Ladies and gentlemen, my name is lou hardy, im one of the cofounders [applause] bostonians [inaudible] and we do a lot of Educational Forums like this to talk about immigration. I want to welcome all the people that are assembled, i want to welcome everyone who may be watching on live stream and the people who are watching on cspan booktv. And i want to let you know that, despite the covid regulations in boston which used to be the cradle of liberty and we are now in lockdown all the time, but what were doing tonight is were skirting the law and were getting together for this wonderful event to talk about a very important book. More than 50 of it deals with immigration, both legal and illegal, and i would like everyone to welcome mr. Harlan hill and mr. Ryan girdusky. [applause] apparently im going to be doing marco rubio all night. [laughter] its very hot here in boston, but lets are get right to it. Harlan is a political consulling about the, an adviser to the [inaudible] weve seen him on cnn, on msnbc, on fox business and on fox news. And ryan is also a political consultant, hes a writer for the washington examiner, for the american conservative, i believe hes associate editor, and youve with seen husband work in human events x. This is their first book, and for a first book, lets give another round of applause. [applause] were going to get just right to the book. In prep for this interview, i spoke with steve bannon this afternoon, the guru of populism. And he said this is a great and essential primer on how we got here with a global view on the populist movement, a deep dive, and if you can believe it, steve bannon also said that he would read this on the beach. [laughter] okay. Ann coulder [inaudible] he has high praise on the jacket, she calls this a critically important book. J. D. Vance, author of hillbilly elegy, calls it intelligent and extremely real. And Michelle Malkin says buy e this book. [laughter] lets get going. The kid from queens and a young man from South Carolina writing about global populism, brexit, maga, the yellow vests. Ill just start by saying i actually started my career in politics as a democrat. And i made the transition to the Republican Party because i found that i, frankly, misunderstood what the Democratic Party stood for. I thought it was a party that would fight for Small Business owners. I thought it was a party that would fight to grow the wages and the working conditions of workers around the country. Nothing could be further from the truth. What we saw was that 2016 was a total, complete revolt against the forward interests that have tried to drive down wages whether its through globalization or ilLegal Immigration, and i retired traveling all over the country, ohio, pennsylvania, in the midwest, and i would see these gutted towns. And i would say this doesnt make sense. Somethings fundamentally wrong here. And elites in both parties, democrat and republican, said for decades for people to listen in washington, for the media elites to listen as their communities were shattered by opioids and immigration. And they were the told basically, shut up and learn how to cope. From a middle class, kf Blue Collar Community in queens. Im from one of the republican communities in queens, and i really didnt have a lot of position [inaudible] because i wasnt sort of political. Although i did tell my parents when i was 8 years old that i would vote for ross perot. [laughter] so i was populist at a very early age. And when i was in high school, i was a big protester against the iraq war. It still doesnt make sense to me. But i also saw the radical transformation of communities, and that was my really only inkling into politics. When i was 27, i was like, you know, a lot of people who write about this have never actually been on the campaign trail, they dont actually know what theyre talking about. So let me give a shot at it. I started writing for the washington examiner, and bill kristol was few coworker, a very hostile work situation [laughter] and i was the only person in a conservative institution who said trump was going to be the nominee and was going to win. I held to my gun, and i remember they would book me for these horrible radio shows. I remember this one in idaho, iheart radio, and it was like why do you hate this country so much that youre supporting trump. And i was like, seriously . But i wrote an article a year ago in april 2019 about the rise of national poppe lumbar because i care a lot about i noticed what was happening around the world and said, wow, this is not just here. And everything youre being told is kind of a lieu. This is just kind of frozen into one thing. So i, i wrote this article and then i said this could be a book, so me and harlan are, i called harlan, would you do this project with me, and he said yes. Now we have a book. Great. Mobility, education, corruption feature prominently in the early chapters of the book. Do you want to touch on them . Okay. So the book breaks up the book is Nine Chapters along. Its pretty readable. I dont have a college education. Harlan doesnt either no. So we made this as simple as possible for People Like Us to read. [laughter] this is not a book, you dont have to go to harvard, even though were right by here, to understand the book. No, the main point is so theres National Populism occurring on all six continents, and we break into a conversation of when was the first Real National populist leader elected to a national government, and it was 1998. That was almost 20 years before donald trump. But the reaction to trump and the reaction to brexit was so so how did e this happen, they couldnt understand what was going on that they werent paying attention to the signs, the things that were moving. And a big part of our philosophy is that politics doesnt in a bubble. So, you know, for instance, terrorism in the book, the 2001 World Trade Center bombings that happened in new york city and washington affected the elections of denmark and elected a national populist government in denmark, expect first thing they did and the first thing they did was a, quoteunquote, muslim ban. Everything we see is cyclical around the swire world. One of the entire world. Angola with the conned please, both african countries, angola has [inaudible] they are highly more effective at controlling immigration. Why . Because its not a matter of efficiency, its a matter of political power. Do you want to do this, not can you do this. So we talk on that, corrupt obviously, and we have a list of certain things that all national populist movements around the entire globe really kind of overlap. And maybe not all nine or ten of them, but a majority of those beliefs kind of overlap globally. Yeah. I mean, i think one of the biggest takeaways from this book that we havent talked about so far is the culture and the cultural war that weve lost. And it hasnt i almost wish that we could have written this book and released it three months from now because the shock waves that have happened over the last few months whether it was coronavirus or the rise that weve seen sweep every metropolitan area in the country thats run by a democrat. The republicans are fine, but the ones run by democrats are the problem. And i wish that we could have talked about this, because i think theres a tectonic shift in this country. What i think democrats are trying to do is theyre trying to leverage the advantage that they have in education, theyre trying to leverage the advantage they have in the cultural war, controlling and the news media, and they think that this is going to be an inflection point, this will be their trump movement, the rise that were seeing happening in the streets. And one thing that we talk about in the book that i think is brilliant is the medias obsessed with democratic representation, right . There are countless stories that, you know, that include, you know, you look at the phrase there arent enough women, there arent enough people of color, yet we have literally hundreds of millions [inaudible] now, when you drill down and look at the media and you ask yourself does the media really represent, does hollywood really represent, do newsrooms really represent the makeup of the American People . And you had referenced earlier that neither of us have a college degree. Yeah. But 92 of reporters in newsrooms around this country have a college degree. Yeah. Most americans dont. Yeah. [inaudible conversations] yeah, the media is, when they say the media doesnt represent america, what it is is the media i mean, we have all the breakdowns in the book. You probably is have it next to boy. [inaudible] im going to have to make numbers up. The medias far too white, too liberal, they live in too many different democratic cities, and they have a singular narrative. And theres no breaking that narrative. 72 of the Publishing Industry live in [inaudible] wherehill key won by more than where hillary won by more than 30 percentage points. That means these people dont know a trump voter. Is so no wonder they were surprised. They dont know a gun owner. [laughter] anytime there is a shooting happen and they talk about guns, they have never shot a gun before. Ar93. Theyre idiots. [laughter] the chain saw next to the ak47 . What world are these People Living in . But they dont know, i mean, go to washington and go even in conservative [inaudible] and try to find a churchgoing person who owns a gun and a truck. It is impossible. We show that 7 of newsrooms are republican. I dont even believe theyre republican like bill kristols republican. Exactly. [laughter] yeah. But, you know, you bring up the media, and theres an awful lot of interplay between government and media. We saw nbc work this week to try to deplatform a major conservative libertarian web site, the federalist, and we saw john bolton who left the Trump Administration who launched husband book and launched all his book and launched all kinds of attacks against the Prime Minister what about this intermix against the president. What about this intermix between the press and [inaudible] yeah. I think that heres the thing with the media, and i worked in media. Most media people in general are very good people. Your local beat reporter for the local newspaper is making 50,000 a year trying to get by and really downing it because he loves the news doing it because he loves the news. Theres really not a lot of money for most reporters, so how do you make a lot of money . You become a brand. Rachel maddow, Anderson Cooper is a brand. You know what you getting from them. Theyre selling you their gimmick. It is like nike or oreo cookies. It is the same thing ever time, and you know what youre going to get. It is worth it because you can get a book deal, you can get a television show, you can get a television contract, you can sit there and give speeches for lots and lots of money. [inaudible] yeah, right. [laughter] you become hacks like us. No. But you can really do it. Is so is if you have the dream of being a great reporter, its possible, and there are a few really good ones. None are coming to mind right now [laughter] actually, Jennifer Jacobs from bloomberg is a fabulous reporter. Shes not biased at all. I really dont know her politics, and i enjoy reading her. Jonathan [inaudible] is pretty good. But theyre fewer than anyone else, and the problem of social media makes it all the more visible how openly political they are. And we break this down in the books a couple times. You know, they used to get punished for saying things. Now youre getting career advances. Ben jacobs between tweeted how he wants to punch Young Conservatives at cpac, doesnt get fired. And then he tweeted a quote from donald trump were going to bring justice the way it used to be. People instantly thought he was talking about the klan, but the full quote said at the ballot box. And he specifically left at the ballot box. Why . Got more retweets. And its easier to spread a lie than the truth, and its not as sexy, so thats what they sit there and do. I screw up on my twitter all the time. Theres nothing wrong with screwing up, taking down a tweet and apologizing. They dont do that. You saw the covington schoolboys. That was as big of a hoax as russiagate. They literally tried to [inaudible] over the fact that they saw a picture and a 30second video, and they went wild. Let me tell you, so what happened with google demonetizing zero hedge in the federalist yesterday, anyone could have seen that coming. It started, i actually said this in an interview today the, it started with [inaudible] and everybody was willing to discount [inaudible] because theyre fringe and mainstream conservatives, the capitalist side. They got demonetized, they got deplatformed, they got thrown off facebook, twitter, whatever. Theyre crazy. And then its happened to breitbart. Thats been going on for years where theyve been making it very hard for breitbart to make money on their traffic. Now were seeing a total demontyization from googles perspective of the federalist and zero hedge. Whats next . Its going to be the daily caller, its going to be the washington examiner, its going to be fox news. So then they started on the fringes, but theyre working their way to the middle. And now you cant even wear a tshirt for a conservative news channel without having your career threatened, without having people threaten the lives of your family. Its completely unhinged. So, yeah, theyre going to go after our pocketbooks. Whether that means youre a supporter of conservative media by trying to shame you into the shadows, shame you for supporting that network or the network themselves, theyre going to make it impossible for you to learn to earn a living on the traffic you have. And thats a problem for all of us, because on top of that, the social Media Networks are making it impossible to get our message out. When we were going to promote the book, we wrote these facebook ads, got totally rejected with zero explanation. Zero. Ive appealed it. Well see if we get out of it. But because we said National Populism and some other i keywords, they said, no, we dont want to run those ads. I think an important statistic we bring out, i mentioned this yesterday on tucker carlson, is that were having a conversation right now about the antiracist movement, about what words are triggering, what is the truth going on in our country. And we bring up the statistics in this book is that around 2007 certain words like whiteness, like racist, like White Privilege and social justice, all that terminology exploded in the average content in most major news outlets x. So without even seeing it, we were fore noticing it, we were being inundated with conversation that we werent really having. And we hadnt reflected on what was actually going on, the actual truth in our country. And i think that is Something Else thats very stunning. These people who kind of took over the University System with woke terminology. I remember when i was in college for the first time, i was like youre joking, right . Thats not a real thing. And this is never going to be wide sprea. D but they mauved from the moved from the colleges into the media, and they slowly took over that entire institution, and thats really what were seeing now come through. We certainly know that being in such a Great College town of boston. [laughter] [inaudible] spain is besieged, italy is besieged by ship after ship of refugees landing on beaches. Nigel farage is meeting boat loads in the English Channel and calling in the coast guard to no avail, and we have over 7,000 aliens a year that are arrested on our southern border trying to cross from mechanic coe. Never mind mexico. Never mind mexican and Central American [inaudible] ilLegal Immigration mix up well over half of this book, and talking about immigration. Immigration. Yeah, yeah. So lets just talk about bostons a sanctuary city. Our neighborhoods have been plagued by fentanyl. Our children have been caught up in adduction and overdoses addiction and overdoses and crime, and it really, i think, has a lot of people around here certainly know the pain of ilLegal Immigration because of the drug crisis. Were one of the worst states in the country. Can you talk about, how all Legal Immigration and crime have gone together . Okay. So the book breaks up immigration into four sections. Youre talking about crime, the economy and culture. Those are the three ways we break down Legal Immigration. So when it comes to the situation in europe and what we mentioned before is we dont live in a bubble. So in the United States and several of our western allies try to overthrow assad in syria, what happened . There was massive waves of ilLegal Immigration into europe. One thing always affects the orr. The Swiss Peoples Party that has been leading the government since 1999 became the lead party because we saw [inaudible] kosovo, and refugees caused a backlash are. So lets move to the United States with. In the United States, you have a situation that when it comes to crime, the problem detailing the United States and crime when it comes to immigration is we have very, very little draw eta. In a nation like denmark, for example, they will tell you someone is a criminal is the child of a legal immigrant. In the United States we break down between citizen and noncitizen, so its very, very hard to understand. Noncitizens are underrepresented in certain crimes, like they are underrepresented in murder, but they are overrepresented in many, many, many crimes like Identity Theft and drug crimes. And the think about arer tapes answer is just e libertarians answer is legalize drugs. [laughter] be a libertarian, be drugged out. I think the problem really that when it comes to ilLegal Immigration, 1986 we got the am necessary few e from ronald reagan, and then it was supposed to stop. And we had two institutions that really fought against that. One is Big Government which sat there and said, no, especially for democrats, this works in our favor. These peoples children will become democrats. It will be good, and well have the sympathetic stories of, you know, the illegal alien crying as theyre being reported. And for republicans, this is good for big agriculture, and big agriculture fed this monster. In 1996 or 7. Barbara jordan, democratic congresswoman from texas created a commission on how to create more prosperity in the black community, and she said you need to reduce ilLegal Immigration, and bill clinton said ill do it, and the person who stopped it were the republicans. Newt gingrich and paul ryans mentor, jack kemp. Those are the people that stopped. And had they done that, trump probably would have never been president. Our numbers would have been much lower, and the massive fact of immigration on our cultural landscape, Everything Else would have duh minished. Its diminished. Especially bad in communities like los angeles where theres ethnic conflict between gangs. Besides that, it doesnt get any broad and national news, and im sure you know [inaudible] georgia jamiel shaw. A young africanamerican man who was up and coming football tar, great academic, and he was murdered in the neighborhood where he grew up while husband mother was serving our children in iraq. Got out of jail that day, multiple arrests for gun charges and was arrested again. And his dad had to call his mom to tell them their son was murdered. Did al sharpton come to the rescue . Did black lives matter . No one came. There was absolute silence by every other community because it actually was just two years ago, i wrote about this, that there was i heard the name, it was a little l. A. Gang that was throwing molotov cocktails in the homes of black communities, and they were picking out the bedrooms in which black children slept. The l. A. Times reported it, silence across the media. Had that been new other situation, it would have gotten national anticipation. But because it e [inaudible] their ideology so much, we bring this out in the book. Because the media is so liberal and white specifically, white liberals, and theres been Research Done about this, are the only group in this country to have a negative bias toward their own kind. So black americans, hispanic americans, white americans, they look at fellow racial groups, and they have warm feelings. Its completely natural. White liberals look at other white people and have a feeling of bias. It is the only, only, only group in this country to do it. And because the media finish. [inaudible] they cant sit down there and break down those narratives. Sorry, go ahead. [inaudible conversations] ilLegal Immigration. We have Unemployment Rate hovering between 1316 . The Trump Administration is doing everything they can to keep the economy chugging along. We have 18. 2 million nativeborn out of work, 4. 3 Million Immigrants out of work. We have 916,000 work visas still being issued in the city of boston we have 58,000 opt studentses, those are students who have a special visa, come to school in boston, and they get a tax break if you hire them afterwards. Is so you spent all this time putting money in a 529 plan so your son can go to bu or bc, or if youre lucky enough harvard, and theres tax incentive for businesses to hire immigrants over your son or daughter. So can you talk about and i i know you want to get on the illegal too. Well, i want to ask this question because i approached this from the perspective of a foreign immigrant. I used to do a lot of work with the unions, and i would, i new one of do when i first started to fragment from the party, i would look at [inaudible] and i asked myself why does the Teachers Union care about ilLegal Immigration . Why does the Teachers Union care about Legal Immigration . Why do they care about lgbt marriages . The list goes on and on. I would think that the union would be most interested in the wages and the safety and wellbeing of their work forbes of their membership. But theres been this wild politicization on the left that every Major Institution in washington that leans left has ascribed to whether its the media, unions, the bug think tanks or members of congress. And its that we need to engage in the wholesale transformation of the demographics of the United States of america. I think they realized they couldnt win necessarily along ideological lines purely, and they set out to transform the financial and the demographic makeup of this country. I think thats what this largely is. Now, in terms of Legal Immigration, we go into this a lot in the book with visas, it comes down to one financial interest of every Big Corporation in this country. Whether its an airconditioning manufacturer in indiana or the tech company in silicon valley, if they can import cheaper labor for even a high skilled job, theyre going to do everything, and theyre going to invest as much power and money as the return on investment justifies to import that cheap labor. You want to touch on that . Yeah. So immigrations really important, and i i think so well talk about the three things, one which is,es which is income in economics. The reason that we have Mass Immigration is simply because the corporations buy our politicians, and i think sit there and they they sit there. Ive spoken to the Trump Administration many times and the people in the administration about this and the question always comes down to, well, businesses dont like it. There is a thinking in washington now, there are a few congressmen, there are a fewed good senators, a few good people in the Trump Administration. But it is, its a catastrophe, its a machine. And i think that and weve lost it. For the most part, weve lost it. We havent been able to execute on wholesale [inaudible] so the Trump Administration has been very good on ilLegal Immigration. Fundamentally ended catch and release. We did get 280 miles of border wall built, which is something. Its not nothing, we did something. We did get the [inaudible] agreement which reduced massive ilLegal Immigration. All of those things are fantastic for ilLegal Immigration, and interior deportations did go up slightly. The one thing we didnt get is Legal Immigration because of financial interests and control a lot of washington and a lot of other things. There is a political definition called postdemocracy which is where you go and you vote, and then the people inside the machines do whatever they want regardless. I dont think were there yet. The e. U. Is definitely, the European Union is certainly a postdemocracy. They dont care at all what their voters say. Its remarkable, actually, when you look at it. But, you know, i think that, i think that trump is the closest weve ever gotten, and i know in his heart he sits there and he says and i know he believes fundamentally that we need to [inaudible] were supposed to get an executive order this week. I know that all the usual suspects are fighting against it tooth and nail, leaking to the media, leaking to the chamber of commerce, doing everything they possibly can to stop him and to run hum over and tell him youre going to ruin your reelection, youre going to cause the economy to crash, its the same line. And what they do is they hire all the same people from all the same institutions, and its a greek chorus. So they just hear the echo over and over, and they hope they attach themselves to it. So well see. I think the biggest thing is culture when it comes to immigration, and i think thats what affects it most. There was, oh, gosh, i cant remember the name of it. What was that city in california im totally ruining my reference. There was a big city in california where all major hiphop artists came out of compton. Compton. [laughter] its been a long week. Well, do you guys know that comptons almost 80 mexican now, latin american and hispanic in Maxine Waters will be the last black person to ever represent compton. Its not black anymore. That culture gone forever. And its the, you know, when white upbies move into a yuppies move into a neighborhood, gentrification makes 500 different headlines. When massive immigration alters character of cities and neighborhoods that have a long culture of American Culture whether they be black or white, anding obviously, in that culture black mississippi delta are much different than blacks from l. A. Bull the most [inaudible] most generalities, rather. We never have that conversation. We dont ever because were always afraid of being called racist. Thats what they label you as to shut you up. You cant have a conversation. We sit there and talk about culture, and we break down and theres tons of different studies about this. When you invoke mass diversity on a people that do not want with it and do not accept it, what happens social trust goes down not only among those, not only do you not trust people who look different than you less, you trust people who look the same as you less. And your willingness to invest in institutions goes down. Now, who is the least trusting group of people in america of each other in the generation z, the most diverse. We sit there and we celebrate diversity. And diversity can be great. Not all immigrations bad, not all immigrants are bad, and certainly control over long periods of time where people assimilate is is great. It makes the fabric of our country. But in 1965 we passed the immigration act thank you, ted kennedy. Thank you, ted kennedy, and it was a highspeed rail. And this constant narrative we have in this country about nation and immigrants from 19241965, we put a hold on most immigration practices. We assimilated. We went through a world war together and the korean war and, you know, mass media and our international highway system, and we grew more tolerant of one another. Things happen to make us more one country. Its not easy and it doesnt happen by accident, and its really easy to break down. Sweden and finland were the same country for 800 years, and they couldnt make it run are. And, i mean, theyre practically e the same people. So sitting there is and creating a tower of babel and say it will all work because americas a nation of ideas is, no offense, bull crap. It just is. It took us a long time to get here to make ourselves, you know, a commonality to be an American People. It doesnt happen by accident. Its very, very difficult. So the book breaks down really the transformation on a cultural level and why that caused a backlash. And that was a bigger backlash in favor of donald trump than even the economic or the crime issue. And, you know, the percentage of americans who feel like theyre a stranger in their own country something youve seen in country after country after country after country whether it be brazil or chile or utley. It happens all italy. It happens all over the place. Civilization is so fragile and so easy to destroy that i think its really important. I think the book is important because [inaudible] so you can theyre all footnoted. I is have ton of were nerds as much as were college dropouts, so [laughter] so we have lots of facts in there. So if you feel this way but you cant really describe it, you dont really know kind of how to make the argument, this book, i think, puts you in the right direction. Thank you very much. Well, im going the ask shelby to collect the questions, and while shes collecting the questions, hand your questions forward, we are going to, im going to ask maureen [inaudible] one of the angel moms to ask a question, because i know she prepared one. So, maureen, if youll [inaudible] and everybody else, if you could hand your questions forward to me, id appreciate it. So as lou said, im an angel mom. My son matthew was killed by an illegal alien, and President Trump ran in 2016 a big part of his Campaign Platform was all Legal Immigration. And he involved a lot of the angel parents as he traveled around the country. It till is a very important issue to many, many americans. And at that time he had a 10point immigration plan. And a big part of that plan was cutting off the madness that attracts illegal aliens to come to our cup. He was going to cut off the benefits [inaudible] citizenship. So my question is do you think President Trump has been influenced by those around him and is softening on these issues of the [inaudible] that brought illegal aliens here . What is your opinion on that . Do you want to go first . [inaudible conversations] okay. Well, first, im so sorry about your loss. Thats horrible. Yes, or yes. The thing that i think when it comes to President Trump is, and ill be frank because i have no friends in washington so i dont care, the thing about President Trump is when it came to the hiring practices early on, Steven Miller obviously, everyone knows who he is really aggressively pushed out a lot of immigration hawks because, in my estimation, i believe hes a sociopath. And he pushed out a lot of people who could have been an ally to him and how he stands as one of the only people in the room because he wanted to make himself indispensable to the president. And at the same exact time, you have a lot of people who are different voices. So lets take ending the benefits towards sanctuary cities which i am a supporter of. But then youll have somebody who sits there and says, well, if you do that, you make new york city a more like lu terrorist target likely terrorist target because they need federal funds for antiterrorism activities. I understand where theyre coming from, but my point is theres not a uniform voice inside the administration, and there could have been had things gone differently. And it wasnt just Steven Miller. It was one of many people inside the administration that purposely pushed out immigration hawks. He has done some things very well like [inaudible] in mexico. Our Border Crossing numbers are down to, like, 18,000 apprehensions are down 18,000 a month where before they were over 100,000 a month. Theyre at husband to have thetic lows. Historic lows. That was very, very, very crucial. I know there are other things that he could do that he hasnt done. I know that the executive order [inaudible] i dont know why it was never signed. I couldnt tell you. But that is, i think in the right settings President Trump really does believe that americans are being shafted and americans got the raw side of the steak on many, many, many issues. I just think that when youre constantly being told if you do something, youre going to crash the economy or youre going to lose reelection, youre told it over and over and over, he gets hesitant. And i think but i do believeing i do know for a fact that theyre working on this executive order, and it may be very, very good and hopefully it is, and i know hes being pressured to do the right things now, and hopefully for the promises he made to people like you and. [inaudible] at the end of the day, hes always going to be a billionaire. Hes always going to be a rich guy. And the Campaign Promises he made, its not like the clintons who went on to make 100 million after they ranch the promises he made were really for people like you and People Like Us and people who really needed to sit this and believe in something because we had been so badly lost for the presidencies of bush, clinton, bush, obama. And its been, you know, constant cycles of that. So thats my estimation of what goes on in the white house. Its not the greatest thing, but i do know there are more good people around him than there were a year ago. I will give you that. If he wins reelection, i do belief were going to see a big transformation within the deep state to actually bring good people there, because i know people who are working on bringing people there, and i know people who are getting ready to go inside the white house, the administration. So so if he wins a second term, im feeling confident thingses will be moving in a better direction. And ill just say this, ive found that its, this is always true with President Trump, but its been exacerbate by coronavirus. I think that when he is at his best when hes outside of washington. When hes feeling the vibe from the crowd and hes speaking to angel moms like yourself, and part of it is not being around that what did you call it . The greek chorus . The greek chorus of the white house. Yeah. Part of it is being outside that bubble. But part of it is, i think, also reconnecting him to his words because i think he really does thrive on that. I think that motivates him. It shows him that theres this world beyond the poll numbers that hes seeing which are negative. And so im really excited that hes breaking out of that. There will be one im going to forecast, there will be one major change that results from him getting back out on the campaign trail, and its that [inaudible] back in 2015 and 2016 when President Trump with was at his best when he came out with similar controversial plans, its when he was driving the narrative in the media. When he was setting the agenda. Whether it was speaking to angel moms or his controversial muslim ban. Whatever it was, no matter how controversial it was, it was undoubtable that President Trump was leading the National Media he created the narratives. He created it. And he has completely lost that now. And so i predict that now hes going to get back out there, itll change. I hope that answered your question. Were going to go to the speed round. Alex test beck. Were going to try to get everyones question. Yeah, be quick. First thought that comes to mind, go ahead. [laughter] what do you say when someone calls you a racist . I mean its a great question. Okay, next. Like [laughter] i cant prove anything to you, so i dont want care. If thats the charge im getting, youre really not going to listen to me to begin with. I dont believe in the antiracist movement. Im not a part of that movement, im just not a racist. Like, black americans matter as much as white americans do and their culture being lost by Mass Immigration and their wages are being depressed and i dont have a problem. Its not a race issue. And if it was a race issue, then the voters of london the voters of england wouldnt be getting angry at Mass Immigration from poland. Chile e januaries against other south americans. It is not a racial issue, it is a cultural issue. So if theyre going to sit this and say youre racist, okay, fine. Were not going to have a meaningful conversation and, next. Like, i dont give a crap. Sorry. [laughter] im not in it to win friends and be, you know, be everyones best friend. Harlan, what do you say . Yeah. I think id take a similar tactic that id sort of ignore them. Ive never been someone to block or mute friends on social media. Its really disheartening, actually, that weve totally abdicated the principles of classical liberalism, you know . We dont engage in debate, conversation like this. Yeah. You know, we shout down, cancel, try to ruin the lives and careers and reputations everyones favorite hobby is ruining someones life, so i refuse [inaudible conversations] you know, saying dear cword, its either someone who hates me or my brother. [laughter] so im not going to engage. Ill be like, whatever. So okay. [laughter] [inaudible] was almost driven out of office because they say he took on extraordinary [inaudible] to combat covid19 just a little coronavirus. [laughter] youll be fine. And now were, the question is he was accused of being a fascist. And this person who wrote this question is asking how does populism succeed with a gang of nine blackrobed justices that wants to make [inaudible] yeah, this is a great one, especially with the Supreme Court being so horrible this week. There is a guy named adrian [inaudible] im totally messing up his last name, and he has an idea of having common good constitutionalism which is a new term for me, so im probably botching the understanding of it. [inaudible] the gist is hes a harvard lawyer. Yeah. Hes not a dumb person at all. Many, many more degrees than harlan and i combined. But he, his basic understanding we should do something we shouldnt do something specifically because it is an original u. S. Interpretation of the constitution, we should be pushing what is for the common good of everybody. So dont worry about being an originalist, be worried about being a common good constitutionalist. And i think that really may be a trend for the future. I mean, Federalist Society just, they lost a lot of cases this week that i think are really important and that they dont i dont know if theyll have faith in them anymore. And, you know, getting a replacement for ruth bader ginsburg, what happened in theyre just like john roberts. He makes Teddy Kennedy look like antonin scalia. [laughter] actually, this reminds me of something that steve bannon describes trumps victory as the most highly leveraged hostile takeover of any organization in the history of humanity. And what i was hoping would come out of this movement, what would come out of the early days of the Trump Administration wasnt just a great presidency, but i hoped that a thriving culture would emerge in washington of think tanks, media organizations that reflected this movement. Right . It wasnt enough to just take over the establishment of, the carcass of the duing old Republican Party dying old Republican Party. Because, unfortunately, a lot of people that were part of the problem before trump took over were still there after he took over. And the Federalist Society, look at some of these other heritage, texas policy something or other. Yeah. Just throw it out there, it probably exists. Yeah. Lindsey graham. But this is an important point. This is important because they drive a hot of discussion and a road map for washington moving forward. Yeah. I think the most important thing people can learn from the Trump Presidency is personnel is powell. Yes. Its very important to understand that. The person whos undersecretary of some other department really has a lot more power than you think he does, and that is why some departments in the administration are very good. Lighthizer over at trade is fantastic. Peter navarro yeah. And thats and also, look, you have dhs which is hostile President Trump from, you know, beginning to end. And thats, i think, personnel finish and thats whew we need to create policy, think tanks that become the heritage foundations of the world. All right were failing the lightning round. Yeah, were not good at that. Youre doing just great. And you both [inaudible] on twitter. Why dont you tell people your twitter handles so that they can follow you, and also what web sites and blogs do you recommend for somebody that wants to know more about populists and nationalism . Is so my twitter handle is ryan girdusky, i just forgot i almost forgot the spelling of my name. [laughter] little known fact, j. D. Vances quote on the back of the book misspell my name, and i was in charge of checking the proofreading of it. [laughter] for most of my problems in life. Okay. So i have a National Populism newsletter. Its free. I do it every single sunday, its at ryan girdusky. Com. Its news from around the world and different web sites and different places to sit there and find it. And what web sites do i go to . I really love antiwar. Com, breitbart, and im trying to think of other places that are original. But those are can i mean, i do spend time reading [inaudible] my twitter handle is harlan. You got that right. I can pell my name. [laughter] i bought that handle for 100 when twitter first came out. I was like, you know, im probably throwing away this 100, ill never use anything, ill never use it. And its turned out to be so convenient for my own personal branding. I dont have to put in any dashes or periods, things like that. But, you know, i read a lot of breitbart, i love ryans newsletter. Hah ream ca sam would kill me if i didnt want tell you the national pulse. Com which is his startup media web site. I was talking about this previously, you know, i was hoping that more news organizations and think tank it is would come out of this era of trump, and im hoping that maybe people in this room or people watching on television will invest the time to, you know, write themselves. Yeah. We have a whole section about the media and how basically the number one way to become a journalist in washington was to have everything trump predict be wrong. So our social media is very relevant right now. Yeah, absolutely. Well, you did fail at the lightning round. I know. Thats okay, we loved it. Were going to kind of wind this up, and in the prologue of the book, i is have two questions [inaudible] and you also [inaudible] whyd you thank him . Oh. Well, first of all [inaudible] he would never let me live it down, you know . I think that he wishes that husband name was up there his name was up there. He was in charge of the war room in the Brexit Debate for nigel farage, and hes come to the United States, and hes a commentator on a blog on, excuse me, a podcast called war wound. Org. Steve bannon. Well, you know, it took me a while to write that because really its important, you know . Who knows how many books youll write in your lifetime, you know . And, you know, as im sure is the case with many of you, my parents sacrificed immensely to put us through school and all the practices and, you know, both sports and debate. I was a nerd in high school to do that got me to this point, so, you know, health care [inaudible] not quite on that level. Right. You thank your participants parents, and you thank your sixth grade too mucher i think shes alive. I hope she is. I hated school. When i was in the third grade, i told my parents im ready to drop out. I know everything i need to know, adults are idiots, im good. And ms. Andola got me to like a subject, which was history. I really hated every single subject. I was a kid who was finding ways to get out of school every chance i had, and he made me like history. Thank you, wherever you are. Thank you. We have a wonderful light with ryan and harlan in the heat, the first heat that weve felt in boston. Want to thank everyone whos watching on cspan booktv and everyone whos tuning in on the louvre stream, and why dont we take it out with a nice round of applause. [applause] heres a look at some Publishing Industry news. Last week the Justice Department filed a claim for the royalties associated with former Trump AdministrationNational Security adviser john boltons recent back book about his time in the white house. The motion, which would include mr. Boltons 2 million advance, argues that the week was release the was released before the must bely case review. Grammatical mistakes were made bid editors or typesetters and do not reflect hemingways original intelligent. Also in the news intelligent. Print book sales were up 20 for the week ending july 25th. Adult nonfiction sales rose 23 and were led by mary trumps book critical of the president titled too much and never enough. And following the lead of other upcoming book festivals, the brooklyn book festival has announced its going to be held virtually from september 28thoctober 5th. The 15th annual literary event will feature over 150 authors. Booktv will continue to bring you new programs and publishing news. You can also watch our archived programs anytime at booktv. Org. During a virtual author program, Lindsay Chervinsky with the White House Historical association discussed the formation of George Washingtons president ial cabinet. Heres a portion of her talk. Washington really doesnt get enough credit for being politically savvy, for having good leadership skills, for being very actively involved in the president ial process. And as i sort of mentioned with the councils leadership, he was dealing with some really big personalities. They were loud, they were sometimes arrogant, thaw had their own ambitions, thaw had their own ideas about how to do things including charles lee who famously liked to bring in his pack of hounds which i as a dog lover personally think is great, but anyone who knows hounds knows they can be quite loud and perhaps not conducive to a good meeting environment. So just a really colorful, boisterous environment. And he had to manage all of those personalities. And when washington was president , he certainly had fewer people, but he had to manage in a small space. But anyone whos seen hamilton knows that hamilton and jefferson really, really didnt like each other and really didnt get along. And so that management was crucial. The other reason the management was is so important was because washington was setting precedent in every single action he was taking. Everything from how to correspond with the secretaries or how to interact with congressmen, how to respond to an average person on the street, what sort of social events to take place. And is so someone who was capable of managing these details and managing the people beneath him was crucial when youre talking about laying out a governing structure that isnt in the constitution and isnt passed in legislation. So that management becomes essential. To watch the rest of this program, visit our web site, become booktv. Org, and search the cabinet. Heres a look at some books that are being published this week. In how ike led, Susan Eisenhower examines her grandfather, dwight eisenhowers, leadership style and the important decisions he made during his presidency. Journalist linda lopez edits a collection of essays that look at the politics and congressional tenure of alexandria ocasiocortez in aoc. And former executive assistant to President Trump madeleine westerhouse explain why she lost her job and what shes learned from that experience in off the record. Also being published this week, in making sense, best selling author sam harris shares conversations on politics and philosophy from his popular podcast. Gene guerrero dean get rare owe get area owe in the book hate monger. And Los Angeles Times business columnist on the creation of the transcontinental railroad, the impact it had on the financial world on iron empires. Find these titles this coming week wherever books are sold and watch for many of the authors in the near future on booktv on cspan2. Up next, its booktvs monthly in Depth Program with author and Robin Hood Foundation ceo wes moore. His books include the other wes moore, the work searching for a life that matters, and five days the fire true reckoning of an american industry which looks back at baltimore rue yachts following the death of freddie gray. We are pleased this month to be joined by wes moore,