Their work reflects on critiques, technology and law cover topics such as facial recognition, computer security, Online Harassment and freedom of expression. Theyre ask youing the new book lurking, a history of the internet that will resonate with anyone who goes online to listen and learn. Not shout and grandstands. Mcneil trait treyses the commercialization of the Digital World in unaccepted and playful ways revealing what has been lost, what stolen, and what you utonage utopian possibilities might still eaves. Join me in welcoming them. I have a really brief reading i wanted to do. Sigh read there or here or its up to you. I will just stand up. Its just a short passage that with give you a sense of the style of the book. This is in a chapter called sharing. Around the time of its first iphone launch in sorry around the time of the its first smartphone flank 2007, it was possible if unwise to talk about apple as an underdog, and adopt the corporations own narrative am holdover since then 1984 inspired super bowl commercial featuring a blond raced with a exchange almoster in 2007 apple was ranked 367 on fortunes global 500. Ten years later it was ninth on the list between birk sher hathaway and exxonmobil if the iphone apple was off to races and in 2010 sold 40 million device by and boy 2014 sales before just sigh of 170 million. Now the figurings north of 200 million new apple phones each year. The Company Unique for its fascist you designed, i developed a near universally acclaimed gadget in function and panes. The iphone was ore yous and built to be handle like an intimate acquaintance. People would learn but the loss of human liveses associate it with the iphones creation. It was too expensive, but from the stage of mac world on 2007, steve jobs announced the future of the times. The iphones first decade nearly parallels Barack Obamas years in the white house. Elected in 2008 he left office in january of 2017, ten years after jobs presentation. Barack obama was the first president to have a twitter account and the first to use instagram. The founders of both airbnb n in uber were in washington, dc for Barack Obamas inaguration. And independently theyve talk but the experiences as a eureka moment. The spark that kris alize into an idea for a company. The corporation timeline of the obama and be iphone are lets not forget that meanwhile there was a great recession, a lot of breck people carried fabulous magic phones, too. In 2010 or 2011, it seemed like all the ads on the subway for authorize app. Then 0 haul the strange hangers had iphones and some an detroit phones. Mack the other way around. Theres an app for that was an iphone slogan and there was. The iphone was common in every day like eye guardrailses but felt new for a long while, past the point of actually being enough. Apples crowning i achievement, ten careers after the phone hit shelves, people system talked about it like a new creation. The changes occurred in little icon boxes onment iphone screens and changed happened inside the peoples having a way at them. User changed and the hardware for the most part did not. There are moments when i will pause and reflect in our powerful and world changing the iphone has been like the time i happened to observe one at a Grocery Store using facetime to talk to a friend in american sign language. Before the iphone people tested from clam shells and chocolate bars, ship shod contraptions that got the job done. In 2005, i picked up the slickest device from the tmobile online store which came free with a good twoyear commit now i remember that sill very sam sung flip as well as on old toaster oven. A throaty shutter click like a power tool mitchell hand terrorism belled when i pressed a button to take a photo. The badly come pressed images looked like we were in finger pains on a postage stamp sized screen. Dont think i ever bothered to upload any of the me pictures to my commuter but the phone seem good enough bus because i didnt think it had to be better. The iphone came around when my contract end end. I would cost 500 and still another twoyear commitment to send emails and place calls and keep papers from blowing off my desk. What . I thought the difference between yeah. Thanks. Not to be funny. I thought the difference between a clam shell and an iphone was like the difference between economy or first class. Not the difference between two destinations. That autumn i signed up for a focus group organized by a local startism. I walked away with a tiny check and an iphone as a parting gift. Through several models, it has been my hand or pocket or tote bag ever since. The tactile quality conjured up feelings of intimacy and trust. Health e held it so differently at first like applying eye shadow with the fingertips. What else do People Health with such care in bodies i started to go to bed with it. It became a paper weight to rest on a pillow, then integrated with misdaily life and now i scarcely think of it. The same way dont think of my fork on misplate. The world as an elsewhere and far away became more immediate through the iphone but the world surrounding me and my periphery was less present, lest urgent than what in the moment i wonder about. I found myself bumping into strangers. Grew less likely to notice landmarks on a walk in a new city. Never got bored waiting for a train. I in longer dread sitting alleyne with a traffic wherein a friend wag running late. Always had something to do, me focus on the screen could keep the bar vol toward at by a. I was never a lone even when i wasnt using the phone to talk, never alone there was always this one little window in between my thumbs. [applause] so im so excited to be in conversation with you about this book, which i really loved and i am kind of thrilled i get to ask you questions about it. With that, since you up luckily decided to put me up here with you im going to skip my first question and go strawing to my second. Which is go straight to my second. You chose the title lurking and the way you define lurk chug cant do justice but i will try, is in the book itself is lurking can be a waiting room before communication in brief delay like the brutal cling of an old dialup modem sound, moment to pause and prepare for an exchange with others, to get ones feet wet before plunging into the network and its encasement in am mix television indication of identity or an app for reading for work or general curiosity. For the grinning tom the guiseless internet. Im curious what brought you to choose that as sort of the title for the book, the motivating metaphor or way with engaging in the internet in the book. Thanks, kendra. Well, it seemed like the most obvious title for me because thats any identity of internet user. My internet use is very much the wall flower of the social networks and the thing that makes the internet somewhat unusual is you at a party a wall flower is standing in the corner and you can easily by the creep. Sometimes because we take for granted how much our communication is woven into our daily lives that core difference of physical and Digital World is what we want to make clear in this title. See mac. When you look at your preferred way of the internet. I get to ask you are there specific places online that you consider yourself primarily a larkey. Ive never have a reddit profile but ive always have a lot of time on it. I think there are sublets that are very toxic and had many problems and they had been created that people facing homelessness and resources with somewhat of a layer of in amenity. It is a lot about the screenings. There are a lot of communities that i just find it useful. The things that i wasnt very present with. Before i was there and i would read her post and i would deftly spend months that i would be there. Just like with the internet. A lot of our legal advice as a lawyer its probably a form of that. As opposed to causing the other pain. I think its sort of funny because it has gotten a lot of people way of interacting with this. They could post a very ridiculous post. They just imported dash mike departed from the actual content in which of the post was made. A conversation that they shouldve stole. Its usually quite bizarre. And he did heated in its own ways. If you take another platform like twitter there is already this kind of underlying irony attached to it and you always had to be above the content. I think thats what makes twitter distinctive. You cant really be too sincere about things. When i think is incredibly funny about that and twitter is in the book i talk about when i first logged onto twitter. I was too much of a jerk for the social network. Look at all of these nice people sharing and why am i not a nice person to show the peaceful moments of my life. Nowadays i feel like him overwhelmed with that edge. Everything has to be an element of it distancing yourself from the platform. If you can laugh at everything you are youre not so entwined to have some layer of personal distance from what you are doing there. In some ways it could be a way to distance yourself. Im not as invested as a people who are choosing to post. It isnt a lack of investment. Im not actually less invested than the people that post. In some cases im more invested. I still get that sense of distance. You framed the book in terms of lurking. One of the things that you talked about a fair amount in the book. We thought it was particularly interesting because of the offline profiles. For those who are unfamiliar. It was the ultimate in renaming because the profile is there. There are some workers who didnt want to facebook profile. Facebook constructs the profile from them. Even though theyre not on facebook. How do you think about the tracking on the web. And how has that changed the experience of being online. Or generally lurking more specifically. Is not something that is possible on the internet which is designed to track activity and analytics and all of those elements that are just part of the function of the social network. It is attached to having data on its users. That is another element of that. You can go without a trace. If we dont have this. It is like that. It is a way of sort of weaving without a trace. One part of the book i read was a lot of interest in your section on text. As someone who has identified with that label and actively new many of the persistence that you described. I was really appreciating the humility. You said youre going to gonna redo resist the urge. They seemed more likely to have those commentators in new york. Im i i can ask you to read the grand narrative. But just to note it seems it seems overly kind to me. I was at the time where you highlighted and see a lack of attention the class analysis. It ended up bleeding over into what i would call the pipeline femininity that we still see. And the way in which there is a particular version of feminism then you might have seen in a new york professional commentators that you are contracting. At the same time it is a version of a white feminism. Certainly there were bright spots. Theres a lot to be said about that. I would be curious about your process and thinking about that chapter as a real moment where i think you are reflecting on how to not come off as just nostalgic in a way thats ahistorical that is the positive parts in the tech feminist and youre only parts of this. That was an intense moment. And an eyeopening one at that time i was based in new york. I remember elements of harassment became unavoidable on platforms like twitter and facebook the professional feminist media at that time was not addressing some of the intersectional elements that went into this harassment. In some of the resources that i found that were pertinent the resources that just seemed so much be on this. With the presentation of the presentation of gender and equality. That time we can see coincides with the activism. Certainly black lives matter. I do remember especially at the womens march in 2016 having a feeling like wow weve come so far. A lot of basic understandings of inclusion that wouldve been quite radical three years prior are accepted much more broadly im almost hesitant name as certain factors more than others as to why that might be. As problematic as twitter is. With the major platforms. The nature of having Something Like twitter where you have it trending topics and someone could create a hashtag you have to discuss personal experiences and personal experiences the Community Element in a platform that is designed for multiple communities they push forward some more progressive ideas. I say that with a lot of hesitation because for the most part i feel like those platforms that are designed for everyone are very dangerous. This is one of the tradeoffs. When you have many types of people. You follow a few people from backgrounds very different than yours. Seeing their experiences and their arguments as part of the conversation and the part of twitter that was helping the hashtag. One of the turning points for this hashtag activism, it is something i dont want to discount this. They have nothing for that user with activism. The ability of Different Things on twitter to use the platform for movements or organizing. Or finding audiences doesnt necessarily represent a quite it a credit to twitter. Your point about the way in which those folks may choose to follow people who arent like them. And to be engaged in different conversations was really interesting. I think one of the challenges of viewing yourself as a lurker is that you can gain this false sense of familiarity. Despite the fact that you never actually interact with them. That is one of the tricky things about using the Online Platforms as a way to understand or relating to other folks experiences. You can feel that you are much more familiar with them i think specifically a lot of black folks online have talked about how they feel and are treated by white listeners. He talks about how he feels a lot of them think he is everybodys black friend. Lurking can kind of create the that false sense of familiarity. At the very least it leads to awkwardness and at most times. Can lead to people feeling entitled to other folks. One of the reasons that it was successful in putting out materials is because they didnt need those materials to make money. We can put this online for free. One of the other challenges of lurking it can be easy to appropriate or not necessarily credit peoples ideas if you are experiencing them in this way that it doesnt feel to you. I just saw it on twitter. There is a weird flipside to experiencing with understanding other peoples experiences through interacting with them from a distance. Receive plenty of it tweets tweets from people at airports complaining about some service element. We dont see tweets from airport workers. They might appear to be a representation of Public Opinion but its always a very privileged Public Opinion they have taken certain risks to share. They have made that decision. Its can be a little bit embarrassing but i have a community here i have a moment im going to take advantage of it. Its always been the case with any kind of social media blog and substantially less power assistance and they give economy workers. How may people do you see complain about their lift drivers. Its almost like they do not exist on twitter. I know that part of that is my bubble. I am following a very filtered timeline but i also know that the opportunity to share this experience to be someone precarious. Its very much a last resort for people that is one thing every once in a while they like that. It is always like a filter. Its what people of various degrees of power choose to share. Another thing is that there are still back rooms where strategies that they can take to be porous enough to be open to the general public. In the book i talk to someone who is a moderator designed for women and gaming. If you know anything about women and gaming. It is its not the feminist place. At the same time you have to understand they dont want to be so exclusive that some kid in a small town who knows no one else with these interests. Cannot use the internet. It is best to find their people. We want to be porous enough their people somewhere down the road. Have a little bit of that. They still not might not be completely unfiltered. A little bit more 80s and open. What they do is they submit a posting history to the moderator shows that you are not there to troll. And they get it to this discord server. It is a little bit more of a different conversation. There might be trolls that are just creating accounts taking their way. Just to get access to this. At least it is filtered to the community. It is a tactic not a solution. Its about the power of those small communities the magic of the internet. They had been having a lot of attention recently. If theyre looking to engage in small activities. Absolutely. We guarantee we have stepbystep guide run your own social. And he shares some of his tactics creating an instance is a decentralized social network. It has a lot of pluses and minuses one of the drive backs is it is kind of hard to get everybody to just get off face book the Network Effect of having been on this platform schools, workplaces. Silly things. For some people who are quite privileged they can go without having a facebook account. They are forced into participating. The social sacrifice of having to give up that account is too great. If you are in a place where you are trying to build a Community Online with people that you already know and you just want the separate rules. If youd like to not had your data possibly leaked or all of those challenging factors. All of that. Again, these are tactics not necessarily solutions. It is work looking into even just using some commercial platform. I really think that technique that the Gaming Community she has studied moderation and shes classical for it. This is one of these techniques that is very easy to implement. Something thats interesting about the internet right now is that if you are a user you are already a moderator. Youre also at some point in your life youre probably going to see a conflict and possibly want to step in. Next door. If you see some people. It was of said with great cynicism. That is basically only neighborhood spats. With the Daily Internet activity you will see people have conflicts in perhaps you are in a place to help them to escalate the situation. And as part of having that shift from the ultra exclusive internet. To afford a computer. To this time now a significant percentage of these countries in these world use the internet and use the internet regularly. That sense of needing to share the internet pops up in space with many people who are not like you. It does mean conflict if you are in a place to make it a little bit nicer. Do what you can. Thank you so much for speaking about your book. And you are can be signing them i understand copies are available for pure purchase over there. Its really a beautifully written book. [applause]. Twomac we are showing some of the authors we have covered have shown disease in pandemics. He talked about why new diseases keep emerging. Our classical diseases think about smallpox and measles. They all started around the agricultural revolution. When people came together. That is when i start my story of infectious diseases. Thats when the world starts. Some rodents that were carried some version of smallpox moved into someones home and that virus made the jump and started to cause smallpox in people. Let me fastforward to the Industrial Revolution we realize that they are due to infectious agents that spread a two it to persontoperson. And with it dizzy as them they occurred around the 20th century and a biotics and people thought we are done with this. All we have to do is pop a shot in someones arm. And then they will be all better. We would not be having that conversation today right now. What is happening is that even though we have taken care of a lot of these classical diseases we have these continue emerging infectious diseases. Some of the key factors are just around microbes. Someone that thinks they are smart collectively and they evolve. They have multiple generations with a single day. Before we can swap out our genetic materials. Microbes no problem at all. It is why you read about these Drug Resistance thats what they do. They sort of move around. They find a good set of genes and they said these will protect me from the set of antibiotics. The microbes evolve. In humans change their behaviors. A hundred years ago nobody have a kidney transplant. And so we change in our risks to infections change the other thing that happened is that we change our environment. And this is the big driver and why we have these cases. It should not be surprising when i talk about ezekiel or ebola the animal connection comes into play. With ebola it is bats. It infects somebody and then you spread out the chain of transmission and humans. Seventyfive of the diseases that you hear about what that means if an animal connection. If you move people out into the environment. They get infected. And that disease has a potential then to cause persontoperson transmission as you see if youre having contact with camels thats how you get the disease and so its not a surprise when we think about these emerging infections they tend to come from africa or south america or parts of Southeast Asia wary of a lot of connection with the end of a bird flu is another good example. You people in china and other parts of Southeast Asia who live very close to their pigs and birds there is a great opportunity for them to swap their genes and effectually infect humans. Those are some set of environmental conditions that lead to these infections and why we keep hearing about them. To watch the rest of this program and find other books on pandemics visit our website. Follow the federal response to the coronavirus outbreak at cspan. Org. Watch congress, white house precincts and updates from government. Watch on demand anytime unfiltered at cspan. Org. coronavirus. 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