Interviewing top nonfiction authors about their latest work. Great to be with you, i want to get ready to talk about your book, open borders inc. Thinking. First rtf your book capture my attention because something being a congress of texas, the operational control over border, ive been to the border number under numerous times, the 2 million a week that was moving people crossed, you know this well, its a real problem, theyre the ones profiteering on the back of migrants and women and children, can you talk about that, one of the opening points you make in your great put enter book. The work that you are doing is so important to enlighten the American Public about the cartel having at the border in the horrifying and appalling impact that has two innocent people on both sides of the border, one of the things that i think is really important to illuminate in chapter one of the book, what i call as a caravan cartel, the drug cartel cannot do it alone in its shocking that not that you have conspiratorial out there making billions of dollars in profit and endangering lives in wreaking violence and havoc on innocent families and children. And the fact that you have charities your religious organizations and they think theyre doing good deeds, and the kind of roads with good intentions, but religious organizations on both sides of the border that are doing service and enabling the drug cartel to make as much cash as they do. We have seen the illegal alien caravan come across from Central America to mexico into your state and beyond. And the support money that is subsidizing this entire illegal alien Children Network especially childre churchgoers n america is coming from their own pockets, they think it is helping their neighbors in helping Homeless People in their communities but in many ways it is going straight to that network and i name many of the shelters from Central America all the way into the interior of the United States that are being subsidized by the catholic church. And every in. And with nongovernmental organizations like doctors without orders that are creating those magnets and the factors that the drug cartel then exploits. You are making a great point, what i would love to explore a little bit further is the extent to which there is a cycle of human smuggling. In the extent to which cartels are at the central operational control of the cycle and to your point, how it works. A lot of people do not understand the extent to which you have people who are being driven up from countries by cartels and a list of organizations, one report i saw was 2 billion for cartels for the profit they were making moving people, not narcotics but people to get across the country. And the way they do it is by exploiting the law and then the asylum laws and catch and release situation, i know you know a lot about. Theyve come across the border and what you find, evil or being brought our cost, go straight to a process by Border Patrol and get walked straight to an ngo to get distributed into the country in all of this is completing the cycle of smuggling. Can you talk about that and the exportation of our laws and havoc comes together . The question hits the nail on the head. Because your average news consumer, even if they are fairly wellinformed, they have the impression that the people at the border are trying to evade and you know that is not true. They are right up to the station because they have been coached, not just like along the route but of course the hearing on the radio in their own countries, the word spreads very fast and quickly and we know now, in your state that its not just Central America, all the african migrants as well have been coached and i think that is alarming and that these people around the world are far more informed about Immigration Laws and all the ins and outs in the nuts and bolts and how to work around the loopholes and in many cases its not loopholes is how it works. And then the American People are about the rules and laws on her books that are supposed to protect us. So you have the illegal alien parents that are already here, maybe they have tempered protective status 25 years ago when there was an earthquake in el salvador, is never temporary in the world of open borders. Or they have extended relatives and then they have the children back home that they pay a coyote to bring across and the coyote pays the drug cartels and give them a final passage in everybodys making money and then you have ngos as you mentioned who get their own cut of the profit. I think what is most offensive to people who really understand the way thathis works, and in essence is a global human smuggling racket and they get to operate under an umbrella of compassion while they accuse all the rest of us of being racist, heartless, whatever. The question always comes up about who we are, the untrained they wrap themselves in the mantle of the flag and the statue of liberty which last time i checked was not in the constitution of the United States or any of the u. S. Codes that deal with Immigration Law and has been exulted as such. And even if you look at the statue of liberty, liberty enlightening, not liberty absorbing into the entire world. I think you raise a lot of important points, before i moved to one different topic i want to close the loop on the consequences. You mention the humanitarian reality of what were dealing with, the impact on american citizens, endangerment, Jeremy Vargas was murdered last summer and thankfully the perpetrated the crime with an illegal immigrant was caught and released and just prosecuted for that and fnduilty. This is a reality in america with her meet and work in citizens, also the migrants come here who are abud, the women, children while these illicit ilLegal Organizations profit. And then you say compassion, to me this is the false name of compassion that open borders is good for migrants. It is completely backwards, it is empowering ilLegal Organizations. And you talk about these things in your book and i would love to hear your point on that before we move on to a different chapter. I agree with you, the massive systemic expectation of people who want what we all want, it breaks my heart and the numbe of ponds in this inhumane game of open borders inc. Is incalculable and the fact that it does not to stop at the border, i live in the d. C. Swamp area and Montgomery County which is prided itself on being illegal alien sinks were based and when i left 11 years ago you could already see the signs of ms 13 taking over the public schools, taking over the local malls and metastasizing got worse. Its incredibly important to point out is not just american citizens that are victims of these crimes, it is largely other members of the migrant communities who are being victimized, raped and murdered. Thank you for making a point. We want to get to the next topic which really caught my eye. Im going to Say Something that will shock you in the viewers, i am a bald white guy. And in chapter four of your book, it was titled the southern poverty and you had the exact quote without getting into the weeds, you identify yourself as quoting nonwhite brown skinned daughter, a Filipino Catholic immigrants, the wife of a grandson of ukrainian jewish migrant, the mother of multiracial multiethnic children. And then you pointed out the things you are not, xena phobic, racist, white supremacist. These are always the charges. I just want to hear some of my democrat colleagues who is a lifetime Law Enforcement officer defending our borders and enforcing our laws, they call him a bigot. You see this all the time, can you speak to that from your perspective of what you want in your life and why you take offense that question were. I want to go back to my very first appearance on cspan in 2002 when i came up with my very first book invasion, it was on the first Year Anniversary of september 11 terrorist act, we are talking to each other on the 18th anniversary of those attacks and it was because of the love of country that might immigrant nationalized American Parents inculcated in me that they will need to write the book and now, 17 years later coming back to this topic and really the global financing of this immigration chaos, the idea that you have an entire infrastructure that is hellbent on smearing every immration enforcement advocate, every group out there that does the research and tells the truth on our culture, schools and public, Health System and welfare, let alone national security, it is really daunting because you realize these are not just random people out there tossing out smears. It is very well orchestrated and very wellfunded. In large part, it is coming from groups that enjoy taxexempt nonprofit status. So the chapter that i wrote on Southern Poverty Law Center starts out the way that you read because i encountered the smear machine very early on and now everybody is aware with the large number of prominent conservatives, independent trumps supporters and other organizations that have found success on the internet, but very early on it was immigration that motivated groups like the national council, the Antidefamation League and a number of subgroups under the umbrella of open Society Foundation to come up with their own guidebook, a book of code words that youre not allowed to use and for me in 2006 and 2007, there was a video that had attacked me for talking about the concept, the idea that demographically and many of the open Border Forces were able to overwhelm cities that they would amass electoral power, you have to look at the numbers and see what is happening but to be able to talk about it without being labeled a conspiracy theorist is nearly impossible these days. And it can certainly help the sdlc which is a highly discredited organization that even mainstream liberals in magazines like the alien take have completely exposed, now you have internal whistleblowers talked about harassment and Racial Discrimination within the organization, the poverty should no longer be quoted by mainstream Needy Organization and cnn in the Washington Post continue to confer upon it and authority to judge you as a white supremacist even if they had a brown skin as i do. I wonder, you spent a lot of time at the southern border and i have as well in the district i represent, out of san antonio the hill country, which is about 100 miles from rio grande along the laredo sector. I spent a lot of time in laredo and you have two. He i have many times. You been to the border texas, mexico, california, i wonder if your perspective is the same as mine, it is often brought out the charge that there is a racist of believing and Border Security. I have two thoughts on that, one, look at the brave men and women on Border Patrol who are overwhelmed and have one agent who is on diaper patrol instead of Border Patrol because are so overwhelmed and other agents are in the sector were the only have three guys and gals on the line trying to protect a 70mile stretch. In a 2mile stretch of 70 miles where you could drive a car alongside of the river. But you cannot see the river through the king come you dont have a radio signal or a sell signal. Were asking them to do the impossible. The majority of the Border Patrol officers i engaged with, i believe its assistance to cool truth, they are hispanic, hispanic americans who believe that border is part of our sovereignty, the rule of law matters, thats why people seek to come here, the second point is, with respect to the racist charge, how is it good for people of any color to be abused on a journey coming here and have open borders that empowers the very Legal Organization we discussed earlier in the show and how is that a good thing from a race standpoint . On the first point i absolutely agree. I cut my teeth in newspaper journalism in los angeles in the early 1990s, not only did i report on the perspective of american citizens and lawabiding immigrants who were Early Warning about immigration chaos in that state and trying to take control of it back then. But of course i started building up many sources both and Border Patrol and ice. Then i moved up to Seattle Times and was able to see the perspective of Border Patrol agents in deportation and removal ofcers who worked on the northern part of the border. We spent so much time talking about the southern border but neglect that the northern border especially when you have canadian governments and power who see themselves as doormats for the world and in large part islamic extremist groups that can go across the northern border because orange rubber cones, its alarming and they been under siege for a long time. Congress in washington swamp always pay service to wanting to fund them more, increase their ranks but they have been purposely turned into a diaper patrol because too many special interest do not want them to do their job effectively in another important point, these border were taught agents come from all backgrounds. And they have all colors, brown, white, black, yellow, many of course in the southern border sectors our families that come from lawabiding hispanic families themselves. In colorado i adopted home state, i visited aurora facility in the ice agent facility that work there from the private contractor, many of them are proud and recently naturalized americans who understand that to preserve the special gift of being able to become an american, you need an orderly system that is able to vent properly and decide who we want to let in who should stay here and how we should remove the people who do not longer in the first place. I was about to move to business and your open border inc. But i cannot resist commenting on the worst situation. You remember in colorado, i sell you the weekend that a group of folks stormed the facility into the American Flag upside down and put abolish ice on it and raise the mexican flag. I went to that facility that saturday morning the day after that occurred. I went in there and i found 1200 people i found tv, ipads, three square meals a day, i found internet access, jims, heres the interesting point, there were people in that facility in 57 countries around the world, pakistan, india, indonesia, this is not just a northern triangle and problems in respect to mexico is it . No it is worldwide, i remember when you tweeted the picture of you outside the work facility it inspired me too do more in my own home state and not long after labor day and we recently had a stand with ice rally that 200 people on a holiday, there is a hunger and thirst among ordinary citizens to show their support in a way that has not been on until now. With so many of the ice facilities under siege and being lied with the agency and harassed, i talk about in the book in chapter five abolish ice and into for anarchy. This is well subsidized and underwritten by forces that are hostile to american sovereignty and its very important for people to know what actually is going on in the facilities. In the tour that i took in you took, i was stunned on congressman to find out among the many amenities that you listed and on top of that, you have detainees, many still ali criminal aliens who have free access to nexus, telepsychology appointments, ive been to the christian facilities that dont have a fraction of these amenities. And if you believe the hysteria driven in the beltway, they are on the order of concentration camps from world war ii. This is absolutely ridiculous. More disturbingly, and the incitement to violence is not just some sort of speculation. And you would think with all of the targets that have now faced shootings, like the shots were fired in san antonio, the cocktail throwing at the cis office in florida and obviously attacked by nt for in tacoma. If the ideological were focused on the other side this would be an epidemic in congressional hearings. You make a great point, ill add one more point, the ice facilities, one consequence of the massive influx, the almost 900,000 people who have been apprehended last october 1, 600,000 of them have been caught and released. But a huge number we have to find a place to put them, where are they going, theyre going to ice facilities, when i was at a facility in aurora, 80 of the 1200 are people who come across the southern border recently. What does that mean . To your point about criminals, not being able to do as much interior enforcement because you have a place to put them. By interior enforcement as you know, were talking about hardened criminals and dangerous people engaging in assault or murder or a whatever it might be. And i met a tougher time doing a jump because theyre all overwhelmed, ice is overwhelmed. I wish we could shout it to the rooftop, the problem is when we talk about the policy consequences, these are hidden costs, it is not like a viral photo of sanchez that you can photoshop onto a time cover. And the left exploits this ability to tell the stories, but we cannot tell the stories of the hidden impact of other types of victims of crimes that we cannot know about in the displacement in places like the ice facility of repeat aliens like you say with the people who are search across the border and enable by the network that ive exposed. I moved away from Montgomery County to colorado again i was escaping it for Everyday Americans across the country, there is no safe place from open border. You could not be more right, the mayor of a small town in san antonio came up and did a press conference because communities because the dangers that are opposed and 50 6070 miles put to the board. But colorado, in Montgomery County, your former home all sorts of terrible things in consequences and abuses of people coming here illegally from the northern triangle. Im glad you made the point, i think we should pivot to business. Your book is titled are zinc. There is obviously correlation in a tie to the Business Community. One of the things i said before, i think we should be standing on the rio grande with a no trespassing sign. And wink wink, hold up a help wanted sign. We did that a lot in this country and we need to have a robust conversation about what is going on. Can you talk about that, you do in your book. How that plays into all this . Most of the Silicon Valley have their own vested interest, is not nearly virtue to spread money around to the racist project in texas that provides prpro bono to illegal family members, i suppose a problem would not be so intractable. For a lot of the Silicon Valley companies and i wrote about this in my last book sold out with john who is a former American Software programmer turned laurier for American Workers who have been harmed by the cheap labor pipelines for it workers from china and india. Their explicit goals are to bring in as many cheap laborers as they can and outsource the work. And a lot of the sunken Valley Companies have invited the sclc into their interchambers to help them identify their worst political opponents into the platform them and throttle them from telling the truth. It is connecting the dots of the money, tim cook and jeff bezos have donated to many of the deeppocketed nonprofit organizations that are crusading for illegal alien rights. You wonder how they have instant representation in court to sue over every last Trump Initiative to enforce the law. So big business and the u. S. Chamber of commerce are huge reason for that. Let me ask your perspective on this. As you know i have been working on this universe for a while when i was in the hill in the Senate Judiciary committee, 14. Then again the member of congress. Also when is the attorney generals office, we eliminate d tran10 force the law. It struck me, that the circle that we find ourselves in is significantly a part of the chamber of Commerce Business that wanted to tamp down any effort to have a sense of security. Democrats in el paso supported operation to hold the line, building a fence in el paso that would work. Now his successor beddoe overwork wants to tear that down. We know that Border Security needs infrastructure fencing, southern california, 600,000 annual apprehensions in the mid1990s, that is down to the 30000. Why, fencing. This is not market science for most markets. We can have a rational border policy, all the way to el paso into the pacific. My concern and my question, why do we end up in an endless cycle with some interest, not all, particularly bigger representation, not wanting to enforce the law . Money talks. And i think a lot of local chamber of commerce members have no idea of what the National Chamber of commerce represents and i think most of these local members would be appalled to know that and it would be one thing again if we can point fingers at beto or Julian Castro and say there really out there, they want to decriminalize border and they are talking about this seriously. They really do want to abolish with anything else. But looking behind them are large interest that allow the crazies in the radicals for the ultimate working agenda of their own organizations. They will be very happy if every last willing worker in the world with say across the border for a dollar in our wages. Let me ask you this, in a related point, talking about Business Community and free train is really important in texas. And having services across the border to mexico. But our observation, you have a growing middle class in mexico for free trade and our goal and objective is Society Better have and encourage Economic Growth without the western hemisphere, mexico, northern triangle, we want that to occur and we want to decrease the pressure. Isnt part of that the Economic Situation and making sure we stand up for free trade and i would not need the policies blocking the president school to get the you mca, she does not want to give them a victory. Why dont we also recognize that enforcement, in order to stop the magnet for people to come in crossed is part of that. It is better for mexico, better for guatemala, hunters, venezuela and south america to have a secureorrhere Everybody Knows where the rules are into come to open doors and that would actually result in better in all countries. I agree with you. The formulation is basically that the interior enforcement in the enforcement of her own borders is empowering to the people in these countries to create more wealth in their own countries and convince them to take more accountability for their own home. No, were just racist for believing the best way for people to improve their lives and prosperity is to not have to risk their own kids lives and drug cartels and all the ngos. Here again the financial imperative comes into play. I have a section in chapter one called banking on illegal. I talked specifically about the Financial Institutions from wells fargo to bank of america or bank of illegal aliens in america i suppose. Now theres all these paypals in the Silicon Valley to be able to more seamlessly send remittances back home. We President Trump who has vowed and promised and signaled and telegraphed that he is going to start taxing back to mexico and the rest of the world, he has not done it yet. Shockingly for most people although i know you know, and people who have followed these issues, the Federal Reserve runs a Remittance Program where it recruits illegal alien customers in america by throwing festivals and having carnival games for the children of illegal aliens to sign them up so they can get a cut to. One of the things that grandma intention is a little bit about talking about the media in a think referred to the media personalities you have done to create a climate of hate. Extending forward of what weve talked about. Can you talk about that and how that is impacting the whole conversation with respect to how we solve the problem in a rational and sane way and believing in sovereignty and free trade and as people of faith wanting to help people who need help in believing the best way is to have a system that works know when the law is enforced in open borders that actually harms people because theyre being controlled by dangerous cartels. Can you talk about the media doing that wrongly. It is incredibly difficult to talk rationally about policy consequences when you have open borders, propaganda in the media and constantly smearing patriots as patriots. And seizing control of the absolute moral authority card, to confer essentially the moral authority only on illegal aliens and their families at the expense of American Families who have been separated. That never comes up and i wrote a column this week about the questions that i know that the open border media is not going as the democrat president ial candidates, the debate in houston which is essentially state where johnson lost her husband, a member of the Houston Police department and she does not have standing in american courts to sue and hold the century accountable. Where are the bleeding hearts on the left for families like this. She and her husband are both africanamericans. There are so many stories like that. You have an open border media when President Trump finally embraced many of the angel families and told their stories during the state of the union, these media types on twitter were proactively smearing them, smearing at them while they were being applauded in the chamber, they have absolute contempt while they exult every last victim of the illegal immigration rocking. And in many cases they live. In americas deception, and sanchez and cases like that. It does not help that you have illegal aliens in the media like Antonio Vargas who has been supported out there calling themselves a real american who literally that the very fundamental difference between people who came here legally like my parents did from the philippines and him who came illegally. I am really glad that you mentioned what you are talking about and respect to houston and the sinks were problems that we have. I mentioned earlier. Who is unfortunately murdered last july and he got to know his wonderful mom lori and his family. The whole family, a wonderful family. They are just blown away by the state of our laws. They are really hurt, they lost a loved one. But i hear some critics say, there are crimes that are committed by american citizens, and who does more, my point is very simple, that does not do anything to bring jerry back. This is somebody who is here who is not supposed to be here. By the way, the 900,000 people who came across the board, we are not performing adequate screening and its only 1 of the people coming in are bad people and associated with gangs, thats a lot of people. That is 9000 people. Can you talk more about the angel families, the direct impact on american citizens. A lot of people do not know the houses and abuses that continue. We found a stash house in houston with 54 people in a basement being held hostage to pay ransom back to cartels on the other side of the rio grande. That is real and happening in america. Can you talk about these things . The most important thing is a point that it always try to stress and i have over the last 25 years. Yes, the open border propaganda will go back and forth about whatever the portion is. But 100 of the criminal aliens committed crimes that were 100 preventable. And if the gun control law that you apply and if it stays just one life to immigration control, we would be so much better off in the revolving door to victimize so many people, we talked about it before, not just american citizens but all races and backgrounds, and the callousness in wch the media and hollywood especially the whole entire chapter on that between hollywood and open borders inc. , the callousness in which they show in particular families of color tomorrow is stunning to me and by contrasting the outpouring of compassion for sanchez by hollywood, them media and elected democrats in california to the near code of silence, when this hero, illegal immigrant of indian descent from fiji was ruthlessly murdered on Christmas Day just a couple of years ago and at the same time that nancy pelosi and, let harris were tweeting about the separation of families of the border, they had 0 to say. And so i would love it if there was a media of moderators that would ask the democratic candidates, read your hand if you no who he is. You have so many great subjects that are covered in your book, im not sure we will hit the mall. You reference one, you talk that this is a web and we talked about sanctuary cities, another factor is the base community. I find it ironic that the Faith Community is complicit and allowing this Illicit Trade of people because again i think in the name of compassion that somehow this is a good thing to be able to do. Can you talk about the catholic church, you mentioned in the book the even to local churches that are a part of the network and sometimes wittingly and unwittingly and maybe for good purposes in their hearts but at the end of the day there still a part of the endless human smuggling cycle. I am catholic myself and over the years i have become more aware that the vatican and the u. S. Conference of catholic bishops are involved in converting our borders, but i did not know how deep and how many billions of dollars were at stake, many of them in form of government contracts for the settlement bracket. In the case of the u. S. Catholic bishop, exclusive subcontracts dealing with sheltering and paying for foster care for unaccompanied children and unaccompanied minors south of the border in Central America. What is alarming, you have many unwitting catholics who are giving money to catholics services or charities in there was a Catholic Campaign for Human Development who do not ornizationhave been hijacked in some cases by social justice warriors or in their dna that they were in alliance in chicago and we give money everythings giving as part of the National Campaign and as i said before, people are under the impression that this is staying in their neighborhood when its being sent to broad innovation cycle, the money ling machine and is not just the catholic church, i talk about the lutheran immigrants and Refugees Services and this is one of the voluntary agencies in the beltway, it has one of these exclusive settlement contracts and they are responsible for bringing omar and her family here and largely for transforming the twin cities into the biggest breeding ground for jihad that are not only taken place here domestically but many of the young men who were brought here in their toddler years or Early Elementary School years, now going back to somalia and killing their own people or targeting american soldiers. So i find it highly ironic that you have the liberal military leaders who published a piec pin the Washington Post arguing against a more radical reduction of Refugee Resettlement numbers. And saying itll make us more effaced because we need to import more arabic translators from afghanistan and iraq back here, my answer to that is an appendix in a purported gate which profiles 6 60 hotties 60 e employed and arrested and charged for convicted of plotting jihad against america. You mentioned a little bit ago something that caught my attention in your book and something that struck me about the funding of a lot of the in a tease out there particularly on the left. He spread a lot of the money around with a radical agenda. In a wondered if you want to talk about his and or other wealthy donor forces that are impacting this debate. It is become verboten to talk about, he has many of his minions that are employed by groups like media matters or the progress in things like this. And they have labeled any criticism of antisemitism. As you mentioned, i am the wife of the grandson of ukrainian jews and this does not insulate me from the charges. So the chapter that i wrote about is simply filled with facts about how the large bulk of the 25 billion net worth is now being directed toward the open Society Foundation. 18 billion, he has earmarked to achieve his agenda. Again this is not conspiracy theory, i read his book called the case for global government and he considers sovereignty and obstacle. An obstacle to his goal of using the United Nations to achieve the own in a financial reasons or etiological reason. What is daunting, they inform the leaders on my side of the aisle, we know he is involved in many highprofile groups that become active in the electoral season. There are hundreds and hundreds that proliferate that you dont even understand what they mean. Abolish ice movement in new york city has been perpetrated by a group called make the road new york. I dont even know what that means. They came out of nowhere to organize thousands of people to descend on the airports in new york city when trump tried to introduce the travel ban. Which it was all centered on making sure we do not have another 9 1 and there are numerous of these groups that turnaround and take their grants and grant them to other organizations. I think its really important for people to see how many layers are involved and to make sure in their own neighborhood that they are doing their own homework about who is filming sanctuary cities or who is spearheading the drive for drivers license for illegal aliens or instate which in. We talked about maryland and it has been a feast in Montgomery County and it cost an action to endorsed the Montgomery County executive, its a cozy network. Think you articulated that very well. I think one thing that might help for those viewing, truly understand open border inc. Walking someone through the cycle of the human smuggling effort, thats at the center, a family sitting in the northern triangle, who is struggling and has economic restitution and say i would like to go to america, and they are told you dont have to come to the normal channels, up, pay a fee and take it across the river and you can do whatever you want to do. They are told that was some degree of honesty. The cartels are saying some of the ilLegal Organizations, pay a fee. What is that fee . Its Something Like 7000. So a family in the United States, cousin, uncle or aunt will pay the fee for somebody or somebody back home will pay the fee. The bring somebody to the border, pay coyotes and its a supply chain. There is a whole Business Model built around this. They will take a video of 70 coming across the water and send the video to the family and sometimes all take a dad, brother and they will abuse them and take a video of the abuse and send it to them and ask for more money, more ransom. Then they get across the river and taken to a stackhouse and held for ransom. In the meantime, when they come across a river they go to Border Patrol because they know the get caught and released. If you have a child, its about interpretation, age or get out of jail free card. And you get to come into the United States. I think its a point to the American People and you eluded as a whole notion of are inc. , this is a whole system,t tie together to do this and accomplish this to the detriment of our sovereignty to come here. And the fluency in which all of these players speak about the racket and the premium that they pay to get across, knowing that the lotto is right there, the binational of lawyers to hold the know youre right seminar, we talked about lexisnexis, the ice facility and theres an appendix in open borders inc. That lays out all the Legal Organizations in an entire army of the illegal alien lawyers lobby. When you have every law school that is recruited in every white shoe law firm that provides Pro Bono Legal services in bringing caall the way up to the Supreme Court, let alone the judicial, is not just the ninth Circuit Court of appeals. I understand its a great shorthand for people signaling they understand theres a problem with the court. But when you have these individual Circuit Court judges unilaterally asserting authority to overrule the president s powers on immigration, we have a systemic problem and people asked me, what can i do. One thing, make sure if you have the power to get votes for district attorneys, that you are going to vote for district attorneys and not going to look the other way of immigration l law. I think we should start impeaching some of the open border stretches as well. We could have in a whole hour long conversation on just that alone given the extent to which the judges interfere with reasonable efforts by their ministration to try to secure the border and congress to make their stances. That brings me too an approved point, politicians. We have got a significant debate going on about the state of the border and what the president wants to do, ice, Border Patrol and for the first five months of this year, my democratic colleagues repeatedly said there was no crisis. It was a made up crisis, meaning fracture crisis. I go to the ford house and talk to the number of people, 100 something thousand apprehensions in a month. And id be told that the meaning fracture crisis. Suddenly in the summer we have to admit theres a crisis. What you see as the main problem for the political standpoint and how much politicians are making it worse and how much the problem of a politicians attacking. I think the incitement to violence to every mainstream democrat is incredibly alarming and thats why youre seeing the grassroots and the support, the disingenuousness of all these democrats is certainly the president ial field on determining the noncrisis was a catastrophic event, is speaks to the lack of any adult in the Democrat Party back rooms on this issue. There used to be rational voices on deck, Robert Jordan of your home state was a true heroin and patriot and there is not one democratic president ial candidate who will stand up and say, we should not have medicare for all illegal aliens, we should put american citizens first, we should really believe in an idea of securing the blessings of liberty to ourselves and prosperity first. I suppose of all of them, kelsey gabbert has shown a glimmer of up sanity of the issue. When you have the head of the Democrat National convention and thomas perez the radical french has become the center of the Democrat Party. I am glad you pointed that out. As i think about the importance of your book and the timing of the subject matter, im glad you mentioned the medicare for all. He said absolutely, this is a pre9 11 world per he said absolutely, if you dont have a social where first date. Thats an important point. Because of the magnet. Its important that we have sovereignty in a way to manage all of this in the security of our citizens and migrants have a safe way to come here. I think thats an important point that you made in medicare for all, every single democratic candidate raised her hand and if you think about what that looks like and what that would do to enter immigration system, the numbers that we see would swell to untold numbers. Where do you think we go from here . What you get out of this book and what do you think we do to shape the narrative in which are trying to accomplish with open borders inc. . People asked me, what do i do now. And for all seven, this is my seventh book that i wrote. I never intended my books to become for people to leave them in these books to have the shelf life of french fries. I want people to use information and im trying to practice what i preach by going out there and ive seen so many bright peopl e who have not had the privilege of having a pop from that i had. And you cannot let fear guide you. I feel like if you can take small steps to do which you can to defund open border inc. , and you can start small, some are harder than others. If you do not want the support of what google is doing and you have google, amazon and microsoft to the employees who have now essentially declared war on ice, they are pressuring their ceos to stop doing business in any business on all with anyone who works at the department of Homeland Security you need to wean yourself off the platforms. Myspace does not exist and is a point in which we all thought it was going to rule the world. It no longer is. So i change banks from a National Chain that was embracing illegal immigration to a local bank in my hometown. That is my first step. And we have to lobby ourselves and raise our voices and pressure the people in the swamp to do more to defund many of the nonprofit tax exempt groups that are engaging in fait fictitious behavior pray. I appreciate your book and the timing of it. I think we can solve the problems and we have solutions, onepage bills that would solve the asylum problems. Onepage bills with a catch and release. Funding ice in about a billion dollars to deal with what we need on the border to stop cartels, it just takes a result to do it and i appreciate you exposing this network against what the market people want, a rational system built on the rule of law so people can come here and live the mckendree but do it safely according to our law. I know you agree with that. I want to thank you, if we could clone you 434 times, that would go a long way. Thank you for your time, i know youre busy and thank you for what you are doing. This program is available at asa podcast. All after words programs can be viewed at booktv. Org. The new cspan online store now has book tv products. Go to cspa cspanstore. Org to k them out. See what is new for book tv. Week nights this week we have a program showcasing what is available every weekend on cspan2. On thursday the theme is memoirs, Supreme Court associate neocortex reflects on his 30 year career. And the thoughts of the judiciary in the u. S. 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