The board of the temple. If youd like to submit a question please do so using the zoom chart function. I want to but everybody in the chat function we will put a link for you to purchase the copy of the book if you care to do so. Lets begin. Ladies and gentlemen, mr. John stryker. He seems to have disappeared from the building. Go with your part part its okay. Okay. Go ahead. Thank you very much gady, and thank you, even though we cant syndicators and to all of you for being with us this evening. It is my honor to introduce to nights extraordinary guest, two men whose voices have so much public understanding and debate. Both in europe and in the United States about who we are, where we have been and where we are going. Bernardhenri levy is one of the most inflectional influential people of our time. He also likes over the european left with totalitarianism. His unique combination of writing underground activism and support for democratic rights has never wavered. Beginning with his reporting and presence on the battlefield during the liberation in bangladesh in 1971, continuing afghanistan, the living war, israel and more. Today after over 30 published works of philosophy, political essays, fiction and theater, hundreds of articles and opposites, documentary films and a new series of articles from the frontlines in somalia, syria, ukraine and more since 2019. Bernardhenri has turned his mind to the moment we are currently enduring. Returning to the concept of the medical days, he asked that we think critically and defend Human Society from potentially catastrophic threats to our collective future. Since the publication earlier this spring i have to say that i have been awaiting translation into english. The virus in the age of madnesa crucial if not vital reflection on the multiple meanings of a lockdown. The more perverse and dangerous pitfalls of what also means to confine ones thinking and ones gaze towards the other. Yes, to be safe and responsible but no to the confinement of our minds. Tonight, he will discuss with Thomas Friedman, whatever americas leaders leading newspaper called mr. Mr. Friedman began reporting to the New York Times in 1991. He served as the brute. You, the Jerusalem Bureau chief, diplomatic correspondent, International Economic correspondent, and since 1995 his Foreign Affairs columnist. The recipients of three pulitzer prize, Thomas Friedman is the author of seven New York Times bestselling books. Its great to have you back, mr. Friedman. It is such a pleasure to welcome you both at the streicker center. Mr. Thomas friedman and mr. Bernard henri levy. Thank thank you, masha. Thank you. Its so great to be with you. The timing of your book and this conversation couldnt be better. Im seeing the participants climbing as we sit here and thats a great credit to you and the number of people who want to share your insights. I thought maybe we would begin by just asking you to summarize what, take, five, seven minutes as you like and maybe come back with my own take on the pandemic, and then lets iterate back and forth and see if we can drill down to a real vein of understanding for all our listeners here. Bernard, over to you. Thanks. Great pleasure and grateful to have a discussion with you. For me its a treat. Im very happy of this occasion. To make a summary is difficult but what do i mean by the title . Lets start this way. Which is translated in a slightly different way than american, the virus in the age of madness in french i said this a virus that makes us mad. There are two sorts of madness created by this virus. The first one on which we will agree you in the and i will not insist of lot, is those who deny the virus. Those who dont want to see the virus, those who put a mask on the reality, and who fall into like children in the sandbox, seeing their toy which is their reelection sparkled, and are just act in crazy, stupid, and criminal way. Meaning with all the respect due to your country, meaning your president , some of his entourage, some of his and others, both in brazil and many others. This this is a way to be mad ano react with madness to this pandemic. On this im sure we will agree so i will not spend seven minutes on that. There is another way to be mad, which is the way we react to this pandemic. You have of course a lot of people who react an act with cold blood, with wisdom, for sure. But you have also a pandemic of hysteria or of of the world and of selfishness. I believe, for example, that the way we gave, we are giving our to the doctors who dont wish it by the way, who dont wish so much, is a reaction of, as if we were lost, and when you are lost you act in a sort of rather crazy way. Too much. The doctors know they have to be respected, but they are not gods and their knowledge is not if we consider it as such, it is this is a way to be mad. Another way to be mad is to consider i tried to listen to the world. My job, my speciality, job one is ideas, it is world, it is that people express. In some of the sentences which spread in our world, i cannot help hearing something which bothers me. For example, social distancing. Of course it is necessary. Of course we have to accept it for a while. I dont know if it will be months, it will be a year, if it will be a few years, for sure. But for myself i accept as a terrible and sad obligation. I accepted as a sorrow, but what i see in europe and maybe in america is a lot of people accepting it as a sort of new normal state of things. As for myself and you and a lot of those who most of the followers of temple emmanuelle, we spend our lives fighting social distancing. Social distance is precisely what were fighting against, most of us in this we are in a moment of our destiny that we think we can really get read of the tragic. We can really get rid of the past of the inevitable loss, lack, whatever you call it which is a new destiny and the end of the process you have the idea that you can triumph again, that you can win against death itself. You can start to get a new humanity where we will be as gods as a famous french writer said. And which will get rid of all possible division. To get rid of tragedy, to get rid, to put tragedy far from us means more than you means this dream of unity, getting rid of these past insects and its dangerous to enter into this pact but alas, the experience, the wisest tell us that if we go too far in this optimist and antitragic dream, if we really cross the idea, if we decide to raise it as a computer program, we get much worse harm than the one we thought we arranged so on one side we consider the rise sacred and on the other side we feed the dream of the humanity, getting rid of that which might be a way of creating much damage that we will avoid. This is what change we will actually have to begin its one of the most interesting points in your book and its a good place for us to segue maybe to let me share with you my perspective because its the point where we meet but i get there from a very different route. You come at it through a very philosophical perspective and i would say a european one and i get there, i got this through adifferent way. Actually by looking at Natural Systems and so your book is just such a wonderful framing of perspective of a philosopher on this issue and i come at the pandemic from the perspective of an environmentalist. And but were going to end at thesame place. So let me share with you just in brief i got to the same conclusion. My daughter natalie is the executive producer of all Things Considered weekend on National Public radio so i never miss a show at Easter Sunday they did around the of pastors sermons from around the country. At the height of the pandemic and my favorite was pastor Michael Curry from the National Cathedral who ended his easter sermon by singing a little song. He has got the whole world in his hands. [singing] hes got the whole wideworld, in his hands. Hes got the whole world in his hands, hes got the whole world in his hands. Now if you just substitute she forced me, youll know where i startwith the pandemic. She got the whole world in her hands. This is the first time for our generation of human species that we have all at the same time simultaneously and in the grip of Mother Nature. Unless youre 103 and were here in 1918 this is basically the first time all of us have been in the grip of what i call one of Mother Natures fastballs so to put it in american baseball terms, Mother Nature throws pitches at us, she throws fastballs at us. Theyre called germs and viruses. Theyre called hurricanes and tornadoes and fires and floods and forest fires. Theyre all the things she throws at us to sort out the finished. Who shall get their dna into the next generation . And who shall not. Now, when Mother Nature throws her fastballs at us she actually doesnt reward the strongest. She doesnt reward the smartest. She only rewards the most adapted. Atsushi rewards. Thats what darwin taught us and she actually only rewards three adaptations strategies. She basically asks every individual, every collective three questions. First of all, are you humble . Do you respect my virus because if you dont i will hurt you or someone you love. Second she asks are you coordinated in your response to my virus . Because i have refined my virus over millennia to find any cracks in your individual immune system and collective immune system and lastly she asks is your adaptation strategy based on chemistry, biologyand physics alone. Because if theyre built on politics, ideology and elections, not chemistry biology and physics, i will hurt you or someone you love because i, Mother Nature, im just chemistry, biology and physics. You cant talk me down. You cant talk Mother Nature out of a bad recession, i will do whatever chemistry biologyand physics dictate and only that and to put it again in american baseball terms i always last and i always bet thousand. I havent lost a dual in 4. 8 billion years. So that is where i start and its actually where my tragic sensibility comes from. Because when youre up against mothernature , tradeoffs are always built into the scenario. They areinevitable. So to me, the key mistake that we made in america and our president made, i dont mean to turn this intoa trump bashing session. Weall know what he is. Trumps great failure and one of many but the sense of one is he does not look atthe world through Natural Systems. He only looks at the world through markets. His only experience with Natural Systems is building golf courses where he believes he could actually triumph over nature. If you would actually build waterfalls, the famous building waterfalls on his golf course so he thought he could triumph over nature. You may recall early in the pandemic, he did a disastrous speech, the market went down a Record Number of points and the next day he changed policy, amended it and the market went up a Record Number of points. He took a screenshot of the market rise and he sent it to a man named lou dobbs who is on foxBusiness News and that knucklehead showed it. Trump autographed that draft of the market going up and lou dobbs, that knucklehead showed it on the evening Business News of fox tv. While they were doing that, the two of them, Mother Nature was silently, inexorably, and mercilessly spreading coronavirus from coast to coast. So the central challenge and this gets to me to the core of your tragic point but im going to come at it through nature is from the very beginning, we had to have a twopronged policy, the right policy from the very beginning was how do we maximize saving lives and livelihood. In a pandemic where you are up against Mother Nature. I had to try to maximize lives and livelihood because if you lockdown everything and across the economy, so many more people will die over time depths of despair from lost jobs and homes and businesses and hope. Then will ever die from covid19 so the challenge is how do you do both. We saw three basic models around the world in that and ill end with this. We saw the chinese model. The chinese model is to use the state surveillance system. People violence so they were her using the state surveillance apparatus to test track and trace and quarantine people with the virus. We had democratic varianceof that. France had one, singapore, hong kong, north korea, germany. Theyre all were democratic variance on that and depending on the culture and efficiency of the government some work to better and some worked less well read the second model was the swedish model. The swedish model said were going to balance lives and livelihood by keeping part of the economy open, part of the School System open and we will encourage social distancing but we will actually go for herd immunity so the chinese wanted to crush the virus , the swedes said lets actually do it by letting the young and healthy out, acquire the virus, overcome it and will get natural herd immunity and the last model is theamerican model. Which was to talk like we were doing likechina. To act right we were doing like sweden, to prepare for neither to claim to be superior to both. That basically is the trump strategy. And its given us this incredible mess now where we are neither maximizing lives nor livelihood. So thats how i come to the tragic sensibility that you arrived at, but is coming there through the route of looking at the problem as a Natural Systems problem and what happens when youre up against Mother Nature. Okay. Again, its very interesting. We reach the same point and we start from a different source. About trump and the states of america i would love that one of us is too optimistic but we agree 100 percent and this for me eight european who believes so much in the america which is heartbreaking. It is a great source as i often say, i belong to this category of europeans who would not even be alive without the americans, the american sacrifices and American Values and to see america in this state where it is today is just catastrophic. I want to elaborate on a brilliant you made that we are from a european point of view are saying are almost back to a three Christopher Columbus point. We europeans for the first time in ages, we dont expect anything from america. Just before you had antiamericans, you had real americans but at least americans, america was on the table. America was the object of fascination , of love, of hate. It was innocent out of the gate and in europe no expectation for america. Or the rest of the world and especially for new dictators of this new imperialist power like new ottoman empire, like russia,like china. Like iran and curtis dan. They are moving and tapping in as if america did not exist. This is what i mean by three columbus world. And that is what is unthinkable a few yearsago. The wealth of america does not count although its possible america is not taken into consideration and this is not on the side but dangerous for america so we agree on that. We agree on all that you said. Im going to stress on that by agreeing. You said what Mother Nature was asking us at the beginning. I agree with all these questions. But there are also questions which Mother Nature addresses to us since the beginning of this pandemic. Mother nature asks also do you have a home . Stayathome. This is amodel. But do you have a proper home. Do you have a place in which you can stay and Mother Nature knows that there is a huge difference between having a house in which you can stay duringthe pandemic. And to be homeless. Mother nature asks do you have some money aside with which you spare money, with which you can hold on for months or years or are you a daily worker in bangladesh who just will be, will disappear, will die from hunger if there is one week without work . Mother nature asks do you have, do you belong to a Healthcare Network which allows you to go to hospital when you feel symptoms or dont you and do you have some form of your little home into an annex of the hospital . You have to be condemned to hospitalization, to a incoming hospital of your own home which is quite another thing. Mother nature asks do you have the chance, are you lucky enough to be born . Nevertheless in spite of what i said in america or in europe which democratic countries or where at least you are the society who protects when the president is too much crazy or do you belong to a country eliminated by a dictator and where the government is used as an argument, locking down people in the old sense of the world which means despot. Mother nature asks these questions also and Mother Nature acts in complicity and acts as the main actor of social darwinism. Mother nature makes the separation between the lucky who survive and the unlucky who are dead. So how have we to react to these questions of Mother Nature . We have to react and this is my point. We have to react by another dose of intelligence and knowledge. You have to be much more sophisticated, intelligent than her. We have to be more wise than she is. We have to connect all possible models available for example, to find a vaccine, we have to match the level that is using theland in sweden , in america, in south africa and so we have to declare a sort of scientific emergency where all women and men of goodwill connect and work handinhand in order to reply to the challenge of Mother Nature. We have to have Mother Nature act in a way as not very differently than the terrorists. She troops blindly and not exactly blindly the weakest as i said, those who have health care and so on area so we have to ask exactly as we do when we are stricken by terrorism. Remember after the center, the good move was to say we are italy but we remain faithfulto our values. Dont accept this moment of inept see to have as a consequence, to forget our values. These are very important. Remember, the good reaction to these blind questions addressed by Mother Nature is to remain more than ever faithful to our 30. The creed for example that the other one is more important than myself. The creed that the life of a lady in bangladesh is as important as the life of a student in Yale University which allows me to publish my book and so on. These are the values on which we have to keep faithful more than ever. Because Mother Nature is eliminating these values, we have to cherish them more than ever and one of the values we have to cherish is the values of what we have called the sins of a few centuries, humanism and what is humanism . It is in a way or another accepted on earth but to prevail over Mother Nature. To be stronger than she is. To accept her but to add to Mother Nature this part of sophistication, intelligence , spirit which only humanity owns. And this by the way we are speaking of the hospitality of temperament, this is the jewish wisdom. The jewish wisdom just can can fit in from the start to today to say for ages, Mother Nature did dictate how low, we are going to respect her until we decide that if we respect her too much and that there is something that defaults which is god, which is the rose of noah, whatever you call that but something which only the human being can produce and which has to be stronger. Not building gods of course but saying for example that to save a body is not enough if we are not able also to save the spirit and the values which are the reason why andthis is one of the chapters of my book. The talmud says so often that the best doctors will go to hell. This is a very strange saying of the talmud. It says doctors who will perish in hell because they treat the body, they treat the human being as a body area the body as a beastof Mother Nature. Reduced to Mother Nature and they forget this sort of strife of life which makes a woman a woman. A man a man and mankind mankind. So this is our difference. I think. Im not sure its a difference. You describe what falls under my category you have to be coordinated in your response and one reason is covid one did not become the pandemic it did because the southeast countries and america were coordinated in ways they are today. Art of coordination is also providing a safety net for the most disadvantaged. I think the big question that will come out of this, one of the things that weve learned most from this crisis is that it was actually the people at the bottom of the pyramid, the socalled bottom of the. Did who have been the First Responders saving us in this crisis unlike 9 11, that is to say obviously the doctors and nurses andhealthcare workers, they are the true First Responders but the people stocking thegrocery shelves , loading the trucks , working in those Grocery Stores every day for minimum or near minimum wage, probably living in conditions that they cant social distance in, probably having minimal if no healthcare, the real question is after this pandemic is over that we will understand that what we are doing in an emergency now, what we are doing to help them in amazon, giving them raises and whatnot in the moment, how do we make that permanent . How do we understand the value that theyve been bringing . All of that falls under my category of being coordinated because coordinated doesnt just mean that we cooperate. Coordinated means youre elevating and protecting the people doing the most to protect you. You raise an interesting question about a lockdown being used. By the bonds and by the present these and these new sort of authoritarian populists. Talk about a little of that from a european perspective. Thats something americans might not be so aware of. How do erdogans and orbans and who didnt usethis crisis to reinforce their authoritarian politics . Im going to come to that but just a minute in your defense. About those indivisible, individuals who did hold on to the rest of theworld during the pandemic. I completely agree on that. They were really supporting the roof of the earth and the global. On their modest and humble hands and again, there is a great, this called time bulletin, it is a masterpiece we first called the forestall of the life that said the world was sustained, supported, held by the most humble who were in his approach those who studied it. By the study, by maneuvering the world, you prevented the world from the creating itself. Today those who prevent the world from the creation, that means the creation and that the creator, those who prevent the world from the creation are these workers, these glories and so on. This is i agree so much on that and the more we can be aware of that, the better. As for those who take advantage of the pandemic , it is europe for sure. Victor orban i happen to know him. I met him 30 years ago. The main difference between the younger orban and the older orban is the younger orban cared about life. The orban of today doesnt give a ship about the life of the migrant or the life of what he considers and old bulgarian but it takes this pandemic for him is a divine surprise as in the french fascist said in 1940, the divine surprise. It is the sense of god, he says god is spring into his ear and allowing him allowing him to make more heavy his grief, and and his first instinct was to take advantage of the situation in order to declare himself president or maybe the restof his life. And you have even more out of europe, you have some countries like for example in nigeria. A country which i happento know a little. I was there recently. In nigeria, now it is wrong but in mid april this has to be fact checked but you had frankly on your comparable number of dead from covid and from police, Nigerian Police taking advantage of the covid to shoot people for example when they were starving. And another example of that which is so sad, it happens again that just after the end of the french containment i went to the greek island which is the island of lesbos. Lesbos is a place where a lot of refugees from sudan and from doctor eri. When they tried to reachyour. And they are locked down. And there is a camp in a post which is organized for 2000 maximum people and who helped 20,000. And what is so despicable and horrible is that the greek government that is a democraticgovernment for sure , one of the first things he did was to decrease a lockdown from this huge camp of 20,000 people of lesbos. They are really in jail. It was decided that nobody could step out. The topic became an argument to implement what was the dream of a lot of people probably which was to lock complicated people in the camp and one month ago i made a story, a few weeks ago about that. It is no longer h camp. It is not even a jail, it is a hell and this is an example of what you are saying. Of the way in which the way in which some democratic powers, greek is a great democracy. It is the start of democratics but the way in which the virus is instrumental lies in order to take some really unfair and not criminal but undemocratic , on humanistic decisions. This is another example, the most frightening of all and i spent two or three days in this camp and there was a fight to see how Mother Nature was taken hostage by a democratic government in order to implement the common plan of europe hypocrisy and erdogan with bribing decided to implement regarding the refugees who are now the common enemy of the first which is a disaster cause it brings so much to europe. Now they are considered as outlaws and covid hopes that. The big question that im pondering here of course is how much of the madness weve seen in our country will be with us if and when donald trump is no longer president . God willing. I wrote today about what is probably for me the most of a long list of disturbing things that have been evidenced by this pandemic, disturbing behaviors in america and for me it really comes down to the politicization of the facemask. The idea that. I read your text. Very facemask would be a cultural marker, a political statement. And a society that can politicize a facemask, it might as well be a seatbelt. A society that can politicize that can politicize anything. Physics, rainfall, it can politicize anything. And one of the most disturbing features of the last not just 3 and a half years but even before is the inability that weve lost what my friend rena gorgas calls our cognitive immunity. We havent just lost our physical immunity. Weve lost our cognitive immunity. Our ability to embrace and act on it shared truth. Weve lost our cognitive immunity to social networks attacking them, foreign powers attacking it. A president defrauding anything hedoesnt like as fake news. And the loss of our cognitive immunity on the eve of this pandemic has only made the pandemic worse. So we cannot agree on again, the facts of whether therapy is even effective ornot. And we cannot agree on certain just fundamental principles of like a facemask. I find that deeply threatening to our democracy whether jo bidens president or donald trump is president. Certainly i prefer joe biden. I know you will fuel that fire im curious because one of the things that strikes me is that no one else in the world is behaving this way. No one else is politicizing facemasks at the scale that we are doing. From your perspective, what the hell happened to us . Trump. If you had a proper issue, if you had a president able to give the example and consider as a possible example it wouldnt have happened because to be very clear, as for myself, i obey. I did wear the mask during the peak of the pandemic and in the places it is required, i am 100 percent disciplined but i feel it as a disagreement. I know that if we met, you and me with masks, it would be a full humanrelationship. I know we speak you and me and all of us with our eyes but also with our mats, with your mustache, you know, all of that belongs, a face means so much had a face is such an ethical reality that it is true that to bear a mask is a sort of sacrifice area it is a sacrifice. There are also moments where you have to make some sacrifices. I did a sacrifice but what you lack in america is what is required in times of great sacrifices which is a leader who says it will take some time. It will not be forever but for the moment you have to area even if it is hot. Even if you breathe a little less red even if those who feel bad, even worse when you speak, you have to do it. What you lack is a leader. And what we had is a president who has probably something maybe going wrong but at least he is considered by the french people as a plausible, as a credible example. When he wears a mask, the french think okay, we have to and they do. We had this temptation of politicization probably because we are, but we did not. We did put our handcuffs on the possible quarrel and we obey because we had the leadership who showed this is what you dont have an america which is the pendulum of free spirit, we dont have a leader and it can lead to this currency in which you are with governors acting like crazy competitors. These social networks saying that the most crazy ideas, saying that you, all this bullshit which is honestly the project of internet force but accelerated by what you have. Were coming close to the end of the hour and ive been keeping my eye on the questions as well. I want you to end by taking up 2 questions. How will europe as we want to take advantage of you being a european, how do you think france and europe will be changed by this pandemic . And how do you think america and americas role in the world will be changed by this pandemic. It will not be changed by the pandemic. It will be changed by political will and by reconnecting yourself or not with the american creed. Its not a question of the pandemic. And i refuse the idea to give too much importance, too much importance to this pandemic. I think that it is not unprecedented and i think that there is not before and after. I think we will prevail through the pandemic, i hope. I hope that it will be less deadly than some of the past but as itself i dont think it will change the world except the consciousness that a proper democracy has to have some proper hospitals, has to have a Proper Health system, that one of the worst inequities is what i said before, those who have access to health and those who are accessed with, this hopefully will change and for the rest, i dont rely. I dont put my hope in the world reaction to the pandemic in order to build a better world. When the politics will beover , the word world of before will restart and the same people on the two sides of the barricade, those who are happy with the world as it is and those who are honestly, genuinely sometimes desperately trying to repair all over the world. It will be where reese start right like that and the real point for america is that america will have to reconsider itself as a fatherland of great values, of the creed of the founding fathers. And so on. What is happening with europe is not due to pandemics. Europe is taking now, is trying to take its destiny in its hands the calls we discovered for the first time that the American Protection might not exist in any longer and for the moment, god for bid if something terrible happened to europe. For the First Time Since one Century America will not, under trump to our rescue but it is not the pandemic, it is trump who created this state of political evidence in europe which some have taken to consideration back home. They really think this new world, they really try their best to respond to the new challenge created by the retreat ofamerica and you have those. I am in italy now, you have some people, the populists have left and some are happy with that and are ready to make a deal with vladimir putin, a deal with victor orban, with the worst militia to shoot the migrants who tried to cross. This is a dividing line in europe. But the dividing line is not the pandemic and i resist myself the temptation to give too much historical, philosophy philosophical importance. It is a tragic disease. It is a little virus. And as i say in the book, the virus is pure suffering, it is pure death, it is the concentration, its a sort of coagulation of the poison, but it is not an agent of history or the rules of history. A message to those are ready to listen. I try and my book to resist this way of considering the virus. There is one area i disagree with you on i think it is a messenger. I think both sars cov to our messages that we have expanded into wilderness areas, we have killed the apex predator in those wilderness areas and weve left behind general species of vast rats and primates who can live and destroy ecosystems and then we gone in and even hunted those and theyve evolved in the wild with their viruses like the coronavirus. We funded those, weve extracted them and put them into what wet markets which is where sars cov one came from and in wuhan, sars cov to where they have to not in some ways we dont understand from these species to humans and other mammals. And i do think its a warning to us that when you press on Mother Nature too far. When you go tothese extremes , you will get these deeply apparent responses and i do think this is a warning on climate that if you do go to the same extreme on climate, your Climate Change has a couple of differences with sars cov one and sars cov 2. Climate change doesnt peek. Viruses peak, Climate Change doesnt peek. If we melt the arctic ice, it will be gone forever andit will never reflect the sun again. The ocean will rise and we will live with the implications of that forever. Not only does it not peak, theres no herd immunity to Climate Change. Theres just an endless pounding on the herd theres one difference which is there is, we have the vaccine for Climate Change which is dramatically reducing co2 emissions. That was one thing i disagreed with. I think theres an important warning here about going to extremes of nature. But we have a couple minutes left and i want to get you to talkabout israel and the middle east. Both israel and the middle east you referred to curtis dan, different middle east populations obviously wrestling with the virus and with political disintegration atthe same time. Evan on, israel, netanyahu he had laid this dragon now its come back to bite, triggering massive protests against netanyahu. Take your lens from the book and apply it to the middle east before we close. I want to say that on Climate Change we are on the same page. I think i read most of your pieces about that. I agree 100 percent its inevitable, the rough maybe not political questions and resisting the Climate Change area and im sure of that and i use to say that we live in the first time in history in Human History where the idea of the end of humanity has become the predictable historical event. In the old ages, it has always been taken into consideration but as an impossible event. As a how would i say, as an autocratic event, happening in the end of the world and for the first time in Human History , you have to scientists who disagree if it is in one century, two centuries, 10 years. Five centuries but there is an agreement to say that the end of humanity because of Climate Change will happen in the time of Human History this is huge. About the viruses. You are right that it is the product of the description you do but the virus of the spanish flu, the virus of the parents of the 15th century before christ, it was before Climate Change. It was before globalization and they were hitting viruses so what i would say is that a little different thing. There are some, so many viruses and many viruses in humanity that as skys, as stars in the sky. Thatis a lot. Take advantage of the power of Mother Nature. When nature is only protect, you do have viruses that will come some take advantage of this new breed of mankind so you have two sorts of viruses and i dont know how to describe it. Maybe some scientist will do it one day that im sure there is a table, there might be a difference between those who attack when Mother Nature is from and those who attack when Mother Nature is ready but that you are as killer as the others. Aboutthe middle east , it depends. I was recently in curtis dan. There is such a mixture of things. I dont know if the main problem of israel today is colonialism, im not sure of that. There are, there is a real problem about the destiny of zionism, about giving new breathing to the great agreement of zionism which is for me one of the rare revolutions of the 25th century. Will it die west and mark survive, will it revive . This is a rare challenge. Is the kobe the big challenge . It might be and ask, might be a mask for those dont want to raise the real existential question for the sake of israeli itself and the same positivity even if you look at the figures so my reaction is really to be humble. And careful, taking the countries, the situations in the world case after case. And probably not. I tried to present myself from generalizing too much. This is an entry to be in this dialogue area i urge everyone to now go stay online, click on amazon. Com look up his name, click on the book. By the book. Its the least you can do you and its been a treat for me anytime. I always enjoy our conversations. Rate for me, its a great honor for me. Thank you for being with us tonight. When you read the things said about thomas jefferson, that he was an infidel and an agent of the french government. That was a little rabbit reminiscent, doesnt it . Things said about Abraham Lincoln and the things said about fdr that he wanted to be a dictator so it does come the territory that i think in trumps case at least in the modernpolitical era , postworld war ii, ive never seen anythinglike it. Sunday, september 6 at noon eastern on indepth our live to our conversation with faith and Freedom Coalition founder ralph reed was booked include awakening, active faith in his most recent, for god and country. Join in the conversation with your phone calls, text and tweets. Watch tv indepth september 16 at noon eastern on cspan2. Recently msnbc legal analyst joel banks collected on her legal career including her time as one ofthe special prosecutors on the watergate case. Heres a portion of her talk. In the first hearingwhen we were trying to figure out who had handled the tapes and you might have been able to explain why they were missing , the white house was presenting witnesses and one of them was rosemary woods. So i felt by the time there were three of us, jim neil and returned to nashville to attend his private practice with the promise that he would come back if we succeeded in getting an indictment, he would come back in time for the trial so that left rick and myself, to 30yearolds in charge of this whole thing againstthe white house. We were known as the childrens art against the wicked king. And rick is a very assertive, powerful, persuasive, totally unlike me. Im organized and thoughtful. We were a great team but i felt he was taking too many witnesses. He only had a couple of more experiences than me, a couple years more experience and i was an equal player so i pulled him out of the courtroom and i said im taking the next witness and then we are sharing equally every other witness. The next witness called by rosemary in the first witness is a chain of custody witness, nothing significant and it was rosemary woods so i questioned her and by amazing foresight or by accident really i after questions like what precautions she had taken not to erase any of the tapes and she said i use my head, its the only thing i had to use and shewas hostile and nasty to me. And then when the white house announced there was this 18 and a half minute gap and that there was no innocent explanation and that only rosemary woods could explain it , i assumed she would stay my witness because she had been my witness the first time andyou dont change witnesses in the middle. Leanne jaworski in his book claims he actually was behind my questioning her the second time. If he was i have no knowledge of it. I just prepared from the moment i heard that she was a guilty one. I skipped all of thanksgiving and spent the weekend reading every thing i could possibly meet about her past testimony and being prepared. There were no computers i had to get transcripts and underline them and look at them. So then when she was called as a criminal suspect, for the first time in my life i gave the miranda warnings because she was the suspect in a criminal case. Wants the rest of this Program Visit our website booktv. Org. Use the searchbox at the top of the page. Good evening everyone, my name is max young and id like to thank you on behalf of vromans for tuning internet and were lucky enough to have with us jordan blashek and Christopher Haugh author of the union, a democrat a republican and a search for common ground. It will be moderated by army veteran and congressional candidate tony woods. Were grateful you can join us and im grateful for your time. If you want to ask jordan and chris questions, click the ask a question but there. And lastly if you want to support the two authors, you can click the green button down there to purchase their book but with that all said