Importance of getting off our screens one day a week is an interesting time to think but unplugging given this moment during the coronavirus pandemic as were taping thing interview. Were finding ourselves even more tethers to screens because we are able to do things like meet people in person, go out to our workplaces or schools for most of us, or hang out in a bar or a cultural venue. Well hear more but the book from tiffani and then have a discussion. So, over to you, tiffany, take it away. Guest thank you. Its great to be here imim from the bay area, im glad were still able to happen this wise, adapting toking this extraordinary circumstance were living in. Which actually this moment were in feels very similar to a moment i was personally in around 11 years ago, actually this monday, the 11 year neaves of my fathers death, and what happened was my father died of brain cancerment my dad was also an author, leanord shlain, and his love of book stores and readers. Very close and he died of brain cancer just within days of my daughter being born and it really felt like one of those moments where life was grabbing me by the shoulders and saying focus on what matters. My husband and i decided with our kids to turn off the screen one day a week for what we call our technology shack pat. Its been the best thing i have ever done in any life for the practice that keeps giving and brings such balance and mean something so many things which ill go into. And i should also tell you i love technology. Im not antitech. The other six days im in the web and i my background is that my 20s in i founded the i have been excite bet the potential of technology to connect us and spent my core either run thing webby awards or made a lot of films bolt the potential of technology. What the continue and also the curse. Some whats way wrestling with ten years ago i was feeling distracted. I felt look i couldnt get a complete thought out without my phone buzzing or notification happening and i felt like i was in a account state of being distracted and didnt like it. Think really what i was seeking by doing this one day without screens is just some time to think, connect in an thaw ten tick way and turn our screens off. It was too much. I should also tell you, i am jewish but not a religious jew, more of humanistic jew, secular jew but i love rituals. And i love the food and the rituals and a lot of the idea offed shabbat, is the day of rest, and so we started to do that ten years ago so friday night we make bread, which has to rise all day, and then we usually make a beautiful meal and invite people over and its the best meal of the week because in win has their phones out and we have a wonderful day and the next day is no screens. Its our favorite day of the week, owl elder daughter is 17 and our younger daughter is 11 and they love it. A day filled with things we love to do. Now, that was all before the pandemic. And then of course the last two months we have all had to be online so much more, and i do feel like its a very similar moment for like the whole world in terms of what i felt life was grab michigan by the shoulders and saying focus on what is important. I feel like right now all of us are being grabbed by the shoulders and saying, focus on what is important. What matters. What is important, your health, your family, and enough money to buy food, cooking food, being grateful, helping others, all of these fundamental less unions felt like lessons spend million time think us about on the tech shabbat than others. We are on screen so much. Its a lifeline. Screens are the way we connect. We connect with family members on zoom before we turn off the screens for a tech shabbat and my Second Opinion is so many people said are you still doing your tech shabbat now that were sheltering the place, and its just kind of always stuns me because am i doing it, its like my saving grace. So many benefits to it. Especially now they feel like magnified the benefits because ive been so stressed. We all have been. About what is happening, whats going to happen and just it allows me to take one foot in front of the other, one week at a time. I look forward to something every week. Its really weird because im a pig planner and now we cant make any plans but every week i know today is friday, its shabbat. Well make a lovely meal. Shut off the screens. Feels difference than all the other days. I always sleep better upon my friday nights. So i feel like doing a tech shabbat or a screenfree day of whatever you want to call it feels like so much more beneficial during the pandemic when everything is running together, time is running together, work and social and everything is running together. Were on the news so much more which is like were bathing our bodies in cortisol and stress. And of course theres so many beautiful things about the web right now. A couple months ago, i actually did a show in new york called dear human. I what really pulled from a lot of ideas in my book 24 6 and i worried my early optimism with the web and the Tech Industry and Business Model of manipulating our attention wag bringing out the worst in humanity so all the social media was making us compare soreses and fomo and that really was a lot of the crux of my show, but i ended the show and said what could it take to bring the web back to the web we want . What could we all be focusing on together . And that moment was february 15, 2020. I am at home and of curse just within weeks the whole country, different parts of the world shut down, and im seeing the web being used in so many incredible miraculous ways. So i have renewed faith in the web. Renewed faith in humanity if we choose to look at this as a huge opportunity and lesson, and im worried like arch else, my brother is a doctor who has been working at the frontlines of covid and thats been intense and wonderful because im really proud of him. And just all the food donation, cord nags ive seep and microdonations to help people and gofundme campaigns and so many way thes web is rising to the occasion and allowing us to bring out the best of humanity, the best our human strengths but shouldnt be on it all the time. It is even more so i think were going to were so craving human contact right now from other people. My biggest hope is that when we emerge from this period, were going to finally be together and not be staring at our phones because prepandemic youre walking down the street and everybody staring at their phones, group of teenagerred together theyre all staring at their phones. Maybe were going to be so hungry for true home connection after this that maybe well put down our phonees am great thing that would come out of this. But the biggest ritual that i say in the become ill share with you some of the benefits because in the back i good deep on the neuroscience and historical reference and school of why its so good so many of the benefits that happen from us unplugging one day a week that i think right now we have so much time, to much time on our hands. If you have the police of being at home and youre that an essential worker and youre thinking, how can i take this time and have something come out another it that would be good and sustaining for the rest of my life, i really think integrating the ritual of a day without screens, and ill tell you why i think a day. This is an idea that is over 3,000 years old. Some people call it the sabbath, shabbat, different words for every different religion have some form of a day of rest. Just right now in our modern society, only the most observant and religious people in that faith will do it. The seven day event is clips, a full day of san bath, orthodox jews, full day of a day of rest. I never met anyone except the one orthodox jew i knew im in california, not new york but other than that, the shabbat which i have many friends who are jewish they will light the candle or do a nice dinner but dont do a full day of rest but i experiences the power is in the full day of rhys, some serious wisdom it takes whole day to truly reset and reboot and turn off the outside world 0 so you can tune into yourself and to the people you might live witness but if youre aloe i highly rem it. And to your kids and really go a little more inward. Right now were online all the time, reacting to the news, zooming witch family, connecting with friended, on social media. A constant state of reacting and connecting. A lot of good happening right now and i dont want to discount that, but what i fine that a lot of times on saturday is i do my very best thinking. I think. And i think we are we have created a society and culture that doesnt value reflection because we leave no space for it. So, i do a lot of writing on saturday. So the fridays are very social with a dinner with friend and family, even our family now were talking about the week, everything is about the week which is a manageable way to think but the time. Great wisdom in that as well. Saturday i do a lot of writing, journaling, and doing nothing which is a very important thing to also be able to do, to do nothing. We value so much productivity and optimizing every second of our lives these days. And i want to walk and listen to a podcast and wash the dishes and learn a new language. Theres a value in just letting your whole soul fallow. Even in farming every seven years you let the earth lie fallow and none new crops so every seven days you need to let your brain and life go fallow soow can have the necessary nutrient to grow and build things and one benefit of the many is that ken and i feel so much more productive after giving ourselves a full day of rest. Never really giving ourselveses a full day of rest right now. Even our leisure relaxing, youre posting on social media and have to write a witty caption and that feels like work. And the other thing i noticed after doing this for ten years, im a filmmaker. I run a film studio in San Francisco and most of my time im making films. This is my first book. Im always trying to put myself in the most Creative Flow state. Every creative person is what can you do . Used to be traveling. Not doing that a lot of that right now. Traveling is inspiring but if i look back on the last ten years i have my best ideas on saturday. Thats when i always have my breakthroughs and theres actual neuroscience behind this. During the week youre getting all this input and stimulation but its when you are day dreaming or washing the dishes or taking a sure, going no a run, your mind starts putting things note an unusual way. The default mood network and creative comes from unusual connections happening. Have my best ideas. So ken and i my husband, professor at uk berkeley uc berkeley, a shoutout. But we feel so much more productive by truly taking a day off. I feel much more creative. I have problems sleeping. I just started im 50 and my 40s i started having problems sleeping. Im always able to sleep on friday nights. The deepest sleep of the week. I generally think im more patient and im pretty impatientment longterm i know i want to to to theshow slow thins down and be more patient on saturday. Its great to teach our kids how to be bored, how to not need to be stimulated every second. Boredom is the runway to creativity. So if youre feeling bored, great, something good is going to happen. Its going to be a creative idea that comes right awe the bat. Keep our kid boredom and ourselves ourselves and every second if youre just flipping through your phone to distract yourself which right now during the pandemic, we need distraction also but not at eave moment. And every in between moment or every pause moment just always turning to our phone or screen to be entertain ordinary distracted or productive. Its good to just leave space to just be, and i find that i do that mostly on our tech shabbat. It has really lead to practices i do the other six days. I no longer look at my phone when he wake up because thats my most creative thinking time and working on the book 24 6 i recognized thats my sweet spot no write. I get up at 5 00 a. M. Before the kid get up and i would ride from 5 00 to 7 00 and the kids get up. But i noticed if when i wake up if you just look at your phone when you do wake i do use my phone as as alarm clock. Thats the thing that works for me. Whatever. But i keep it on Airplane Mode in the morning. Dont turn it on. Cspan i cam down, have my coffee and im writhing, what am ick think budget. What the day going to be lick and juice like 15 minutes so nation to start we day with where i am instead of where thed a stressful email or stressful news headline or social media thing its my own framing of the day. Before guy to sleep i have my nighttime ritual, i take a bath, i read and i write in a journal again about what happened in the day, what was great about the day, something i were i did differently about the day and what die hope for tomorrow. Sandwich my day that doesnt involve the opinion. Superimportant. I also in our family we do no screens at the table when were eating unless during the pandemic if we have zoom with family members and then the screens go away. I try to do a one hour walk every day without a screen. So in the book i talk about all thinks you can do the other six days and then the plethora of benefits from one complete day off. And a lot of a lot of people have said to me now ive been out with the book for six months and its been fun. Changed my life, or i didnt think my kids would like it. I think my partner would love it. Talk about a lot of strategies, how to get people in your life ready for your to do this. You might be psyched to do this but maybe your husband or wife or partner or your kids i talk but the best way to approach it. Its not like were going to turn off screenes for a day. Will not good over. We its how you position it. You say tome what do you wish we did more together . And pretty much make the day filled with that. Its a day of joy, day of cook, napping, reading, biking, just nothing can involve a screen. I a have a whole section in the book, fun things to do without a screen. Thought it was funie had to include it but i did. So i think during the pandemic, i know everyone is saying im so exhausted from zooms or im on the screen i have carpal tunnel, i have shooting pains because im sitting in so many positions in any house on my katrina. So think about on my screen. I think more of a reason that you should create space, and i think that thats area day 0 week and its a thousand years old, one whole day week to reset. It has brought me such comfort when ive been so anxious during the week. I find i completely official even shut out the outside world for a day and think but what your grateful for. Quiets the anxiety voice. Things you do have but not what you dont have or mice lose in the future. And brought an amazing sense of balance and resetting for me personally. So, i was excited about the book before because is what like i have this ancient Simple Practice to change my life and nip can do it and you dont have to believe wherever you come from. I have a lot of clips christian. Itses a idea from jude jim but i do not judaism. I have Great Respect foam whom mo believe in religion but i come from a dont like the word secular but i come from it as a secular practice i want to liberate it from religion and make it just a practice, like yoga and meditation has brought great things to people from all different backgrounds and i really think the concept of a tech shabbat, a day without screens, can he bring much joy and meaning and balance and peace to people, especially right now during the pandemic and at that point, this point, i would love to bring chloe back in because im so excited to talk to her and just hear what questions you might have had about the book or anything it says. Thank you, tiffany for sharing so much great information. You are a nonpracticing jew. As i am myself. Are you . Yes. Your name did not give that away at all. Veltman . My relatives from eastern europe. That with my upbring, time im curious how tech shabbat as you practice it today with your family may compare to the shabbat traditions, theyre might have been, when you were growing up. Okay, didnt grow up with shabbat and im glad you brought that up. Ways that are different from people truly observing shabbat. Someone said a rabbi said youre me most religious nonreligious person i always do tech shabbat and im very observant in my tech shabbat and i do a lot of similar rituals. Did not grow up withshack but but mahouts did and they had a beautiful friday night meal weapon set the table, fresh cut flowers, its a beautiful meal. If you really observant orthodox jew youre not supposed to create youre not even supposed to write. I doing my best youre not supposed to turn on lights. For me i was about trying to take the essence and kernel of shabbat whys presence, gratitude, joy, family, sanctuary of home, cooking, really being present. That what i was trying to do and screens take away so much of those things. Did you grow up with shabbat. Mostly, certainly not as very much a week he practice some of my parents siblings, my aunties in particular were more into it so we would do that with them. Im curious. Obviously i love the impulse for this idea comes from your husband, ken. But the practice, the desire to be with family, that sort of thing, was that modeled for you in other aways if not the friday night dip center what kind of rituals around the idea outside want to manifest in the shabbat you do now, were they present in your youth . Its interesting. I growing up my parents got divorced so it was actually i think in many ways doing a shabbat before they get divorced there was a lot of rituals. We always went to the movies every sunday night, and then when i was eight they got divorced which was really a hard period for me, and i think in many ways i i do write about this in the book when he went deep who i this is important is because a lot of way is understand how personality ritual is for family and what happens when that breaks and im sure if i was on a therapy couch like a lot of my friend or family understanding how profound its been for our family. Can also be very meaningful if you married or without kid but for me its an important ritual that ties us back together. During the week were doing our separate things and then on friday night to saturday night we knit ourselves back in this really connected way. And i its the closest i feel to everyone in the family is on friday night to saturday night. And then were on zoom. Meats my meats my daughter. Want to say hi . Thats my grandmothers name. Thats my grandmothers name. Oh. For the book festival. I know at bit about you. One thing in book i talk about he make hala every week and as soon as the pandemic started, whatever that was, nine weeks ago for us, when we decided to do our baking on zoom. So now every week we bake hala with anywhere from 50 to 150 people on zoom. She is the needier and today we bring in guests, shifts. An been a fun part of the pandemic, and theres this funny moment today where somebody was asking about the dough was not moist enough, and we were saying about how keep kneading. Thats you get the dough right and its so symbolic to the period were in right now. We just have to keep kneading. And its so much about processing what is going on, and i think that a lot of learning the great lessons from this period is about being present for what is going on and not just living in a state of duff distraction from what is going on. You could be on the news and scrolling but a real opportunity to really be present to what is happening right now. A very long answer. Host thats fine. I enjoyed needing bloom and hearing where the idea generates from within you. A apart from taking your hala making on zoom, im curious how the stayathome orders and the coronavirus pandemic has changed your shabbat practice. We dont have people over on friday night. We really we miss that. Its actually i loved it because we really having wonderful conversations as a family, whereas normally we have new people or or family and friend hereafter but i feel like that happensen the zoom. Hala is very social people from berlin and italy and the united states. That part was very social put the we dont have people over which is a big difference but the saturday part is pretty similar. We have managed to do it when our kids have had sports and had to go to a field or something or Basketball Court when were doing it but really we try to not make any plans on saturdays, so not a lot of plans happening right now so they feel very similar and then at 5 00 p. M. On saturday night the girl goes back online, we go back online. We used to go for go out to movies and in. That is not happening. We good uptears now. Were awful competed to go back online and thats an important component. Turns it off lets you reappreciate technology in a whole new way when you good back on because its more thank god we have the web and by living without it for one day it helps you reappreciate it in this new way when you go back on. I cant wait to turn it off, and then i cant wait im usually excite to know what happened in the world and everything happens exists without you. Thats really good thing to know. People are saying what if people cant get touch with you and i should mention we do have a land line, and thats a really good thing to have in california for earthquakes, for fires, lots of natural disasters also, but if somebody needed to get in touch with us theyvell call us on the landline but it hardly ever rings. Saturday is out in going outward, its more inward, and all week long were texting and facebook and calls and zoom and i feel really good to have that boundary of not being available to everybody and everything for one day. The presentation you gave today, but i just like to dig in a bit more. Obviously in people would say the pandemic makes taking a tech shabbat more important than ever before. Youre among those people. How would you respond to those that think that taking a day off from screens may seem untenable for them before covid19 and seems lied ludicrous but impossible right now because actives screens require us to be on screen. I hear that. Guess i just really i would just ask the person i think to me it is really valuing time withor without a pandemic to listen to your own thoughts for a day, and read in a i actually do a lot of reading on shabbat and read in such a different way than i do during the week. Feel like the same argument i would get people couldnt imagine turning them off before but i it feels so good, and actually a lot of people that have read my become that are now doing it, i think people are scarred to do it but i think if you fill the day with im going to write, im going read, im going to cook, take a long wake, play music, do some water coloring, just all those things i would just think that you dont realize how much you need a break weapon werent designed to be on this much, and even when theres a new baby in the world, dont overstimulate its being overstimulated and were living in such a state of overstimulation that we froth what i feels like to just not have feels so rejuvenating and nourishing and all the thing is mention it that i think i would just offer to anyone that said that to just try it. Do some planning ahead of time. When we think but put out all all the thing you want to think deeply about. Hope that i watched a documentary but a the spanish flu and my favorite parts were the journal entries of people temperature the period and i think its an opportunity to really write about how were feeling right now and what were think but, and its really important to create space for that; so, i would just say to try it, and the other thing i would say if you are going to try it which i really walk you through in the book, to look at your calendar for four weeks wef trying it its about the repetition of the ritual. Some people signify on vacation and turn off my phone for a week. Thats great, to me the power, the tagline of the book is the power of unplugging one day a week. So its about the ritual and eave week i know im going to goal a full reset. Going to get a full reset. If1 2 the world practiced tech shabbat how might the way in which countries and cities around the globe have responded to the coronavirus the economic fallout, how might the response be different itself every Single Person were practicing it. You ended in a different way. Was going to say be so good for the planet if one day we are werent all consuming. But how would be coordinate efforts, are you thinking about that. How might this whole thing which has been a bit of a mess in some countries more than others, our letters and arch wells leaders and arch else were doing this practice how might it i have an answer for that. I think im not a fan of our president at all. I think he has no prefrontal core text and cor text and if he spent a day thinkingle and being reactive, the what is happening is we didnt see a plan is in country wellexecuted, and i mean such a bigger issue about our country but i have what everybody took a shabbat, did the same thing everything day, with their family and didnt consume and went inward for one day. We would have more thoughtful responses to so many things but certainly a lot of like at the beginning it was just like running around and not having a coordinated responsive effort. But of course, like, hospitals cant do it. If they taking care of patients that it nothing going to turn of screens and monitoring people so i would not think that. I think the majority of people who are online 24 7 do they need to be online 24 7 . Were in an emergency situation with a with a lot of doctors and essential worker and healthcare workers but i love the thought. I might write about that a little more because or think a little more tomorrow because its a great question. I mean i suppose really when i read your book for me its not about the screen thing honestly. Talking but a mindfulness, state of mindfulness, a series of mindful necessary practices which turning offure screen one day a week is a manifestation of the larger idea and people who get at it threw different techniques from yoga and i understand what you focus of the screen. But i cant help but think that beyond this sort of the obvious idea that we have frontline work arers who have to be then screen, that certainly if everyone had a take that moment to stop and think and do mindful practices that maybe we would some might be a little different. Dont know. Obviously its not a solution to the problem at large but might help a little bit. I think i love what er saying because its a really about were so reek active. The internet is built to be, like, amygdala response. Its not think and turn it off and think pout it. Think put what that means or a couple steps ahead. Its so immediate which is why its so sexy and exciting and fun if want to live in a world that values deep thinking and longterm thinking and planning and we indiana some big, like coordinated effort in our globe and country. Thats not happening. Okay, so, obviously tremendous benefits to not looking town at your screen all day. Put i want to talk a little bit about artificial reality. Theres developments in ar, artificial reality, that has transform the way we receive information and probably in the too distant future make thing vaccines you hold obsolete. The information will be more am bent. So might ambient. So how might these developments an updated version. I thought about that. I added in the its not going to he screens and pretty much a world looking down. That was my big issue with everyone walking down the street and looking down all the time and not looking at where they are and i hope when we emerge from this that people are going to be present with each other when theyre together. But its not going to be keeps at in point. It will automaticked realitiment on augmented reality on your screens or contact lens. Even right now we have to try to remember to look at the camera but i want to look at you, but i have to look above at the camera or else it doesnt look like im looking at the viewer and the audience. This is so funky right now that we cant make real eye contact on the laptop which is slightly off. Were talking rite now but i think thats one of the reasons zoom is so exhausting, theyre something kind of slightly off and it always trying to rejust the homeostasis on connection but its not there. To go back to your question, yeah, the screens at some point might be gone but i will still need our whole family to turn whatever you want to call, the either of the web off so were innovate getting input from everywhere. If youre constantly getting input you cant really understand the input in your own mind and your own soul, and i worry but when you cant see it. Call the police. Its not put of puture screen down. We turn the whole web off . That will hope. Google home and voice activated devices can be equally enormous privacy concerns and you have one in four americans, adults, owning a smart speak per, today so why are we actually okay with people using Voice Technology during a tech shabbat. I struggled with that. You can see i did this brun sorry, my daughters in and out of the screen. Over there is our record player, you see that. Which we sometimes use on shabbat but we cook a lot on shabbat and we often use the timer, and sometimes well say play Billy Holliday or certain music we listen to on shabbat and have made that exception and ive thought about it. It is an exception we make and i think its because its not pulling us out of what were doing, but its a little bit of a gray area for sure and i have more and more i remember my husband was given a video version of im like, no, keep it out of the house and then the more i that might lead we have had a lot of conversations about internally and if have beside asked the book. Thats our one exception and i know its gray but for us its just kind of helping us ago and its not like this outside world interjecting with us. But its great. I think everyone is going to i a friend of mine who teaches me guitar is can i till tune my guitar because my tuning app is on me phone or in a pandemic you want to say they make sure to zoom their mother and aunt a couple times and when youre in that situation i would say yes. Just say what i have found is like the boundary. Like im not using screens today. I like being i want to look that up. I cant. Guess im going to walk over and see if my bookshelf can offer me guidance. Like that. Constraints are good and i find theyre liberating if feel like rated by having a strict boundary of no screens. Just frees me. It frees me to be in a different way one day a week. I want to challenge you on one thing you said today and heard you say in other interviews you have done if the idea of coronavirus renewing your faith in the and we the internet and to the extent we are taking more time to connect with people and doing things like sharing art virtually, that may be true, but i mean honestly during the coronavirus, information and fake news, think but the Digital Divide, i think is being witnessed in unprecedented ways special hi for kids going school, some of whom dont have access to the internet and to screens and simply disadvantaged not to mention immigrant populations. Why do some i think renewed faith. I guess three months ago i was like, oh, my gosh, its just exacerbating our human weaknesses comparison, jealousy, fomo, polarization, then the pandemic happened and i saw creativity happen in such a bevel u beautiful way. Co lab racings cocoa lab racing, in new york 29 of household do not have i would five. Agree the do not have wifi. The Digital Divide now finally i see so many important articles so how do we get everyone online that needs to be online, build more of the web we want . And also fearful but the tracing software thats going gift the government more power and then that becomes a scarier thing. So, im not completely like, oh, the web, everything is great now. Was really much more like the web is bringing out the worst three months ago and now im like the web is bringing out a lot of good in humanity right now. Ive cried from laugh and from beautiful things over thing is have seen. People have shared on social media instead of being look at what party im another. Its look at the food donation or help my friends restaurant 0 try to recreate this paged painting. I feel like this a new chance to look at the web aanew, look at the Digital Divide and think but the power were giving to government and tracking us and the implications and we have time to thing but these thing is with choose to. A lot of us arent dog our normal jobs how much do we take the web to what we want it to be. Think its an opportunity because i was kind of feeling like just all being sucked into this way we were using it three months ago and it changed for me. Certainly changed for so many of us, right . One thing i wondered about the idea of taking a i feel like at least in my life, the best practices i can have, the ones that help me the most are the ones where rather than going cold turkey for an entire day and being bonkers the rest of the week on it, having every day have the boundaries for meals. I dont know. Maybe thats just a privilege thing. I dont know. Or just trying to do get the Journaling Journaling in a little built every day and a tiny bit of meditation and other things you talk about. Integrate this stuff so its not just going cold turkey. Lets have a the fabric of our lives so were not on 24 hours a day. I did mention to you i do these other rituals the other six days on the book, like the journaling in me morning and at bed i dont look at the phone. I do integrate about the week, microinterventions i call them. But again, what i feel like the power, complete power of this practice is its a full day. Its like in tab tandem. Every weekend we get to reset, if i feel like i was on too much, seeing to much bad news and next week im not going to do that. So gives me that bigger be how to integrate it and then die minithings. I agree. Its not like i want to binge six day i dont like the word Digital Detox because it implies you can complete live live without it which you cant. Throughout the week if you can have healthier relationship to it and then one full day gives you that perspective that you lose every week. Okay. Ive got to ask you about the ukelele. Its right here. Im just. Youre a musician. And i wonder what your favorite tunes for play when youre at home on tech shabbat. Or maybe you like to may for us. Oh, my gosh. That ate great question. I the ukelele is very simple to pick up. Let me just plug this. In takure time. My whole household there i dont know. Am i actually going to play but i have to tune it. I tell you i play lately ive been playing a lot is but Buffalo Springfield phenomenon the 60s, something happening here, and whats the name of it but my whole family one plays electric, ken plays electric, learning electric, so what its worth we Buffalo Springfield. I have been playing this song a lot and its very poignant. A sixs protest song and then odessa, we old are daughter plays acoustic get tar and thats putting your find a different mode. When youre playing music youre innovates think us about nigglings except the music, and its really good to put your mind in a different mode a little bit every day, and what i think is a whole day every week. It helps everything. 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