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Other candidates reaction to the results. Live coverage saturday evening starting at 8 pm eastern on cspan, on demand at cspan. Org or listen live on the free cspan radio app. Next a conversation with Us Ambassador to ukraine William Taylor testified during the housing inquiry last fall. He talked about us ukraine whatrelations over the past few months. Speaking at georgewashington university. Morning all. Thank you for joining us this morning. My name is chris jim, i direct the leadership and practice initiatives here at the Elliott School of International Affairs. And on behalf of the brigadier, and on behalf of vice dean Alanna Feldman who joined us this morning, its my pleasure to introduce and welcome before us today ambassador William Taylor junior. Ambassador, within the world of foreignpolicy and National Security, is very well known and his reputation long preceded him. Ive had the pleasure of working and knowing ambassador taylor, my friend bill for a good 30 years. And one of the benefits of a very difficult situation that our country faces a few months ago and this bill taylor faced, given his subpoena and testimony, led to the fact that the nation at large got to see a magnificent servant. And thats why we are bringing him here today. Because he has served the country superbly across his career. He graduated from west point, he was the Cadet Company commander. He served in vietnam, he stayed an extra six months. Served in vietnam for 18 months when he could have left after 12. He served in a Rifle Company and then commanded, served in a rifle platoon and then commanded a company. He received a bronze star and an air medal for valor. When he returned to the United States he worked for a while in the department of energy and served senator bill bradley on his staff for 5 years. After that he went to the department of defense, worked in the think tank and served once again as an advisor to the Us Ambassadorto nato , william taft. And then build again along service, period of service at the department of state area was a coordinator for assistance to the former soviet union, after the collapse of the soviet union and the beginning of the Us Assistance Program he worked a lot in congressional relations. Thats where he and i met and we had many vigorous discussions, not always in agreement at all about the nature of those programs. And but then and now of course ive developed the highest admiration for him. He has been the go to guy for hard problems across the Us Government. He served in afghanistan as a coordinator of assistance programs. Onceagain, he did the same in iraq. He worked for the middle east quartet and former World Bank President James Wolfenson on programs on behalf of what all parties at that time hoped would be middle east peace. He was called to service as ambassador to ukraine in the Bush Administration in 2006, served there for 3 years and he most recently in his career served as the executive Vice President at the us institute of peace where bill and i again had occasion to work together. And of course, as all of you know he was asked to serve yet again as interim meeting acting ambassador in ukraine. So the point of asking bill to come here today is to reflect on this marvelous career of public service, exemplary leadership the next day, the same guy calls up, its not hypothetical anymore. He says would yoube willing to go out and i said , then i need to do some consulting, some checking to see if people that i know would have some advice. One person i know is my wife and i checked with her and her advice was dont know. I heard recently that there is, that there is a hashtag and its four wives whose husbands dont listen to them. And that hashtag is wereallmrstaylor. I didnt realize is this is a thing but it was as i was told so igot her advice. I also went to a mentor and we will talk maybe about mentorship later on. And, well respected. I certainly respect him a lot and he said look, if your country asks you to do something, you do it. If you can be effective. Thats an important caveat. Its important these days, because if you cant be effective, then you shouldnt do this. However, he said you should find out if you can be effective and he said the only way bill, youre going to know if youre going to have the support of the Us Government or you out in ukraine is to talk to the secretary of state. And i did and i talked to secretary palmdale before i went out there and i was, we had a very frank conversation and he assured me that the strong support for ukraine would continue. That i was concerned about that and people in this room understand why someone might be concerned about the support for ukraine coming from the administration but he was very clear and convincing area so with that, with that assurance, i agreed to go out there. So i go out to the ukraine, i went there in june. Got there last june. The embassy was, turmoil is too strong but it was unsettled. It was concerned, was upset. There ambassador, ambassador yovanovitch had been suddenly and abruptly without explanation pulled out of ukraine. Heres the boss leading the country and the full Embassy Mission all of a sudden was not there. And without much more convincing indication of why, what the problem was,what the issues were. Sowhen i got there , i had a little bit of information but not much. But what i could do was sit, stand, talk in a meeting kind of like this, a little bit bigger, the embassy out there is big as there are 900 people at the embassy. 300 americans and 600 ukrainians and i had a meeting with them soon as i got there to try to both get a sense from them in a conversation, but also give them a sense that what they are doing is important so i had three messages for them. The first was what we are doing, what we the us embassy in ukraine are doing is a very important time in the history of the ukraine. You will remember there is that election in the ukraine where a comedian was elected. Vladimir zelensky was very well known as the star of a tv series in which he played the president of the ukraine. And he was very well known by the ukrainians. It turns out ill come back to this but it turns out he was very well known by russians becausethis tv show is called servant of the people. It was widely viewed and in theshow , president jolobaradko played a president going after corruption and going after oligarchs and defending ukrainian autonomy from even corruption but also from places like the imf or the world bank and these are, oligarchs, corruption, even imf are the institutions that the ukrainians love to hate. So president jolobaradko was going after them in the show and heappealed to ukrainians sense of justice. A respect for the rule of law. It was a very smart tv show and it turned out that it got him elected and he was just taking office when i arrived and when she was pulled out and i arrived and it was an important time to be working with this new administration, a month after i got there was the parliamentary election and again president zelensky and his party by the way, is named the same thing as his tv show so his party is servant of the people. And servant of the people one 60 percent of the seats in the parliament so he could do things with the parliament and with the Prime Minister and with government and with the cabinet. So he was able to move some things along, in particular in a fight against corruption but also in the attempt to end the war that i talked about a minute ago. Those were his two top priorities, and the war on honorable ukrainian terms but also fight the corrupt oligarchs that were threatening both the ukraines future and his presidency. So i made the point to the embassy that that mission is really important. Second point i made to them was that there was strong support for what we are doing. What we the us embassy is doing in kiev right now and in forwarding, pushingforward on a strong us ukrainian relationship. It turns out we course had a great opportunity with this new government and so its important time for the Us Government to be working with the Ukrainian Government, the new Ukrainian Government and i was able to say to them based on my conversation with secretary pompeo that weve got strong support. I couldpoint out to them that the congress , republicans and democrats, house and senate , strong support, bilateral support. Chris mentioned when we were working together in the 90s on support for all 15 of the former soviet states, strong support but in particular in ukraine so chris will remember on the other side, the senateside , the chairman of the Senate Foreign comedy Senate Appropriations committee on foreign ops, Mister Mcconnell would put an earmark, every year for 250 million for ukraine. And people on the house side, the administration would push back on senator mcconnell. For this earmark. But it turns out in retrospect, that that was a good investment. We invested a long time in that, but my point is bipartisan, that bipartisan support continues to this day. You see sanctions built, passing the senate. 98 to 2. You see increased support on Security Assistance in the National Defense authorization act from 250 million to 300 million this year, passing 86 to 8. So the bipartisan support is there. We know about the rank or. We know about the partisan fighting on the other thing, on impeachment and whistleblowers, thats a different story. What i was able to say had yet to be told of course when i got there but i was able to tell the embassy that we have bipartisan support, strong support for house and senate, also the Defense Department, state department, treasury department, us id, so we could do our jobs out there and be confident that we had the support of washington. The third thing i told them was less just focus on what we are trying to do. I talked about the mission, we got support, focus on that and not let politics or any other of the swirl of other issues, political issues, domestic get in the way. Keep our focus and that helped so we all moved forward. Thats is certainly what i was interested in doing and were able to do that so we began. And as i went through the summer, last summer it is now , it became clear to me that there were two channels of policymaking and policy execution. Ill call the First Channel the regular channel and this is the institutional channel and i will talk a little bit about institutions and the importance of institutions but the regular channel of policy making and policy implementation for ukraine was the embassy. The ukraine desk at the state department, Deputy Assistant secretary of state and the secretary of state. People like alex vindman and fiona hill,famous names now, more famous thankfully that mine. They may not think so. But more famous, but thats the regular channel. And most, this is important. Most of the policy and the implementation of that policy goes through the regular channel even now. So theSecurity Assistance that i mentioned. Regular channel. Political assistance where we try to support the ukrainians as they are negotiating with the russians with some support from the germans and the french and we have been there. Weve been supporting that area that we should domore. But thats part of the regular channel. Usaid has a great program, state department has a good program on rule of law. Those kind of assistance programs, support for technical assistance, thats the regular channel and its supported by the congress and as i mentioned earlier overwhelmingly the congress has been passing those funds so that kind of the regular channel but i figured out slowly, i should have figured this out more quickly but it became clear to me that there was a small part of the us policy towards ukraine that was Going Forward in an irregular channel. And this irregular channel was the product of and led by a private lawyer. Probably everybody in this room knows who im talking about. And he was able to get the assistance, excuse me, of a couple of wellmeaning diplomats in this. You guys are good . Thank you very much. So this irregular channel tried to have an effect on one small part of the us policy towards the ukraine and you all know the story, i dont have to tell the story and if anybody doesnt know it, i can refer you to some congressional testimony where i lay it out in great detail. But the punch line here is in the end, the regular channel prevailed. In the end, the regular channel kind of reasserted itself. It was uncomfortableand unusual , thats why i call it irregular but the pressure reasserted itself. The assistance went forward. Our two president s got together, president zelensky, President Trump got together in new york. The bipartisan support for ukraine continues. That is still on track. So what i wanted to do and chris is right, this is my punch line so this is the bottom line on this institution that read the regular channel is the institutional conscience of the Us Government. This regular channel is the institution that forms policy in this case for the ukraine but more broadly it includes professionals. It includes people who have been in the governments for a long time and people who have not been in the government for a long time. Probably some people here have worked in this professional institution, an institution that forms us Foreign Policy and there are probably people in this room who will go into that institution, that regular channel. Thats an important , thats a very Important Institution and its a very important component of our government and it provides the norms and it kind of keeps us on track. Sometimes its burdensome and sometimes its cumbersome , but nonetheless its designed with all of its intricacies, with all the support from the congress, and input from the congress, theres not always support as chris indicated, sometimes there are disagreements but that disagreement and that support from the congress important input into that foreignpolicy institutional arrangement plus what the treasury departmentthinks and what the Defense Department thinks and what state thinks and how it gets integrated into the National Security council , that institution is important and there are a lot of institutions. And i made a pitch for tim snyders earlier book, the road to unfreedom, hes also got a book on tyranny which i recommend as well and one of the things he points out in that book is the importance of institutions and strengthening institutions. What do they mean . Theymaybe George Washington university is an institution. Higher education more broadly area us Foreign Policy structure is aninstitution. The private sector, these are all pieces that kind of provide guidelines and provide direction and provide a conscience for what we are all trying to do in our different ways so let me chris stop there and hope that something i said there prompted some disagreement or some other arguments. I would love to have the opportunity to talk with chris and you about them so thank you very much. [applause]. Ill turn this back onand thank you very much bill. Does that work . You called us how institutions are so very important. In our system of government and institutions vehicle by which the voices of all get heard. And as someone who like bill working government often with very great frustration, we would complain about the interagency process. Where all the agencies have to seek agreement. And the joke i want to tell is that theres only one thing worse than working in the interagency process and thats a country that doesnt have one. So we, its cumbersome. But it serves us well over the longterm. So i will take the liberty of asking the first question of bill taylor today and that would be from the standpoint of his career today. From the standpoint of your career today and the very many different posts that you have held. As you look back, what advice would you give to your former self and to the young people in this room. With respect to leadership and ethics . Chris, thank you. This is working now, im never sure which, okay. What would i tell my younger self . One thing, looking back. Chris mentioned that i started off at the military academy. Thinking that i would make a career in the military. Thats why you go there. And thats what i started out. I did sir as chris indicated, had opportunity to think about that experience and as i did, i thought about where i could make the best contribution. And i concluded, maybe right, maybe wrong side of the military, i might be able to have more effect than from inside because and i had Great Respect, still do the job the military is doing good and i also had Great Respect for the direction the military takes being guided by the institutions that chris has just talked about. And that i talk about, the institution of foreignpolicy , of National Securitypolicy, of defense policy. Institution and guided the military and doing what it did in vietnam and in other places and i thought that institutions isimportant. I had that thought at the time but i would tell myself , not to Pay Attention to institutions, to that one. I would also tell myself when i started, thinking i was going to stay in this career and rise up in the ranks, thats one way people can structure a career. Is look to see where you want to be after five years, 10 years, 15 years. You want to be a general officer, the want to be an ambassador, you want to head up a company, you want to be a congressman or a senator . People do that and people through what they need to do, what they need to learn, what school they need to go to what classes they need to take what jobs to be trying for an over in order to grow up, that was what i had in mind and i would tell myself now if i had the opportunity think about little differently. Think where you can make the biggest contribution. It may not be in this career path you start out thinking about and chris went through a little bit of my bouncing around in different jobs and in differentorganizations. And it was, i took an opportunity, the opportunity coupletimes to change directions. From the military and to National Security policy, from the legislature into executive, from the Energy Department into interNational Security again. In different countries, so take advantage of opportunities. And dont be afraid to switch. I think is, because im saying youchange , and opportunities arrive. The institutions, let me come back to that. Chris mentioned that too. Institutions are really a boring subject. Think about it, institutions. I am amazed that here we are talking in front of a large group ofpeople about institutions. But this is really important. Think of it as a conscience, the institution of National Security is a conscience of the Us Government in developing a National Security. That i think is an important concept for us to take away. Thank you bill and just one question, one more question for you and then we will definitely open it up to the audiencehere. Stand up for you as a role model in your career . And why . And personal mentor, if thats appropriate. Mentor, so i mentioned earlier that before i agreed to go into his administration , i wanted some advice. And thought and so i went to a man who had senior petition. In previous republican administrations actually. And asked him for this advice. This is the one by the way who said if your country asks you to do something, you do it if it can be effective and the reason he is so influential for me is that he is very well respected across the spectrum. Hes very wellrespected republicans, and democrats and in the house and senate within the broad range of Republican Party , he is, they also consult with him so this, that kind of respect , coming from a moderation, coming from a, the respect for him comes from his respect for the institutions. When he was in office, at the National Security advisor, he was able to pull ideas, information, options from people sitting around the National Security, the interagency cable that chris talk about. In ways that ive never seen possible so he was inclusive, he was engaged, he was detailed, she understood but you also was able to see the big picture itself that was a person i would go to for advice. Bill, so lets open it up, im sure there are questions out here. I will call the questions, i will first decide and then to the otherside so to the young woman here, thank you. Hi ambassador taylor, im a graduate student at George Washington university and i just have a question on what you think the effects are on the backlash towards ambassador yovanovitch the president has towards the countrysinstitutional conscience like you mentioned just now. Thank you, so i have known masha johan of it for a long time. Great respect for her. As does the entire International Affairs community. Even more so now. She has demonstrated the kind of toughness, the kind of honesty, the kind of bravery in what shes done. In particular in ukraine. She is attacked because she stood up for our strong support foranticorruption efforts in ukraine. And whenever you go against corrupt officials, you get pushed and you get last you even get press which shehas gotten. So Great Respect for masha. Colonel vindman, here is a Lieutenant Colonel in the army doing his job. Doing his important job in the National Security council. Not getting out of his lane, focusing on what hes supposed to be doing and doing it well area i hadnt known him for i was out in key as this last time but i interacted with him whole lot during the time that i was out there and hes always professional and he supported fiona hill, another hero. And was able to provide her with the kind of information that she needed. So those two people that you asked about i think are going to do fine. I think theyre going to befine. Ambassador yovanovitch has now retired. She gave a speech at georgetown a couple of weeks ago and it was great to see. Cause here, ambassador yovanovitch had really been on the receiving end of some really tough things, not just from the ukraine but also as you indicated from here. And to see her, she had just retired and to see her up there on the stage making this very good set of remarks and then the reception from all of the people in the crowd, there were students like in this room but there were also a lot of her colleagues and iconic diplomats so tompickering and bill burns. Were all there. And three Standing Ovations so she just soaked it in and she was clearly reaffirmed in what she had, hes going to be fine. Colonel vindman is back in the army, the army has given him anassignment, theyre going to send him to school, is going to be fine as well. Lots of thanks for your work on their part. My question is how can we as americans and students best support our diplomats and Foreign Service . Thank you. So there are probably in this room, there are probably some diplomats and probably some prospective diplomats people thinking about going into the Foreign Service which i encourage. Its an honorable profession and its an important profession. It came up through the ranks in the Foreign Service. One thing in answer to your question, think about that as a career path. Think about it as a profession. The other thing is to support them in this institutional arrangement where they are so the Foreign Service and one component not the only one component of this National Security policy Development Institution that we talked about in foreignpolicy and they play a big role so that kind of support understanding what they do, so diplomats and i can say it having some military background as well as this a lot of times diplomats see the military because they get shot at are the heroes and they are the heroes. Theres no doubt about that but diplomats are right there. They are right there often not visible and often dont get the credit for being right there and often they are there to reduce that shooting and address that fight and try to resolve those conflicts. We are seeing that right now in afghanistan. We might, we might be on the cusp of ending that war in a negotiated way which we had to do and i spent a little bit of time in afghanistan and my own view is that we are close to being able to solve that problem to come to an agreement to stop that war on reasonable terms because our military and the International Militaries that we are fighting they are finally about two years ago came to the conclusion that we are going to win it militarily. We arent going to let up until a couple of years ago well we will just have to mow harder and our military came around to where the diplomats have been trying and said we are not going to kill them all. We are going to have to come up with a negotiated settlement and hopefully we will see that support for that function i think is something that we can all do. The gentlemen here. Hello. I am from ukraine. I study here at George Washington university. I grew up in the soviet union in russia and i came back to ukraine where he studied and then i worked and the mask and the bosnian area still supporting gender balanced survivors over there and now im here. I have insider knowledge about whats going on. First of all i would like to thank ambassador taylor for all his support that he and his team are providing to ukraine and even though there are different opinions about how that support should be provided within the United States, i think your approach is the best and thank you very much for your continued support. My question would be on the other side in ukraine its very connected to russia in many ways and when you speak about corruption and when you speak about the strong institutions students which study here at the l. A. School will be 90 or so and the people will be working in the International Affairs. So how to maintain the balance with honest straightforward words like having working with corrupt people and in very tough positions. Speaking of the russian government which is extremely corrupt and a half of background and the kgb which is different background. How can you maintain your balance . Thank you. Alex, thank you. Thank you for your work in your country. Ukrainians are fighting these battles and the battles that i mentioned in the ukrainians are on the frontline and people like alex are the soldiers on the frontline so thank you for that. Dealing with corrupt people, you are right its a challenge and its also a challenge to see where people are in their trajectory. When i was in ukraine the first time from 2006 to 2009 i dealt with this lutsenko who at the time when i was there he was the minister and not a bad one. My understanding or my perception and my information not corrupt at the time. Maybe he had some rough edges but when i came back this time he was a different person, different person. He was named as the prosecutor general and had not prosecuted criminals who had ukrainian, criminals who had ripped off ukrainians and stolen money out of tanks. He was not doing that and a corrupt background. Other people in your country and the country that i know and respect in ukraine have turned the page the other way. Im prepared to believe levchenko may have earned her money earlier on that was totally above board but i believe she is now, her time she may have come down but i think she turned the page and was able to make contributions as the Prime Minister and she ran for president but others have turned a page i think i mentioned oligarchs. I would say there are corrupt oligarchs and there are noncorrupt oligarchs and not all of them are corrupt but theres that intersection. There are people who im convinced earned their money in a very corrupt way and are trying to change and become part of ukraine so the answer to your question is you have to keep an open mind as to who these people are. Sometimes you have to deal with them but i would say ambassadors and political directors and deputies and people in it we are going to deal with the range of ukrainians in this case the range of people in government in order to get our job done. Our jobs are to present u. S. Policy recommendations to ukrainians and how we would think and listen to them and to understand the good ones and the bad ones, the corrupt and do not corrupt. The president of the United States doesnt have to deal with corrupt other president s. He doesnt have to do that. You can have a lowerlevel do that and i think that balance is one that is hard to strike. But its a tricky question. At question here the young lady here. Thank you for being here today. My name is abilene and im ace dude didnt at the m. I. A. Program. My question for his you mentioned that your mentor had said if your country asked you to do something do it only if youre effective so in your opinion what are some ways that you developed effectiveness . So his guidance, his quote was if your country asked you to do it you do it if you can be effective and that is exactly her question. There were a couple of things. I needed to be sure that i was going to be supported in pushing a strong support for ukraine policy. I was frankly a little worried that other considerations might present themselves and thats a deal could be struck by which we would reduce their support for ukraine in which case i told the secretary i couldnt support it and i would have to come home. So, to answer your question i made it clear that i could support a policy that i believed in and i believed was important for the u. S. Foreignpolicy interest and it was part of this policy that had been developed by the institution we are talking about the conscious of the u. S. Government in developing a strong support bipartisan long period of time two decades worth and i was convinced that was the right loc to pursue and if that was going to change then i had to indicate to the secretary and id have to come back and he assured me. He said nope we are going to keep that. That is one. The second thing in order to be effective is to have a conversation and have information and the flow of understanding between kyiv and washington. If we are just out there doing our work on assistance programs and trying to help i went to the front frequently to see how their military was doing and how our Security System was doing. You cant just do it out there. It has to flowback, those considerations and recommendations at the flowback to washington so having that channel, this is whats supposed to happen. This is the way we are all trained to do it. You give direction policy direction from washington and you send that policy recommendations so setting the conditions in my case conditions for going out there but also then trying to make it effective by improving the information. A question in the back i think the gentlemen here. Thank you ambassador for taking the time to speak with us i want to first thank you for demonstrating to us how a diplomat must behave but advocating for the Foreign Service during her testimony. My question is really about the channel you mentioned. Adjunct professionals when should we speak out when we see this kind of irregular channel that you described in our careers . How should we do it and when should we follow the status quo . This is a very good question. So there are ways to express concern about policy and you saw alex vindman on the military side most obviously when he listened in to the famous phonecall on july 25 between the two president s he was troubled. He was very much troubled and the first thing to do and answered your question as he went to his boss who hadnt been on the phonecall and he told her what he had heard and expresses concern. The chain of command is important. In the first instance he did exactly the right thing. The second thing is he made a record so that it was contemporaneously written down so we had a good his mind and on paper for what he had heard in with the concern was. He also then and his boss told him to do this as he talked to the lawyers. There are legal channels in every organization and certainly in the Foreign Service and take advantage of those. He made it clear that was a problem for the lawyers and the Inspector General and that of course came up in the whistleblower because the whistleblower was a different part both that nsc and the cia and theres a channel for that. So the chain of command and then the establishment. Theres something called the descents channel. As a Foreign Service officer you can with your embassy and her colleagues or with your own concerns go back in a special channel and it will be read and people will listen to it. So you have to do that but that chain of command is important but its important that you have that. Its important that channel exists and people will take advantage of it. Congratulations on the Foreign Service. We have time for one last quick question. She has been very patient up here. Please. Im ambassador taylor. Im a graduate student in the International Development studies program and will be joining the Foreign Service in september. Im very excited. I just wanted to thank you for your leadership especially joining the Foreign Service. Its been inspiring to observe how youve conducted yourself in the last few months and carried yourself of integrity. My question is i guess just about what has happened over the past year and it seems like throughout the occurrence in ukraine you are one of the few principles who stood up from the beginning and spoke out when he noticed something was off. Other people in washington and highlevel officials who knew about it didnt speak up so im wondering what does that say about the moral compass of our foreignpolicy leaders and what are the implications for that in foreignpolicy . Thank you. Standing up, i mentioned earlier when i began to see this irregular channel and when i began to see the amputations the real implications of that channel when it was looking like for some reason Security Assistance to ukraine was being held up. In ukraine we couldnt figure out why. There were no explanations. Even washington offered no explanations in the state department and omb who has the responsibility put the pause on, it was not there and again going back to the earlier question about dissension i wrote back and buy chain of command to ask whats going on. I thought i hoped that this pause and Security Assistance was a mistake 30 was just a misunderstanding. Through the summer i got more and more worried that something was going on. It was not just chaos, there were was some conspiracy here to hold up the assistance. So i raise it higher and higher and i sent a cable to the secretary making the case for Security Assistance. And in the end an answer to your question the system worked. The foreignpolicy experts, leaders, principles recognized the importance of Security Assistance for ukraine. Heres a country at war with russia and you were holding up a security for some reason i would couldnt figure out and eventually we got it resolved. In the whistleblower for that matter but in the end the senior levels i think it can be selfcorrect thing. The institutions that has all of these checks and balances sometimes theres frustration can support the right answer. You are going into the organization i know that others in this room are also my congratulate you for that. Im going to ask ambassador taylor to join me at the podium. Please join me in thanking him. [applause] and my cat like to present ambassador taylor the first time the school has ever awarded to leadership and ethics award and i will read the citation here. Sure cide fair embassy key and previous United States ambassador to ukraine. In recognition of his exemplary actions demonstrating leadership and the commitment to ethical practice in the field of International Affairs. Thank you. Thank you. [applause] thank you all very much for being here. Once again thank you. 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