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This is just the beginning. Good afternoon. Im sarah, executive editor at axios, and welcome to our lives event. Many of your joining us live from wherever you are. We are Live Streaming on facebook, youtube, on twitter and, of course, you can also catch us on axios. Com. If you are on twitter you can join the conversation by using the hashtag axios events and be sure to include our handle at axios. Lets get started. Im coming to today live from a home in washington, d. C. And today we have a very big conversation. Our event is the epidemic of inequality. And today will have an important conversation about systemic racism in our country. The reason were here was marked by the death of george floyd in minneapolis but as everyone has seen in the streets, in cities and in states across our country over the past 11 days theres an underlying problem that is yet to be fully addressed, and with adequate reforms and justice. So today were bringing you four speakers, two with a National Perspective and two with a local perspective to begin to have a conversation about whats next and where we go from here. Let me just tell you who we have coming up today. We have derrick johnson, ceo of the naacp. We have nelson carter, mayor of st. Paul, minnesota, we have lovely born, mayor of rochester, new york, and we have congressman bobby rush of illinois. So first i want to start with our first guest is president and ceo of the naacp, derrick johnson. While come. Hes joining live from jackson, mississippi. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much. The first question i want to ask you, derek, is about this moment. And where do we go from here . With seeing so many protests before. We have seen the beginning of the black lives Matter Protest Movement in the movement begin many years ago. And yet when we think about the problems and where to start, it does seem a bit overwhelming. It seems like so many things are entrenched in our institutions, some would ask you a think whats on a lot of americans minds right now, which is what you think is a first place to start . As we look at the situation in minneapolis, and you are so quick, its not isolated to minneapolis. This is a systemic decades long problem of racism. And for us to begin to heal as a nation and to move forward, we really need to talk about the structural changes thats going to be required in those changes are inside of Public Policy. Anytime you want to structural change the Public Policy you have to evaluate do we have the right people in office . Do have the right people in the seats who are charged with the responsibility of reviewing and executing Public Policy . Naacp in many cases we do not have the correct people so the next step is novembers election. We have to execute a strategy for all americans to really decide what direction or going to go in . Are going to go into the future and turn out the vote to put in place individuals who can implement Public Policy to address the systematic systemic problems of this nation . Or are we going to go backwards as we been doing the last four years in truly default devolveo something that we should not be in 2020 . And let me start i guess one place the seems obvious from this moment is to start looking at the police. Because Police Report has been tried in many places. I want to point to an article we had two axios reporters looking at some suggestion, three suggestions will look at the police. I want to get your thoughts on this. One of them is looking at how we on allow lawsuits, just allowing lawsuits against Police Departments, against individuals, lets just take that one. The Police Officer involved in minneapolis, all the Police Officers are now facing criminal charges which you know is very unusual. And civil rights charges are also open and possible, at a wanted to hear you talk about qualified image of a catheter most people are not as familiar with the could you tell us a little bit about that . Qualified immunity is a court of the policy that was in place. What happens with the Police Officers are able to carry out that access some of those acts are actually intentional, but because of the burden of proof to show that their intent tweeted these bad acts, its very difficult to hold them accountable and bring charges against them successfully. You can file the charges but the burden is so high to prove its a difficult open accountable. Thats why Police Officer unable to operate for the level of impurity that when you get a few that officers or you have a Police Department with a bad culture, communities like penalized as was a because theres no accountability mechanisms in place. Lets talk about that. You hear so much of the cover sheet about just get rid of the bad apples, but actually there somebody steps to getting there even if the are identified officers with a record or they have been disciplined. Lets go to the next issue, transparently. Just for the public to know who those offices are, is something thats only available in a handful of states, a few dozen states of leave and in some states like in new york its the law that prevents the public from seeing those records. Where do we go on that . The state of new york, for example, our state conference, a have a big push to change the law in new york. The governor has agreed to support the change in law, so now we have to get the legislative to adopt it. But even when you have states that are signed on the question, many Police Unions negotiate in their contract that the records of officers are not publicly disclosed. And what happens in the case, an officer could create a lot of problems indiscipline in one agency, and then move on to another agency and no one ever knows that he actually, or she actually, was a problem or a bad apple. In addition to officers immunity standout, even though they know among their ranks u. S. Individuals who are committing illegal acts or ask that about our becoming a Law Enforcement agency. So for the naacp there needs to be a federal policy requires the complete transparency on officers and how they have been acting in the line of duty. And the third point is really obvious from the case of george floyd, that is of the use of force, that theres just no uniformity about what is appropriate use of force. Ive heard Police Officers, different cities use than the on the neck technic, for example, and others do not. The knee on the neck. Is that a local issue or National Issue . Again after some uniformity and best practices that Law Enforcement agencies should adhere to, some type of protocol that is across the board. I grew up in the city of detroit six minutes from windsor academy. We would go across the bridge for under the tunnel when i was in High School Just to go to the clubs over there. Police officers didnt carry guns. They see themselves as part of the community. Oftentimes there were positive interactions because they understand the role of officers is to protect and serve, and they took more service a part of the equation very serious. For africanamerican commutes across the state they believe they have to police, and police put them in a posture of aggression. That aggression oftentimes leads to a level of violence against innocent individuals such as george floyd. So we should never have an agency that allow placing ones knee and wait on someones neck when they are subdued and not resisting. They are handcuffed and their laying flat on their stomach. Thats a very dangerous posture, and when you applied the additional pressure on the neck, one must ask, are you actually trying to cause serious injury or are you trying to arrest . And in this case for eight minutes and 46 seconds we believe there was some intentional, some intentionality there, that is trying to cause serious injury and or to kill mr. Flynn in broad daylight. I want to ask you something a little bit different now that happened just in the last 24 hours here this is more about our culture. Im sure you saw the news that Virginia Governor Ralph Nordstrom announced he would be tearing down the confederate statute in the city of richmond, including that of confederate leader robert e. Lee. I want to do what you think of this. We seem to have been her before and have this conversation but i wonder if you like this time does feel different . It absolutely feels different. This nation, with the live in duality. That derailed as a constitution that states very clearly that all men and adding women are created equal or entitled to certain inalienable rights, but yet we have allowed a large segment of our population through our textile appropriation to celebrate the confederacy. That duality is alive and well not only in many Southern States across the country. In the state of mississippi where i reside, the federal battle emblem is a bit in the state flag, the last flag. You go across the landscape, you will find many towns and municipalities named after confederate soldiers. That duality is inconsistent with being a patriot, looking at the constitution. That duality has resorted in a mindset of white supremacy. The confederate, confederacy of the civil war was fought over the states rights to maintain free labor because of the supremacy of a race. And we should no longer be celebrating that, and that exact same time say we are patriot amber committed to the constitution. That duality can no longer be accepted. Thank you, derrick. Its been great to talk with you. Thank you for giving us so much of the time this afternoon. We really appreciate it. Thank you for the opportunity. And thats again then ceo of the naacp, derrick johnson. And now for our next segment unpredicted over to my colleague, margaret is a white house and politics editor, and shes with the next guest. Thank you so much. Our next guest is st. Paul, minnesota, mayor Melvin Carter joining us live from st. Paul. Mayor, are you there . Im right here, thank you very much. Its wonderful to see you think is so much for joining us today. Look, i want to get started with think the most obvious question, st. Paul and minneapolis are the twin cities. How are you doing right now and how is your city . I think much like the rest of the country and the rest of the world right now. We woke up a little over a week ago to yet again another video tape of an unarmed, and aggressive africanamerican man being brutally murdered by Law Enforcement. Not just one officer, not just the one officer with his knee on mr. Floyds neck but as has been discussed, the three officers who helped either by holding down or by guarding the scene. Theres an enormous amount of hurt, an enormous amount of trauma and theres an enormous amount of anger that in 2020 we are still experiencing this same theme over and over again in a country. Can you give us a sense, weve seen tv that is not like me on the ground, can you give us a sense of the physical toll and emotional toll that the last week or two has taken on your city . The physical toll is staggering, but easier to describe and the emotional toll. We in st. Paul in one night of damage had over 170 businesses damaged or destroyed. We actually have lawmakers out touring them yesterday touring kind of our main area those impacted just yesterday. Of course thats not only Business Owners looking to rebuild, thats workers out of work and seniors who need prescriptions filled, and lisa need groceries for the children, or gas for the cars displaced and try to figure out how to get those products to the emotional toll is much heavier. As you know, the world knows the name george floyd today, this week, and his name doesnt stand alone. It added to a too long list of in particular black and brown men and women who weve seen die monthly advance of Law Enforcement. We had a boost of energy when we saw charges filed against those offices, but heres the thing. When were all eyewitnesses through video to a murder and we all know just how ingest it is, and we all sit with bated breath waiting to see if those officers will even be charged, let alone face jail time, that speaks volumes about the state of our Justice System in america today. You are the first africanamerican mayor of st. Paul. Your mother was in politics. Her father was a Police Officer. Can you share with us how those experiences, i think your third or fourth generation from the city, how has your families experience shaped the way that you can respond and that you are proud of in this moment . I think it maybe give me a unique perspective, as you make it my dad served almost three decades as a st. Paul Police Officer, as i grip praying for the sake of officers. I grew up and turn it on the news and sing some horrific event that happened and being scared that maybe my dad was involved and i grew up hearing from my father, the stories of his service. I grew up hearing from him things i can offices duty to someone who is hurting, theres never a pause, never a break from that duty. I grew up seeing the way my father would use that badge and that uniform as he patrolled the neighborhood he grew up in, the neighborhood he was raising his children, the neighbor he goes to the Grocery Store and literally pick up Football Games and basketball games, as he patrolled that neighborhood. I got a chance to see him use that badge and that uniform as an amazing and incredible force for good. I saw that, a kid, a superhero cape. But then of course i 2027488002 asserted driving on a met a whole lot more of his colleagues back then. Where fortune in st. Paul the chief, a a history of chiefs wo have been focused on Committee Relations who have been focused on hiring for mark unity and diversify our Police Department, our last class was 77 diverse and those things are helping but we all know even though what happened last week wasnt our Police Department when Something Like that happens, it sets us all back. Did you feel going up even though your father was in the police force that your subject to racial profiling or to a different standard of treatment by Police Officers . Undoubtedly, all the time. We dont have time for me to share with you the stories between growing up in minnesota and going to college in florida and driving all over the deep south. We dont have time for me to share with you the number of experiences i personally had with Law Enforcement growing up. People would ask me did you tell them how you were . Either when i was a young person growing up with my father Police Officer and internal affairs sometimes are when is on the city council. My response would always be the same. If we think the fact that my father is a Police Officer with the fact im a City Council Member would change the way im treated by the Police Department, well then, isnt that the problem in and of itself . You talked a lot this week about not confusing piece with patients. Can you tell those of us who are tuning in today what that means . When we talk about peace, when we talk about like peacefully demonstrating i think they can start to sound like we mean dont do anything. Start to sound like we mean take a seat or anybody just go back home. Or maybe ive got it, dont worry about it, altimeter you later what we did. Thats not our call at all. Im not asking for people to be impatient. Im not asking for people to wait while we slowly and incrementally turn the tide of unarmed and aggressive black men and women killed by Law Enforcement. Im asking people to the just as in patient im asking people to press just a start, asking people to push just as aggressively and just as as a suitably on social media and community at state capitals and in washington, d. C. And every other venue we can. Make no mistake, the energy reaching at least across our over the past week or so is the energy that built this country. Its the energy that abolished slavery pickets the energy that saw us through civil rights, and thats the only way, im a well intended mayor and im working on this, our governor, our mayors, our senators and legislators, weve already proven, we cannot do this, we cannot turn this tide without the force and energy of the American People that weve seen this week. You add an earlier conversation was, does this moment feel different . My response is this moment feels like it can be different. It depends on what we do next. I want to ask one more question and if we had time ive a couple of questions id love to add on but my question is obviously theres been a pandemic, and there is this question about whether people who have gone out because protest have been so important for them whether they could become sick or at risk. Im just wondering how youre weighing those considerations and whether you concerned about a second weight in your city . We are definitely concerned about a second wave intercity and across america, as the protests and as people come out. We are prayerful that doesnt turn into a super spreader event in our country. But to be clear were facing not just one pandemic, we are facing multiple pandemics of disparity, of inequity, of these longterm systemic racism that weve seen play out not just in minnesota and across our country. And ill tell you if theres one thing that really shows and illustrates really strongly the fact that we have a long way to go spiritually as a country to figure out how to get ourselves to the other side, is the president , its today. Suggest on a monthly jobs report that today is a good day, that today would be a good day for george floyd, despite the fact that he is been killed by Law Enforcement, despite the fact we have a president who has refused to a knowledge that theres even a problem, despite the fact that one in three in minnesota, one in three African Americans has filed for unemployment insurance. Weve seen this healthcare Pandemic Impact africanamericans most who account for 1 13 one 13th ofh pollution but well over 20 as far as covid19 death. As weve seen all of these things play out over and over and over again, it is very clear that while 43 million americans have filed for an apartment insurance in the past few months, billionaires have increase their wealth by over 500 billion, the paper economy the present cellaring today with unfortunate most likely not be helping george floyd today. Mayor Melvin Carter of what you think you do much for joining with us and want to wish you all the best as you work with your city going forward. Thanks for having me on. Sarah, back to you. And now im here with mayor lovely war in. She the mayor of rochester, new york, and she joins me now. Thank you so much for being here with us. Thank you for having me, sara. Really appreciate the opportunity to talk about this very important topic. Thank you. You know, its been two weeks now that people have been protesting since the death of george floyd. And its really important, many people are asking what comes next . Had which and all this energy, all of this passion you are seen on the streets into real reform and to real action . I understand you already have taken some steps in a sea of rochester to address some Police Reform with the neighborhood policing approach, with the body cameras and eliminating Traffic Cameras in your city. But i want to ask you, what do you think needs to still happen at the city level . I think that from a cities perspective we need to make sure that we understand first and foremost the underlying conditions that many people in communities face. And we need to be not only listening but we need to legislate changes that really can impact what people are feeling on the ground level. And so that is making sure that our offices are properly trained. We have already in our city implemented by the cameras. We have already made sure that our policies and procedures do not condone either choke holds or putting your derek knee on someones neck. We require that our officers report any incidences of course and that they hold each other accountable. And when they have not opened up in challenging times or with people acted outside of policies and procedures, it is imperative that we hold those bad actors accountable so that the community can have trust that they need to make sure that they are safe. We also instituted a civilian and please accountable review board that is one that Council Passed legislation. We had a referendum on on ballot that the Community Support overwhelmingly, and so this is not something that you can just do in times of turmoil. This is something you have to make a part of your everyday business, and i believe the relationship between the community and the police will get better because of it. Yes, you raise Community Review board and there been other similar public boards in cities across the country, but oftentimes they dont have a whole lot of authority at the end of the day. They dont have a lot of power. There are so many layers of issues that cities and made every familiar with that build progress, build change from taking place, and in particular with just being able to get rid of officers who are a problem. What will the board in your city be able to do that is different . So the legislation that has been, of course it was challenged by the police union and we are currently our city council is currently in the process of appealing, would give our Police Accountability board the authority to actually decide the punishment along with the chief of Police Officers that is outside of, outside of our procedures and protocols. Answer our Police Accountability board will have the authority. That authority was challenged in court, and the lower court actually agreed with the police union, and we are in in a procs of appealing that decision right now. Today, i join with the new york state black, puerto rican and asian caucus to call for the repeal of 58, which is a state law that allows for Police Records to be sealed to the public, and their review of the force cannot be shared. So were calling for that law to be repealed. And were making sure, or hoping to make sure that our civilian review board has the power that it needs to exercise discipline as well as information that they need. I understand and i wanted to talk to you about, i understand you are from the union family. Of course many cities across the country, the Police Departments are represented by Police Unions, the workforce. But protesters in your city, i know many, many others, protesters are putting the blame at just one part of this problem, at the feet of unions who feel like they just have too much authority to prevent mayors and Police Chiefs firmly disciplining officers or taking action or firing them. In minneapolis, you know, the officer involved that there accused of murder had a record. What do you say to that . What do you feel needs to change . So i dont think that its an either or. I dont blame the union, per se. I think that the unions job is to represent its members, we need to put in place a policy, the procedures, and the laws that allow not only cities but state governments and the federal government to be able to deal with people that do not follow those laws. And that is the problem that we have right now. It should not be difficult to deal with people that are acting outside of their sworn duty and their sworn oath. We need to be allowed to hold them accountable so that the community that theyre serving as well as their brothers and sisters serving alongside them understand there will be consequences for acting outside of the policies and procedures that have been setby our community and by our city. One thing i wanted to ask you about is just the culture of policing and the leadership set in the city from the top and how do we have this discussion about if only people of color were more represented at the top, leading cities, leading Police Departments, that that would really change things. The striking thing about you is you are an africanamerican woman is the mayor of a big city. Youve got a police chiefwho is also africanamerican. Do you think that makes a difference . I think ultimately the Police Department should reflect the communities they serve and i think that reflecting the community it serves plays a part in how we actually govern as a city and as a Police Department because there are certain cultural aspects that people need to be aware of and so for example one time we had a situation that happened here in rochester where a family was upset and an officer of color came to the mother and said if you calm down, your children will calm down. There are certain cultural aspects to be aware of and having a diverse police force, one that reflects the community that it serves helps everybody in the situation be able to either the escalate or understand what needs to happen across the board to make sure that not only are Police Officers can go home safely but the community can go homesafely as well. Thank you so much for joining us. Its mayor Leslie Warren of rochester new york , thank you so much. Thank you sarah and thank you for the opportunity. And next were going to turn it back to margaret. We had the opportunity to talk with margaret of illinoisyesterday. Bobby rush represents illinois First District in the House District on energy and commerce and is a civil rights activist, pastor and a member of the Congressional Black Caucus. Hello and thank you for taking the time to join us. I have been so happy and im excited to the on your program and this is a great moment for me i want to thank you, its so goodseeing you. I guess i want to start a long time back ago because you were part of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee in the 1960s of course. You founded the illinois chapter of the blackpanthers so i guess i want to take you back to 1968. These protests now and those protests then, how did they compare . Marion , anumber of comparisons. And there are differences, i think that for the majority of blocks who were in 1968, there is antiwar movement, they were protesting against the vietnam war and the Africanamerican Community clearly, there were some coalition but the Africanamerican Community was allowing voting rights. In the south. In the north around housing and around Police Brutality and those are the things that require indication, those were the protests and of distinction so in order for them to be coming together, organize white protesters, they had to be a real intentional effort of violent coalition. And further, ive seen the coalescing of Community Organizations and individuals and in so many different ways. Beautiful way. Better ways but i dont see many organizational coalescing in these margins i think that ultimately we have to get to a position where we are in order to have a sustained effort towards change in this environment we have to coalesce around organized efforts around different organizational compassion capacities and around a common expression. Let me be clear, i think that being antipolice or Police Reform movement, the social Justice Movement as being expressed today on the nation in a righteous way, those. [inaudible] the Environmental Movement which is more organized in that community and their common space for the Environmental Movement and the Police Reform movement to come together and organizational coalition. That means that you got to have an organization, you cant be an organization without organization. So protesters good start there needs to be concrete goals. Yes. A department. And. [inaudible] class got sustainedorganizing in the community. Talking about bowls, specific goals youre working towards your course at introduced legislation called the emmett till antilynching and it would make lynching a federal crime and believe it or not understand theres been around 200 efforts over many years to do that and theyve never been successful and its very close now, theres bipartisan support and the senate has a version that similar what you would like to see emmett tills name and bill and this weekly we learned senator rand paul from kentucky a republican is the senator who is blocking so i want to ask you have you spoken yet with senator paul about how you can moveforward . I have not. I think senator booker, senator scott and senator harris are talking with him and they had some discussions with him so i have leave that up to him. You take his word that its a matter of modification or do youbelieve hes trying to stall the bill . I think hes trying to do the bill and the build is a compromise, its not my original warning, not mine originally constructed my house still but i was one only to compromise and we came up with this compromise. Even with the compromise, even with the version that had already passed, and that version passed out of the house with 410 members of the house voting against it so we had this 410 to 4. Even with all that, erin paul wants to get the bill and im thinking hes acting as a scoundrel here and he will be treated and consigned as a scoundrel of Good Standing in the law, standing in the pathway, standing in the doorway of passing a federal antilynching bill after over 100 years of attempting to pass antilynching bill. Do you believe that your bills will ultimately pass mark senator mcconnell seems to say he could support it. Weve heard from white house officials that president from consigned legislation like this and given the moment you think this bill will passnow, that senator paul . If it doesnt pass now, then i dont believe that it will pass. But i am asking, im an optimist. I may prudent man. I really believe that this bill is reached a moment. That the confluence of history has told me this time that there is enough outcry to say that this bill as an act can really pass and theres no federal legislation at this time against lynching. I apologize, if President Trump actually were to sign this legislation, do a signing ceremony would you be willing to go to the white house to take part in to stand byhis side . I would submit that if he would sign thebill , i think that politics of the moment, although it would mean. [inaudible] this bill far exceeds the outcome of any president ial election and i certainly think i would minimize potential danger to as soon as i left his side i would reiterate my support for joe biden. I stand behind him until such time as the president of the united states. Finally signs and antilynching bill. Making lynching a federal crime. I want to ask you one more question before we go. I understand that you may have an additional piece of legislation dealing with federal crimes and lynching that you may be rolling outas soon as next week , can you tell us more about that . That bill is also under the subject of lynching, that bill was made the killing of george lloyd and all elements that were present in and tells lynching were present. There wasnt anything missing. The normal ideas or perception of alynching is a tree and a rope. They didnt have a tree and a rope. They hadboth george lloyd, they had a knee on the neck. But the fact that he was asphyxiated, that is modern lynching. That is the way you kill most animals. By asphyxiation. So i think in this instance and other instances, that you have a Police Officer who will step outside the realm of legality and to the realm of illegality to law and may in fact be acting as a lynch mob in the example of george lloyd. So having federal Police Murder and as always as a lynching, i think its highly improbable. And it would include Law Enforcement although for me, the responsible and held accountable under the federal law. In 2012 you are admonished with a lot of gavel banging when you wore a hoodie and sunglasses onto the house floor to speak about the killing of trey von martin and i watched that video again this week and it honestly made me cringe to watch the whole episode unfold and i guess im wondering whether you think you would get that same treatment today if you did that again today or whether attitudes andleadership have changed since then. I think that the democratic leadership has evolved in some very progressive ways. And i think that it involves some progressive ways but that was political theater and frankly, at my age , in my life, im black and i think thats the inner is important. But theater is just that. Theater. Its what we do with our daily existence. What we do and until we deal with racism in america, until we deal with the ideal life in america, a white person in america and everybody else having this or in time, entitled to a lesser life been a white life, enjoying racism in all its aspects, until we deal with racism at the center of the american thought, american psychology, american policy, until we deal with those aspects of lynching, but i think that political theater is just that, it is therefore a moment but we need more not to knowbecause. [inaudible] to working differently, thinking of others differently in our nation and i think that americans challenged their institute to the world, americans show that it can undergo prominent slavery, africanamericans and lynching humans, then this country can make, can build from that story, they can build our nation where everybody is treated with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Where everybody is treated with love for one another and everybody is treated with equal access to the american promise is far greater at any other nation promise in the history of the world and until everybody hasaccess to the American Dream , to the american promise, to the american potential. I think that we are, we will never receive that moment that we will were created for. Congressman ross, thank you very much for speaking with us today. You so very much. Missking, keep on fighting. Keep on fighting. Now back to you sarah. And welcome back. Thank you so much. Those interviews these conversations are so important at this moment, i just want to take a moment to thank margaret hallows, my colleague for those conversations that she brought. Those last two were recorded yesterday from myself and with margaret. And i want to thank all of our guests who got so much, so many ideas to this conversation at a vocal level and at the national level. I want to thank Derek Johnson , the ceo and president of the naacp. I received bobby rush just heard from. Ofillinois, on his home in chicago and our two mayors , mayor nelson carter, of st. Paul minnesota and mayor Leslie Warren ofrochester new york. If you so much and thank you for spending so much time with us today. On our live event on the epidemic of inequality at axioms. We appreciate your time and join us. We have more than a week, we have a lot of great information and journalism for you to followin our newsletter. That i ask you to subscribe to and you can follow along on the latest news at axios. 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