Late civil rights leader. Later, historian, david. Enjoy tv on cspan2. Joining us from cincinnati, david, the chair of the Ohio Democratic party, also the author of a new fiction book titled the voter file. Well talk about that in a moment, lets begin with some of the latest pulling, real clear politics that looks at the average of the bulls in ohio, right now with 18 electoral votes, its essentially a dead heat with joeoe biden 4 at 46 n average, the president at 45 . Why is it so competitive three and half months before the election . There are a number of things happening at once and we are a different state, they voted for donald trump. Youre seeing a major shift in the suburbs of ohio the just a few decades ago or even years ago, these suburbs outside of cincinnati and columbus and cleveland, they were the base of the Republican Party, thats how john would have been elected or even george bush. Those are now blue. Largely women voters, moderate voters, moderate republic and saying this is not the party we were part of their voting blue for state house seats, sheriff brown, they voted for democratic players and Council Members and theyre not going to vote for donald trump in november so if you take away the old b base of Republican Party and its now voting democrat which it is, it makes ohio a much tougher state for republicans. That means they have to run up the score the rural parts of the suate that the large suburbs the large box so the republicans lost their old base and the second thing the ohio economy is already struggling. 2019 wasli our worst year 2009, between january between 19 and 20, we lost jobs, construction, manufacturing, farm bankruptcies highest in the decadence of the president s policies in the trade stuff and brokende promiss were already impacting them in a negative way including the places where he did well in 16th because he was told he would fight for them. No clear example he told was going to go, dont sell their homes, etc. Gm stepped down, moved to mexico, trump did nothing about it and then blamed the workers work. Thats played out in small ways around the state whether its democratic, which we are, their shifting blue of the economic icpolicies working in ohio, thas putting ohio in play. Joe biden ends up being a good candidate for ohio, he could appeal across the state but even before obama was nominated, donald trump is an underwater in ohio for a year. Spending millions which is something he would never have wanted to do. Theyve known theyve been in trouble in ohio for some time. This is courtesy of the bulls being released in june and july, biden has a one point lead, twopoint lead in another survey. This is a state the president one by eight Percentage Points in 2016. Pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin became states for the president perceived as the google firewall, if you look at past elections, ohio has gone republican in residential election fear. Obviously all these midwest states are key, we think ohio is clearly in place and we are not surprised by the pool numbers. In 18, he won by more than he one in 12 when obama was on the ballot. And 18, we flipped seats that had been drawn for republican victories through gerrymandering. We won six of them, sometimes by double digits. That shows how much youre seeing shifting, that we hadnt one in decades so youre seeing something growing in ohio and in 19, there were some towns in ohio, one on the West Virginia border, other rural towns in your, these are towns trump one by 60 or more, in 2019, we ran democratic against the players we beat them so even small towns but it returned from of the economic starts working and people want to change so they voted for democrats, for the suburbs, small towns or big cities which are more dominated by democrats than ever, theres a lot of momentum here. Youve got to run the right campaign to win it but i think joe biden understands this, hes the kind who can run in all parts of the state and he won by more than he did in the blue youre here, we think joe biden is a good fit for ohio come november. The next decision, his running mate tomorrow morning, we will ask democrats who they would like to see joe bidens running mate so let me ask you, who would be your first choice . Here to tell the Vice President who to pick, thiss wonderful people on that list. I do think makingnk history whih is very meaningful one other part of his day. I think that would like ohio voters wonderful people who got to choose from. I will say most of the people on the list have been very good to ohio, have been here a lot. Kamala harris had been to iowa a lot. Ohio. We know and respect the folks in the list outside of that, ill leave it to joe biden to make the best choice. I know they are working very hard on that. David pepper, chair of the Democratic Party and other of his latest book, the voter file. Explain. Explains the book . Yes. In addition to my day job, my goal in life, try to write these Fiction Books to basically entertain and inform and a lot of my books are passing into the real issues affecting policy the dark money that hurts our system, gerrymandering and voter files takes the same approach. Basically talking about, theres a lot of talk about what happened in 2016. Emails were hacked, we know that. Polling data was taken and then you will see casually mentioned voter data may have been taken and what this bookpl does is explain the risk involved if Foreign Forces were able to get their hands on voter data, the database voters, campaigns use to inform the way they campaign, its the game plan for the end of the campaign, that would be a huge heist that could really make a mess of politics is a fictional book but also emphasizes when you see this discussion of emails or poles or voter files, the voter data now available is the crown jewel of the campaign in this books walking into the worst Case Scenario if someone were to do that but the book tries to get into other key themes, even though we talk to president ial race, 2020 is the year we have statehouse races all over the country. The s statehouse races matter because whoever wins those will draw the District Line for the next decade. Gerrymandering of our legislatures in our congress has been one of the biggest things in politics is made things so partisan, so divisive and dysfunctional so yes, we have to focus on the president ial race but dont not Pay Attention to your local statehouse races because if you carry about gerrymandering, who you elect and the statehouse will determine if we continue to have a system rate gerrymander mass. The other key factor in a state like ours, our Supreme Court races, the state supreme courses are also going to be determining if its valid so hopefully has good reviews, some good page turners but theres also some real discussion about issues i think people really care about. Even though im a democrat, i try to write my books in a way that republicans also enjoy them, so for those of your viewers were going to call for republican eyes, dont let the fact that im a democrat scare you off from buying a book that i think youll enjoy. Its the third in a series, his day job is the chair of the Democratic Party in ohio. Spend a moment to read to you in the audience with robert fuller, his writings in the Washington Post of the headline, roger stone remains a convicted felon and rightly so. He writes the following, russias actions were a threat to americas democracy, it was critical that they be investigated and understood in late 2016 from of the fbi had evident the russians signal to a Trump Campaign advisor that they could assist the campaign to the anonymous release of information damaging to the democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton and fbi news the russians had done just that. He went on to write, we have a detailed picture of russias interference in the 2016 president ial election, directed in our election. Hacking and dumping Clinton Campaign emails and Online Social Media Campaign to disparage the democratic candidate. Waterstone became a figure in our investigation, communicated in 2015 with individuals known to us to be russian Intelligence Officers and complained wikileaks release of emails stolen by the russian Intelligence Officers. Is this from the Washington Post, the jury ultimately convicted of obstruction of investigation, five counts of making false statements to congress and tampering with a witness because his sentence has been committed. He will not go to prison. His conviction stands, made every decision in jones case as in all of our cases, based solely on the fact in accordance with the rule of law, women and been conducted these investigations and prosecutions active with the highest integrity and Robert Mueller concludes sink claims to the contrary are false. A im glad you spoke out, i dont know mr. Fuller at all but i wish he been speaking out more since they took his report. Im glad its here with the president did as nancy pelosi said, appalling corruption, this is someone who had the goods ont trump, this wasnt about helping a friend, this is aboutms helpig himself and abusing the process for his own benefit. I just saw in the way in that roger stone isnt even eligible to have his sentence commuted until he shows up to prison trump said that even before that. This is one other example ofe corruption and im glad mueller spoke out. Im glad mitt romney spoke up. Im glad to me spoke up. Im glad their waiting to say not talk aboutll it. I commend the senators who will, a badge ofaw honor for those tw. They are willing to speak out against corruption, everyone should. This was all something adam schiff said would happen when he was pushing the impeachment case and senators then, through albicans except mitt romney ignored him, did nothing and lom and behold its exactly what was predicted so i wish i was shocked by this, i am not. Im glad romney spoke out, help others do as well. Getting back to themn beginning about the election, one reason i think its important that we dont try as democrats, went by a couple of electoral votes that we should turn many states blue, ohio, florida, arizona, georgia, we need to send a message that the corruption and divisive racist stuff we are seeing from trump, this is not america. We will want to send the message by just a couple of electoral votes, we want to send it so loudly and clearly the world sees wow, america did reject this guy. Hopefully we send the message so loudly by winning decisively in so many places, the republicans who been afraid to speak out until now because they dont want to retweet donald trump like he did today, there will be more of getting voted out of office by people who know this stuff is nonsense and currently of donald trump. My hope is that this is not a time for democrats and republicans who know better were joining of the project, independent who know is not who we are to join together and send the loudest message and the way he do that is you win big, you campaign everywhere, 88 counties in ohio, 56 in the country and you run up the score so this era after november is over and we start looking forward to hopefully the actions we saw about roger stone this is just one, hes literally coming his nose at the country by doing this. I cant imagine his own advisors told him do this, he does it anyway, he knows most of these senators will let him do anything you want because they didnt just go along with impeachment, it didnt go along with what he did, they didnt just look the other way, they literally voted to cover up evidence, there was saying to trump, you can do whatever you want, we will cover it up and life for you. My hope is that we look at all this, hes rubbing our noses with this nonsense that we look at this and decide november 3, sweep him out so decisively that never again will someone behave in this way is n our leader showing the whole world what we have become. You mentioned go big, thats the subject of the piece this morning, this is headline biden is urged to make a play, states. Joining us from cincinnati, we have a line for ohio residents. He mentioned the president treat this money, in case you missed it, to rhinos, referring to grow organs only, mitt romney, have any problem with the fact that we call obama, biden and company illegally spying on my campaign . The care with the whole group ran rampant wild and unchecked, lying and leaking all the way . No from thepa president. Thanks for taking my call. Just wanted to speak about the fact that he had no legal background whatsoever. Power, power. Hes got lots of money, he always wanted to be president hes a president. In hose own words, i want to be like kim jong un in. He loves vladimir putin. People needs to open their eyes. Hes no leader, hes just about power. The entertainer, megan traynor, she had a song out, i know youre lying, your lips are moving, its all about donald trump. People need to realize that. This is him in cleveland, ohio. Women are going to go, we are trapped in our homes with our children, we dont have childcare and we are forced to work full time from home while taking care of our children in managing our household. Im wondering if youre still counting on women to shift through and how youre going to keep us mobilized and engaged because i think, i need to make sure youre still counting on us. Did you hear that question . I did. Let me start with tim, i do think donald trump shows true autocratic dependency, its clearly his instinct. The people he seems to admire the most are autocrats, his instinct whether it an attempt to shut down books coming out or ignore the judicial system and think his argument that his own nominee to the Supreme Court rejected the other day was basically that he should be treated about the law so he has those tendencies and i think its very clear but heres what i would say in terms of our history of the country, the founders would say we expected of president to think that way. Thats what they wrote the constitution to protect against. I would say yes, we actually thought that might happen and they wouldnt be shocked by a president who has these terrible tendencies that we need to vote out of office. I think the founders would be more shocked by the behavior in congress to not do anything about it. I think they would say we gave the balance of powers, we gave levers of power to the senate and the house to stand up when a president behaves in a way that we feared may happen. Im even more appalled that the republican in the senate and the house, the jim jordan, wont do anything about a president whose showing exactly what tim said. The problematic president is something our founders thought might happen and i think they would be more shocked and stunned that the people whose job it is to take an oath of the constitution, to the independence, they are violating the oath when they cover up for the president during the impeachment trial as opposed to actually holding him accountable which is the job. Think theyd be even more appalled by the silence amid all things happening. I agree its a problem and the best solution before the election would be a senate and house that actually did their job and stood up to it. That would make it go away quick. Women are saving our country. In ohio and across the country, its the energy of women we saw from the womens smart a few days after the inauguration in two women running for office, i talked about our wins in ohio and 18, most of those pickups were women candidates. As of the pickups in the u. S. House when we select in the power there were women and the supporters that voted them in for more women so yes, women are powering. I mentioned the suburban shift, its being driven by women. Some men, too but more like women so obviously, you better be talking to women all the way to the election until the end. Mike dewine here in ohio who did a good job, by the way, initially in the way he reacted to the pandemic but he rushed to reopen and we are seeing the cost now, the spike is happening here. He rushed to reopen and said okay, everyone back to work before they had a child care plan. What does that say to women who are having to make this impossible choice between working and their kids. I think that the longterm we have to do the public side has to do a much better job of thinking through all the public support systems that support families and working women, single women, before we say to them, go back to work and start doing this again. This has to be much more of a worker driven bottomup driven mindset as to how to safely reopen then it has been where its been from the top down and i think that is but people, women, families, working families, workers in general and a very tough position and we are seeing it now on the schools reopening. The School Reopening is being pushed from the top without any conversation with teachers and staff of schools about how you could actually do it in a way that would be safe so i think a lot of these decisions are coming from the top down and i think we will continue to have to go backwards because i think that approach is making one mistake after the next and the childcare situation was a perfect example of that. Were talking to david pepper, current chair of the Ohio Democratic party. Previous lee served on the Hamilton County commission and former city councilman in cincinnati. A graduate of yale, both undergraduate and law degree. Emma is joining us from pineville, ohio which is located where . Hour and a half away from columbus, ohio. Host good morning to you emma. Good morning. My question is will they ever put a time limit on how long these people can hold seats like pelosi . That 90 yearold woman that is a judge, i think there should there should be a time limit for exceeded theirs. Host i assume you are referring to Ruth Bader Ginsburg but who is 86 bit but i get the point. Should there be term limits or caps on how long you can serve on the Supreme Court . Guest i dont think there should be. I think we have seen over the years the justices when they felt like they were unable to continue chose not to but one thing about the law and i say this as a lawyer having clerked for a judge is one good thing about the law is we all know you get wiser with years and that is one area where as long as you are strong mentally in the mid 80s you may be a much wiser person than you were in your 40s. I dont have a problem seen Ruth Bader Ginsburg who is frankly, incredibly resilient fighting to health issues. We go live now to capitol hill birdhouse scaredy subcommittee is holding a virtual hearing on oversight of ice detention facilities during the coronavirus pandemic. Coronavirus cases continue to spike nationwide we must ensure