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Breathe which is written as a letter to her sons. Heres a portion of that program. People here when you say i wonder if why they irredeemable and they hear all white people as individuals as opposed to whiteness as an identity that is clone two. So when i go to the second paragraph and unlike what if we took this identity apart, the people had a different history or body but it would be a different relationship to identity but i think what potentially we have as a consequence is a more humane relationship to each other, when i went later in the first paragraph when i say a person and the individual can be a heaven, certainly it is someone who is raised by a white man or as someone who thinks so many figures like take for example john brown or howard zinn or bob zellmer who i think are some of the most precious people in the world, it is important to not have a formulation that removes them from my sense of struggle that im engaged in, so thats what i was thinking. One more question about breathe before we move on to some of your other books. Mothering black boys in america is a special calling. Yeah, thats a sentence that my mother said to me and i think about it in a number of different ways. One of course is all the risks and people talk about, secondly in some ways that are difficult and maybe not necessarily helpful about the challenges that black boys face in this world whether its mass incarceration or inequality in schooling or cross attendance rates or unemploymen employmentl those things. I think about it differently, i think about all those things are true and i think about simultaneity of wanting to raise my children who are identified as black boys and that in a way that does not do limit their imagination, their sense of possibility that allows them to understand the facts of racial inequality that keeps them from thinking that they are superior to people because theyre relatively privileged visavis black people and also other people generally. And also it keeps them away from seeking patriarchy or dominance in the society that values those things highly so even though those things are more elusive for black men to attain, we have a society that values that and so part of the task is raising them to not value that, but to value their characters and their sensitivity in their complexity and people around respective of what lock walk of light comes from. All the lessons that what it means to become a man are acrosstheboard, often time they are not so good in the lessons of what it is often times not so good unless you counter both of those things with the story that i think is more accurate but much more loving and gives them a greater capacity to be fully human. In the last 19 minutes everything that we talked about are these things that you teach or in part at princeton . Not really which is interesting, and some ways this is a departure, a spirit with which i teach and certainly i teach the work of Toni Morrison and i taught the work of Richard Wright but i tend to teach much more fact driven and material driven as opposed to the emotional register. I do think of teaching as a calling and its important to bring to that a sense of value and humanity and justice of love to the students even though were supposed to be dispassionate. How does one get a phd jd from harvard at the same time. Unwisely. I when i graduated from college i was 21 years old and i was just completely in love with the life of the mind of ideas and i did not want to choose and i wanted to do everything and i said graduate school, law school and then i did two years of graduate school, it was a frenzied pace but it was beautiful, it was amazing, i loved it. I learned so much and every day i was being nurtured the all of the generations of people that came before me and help me understand the world. We went to play a little bit of music and a little bit of bdo, this is from 1999. That is betsy norman singing at the rosa parks congressional golden medal ceremony in 1999. What is that song . That song is lift every voice and sing that was known at the National Anthem and the black National Anthem after the 1970s. It is a song that i described as black americas most precious song. And with that clip of rosa parks as an alabama woman and jesse norman who has departed is incredibly moving. You written a biography of the song may we forever stand as the name of the book. Yes the author and the composer, they were brothers. Who were born in jacksonville, florida renaissance men and of course back in the day they were called race men, people who sought every achievement that they have as being in service, he became the first secretarygeneral of the naacp, the first black men admitted to the bar in florida. Its extraordinary but one of the signature accomplishments of both of their lives was the composition of the song. They were firstgeneration freeman. Born in the 1870s . Their mothers family had been bahamian in their fathers family had been enslaved in virginia. But yes they were of that generation that emerged from slavery with all the hopes and dreams and aspirations that were so quickly dashed with the industry construction. What was the reception in 1900 when the song was written. What was extraordinary is that the song caught on like wildfire. It was almost immediately embraced as black america and a lot of things, i tried to detail this in the book, the United States did not have a National Anthem at this moment even so early on people were referring to it as an anthem was a big deal in the johnson brothers were both educators at the time of the composition and they left florida and moved to new york as songwriters in part because there had been a terrible fire in the city. So they actually were not there in florida as the song caught on and it caught on across the schoolchildren, they reprinted it, began to be rented in the back of hymnals and so it was an anthem of community making, they did not describe as an anthem or intendant as an anthem but they said this is our anthem. If we continued playing the video, we wouldve seen then president clinton. Who knows all three verses. It is one of his distinctions, he may be the only u. S. President who know all three verses of the same thing. From your book, maybe forever stand, hiphop uttered as farewell to the black National Anthem. Where are you going here . One of the things, i talk about this in my first book is that there is something that happens in the 70s and the 80s which is a transformation both of black social and political life that have to do with the Civic Engagement and association on life and its also why the industrialization and theres a piece where i quote the reverend justice on this where he said may you rest in peace, black people are the moral conscience of the nation, hiphop is the refusal of opposition. So its bold, its not formal, its profane and not in unwilling to perform a particular politics and a raveling in the outlaw, which is a commonplace in American Culture but its a different kind of public presence for africanamericans. That departure was significant but what i also talk about in the book. The song keeps coming back so theres been various moments where it seems like it was going to peter out completely. It keeps coming back and even though the kind of institution, the kind of communities in which it was sung on weekly or daily basis dont exist in the same way and black communities. Can you draw a direct line from Langston Hughes to Biggie Smalls . Absolutely. In so many ways, both of them took the beauty of the language and crafted it and made decisions to tell stories that were pointed and often had a political content and resignation deeply and were pleasurable to engage with. And they are different kinds of political subjects, Linkedin Hughes is overtly an activist and organizer. But the relationship to black language both in the u. S. And the desire to understand that as a foundation for the production, absolutely directly connected. Pr oph ats. Part of what i talk about in the book is of course the process by which it became the most popular form of music in the country and had an audience that expanded bill beyond the initial core of audience and wealth that has been produced to hiphop. But theres something that i talked about and something prophetic about it because there was from the beginning and exposition and elucidation of what postindustrial life in urban centers in the United States was like. In all of its complexity. It is not is not an encomium, hiphop is not. Its an exposition and exploration. You use the term mc, muppercaseletter, cuppercaseletter what does that mean. It is the word for a wrapper that is more organic to hiphop, it initially comes from master ceremonies which is a commonplace in other spell it differently, this idea that the relationship between the wrapper and the dj and subsequently the producer was really important. It is absolutely a title. Emcees are rappers, its internal to hiphop describing the role. I was interested in what made in mc good, not just a reflection of a moment in history or a condition in certain communiti communities, what did it consists of, the m seat became really important because those doing a litter ally analysis. From your book, profits of the hood, profits of the hood, the historic construction of blackness in opposition to whiteness in which blackness is demonized has become part of the art forms consciousness. Yeah i should say before going to this, hiphop has changed a great deal since 2004 although i think theres aspects that are still describing the format present in meaningful ways. But there is a very overt play with the imagery of black people as thugs, tupac embraced the idea thug life in the criminal way station of black people in the sense of the very long history of american stereotyping of black people to criminality and access and gangsterism and violence, hiphop has engaged that critically, played into it, it has really sort of played with the social reality throughout. Lets hear from our viewers as we continue to talk about your book, charlie is in Roslyn Heights new york. Hi charlie your book to be. Hi, everybody. I have been citing racism my whole life and ive been very proud of that, ive grown and seen that the world is a very complex and politics is a very complex situation, i dont support black nationalism, thats just as bad as White Nationalism and deceive nationalism in our country, there is good and bad in all groups, black people are just people, theyre not inferior or superior. Black nationalism is just as wrong as White Nationalism. I cannot understand why miss. Is supporting black nationalism. I am not a black nationalist. I am far left and nationalism take some very different faces. There are certainly conservative rams of black nationalism that politically are quite aligned in many ways to political conservatism. If you take an organization like the nation of islam which is why conservative and advocates black nationalism and then theres the version of black nationalism in an organization like the black Panther Party or the court needing committee which are about revolutionary socialism with third world politics, anticolonialism that saw themselves as identified in the life with eyes people across the world historically so i should say that the single term does not but i will say this, i disagree with the caller that their equivalent because certainly people trying to find a way of losing sense of control of comedy over communities that they live in after long history of colonialism and enslavement and domination is not the same as celebrating the history of colonialism. But that is not a designation that i would describe to. You say your far left, what does that mean. I identify as someone who believes in democracy on a socialist because i believe that im against economic exploitation and i believe everybody should have access to safe environments, clean water, schools, a living wage, healthcare, i believe in this extraordinarily wealthy country that we should not have children who are poor, we should not have People Living on the street, i do not think that the narrative and the consequences of economic vulnerability are just the consequences and we should be okay with them. I dont think thats a decent way to organize society. I dont think people are poor because of deficient overwhelmingly, they are poor because they are exploited or have a lack of opportunity. So thats what i believe and so the question, and is much as i write and think about race, it is never separate from the larger question of the distribution of suffering in our society, it is an example of how and eggs society has an opportunity unjustly but i do not want my objective is not for black people to become those who dominate. That is not the idea for me too become free of systems of domination to have a real robust thorough democracy which is only possible if you have a decent quality of life for all people in a society. This is book tv on cspan2 showing highlights from our indepth series. In 2018 book tvs featured bestselling novelist, jodi has sold over 15 million copies of her book and she joins us in november of that year to talk about them. You suggest that Justice Kavanaugh should read your newest book the spark of life, why is that. I think it is probably one of the most balanced books at abortion rights in a womans reproductive rights that i have found, i worked really hard to make it balanced and i think it would allow him to see other peoples points of views with compassion and empathy and protect to wait a little longer. You say all points of views are represented in this book, how is that. The book is actually about ace shooting at a reproductives rights in mississippi, one of the east states a house it left in america because of over 280 laws at the state level has shipped away but reproductive rights since 2012. In my book a gun and comes in with a grudge, starts shooting, he kills patients and hostages in patients and employees and he takes the rest hostage. One of the people that he takes hostage is a 15yearold daughter of the Hostage Negotiator on the outside, the people in the clinic are a wide range of people who have been brought there at this one moment. They believe very Different Things about reproductive rights, you will see individuals who are prochoice and prolife and all of their points of view are very evenly and accurately represented. How do you storyboard a complex story like that with all sorts of connections and things going on. That is a particularly rights question. There is a twist of this book that makes a difference for my others. It is told in reverse, the very first thing that you see is the standoff between the gunman and the Hostage Negotiator. Every chapter goes back in our in time until at the very end of the book what you learn is that brought all the very Diverse People to the clinic at that particular moment. That was much harder than i anticipated it being. I wound up writing a 48 page outline because i had to write it chronologically in reverse and i also had to follow the storyline for ten diverse characters. I never written an outline like that, most of minor three pages long, little sub knobs, i know my characters, another thought, the twist because they want to make sure you leave a paper trail for the reader but in this case there was so much going on and so complex i needed to map it out in the real magic to me was not an outline but the editing. When i edited the book, i took little postit flags that i made my husband go get in a marked uphold book by character and i edited in reverse, ten different times following each characters thread to make sure each story was coherent and then i edited entirely going forward. How much time did you spend in jackson mississippi. I spent a week bouncing between jackson and alabama working in particular with an amazing man named willie parker, he is an africanamerican Abortion Provider who identifies christian and says he performs abortion not in spite of his religion but because of it, and he was a Good Samaritan and he thought he was going to provide for these women if not me. He went back and got trained and now he goes to the United States to the underserved areas performing abortions to women to need it the most. He invited me too come shadow him. Are you taking it with your 25 or 26 bestselling books and you can determine what the title of your book is and what the title looks like. I get cover input and they show me and they say what do you think of it and ill tell them if i like it or dont like it, that was not the original cover for the spark of life. The original one look like small great things and i love the cover of small great things but i did not want people confusing the two. Our amazing art director came back with that and i said that, my eye, i love it. Speaking of small great things, thats the next thing we will talk about. What does that represent. When i look at that cover, i think of those squares, the color chips the artist used and if you look at the cover, there are spots where color is missing. Where there is something not quite right about the color, there is something in absence. Small great things is about racism in america and metaphorically to me, that was such a beautiful illustration of what i was trained to talk about. Okay, are you kennedy . I think anyway person is kennedy. So that book actually looks its based off a reallife incident in flint, michigan, an africanamerican nurse with 25 years of experience in a delivery ward help deliver a baby in the aftermath the babys father said he did not want her or anyone to look like her to touch his kid and pushed up the sleeves to show his swastika tattoo. In the hospital they put a postit note in the babies file say no africanamerican allowed to touch his baby. Of bunch of personnel got together they sued and i hope she got a great payout. But it made me what push the envelope, what if the nurse was only one with the baby went wrong and as a result she was brought up on charges of murder and what if she was defended by a white public defender who like me or many of my friends never considered herself to be a racist. What if i tell a story in her voice, the voice of the white supremacist dad in the white public defender, as they begin to unpack their feelings about race. To me small great things is for white people. It is meant to say open your eyes a little wider, it is easy for people to point to a white supremacist and say thats racist. It is harder for white people to point to themselves and say the same thing. Yet race is about prejudice the power and if you are white in america, you hold all the power. Although it was easier for us to see the headwinds of racism and to know if youre a person of color, your life might be harder, and the fact that theres unearned benefits that come to us because we happened to be more like that. That is something that is on white people to learning to fix. Ultimately that is why i wrote the book, that is the audience i was hoping for. You wrote 26 books i believe, everyone a bestseller . No not by any means. I was a slow growth girl, i did not have the overnight open moment or anything, i started off humbling, my first book had 3500 copies. I think will happen, people who read my books told my friends, you should read this and they told friends and it grew very organically and it was not until after my sisters keeper, it was definitely after my sisters keeper, the Second Glance on the bestseller list by itself. How quickly was my sisters keeper auctioned for the movie . It was not auctioned quickly at all, it took a while. It was not an experience. Is accurate to the book . It is not. I actually when the book was auctioned, i said the only thing that was important is that they keep the ending. It does have a monstrous twist, ultimately i know that sold the book, i know people said i cannot tell you what happens, read this we can talk about it. That happens a lot and not tell the producer had gotten it. And they went to hire nick and they said would you talk to him and i said yes and i said the ending is really important to me and he read the book and said im not going to change the ending, if anyone does ill tell you myself. And i thought okay and i worked with him for a year end a half and he would call me up and asked me questions about character. I saw a script that looked like the book, one day got an email from a fan who worked at a casting agency and she said you know they change the ending of the movie. I called nick at home and he would not take my call, i went to the movies and he threw me off the set and i went to the New Line Cinema and i said you lose money on this because i have some pretty eager fans who are rock stars and then are going to want to see this movie. He said no we know what were doing, nick made the notebook. Sure enough they lost money on the film, my fans were upset and ultimately the great irony is that money is what speaks in hollywood. I was able to say youre going to lose money and as a result of that experience i had more Creative Control. Did you have any Creative Control once you auctioned it . I dont think fans realize this but most writers do not, if you have Creative Control thats an anomaly because usually hollywood will say you want Creative Control, we dont need that, thank you very much will go to another author who will take the money and run. Its like giving a baby up for adoption, you tried to make an educated choice and youre doing the best you can. Youre not allowed to call every day and feed you breakfast. Small great things is an auction. How much control do we have. I hope we will have a little bit more and we will see the entertainment which is a Gilbert Company auctioned it and Julia Roberts and i can think of better casting, aims delighted so far. When i read Ruth Jefferson is going to be great, shes an incredibly talented actress. Before we get into the other books and we will talk about other books that jody has written. Before we get into our first call, have your books gotten more topical over the years . I tried to look at the trajectory of my career. I think it is sort of where my brain is at any given time. If you look at the very beginning of my career, my first book was about mothers and daughters but i was closer in age to the daughter than the mother. Then i had a baby, i got married and had a baby right before my first book was published i had my first child. My second book was about motherhood and how incredibly difficult it is because it really shocked me how hard that was and then i got into marriage and relationship and whether there over 5050 and then i had all my kids and i have a wide span of years were all my books are about for children. Three all the terrifying happens i happen to your kids to sexual abuse to illness to kidnapping to suicide, all of these things. Then my kids grew up and they got to the point where they were pretty selfsufficient and i think i began to take a step back and look at bigger issues that make me sit up at night and worry. Things like the nature of good and evil in the story teller and racism in small great things, what it means to grieve and lose someone and reproductive rights. In my sisters keeper, you preface it with the mother of a child who has had over ten surgeries. My sisters keeper grew out of two different places, i had written Second Glance, that was about the eugenics project in america which very few people know about. We actually in several states model the program for this final solution. In one of the crazy throwaway backs was that the original society was in new york and when they folded, the group that took over was the human genome project, that seemed almost too close for comfort and i and happened to read when i was researching eugenics, a story of modern eugenics which was the nash family in colorado, they were the first family to create a donor sibling to help their daughter molly at the time had to do leaves and she was supposed to die by the age of two and hanging on by a thread at age three and they designed a sibling for her who could provide a stem cell transplant through umbilical cord blood and she went into remission and always great. I knew that was a whole different topic. I started to think about that and i was thinking a particular about molly and her brother, they were five and eight and they were little kids. But what would happen to a donor sibling in the teenage years when that is all about who emi, am i here just because of my sister, do i have anything on my own, i wanted to explore that and that grew into my sisters keeper but at the same time i had been a parent of a child who had multiple surgeries, my middle son had a cholesterol thoma which are born with which is a benign tumor that grows inside your ear toward your brain and if you hit your brain itll kill you but the traditional way to remove it is to take that your canal wall and scrape out the tumor and leave the child death death in that year. We went with a different approach that might preserve a little hearing, he had it in both years and there was less than nine kids in america who have that at the time and we made the right choice because at the end of all of this he had marginal hearing in his right ear and profoundly deaf in his left ear and he went on to become a very talented singer, it was like the best success story. I remember very well what it was like during all of those surgeries, ten surgeries, three reconstructions, how hard it was to keep the family balanced because one child clearly had to take precedence at that moment and we as parents like to say we love all of her children equally, but the truth is some times circumstances arise that you might have to direct your attention towards one children. And we hope we are able to be there for all of her children when we needed the most. That is why wanted up writing a point of view for sarah and my sisters keeper. A quote from my sisters keeper, we all have our scripts down pat, kate pays the murder, im a lost cause, youre the peacemaker. A lot of familiar with the relationships in your thoughts. That makes sense because i was watching my own kids grow up. I find my sisters keeper fascinating on many levels, i know its an ethics course is now and for Nursing School and it really is something to consider because we tend to think parents can make the best decisions for their parents medically but what if your two children with competing medical interest. When it comes to medical ethics. We know that a patient and what is happening to a patient may wind up convening in a hospital, a donor is not considered a patient. Finally, it can be a weird and slippery slope, an embryo that has six matching hla proteins to help cure cancer, its very different than choosing a child that has brown hair or a child that is female, you just begin to wonder, how do we begin to monitor all that and spiraling from out of control. It was fun to write that book because its an example where science has outstripped morality and ethics and every now and again, we get to a point where the happens. Another author featured on indepth was journalist and bestselling Science Fiction author, he joined us in august of 2018 to discuss his book and activism. How do you describe your work to other people . People say what you do i say i write Science Fiction and i see what kind of Science Fiction. Some of it is very contemporary and it deals with contemporary information politics, surveillance, censorship and the question about whether or not technology is going to enable us to be more free or take away the freedoms. Is it hard to translate those into a Science Fiction format . I dont think so, the next question everyone asked, how can you write Science Fiction in this era, rapid change, arent you worried youll be left behind behind the merge of history and i feel like in the 21st century if you dont have seven ideas, youre not really trying. You were quoted at one time and you said all Science Fiction writers whether they admit it already metaphorically about extrapolating the future, can you, on that. I think at the best Science Fiction reaches into the world and does the diagnostic thing. When you go to the doctor and you have a sore throat, shall swap the back of your throat and put it on a petri dish and waited couple of days and got look. And then tell you whats going on in your body and she hasnt been able to do that because she made an exact faithful replica of your body. She made an unfaithful replica of your body were only one fact about your body was the most important fact. They reach into the world and goblet technology and build a toy world where that takes on important and its a way of surfacing the Lien Properties especially the Emotional Properties before 1948, we did not have a way to talk about what mass surveillance might look like and then they give us an incredibly useful narrative framework for talking about the emotional impact that living under conditions and now we have a versatile world that we can use when someone says i have a great idea, will spohn everything that everyone does and find the bad people, ill be on the sparrow. You can explain why that is creepy without obstructions. You can talk about a concrete thing in the worst Science Fiction writer fancied themselves and they think theyre doing a future casting and then looked at all the variables and put them together and they call it timeline sometimes because they have the timelines of the future and like any fortuneteller, the prediction was were so vague and metaphorical, you could interpret them in any way he wanted. Dante, when he talks about what the fortuneteller would happen to them, he stripped him naked and turn their heads around one in a hundred 80 degrees so theyd have to sweep down and then he put them in molten feces and have them wade through feces while being waived with demons. He gave them a break, the message of the fortuneteller, the future is coming to matter what you do and thats account of despair. If the future is coming to matter what you do why are we here. I like to think the future happens because of what we do in Science Fiction writers, we can intervene in the future which is much more interesting than predicting. How do you use your characters and what role do they play for you . Often times the stuff is tech and policy. They are very abstract ideas. But they have the super concrete consequences and by writing stories that pivot on the very abstract ideas like generalpurpose computing or strong cryptography. You can take these things that are literally massed like nonfigurative abstract mathematics and make them into the emotional stories were the consequences become undeniable. How many books have you read . Thats another question people keep asking, i do not know the number its in the 20s, theres essay collections a Church Stories that are forthcoming in a picture book for kids and other things. 25ish maybe. When you write about the theme you talk about surveillance, privacy, and you find yourself revisiting those concept of characters in the books he put are . I think writers anyone who is trying to communicate has a platonic irreducible thing in their head and they want to put it into your head and they try to reproduce it with telepathy and i write words and i read a story and i write an essay or give a talk and i try to make it happen and then i get feedback, what people heard when i said it. Some of the feedback i get a more refined idea of how i might put into other peoples heads. I try again and you can see this in the work of writers, they circled the idea through their whole career, maybe like a gunner mortar fighter, you take a shot get some feedback, and elevation. In some ways its all the same, its all the same and this is how i see the world and what worries me trying to be reduced into something that will transmit more perfectly to you. One of your novels grew up a blog post that you are constructing at the time. I never actually wrote everything that crosses and it seems like its significant in something bigger, i try to write up for public consumption. If you write something up for stranger to understand why your excited, you cannot cheat. When i make notes for myself i can never figure out where a map. Writing notes for someone i never met, to be rigorous in the house a searchable database. Decades of blogging but it also creates a pneumonic soup of the fragmentary story ideas and the rattling around like a supersaturated solution in a couple of these ideas belong together and then crystallize into novels and essays and short stories and some peoples method, they have an idea and they research it and i research everything. Tell us about walk away and those ideas and spark the book. Walk away is a disaster novel and integrate economic environmental crisis, the majority of people pull together to help each other in the enemy is not in many crisis novels and is not the bad people who have been waiting for the breakdown of law and order to going meet their neighbors. The enemy are the people who are convinced for the racialized people in the perpupil coming for them who are preemptively policing them to keep them from coming in tearing down their wall compounds. It came from a lot of sources but particularly the paradise built in hell, film who is a wonderful historian and has us researched history of disasters and how people behaved and how we thought they behaved, whether that is the new york Power Outages or Hurricane Katrina or the Haiti Earthquake and how and each time you have people at a distance of multipeople on the spot who are convinced that there might be a total breakdown in order and when you read the contemporaneous journals and newspapers and whatever was published by the people on the ground you find an incredible moment where the refrigerator background had a petty grievance thought and the ringing silence and people realize they have more in common with their neighbors than they had separating them in solidarity became the order of the day. Its a novel that people find solidarity and environmentally world of territory and to use the software and automated mechanisms and luxury resorts the babies themselves were anybody can take what they want do what they want and whenever a rich weirdo comes on and says thats my garbage are using, there will be plenty more where that came from, they just walk away. It is a book that had a good response and people read it and say this feels like its kneeling in intuition i had in my heart that i cannot give a word to in your crystallizing and for me. Briefly introduced the characters the protagonist in multigenerational stories. A group of three young people who are walking away from default society, one guy named hubert et cetera, he had 21st names, his parents were members of a Political Movement called an ominous party when then ominous party sells out and adopts her real name policy like facebook where you have to use your real name, they become infuriated that they give him the top 20 names from the 1890 census as his first name so he cant be in the database. His best friend is seth and they meet a trust fund terrorist who has also become disenchanted and the three of them walk away and taking names and become part of a collective and they meet a whole host of characters and theres a woman who is a Brazilian National who is ran away to canada and become a leader in the Leaderless Movement and struggles with the fact that people look up to her, theres a mathematician named gretel who is part of a project to build immortality by allowing people to simulate their conservationists and computers and if she sticks around and does this for the superrich that shall be complicit in helping humanity and she decides to feel the fire of the god to run away and release the knowledge of an open source and thats when things get hairy because the superrich realize that the smelly bohemians are not going to be a distraction but will be alongside of them for the rest of eternity and then theres all these different antagonist estate that is looming surveillance presents as we have it now and it runs on rails, its composed of people who are doing the best they can and who are even think that theyre doing good, it creates a totalitarian moment, there is the father of a young heiress who is superrich, very charming fellow who is really good at kidding himself, he was sent doing it no one else what and why not him because hes such a nice guy. There are people who are moving through walk away world and saying why shouldnt we find the best among us and make us leaders who continually count a best among them. I been a walker the report i understood this, what internet walking out on society but knowledge and where problems to be solved, not citizens. Can you expand on that. People talked about the idea of unnecessary, the classical economics have said if you have a number of people that are unemployed and we count jobseekers in the overall numbers of Unemployed People and if you think automation is going to remove the need for a lot of labor, and people and robots are not the only people that robots are building. You have so many people hanging around like its way more than you need to suppress wages and it becomes a source of instability in this problems to be solved and theyre not people, how do we buy these people off or neutralize them so we dont have to get rid of them, its the same in economics, equilibrium, where is the balance point. We always had an equilibrium between guard labor and surveillance in cops and soldiers in jail workers and so on in between guard labor and redistribution. At a certain point if wealth accumulates into a small number of hands, the amount of money that those people need to spend to keep everyone else from building exceeds the amount of money that they could spend building hospitals and roads that would defuse the energy that might lead to them being built on their lawn and one of the things that mass surveillance has made so much cheaper to separate the sheep from the goats, to figure out who it is and it seems to move the equilibrium of wealth and redistributing where the guard labor is cheaper than the redistribution. Its without so far along that we are storing up all of this resentment and all these people who dont feel like they have a stake in society. The thing about this last week, i was speaking at a conference, people kept talking about how natural it feels in the stories when the system starts to break down people overrun the civic infrastructure, they set fire to everything. And when you see that in prison right movies, that makes total sense, why would a prisoner burned down the prison, its because the prison exist in adversarial relationship. Its where they sleep in there in where they eat and thats how they are controlled and they have no stake in the prison. The fact that we can totally understand and it feels completely credible that the minutes the light goes out, so many of her neighbors are going to want to burn down the city that they are living in. I can tell that im subconsciously thinking that our society, not as machine for delivering dignity and the essential psycho into it in the hierarchy shelter and food but instead as a cage and as soon as you think about that, of course it makes perfect sense that as soon as the guards turned their back, you burn it all down. To look at past indepth programs continues with libertarian a communist deirdre, shes a professor at the university of illinois chicago and the author of 30 books on economics and Public Policy. Here is a portion of her appearance from this past february. How do you define your economic philosophy. I am a liberal. The word comes from latin which means a person and this is very much in the mind of contracted with the slaves. One simple way of having true liberalism is to say that everyone has the right to say no that is all. The right to say no. However, if your woman and agreed to be raped and if youre an employee and dont like it, you can leave i was reading which is a novel about a soviet union and the main thing there, people cannot say no. They were being bossed around by someone, not voluntarily, youre an employee, i was an employee and we did what her bosses said we do and we can always walk and thats really fundamental to a free society. The other way of talking about it, its an Adult Society and economy. Many of the other options, modern populism, the left and right fascism, communism, even the social democracy want people to be children. I think we should be children, its good for us to be adults, that does not mean we should help people, icon myself a christian liberal. Back to why liberalism works, i can understand the progressive point of view, i can remember its attractions as one peruses the pages of the nation or known as elitist, it feels like one is doing good. Absolutely. Wasnt that great, i debated him last summer, i was in a festival in england and they had them on a big screen and the three of us argued with him. I think people who feel that they want to do something for the poor should do something for the poor. Instead of just feeling good about reading the New York Times and thinking yes im a good person. Yes i care about th poor, they should help the homeless as i have in a small way, have them come living with them. I had Homeless People with me for four and a half years in my house. That does not make me a saint, it makes me a person who wants to put her money where her mouth is. The key point is to let the poor people free so they can work and travel and live. You told me before you started that you have 2 acres of one, that is probably because in your town you cannot build a house without a large lot. Its in the rules. That is to keep poor people out. That is what its for. It is true in many, many places in the United States. People who are sitting there reading the nation magazine. [laughter] i will say im not in the country, no rules. No restrictions, no rules. Im in a go back to why liberalism works. This is a quote from Stephen Landsberg and you tell us who he is in a minute and you say Public Policy should not be designed to advance moral instincts and we all reject every day over lives. We think about not having to put your money where your mouth is. And not pushing people around. I never liked being a boss myself but theres some people who are much Better Administration than i am. Three. It was a bus driver. He was real nasty shuttle and i said to him, your life would be better if you treated your customers with respect. Ive been on buses in chicago with the bus driver was wonderful. Welcomes people onto his bus. And he goes through the snow and slush of chicago, and thats how we ought to live. Ought to live the way that her mom told us to behave. So you still teaching at the university of chicago or illinois chicago pretty. No, i thought there from 2000 2015 but in the blessed state of retirement. I highly recommend it to you all. My joke is that i retired in order to work more. I finished my trilogy on the economic and social history the last few centuries. And i finished this book that came out in the full on line liberalism works they have a new book coming up from chicago and the chicago press. In the pulp which is kind of hot version of leave me alone and i will make you rich. [laughter]. Leah talked about your trilogy. The virtues and dignity, the most recent, quality. What is the definition of bourgeois. Usually specialized mean the leaders. Merchants and manufacturers and so forth. It was in fact, turn for the class in english. That was before the price middle class became common. In 1800, the bourgeois started calling them middleclass of themselves. Before the basic idea where that they were priests, and the nobility and then everyone else. The third estate. It is only in the last couple of centuries that we started to make distinctions among various people. And my point is really to argue against my friends on both left and right, who art in just west of business. Of people who are like my grandfather, contagious. It was a contractor. And it was an honor. His honorable thing to do. Not cheating. You are doing your things well. You being paid for it. That makes for a sweet society. There is this mythology that you see especially in the soviet history of the soviet union. Anyone who makes money is evil. On the contrary. You make money by doing things and people like. What exactly is the problem. To go to bourgeois virtue, surprisingly partially by the standards of the rest of the worlds religious religious canon predicts a surprising therefore that in the 19th century, the bourgeois am a Christian Europe invented the idea of socialism. Thats right. In fact, socialism is a secularized version of christianity in many ways. Of the apocalypse, the revolution. It is very similar to the Second Coming of christ. The ideology among soviet communists in china, that when they were sent to the prison camps, and thought it was okay. Because it must be that the party knows is very similar attitude in some versions of christianity. The priest as i am that i am bed. There is a certain protestant element to it as well. It is quite strange. That the west socalled successful, and this ideology of anti wealth. We just read the new translation by the theologian theologian, the new testament. While thing. Its a short book. It is really a socialist element to it. Early christianity was among friends. They had equality and assumption and work assignments. It was very sensible but it doesnt make sense in the world today. When in a large society, does not work. When its about friends and family work socially, i mean. Youre now a christian liberal. Smile. I am. Well, i changed gender. That was in 1995. I was was donald. Now i am deidra. In the years after that, i felt it was something more that i needed to look into. Deirdre onto the opposite, the unitarians with him to pray to. To whom it may concern. I didnt like that then i found episcopalian is him. With an inchoate and closing of the american revolution. And it suited me very well. Right from the beginning, they said the church of england. His middle road between catholicism and puritanism. This is me. One o. Host what is it about it that suits you. Deirdre is the un spirit of the church that i like. [laughter]. We are called the frozen chosen in the United States because in virginia especially, the upper class in new york for that matter, the upper class was a basic opinion. Episcopalian. But is not because of the frozen chosen and i like it. It is that episcopalian, you dont want to believe really anything. But you do the ceremonies. If you come to church, and you do the mass. Host the smells and the bells. Deirdre know this high church. There is a congregation in iowa, once a year when the due smells and bells. It was kind of funny. Its a very flexible framework for searching. Because of the journey. You dont have to believe in the virgin birth to be a practicing christian. It is the practice that matters. Indeed i think that is true of the economic performance. You dont need to be a theorist of the economy to be an electrical contractor. You just do your job, you might learn from it after a while but usually there is mutual advantage here. I get older, i keep trying to unify my thinking. To see what crossfertilization. I have a paper that i am working on right now about theological free will. Which as you know, its very kerry puzzling subject. And free markets. I think they are connected. Theyre not is so many modern americans or europeans theologians think. You dont have to be a socialist to be a christian. Host go back to your bourgeois philosophy. This is the bourgeois virtues. Agree with my favorite economist, nancy that education should be financed from the center. The Maternity Care in early childcare should be expanded and state financed. That inherited should be steep and that corporate welfare should be eliminated. The military should be cut to a tiny fraction of the present level and a modest minimum income should be given to every american that talks loss should encourage both men and women combined paid work with family and community work. The followers of adam smith, are egalitarian. Is there a button there somewhere. Deirdre 12, and seasonal friend. Shes a professor at the university of massachusetts. In two should get the nobel prize. She was annoyed that i called her a marcus. Shes not unorthodox marcus but she is at the left i am not. I was once, jumped by a socialist. I dropped that i saw joe help last night. But as i said, im a christian liberal. Which means i acknowledge responsibility that we have towards the poor. We cannot just take country club, oh this is a bunch of losers. This again would be donald trump. Of those losers, i dont care about them. I am a cadillac. This is will in the world. So a lot of the policy proposals the nancy makes from the left, i agree. I may not quite agree with the scale she wants to do the morning but we agree we should help for people and pregnant women and so forth. There should be none of thi pisn people faced with an open hand of hope. His and that is perfectly consistent with what we importantly call capitalist. When you think about it, the ordinary took up catalysts really do not like the world and headboard. The transaction, we buy a cup of coffee. For one thing, sheer act of buying a cup of coffee, this mutually adventitious and but people are habit about it. Furthermore, youll notice in your own life that if you make a habit of going to the coffee shop, you eventually become friends. Congress creates friendship. The same with with church creates friendships. For a college or high school class. Or whatever. People get together, they are not hurting each other. Not forcing each other to do things. They are allowed to say no. And out of that comes with the french and the 18th century call do promise, suite congress. Where its necessary for most activities of the state. Actually all. That is the nasty stuff. Youve got to pay your taxes. If you dont, we will put you in jail. The threats from the irs. Having a minor known legal dispute with the irs right now. I am treated i dont like coercion. And it never have. Host you so you dont like the word. The philosophy. Deirdre is on the philosophy you dont like supported dont like. The word capitalist was used in modified by marks manual. To me not just investors, which is what it meant in french in the 18 hundreds mean the soul group of people who are the bosses. Then, after mark, in german, capitalism, became the characterization of our commercials. It is a terrible word. Academically and intellectually, scientifically, it is terrible. It is convince the economist, conservative or left or whatever, and marxist and everyone else, but capital accumulation is the spring of our commercial economy. It is not read the gears are necessary, but the motive force comes from the spring read in the spring and modern life, elective, has been enormously expanded is innovation. It is human creativity. And this is the view of economics that are coming in. The kind of economics that ive done for many years, im a phd. His fleeting because it looks at the capital. The economists call it kate. We just want the steve for other things. For capital. I thought the capital was motivational. If i was speaking in brazil a couple of days ago with makers, and i said to them, maybe they dont like, is that which you do is very good. You choose among the creator. But you are not the creator made you say okay, this is a good idea. I will take a home to that and its appropriate an important and necessary but its on the idea. Thats why freeing people under liberalism, first spring foreman and then slaves, and slowly, women. It gave people whatever, i found this remarkable frame of transgender people. All of that works to encourage, think about the word means. Bring courage to. People should be creative. Has an amazing effect. In real terms, my stuff and to go you to the university has increased by a factor of 3000 percent. Not 100 percent, 200 percent, 3000 percent. And that is from the relief that human activity in free societies. Host were having a debate about capitalism and socialism. It is not the first time we have had this debate. Deirdre this is been going on since the 19th century camilla. The kid to say lets try socialism, and bernie, we love you bernie. I dont hate bernie okay bernie. Hes a very charming person. He and i, he was a freshman of the university of chicago in 1960. I was a freshman at harvard college. We didnt even know each other at the time. But at the time, we have pretty much the same opinion about this capitalism. I prefer to call it in the tell is imprinted anyway we both wanted to over throw capitalism. He was more systematic about it than i was but i read half of the manifesto. And i reckon that was enough. Not quite true. Ive been a good deal. In london it was a girl of mine when i was 16. Oh boy. Hes right. We have the same opinion. And i learned stuff. And he did not. He had the same opinion now that he did in 1960. These consistent. He is consistently wrong. We try to socialism. As i said, appropriately and efficiently, and timely. It works among a small group of friends. In a should. I buy a pizza to share with five of my friends, i civil you know, i think this pizza, i will eat it all. No. Thats not what friends do. But in a big society, 300 and 3m people. Its kind of making everything into a family, does not work. Doesnt mean you have dont have charging you dont want to help each other but it doesnt mean to the call. Talk capitalism with brooke blood coming from his mouth. It is not how catalysts are. Which i think established. And its not what made the economy rich is what i established in that second volume. And it is not the future in the past about society. Which i have argued in the third book. Still bearing on in depth, sebastian gorka, his most recent book is the war for america soul. Heres part of his discussion from january of this year. It. What was missing, under the Obama Administration is the id idea. That the about of policy the ideology, that terrorism is the result of disinformation transmits. Remember the beginning of the Obama Administration, i think it was that but john who had become the president s cia director. He said that terrorism is the result of upstream actors. Lack of education as well. If thats true, have avandia would be terrorist are pretty half of china would be terrorist. They are not. That flawed analysis, the Obama Administration, said when you find the really bad guys, we just kill them and we will win. It is walkable. I use that phrase walkable. Just the idea that the president of the United States, black obama had secured tablet on which he had the disposition matrix. On which the locations of the masterminds would be shared with him and he would decide which terrorist they should come today. The sheer insanity. Can you imagine eisenhower. And churchill. Actually choosing which one to kill. This is the job of the president. When we aligned in the white house, we had 420 obama holdovers in the National Security council. Do you know how many people work in the council at the eisenhower, 25. And nobody can tell me that eisenhower was less complicated in our globe today. Hundred ronald ragan it was only 75 individuals pretty what they had done as they replicated it governments forecast they have made what should have been strategic, a tactical function and most important of all, i missed the ideology. Rich engineers, people become suicide bombers on 911 because they are for or uneducated. These are people with inmates. The head of al qaeda, is empty. The Obama Administration said is irrelevant. This administration is very different. If you want to understand what we are going, read the president s speech. Read this incredible speech where he talks about the evil. He does not disenfranchise as an evil ideology. Just as fascism was an ideological threat just as the soviet union was an ideological threat. It isnt about poor people. Its about those who subscribe to the g heidi ideology. The only way for humans to live under a global way. Host when you look at the newspapers and you see what happened to the general. This prediction that this could lead to world war iii. Is quite stunning that world war iii world war iii was turning on social media. What world do these people live in. When somebody comes up with a criticism the best place to start take politics out of it. What is the individual thing to think positive is the obvious. Sebastian so we should not have killed him. How is that better. A man his hands are drenched in the blood of at least 603 service men and women. I have been responsible for in make naming of thousands of others. This man who knew, would be for was on the cusp of initiating operations in the three Different Countries that wouldve killed hundreds and that let alone our allies. Leaving them alone to do his business. This better and what world. Anybody is not from when obama killed in from when we, when a dog took out al begged danny. He was ensuring when a murderous evil individual is killed by strike. They need to examine the conscious because i dont care what your politics car, i dont care what god you pray to return atheist, or who to go to bed with them i dont care what your skin color is. Please examine your conscious if you think that person did not deserve to become a pile of ashes. Host hundred you get to know president trump. Sebastian i was in my third year teaching at the college, marine corps university. I had a phone call from cory. Who did not know from a hole in the ground. On the Campaign Manager from candidate trump. Summer of 2015 and he said, mr. Trump and he is preparing for the full debate on National Security. What i consider meeting with candidate trump. And perhaps prepare him for that debate and i said sure. I flew to new york. Onto trump tower and then candidate Trumps Office and i sat down with him closer than we are at his desk. And we had this incredible blue sky discussion on Security Issues from the civil war right up to ices the nuclear weapons. And halfway through the discussion he did classic tropism and keep looking cory in the quarter and said, i like this guy. Lets hire him. And he asked me to become a consultant in the trump organization. And prepared brief sprays debate and then eventually became i get snow general mike flynn who had in his transition team. I become part of the official, i became part of the official president ial transition team. And finally was offered the job of Deputy Assistant to the president for strategy which i started 12th of one on january. Host and how long did you last. Sebastian seven months. I was on vacation. In new england in the middle of detroit where they said, have you seen the news. I said no. I would like not to be plugin. I went to an area where i could check the internet. And i saw that a man had resigned. What aspirated steve was a chief strategist. In two months prior to this, and have been completed to me with new National Security advisor was not a fan of mine. I was always present for keep meetings regarding ices in china and russia. An interesting, is being left off of the invitation went he became the supervisor. In my immediate person resigned and i had very tough decision. My wife and i sat down to just take the white house and i have a pretty good role salary paid by the taxpayers pretty to be consistently boxed out by somebody was issues with me. But i support the american way on the outside. As karen my letter to the president. Its available for everyone to retreat as of right now, the mega forces are and ascendance in the white house. I like to serve on the outside. And i think i can better do so. In the president agreed and now i have a National Radio show. Across the nation and more than a million followers on social media. So my decision was shaped by the belief that where i fit is not important. It is the agenda. It is making life great again. But then i could just do that on the outside and it has worked out the last two years. Host the war for americas soul is his recent book. What are you the book with your daughter julia. Sebastian is one of the reasons i love america soul. Because i experienced an event. I had asked my donors permission to write the chapter. And she created for me, my daughter graduated last may. It had been a tough four years for her. She was involved in an accident made National News just before the semester began. There were children in College Building and they were on the deck of the building of the third floor. And she stepped out on that deck. And as soon as she stepped out, it disconnected from the bully and collapsed. It luckily no one was killed. She sustained no damage to her legs she was on crutches for weeks. Despite that, she was a cocaptain of her a team initiate for different jobs in college, running a coffee bar, a ta and research assistant. And then she was invited to join and to the institute. Handful of remaining they wanted to celebrate and propagate the values of the judeo christians. That was the last straw i guess for the social justice warriors. In two weeks before graduation, they took another sort of breath and on social media but her name and running, this is the face of white supremacy. Why, because she was my doctor. Despite the fact that this girl had helped ethnic women, minority women when she was doing her Research Project on those who have been abused by their partners, their husbands. So when it came to her graduation, i was very trump ignatius peter. I didnt want to cause a scene. Probably not good supporters. Sorry arrived, i didnt sit with my family. I sat under an oak tree so they would not be any distractions. This was madame celebration. It was all fine until after the ceremony pretty my daughter received her diploma and the caps were thrown in here. And i decided to make the way back to my wife and my daughter. And in the throne, i was separated from everyone. In a little slip of a girl walked up to me and this is the meat of the opening of the war for america soul. Shes maybe 19 years old, maybe 85 pounds dripping light. And she looked me in the eye and she said re sebastian gorka, are you the one who works for donald trump in the white house. And naive me smiled and extended my hand and said yes its me. And i after editing, while in that case she said, if you you naughty. Edwards. I had never had somebody who was living the most freest powerful nation in the world do that to me in front of hundreds of witnesses. Once i found my composure, this little girl with back to the family. In her grandmother mother standing there and i looked in the face and said, with act you think you are. My parents children suffered under occupation and central europe. After that my father on the communist occasions, was arrested and tortured and imprisoned. For the heck you think you are told me that. The girls mother was to construct and her jaw dropped and she said, did you really say that to this man. And the reason why i wrote this book, and this little girl, in the freest nation in the world, with a slight grin like from the joker government looked in her mother and said, yes, i did. That is frightening. That according to the victims of communism, and the latest poll, 72 percent of american millennials, it would like to live in a communist or socialist country. This after the fact the minnow. The black book of communism, at least 100 million beings were exterminated with communistic ideology. It so i spent more than 20 years in the National Security domain and i is specialized in nonstate actors. And now, a little after being this moment, ive realized that the greater threat that we face the falsification of history. And the indoctrination of a whole generation of americans. Peter follow, lit by the rule of personal discretion, to your adversaries human, deserving zero respect. Or compassion. Sebastian they use it very effectively. The socalled before horsewoman on the apocalypse. Is a bossy, perhaps the most influential individual with regards to american politics nobody talks about. I reproduce elements of Hillary Clintons dissertation. That she wrote. Theres only the original dissertation in the appendix. The war for american soul. Is he a man like donald trump who has been the most present since 1948, whose jerusalem recognize jerusalem after 23 years of broken promises, is the closest relationship you can imagine the Prime Minister of israel, to call that man and antisemite. Advocate, recessed. The same person is affected Prison Reform especially for minorities who is created to appointment and hispanics and blacks in america since recordkeeping began. It is the triangulation that we thought. The left done. His separate you isolate any destroy. You remember the american revolution. Going back centuries never to this degree. We did not target children. He did not target the president of children. We did not go after the first lady, because they were wearing the wrong shoes icing on the helicopter. Then his wife when people talk about trump derangement syndrome, there is some substance to that. But the level, the demeaning the other person to appoint of which you did neither humanity. That is very unhealthy. This disturbing. If you look at the soviet russia, you look at the people in germany. When you start to dehumanize your upon it. That will leave the road to the labor camps. Thats why am convinced that sadly, Democrat Party of john f. Kennedy, is dead and has been taken over by extremists, by radicals, how is it that you have about antisemite. And saying israel, it is evil. It is all about tweeted two days ago, that the present trump murdered a former government official. What. Scylla money was mass murder. We are living in dark times. But as Ronald Reagan told us, on the right i consider myself to be a reagan. We are happy. We are fueled by love, love of country, love of liberty. Its a movement that has become define and fueled by hatred. And hatred itself, might be some psychological underpinnings of the hatred of what they think which is not from imperialist colonial force for the freest nation. Whenever the Democrat Party on the left and the fake news industrial complexes try to manufacture things gives the president whether it was regards to russian collusion or whether it is extortion or bribery in the ukraine, everything a time it is me down it to the back onto them. As my good friend chris goss are houses that morning show here in dc, is reminiscent about that final scene when the bad soviet launches those torpedoes thinking that the Shaun Connery and suddenly what happens, the torpedoes circle back in sync his own vessel. The fact that Hillary Clinton in the d c 80 former secret agent, the dossier of russian opera candidate to use in a i support secret to spy on us in the trunk campaign. In the white house need to come after us with connections to russia. It is the sweetest most delicious ironies. The fact that theyve accused the president of malpractices with ukraine. In the transcript in which there was nothing on tours to win enter bidens son, was taking home between 1,580,000 per month, but a corrupt company is investigated by the ukraine, in which his fathers point person for the Obama Administration, not only did they fire the prosecutor for the game a billion dollars. Although this circle back like boomerang. Youre right in with thing. Its perhaps the one thing the democrats in the d c and hillary and comey and brennan, talk about. The idea that a company that google has written interest in, that was working in the ukraine, was connected to the d c. We do need to get to the bottom of that. But if you believe in justice, im good news for you. William clark, and john there on the case. They are unstoppable. Peter how much of an influence is this book on war part of your own foot phosphate. Sebastian great question print is one of my three favorite books. Market down in a great deal of missing book. Why we fight. If you really are interested in strategy must security. There are two forces that you must be familiar with. The chinese strategies, the art of war. Because they complement each other. Is never meant to be published. It was published by his widow but it is the most influential text another west does National Security. How the west, the system of nationstate, things about mass security. That is why it is important. It has a sense of gravity. So on the other hand, its incredibly important. Because it breaks you out of your eurocentric way of thinking. No straight so other nations are very different ways about thinking with the National Security strategy. Essential reading if you wish to understand what chinas doing against us today. Even when iran and russia are doing. Because russia and iran are asian. Because sun tzu is the foundation of irregular warfare. In direct approach. How you take down the more powerful enemy than yourself. So if you want to start your National Security reading. Start thousand and build it from there. Peter go ahead. Guest something thats been bothering me that has been missed i think. Or at least not product. I think that putin has claimed the Democrat Party to do his bidding in the democrats would have went around the president instead of attacking him, all of the stuff we have been going for, they never have occurred. But he knew how these people are and he played them like a fiddle. Sebastian there was a phrase brought from the cold world war, tasteful idiots. When you have the most egregious example, whenever former cia director, john brennan. Obamas cia. On national television, after he leaves office, is the worl were treasonous to describe the president of the United States. Vladimir vladimir clinton is laughing. Binaries being paid by him he is doing his bidding. And the idea that the president like donald trump who has that more than 200 russian in syria by our forces. Instead of sending blankets and in march 2 ukraine, like obama did, sent anti take missiles. And instigated some of the toughest regimes against monsters weve ever seen. That person is up puppet bring they have returned a massive return on their investment is said that it was so far to the. Remember ted kennedy, and negotiations with them. He was trying to elicit their existent to undermine Ronald Reagans. As on side of the left, left on the side of useful idiots. Now that refusing donald trump and conservatives. Peter infamous 2018 book, why we fight, russia does not share americas Interest Rate and may face his own threats. 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