Unfortunately we never get the other side but we lose a lot on our side. I guess that is one of our frustrations that i try very hard to have the same opinion whether as a republican or democrat president and the constitution specific spending power was ours. Things like that we should keep her hands on to declare war is ours. And i think we too easily give that up in one of the interesting things that i found coming appear, democrats are better on these issues when its republican president because we both go can i do o and when the parties are the same they acquiesced over the bit on separation of powers. In this book you write the case against socialism which operates very much as a debate guide against those who would grow the left by advancing socialist ideas and embracing socialist dictators. Talk about the need for the book through the lens of which Political Movement is expanding or contracting. Most people look at the title and say thats a great idea but we wish it was not necessary. You would not think its necessary, it is true, i was born in the 1960s and we were experienced in the early 1960s he was omitting to stalin that a terror of stalin was killing millions of people about that time the great famine in china happened in the 50s many of these things were becoming known but throughout my lifetime people were horrified of what they learn with socialism. And now we turn the page and we have polls showing young people in over half of them are enthusiastic and almost half of them hate capitalism and think socialism is something we auto triton is perplexing who read the history of socialism, i think it is necessary. We have a couple of socialist on your side and a socialist on the senate side and when i was a kid there were socialist but they were embarrassed of the label. They were liberals and they did not want to be called liberals but they knew it would not be popular, now there in your face saying im a socialist and we want to bring socialism in the democrat socialism of america and their proud of it and it alarms me that young people are saying oh my goodness what do socialism mean for our country. In a short period of time we seen democrat socialist embrace the socialist brand as a growth agenda. You said something earlier in your political career which i never forgot about our prospect in leveraging growth and you said specifically once our party needs more people who have tattoos and more people who do not have tattoos, do we need to find people with tattoos to join the party or do we need to tackt to more people. Without ponytails with ponytails without hearings with earrings, i think we need to be a party that young people want to join and i think that is part of the problem, socialism is become hip, they dont know what it is they say therefore it in 10 of the people can actually define as the government owning the memes of production. I think its about fairness and part of this i blame on the government schools, they teach everybody to have selfesteem and if your son cannot spell were going to give him a price because he needs to feel good and were gonna pass out selfesteem and fairness and to get the idea that somehow the baby will make things fair in one of the things we point out, there is still a top 1 socialism, the difference under our system is at least mostly to the large extent based on merit. If im sam walton until something that you want, i can become a billionaire but nobody is questioning my stuff and he became a billionaire because people bought his stuff in the same way with most billionaires in our society. When you look at socialism there still a top 1 . One of the things that we point out about maduro, the leader in venezuela average person is lost 20 pounds but he makes ted kennedy look slim, hes wearing a 60 or 70 for chest jacket and he keeps getting fatter and fatter. Ive never read a book better than your book. You went down the project as an interesting endeavor in marriage and you wrote the book with your wife, i am not married but the wallpaper can be difficult. Talk to us about the process of writing the book and you write a beautiful poem at the beginning of the book that speaks to a lot of people who have endured sacrifice and a notion that that sacrifice is linked to another human being. We work pretty well together and they give you advice and marriages that when your wife says something you divide up and you have things and then you let her make the final decision. Thats not entirely true but i wrote a lot of stuff and she came through and read it and said to be interesting to add at this end. Give us kelly paul unique sweetener addition. It really got her going and got her upset and all of us upset who watch this with what the media did. In the link into socialism is a got to a point where we have propaganda filling our airways and under socialism this is private entities. It was an innocent 15yearold boy and her kids went to Catholic School and he was waiting for the bus and he never says a word and all these adult were saying he has a punishable phase. I met with these people a week later and they say it looks like theyre going to punch him. And its like do not understand what youre saying and everything about the story was wrong. I hope in the end you cant lie about somebody because there is a court case here. And to not get into harvard because they do inappropriate things on their social media. He did not do that but hes being lumped in with people who are racist or say bad things and he might be excluded from schools and careers because people think hes a terrible person in reality he never said a word or did anything in the other side were all these terrible adult were getting in his face in yelling horrible things in the media got everything wrong because he had an agenda but kelly was key in getting that in there and she does a great job in describing that and drawing into the whole idea of what happens under propaganda and socialism. The democrats and socialist we serve with tell us that socialism is a passive furnace. So who are the Fairness Police and how to write about them. Thats a good point, in the abstract they say we will have furnace but the thing i have a conception of furnace and you have a conception of fairness and representative my 22. And if we disagree with her, she is not going to sell us her ideas she has to send the police. This is where it breaks down, this is why its become popular in the idea of fairness, they complete furnace with charity and being your brothers keeper. I believe we should be our brothers keeper and the idea that we have community and can take care of our people. And government, they believe it and complete it and they say charity is if i come to your house and take the money and give it to someone else. Charity is if you give up your own money and not when the government comes but its not very charitable in the way the government doesnt because ultimately the more you want socialism, if you want a little bit the balance from government may be tolerable, if you want more you may have more balance. If you want to take the property when stalin collected the forms, there is a point in which people rebel and the only way you can get it is through violence, you have to kill people. Thats what happened under stalin, thats what happened to millions. We try to develop the question, i taught a course at George Washington and the kids kept asking, is violent an accident or inherit, is it an unavoidable in the more socialism, yes its inherent in the closer you get to taking peoples property people will resist and you have to put them in jail or shoot them. I interact with a lot of folks as a young conservative and say how can i motivate my child, my grandchild to embrace that makes her country great. The book does detail out all of the arguments the socials make and goes into a good historical context, a good global context. But when do we move past the tipping point, you decided harvard study within half the people under 29 have a favorable view of socialism, how do we cross the rubicon or do we go in when back with people who have embraced the incremental socialism. We are in danger. Jefferson said every generation has to renew and water the tree of liberty. That is true socialism and bad ideas. Every socialism has to realize the problems and what comes. The big lie that is out there in the superficial that they drive to, and intellectuals of america used to love stalin but then we learned they were bad. We used to like castro, bernie was a big fan of castro but we learned it was not so great. We used to like chavez but not so much we like canon 80 and socialism, its kinder gentler socialism. A big part of the book is proving that. One that is socialist because are not they are ranked pretty high on the Freedom Index for trade and other things. One of the main policy things to raise the Corporate Income tax, we lower them from 35 from the highest in the world to 21 and interestingly scandinavia has been in the low 20s for 30 or 40 years and part of their success that have low business taxes. So bernie says we want to be sweden and scandinavia but not the low corporate and contacts he wants to raise them. Scandinavia doesnt have minimum wage. Another thing, the biggest light of all the socialist is you can have all the free stuff, something for nothing, free college, paid leave, everything they want free money and will only tax the rich people. The big lie is not what they do, they have a welfare state, a lot of free stuff and a lot of free stuff they give you they tax the heck out of everybody. Bernie in his clan wont tell you that, they want to stick it to the rich not the middleclass but is scandinavia, everybody pays 25 sales tax so from the poorest to the rich to represent sales tax and everybody pays very significant income tax so the income tax is 60 starting at 60000, 60000 for the middle class is not the rich that how they get so much money they tax out of the middleclass but you will not see bernie or aoc going on tv saying were going to do 10 trillion for Climate Change in 60 trillion for medicare for all, the middleclass will have 60 income tax, theyre saying the middleclass will not have to have a tax increase just the rich people. It is a lie. Is capitalism 0 the rich get richer and it comes at someone elses expense and use examples to go through circumstances where is capitalism. We look at that because income inequality has been banded by the left and a terrible thing and the interesting thing is, they sa say one points out the pakistan and ethiopia has less income inequality and unlike move there, you think itll be great but its not about how close you are, its about how your level is. Income inequality is like a jealousy probe, its like how much money you make in reality that is a really bad is coming to someones property, you dont care how rich i am if im getting richer. Its another lie from the socialist, they say economic pie is fixed and if i get some you get less. But the matter is statistics are overwhelming with economic pie getting bigger and bigger and less property in Human Progress to org of the statistics that are amazing. Poverty in 1829 of the people have less than 2 a day thats how the bank defines it, constant dollars in it went from 90 in 1822 a third of the world living in poverty in the 1960s and today less than 10 . That is incontrovertible, 137,000 people escape extreme poverty everyday for the last 25 years. They are completely wrong, the world is so much better than it used to be. You take that global lens and i expected that to focus on domestic policy reforms to enhance liberty in the government in our lives but i think readers can expect a global view of how qualityoflife is impacted on folks toward liberty. I think the thing is, the facts there that the World Economy is growing, the u. S. Economy has doubled eight times in the last two years. Everybody is richer and i start out speeches by saying there is never ever been a better time, i really want it to sink in. Maybe not venezuela. You take on venezuela very early and you make people eat their words. You seem to take some doing and planning out that not only bernie but folks on cnn champion venezuela is a great utopia and you have a different critique. Its a disaster. People are eating their pets and we tell a story of a young lady who is a teenage girl and she has a gang but her gang is to defeat the turf of trash, the garbage receptacles and she says those are hers to look for food. How sad, people killing rats in the street to eat them and pigeons and its really a sad thing but going back to the world, with understand why the World Economy is not better and why venezuela is deteriorating into chaos. That is part of what the book history, as part of the debate we should have appear and we dont seem to have in congress, we arent talking about which Economic System is better and nobody seems to care what aoc is supporting or bernie is supporting install and in all these terrible ideas. And they get away with it because they are not challenged. [crowd boos] you also trace the roots of socialism which would be enlightening to many who would cast the monarchies and other endeavors as right wing government under government but you cite the socialism as a brand of socialism that has been particularly violent and harmful. I think thats part of the problem with the 1930s, they said when you have hitler come on board in the late 1930s calling him a rightwing dictator, i dont think this is accidental. These were political scientist to develop a spectrum of right and left and they put naziism over here and socialism and communism over here. In reality its just different variants of socialism. Hitler was proud of his socialism and like most inventors he wanted to make sure it was distinct and his nationalistic not international and racist and obviously genocidal. He was proud of those things but he said this is a unique form of socialism and when you look at his original planks, they are basically from the communist manifesto. They did it because after the war people became so horrified that what he did with the holocaust that we cannot sell socialism if they are capitalism, a rightwing authoritarian the same is true in the arab world. I think the commonality and this gets back to the top 1 , all these people and all these dictators in africa many had kleptocracy in reaching the family, but happens under socialism to they said were going to help people out and everybody will get a chicken in every pot. And it seems like castros daughter is rich, maduros daughter is very rich, the family seems to enrich themselves. Socialism is attainable by saying every economy in the world will distribute resources unequally. There is no opportunity for full equal distribution of resources and in a world you prefer merit, do we fall at some risk in the United States congress of leading into the elements of capitalism and does not take us to these places. The whole idea of how things are distributed in the equality is been a goal and if things were equally distributed the problem would be you would lack incentive and be in you work harder because you want and you want to increase your share of the pie. So getting the incentives is always the problem, do we fall under the trap, yeah because sometimes we want to reduce taxes on the economy and taking people off the lower end of paying taxes and is a lot different than scandinavia instead of everybody pain we are much more tipped towards a progressive tax code. Our rate has come down but still the vast majority of the taxes in the top 20 of earners pay 90 of the taxes. You are critical of the way the socialist system can fuel a black market in the purchasing power and opportunity to normalize Economic System. What were the striking examples to you in your research for socialism directly fueling the nefarious black market economy. It always occurs and theres a price point in which people sell things and if you set the price too low all the goods will be gone and if you set the price too high the goods are on the shelf in the black market develops. Its a thing that conservatives screw up sometimes, what is the just price. There is not moral price where supply and demand cross coming have to leave it open to supply and demand and the invisible hand of the marketplace and those wanting to strive for more private under profit, once a government census prices we get into the world of hurts because they dont know the correct price was too low or too high, not the perfect price of the market but it leads to horrific problems in the black market to the balance of the black market in in several examples we talk about how under socialism it cannot be tolerated because if you tolerate a little bit it undermines the system. You have to have informants and families informing on families and neighbors informing our neighbors and after a while jury trials are to slow and everybody is dying on the black market and we put all those people in the jury the government will not kick a conviction so things become more authoritarian because the policies are very unpopular. In one of the examples in venezuela, selling stuff on the street is a lot more than the price and he apologizes because stuff and were getting into people. And were charging more than the official price and theres no food or medicine in the store. Thats a happens. It does not work. So everybody can have it. When they do it well intentioned, there is no bread. In a happens everywhere. Bernie tells us the bloodlines bernie tells us and you cited in the book when people wait in long lines that is a sign of a healthy socialism. When we suggest you go down into the lines alike in venezuela. I dont think people are too excited in the great wealth of our country. Our country is so wealthy, we do not have a food problem. We have an access to food problem, the biggest problem we have in health and one of the Biggest Health problems is too much food. In the pers people and nurses id are better off than the middle class and most societies around the world. And we had to figure out how to get people excited about being part of that, even like unemployment workforce participation people who dont participate is like 38 in some communities is 50 and is still needs to be a thing and its coupled with the drug problem. People are working in the worst with the process and theyre more likely to get into the drug problem. We still have a problem here and every day the people without businesses are saying we cannot find enough workers. And we still have a bunch who are not participating. You draw from the fast Academic Resources within the Libertarian Movement but i sensed reading the book that you are frustrated by the left ignorant on how their own policies impact for communities in utah great story about my colleague in her coffee shop. Going back to the coffee shop in the ignorance on how the policies affect polity of life. Shes bringing on capitalism in the coffee shop has to go out of business. In the interview the owner and he says we went out of business because minimum wage was too high and the rent was too high. Theres rent control in new york and minimumwage control in new york. This is probably the biggest problem with the left even if you want to grant them and theyre helpful i think many do, its the not thinking through to the second order of the third order and the unintended consequences and it would be so good for the poor people but six months later you find theres no bread. And theres a black market and people are selling at different prices. I think theyre unwilling to. Or the demagogic trade some will say theyre going to pay with top 1 and the 1 tax that she has making over 10 million brings over 50 billion but her projects are like 60 70, 80 training dollars and you would think they would have to know that and maybe they think selling santa claus is easier. Its easier to sell santa claus then it is freedom of liberty and responsibly and opportunity. I say they have an easier sale but you just cannot get people to know money does not grow and tree. You and i both are critics of president obama but he gets a lot of credit for message discipline throughout his campaign and talks about the middle class and he pitched his socialist policy as enduring the benefit of the middle class, you walk through a number of circumstances were socialism wipes out the middle class, talk about how specific those are trained to follow the rules in the socialist policy in the road to get ahead. Want to get more and more socialism get less Economic Growth. There is no wealth and probably the best example, more than saudi arabia and how does that happen, how can become so desperate. The marketplace never allows that to happen and in the marketplace is growing and theres more of Economic Growth in its contracting and traveling up and its not one time, you see it time after time and you go back to the question on whether nonviolence is inherent to socialism, they had a good way of putting it, he said his ultimate desire of socialism is the only property and you have to take it from people and people will resist the more you take it from them, maybe socialism is for the most ruthless person because it takes ruthlessness. When they finally come to your house its like im not going to resist the tax or shoot the Tax Collector or the regulator but if they come to my house its ultimate violence. Who can do that, you cannot have somebody who is a socialist it ends up often to be solid, its inevitable the more socialism you want the more ruthless. Thats where you end up with ruthless leaders and if you want to take property you have to be ruthless to get it. That sews the lifecycle socials and pray one question, why do the socialist dictators dress up as liberators initially and go through the moment of liberation, government controlling and then a strong authoritarian and violent prehow do you break the cycle what you begin incremental socialism. When you hear people talk about her country and how externally it was, some of the revolutions, the french did not in the way ours did. Ours is amazing in the sense we threw off the yoke of the king and kept most of our religious faith and traditions and virtues but then we also quantify written document the said government cannot get bigger than this and theyre bound within the tanks of the constitution. I think we also have the english lenient tradition. Our revolution is being abrupt where we so often think its a continuation of glorious revolution in england and the bill of rights. They have limited the king for hundreds of years and done a great deal. Its along the lineage and were incredibly lucky we got the constitution and the Founding Fathers of George Washington not be communicating and not serving again we were lucky and who we got but also lucky that they believed in a written document that would restrain the size of government. Morality is an argument that the left makes in socialism, they say all the data may be true but the moral thing to do is to embrace the philosophy and the answer to that is very interesting, you talk about how selfish socialism is because it forces you to look inward as capitalism requires you to be true with the memes of others. Top talk about that. If im to be a successful capitalist and i sell something i dont care about my desire, i want to be successful but i care about what you want. I care about everything they want. Everything is focused towards getting you to accept and buy my services or my product. As a socialist im not caring too much about popular opinion or pleasing to consumer and in fact we socialize things like healthcare they just say everybody is going to get it, no bankrupt and dont worry about your bills. We dont seem to care they have to wait in line for six month or year for your hip replacement, it is directed towards their ideological concerns. How does that drive selfishness. It seems youre making the argument that a country that is most social cyst becomes more selfish. That is true and it is an irony in a way because they professed to be toward the other man and toward someone else but it is driven by selfishness and driven by elite in their society and they consume and accumulate power and money and homes and Everything Else based on the conan is him other socialism. Taken apart scandinavia is a big part of the me of the book and part of the debate we have about the kinder gentler form of socialism but you actually point out trendlines and scandinavia moving away from socialism and away from a reliance on taxes, radio think well see scandinavia 25 years from now and what trends do you see the answer back less argument. Probably the peak of socialism in sweden is the 70s and since then they moved to the right, the five countries that are scandinavian countries, four out of five are by centerright government and the trendlines on taxes has been down and they have also had big trading. They are very much involved in with International Trade and worldwide trade and they have economic index and heritage does one in different associations do these, they rank pretty high. It is important, you have to know whether socialist or not if we say the Great Success of socialism we need to know whether the socialist or not, their private property, ownership and people who own their own houses. Its a massive enter welfare state. So walk us through the distinction between the welfarism and socialism and wears her country fall. I think its a continuum of capitalism is here and socialism is here were in the middle towards the capitalist. Were off the center towards capitalism, not way over. We have a great deal of governmental controls and governmental environment. You write a plan that form Social Security in the book. The spectrum of things is where we are. Scandinavia socialist or sweden socialism, they said in talking to one of his students he says, if you want a real quick definition on what it requires to be capitalist nation is having a private stock market. Although scandinavia has his private property. There capitalism with a big dose of welfarism. But welfarism is paid for through high taxes and you still have private ownership. Its not something im advocating. For goodness sakes to buy a current scandinavia is 100 tax if you want to buy 30000 car you have to pay another 30000 or 200 . Its ridiculous. You dont think Bernie Sanders can get elected. No hes way too liberal and most people have criticized him. The Prime Minister said no were not socialist mainly because they want to do business with the world and he wants to do business and a socialist country, denmark says no were open for business and bernie is saying i love the socialism of denmark and it is funny that the left want to be scandinavia and they say love socialism and scandinavia says were not socialist. As scandinavia reawakens the impact on the middle class as they try to have a more capitalist system in america shifting the other way to envision a circumstance where the two were cross . The other thing that is interesting about scandinavia they have a lot of success and longevity and health and all these things in there several authors that we look at to look at statistics and try to understand why there is amazing statistics so they say scandinavians live longer than we do and have higher income. Heres the interesting thing if you look at scandinavian in america, the scandinavians live here and some deliver home, their average is still higher than our average income. The argument is, there is something about culture. And the idea of the worth ethic to make a difference. I think it is something that is harder to teach people that come from Family Structure and community in church and things like that. But this is where we have to get away from the craziness of the government schools and say johnny deserves to have a trophy even he cannot spell. The problem when we give people selfesteem we dont teach them the worth ethic that the harder you work the more success you get in as we get away we get a segment of our population, 38 who do not work and never felt the esteem that you get from work and i tell people all the time, i absolutely believe work is not opponent schmidt its a reward. And nobody can give you selfesteem, you get it to work. There is not one works better than another, he could be a janitor, nurse, doctor, physicist, you get it to try to produce something with your mind, hands and body and if you dont do that, it is something that is a huge hole in your life that is a real big problem for all of us. You have a vision for the Republican Party that is far more appealing to the a racially diverse electric. You said laws are proportionally affecting minorities to repeal. But the same people who advocate for socialism are the self Racial Justice warriors in congress and you write about the ability for racism to innovate elements of socialism and socialism may create a susceptibility of racism that you would not seem capitalism. What is the basis . I think because under socialism or when you view people collectively you view them as groups and under capitalism everybody is individual and regardless of your skin color or your religion youre all treated as individuals based on merit. As we see a collective we see groups, black rights, white rights, brown rights, gay rights in all this. And really this is still going on because its so emotional and theres only individual rights and dont be blind to who you are, what you are, what your personal beliefs are, the law should be the same for everybody. But the problem is when you begin to recognize group rights, really the law is not the same, the law is different from these people for group rights, that to have a special elevation above the individual and thats what happened, under socialism if everything is to be distributed equally, the law or the government has to be unequal because society when things are distributed some people work harder and have more stuff so to make it equal the law has to treat people not the same and its an irony that the law does not have equal protection under socialism to make us all equal into readjusting to be equal the law has to have not equal protection but unequal treatment of people based on their groupings whether the in the party, not in the party, poor or rich as we distribute we have a lack of justice. You are very critical of china, you talk about being a failure, the erosion Property Rights and how change society. What do the lessons from china tell us about chinas future in the u. S. China relationship Going Forward as they embrace these values. I take that and a whole another book. Its a difficult situation people have a lot of hope in the 70s in the opening up and having a marketplace, people were hopeful and many people predicted that with economic liberty which they were getting much more economic liberty, it has not work that way and in recent years coming on the opposite way. I tend to think in the long run, it may be longer than what we are seeing now the economic liberty makes people more interested in political liberty. I think in china they are interested in Tiananmen Square there were not hundreds but thousands of people interested in hong kong people are very interested and not being extradited to china. And by the hundreds of thousands. So we can be disappointed that we still have Chinese Government that is authoritarian but we can be encouraged theres still resistance. How we get there, i dont know. It is separating the liberty people from the conservatives and we all see the same problem, i see the problem of venezuela and china and the conservatives think will send the military in and conquer china and give them a new government and everything will be great. That is unfortunately does not work out that way. You talk about the purges that are necessarily flowing from socialism and i know a lot of conservatives are deeply concerned that we lost for debate to the radical left no longer wants to debate the merits of economic principles and they want to do platform and destroy those who hold these values, why does socialism accelerate the purging of viewpoint thought . I think because once you monopolize the economy, the planning you have to monoculars criticism, you cannot handle criticism, its a consistent theme. Their secret plays under hitler and stalin, everyone in these regimes and up with the secret police dissent. I think that gets back to the question, is not an accident, unfortunately it went that direction or is it really inherited that they cannot handle the debate because ultimately itll be dissent and unraveling. The final issue, it would not be a rampup book if there was not a critique of a forever worse. A member of congress who represents more troops than anybody else, i think you on behalf of the military families for what you do. You are criticizing a particular journalist and you say i respect eisenhowers warning that small wars could lead to big wars. I have never quite understood how one can be caught lying about his own opinion. With the fact check and deluded belief the eisenhower belonged to the war craft and then you go one to quote eisenhower saying i hate war, as only a soldier and one who has seen the brutality, motility and stupidity. As we try to guide Foreign Policy in our government away from forever worse, what advice would you give those who try to have a realistic view of Foreign Policy. Talk to the veterans. You say you have a lot of veterans and soldiers in your district we have two big bases in my state, interesting when you talk to them some of the most thoughtful people are the people who have served in combat. If we had a roundtable with five or six guys are women who were in combat, they are not kneejerk and go on and on. Most of them are sitting there okay after 9 11 to go but when you told us to plant a flag and become policeman and build roads, then to the world nationbuilding and they will recoil. They dont see themselves as policeman and they dont want to police the streets and building roads and doing all the stuff. Really ultimately i make the analogy of welfare. You give People Welfare and they will never step up and take the world to the hands and become selfsufficient. Same with afghanistan. Weve given them 50 billion a year end they will never step up and truly do it. Will they defeat the taliban, if we do it for them. Ultimately we have to. I think theres a chance that the military and those retired and can speak out, the polls show 60 say we should in the afghan war. Over 60 say the iraq war may not have been in the best interest. We should listen to them and we should listen to the constitution to make were difficult. Some people say thats antiquated and we cant let congress declare were pretty in my response to that, the 2000 protection 70 years wasnt unanimous pray when we were attacked in world war ii at pearl harbor, the next day we were attacked on december 7 and they voted on december 8 and 1 or 2 people voted no, same with 9 11, a month or so later it was virtually unanimous for the war. I think commerce under congress can come together and we tend to do better and Better Outcomes when we declare a war and were all in altogether and we tend to do not so well and wars that drag on and on and dont have a mission. My three nephews in the military and my fatherinlaw was career military and my brotherinlaw was air force academy, we see this from a personal point of view and i cannot stand a Family Member or your Family Member or anybody else without being very thoughtful about it and deciding what is International Interest to be there and we cannot have one vote 19 years ago sabine generation after generation to the definition of perpetual war. Thank you for being unique and inspiring voice for a party within the liberty movement. Thank you for listing your wife to write this book. And thank you for ensuring anyone who reads this will never lose an argument to a another socialist ever again. This program