History center website. As lisa and i are talking can please submit your question you can use the q a feature at the bottom of your screen. I will try to integrate as many as i possibly can as time allows. We will be broadcasting excerpts of the interview on on Second Thought this friday. You will hear me do bid to keep consistent sound while we are going. Im so excited to speak with lisa napoli, who got her first journalism job at cnn after interning at cnn new york and dc bureaus as a teenager. Shes a reporter for the new york times, marketplace msnbc and many other outlets stop shes the author of two previous books radio shangrila and ray and joan, thats about the man who made the mcdonalds fortune and the woman who gave it all away. Lisa, thank you so much for being with us, really excited about talking about the book. Back at you. Thank you so much. I use the Atlanta History Center for research so im delighted to be virtually with the constituency now. We are glad to have you. I think its difficult probably for some of the people watching to imagine life before news was accessible all the time. Or what Television News even look like before cnn wants four years ago. This idea of 24 hour, 24 7 Cable News Network before cnn. Until ted turner turned the switch on channel 17 on west peachtree street on all night, there was no tv all night. It really is hard for people to imagine but before cable had come along and before ted had the idea, television stopped usually after the late movie. It was off all night until it fluttered on at dawn. The idea of an allnews or all anything channel was like a spaceship from mars. Crazy and unimaginable. The man behind the moonshot ted turner, people of a certain vintage no wb pg channel 17 here in atlanta made him a legendary figure here also owning the Atlanta Braves helped a lot. His early life maybe not so well known. He inherited the business of billboard business from his father, hard drinking, womanizing, what were some of the early signs of the unfiltered persistent risk loving entrepreneur he became . Sciences good word because he was in the billboard business. He would do things ive heard from a number of people that he would stomp on peoples desks and say, by add time from me even though they had no idea who he was or why they should spend money on add time from him. He was a very colorful and no filter person who was persistent. Its a classic business story, entrepreneur story, he did it take no for an answer, he didnt let anything defeat him. Even the fact that nobody was watching his television station that he spent money he really didnt have on. This business he started, also started with tragedy he was left holding the reins after his father killed himself. He was just 24 years old at that time. Started buying radio stations and then the first uhs station, w dcg channel 17, give us a sense of of how fringe e cable stations were at that point when he bought it. I dont know whos out there but for people who might remember the time when you had to get up off the couch and turn a dial to tune in a station and maybe have rabbit ears on top of the television to just precisely tune in a station, uhs versus vhs, they called it the lunatic fringe it was very hard to tune in. Even if you had the right devices. There was very little bearing on it they had to scramble for programming. It sounds glamorous to buy a television station but that kind of television station was really sort of another land at that time. Men who got into the business mostly men were real risktakers and hoping it might get parlayed into a different sort of tv. So for ted to take the chance to get into that business was just wild in and of itself. Then to do things like woo away the braves and start putting others sporting events on the channel and crazy things, crazy movies that no one else would air, crazy commercials and bill touches legendary. His crazy newscast all of that combined to create a television station people slowly but surely started tuning in although they didnt always admit it. Tell us a little bit more especially for people who dont know im sure people who knew bill touch on the air, as part of the licensing to run a television station you needed to show a certain amount of Public Affairs on the air. Ted was decidedly antinews which is why this story is such a great story. He was in a abhe wasnt a crusading news fellow at all. Bill touch was a young announcer a young radio announcer who basically stumbled into the station. It is out there, say hello bill. He stumbled into the station and with all these other young folk who were just tantalized by the prospect of television he basically had been this guy who drew the short straw as the station announcer who had to do the requisite newscast and its evolved over time into a fallen requisite newscast that was not like any other. Now we have lampoons in the news all the time. He and the crew in the middle of the night, it aired in the middle of the night, did a jokey newscast because they didnt want to do a serious one and they had to persuade their boss, the station manager combat was okay to do this as it would fulfill the fcc requirements for news. It became, they did it tongueincheek from themselves but it turned out the station was being fed out around the southeast and ultimately around the nation. It became the sort of signature or one of the signatures of the entire station. Georgia championship wrestling. One critic because of the masterpiece of bad taste. The television station. But i want to get to where you talked about that it started being broadcast outside the states and fcc rule change in 1972 which meant bill touch started getting fan mail from outside of iona. For us now even those of us who remembers those days, its so hard to imagine a time when theres just a few stations. When most of them went off at night, if you were left up at night in kansas and there was bill t. O. S. H. A. The middle of the night doing funny things, seemed like it was live, wow, you kept watching it because you are so thankful there was a late night movie and bill touch to entertain you. It was a proof of concept without them calling it that, basically ted, this story is really the perfect marriage and i love that its centered in atlanta and not in a typical Media Capital like los angeles or new york or dc. Ted and his merry band of tv folk together with the moment in time the technology allowed, pumping out what they were doing first locally, then regionally, then nationally and showing the power of 24 hour news. The power of cable, which is a very unsexy thing and in trouble right now. But then it was like the internet. It was like the tesla of television at that time that allowed tv to wrap up, god help us, to new heights. It was also a shot across the bow at the three Major Networks that had been deciding what news was and should have been a pretty long time that created this wild west. Ted turner walked in but as you said, he was not a news guy. And considered a downer, what is the appeal for him starting in all news 24 hour station . Once he got word that a little upstart called Home Box Office was playing around with cable the same way that he was playing around with cable, that is, going more regionally than just the typical area where it was licensed, when he heard about this guy jerry lubin and his hbo and how they were going to beam it up to satellite and broadcast it around the nation, he wanted to do that too. He knew if jerry lubin was gonna do it with movies and movies were tough because you had to license it and get the rights to them, he wanted to do it may be with sports, if he did it with sports it would cannibalize the main ingredients of channel 17. He thought, maybe i will do it with music and someone said, thats a dumb idea. No one will ever watch music on television, so finally, the last grasp of what he could do with this technology, it really was a way to use the new technology was news. All news radio had just started bubbling up in some markets, somebody thought that might be interesting. Even though that wasnt his thing, that was his entrce into using the satellite as a way to spread a station throughout the nation. And often news has no copyright. Its expensive to produce but they found the cheapest way to produce it and thats the next part of the story. Heres a question from gm who says i really enjoyed the book since wtc g started doing jokey news late at night to fulfill the fcc requirements for Public Service programming, did anyone at the fcc take notice they were doing comedy risks on Current Events rather than straight news . And never noticed anything that suggested that. Maybe if somebody out there knows but there are no records from that station, everything i found was cobbled together from people personals archives. But i never found anything. I think part of that is part and parcel in the fact that nobody really cared. Nobody was paying that close attention. As a general manager there the station manager said pike apparently he was a steer grown up on premises. He basically took issue with it. Bill said, nobody ever said theres a rule that it has to be serious. So they managed to get away with it. I think a lot of it there was not that much oversight of those stations at that moment in time because so many of them came and went. People went out of business with them. Ted picked up another one in a fire sale in charlotte because the man who started that just couldnt make it add up. They were just really lunatic french. There is a serious news man in Baltimore Sean belted journalist who thinks that wtc d schlocky programming is everything thats wrong with Television News. Hes got a vision far beyond the victory networks. What is his vision and how does ted turner come into it . We sean feld embodies a number of men at the time who were trying to book those networks. For years people have been trying to pierce that network stranglehold on not just the news but on entertainment. The problem always was that it was impossible to bust through because they owned it literally the airwaves. Reese had been struggling at various jobs over the years to figure out how to do it as had some other men and basically hed been trying to sell news to ted for wtc g as an independent for years. He had a news service he was involved with and he thought that one that he started one previous to the one he started that he was involved with he just wanted ted to get on board the other independent stations around the country had an ted kept saying no absolutely not. I hate the news i will never do news. When ted did decide to do news, thats who he called was reese and reese was hardcore news as ted was antinews. They made a very unusual pair but they both had the same goal in mind and that was busting the conventional system of the networks. Someone just commented that ted was known to say he was cable before cable was cool. He didnt actually say that until the early 80s after cable did start getting cool because up until the point it was cool, nobody understood or cared, even the people who worked for him for the large part thought he was crazy. The other thing he did that i havent mentioned yet is along with bill tosh and play movies and sports no one would buy these commercials time from him so he got into this direct mail, today we go on the internet we can order something in a second it will be at the door in a couple hours but back then if you could go if you could watch Television Commercial for a product like a ginsu knife and order it and get it delivered, and also besides convenient it was utilitarian. Those kinds of ads were the mainstay of teds broadcasting and as he was able to get that station out more and more and even cnn at the beginning it was able to prove people were watching because orders were coming in from all over the United States and also the caribbean. There was mail coming in that evidence, because there were no ratings, there was a hunger to watch this stuff. Would get up at a point in the caribbean because this comes into the story a little bit later. Teds renegade reputation was wellestablished by then. One critic actually says the idea of him starting a new station was like attila the hun running summer camp for the elderly. [laughter] there are so many great in this because he such a colorful character. Theres a wonderful scene where reese comes in and meets him at his ramshackle station the place where rain and snow comes through when there is no snow comes through the roof. Its a bit of a dive. They talk about what it would actually take to create a news station. Can you give us a little sense of that conversation . Basically they were at odds because reese couldnt imagine you would start a new station in a place like atlanta in the late 1970s. Ted wanted it to be in atlanta. He didnt really understand exactly what he wanted to have audit except that he wanted to have this channel. Reese was very excited about the idea of finding a start. They felt they needed some sort of journalistic credibility because teds reputation at that point was super wild. He was yachtsman of the year he was publicly drunk, he was publicly crazy all over the place with women. They needed somebody sobering and reese said, i think we should try to go after dan rather, it wasnt entirely clear who dan rather was to ted turner. Thats how checked out of the news world he was. That story comes from reese, i dont know that its absolutely true but i believe it in the sense that ted just did it watch the news. It wasnt important to him. And running around with his lady friend. It wasnt very clear he would know who the most famous news man in america at that point or second after Walter Cronkite would be maybe possibly someone that could go after because he had another show, dan rather, cbs had cut back on another show that dan rather did. Reese is pretty sure that they had enough money they could woo him. He was very confident. That was part of the challenge they were in atlanta. This is far away from new york or los angeles and Television Capital that were there at that time. The other challenge is, reese wrote he never produced an hour of lifestyle and he is signing up to do this 24 7 network. 365 days a year. A real hassle to find that entered this abandoned country club into an elaborate set and new term. What does it mean to bring people to atlanta . What kind of challenges . Also to add to your point, it still was not entirely clear that anybody would watch this. Even veteran newspeople saw that this was an intoxicating proposition. A lot of people just saw this enrages outrageously insane at that point watching news is like eating your vegetables. Back to your question, basically ted found as a location or his people found an old left for dead country club at tech wood. It was the old Progressive Club that had been sitting there for years, it was maybe going to be developed, maybe not. They had to retrofit this old club with rats in it pretty quickly in order to have it ready. Satellite dishes had to be installed in the there were huge they were not common. He was going to have the largest array of satellite dishes ever excelled at that point. It also besides the equipment, and theres a lot of story here about the changing technology was the human resources. Convincing people to moved to atlanta for not too much money for something that might not work basically reset his folks one of his cheap producers he may be on the call too. They decided what they needed to do was get cheap labor. Young people were willing to work for less than minimum wage all for the chance to have the starry eyed moment in television we couldnt get because there were only three networks in a few hours of news produced everyday so there was no chance for them to get work if they were at the crcme de la crcme. So thats what they did. Several of the men including Ted Cavanaugh went out and went to Journalism School and rallied around people and, meanwhile, hundreds of tapes were streaming in to the makeshift quarters on west peachtree street because there were people in local news who were dying to have the chance to be on air or produce network news, there werent that many opportunities at the actual network. There were people who were willing to put their life on hold. The other thing that happened that was also incredibly unusual at the time hiring couples was verboten. Or keeping couples, if you met your husband or a guy at the television station you worked at, one of you would have to leave. If reese could get a twoforone, a couple may be one of the camera person and one was an anchorwoman, he went for it. They were invested in the place because everybody was marching toward this deadline of june 1, 1980. And pitching in, wiring the tech wood drive facility if they needed to, helping the tax. Basically making it all up. We do know that they did pass on one upcoming journal named oprah winfrey, charlie rose although they were able to stop the story is remarkable of how they got this going in a year. Its like a startup before startups actually happen. Operating like a Training Camp for tech. This crackles with excitement this frat house as it is. How fresh were those stories when people told them to you . Some people held back the really fun drugs and sex stories is still here about now especially now that the book is actually out. Because it was a big wild toga party apparently. Everybody who i talked to was so thrilled to be sharing that moment in time. What are they stayed in television or scurried out of the business after a year. They all had a memorable incredible experience because how often do you get to build something completely new and in many ways i think it ruined a lot of people because after you have that thrill of building something from scratch, Everything Else in the aftermath is going to feel feel hohum. Youre wedging into existing structure. This book was so much fun to write in part because there was no clearcut obvious source cnn did it help me in any way it even if they had, i wouldnt have relied entirely on what they had to say because this is so completely not a corporate book. Its so on corporate. Its not the message you want to get out about a place that it mightve failed that all the people who came there didnt know what the heck was going on. It wasnt a clearcut blueprint it was a majestic experiment and could have been a tremendous accident. We are talking about lisa up in the book up all night ab talking with lisa napoli under book up all night. Question from ricky, the book was wonderful for me pending emory in the early to mid 80s like having a front row seat to turner and cnn. What if anything didnt make the book you wouldve like to include it. In other words, was the trump edit . More about drugs and sex. It really wasnt supposed to be completely tawdry but i think i was very proud that i was able to distill this very concentrated moment in time. I know i left things out but i cant think of anything major that i felt wow, i wish i couldve been able to wedge that in, the sense of excitement is really what i wanted to convey and makes me very happy if somebody feels it was there. I dont know if im stealing your line of questioning by saying one of the biggest things i found, i wasnt sure i would be able to find, was when ted turner went to cuba to visit fidel castro, who apparently had been pirating the signal almost from inception of the channel i was very delighted ted turners staff and office made a copy of the video for me because i wanted to see it for archival purposes to understand their interactions at the head of the tv network even the new one most people didnt know would make the trek to cuba about enemy number one at the time or one of the avowed enemies of the United States. And canoodle with fidel castro and his private island. That was a fascinating twist in the book. He was basically a conservative the fact that he accepted the invitation, why do you think he did . Think he was dazzled a world leader was actually watching what he brought. Its a thrill if you make something you know well somebody consumes it it was so uncertain and hed gone through so many obstacles, which i detail in the book that couldve killed cnn before it even started. Even once it started its what we would call a soft launch now because it wasnt guaranteed it was going to keep going. It was only a couple million homes to start. The idea that all of a sudden even this about enemy of the United States was issuing invitation was incredibly flattering. I think on a certain level ted felt he was never really taken seriously in part because of his behavior now all of a sudden the idea that somebody who is enormously serious would be reaching out and wanting to talk was not only lifechanging for him in terms of the course he set cnn on after that but affirming for him too. They had to fight at cnn in the early days to even get themselves part of the White House Press pool. It seems like such an obvious thing now, especially since its an issue all the time but then it was not. It was not easy for anybody on the fringes of those networks to penetrate that very vaunted innercircle and all the sudden after that fight was actually basically still fighting it to have fidel castro say, id like to meet you is heavy. You presented as a very transformational moment in the life of ted turner that this television station at that time growing in leaps and bounds that fidel castro was pirating, there was cnn headline news, it was moving into Global Markets he began to see it as something more than just a moneymaker. More than a risk. Something that could actually change the world. How deep do you think that went for him . I think it went enormously deep. I think its also important and probably not the most captivating part of the story that while all of that growth you mentioned was going on, the world was changing simultaneously. Very hard for us to remember that that was a moment in time it wasnt just had experimented. Lots of other people were experimenting all over the world the technology was revolutionizing everything, all sorts of communication. He was able to as he marched on, penetrate more markets, more nations and he got hungry, the fever of that was a thrill for him that he was going to be this person using the wires that were wiring the world to transmit this force for good. That was intoxicating to him as well. Absolutely. How did cnn avoid hiring unit broadcast technician how important was that to cnn in the early days . Enormous. He never wouldve work without it. Thats another reason atlanta was an incredibly wonderful place. There were issues in new york and dc. They got around it by dropping out, and jobbing out to a third party it was controversial, it was one of the reasons of the White House Press pool didnt want cnn in it because they were using nonunion labor. There is no way cnn with the budget it had good ever have gotten off the ground at that moment in time. Im so glad someone brought this up because i love this character. Among the many characters in the early days abwe dont get to see his how long did he stay at cnn and what was his biggest impact . Will take the second part of it question first. Ted cavanaugh rally the troops. He literally was a ringleader. I was on cnn anniversary call and alumni call in honor of the 40th anniversary, which i forgot to mention is part of the reason the book came out when it did. To hear the reverence and adulation for ted all these years later, 40 years later, was magnificent. I knew people revere him, i knew he was this commanding presence, this commanding force. He basically got everybody motivated at a time when they really werent sure it was going to work. He wasnt even sure was going to work. It was magnificent a few weeks ago to see people the respect they gave him and the things they gave him that were delayed, they never had a chance to thank him before, that was a real privilege to watch that. Basically ted went on to start, Ted Cavanaugh, went on to start cnn two which became known as headlines which is another huge legacy of his for sure. Thats a whole book in itself and to the person who asked before what i left out there are many books afterwards from the time i chose to stop this because there was no way to write it all the time. Warner, aol, people of written wonderful books about it but cnn two and the creation of Ted Cavanaugh stories about the formation of cnn to our fantastic and after that he went and did some special project special reporting investigative reporting ran a unit for a while within cnn so he wasnt there terribly long time given that the place has been around for years but every Single Person along the way who interacted with him he is a memorable person and im honored and privileged to have gotten to know him and of course in writing this book and help tell the story because i think its really important. It was such a big deal. We know it went on air june a despite hiccups and a lot of old order News Organization lists cheering for its fall. But it is because cnn had to fill time that a crew is following, president reagan and Washington Hotel in march 1981 when he gets shot. Can you tell us why that was such a big. That was an amazing day, a year after cnn want on the air it was still only in several million homes. There still werent that many homes in the nation that could receive it because cable was cities were not wired for cable at that point. That twinned with the animosity of the networks and the jealousy and disbelief on the part of the networks and everybody would care about news 24 7 combined to make a perfect storm on march 30 1981 when the president was shot there was a crew there is always ecru the White House Pool crew was always with the president in this event in case something happened to him. Cnn was not allowed to be part with it was a time filler for cnn, which cnn need a lot of that that point. Basically its a long story i detail in the book it was a day that put cnn in the map in the minds of the press corps. That helped make them we had not seen any measurable form since president kennedy had been shot go on youtube and watch Walter Cronkite talk about you get a flavor for why 24hour news is very dangerous as well as riveting and convening force. That day that president reagan was shot in 1981 really was peoples worst fears about news and news being reported like a sporting event as it was unfolding and all the attendant issues and inaccuracies that could happen as a result in the cascading effect of bad news being delivered in sibley. We live it all every day now we live it instantaneously, constantly to our peril and detriment i think it was one of the first times we saw that. And you cant fact check in real time. The whole idea that the news not reporting it in its aftermath anymore but while its unfolding is one of the things that reese really wanted to do and this is the big question that readers are left with especially during the first decades of cnn whether it was covering significant things or creating significance by covering them. And blamed for creating this sharing of breaking news breaking all the time. The origin of 24 7 news something we should celebrate . I can tell you personally what i think. I avoided it in the book because i felt like it was really important to write this book now, of course i didnt know what it was in process that would be in the situation we are in right now. But i think its super important for people to be able to have the dialogue. We dont have dialogues we shout at each other, thats why i welcome this conversation with you because news has deteriorated and debilitated our society and im very sad about it i feel im beyond minor player in anything in the media but im so grateful not to be working in daytoday media right now. I struggle with its impact enormously which is why think i enjoy writing the history because i think its only if we study the history if we shut down polarization or trace back to polarization we have in our Society Today to the News Business precnn because certainly president nixon railed against the press as much as the president today does. In a different way and the press was different. But weve been seeing a societal breakdown because of television since televisions inception. And before that we saw because of radio inception and i think my last book was about the creation of fast food and the woman who took that money and gave it all away i would say the same thing back then. I cant solve why we became enamored of eating food out of packages as we ran around but i can explain how it happened and understanding it makes me a smarter and more full hopefully human and consumer and i say the same thing about news. If you think about its impact and how it broke down and take it from even the beginning of the book that ive drawn out here with up all night, because those who havent read it, it does begin in the late 40s with another incident that set the tone for television and news. If you look at the tone you really get a hardcore sense of how society and media have broken down. Thats a longwinded way of saying a also unite. Thats part of what happened in that story that you write about and people who buy the book, its a terrific way to frame the book, this sort of like what was going on in the 40s when people couldnt keep their eyes off the story that was about human interest. And now cant keep their focus the latest political spat being chewed over and over and over but im going to try to tie a couple questions from the audience in that. Whether or not ted watched his channel. He was pretty hyperactive guy. But also one of the surprises in the book is learning that ted was essentially a conservative and how over time it morphed into this institution reviled of a it so interesting because it takes somebody of a certain age, which i had to be to remember that politics is not used to enter into a television channel. You would never have produced the president nixon felt the news was too liberal back in the late 60s and early 70s, however, is not the world we live in today and it was absolutely not teds intent. I point out conservative at the time cnn because i want people to see that it was not about politics. He didnt start this with some mission that he needed to have a political agenda put forth. In fact, rochon felt wouldnt have allowed it if he had he was afraid when he joined him that maybe there was some undercurrent of that and quickly realized that wasnt the case. What its become today and as i frequently say, in 1996 when fox stated, thats when cnn had to shovel and respond to competition. Until it had competition, the issues were raised basically those with accuracy and what is news. He raised the question, what is news . A little girl in a well news . Shuttle exploding in the aftermath news . Whats news . When fox came along and had very decided point of view, that forced cnn to scramble in the course thats a whole other book in and of itself that im sure has been written. Unlocking to read it but weve lived it. Thats what causes this polarization and Political Force that these channels have become. Ted turner was used to wandering around the studios bathroom in the middle of the night eating on women saying outrageous often racist things. He would so they canceled today this is very much this book is very much about a time capsule and a time when things were quite different and it is from aviations but also wondering about the people you spoke to and what ted turner thinks of what happened to cnn what people who were there during the early days of a feel about what happened to this very idealistic project phase work for. I cant speak for all the people. There are 300 people there at the beginning but i will say that i noticed in shattered in various places on social media and talking with people that there is a sense of distress about what news and what cable news has become. That was just an unthinkable concept back then that you would introduce you might have a commentator on the he would never have what we have today, which is decided point of view from cnn or from fox and from msnbc. I think people are sad and perhaps disillusioned about whats become of it. I think everybody is proud to have contributed, not to speak for everyone but i think people are proud they were there at the creation and they should be. It was an exciting time. Its like a car is msa henry ford and the car but henry ford turns out to be very polarizing person as well. Any invention any creation i used to cover the internet and covered the internet in the very beginning of the web and that was an exciting and thrilling time where we were always asking the questions of its impact and societal changes sprung forth because of it. I guess i dont mean to sound so nambypamby but i am because i think its important to talk about how the cell phone changed our lives. How the computer changed our lives. It made them better and richer and also distracted us, fractured us. Its a discussion. There is no pat answers or Something Like that. The toothpaste is out of the tube and its evolved in the way that it evolved. Lets go out on a bright and triumphant note and talk to us because we have comments and never really addressed. Ted turner the sailor. The yachtsman. The winner of the americas cup. And of those part of the relative revelation for you was seeing who he was in that part of his life somebody who really could run things in a really determined way. Every school day i was writing this book and even now when you just said that, i get chills thinking about it. He wouldve been run out of town today as many men wouldve been from that era, just fair to point out that era was a completely different one. When you think about the way that ted turner lived his life, he lived it so large. We should all have a fraction of the gumption and excitement and thrill that he had in his life. To watch the old films if you could see any of them, they are complete and total thrill to see him young and handsome without his shirt on with all these other handsome men on the side of this fabulous engineering creation in the water working so hard together, its just so exciting to see event to see him at the baseball game a few days later screaming his lungs out, chewing tobacco, abthat man just seize the moment and he was born into means any took the means and grew it but it was such a privilege to read and understand him, a very complex character but as i get older myself i look for people i want to look at and say who i hope in his fractured state right now that he knows he lived his life in such a grand and athat he lived it. Thats what we can all hope. Did you speak with him before the book . I know you mentioned his health is progress. Her so much he said that he wrote that was written about him, speeches he gave in knowing hes in the state hes in, it just seemed almost pointless and cruel ended biographies what youre doing is trying to go back to a moment in time and so, no i did not i wish i couldve shown him when he was younger. We are a couple minutes over so i have to ask you, i know theres a movie deal in the works of course thats the kind of thing that can go on forever and its not in your control. Do you have any inkling who would play ted . Is so funny im such a popculture dunce that i havent got a clue. The people who did buy the rights were mentioned it was too bad that George Clooney wasnt a little bit younger because he wouldve been perfect ted turner. Im so bad. I welcome everyones suggestions, not that i have anything to do with it. It would be so much fun. And who would play Ted Cavanaugh and bill tosh . Thats as important to me. I hope it gets done and i want to say very quickly what i didnt say at the beginning, i did get signed bookplates to a cappella. If anybody wants a signed book im happy to get one to them to stop. Is such a great book. I have so much fun reading it. Thank you, what a pleasure speaking with you. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Thank you all for being. There are a lot of unbelievable stories we did not get to. Beacon by her book up all night theres a link in the screen. We will be broadcasting on Second Thought will be broadcasting excerpts from this interview. You can stream in the website or the app. One day jessica hammer will interview held heather lind about the fullerton bears. Thursday author sadie jones ab in conversation about writing this book should be great ill be back tuesday, july 1 to talk about in the transition of this group. Great book he collected stories from people whod been through wrenching life changes. Very timely in its own way. 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