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It to such a pleasure to speak about your book try washington and we the people. Im going to get into the idea of revolution, you say in the book america has been through divisive. Before some followers that we are living through today, with the hindsight of history, we can see them as inflection points, the transitional period between old system that is broken down in anyone with information, are we at an inflection point, absolutely, we are right in the middle of it, to the best example, in 2016 the republican primary, it was a real civil war and the Republican Party that the establishment of republicans represented by jeb bush and others did not get the nomination, did not get the support of the other people, those revolutionary donald trump, the democrats are going to the same thing right now, theyre having a civil war in their party, is it going to be the traditional democrats, is it going to be some outsider, socialist, i think that is indicative and the fact that it just doesnt work, the stop that is worked in the last 40 years in the United States to govern the people has not kept up with the country, i guess at the end of this book that i realized after long. Then i went into the wilderness to figure it out as america goes to the divisive periods roughly every 40 years, why, its because were very dynamic country, demographically, geographically, socially, economically, we are constantly reinventing ourselves, not just as individuals but as a nation and government aisle which might make this intriguing, but certainly the more productive conversation that we can have in this teenage are based on common ground, civility and understated each of the differences. Can you explain what you mean i nationalism and populism and how it might be different than others. I think there is for things to define, nationalism and populism and elitism. For decades i was republican Foreign Policy establishment, i went all the schools, i had jobs and those of ministrations but over the last ten or so years i came to reject a lot of the thinking that i had before about globalism, globalism in my mind is the idea that because the sophisticated Economy International and that the boundaries are as important, the National Boundaries are not important when you think of the internet and the finance going and people going, the boundaries are less important because its a free flow of information, ideas, individuals, finance, business and so that is international as a globalist that thinks thats a new world and so we really dont need to thank you so much about the National Laws and regulations, we really need to have global institutions, global regulations that defy anybody. The second part is the elitism, i think that stance from a couple k did world in a cup located society for only the experts and the people who had graduate degrees in Nuclear Weapons and no how to hold any kind of opinion on National Security. With those two together, borders dont matter and experts to come a lot of elitist are the people who think if we only have this International Group that they could better govern the world and we would be safer and happier place. That is sort of where i was 15. Im not there anymore, the elitist, theyre not taking care of all the people in the American People especially i as a patriotic flooded american, i believe the American People are sovereign, not some selfselected group of experts, lets say bureaucrat if you will, if the American People who had the right to choose their leaders, they dont like their leader, throw them out and they also have their maker people who make the mistakes and change your mind. The other part which is globalism versus nationalism, i think we spent far too long dealing with the world as we wish it would be. That the United States at the end of world war ii, we were the dominant country in the world, economically, militarily, what we did, we were very generous to our former allies and even tory former adversaries who had the society devastated by world war ii, we entered into security agreement, bilateral multilateral as well as trade agreements tory disadvantage, we put up 75 of the resources for nato for example. Development. Thats how things were for 50 6070 years but i do not think that made sense anymore because the world had changed, a lot of them, most of them have not only recover but surpassing. We did the same thing with china and around 2000 when we said we will give china a helping hand and help them economically develop because in the end they will be like japan, korea or europe, our trading partner, we will play by the same rules and they will be our friend, it did not work out the same way with china, thats why i broke with nationalism, i broke with globalism and elitism well before donald trump came along, i was already there 2014 15 and the reason was i went around the country and in public speaking around groups around the country. I am an elitist, i live in a cocoon in a bubble in new york but as i went around the country i knew something was happening but i cannot figure out what it was, i did my own informal polling and i would get up to the podium and say how many of you think the economy is not where it was and you will have opportunity with your childrens generations that you have had an hands went up and i said do you think america is losing his place in the world and were getting kicked around by pipsqueak countries that we should not be getting kicked around. Then i would ask how many do you think the values of america that we think of as american values, selfreliance, independence, ingenuity, how many of you think that those are going away. Around 75 and then i would say how many do you think its washingtons fault, everybodys hands even including the guy running the sound their lives when they were in their teens. Number in the middle of a cultural revolution. But inch in china, was in the 60s, actually maybe 1970 to 1973. These guys were in their late teens. A lot of the leadership of china now, has been the sons and the leaders of china. When the culture revolution happening, which was chaotic and disruptive and of guard students who were storming, universities, tearing down leaders. It was really the wrong kind of possible of revolution they went wild and they took a lot of the Senior Leader to china. The pet them to jail are they sent them out into the country. Basically firstly labor. And his father was one of those people. So for his child that experience as all of his colleagues, a lot of them have been in the top positions when they were young. Then at the good beijing. That all of a sudden the work sent to the countryside. Along with their families, to be punished and beaten pretty so i think that he in this group, to them, this would think that could happen is a destructive Society People going crazy. Order breaking down. Revolution of the wrong kind. So what they want to do at all costs is to make sure that china doesnt go there again pretty think that drives their full authoritarian social point system. An eight think that drive, their position in the world. They dont believe like we do that sometimes revolutions are a good thing. An individual freedoms, youre not going to have individual freedoms pretty going to be as the government tells you predict so that sort of four they start out. They dont want this order, and they want transparency. Everything was going along quite nicely in the United States as i said, literally tried to help china. To modernize, we thought well the modernize an open economy. The open up at checkpoints. It will be just like korea. All of the of the countries. It will be great happy world. Goodbye yet. But it didnt happen because of the chinese needed to, they were coming from so far behind. They were probably down 20 to 30 years. What it took us 100 years to do. The very conscious of that that they have people who were in starvation situations, 20 years ago now they are building other cities. They will be or do anything to give them a produce of the United States, a lot of the manufacturing jobs that we have, i think he could safely say that they work in america. But then they went to china. In america never really retrained the people. We have unemployment or underemployment a large section of our population while the chinese doing it. We enabled their success. We dont resent their success. At least i dont. If enabled it. Down the times changed. Now time to recalibrate that relationship really dont need to treat china like a third world country and give them the advantages of the trade and finance and marketing of the economy. They wouldve enjoyed their have enjoyed as a third world developing country. Some not saying that we should have an adversarial relationship and are not saying should try to keep them down. His hair because they have done great things. We acknowledge that. Historic achievement in the history of the world. The time has come to rejigger that relationship. To your concerns about fourway for example. And the buying up of all the ports. It throughout africa and the concern about the new sort of colonialism and concern about china and displacing of the United States is a sort of the predominant power in the global power. The chinese have sent to the market, we know that youre in charge. K. T. youre the little brother. When big brother. But i think that their rhetoric and their ambitions have changed. In the las decade or so. The things that i would point to her their refusal for example to renegotiate a lot of these deals. Eight borrow still however you can, access to the technology geographically, ms. Militarily. One is a south china sea. Now that is the waterway through which the majority of the world trade, from europe and africa, from the middle east, august with each south tennessee through china, philippines, korea and the chinese have very aggressively moved and say thats an internal chinese thing. Thats how they started. Were they to build them up. The know, the militarized them and out they are moving towards claiming that that is the worlds greatest ceiling of commerce. It should be an internal thing in the right for the chinese who does what and when. That is a big problem. So far the chinese attempt to take the countries, is in the 14ths, where treatment from china to the middle east. In the chinese attempted to recreate them and with china in charge. It is called one road, one bill. So the chinese but this physical highway but they will also build the virtual highway by going through all these countries. In building things to the Chinese Standards in the chinese will be in charge. None like that roman empire in europe, the final thing is that their maritime ambitions pretty so the chinese have looked at pakistan, these coast of south africa. The name said, well were going to build ports. Just like the south china sea, they civilly sports are here because we want to sell and trade chinese goods. To the sports but in fact, a lot of this portion of being militarized to the chinese are building a maritime route, they are building a land route and trying to control the worlds Global Commerce route. Now in addition to that, with the chinese, made in china 205 through the chinese leader, has said they want to dominate the ten technologies of the future. Gone from making low value, like tennis shoes, to all of the way up to computers and high technology. But theyve identified ten technologies of the future. Artificial intelligence, bioengineering. Sent we want to be leaders in those and will do it however we have to pretty will buy American Companies and we will go to the intellectual demands that we have fred going to demand that the companies have to turn over intellectual properties pretty so that is another way but all these things added together, plus much more aggressive attitude and talking about it. I think the chinese no longer want to be little brother to them of the world and they say, we are going to dominate the world the technology of the world. The commerce of the world. With our International Five g global networks. Well dominate the communications then will rewrite the rules according to our specs. Is that not the case for multilateralism. Versus china not to send this would be an overtly aggressive start but that this would be Transpacific Partnership for america and a dozen of the states around the pacific rams decided to make trade agreements. Hello in the tariff so that they can constrain chinas ability with this companies. Mr. To link the United States. K. T. i think there is a transpacific internet really show. Think that would be everything to revisit entrapped second term. And why because trump understood that he real guilt the American Economy to make it this economy and welcome you have a lot of average. As you get off of the middle east soil, we have a lot of leverage in the energy world. And also because we are the recipients of purchases of most countries goods. Other countries may sell it to us. They need to sell it to us. We make stuff, we dont have to sell it to them. So trump understood those things and realize they can fix the American Company economy, he could get us off of middle east energy. He could use trade with china, japan, south korea, britain soon. Mexico and canada. But what the United States together in a better position they would have much more leverage and then sergeant negotiate. My advice to him is that now that you have china, the phase one agreement, you have it trade agreement with mexico. You probably get one with the brits by the end of the year. We now have it trading because we can go to china and a lot of us have the same complaints about the chinese. And when he goes a block lead by the United States. Say we demand a new deal now predict human to beat you down but we want you to stop exploiting the generosity that we have given you over these decades. That is interesting. I want to talk to about something, the aftermath of the tech americana. And we speak about china. It has given us to some extent, leucine American Intervention with iraq and afghanistan. We seen a sort of complete waste of american lives in how do we take ourselves from iraq and afghanistan. With license and al qaeda. How do we get out of those things. And focus our resources at home. Sue and i think Foreign Affairs like life, you pick your fights and you have priorities. To me its a Big Authority is china. While isis is a problem, and while all of these other things, their problems but theyre not, you dont want to lose track of the real problem. I think they was really graded understanding what was the real game here. The soviet union in the United States. In his Nuclear Weapons. This not get sidetracked with all of this other stuff that might prevent you from dealing with major issues in china. And when trump has allowed the Energy Industry in United States, we have gone through four years and that Energy Importers to exporters. Within a short period of time, we can replace the middle east is the worlds major source of energy. So once we can get off of their energy, leading have to get sucked into their psycho thomas. They been fighting each other for thousands of years. Tribal warfare. We dont belong in the middle of that. We probably could replace the oil. So i think that to me is one of the important things, you have all of these things. Thats important. If it distracts you from doing the importance things from asia and the five g Global Technologies of the future, then you should have a very different focus. So i was critical, not going into afghanistan. We kind of did that. We should not have stayed around to rebuild afghanistan. Sure should not exceed run and try to rebuild these countries. They dont want to be rebuilt. You talk in the book about the idea of nationbuilding overnight even if it looks like years and what is missing is the buildup of civil society. You cant just make a democracy, you cant create a government and an educational institution. It comes from the country for you talk about invasions being the right thing but also those around thing. Ive appreciated that you have your counter. And some of the president s tweeting for example. And your thoughts on importance of rest assured since in this country. The backbone of democracy. I know youre not a big fan of. And then on the other hand, where for example the president to have the tax junctures. And to some way or another. In talking about the people who tried who are associated with him. Can you talk to me about the importance. K. T. i guess about the best part of this in the first amendments freedom of speech and freedom of press. I think trump understood what reagan did. That the would be against him. [laughter]. I absolutely would argue. I do agree that some president s get all of these treatments and challenges frankly. George washington right did he couldnt be bothered with the newspaperman. K. T. i think trump understood the same with the reagan did. I think all of our great revolutionary presence of that you have find a way to get to the American People. And the press establishment. Reagan did the right corner of the country rated and speaking to cities and towns all across the country pretty going to local radio stations a local television stations. Fdr, he went talking out on the radio directly to the American People so how does trump do it pretty he understands the press is not quite like in effect even those that are going to hate him and lie about him. But he found a way to reach directly over the heads of those people. Directly to the market people by tweeting. I dont like to tweet. But some of them make my skin pro rated but the visibility to get directly to the market people. For that, to me as an institution that he had reagan and fdr and the safe lincoln going all the way back have preserved which is the free speech of the american leaders to talk directly to the American People. Danielle suddenly find that balance. And for example we wouldnt have had watergate. For the wall street journal, the washington journal reported. Where is the balance between getting away of an event and also to say that is asking questions the matter to the market people. Reserve always would be something. K. T. i spent a lot of time thinking about how, will unite talked about this in the very beginning of the conversation. Its like trying to reason with a two yearold. He would never going to do that. So what happens. I think he realized that eventually of this people just become irrelevant. And then as the ultimate truth. A row believer in the common sense. And those voices that are trying to strangle refuse to listen, they will eventually go by the wayside. Because no one. The many more. Theres a screaming. So my worried about the balance. Yes, is our democracy. It will get a little out of whack here and there but at the end of the day, the fight of better. Danielle im so excited about the nuclear issue. The fact. K. T. i cannot believe you just said that. Professional women in midtown manhattan and you are going to talk to me about Nuclear Weapons how cool is that. Danielle it is legal. And the idea that they are sorted pockets of information or policy that the average american axis two. Nuclear strategy. Average americans dont feel like they have agency over an issue. Really doesnt come up in politics. Really doesnt come up debate. Im in time, one straight out of the gate, the president signed. So the treaty with russia. The fiveyear on the Table Including said that he will sign the military conditions. When the pros and cons printer why. K. T. so worked with this. I work for reagan when we had this and we took it into a whole process between the two of us. So where are we now. The Trump Administration one of the things that i did was to take a review of the american Foreign Policy in the first couple of weeks. Its a status report and so one of the things was the russians have been cheating for years. Called imagery weapons and also pretty clear that the chinese were developing and they were not part of any deal. So well lets get to where we need to get to and then call. We teach, every reporter will say we are teaching. With the russian street, nobody calls them on it braided so i with the right thing to do. And with reagan. And what i relearned with travis that youve got to have some chips to play the game. And where is your leverage if you dont even have that. Reagan was able to go to the soviet union then in months cancel this. In economic leverage. And we threaded the Defense Missile system. And they knew they couldnt build and they thought we might be able to pretty and then trump is going to the right place. It doesnt mean hes happy doing it. But you have them in the negotiations. Jocelyn benson. Danielle movinge nuclear spirit week had this in the cycle the sort of cycle and noncommittal and promises with north korea. At least since 1990. We are building a Nuclear Weapon programs. What are your views on this, is it even unsolvable problem are we going to have to do with the idea the north korea will have Nuclear Weapons. K. T. again i would say priorities. The priorities china. Republicans democrats everybody is in there. We hold out a carrot we hit it with a stake and you have sanctions you have economic problems. So then the North Koreans come to the negotiating table. They say great, let up on this one. I think that trump has done the right thing. When review at of this in the beginning of the trump and ministration in the situation room for it every state, intelligence, military. And i said what worked what are we going to do about north korea aspirated they said basically they said had the same a policy which was basically doing nothing. It i sent him back to me in about a weeks time and i want to hear all of your ideas. Think outside of the box in a box. As the one hand, and i actually good tb style, and i sit on the other hand, accepting the north korean of the Nuclear Weapons. On the other hand i want did to me about regime change. And what we might do militarily. Economic pressure, this think about covert things that we can do. But come back and lets do this again for you probably not done a reassessment in the position than the last couple of years. Select. And they all come back by the week later. Then i spent the time in between really learning or relearning a lot of the things that i had earlier in my countr career. Its probably a decade before you were born previously come back they have these ideas there was no their think theres a little bit of economic and the little bit of military stuff he could do pretty new put them all together you could have incentive thinking about a dial than is on or off, we can have a dial. And then you start turning up the dial of pressure in all of these ways so that you can affect the chinese and the north korean. The other part was the understanding of korea pretty 7d fuel transportation, comes as the sword of the gift from china. And he did the chinese to help you. So i think the chinese may have said my stuff in the they would help you with an evident. Trump said that, in the safe while they tried but they couldnt do it. The other thing is that trump, all of those experts that he was getting advice from. They did not understand his negotiations that with trump, and with kim, he would toys be personal. Kim never cared about his people. He would let them starve. He did it care pretty good name cared about the dogs. Only about him and his ego and maybe he cares a little bit about being a greater leader of his father or his men father for princeton trump i think is found out that carrot stick ego. And i think he has played to kim pretty to man. He said lets go meet. Now meet you in singapore. He was very carefully chosen. I was gone from the administration by then. Singapore is the most modern city in the world and have done it in about 30 your time pretty so this demonstrates demonstration again. The United States sought the vietnam war. And we were mortal enemies prince of the other example is to say, can look, he is to hate them and we were at war with each other. Weve not had good relationships with you but look at close we are now. So i think those are carefully calibrated to show kim these are the possibilities then the other thing the trump bed which i thought was actually brilliant most people thought it was not sophisticated enough but he did this like movie trailer sort of thing. This could be you. Worlds great leader. Danielle he showed them the motivation with a good economy could look like. K. T. he could be a world leader. So who knows. What you do. How you deal with north korea. But how do you solve a problem like north korea. I think that was the right thing to do. If you have a different relationship with china going forward, north korea might be something else. Danielle everything is interconnected pretty you politics, trade, sovereignty, domestic politics. Both domestically and internationally. And he said about the president , watch what he does. And when he says. Im interested in your thoughts about that as one of the things that he said pretty mentally like around the border wall. Lets start with what he does, not with what he says. K. T. so is trying to figure out, everybody well most doesnt have a lot of analysis. What makes him tick. Some more than others. Like what makes john if kennedy travel have a whole library. I think that have worked closely with him, i think he was to win. Thats what makes him tick. Is from new York Real Estate world. Where you either make money that your, or you lost. He created the whole genre of reality television. Either had good ratings are bad rating sprint washington and much bigger than that. So i think for him, it was all about winning. How you get there, i get the good ratings and make the money. Its just getting to where you can win. I think the trump goes to the negotiation, i think he just looks at those as think you have to do to get to the point where you win. So as a tactic. Sony comes in, every time he proposes a negotiation with somebody, thats a terrace for the chinese, the media goes nuts. The political establishment is nuts, they think thats just absurd. Trump probably thinks its absurd to thats his opening bid, thats not where he expects settle. Something to a certain extent, he says a lot of strange things. So say to kim, one week he sort of trash talk him on twitter like my missiles are bigger than your missiles. I could decimate you in a war. In the next week, hes is kim and i are sending each other love letters. To trump, it doesnt matter. Sometimes, he doesnt worry about having contradictory lessons in place. He doesnt worry about overwhelming himself. He just wants to win. This worked pretty effectively for him. Danielle maybe his rhetoric is gone in the way im interested in your thoughts pretty you may entirely disagree with me. The southern border ball pretty in 2006, on george w. Bush, in the house and the Senate Bipartisan and it was about the southern border. Now here in this crazy place we have sort of trump, supporters and detractors fighting almost over the same thing and i wanted your opinion on how he talked about wall security. In building walls in mexico is going to pay for it in immigrants and immigration. To think sometimes his rhetoric actually gets in the way of a policy to may actually be beneficial. I will give you a quote when bush talks about the secure fence act, he said in the announcement that it still that we honor the Great American traditions. You think sometimes his rhetoric gets in the way of the policy. K. T. i think he can solve the immigration problem in about 90 minutes but nobody was to get near to dialin. Im going back to dragon. Republicans have legitimate proposal the democrats do like it because they will dont want to give him a win. I think right now are in such a stuck place. The how do you solve it is pretty simple. Nancy pelosi doesnt want to give donald trump when right now. Danielle yet she did a lot of work. And he also, didnt invite her to the announcement. So i think theres a little bit of pettiness on both sides. The things worse than before. K. T. i was in the white house during watergate. I think the difference now is that we really are in a period where its a revolution read is about way more than just trump. Trump 20 to think its all about him and nancy pelosi and the democrats, they want you to think its all about him to produce will enough princeton that the establishment status quo, is just getting the job done. The American People, whether they are Bernie Sanders supporters are donald trump supporters, they wanted different direction. This is a war the nobody wins. A political war nobody wins. There is no middle ground. Somebody will be successful the other side will fade into the background and a staff. As far as the ball itself, to me the ball is a symbol. Is just get control of your borders. Right now what is the Biggest Issue on the planet right now the people care about, the coronavirus. The countries are stealing their border with china. Airlines are refusing to fly flights into china. He didnt have a border, this would be pretty hard thing to do. Supporters actually are important. Danielle i dont disagree with you at all. This is rhetorical argument. That to russia. And putin really as we have seen with the 2016 election interference. Theres intimate warfare going on pretty russia and to the United States. But has the economy and is losing its grip on the energy. When we go from here. What are the things that were being approach with putin to make sure that we retain our predominance that we dont allow russia for example to get in with china or create an excess that will be threatening to our global dominance. K. T. think thats one of the great disappointments of american Politics Today is couldve we found a way to work with russia and i would prefer that we have an agreement of noninterference. But i dont think that politically is going to happen. I think that no matter who will be the president of the united season i do think it will be donald trump with any kind of relationship with russia is not possible right now its a shame because were very good position, strong position to do with russia. A lot of it is economic. Russia started on the same mistake twice. In the 70s went the price of oil was going up, russia big export of oil, they really went hogwild when they got all that rainfall profits with the oil. They went around the world and hadnt military buildup and then when reagan came up in the 80s, he was able to, because of the price of oil going down and because of the technological superiority. In the incompetence of that economy, he was able to drive the russians into economic downfall. Television, he will metal. So when he was coming onto the world stage, k bg agent, russia and the soviet union was a great nation. Superpower. So joe with american he could look forward to a great future. But then everything collapsed by the late 80s and early 90s for clintons friend now, stop spreading so he goes to graduate school at that point and he wrote a dissertation in russian. I wrote i read a translation of it. He talked about how to make russia great again. They would use additional resources, consolidate them under state control and the price of oil would eventually go up and they would be rich again. Thats exactly the plan he followed in russian to become rich again. 200 a barrel. And yet they collapsed after that. But put in instead of taking the winfield profits, that he wouldve had say in 2010 and reinvested into the economy, but he went on another spending spree. Eight the, social services, consolidate control. So now the price of oil goes down and i dont think it ever goes up to those levels again. Hes kinda broke. So this would be a very good time to let them have their dignity as reagan did at the collapse of the soviet union. When a strong position operating seven because of the american domestic politics. On put a lot of that on right into the lap of the democrats and the obama administration. The intelligence community, they have an effect push russia into the arms of china which to me is one of the greatest geopolitical threats, the chinese and russians getting together again like they did in the 1950s and 60s. Chinas money this time and russias military technology. Danielle is an audit another argument to hold our allies close to collectively face and alliance. Its another case of a multilateral, nato strong there are alliances of strong. Their relationships are maintained pretty. K. T. sure. But lets everybody do their fair share. And alliance with the United States, handing out goodies friday at our expense, the countries that dont want to ante up in their own defense. For their own economies. Dont think that is a Fair Alliance at all. I dont think do away with the issue. Danielle i would like to talk about you. It is been so interesting to talk about these ideas. It would like to turn back to that powerful weekend. You started with a parttime job as a night shift secretary for Henry Kissinger during the nixon administration. In the last of that you have the white house was with the National Security advisor. And of the fifth president of the United States. Tell me about the arc of your life what you sort of learned along the way. He started the white house. Just really interested in those two things. Looking in the middle and how did you and that there pretty. K. T. im in my middle 60s and for me it was the first opportunity for women to have equal access education and eventually equal access professionally. I was from a workingclass family and i went to college on scholarship. The first real job ahead was a freshman year in college. I was 18 years old. Get a job night shift secretary for Anna Kissinger that was in 1971970 at the time, women didnt while the most you can do or aspire to live in the white house was to be the aid by the assistant raven the Administrative Assistant to a man. They just werent open. It was just the way it was. So for me, i did have some grand plan on how to Glass Ceiling breaker or pioneer. But it turned out that way because it took advantages as he came along. But at the end of my career, sitting just a few feet away from my first job as a secretary, to end it has probably one of the most senior people the american government, setting Foreign Policy in a job that in 18 yearold could never even aspire to her thought was possible. To the point where my daughters, they think that its routine the women have these jobs. Its expected to predict. Danielle and you made that happen. K. T. whenever you are open open open for women now in fact, my older daughters about to her first child, probably by the time that the stairs. [laughter]. The fact that there are so many opportunities pretty i love working with women in talking to women of all ages i think the big problem now is how do i have it all. Im an education, and marriage, children. How do you chocolate. I had a great education, great career and then my middle 30s, retired. We won the cold war. As a Nuclear Weapons expert. So i retired to be a housewife and mother. And i did it for well over a decade pretty and some of the most rewarding times of my life. Then got back into the swing of things after september 11th. In pretty good background. Actually is my older daughter who said, i think the country is under attack. You should stop having lunch with a girlfriend to do it youre good at. So for me it was another chapter my life. And five children but also had a great career. The american dream. Danielle foot to write about is this notion thats what we all want and deserve and how do we get that to a place where there is opportunity for all we have equality. In fact you took ten years off. As a working parent. I can imagine and am so afraid to take time away and losing that time. It was miraculous that you could do that and yet that with your qualifications and possibly your network. Were so worried about losing ground were just working and working and working. And youve really shown that you can started a an indefinite see. The very interesting and fluid. Nonlinear path. K. T. before anybody man or woman, but particularly for women, you have a lot of opportunities. Dont let this opportunity skin away in the way of a professional life pradip ive had professional success have also had personal fulfillment as well. If i had not been part of their growing up, ive not had an opportunity to, scold them. Do all of the normal mom things. That is important. Danielle from you. It is look around you, and future is an all of our hands. Its not up to just a bunch of power people or selfappointed savior to save the americans. It is up to average common regular american citizens, we the people to bring about american revolution. What can we the people do to secure this revolution and make sure that we can live life and fulfillment with the rights that we are guaranteed in the constitution. But how do we make it difference k. T. participated get involved. Think one of the big problems is that ten years ago, 40 percent of the American People have checked out. Stay safe from not political and i dont get involved. I dont care about politics. What trump has done part when he goes to these rallies is that he is taken a group of people who felt disenfranchised, who warn warned, they were not rich or powerful. More politically active or influential. And he said, look, it is your country two. Whatever you say about the policies and the politics of it, the fact that more americans now are in the political classes that they have been in the arena. In the figured out. So i think that the single most important thing anybody can do is show up at those rallies. Show up at the polls. They should not govern for you, you should govern for yourself. You dont like what theyre doing, get rid of them prayed. Danielle and that i think there were a hundred million eligible voters. They did not vote. Your point is well taken. You dont get to have a say if you dont use the thing that is guaranteed to you. K. T. is not necessarily to you. With the right times this possibility. It you bet it is your responsibility. However you doing it, it is your responsibility to choose the leaders. Your sacrifices so that you have that right and now you have the responsibility. Danielle voided with another question prayed loved about this is it is a statement about what you observed in the country. Its a bit about the things in your book but also statement about you. America is an exceptional nation because it makes this personal rendition possible. But even more profound is that we also have the power to reinvent the nation. Human brain and trent reinvented yourself many times over. You have served this country. Youve written this wonderful book. In many ways opposed to i found engaging, and what i loved about it was common ground. Revolution, trump in washington and we the people. In his been a pleasure. Youre watching book tv, on cspan2, every weekend the latest nonfiction books and authors. Cspan2, created by americans People Television company is a public service, i brought you today by your television provider. Book tv on cspan2 has top nonfiction books and authors every weekend saturday and 8 00 p. M. Eastern, and watch programs the late author christopher, his books include no one left to lie to. The missionary position in the trial of Henry Kissinger. And on sunday and 9 00 p. M. Eastern, on afterwards, you University Professor and work on this book, like the class went. 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