Of course the daughter of Vice President , but your life and going in at a washington certainly dates back further than when your father became Vice President. Of course he was a chief of staff during the Ford Administration and then, like you, served in the congress. What hasnt been like, kind kind of a lifetime almost, coming in and out of washington with Public Office, either youre in Public Office or a Family Member and then going back to life outside the beltway . Well, i feel like its really been an incredible, incredibly blessed way to grow up. And to have the had the opportunity to sort of see both worlds but certainly many of my earliest memories have to do with my mom and dad and the public service. When my dad was chief of staff for president ford back in the early 70s, my sister and i were young and he would take us down to the white house on saturday mornings to have breakfast with them, and, because you can imagine his schedule was very busy, and we would sit on the floor of his office in the west wing, which is still the chi at that time the very hightech nature of the tools that the chief of staff had at the ready involve multiple televisions, and i can remember mary and i been so impressed that there was a wall that had like four four televisions on it so you could watch cartoons on every network simultaneously. Cartoons going on all at once. I feel like we probably change that all the cartoons. Those were the days when you could only watch cartoons onsat. For being a kid in washington, you had the white house as a venue and then after that the congress as the venue, right . Because then soon after your father left, well after the Ford Administration and during the reagan years he was like you in the leadership in the republican conference. Was that if was that a fun place to be as well . That was really the first taste that i had. We campaigned across wyoming as a family, and walking and knocking on doors and handing out buttons and just really learning what it means to participate in the political process. Really wonderful memories especially the First Campaign. Of course in the middle of of e First Campaign my dad had his first heart attack. There was a period of time there when we were not sure whether he would continue to run, and my mom took over. We campaigned with her. But no, it was just a wonderful way to get to understand how politics works in our country. To see your mom campaign as your father was recovering, that is well known, but seeing a woman in that role. Was that kind of a moment where in your mind you were like, yeah, im going to do that . Its interesting. Mary and i both were just so blessed to grow up with parents for whom the issue of our gender never even occurred to me, im sure to marry, that would be an obstacle. It was just an issue that was not even discussed. I remember growing up on mother was writing and teaching and what of the first things that i read was an article that she wrote about Elizabeth Blackwell was the first woman doctor in the United States. So for us it was just, we knew if we willing to work hard enough, that we shouldnt be denied opportunities because of our gender. It was a matter of course. Ct. It didnt even occur to us. It didnt occur to me that being a woman would be an obstacle. I think we were just always expected to work hard, prove ourselves and certainly grew up knowing how important it was to fight for whats right. But you really did straddle in terms of the world of politics and policy, that exposure you just reference from your years when your father was in the congress and campaigning as a family in wyoming. Later on of course he becomes secretary of defense and then Vice President. You serve in the bush 43 administration at the state department. How did you go from looking at things from a family of politics, then to working in the policy world of foggy bottom . I think first of all, for us a policy of the pitics have always been completely intertwined, and again i know when we would sit around the dinner table as kids, the discussions were usually about what was happening in the world then. Politics is a very important way to make sure that you can get the right policies in place and the right people elected to do that. Ive always seen those is really intertwined. Ive also always been very interested in and focus on the middle east. Something that i really became interested in for the first time when i was about ten or 11, reading about king tut in history class. But then work on that throughout the years, worked on it when i was in private practice, working on business deals in the middle east, worked on it at the International Science corporation and then when he went into the state department. It was actually my second time into the state department bill. The first time during the first bush 41, working on aid programs the former soviet union and Eastern Europe right when the wall came down, the polls and hungry and the Czech Republic were all opening up. I want to get back here to mentioning before that for you as a matter of course as a woman to pursue it and have the ambition, elective office, be from wyoming or anywhere else, was reachable and doable. Of course now we were lookingt an election here in a few months. One of the areas of focus in your role as chair of the republican conference and the house leadership is thinking about getting republicans elected, november in the house of representatives, and particularly one area focus has been getting elected. Your colleague Elise Stefanik has been highly focused on and then i believe the one of 97 republicans, maybe 13, are women. Give me your perspective on why that is the case and, number two, your thoughts about changing that number. While i think first of all, the number is way to look at where to do everything we can to get more women elected. More republican women. Secondly, its not an accident at the number is so low. Its important to remember that Speaker Pelosi was really effective at targeting are women, particularly if you look across california, you look at the kinds of tactics the democrats have put in place, things like ballot harvesting and others that have really particularly helped to ensure in some places i think unfairly that our women and our men candidates have beeneaten. Just for those who may not be as merry with the nomenclature of elections, and different to shave outcomes. What does that reference . While i mean as an example, young cam is running in california, she had more votes on election day. She won the election but then as absentee ballots came in and ballot harvesting really refers a tactic that the democrats have used extensively in california where they are volunteers, people who are paid to basically go around and collect absentee ballots. Make sure that people that may not know that they could vote even if they frankly are not here legally or if theyre not really qualified to vote, help to get those people ballots and help ensure that anybody who can do any kind of access to an absentee ballot votes, then they harvest those ballots. They go and collect and basically. We believe you should only be able to vote if you actually legally are qualified to vote. One thing thats important is where to clean up voter rolls so that people who were able to vote who do have the vote or legally qualified dont have their vote diluted by people who shouldnt be voting and, frankly, abusing the system. Are you optimistic that the number of elected women in the Republican House will increase this election cycle . I am. We have just a tremendous number of very wellqualified candidates across the board. I also think, i think its important that we not just elect women because of course there are some women like alexandria ocasiocortez, we need fewer of those kinds of members of congress. I think they have set the fuse that are dangerous point but i think we need to encourage women to jump in who may be sitting back thinking they dont have the experience or the expertise to take the lead and direct us how important it is to have their voice at the table. Another area i was thinking about, republicans, Electoral Prospects and some o challenges is young people. The demographic between 182930 points in 2016. We just talked about needing that group of americans, the 1829yearolds to support and vote republicans and share kind of the outlook of a liz cheney. You know, i think a lot of it has to do with the kinds of things that frankly Ronald Reagan spoke about and stood for. The idea of what we need to make sure that everybody in the society can prosper is we need ee opportunity, we need people to recognize and understand that the fight against socialism is a fight that goes fundamentally to whether or not we can exercise the individual rights that our constitution guarantees. And i think reagan, thatcher, too, were so important obviously historically but so important laying out the terms of that debate and in explaining to people what happens when nations adopt socialism. I think unfortunately today too many young people are attracted to the idea of socialism. Too many young people i think view that as somehow more equitable way to organize society when, in fact, what it does is it steals power from every single individual and gives it to the federal government. We need to really do a a better job at making those kinds of points so begin people understand that their future, their ability to affect the future, ability to make decisions for themselves and their families ultimately requires that we protect freedom, and protecting freedom cant be done if youre trying to expand government control and impose socialism. Want to drill down a second because one of the things that is not well known and is perhaps not intuitive is president reagans support amongst those in the same demographic we were discussing, 1829yearolds. When he left office that Group Support him by some polls over like 90 . Yeah, amazing. Its fair to say he was old by the time he left office, right . Can you talk about why that was the case . Part of it is what you just captured, this idea of freedom and in particular having the kind of substantive approach talking whats on the mind of a young person. Also about their future. That was a key component of what he spoke about. It was how president present rk at individuals but also spoke about the country. Very much richer oriented. Do you think the republicans that you see running for office across the country, you better insight, are focusing both about freedom and democratic socialism but also how that ties to a Young Persons future . When you look at the future of the International Global order, either the United States or the nations that defend freedom and believe fundamentally in freedom are going to determine what that looks like or communist party, Thechinese Communist Party and the leaders of the Chinese Government will make that determination. That is absolutely the battle thats underway right now and i think young people when they realize it, when they see whats happening, when they see the treatment of the leaders and they see what happened in hong kong and the extent to whichdoctors we spoke out against covid have been disappeared,these are things we need to do more to make sure people understand fundamentally the difference. This is not a moral equivalence. This is a situation where there is one power which is the totalitarian, which is communist, which will repress and oppress its people, who will kill people who disagree with them versus the United States of america which has always, absolutely we are not perfect. And we are going through right now domestically the kind of protests youreseeing around issues of race. But our defense of freedom is unmatched around the world and in history class i want to go back in a moment and drill down into china and this competition, not just from a security standpoint which you have depth on but you are referencing the competition of political ideas. You just hit onwhats going on at home and i want to focus on that for acouple of minutes. We have protests around Police Brutality and racism in this country. Just give me your take in terms of george floyd and what its triggered across the country and how you as a member of commerce in the congress is going to take that and address it in the u. S. Congress first of all the killing of george floyd was horrific and i think everyone who has seen that video recognizes it was horrific. One of the signs ive seen in the protests that i think is particularly moving is a sign that i think several protesters wrote that when george floyd called out for his mother he summoned all mothers and i dont think any of us who is a mother is unmoved by that. I think that we cannot live in a society where mothers of black children have to worry that because of the color of their skin or their childrens skin that when they leave the house they could find themselves killed by those who are supposed to be protecting us. I think its an issue we have to address and we have to deal with as a society but i also think that it is absolutely wrong for us to say that we are going to somehow condemn all Police Officers. I think that the moves that you seen in the last 48 hours to say that were going to Defund Police are ludicrous and what does worry me as you will see good people decide they are not going to go into Law Enforcement. Good people saying i dont need to put my life on the line every day if this is going to be asituation where i dont have the resources i need. I dont have the support i need or where im going to be charged by what has happened with people like that it police who killed george floyd. Go ahead. I was going to say as a government what we need to do is encourage first of all transparency. We need to make sure we are dealing with recruiting issues. Theres no way somebody who had as many complaints against them as that officer did, both before he joined the force and after could be on the force at all. And i think. [music] the level of training other officers. Thats another place where we need to make sure that we got a much stronger mentor and program. So theres no question that there are things we can do things that Police Forces around the country want help with and what support for. And i think thats important but when i see things like some of the graffiti, the attacks. I watched as youre building was being broken into. I was there as it was happening onthe live stream and the windows shattered. The graffiti thats been painted all over the wall and on the world war ii memorial. And the rioting andlooting. I think thats that does real damage to obviously our neighborhoods in the communities. A number of them where youve got black storeowners and other minorities who have built those businesses. Peoples lives on the line and we have to to sit and listen to each other and talk about these issues and we all have to come together to stand against that kind of writing and taking advantage of what is a really important moment for the country. You were just talking about police and Law Enforcement. You referenced before the surveys and we asked on the question of trusted institutions. Across the United States and police and Law Enforcement you really well. Consistently year after year that in our poll, americans said really overwhelmingly 74 percent that they have great or some confidence in police and Law Enforcement. You see that the degraded as a result of this or do you think that number we will see go down and in trust and confidence in the police . Will it go to the point where we have a problem . I hope not certainly roger and i think that a lot of this has to do with making sure we arehaving this conversation in a way that reflects reality. One of my colleagues piece daughter from minnesota served on police force for over 20 years and when you talk to pete about whats going on in minneapolis and across the country , pete says the Police Departments that are most effective are those that police with their community. Those that know the people in together. People who live in those communities and are in any community trying to raise their families. Want security, they want to know the police are going to be there to protect them and want to know the stores are going to be looted. I want to know that if retired Police Officers adorned with trying to protect a store from looting and was killed in cold blood. Those are the kinds of things that all of Society Needs to come together to stand against and i think those are the Police Forces that are policing with those communities are the ones that are most affected those are the ones we also ought to have a way we can more effectively care best practices so that the Police Forces that are doing the right thing and that are working with their communities ought to be able to share their lessons. Its almost like the most important data is howlocal communities view their local Law Enforcement. An analogy would be if you are greeted by the way the country used u. S. Congress you wouldnt be reelected. However to a greater extent by how those in wyoming, due to remarkably well and thats probably more important. This is all going on horse amidst this pandemic. And its every city and locality and state is taking their own approach. We think about the origins of covid19, you and others have focused on china and in particular how the Chinese Communist party conducted themselves in terms of transparency and making the world aware of what was going to come. More than 100,000 americans and scores more across the globe. Talk to us a little bit about your take on covid19 and another entry point in discussing china as well. I think that first of all, theres been this big debate about whether or not the Chinese Communist party, the government of china knowingly spread the virus and in my view that question has been answered and as soon as you recognize the fact that they stop travel from wuhan into the rest of china and they allowed travel from wuhan into the rest of the world, they knew they had transmission from human to human. And they knew it and thats why they stopped the travel into the rest of china but the fact that at that time they allowed travel intothe rest of the world, that the only answer that you need. We will be looking at continue to look at it come from the lab, did it come from the market, all those questions are important but in terms of culpabilitywe know the answer. Because the virus can be spread around the globe causing economic devastation. And you know, on the 10,000 americans at this point have been killed. Though this is devastation at the hands of the chinese. That mere conduct enough, the rest of it could be interesting but it doesnt change. I think this is just speculation on my part but i think that the Chinese Government made a very clear calculation. They knew they had human to human transmission and they know it was going to cause economic devastation and understood that if they did not allow it to transmit into the rest of the world devastation was only going to hit china and i think that they made a calculation. That they would rather be in a position frankly where that devastation was spread globally though it was not only affecting china negatively. But it is absolutely a situation which they are culpable and its only the latest example and the worst obviously, the most damaging example of the nature of that regime and their inability and unwillingness to operate as far as acivilized community of nations. Another fact which you are uniquely qualified and have experienced to address is the World Health Organization, an institution perhaps most americans were not familiar with. You certainly are from your time in congress and the state department. International organizations like the World Health Organization have to straddle countries that are competitors or even adversaries but in this case theres been a lot of criticism in terms of how the World Health Organization was complicit in terms of the chinese, well call it narrative with respect to covid19. The President Trump talked abou implemented a kind of hard to pin down the funding or not funding or something of that nature, with respect to the World Health Organization, whats your take on the who and how from a policy standpoint we should or should not engage with multinational institutions like the who when they are complicit. To take the view with the conduct of the Chinese Communist party. I think that the who has hugely important work that we expect to do whether its even before you get to the issues of covid when youre talking about issues related to people up , hivaids. They are important things that who was expected to do before the era of covid and the problem is when you get into looking at whats happened with covid, its not just that theyve been pushing the Chinese Communist party storyline that storyline as prevented us from being able to stop the spread of the disease and so when they were basically pushing out the talking points you saw coming out of china with respect to you dont have to worry about some of the human transmission and its contained and all those things the chinese wanted people to think that turns out wasnt true. I think that puts the who in a position where the organization is supposed to be helping to save livesbut probably took action that cost the lives. And i think that United States asked to pull these International Organizations accountable. They can be very important. But i think that for too long whats gone on youve seen this too. Anybody who spent time working for example theunited nations as i did when i was at the state department. Working with any of these International Organizations, there can be and there tends to be a very strong antiamerican bias in anumber of them , not to mention. Youre talking about the professional workforce that supports almost the executive branch that works for the united nations. Exactly and then you get into the thank goodness we pull out of the Human Rights Commission at the un but the fact that youve got countries like libya on the Human Rights Commission just tells you kind of what a tens o taxpayer dollars every year i think that the president has done the right thing in terms of saying were not going to continue to provide that kind of Financial Support if these organizations are doing the job they were intended to do. They become just a forum to bash america and it as is the case with the who are probably causing lives rather than saving them. Itsmp of some kind, its important to track global handouts. So we can Work Together to defeat them. But when those organizations become as politicized as a half thats not an accident, the government of china is working very hard and very aggressively in many instances to see those very same attorney at positions you mentioned. With people who are supportive of an beholden to them and i think its dangerous. It is dangerous and it comes down to how would you hold these institutions accountable, how do you hold china accountable for their conduct. Amidst covid, you had china passing a National Security law for hong kong. Another example of where taking international agreements, agreement between the United Kingdom and china with respect to hong kong, one country, two systems and allowing hong kong toremain independent and democratic. Thats then walked back. Almost by every expert account with this mass security law amidst this covid pandemic. What is the us role . Youre a big advocate of the us maintaining its leadership role in the world and in particular as we discussed earlier with respect to democracy. Your take on whats gone on with hong kong, the National Security law and the us role. I think this is a crucially important issue and i think that the United States is uniquely positioned to be able to lead the nations of the free world. There really is no other country that can dothat. No other country that will do that. And if you look at folks like that book by bob kagan that came out a few years ago where kagan talks about and i agree with him that it is not an accident that the last 75 years we have looked to a time of unparalleled peace and prosperity and freedom. It is because the nation that was the most powerful on earth have the strongest economy and the Strongest Military was the United States of america which was fundamentally based, founded on, believed on the values of theenlightenment and of freedom. We are uniquely able to leave the world and we should because its right and we should because its necessary for our continued security and freedom and prosperity and that idea is being tested today in the United States. Its being tested in our political debates that are going on and its being tested globally. The government of china would love for people to believe that democracy is too messy. Thats their line, its too messy. Its too complicated. You ought to throw your lot in with us, with china. Theyre going around the world blackmailing countries to accept infrastructure, blackmailing countries over huawei and 5g and many countries are beginning to understand that a deal with the devil, be understanding the cost of entering into those arrangements with china. Certainly china even been blackmailing countries over medical supplies to help them respond to covid. That actually didnt work. I think weve seen positive moves for example from the government of the uk , recognizing if they allow huawei to play a role in their 5g, its going to put at risk our intel structure within and covid has laid bare the true nature of that regime. One of the things that stands out with respect to china and us views of china and us leadership in the world is that you recalled the poll that we did at the end of last year where almost 70 percent of americans, 60 percent of those polled support the prodemocracy movement in hong kong even if its anchors china and of course thats before covid. I think i a President Trump would be surprised to hear andcertainly those on the other side of the aisle from you also. They not believe or certainly dont think thats the rule for america but its overwhelming, that american support standing by those nations, maybe they dont support boots on the ground to dthat but only rhetorically and other things we can do on the economic front and global front there seems to be strong support for. I think its even it is bipartisan actually. I think that when you think about when you look at what america has stood for and why, stan with those who are fighting for freedom is really important and i think it goes back to again, the contrast they mostly talked about how much it meant. What difference it made to him and his fellow political prisoners. In the glide when Ronald Reagan book about them read it when Ronald Reagan spoke about america standing up for its conscience and i think thats what americashould be and its a tremendous strength for us. So i think that unfortunately because werein an Election Year , you do see the more partisanship around these issues connected to theus policy towards china and you otherwise would. But even before covid if youd asked me what is an issue on which there is bipartisan agreement, i would have said taking a stronger policy position towards the government of china. I think that that is something that you will find and now, in the aftermath of covid i would if it werent for Speaker Pelosi trying to sort of impose your way and not participate from partisan reasons in our china task force, you find strong majorities in both parties know we have to hold china accountable. This is the task force in the congress and outdoor representatives now made up of republican members of congress, looking at all aspects of the challenges posed by china, did i get that right . Its shared by michael cole who is the Ranking Member of the Foreign Affairs committee and there are about 15 of us on the task force looking at issues ranging from National Security strategy including sort of what we need to do at the pentagon, what we need to do about economic warfare. Cyber security. Ideology. Really looking across the board at the relationship with china and what the United States needs to do to ensure that we maintain our supremacy. And to ensure that we protect ourselves as well. I want to get back to the pentagon and National Security because youre such a strong leader on the subjects but before we do i want to close out the discussion we had on hong kong. I have no doubt if theres someone listening , perhaps very focused on whats going on in the country right now, the question will arise. Are we really in a position, do we have any moral authority to stand with those in hong kong protesting for their own freedom of democracy went to Many Americans on the street testing right now theyll say we have our own challenges. We have our own difficulties as you referenced before racism and Police Brutality. And even do we even have a footing to stand on to talk to others about their assault on freedom and democracy. I think certainly the Chinese Communist party would like to draw an equivalence there. And i think that for example there members of Chinese Communist party, members of china who been active on twitter. Which i think is interesting and i want even that certainly nobody in their country could be active on twitter if they wanted to, i dont even think you can get access to twitter for the most part. You cant tweet. So i think they would like to draw that parallel and of course its completely wrong. Of course the United States of america has throughout its histy gone through periods of time where we have been able to come together and approve improve the country. Improve fundamentally the extent to which our freedoms applied to everybody. When the constitution was first had slavery in this country. Women couldnt participate. And we have made huge strides to help to prevent this republic and we will continue to work on that. We are a society based on freedom based on the notion that you can publicly assemble. You can criticize or government, that you can speak out and i know the government of china would like people to think theres some moral equivalence but when they have been in the last several months killing doctors force keeps speaking out when they beensilencing political opponents for years. When you look atthe death toll , hundreds of millions killed throughout the rain of the Chinese Communist party, theres just simply no comparison so each time that the icy any of the members of the government of china tried to engage on twitter and suggest that somehow a welcome opendebate and discussion , i always applaud those who send back to those members of the government names of individuals who been disappeared to say listen, lets start the discussion im talking to these actors we simply no longer exist. You probably killed them but lets talk to some of the people you have disappeared. Its one of the reasons why you pass legislation to rename the street in front of the Chinese Embassy in washington dc to doctor lee when wang to one of the first to notify and warn the world about covid. Thats working towards a more Perfect Union that fundamentally, we have a tunity and we celebrate when our citizens do that. Those are a set of pointsthat the Chinese Communist party can never make. Because its, their system does not allow for it and important to say that the mere fact that they feel they have to pretend that their system is like ours really tells you something about the weakness of their system. They cannot selltheir system. They cannot let people actually choose because nobody would choose communism, nobody would choose the Chinese Communist party if they had a fair vote. So they cant for that but you know thats fundamentally what people want to believe in only have to pretend that their system that freedom. Even when its very clumsy attempts as people know propaganda. Great point and i can talk about this with you for would want. I want to hit on one last point is a challenge you will please no doubt next Congress Perhaps before then we will get to our lightning round. But you know, you mentioned the pentagon. We talked about covid19, e of is of course as of course spend the stimulus that the congress has passed and the tremendous amount of spending. Of course the federal government has done to help manage the economic crisis. The economic components of the covid19. That has led to many okay, we have to get our house in order when it comes to spending which is cyclical in washington and last time we went through this in a serious way was after the great recession. And the need to get our spending together. That is inevitable i think many people believe always the first on the list of things that will have to be cut an our defense budget. Ourspending support, the pentagon and the military. Do you anticipate that there will be defense cuts in our future regardless of the outcome of the election . I certainly hope not. And will quite as hard as possible and i know my colleagues will as well to prevent. As you know roger, were already in a situation where the joint chiefs have said repeatedly weve got to have 35 percent real growth annually in order to be able to carry out the mission of National Defense tragedy. Theyre not there. Were flat this year which through inflation is actually a reduction so that is even before covid and before the tremendous impact of covid on the force in terms of having to cancel exercises and other things. So i think were in a situation where we have to make sure that we dont need those kinds of cuts. And i think that as you pointed out, certainly because of theresources that we had to appropriate , there is absolutely a necessity and there was before that to look at the debt. I think the debt is a nationalsecurity crisis. You cant ever balance the budget onthe back of the defense department. And i think that when you see things happening frankly the an just had over the weekend that we might, the president might be ordering the withdrawal of forces out of germany, i think thats a hugemistake. And this is a moment where we need to be clear with our allies and clear for our adversaries that we are not going to abandon our allies that we are not going to abandon the role the United States has played in the world that has kept us safe and free. And in fact the cost of abandoning thats role in the world ultimately will be much higher. The cost of inaction if you think about a world in which china is the rules or iran or north korea, the cost of us failing to act now will be almost immeasurable later. So i think its crucially important that we dont go down that path. This almost gets to bob diggins that the 75 year period that weve enjoyed of freedom and prosperity came because we made those serious investments in guaranteeing the free flow of goods andthe spread of freedom. Whats interesting is most people assume that its good politics to bring, to close bases lets say in germany which the president plans to do but president obama advocated the same thing, to rebuild at home but weve seen in our po]ing that an overwhelming number of americans support and the number was 65 percent maintaining us bases overseas because they believe and understand those bases are the guarantoof freedom and prosperity and commerce that delivers it. From a political standpoint, is there an effective way to kind of capture that because of course if they believe those bases are there to engage in armed conflict, and 100,000 boots on the Ground Fighting iraq and afghanistan all of a sudden politically thats a big loser. How doyou straddle that line when you talk to your constituents and other members of congress . I really think that comes down to the facts. It comes down to when you are talking about what our forces in afghanistan are needed to dotheir , were talking about maintaining a presence that allows us to prevent terrorists from forming safe havens and americans wld much rather be able to prevent the establishment of safe havens elsewhere, be able to fight terrorists elsewhere and having to fight them here inside the United States and i think thats a very basic fact about whats necessary in order to be able to continue our counterterrorism, our intelligence operations inthe middle east but when youre talking about europe ,when youre talking about correia , those are places where our forces have been stationed for years not because we are at war in europe but because we know we have to deter. Because we know the best way to prevent aggression or for example by the russians or in asia by the chinese is to work with our allies to make maintain the peace. I think that Jean Kirkpatrick and Ronald Reagan, the notion of peace through strength means something and weakness invites aggression and i think that is a lesson that the rand pauls of the world never seem to recognize. Its a lesson that we seem to have to learn generation after generation. To really learn it. But defending ourselves means that we have a military that is taken to none. That we have the capacity and the will to take action if we are threatened and that we will do that and that is how you prevent people from taking action against us. That is how you ensure you dont actually have to go to war because people know that if they attack us, if they threaten our interests or our allies we will respond and i think ultimately, as we start to see these moves to pull our forces home and to walk away from those alliances, nato is the single most Effective Alliance in the history of mankind. I would be willing to say, certainly the single most effectivemilitary alliance. In terms of what nato has managed to prevent in terms of the freedom that nato has managed to guarantee and its no wonder that Vladimir Putin would like to see nato diminished and i think its important the United States of america will obtain that objective. Are going to jump to the lightning round. Great words by congresswoman cheney. The lightning round to remind you is where we have all our guests at the podcast to share withus their favorite quotes from president reagan or it could be when he was governor reagan or when he was between office. Favorite speech and or Favorite Book about the president so you can share that either one, two or all three. There are so many tochoose from as you know roger. But my dad and i wrote a book several years ago called why the world needs a powerful american and the beginning of the book is a Ronald Reagan quote and so im going to actually read it because its a really important quote and i want to make sure i get it exactly right. This is from march 23, 1983. President reagan said it is up to us in our time to choose and choose wisely between the harm, hard but necessary task is reserving peace and freedom and the temptation to ignoreour duty and blindly hope for the best while the enemies of freedom grow stronger day by day. And i think that that quote really describes the duty and obligation of the United States of america through all time that particularly today its much easier to look the other way. Its much easier to say we arent going to continueto stand up for freedom around the world. But if we do that it will strengthen the enemies of freedom and that puts our own security at risk. We will have to leave it there congresswoman cheney, thank you for joining the reaganism podcast. First ladies, influence and image on American History tv examines the private lives and public roles of the nations first ladies through interviews with top historians. Wednesday night we look at Rachel Jackson and emma harrison, leticia tylerand julia tyler. Watch first ladies influence and image wednesday at 8 pm eastern on American History tv on cspan three. What do you think we can do about that . With Police Report reform protest and the coronavirus affecting the country watch our liveunfiltered coverage of the governments response withbriefings from the white and mayors from across the country. 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