I recently watched an interview where you talked about the title of your book and you mentioned that the title is basically in reference to conduct on the coming. But as i read the book, one of the things that stuck out to me, among many was you talk a lot about finding yourself, trying to find yourself and what your purpose and meant to be in life. My take away from the title prior to reading the previous interviews which really is about the struggle to undo and ill become many of the things that your parents taught you or had expected of you only to have to become again after you left the marine corps. Can you tell us more about where you are in the process . Guest yeah, unbecoming means so many Different Things and i think any interpretation is probably correct in its military justice term and i wanted to play without a little bit very literally i observed the marines doing things that i found unbecoming and certainly legal and Sexual Violence against members. But that was on was the easiest thing to interpret because it got very real about male behaviors being a young adult and tried to find my way arm around the marines and prior to the marine corps, growing up in a fairly strict conservative indian household and being an only child to having a lot of pressure from my parents, they were firstgeneration immigrants and literally came to the United States on ship over the Atlantic Ocean which is a hard thing to imagine or remember. There was a a lot of pressure to succeed academically and i did tell people, American Society is so different than Indian Culture and a lot of ways. But one of the things, my parents thought i would grow up being turned by kids and families who prioritize what is important to the child and what interest are important to the child, what does the child want to be when he or she grows up. The joy was not cultivated in my early life. It was not the way we did things. It was all about studies, i had very little say in what i was doing and the things i was to do much under most were not encouraged or if i did them it was to get into a school where i would study harder, it was a steppingstone to the next academic pursuit. But when was not supposed to be an artist or an athlete or any of these things. So i had to leave some of that behind, my parents for binney to play basketball after High School Even though it was my favorite thing in the world. I was good enough to keep playing but having these activities stripped away i became quite depressed. In my young adult life i did not know who i was or what i wanted to do because it was my parents voices in my head that dictated everything. I did not know what my own voice was. Is it me speaking for the person who raised me on what im doing. It was my way of breaking away from all of that parental confirmation. And it was very extreme because i had no background in the military, had no relatives or close friends, i was going out on a limb and said alright, see you dad, see mom im doing this and you cannot control what im doing after that. Lets talk about the one thing very quickly for the audience. Im not sure if theyre familiar with the marine corps as an institution. The United States, most people are not aware the marine corps is as most branch of the service but addition it is a service with diffuse women. I would like to get your thoughts, we talk a lot about intersection ali as a me too movement and your story is obviously a brilliant representation of what is like to be a woman in such a minority population and very testosterone organization but also a woman of color, also bisexual, and this is in an environment where no form of diversity is overtly seen as a positive for the institution. One of the things i more struck by is how the marine corps denies any form of gender as a positive. There was a poster that was produced that has a photo of a female green, the slogan is essentially, there are no female marines, just marines. That is not really true, why cant i beat a female marine and compete and be seen as equal. One of the things you read about the struck math about, we shared experiences, you observed early on that the marine corps view of equality is based on a false premise and a lot of female marines who have fallen into the trap of thinking we do everything that the men do but the reality you saw firsthand that that was not really true, we did not run to the same standards, we did not do pullups and i would like to read an excerpt from the book to set the stage for this part of the discussion, if that is okay. I eventually came to know the flexed arm hang which was the physical fitness test for women marines and frequently it was not a test of strength but a glaring symbol that separated women from hardworking men that made up the real marine corps, as a way to integrate women into the marines without letting us dream big. It was one of the many him relations that bonded all women in the corporate can you talk about your experience and how that shaped her perception of gender when you joined . Hostguest i think i was ready r some kind of mental agony going into the marines, we all grew up in a desire to join the military. But a hollywood notion. I saw the movie and it was doing something that was unthinkable. And so joining the marine corps, i expected to be treated the same and it was very odd not to be treated like the guys so we were in segregated platoon of women by female drill instructors and i think if the training had been the exact same i might not have cared as much, people often times forget days or weeks of boot camp because its a haze of yelling and running and doing so much on so little sleep, goes fast for some of us but i think the double physical standards are the things that bothered me the most, and you read this passage in which the flexing and marines for women was so humiliating because i cannot do pullups and like all women could do pullups if we all trained to do them, its a matter of getting on the bar and training over time, i dont know a Single Person who is not been able to do that and we are seen even today i marine corps policy of options for women and required for physical fitness test, it blows my mind because those who are pursuing the pullups as an option are not only meeting the expectations by the marine corps but exceeding them. I chuckle pretty hard when i heard that but its no surprise for us who know this, when you make the institution of hypocrisy and understand its the same for men and women, it works better for everyone, theres no resentment among men theres a healthy competition and everyone excels. And so the other thing that shocked me going through the school and the first few weeks of training was a double standard, not just in physical fitness but in cultural terms. There was separate hair regulations, are described in my book next top model scenario where women wake up an extra hour or more to do their hair according to the ring core regulation which struck me as absurd but the regulations were so detailed oriented farmer so then the other branches of service that you would be punished for bobby penn sticking out of your button. Host your evaluating under physical presentation to a greater degree than your physical fitness presentation. That is interesting. Absolutely and i thought what does this have to do with were fighting in combat ready. It really threw me. I did not realize how naive i was. At one point i found in the longterm is that this was another way of women from them real marine corps. Host you not only explains double standards when you wrap ostrich candidate school, the first training and firsthand on explains in the meat into marine corps. You not only observe the double standard but you observed the really interesting predicament of women marines and candidates who are falling right into that trap. Not a lot concerned being demonstrated by the female greens or candidates about having these double standards but when you get to the basic school which is the followon training, you write that the uniform regulation that carries over to how people are adjusting for liberty which is what we do on offduty. Talk about your experience and why do you think women in the marine corps, there is so few of us you would think would make it easier to band together, why do you think the culture makes it so divisive and that women tend to fall into the trap that the marine corps sets. Guest im not entirely i was not aware of this of those going through. I think it took years of thinking about it so in retrospect i think what is happening, i was late 20s at the time, it was the concept of weakness by association. Being with other women, so few of us, at that point it was 6 of the officers was female. And it might be 7 now. Its so few. And if you were in a crown of women you would all be called nasty, you would not belong, you would belong on marine corps poster. So we segregated or separated herself from one another, again consciously or unconsciously, not sure sure, it was happening in order not to be associated with the other weak ones. It is such a hurtful thing because of course what most of us needed was to be lifted up by my fellow marines. Not to be put down. Had i had more of that support i would not have plundered internally as much as they did during those years. With things like liberty, uniform regulations, i found it amusing because the marine corps was so strict in terms of what we could or could not wear but i found women being sexually objectified with what they chose to wear, i described my female peers as falling in tonight candy a justification in a relay set the time it was not so simple. It was not they were choosing to be sexualized, a duck defied or harassed it was th the way thins were. You cannot win if you are wearing suits and you cannot win if you are wearing color caller. Either way you would not belong. So i had a roommate, a roommate of mine, we were asleep and it was late when i and the guy down the hall, very drunk, a very big guy and he barged in through the door crawled in bed with my roommate and probably would have assaulted her. It was a very surreal thing. The three of us, four of us to a room were lying in bed in different bunks and i was only one awake and asking my roommate are you okay, knowing full well she is probably not okay, there is a guy in her bed, and she kept tony yeah, yeah im okay i got this. So giving her the agency to deal with the drunken man in her bed, she finally got him out. Host she just kind of rolled her eyes, that is simply that should not be accepted because it comes normal and thats why we accept it. I knew she was not okay. Youre just not okay with that behavior. But i think she had come to terms with the fact that it was part of the course. That was way things were. I brought it up with a male lieutenant and he shut me up and he said me ruining another good mans career. I heard that many times when i was in ring office or. Is interesting, we talk a lot about maintaining good order and discipline and that becomes especially contentious point were talking about Sexual Assault in the military and sexual harassment. We talk about discipline but we dont do a lot to put the shoes and the person who is been the victim so we can really have empathy. I think its a very interesting culture that we empathize her with the person who is being accused rather than the person who says this happened to me and its hard to talk about but im paying it forward for that purpose. Interesting, one of the things also see them, there is a big discrepancy of how sex is viewed for men versus female marines. So you write a lot about how the men who you served were living a double life, not all but many living a double life in a way that women certainly would never be able to. Id like to read another passage if you do not mind and get your thoughts. Essentially what do you say, these men had all deep personal sheds wearing layers of denial, some setting aside the responsible he of early midlife and others had personalities that were split into. Most of them were senior career greens and the turmoil that required extensive full searching and if our team of therapist to sort out. Most of them whenever bother. Can you tell me what prompted you to write that and about the experiences that you had and how you observed the difference between men and women and have sex was observed. Guest i was surrounded by a male marine as all of us were, some were more integrated than others with women. But most of my friends were men by sheer number and at some point i found myself also becoming sexually involved in relationships that i was not thrilled about to be honest. I did not have too many sexual relationships that i can be proud about in retrospect. But at some point i had given up on the idea that the marine corps cord core values translato a daytoday behavior of men in the marine and when i met men who were married but not telling me they were married and i would end up sleeping with them, this became a habit and when i was in the marine corps i started talking to of the marines and i rely still, the experience was as well, the secret, double life that many men who i met were leading. In the passage that you read, i read about in a chapter about being what thousands of marines due annually and as most americans know, it is a site of enormous massive scale commercial sexual trafficking. In the newark military engages in that, it is a wellknown as what happens in las vegas, stays in las vegas. It is so widely known, is not just my experience, its a marine experience so it was very shocking for me too see with my own eyes, this is not something i heard about, marines i knew who had families back home, engaging in sex with local workers and remind people we are not just women we are also gross, teenage girls. It broke my heart. Mostly because i was myself living a double life at the time. I was not sure, to identify like the marine men during the stuff or with the women and girls in thailand who i see in this massive scale economic exportation. There is a huge disconnect for me at the time and i felt like my internal compass was breaking. My moral compass. And while my participation in the world of trafficking as an observer, it felt very responsible and guilty in some sense for wearing the uniform and see night after night, thousands of marines and sailors engaging in this activity and not realizing how they were contributing to other human beings. Host not only harmful activity but an activity for a lot of men is viewed as a right of passage, there is a reason that we polar ships into the liberty ports we pull into. You talked about the fact there is availability to young girls and young women and their there for a reason. So, i the same experience having been on a marine unit and i observed how this was normal and people look the other way and theres a reason, it was not for the local economy. But i also observed how in the marine corps particular the most conservative of all the military branches that sex is used as a way to prop up a masculine identity that marines have come a meal marines, but at the same time if you use as a form as shame female marines to conform to be standard, i was crushed when i was reading your book because you talk a lot about a sex driven hatred that you experienced while the men around you are blissfully ignorant of any of that and they never have to deal with that and that sort of propels you to have these other experiences where youre struggling with the moral compass. Can you talk to me about your perceptions of how this is used against a weapon and how you perceive that. Guest this is where it becomes very personal because i walked away from five years in the marine corps with a lot of sexual shame, the thought something was entirely conscious of growing up with. I love how you described the predicament that women in the record are in. I was so, scrutiny was so intense. Men were doing a number of things, married or single, they were free to explore the limits of their manhood and sexuality, whatever that meant to them. For me, i had one or experimented in any way it was not just the marine corps that shamed me, i personally shame myself, i felt so guilty and so there was a double standard in terms of that self analysis selfhatred as well. And i struggled to figure out what was the right thing to do in the situation and i was a Single Person and there was a time in my life wheres trying to figure out who i was. I identified as bisexual but very much in the closet in the marine corps which certainly at the time was a homophobic institution. Host right at the tale and, you had to be closeted. Guest you really did. I remember the junior officers, i was the other way when there is marines in my own unit gay or bisexual, because it did not matter, i did not want to force them, thats not how i operated, it was an absurd policy and a lack of good order and discipline. I wanted to encourage everyone to be welcome. When it came to my own personal relationships it was very risky and when i was with a woman, it came to the attention of higher up, my career was at risk. And i threw that back in my Commanding Officers face by alluding to his very likely adultery in the adultery of the men i had observed in thailand cheating on their families. Is you are going to bring me down, then you really need to acknowledge how other people it certainly is not harming anyone by sleeping with another woman. On that note, we talk a lot about the earth so few of us and we talk about how women greens tend not to be in together because the system is not set up to allow it. As you are going through all these experiences and youre feeling all these conflicting emotions and experiencing because of the honor, courage and commitment and what youre seeing wire to play, did you feel like you are alone and as a woman you were sort of the only person having these feelings and experiences . I did feel alone, i had a couple of close friends, just because the way they were raised culturally and how they grew up, i had a friend who is korean american and gay and very much in the closet. Anna had a friend who is jewish and also minority in the record there was a Common Thread in terms of experiences as marginalized people in the marines and i think we were very quiet about what made us different. The thing about being a woman or woman of color in the marines, you cannot hide or raise your skin color, you cannot erase your gender. It will always be the first thing that most marines see about you. And use a source of harm or reason to pick on you. But i was alone in a place like east asia, i read on the fact that there was world around me and that my parents and my family was actually very much like the world around me, there were millions and millions of people in this place that were not marines. That they believed in the values that i knew were how i felt about the world. And so i never rely on the marine culture to take care of me. I had to think about what may be different and to lift me up whether it was ethnicity, gender, Sexual Orientation or the things that may be different. In the things in my darkest hours were the things of why i was special why i matter and how i can help other people. Host i love hearing that, what you do, you reference you are in a place that was so hard to navigate alone but at the same time youre in that place because you always maintain close contact with your humanity. And you always have it but these for the people around you and their experiences even though they are marginalized by the service you are part of. I think that is really interesting and struck me throughout reading your memoir. When you went to the one woman infantry training arena, one of your experiences how it becomes normal to denigrate women and female physiology, that stuck out to me and i want to highlight really quickly and get your thoughts. My infantry learning curve on and gender was steep and i was rapidly taking mental notes. During one briefing among officers in the school my captain diagnosed the problem of several Young Marines not performing up to the core standards as vaginosis. It was another level of slaughter as a darkest foul and one could be furthest from the tribe of roman was itchy mess of infection of a she human. Talk to me about the experience and tell me what it was like. It is about isolation, you join the service to be a part of something bigger than yourself and you joined to be part of a tribe and yet throughout your career you are on the margin observing how other people think its normal to denigrate women. Tell me about that and how you got through that. That passage is really interesting for me because the officer was talking about vaginosis is really denigrating women by speaking in women who are very junior to him, it was degrading on so many levels, he was a person i would call a very good guy in the end. And would like to point that out because sometimes we think its only the real success, really bad dudes and predators engaging in that language when in fact it is literally the air you breathe, soup you drink. That kind of language and behavior, is solid in every un t particularly in every amber tree but not always. It was really how people talked in home and talked, women women took part in these activities mostly as observers but were they willing participants . Thats where t it gets complicated. They went to strip clubs with guys. Its kind hard to imagine why a woman would do that in the pressure to conform and not stick out, and not be seen as weak requires that you in some way participate in misogyny. And that was something that i found, so common to women to process this. And something we dont talk about because there is shame in this. And we possibly regret feelings of guilt and not knowing to what extent we participate in harm and harming one another. This is personal stuff that might eat away at us. But its important to think about and also heal. I think it causes in normas risks and how we see one another in ourselves. Or even selfhatred as subtle as it might be. You talk about shame in your book and if i had an electronic hockey i would do a word search of how many times it appears. I admire the fact that you dove in to these types of feelings so much because it is so much easier for people to leave the service, particularly women and one of the things this day even after the scandal of photos of female marines and family members and little to no clothing are centered around and even after the scandal there was not a whole lot were out of the marine corps ready to come forward and much less female marines in the service. I think the fact that you have been willing to step back into this internal soulsearching to figure out how your actions might it contributed to the culture is noteworthy. Its way easier and more common for a lot of senior females to get out of the marines and thinking i will maintain the way i have an project that the marine corps was amazing. It lets down the women who are in subordinate junior to us. I have to applaud you to that. Carl young wrote she is a soul eating emotion. And i absolutely think that is true. But i wanted to get your thought and if you think about your veteran experience tell me what it was about to move from active duty to deal with the troubles in dell challenges to getting out and wanting to be part of the veteran community and still dealing with the same culture. Guest first of all i wanted to respond to your observations on chain. I think it was important for me to do the hard work exploring of what i done all those years. I did not write this the day i got out, because there was so much shame and rage. And im not able to understand why i felt those things. I dont think i could put words to those feelings at the time. They were so strong and overwhelming. But when i was writing a decade later about these feelings, is really important to come clean in a sense, not that i needed to confess to anybody else, i needed to confess to myself. This is the experience that i had and i knew on some level that this experience was not an entirely unique one. They are serving a very common life experience. So if i can begin to talk about some of the most private things that it happened to me that i had engaged in that i was still waiting the shame of that for so many years, it occurred very recently, even in the last six month or so that i dont need to carry the shame anywhere. Its not my shame to carry. Shame is mostly in the did by others in power. So i needed to work on that, it took me ten or 15 years since my first day in the marines. Too finally let the weight go. And to say that out loud and i hope other women who have served or other women in institutions which there one of the few can really hear that, if they are feeling those experiences. Is liberating to acknowledge you are part of the problem and i want to be part of the solution, is liberating but hard work as you mention. Tell me about how your relationship with your family have changed one of the passages that i was touched by, your moms admission that she had been married when she was younger and she found a way to escape the arranged marriage which was really bound up by traditional views on sex in the culture. But i know your relationship with your parents have been a struggle, tell me how that has changed because your experiences here. Guest somebody pointed that out recently to me. I start the book with my mother and i and with my mother in a way. She is such a huge source in my life but in many ways i dont think i wouldve done the work that i did when i got out of the marines if it werent for my mother. I conjured up when i had my most crippling moments in the marine and i had to soul search so deeply at the school of infantrn he was sexually harassing the women in my unit and it was such an awful experience in a new that holding them accountable was going to be like career suicide for me. Because the commands protected him and swept the allegations under the rug. Its one of the moments i do reflect on what real honor, courage can looks like. Even if it means sacrificing a career or not being a marine. Not getting awards for my work, not getting any recognition except knowing ive done the right thing in the situation. So i sat my sgt down and she was my moral compass. That help them face legal opportunity and i would told there was a restraining order. And she said maam youre the only one you can do something about this. It was a little bit like looking at her little sister and it was not even a question in my mind at that point. The investigation of the lieutenant and the threats came and nightmares i still have. And i would not have done it any differently. It is really scary doing the right thing when youre engaging with powerful people and not wanting to do the right thing. Thats when i conjured up my mother, she would not, she did not raise me too put up with the bs. My mother had been through so many trials herself a generation and a half ago were women are up against even more battles, its a traditional society. She was in a very abusive marriage and didnt have the language to describe what was happening to her or the support. Into flood and escaped, she was lucky to be able to do that. And to cross the elaine tick all over again in the United States where she met my dad. She is the first survivor that i met with a bottle against women. It was really and meant a lot to write this memoir in part to explain how proud i am of her for what she did because i still dont think she fully realizes what a role model she is for women and girls. Host i watched her carry around a lot of shame growing up and i did not understand the pain or understand why she was in pain. Host you write about the fact that there was not a language that your mom could use to talk about those things but im curious because does your mom recognizing you the courage and the strength that she demonstrated or did she not see it because shes not willing to see it and herself . Have you ever explored that with her . Guest a little bit. She is more silent than i am about a lot of this. I think that i read about taking on some of the weight and letting myself carry some of what she could or can carry no. I do have the language and its a gift of also coming to this country for her and giving me the education and surrounding me as best she could was a part of people so i could do what i wanted to do with my life and that i can use words like harassment, disconnection, assault, rape, these were words that were not encouraged in her culture. They were barely encouraged in American Society but still, there is a noticeable difference in how we address discrimination in the state and is one of the reasons and its one of the reasons im as passionate as i am about trying to change. Host she is very proud of this work. Again its hard for her to name these things that are happening i came out about some of the things that happen me on the marines but in childhood. We had never had the experience of sharing because it was not part of our culture. I did not tell them somebody assaulted me on the subway when i was a teenager. I did not tell her about these things because i did not know or have the language when i was on young. But i needed to tell her and my dad before the book came out. So they have been remarkably open and supportive, i dont think its been easy, they have shed a lot of tears over the amounts that ive been through process but, i like to say the Indian Culture is a stubborn culture like most, my parents ue much more concerned about the titles i would earn or the schools i would go to or the outward manifestation of success. But not so anymore. Now they are proud of what i read because they are seen how i want to help people. It is really lovely, im proud of them for that. Im glad to hear that, i know it can be really challenging to go through these experiences and not have a reliable support network to be able to talk to, i know your parents are very proud and not communicative of that the way that you would want them to be at times that i know they are. One of the things i admire most about you, that came through in reading your memoir, you are a questioner. You are one of those rare people who does not fall subject to blindness. You dont look the other way when you see something not right and you have questions and coming from the ring core culture, and rewards people or encourages people to have questions about dramatic issues like discrimination, harassment et cetera. I read a very interesting article and it talks about how organizations tend to stifle destructive consent are more likely to experience a big abuses of power and i think you can see them playing out in the marine corps in particular. So im curious, how did your experiences when dealing with gender and sexuality in the marine corps, how did that inform your Servicewomen Action Network efforts. Can you talk about that . Guest i think my tap and activism is not unique in a lot of ways. I think in part it was fueled by an outreach that these experiences i had were not unique, they were very common and when i discovered when i left the memes across the branches and errors, different backgrounds, it was a very common experience, all women talk to an experienced some form of discrimination and most experienced harassment. And that confirmation that we had extreme something that needed to be addressed in the acknowledged and changed to fueled the desire to take the issues to capitol hill and demand reform and it was an interesting time, this is about ten years ago when trotta burke started the me too activism but it would not be known until hollywood picked it up of couple years ago. But women had served in iraq and afghanistan in great numbers of the point in 2009 and 2010. And thousands upon thousands and yet were not being acknowledged for their Service Overseas or for, service. So i feel like there was a shift in American Society, you sought to the media in casual conversations with people coming across the country that we were at war very clearly and very dangerous parts of the world, young men and women were volunteering for service for whatever reason regardless of your politics, most americans got a sense that we should support the young people and women were quite possibly bear the burden by volunteering for combat service and exposing themselves to very possible harassment or assault. And so, they took that wave of activism and interest by the American People and supporting women in uniform and we spoke unapologetically and very fiercely until he paid attention. And taking military leaders mba leaders to court and demanding more from the policy changed and it was part of the strategy that you were not going to wait for the next generation to be heard or denied access to see if they are qualified. We were were going to change now. Host what was it like to take on the big beast of the department of defense with the topic that no one in the department of defense wanted to acknowledge was there . Guest it was surreal i suppose, survivors have been coming out of the woodwork and stepping forward and testify before committees on the hill for decades. I remember being a teenager, a young adult, that was my first consciousness of Sexual Assault in the military. It was not new information that we were bringing to military leadership or the media. But it was enough is enough, come on. So with social media, media, litigation, all tools and could possibly use, we were relentless. What was it like going up against top military . Guest it is very odd to connect very powerful men like that and sometimes they dont have a clue, they did not have a clue what was going on in the institution. They had completely checked out and these are brilliant war fighters and men who have been responsible for commanding and protecting troops on the battlefield for decades. Host let me ask you, focus on the one thing for just a Second Period that is a really important point. We talked earlier about how it is really difficult for people to acknowledge how they contribute to a systemic denigration of people. And what you just alluded to is the fact that these men, mostly men, mostly white men, have maintained a willful blindness to this issue for forever but in having to come up with a solution to fix the problem, that would require them to look within to see how they had been so blind as to not wanting to see what was happening or contributed to the problem. That is an interesting point i make just because we still have not fixed the problem of harassment, retaliation and assault in the military. Guest i dont know if you share this experience but i feel like officers in the military have been kind of implicated with the idea that the failure in our own units are our leadership failures and its an encouragement to take responsibility for whatever happens in one unit except when it comes to issues like harassment and assault, ive had exact opposite happening. And unlike how is it can one be trained since ocs, tbs, all these leadership trainings environments, how can to use internal willful blindness, how can you check out on these lifeanddeath issues like harassment and assault and it requires all answer by saying, one person i was moved by was the general, gary patton who has a career that one can find fault with him at various points just like one can do with anybody. When he took over the office which is the pentagon Sexual Assault unit basically, he at that point had came out of the closet in a sense about his own posttraumatic stress. At the end of the day pain is paid and what contributing to Sexual Assault loan assault and harassment even though not a complete parallel but still a leader is able to do emotional work to acknowledge whatever he had been through in his life but he will get closer by acknowledging hes managing a person who experiences that. That is Emotional Intelligence and that is something we teach leaders in the military now hindsight recognizing what i was missing i recognize there was no way for me to develop true carrying relationships with my subordinates because they saw me as a person i do know how to describe it. I was always strong prickle i could never be human i couldnt have problems they could not relate to me prickle i do think that is spot on. If you had a magic wand and you could change anything about your experience with women in the military what would it be . Its already happening. If that had been possible i never would have left i would have found a reason to stay but that systemic legal denial of women Job Opportunities contributed to the climate of harassment in the marines when i was there and it is still there but i am so thrilled to be on these places and yesterday i was at a base and that his daughter is doing an assignment that was offlimits to me. This is great. We need so many more women in the marines and the branches for the culture to change. Host i cannot thank you enough to talk about your book prickle i have to tell you what i am your one of your biggest fans and supporters i appreciate what you are doing and thank you for being vulnerable and caring to write this so women could follow in your footsteps dont have to follow the same. Thank you for everything you have done for women in the military. Absolutely so an interesting book about donald trump primarily before he was president and then a bluecollar billionaire. And then to pull back the curtain that you just left the Trump Organization but you were there working for him while writing the book. Right i started at the end of 2006 and literally just resigned this past friday on ju