Transcripts For CSPAN2 Gov. Larry Hogan R-MD Still Standing 20240712

And chairman of the National Governors Association Larry hogan. Governor hogan was sworn in as the 62nd governor of the state state of maryland on january 21, 2015. In 2018 he was overwhelming reelected to a second term receiving the most votes of any maryland gubernatorial candidate and becoming only the second republican governor to be reelected in the 242 year history of the state. During the conversation Governor Hogan discusses his brandnew book launches on the date of this Virtual Event entitled Still Standing surviving cancer, riots, a Global Pandemic, and the toxic politics that divide america. Governor hogan originally submitted the book is published on february 1 just before the coronavirus pandemic hit the United States. They delay the publication for two months so he could add five chapters about combating the coronavirus, the economic crisis and dealing with the white house which he said made for more timely and interesting book. We now invite you to enjoy our Virtual Program coming to you from our air force academy oval office with the governor larry hogan and Reagan Foundation Institute Executive director john heubusch. Governor hogan, just absolutely great to have you this afternoon. Great to be with you, thank you. And you conjunction with what a great book. Probably your first but its going to turn out to be your best because theres just some fantastic stores in. Thank you very much. Such an honor to be with today and thank you for saying that. It probably would be my best and may be my worst because will. My only one. Thank you. Im glad you enjoyed it. I hope other people will as well. When i read it right there in the first couple of chapters, the reader is reminded of the fact that you come from a political family. Your father larry hogan, in congress in the 70s, and ran for the senate. I think was, had another major job in maryland. You just come from a pedigree in maryland that was truly important, your background, right . Yeah, thank you for mentioning my dad. Im very proud of him. He served in congress for three terms back in the 70s and gave up a safe seat to run for governor but i learned a lot about Public Service and integrity from my dad. I spent most of my career in the private sector but probably had something to do with my early interest in politics and the reason why i took an interest in getting involved. Your dad is famous for, as you will know, one incredible moment of fame. Him being the first republican member of the house, the first republican i think of the House Judiciary Committee to support the impeachment of president nixon, right . I was in high school at the time and my dad was sitting on that House Judiciary Committee. He was a strong supporter of president nixon, and i got a chance to meet the president and they campaigned together and i think my dad was fond of nixon and thought he did a good job on Foreign Policy, especially with respect to china. He was one of the folks on the Judiciary Committee fighting to make sure that the process was fair, pushing back when he thought the democrats were being too partisan. He fought to make sure that the president could present his own witnesses and present evidence. But he was a former fbi agent and a georgetown lawyer who, after seeing all the evidence, it pained him but he really believed the president had committed impeachable offenses. He was the first republican on the committee to come out and say so. At the time a lot of republicans were awfully mad at him in the white house and his friends in congress and folks, voters in the district, but its the thing he is probably most remembered for, and the thing im most proud of him about because at the courage to stand up and put aside his own political career and put aside Party Loyalty and personal affection to get that he what he thought was right for the country. Runs in the family. Thats a courageous act. Speaking of your dad, one other point i just want to make because i just had to smile about it. I know he ran for the senate in 1982, two years into the reagan presidency. Within some research i found, we have a lot of scripts here that president reagan used to support members and senators running during their campaigns during his white house years. Theres a great script, weve got, governor, well present reagan speaking about your dad. I brought it with me your president reagan said for an advertisement form, we dont need rubberstamps in the senate. What we need are hardworking people with ability and integrity, like larry hogan who are willing to contribute their brains and hard work to building the american future you and i believe in so deeply. I think after the first time i heard that, i dont remember it from back then and the truly incredible. Thanks for digging that up and sharing it with me. I will send you a copy, governor. Now, a lot of people admire Ronald Reagan. You are truly an authentic reagan republican, has to be the case because you have some history that few free to talk about with respect to the president. My dad first got involved in politics in the late 60s when i became interested. I was involved in teenager republicans and college republicans. But when i was coming out of, when i was in college, it was 1976, my dad who was in the house with president gerald ford and who i got a chance to meet come he and his family, my dad was cheering fords campaign for election. My dad had a big part in for becoming the Vice President and then the president because of his role. He was a great man and a great leader but, and i like him, butt i was so enamored with reagan that i in 76 i was at the convention as an alternate delegate. I was just a young kid, and youngest member of the delegation and may be the youngest at the convention on the floor but i was marching around with my reagan signed and my reagan have because i just thought he was such, his positive vision for the future and the way he spoke just reached me in a way that frankly gerald ford didnt. My dad got so angry with me because hes a friend of fords and chairing the campaign and like and what are you doing out there supporting reagan . But i said i really like him. I was a true believer in 76 when he was unsuccessful and then i got involved, i was a chairman of youth for reagan come work in the campaign, was a delegate in 198080 and in 84, and nobody had more of an impact on me or nobodys philosophy was a more interested in then Ronald Reagan. I was comingofage right out of college when he became president , i served on the inaugural committee and was just made him he was the guy who i still look back to end quote all the time and think about this is the kind of leader that i aspire to be. And this is your first book i believe. Some who finished their first book look back on it as a moment of like exhilaration and joy, and some have found the process miserable. Where do you fit in . I enjoyed it. It was a little bit cathartic i guess. I wrote most of the book i won in 2014 as governor of maryland which is not an impossible thing to do. We had the highest percentage of democratic voters of any state in america. I had very little money. No one expected us to win. I was a second republican in 50 years to be elected. And when we pulled that off peoples that you should write a book about how you did that. I said i havent really accomplish anything. I cant write about. Then they went through, after 90 days of being governor arrives in baltimore that we got credited with doing a good job of handling. They said you should write about that experience. And i found this lifethreatening cancer while i was going after five win team. They said you have to talk about this. And then one huge reelection and begin the second governor and 2142 years republican in maryland. You have to write about this. Eventually i got around to it. I finished the book and turn it in february 1 fight for this coronavirus crisis. It took a long time as you know to write the book but i enjoy the process and help people enjoy reading it. I asked the published put on hold. It was supposed to be out almost two months earlier, and they could only delayed until the end of july but the asked me to add, make it more current, some the things going on today with my leadership of the National Governors association and with what is going on with fighting the Global Pandemic and the economic crisis we did with. It makes for more interesting book but it was difficult to get all this done and, of course, were having, we had planned a big book tour around the country now and now were doing all of it virtually as were still dealing with the crisis and because its just impossible to have an in person events these days. Thank you for giving us this opportunity with you for our first event. Happy to. Governor, first congratulations on winning a a tough fight on cancer. Unfortunately ive had the same experience, diagnosed with stage three, different kind of cancer, but just a magnificent accomplishment for you to have been able to fight in the that disease just a few months into your first term as maryland governor. How is it possible for you to fought the fight and run the state at the same time . God bless you. Im glad you made it successfully through your battle. It changed me as a person. It made me realize the things that are important. I met so many incredible people that went through tougher battles than my own. Got to meet their families and see what they go through, and its something im going to be involved in forever, trying to raise awareness and money for organizations and try to fight into a fight cures for these diseases. I had only been governor for five months. We had just won this huge overwhelming upset victory, te biggest one in the country, and then i had my first legislative session after putting together an entire government in an overwhelmingly democratic monopoly state. And we cut taxes for the first time. We balance the budget. We got rid of 5. 1 billion deficit all within the first 90 days and then battled the riots and in 60 days later got hit with this news. I was on my first trade mission to asia and i wasnt feeling really all that well. I had aches and pains and i was a little tired but i didnt think theres anything serious, went to the doctor ended up having doctors come into tonight advance, and aggressive cancer all over my body from my neck to my growing, and it ended up being almost an 18 month total battle 24 hour day chemotherapy. I was dealing with all of that while being governor, a brandnew governor in a very tough state with a lot of things going on. I talk about this experience in my book. I got to meet so many people. I tells time of the some of the stories but my first worry was how do i tell my family. It was fathers day weekend when i i got this diagnosis on a friday. I first thought, ive got to tell my wife and daughters, and my dad who was eating at the time, he was coming over for fathers day dinner at the Governors Mansion and he actually took it harder than anybody. It doesnt matter how old you get. I was to instill his old boy that he couldnt keep out of trouble and protect so he cried the whole time. Then came out come had to announce it to the whole state of maryland. I tried to be very transparent and share it with them. They had just six main people are just put their trust in me, and i had to link to them i was going to continue to try to keep working, and i worked from the hospital bed can continue to try to run the state and came out of it, thank god, stronger than ever. Aside from find the best doctors you can advise, governor, for people going through a similar experience as you did, if you dig deep is there one really important piece of advice that you might give . Well, im a big believer in the power of prayer. I had an awful lot of people praying for me. I think having a positive attitude, i think the mental part of, besides the physical ravages of these diseases, trying to stay positive and focused on getting healthy is important, having a support network. Not just you, but people that care about you. I was lucky enough to have thousands of people across the state that were pulling for me. Not everybody has that. And have an incredible, to try to get the best medical care and attention you can and listen to your doctors. I was lucky because in maryland we have an amazing medical facilities and had great doctors and nurses who were taking care of me. I think people need a support network and they have to stay positive and they will get through it. Yes. Lets talk about another terrible illness for a few minutes that you covered. Some of the final chapters in your book, and obviously thats coronavirus. Out here at the Reagan Library in california, governor, we are still in the state facing a tremendous crisis, the number of cases continues to grow, the number of deaths grow, et cetera. But you all seem to have gotten a good, a better handle on it in maryland. I know its been one heck of a struggle. How have you been able to do that . I dont want to get too overconfident because we do have a pretty good hand of the numbers right now we are not being complacent. This virus is by no means behind us, and i believe we have the potential for this to continue to get worse going into the fall. We are seeing alarming spikes and increases across the country. The virus doesnt recognize state borders, and some people are taking different actions and its affected were the art in the curve and how successful they have been in flattening the curve. Right now our metrics that we are following are trending pretty good. A number of cases is, we have increased testing dramatically. If you test a lot more people, cases are going to go up a little bit that we look at to rates. We look at hospitalization, how many people are filling hospital beds in icu beds and her death rates which are all trending down, but we have got to stay vigilant and on top of this. You saw some states that were relatively in good shape that are just out of control now. We have got to listen to the advice of the Public Health professionals, the epidemiologists and the smart scientists. Weve got to wear masks and social distance and to all those kinds of things. We successfully and safely reopened about 98 of our economy. We reached the peak of the virus about 90 days ago and we now have downward trending numbers but we watch it every single day and if we have to take actions to stop it, we are going to not hesitate to make those decisions. We had to make some very difficult decisions when we had some difficult times back in the early part of this, as did every state in the nation, and i never imagined being in this kind of a position or making the kinds of decisions we had to. Almost every day we were taking decisions, making decisions that had to be made to keep people safe. Sure, sure. This is not inexpensive feet, is it . Meaning, im sure the virus and all 50 50 states has caused rel traffic in the states financial system. How is it going in maryland . The states Financial Systems are really being impacted but it should impacting the economy. Im most concerned about what its doing to all those Small Businesses out there, the unemployment that is skyrocketed in the loss of revenue, all those additional people that we have to help. But because of that, because people are not working and because businesses are suffering and people are not out spending money because it dont feel safe, the revenues to the states are down and in many states revenues are projected to be down as much as 25 for 30 . We are not as bad as some other state but we are going to be really impacted and have to make very tough just fiscal decision in the state about how do we provide more services to more people are really in need with a lot less revenue . Its going to be tough for governors across america. Is it still a sticking point, governor, between the white house and the states governors on whether the will be in federal assistance to help manage impact at the state level . We have differences of opinion sometimes between the governors and the white house. Look, i chair the National Governors association and i work with my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, and have throughout this entire pandemic. Weve had a 40, 41 or 42 calls with all of the nations governors. Many of them with the president and or Vice President and the cabinet. The communication both with the administration and with governors on their own and has been good. The governors have been really good about sharing best practices about whats going on in your state, how have you dealt with this . How is this working . And the federal government has stepped up with respect to the cares act and some funding thats desperately needed to help the people who are unempld and help some of the Small Businesses and help us with certain issues. We are also a little frustrated sometimes were not getting all of the assistance and help that we need. We couldve had a National Testing synergy early on in this process that wouldve been helpful. It was a bit of a 50 states scramble with everybody making things up on their own. I dont want to monday morning quarterback because were still in the middle of this and it will take the federal, state and local government to Work Together to continue to fight this battle but the good news is were all communicating and trying to work through these differences of opinion. I know, governor, the media often times tends to overplay it theres any criticisms or dispute between the governors and the president. You know how that works. You have a long conversation and most of which is fairly productive, and one sentence will get pulled out of their thats blown into the headline. It seems more hostile or negative that it is intended to be, but i would say there has been some friction and has been disagreement but we have also been appreciative for the help that weve gotten. When the president is doing a good job, when the governors agree we certainly recognize that, and when we feel that they are falling short or when there are really needs that the state has, i have been afraid to stand up and tell them fairly directly. I mean, thats my job as the chairman of the governors. Yeah, yeah. You mention National Testing strategy. If there were one single element about the administrations actions during all this, is that the one we use boy, we really should have thought that through better . That wouldve been for help the most hope for the governor . I talk about this in my book about the early stages of this, as i was writing about back in the march, april timeframe, early may. At the early stages had we gotten more aggressive, there were some really smart people in the administration that were aware of what was happening and were giving advice to the white house but i think they were a little bit slow on developing and saying lets leave it up to the states. I appreciate states flexibilities but there were certain things only the federal government had the ability to do, and i think a massive Testing Program early on could have helped us stop the spread at an earlier stage before we had 140,000 deaths and this thing is spiraling out of control in a number of states. I think the messaging while come with great meetings of the Coronavirus Task force, sometimes the president s communication was different than what we were hearing from the rest of the administration is i think the messaging was one of the big problems we had. We are talking about come here we are reagan was such a great communicator, and to think the communication skills fell a little short on this coronavirus approach. Understood. Fair point. Schools, out here in california come around at the reagan, most of the states we got the unfortunate news just last week from our governor, governor newsom, that somebody fall semester is all the published rules are going to need to operate online rather than in person. Have you made a decision in maryland how the schools will operate . Im sure theres a lot of parents concerned about that. Everybody is concerned about how do we, i think that when like to see us get our schools back in schools as quickly as again. Its important to actually have kids back in the classrooms, but we also need to make sure we go about it in a way that safe for the kids and for the teachers. We have made the final decisions yet. The way it works in our state we have an independent state board of education who put out a plan, kind of a framework of the plant about a month ago and they are not getting input from each of our jurisdictions to put a draft together. What we are probably going to see in our state is some flexibility in areas that are impacted and affected differently were some people may be doing more online learning, some people in some type of a hybrid and the other schools that are able to open up. We are going to do it, follow cdc guidance which is an excellent and listen to the Public Health professionals and just try to do everything we can to get kids learning again in a safe way and error on the side of getting kids learning again and then the classrooms but doing it safely. Sure, sure. Theres several chapters in your book, governor, where you talk about, one of the most difficult situations youve had to face with terrible unfortunate circumstance involving ready gray and Baltimore Police and all that, i dont need to tell you. We are saying similar situations like you faced in baltimore occurring in cities throughout the United States today. Thats a result of the tragic killing of george floyd. What lessons did you learn in tackling the situation in baltimore, and you do want to monday morning quarterback, but is there advice you would be giving of the governors now facing the situation in their own states . Yeah i think there are a lot of parallels and as i mentioned i finished most of this book on february 1 to put on hold. I had no idea at the time when i wrote this five chapters about the rights in baltimore how much of a parallel there would be, whats going on now. But ive been governor just 89 days when worst violence in 47 years broke out in our largest city of baltimore. In the first, just the first few hours, this was after the death of freddie gray in the very beginnings of the black lives matter movement, just after ferguson, but in the first few hours violence and destruction broke out in baltimore. We had 400 businesses earned and looted and destroyed. 127 lease and firefighters work injured and hospitalized. The Cities Police force was overwhelmed and the citizens of baltimore are crying out for somebody to come in and to try to keep them safe. I ended up within a matter of hours calling a state of emergency, send in more than 1000 Police Officers and 4000 members of the National Guard to try to bring in call to the citizens of baltimore. Piece and calm. We did in a way to allow peaceful protest to take place for a solid week. There were people expressing legitimate frustrations. We did not want to aggressively move against those protesters to further inflame the situation, we stopped and did not allow any more violence or destruction after that first night. We did it very successfully. I think we got praise across the country for that. The people of baltimore appreciated it which was important. They felt like things are going to be okay and we lowered the temperature. I think thats part of the problem today. There are two things going on. One, cities are not handling the kind of violence and destruction. They are allowing it to take place. Two, weakness of response, and then in some cases we have, say, in portland where theres, this is going on for months of destruction and then the federal response, this complaints about to aggressive and it is further inflating. I actually taught a course of the National Governors association about how to handle a crisis like this. I quote Ronald Reagan in that i learned from him peace through strength, and i think youve got to send in enough manpower to keep people safe to stop the violence and destruction but not go in in a heavyhanded tactic thats going to make the situation worse. Thats we successfully did in 2015, and i will say this time as he saw from some peaceful protesting across america, we also saw some really bad situation many of our major cities. Baltimore we didnt have those problems this time around. I was very proud of the citizens and the police force in the way it was handled this time. Its a result of what happened in 2015. Im glad i asked the question. Just a followup. How about advice i present you want to give the same advice to the mayors. Weve had some hesitancy, this interest in letting people blow off steam. It causes an enormous problem, does it not, for the mayors of themselves, for the governors of the states . It just seems completely irrational to allow this kind of violence to occur rather than get right on top if it. Absolutely agree and i talk about this in the book and it is exactly what happened in early hours of the situation in baltimore in 2015 where the mayor, the then mayor of baltimore was ordering the police to stand down come to not respond, and she actually went on television and said she is going to give these protesters room to destroy. She was not going to step in. I couldnt believe, ive never seen a response like that come just let them continue to destroy the city. I said were not going to give them room to destroy. Would bring in 5000 people to stop them from destroying the city, and thats exactly what happened. Well done. I saw from the book, governor, some pretty Difficult Conversations to defend yourself between yourself and the mayor. I think people will find an inside view of kind of what its like to go through that, maybe some of these mayors and governors that are dealing with that now ought to take a quick read, at least those few chapters. They might find it helpful. I think youre right, i do. Another important issue in maryland i know, its important in virginia where i grew up is our dear, dear Chesapeake Bay. How are things going, governor, for the bay and is it maintaining a kind of attitude thats keeping it clean and vibrant . How is that they doing . Im glad you asked that because sometimes people automatically assume, you hear this republicans are sometimes tainted with this tag that we t care about the environment and democrats are automatically supposed to be better for the environment. I know my predecessor in the previous governor like to play news doing good things for the Chesapeake Bay but weve actually been able to invest more in protecting the bay and preserve through program openspace morland to keep runoff from going on. We did in a more efficient more effective way. The health of the Chesapeake Bay is the bay is not clear that it is been in recorded history, and thats after almost six years of real solid effort on a partner i couldnt be more proud of the team in maryland. Weve been working on these clean water issues and the Chesapeake Bay is a a National Treasure and it so important to the region but really the country. Its a model for how you can go about cleaning up the environment without killing business in the meantime. Its the heart of marylands business activity, right . If its not clean going well, it will be difficult for people to make a living. And we had some great craps in that they as you know as a virginian. Cross over maryland once but how are craps doing this year . Really well. Ive tested them out and sampled them personally. Mikes crap house. Exactly. Crab house. Lets talk about another difficult issue for maryland that you cover in your book thats been played in all 50 states, and thats the opioid crisis. Tell me, how difficult has that battle been in maryland, and would use it in the fight . Its a really very difficult battle and one weve been wrestling with for a while. When i was running for governor in 2014 it was not something that most people were that focus on. And i can tell you i was traveling around. Our state is pretty diverse and we have very rural areas and some pretty urban core and suburban areas. We like american miniature, we have a little bit of everything. Everywhere i traveled around the state of a go into these immunities and sit down with leaders in the area and say whats the number one problem facing your community here . And every single instance they said opioids. I was shocked. This is not just in the city of baltimore. It was in rich wealthy suburban counties like montgomery county, what are the richest counties in america outside of washington. It was in very rural agriculture communities, smalltown. I was shocked. I didnt know at that point, now we are very aware of it, but so i focus on this. As soon as i i put my Lieutenant Governor Boyd Rutherford in charge of a task force focused on opioid addiction. We came up with a number of suggestions and passed that piece of legislation to enact all of it. We attack it from every direction because its tearing apart families and communities in one end of the country to the other. Its killing people and it is costing us lives and money and focus, and it is just ravaging the country. Weve gone after it with everything we have got. We have made some strides and stop the explosive growth but its a tough one to get a handle of its its kind of like this coronavirus. You fix one part of it and another one pops up. Its looking like whackamole but its not growing at the rate it used to be but we havent stepped it up fentanyl is very dangerous drug. We got part of it under control and then this fentanyl came in from china which is more deadly. Yeah, yeah absolutely. Nga, attribute, governor, that you are chosen to be the head of the National Governors association. Tell me, hows that job been for you . I know it can be, i bet you it is helpful to you as a governor in maryland you get to see a good crosssection of issues occurring in other states, maybe take best practices or ideas from them. Tell me about your chairmanship. Do you think its been an advantage for you as governor . Yeah, sure. When i first was elected i went to what i call may be Governor School but he called the seminar for new governors. I met some governors from across the country and i was really impressed white away at the National Governors association about how people got along. Ive been very involved in this organization now for almost six years, been on the executive committee and i was very honored my colleagues unanimously chose me to lead them. I started out in my position last july with, you get to pick cheer as initiate and a started an initiative on rebuilding americas infrastructure. We were doing this all around the country and making great progress, and its still an important issue were focused on. On. But then this coronavirus broke out which made i think the Governors Association even more important and more relevant than ever. I mentioned earlier we had 40 some calls, peter conference with the governors. That hasnt happened in the past 20, 30 years combined and weve done in a few months. The cooperation and collaboration between the governors has been amazing frankly, and i couldnt be frankly more proud of all of the governors really on both sides of the aisle for the way they stepped up in this crisis. And the National Governors association which many people probably didnt even know existed and havent paid much attention to, and in some cases hasnt been that relevant, i think has taken on a whole new relevancy. Its been a lot of work and its taken a lot of time and effort but i think its been worth it. I think we really have led during this crisis, and so it was an opportunity during a time when america and our states needed someone to step up come for the governors to step up and i was happy to be able to leave a governors during this time. Governor, what is it about the environment, the dynamic in the National Governors association, at least in your experience, that its actually probably one of the most productive bipartisan groups and america thats getting something done. I wonder if theres some way we can borrow or steal from that model . I sure would like to get folks in washington and congress to follow that model. I talk about that him about a little bit because most people in america are somewhat frustrated with the divisiveness and dysfunction were nobody can you think that and nobody gets along and as such a personal battle back and forth. Wasnt always this bad i dont think in congress, but the governors are different and unique. Talk about governor reagan and his leadership, a lot of governors have been successful and become president. But the governors are sort of ceos who have two govern their states every single day. They are running a government, they are like president s of a smaller, you know, operation but in the executive branch. We are not in direct competition with one another. In congress are fighting everyday in committee, fighti. State legislatures youre trying to the dispersal of that person. The governors, im not in competition with my fellow governors. We sit down and say, how are you dealing with this problem . Its almost as if there are 50 ceos of companies sitting around saying what can we do to do a better job of growing our business is . We have to provide the same kinds of services and get up everyday to make sure our states are functioning and providing all the services. Governors for the most part we disagree on issues dont get me wrong, we are not in competition and were not out there wearing blue jerseys and red jerseys every day. Yeah, yeah. So this was my way of getting you to start the conversation with you about the presidency, not necessarily the president s of these smaller states but the presidency of the United States. And i know last year you, perhaps it was your experience at the nj, but you got a look at the whole nation. I think he traveled to new hampshire. You thought about maybe a role for a run for you someday come is that right . Its not exactly right. I didnt really think about it too much or too hard but there were a lot of people come after i was reelected in the worst possible year, in the deep blue state with a blue wave when we lost the congress and we lost many city governors and five open governor races, lost state legislative bodies across the country. I was overwhelmingly reelected in a landslide, and second republican 242 years to do so in my state. People started saying hey, how do you do that . How do you appeal to reagans theory of bigger tent . And reagan democrats but i was able to get democrats and independents to swing over and vote we have done well with suburban women and minority of things we are not doing as a party. People started would you consider how about this . I know theres a lot of talk about that but but i never put together any real effort to move in that direction, and now that i put this book up is been about speculative he mustve written but because you are concerned about 2024. 2024. I think its far too early. I think to talk about that. I have great job as governor of maryland until january 2023. Im in im in the middle of twin crises of dealing with the economic crisis, the Global Pandemic. Im going to try to stay focused on that, but i do want to be a part of the future discussion about where we go as the Republican Party. Ive been active in the party my whole life, since i get so excited about Ronald Reagan especially. Im concerned about the fact we are not listening to that advice that reagan gave. We dont have that hopeful, positive message invision thats attracting more people and growing that bigger tent. I want to be at least a part of that discussion. Im not as concerned. I dont care so much about what my future is in the Republican Party but im really concerned about having a future for the Republican Party. Because us winning election to be able to win over and get things done and the continuation of part in the twoparty system is critical that we have to win elections own order to do that. We have plenty of time to talk about that over the next four years. Went to see what happens in november. But i think the party will take a hard look after november about what were going to do and be in the future whether to continue in the direction we are heading or whether were going to perhaps back and look at some of the lessons of what weve accomplished in maryland, but also how Ronald Reagan was able to revive the party after watergate. We started the conversation then and after next and what he said was the death of the party and we came back pretty strong. Thats right. This topic youre just taken us through, governor, in my mind, its fascinating i think theres going to be a moment, right, where, whether trump is reelected or not theres going to get a moment when the party, trump is not the the president d the party will have to ask itself some difficult questions. Thats a great way to sum it up and we are going to have thatdiscussion regardless of what happens in november either way. The party has got to take a look at where we are heading and what we stand for and how were going to continue to build a winning coalition. I think its critically important if were going to have thosediscussions. In just a few months. Like it or not if you got drafted into the role, you know im talking completely hypothetically but some for me if you would how would larry hogan presidency differ from the Trump Presidency . Are there some key differences you put your finger on to say i do this this and this difference . If you look at how weve been able to be successful in maryland i would say a lot of it has to do with the fact that what ive been really focused on and its a lot like what iadmired about president reagan. President reagan, he really stood up for the things he believed in but he also was willing to sit down and reach out to the other side. He had a great relationship with tip oneill. They gotgreat things done together. They found that Common Ground where they can reach agreement. I think thats whats missing today. I tried to avoid the extremes of either party and the divisive rhetoric and ive had to out of necessityin my state. The percent of my legislature are liberal democrats but weve had tremendous success and gotten things done because i dont try to demonize the other side. I tried to listen to where they are and move our ideas forward and im a big believer in compromise is not a dirty word and that we ought to be, i think what most people are looking for are just Common Sense Bipartisan Solutions and i think theres a bigchunk of america thats just frustrated with the whole political system right now. I love the fact that reagan brought people together across party lines and had a hopeful, positive vision and stood up for the principles he believed in but was willing to reach out. I dont remember the exact quote but it was something about 80 percent , you know the court im sure. 80 percent of the lobo bread is better than nothing. He got things done and sometimes i just being so strident, i think youre more effective. I know ive gotten a lot more done by working together and trying to find a way we can reach agreements. Well said, governor. Let me say governor its been a real pleasure to talk toyou today. And the book, it hits the standsnext week or is it actually out this week . When being published . Coming out next week and i hope people will enjoy it. I enjoyed writing it and i and i am glad you enjoyed readingit. Im sorry we were not able to do it in person. I was so excited about being there but i think this is probably the same as way to do it and hopefully even more people will get a chance to watch your online and so thank you. Know that when we got the vaccine and we got this virus behind us , consider it an open invitation for you to come out and speak here at the Reagan Library and i hope that happens because while i might have grown up in the delmarva area, the impression one has from afar of this republican governor larry hogan is that they find in the media is really your book, youre so much more different than that. That you have as you said youre a reagan republican shines through in this book and i hope people if they want to understand you will take a read of it. Like you so much, i appreciated. Take care of yourself, governor. Thank you. When you read the things that were said about thomas jefferson, that he was an infidel and an agent of the french government, sound a little reminiscent,doesnt it . Things that about abraham lincoln, the things said about fdr that he wantedto be a dictator. It does kind of come with the territory but i think in trumps case at least in the modern political era, postworld war ii ive never seen anything like it. Today at noon on indepth our life to our conversation with author and faith and Freedom Coalition found around three books include awakening , act of faith in his most recent for god and country. Join in the conversation with your phone calls, comments, text and tweets. What indepth today at noon eastern oncspan2. During a Virtual Event council on Foreign Relations president richard haas talked about the state of the world and the Foreign Policy ranges facing the United States. Heres a portion of that discussion. I think the pandemic tells us first and foremost is the world matters and that perhaps an obvious thing or a member of the council on Foreign Relations but i dont think its an obvious thing for everybody. The world matters. What happens around the world doesnt stay there and in this case it was a small city in china and will onwhere a virus broke out. Worse, openly spread throughout china and spread to the world and other nations around the world. On 911 it was terrorists trained in afghanistan. Other various times it was what weve seen with Climate Change coming from everywhere. A financial contagion from this or that country so what this should tell us is the two oceans, the atlantic and pacific are not moats. Theres no drawbridge the polo. Summer entity whateverelse it is is not the same thing as security. We are affected by what happens in the world. In turn what we do affects the world and i think theres a loop but the most Important Message to take is the world matters and isolationism, then ill, sticking our heads in the sand, whatever else you want to call it is not a serious survival strategy. Talk at length about the interconnectedness of the globe and interdependence. How has the american response to this Global Crisis reflected some of the things that youbring up . The notable absence of the us and the european convening to tackle the vaccine for covid19. This is not been a good experience or demonstration of us connectedness to the world but it begins with the fact that globalization is many things but its not a choice. How we respond to it is a choice but globalization is a reality and as you say we chose not to participate in the european effort to pool resources, intellectual and financial to work towards a vaccine. It seems to me that probably reduces the chance after it will succeed or succeed quickly but it also means if it were to succeed we be very hardpressed to make the argument that we ought to be towards the front of the queue and i think a lot of europeans would say you werent there when we needed you. Now suddenly uniqueness, why should we favor you over others . I also think even more was probably hurt us has been the example we set. Its an important part of what Foreign Policy is about is not what diplomats say or do, whats important does those things are, if the example we set. Of functioning and vibrancy of our democracy when we have equality for all americans. When our economy rose at a healthy clip or in this case how we respond to a foreign challenge and no one around the world i think its up in the morning and says i want to do this just like america. I respect all they are doing it. Inconceivable that that sentiment is being expressed. To watch the rest of this Program Visit our website booktv. Org and search Richard Hosler the title of his book, the world. Next, young adult author deborah while chronicles the fatal shootings by the National Guard and an antiwar protest at Kent State University on may 4, 1970. And then for political innovation founder catherine gale and Harvard University professor Michael Porter offer their strategies for improving how the american political system works and later edward ball looks at White Supremacy for the lens of his greatgrandfather, a member of the ku klux klan in louisiana in the years after the civil war and you can find more information on your Program Guide or visit booktv. Org. Like you so much and it so great to be here with debbie. Not here here, i wish i was there. All of us are in the same spot but in lieu of that its great to be able to do this and thank you all for joining us as we are having this chat. Again, we were planning this tour i cant wait to do appearances so we can have these conversations again. This is not anything that we ever would have imagined when wee