Survived on the streets for a long time and i said what do you have on trump because i know that he covered them for the New York Post and had a lot off great resources in the new york state gop. He told me about the run in 2014, and ive lived back and forth between new york and la. I didnt realize how serious he took that and almost how serious that was. I handed him a copy of this oral history, which i am a fan of that format, and it turns out that he had a great resources. He brought his political sources in iraand ive got a lot of meda sources and in the end we produced a book that has 114 on the recor record and on now on s sources telling the story of how trump was deliberate and methodical in his political strategy, but this wasnt something that he just decided a few days before the famous escalator ride into this wasnt a joke. He wasnt trying to get a tv channel at the end, and that surprised look he might have had on Election Night was a surprise that he actually won, not surprise that now im really president. Hes wanted to be president for a long time. Hes talked about it and thought about it since an interview he did it come with the entertainment reporter. He talked about how, and i will stop talking eventually and we will talk to these great panelists but he talked about how he would want to be president and he would be honored to do it, but he wasnt sure how the guideline with his liabilities and unusual views might win the office and you can see if you read our book i do not think you can come away with any conclusion that he was serious about it and that he figured it out. We will get into all of those permutations of that. One of the things that it its nonpartisan as a strategist and what he had to do to get elected or to even run a viable campai campaign. I dont just mean the Mental Health spectrum although partly, the political spectrum. We have everybody from Gloria Allred to steve bannon, Tucker Carlson to tell sharpton. Everybody all over the place. Im going to ask everybody, we already heard little introductions, but what i really want to know, lets read a quote from the book to show do sort of what the format is like and how entertaining it is as a read, and this is where it all lends up and i would like to go through and ask everybody to tell me what role you played over the last 15 years. The context i think i southaven it could have been five times, eight times we were talking on the sit downs. Long sitdown. I get requests for books and it got to the point on the last one i am sitting across from him and i said, i will read this to you that i basically said this is it. Im not talking ever again about this book. I dont want to hear about it. I dont care about it. Its your project, not mine. Then of course i gave him some documents and he called a couple days later saying the usb that i gave him didnt work. The last quote is mine and anyway, im done with these expletive interviews. This is the last time i talk about them. This is it. Its going to say i work for donald trump. Now you have to understand my personal feelings its water under the bridge is because i think it on National Tv Im not going to read the review. I love that day. You know me, i love that they. They know im not a lowlevel part time consultant. [applause] who are you and how do you figure into the story of donald trump and his family . Its after he introduced us to the editor for starters. I was the editor in chief to the new York Observer from 2011 to 2012 or 18 months which hilariously ate me the second longest running editor and now i am a democratic strategy consultant partly because trump got elected. Before that i was journalist for 17 years, so also this thing that will be in my tombstone is that when i was 24 hour editor. I am part of the 200 some people that helped turn trump from a tabloid sort of back page secondary character to the National Mind through the apprentice elevated to seem like this is genius and all these people who have serious credentials sucking up to him all the time on tv. So i think that folks from all over the country, i ran for congress in ohio and people would come up to me all the time id hes a genius isnt he. This is cincinnati all the way to portsmouth so you are talking two hours outside of cincinnati and just the level that people have for him and thinking that he is a just the most successful businessmen in america. America. A lot of that traces back to the apprentice. My name is jessica and as i said im a political consultant and when however the part that i was somewhat involved and most consequential potentially into the governors race in 2014, working and also interested in running a cat and mouse game that ended up with trump not running for governor. But im sure we will talk about that was a very influential moment in his political career. What is your version . Lets ask some questions. One of the things i did this botched some seasons of the apprentice that were not just season one, which is the most famous season of the top ratings. There is a scene in the book that wasnt actually on camera that you and i talked about where there was a dinner with Wolfgang Puck and he discussed running for president at that time. This is 2006. One of the things about being around him its like hes constantly talking about random stuff. He could be talking about running for president or governor or something and the next minute telling us he flew to vegas for Sylvester StallonesBirthday Party or something. Then he starts talking about a helicopter and what they are going to have. Its one of many topics he talked about in its ironic within the news now about refugees or the progressive congressmen talked about they should go back to where they are really drawn to fix those countries without saying that but wolfgang wanted to talk to us about being an immigrant pitch now is kind of ironic i guess. You took it as something that came out of his mouth and i think another thing the people in the media over the years have assumed the same thing its another thought that passed through his mind. A few days later we went to the playboy mansion and this is the guy that says to hugh hefner and his playmates all over, which of these women are yours and which one is mine. They are talking about the contestants that are in the job interview. So someone that is constantly looking at the women, staring at their breasts, things like that. You dont think that he is going to run for president , do you. Like i didnt. Who could possibly do that stuff and when. How do you take it when you hear people say hes just associating his add. What is your answer to that . I think he does, but on the other hand i had to compete with his other intern from his other job so im competing with him being interviewed by billy bush and then there was politics into something roger stone told me if things were a lot different once he became more famous and he wasnt just concentrating on his business and he was concentrating on his celebrity, and i think that is where he lost focus on the details although he said he saw a difference there. What year were you you didnt do anything for him other than politics. What year did you come in to his orbit . I met him when i was young. This is a funny story very quickly, his father used to use a real estate firm, prominent real estate firm. The firm went belly up and my father were at that firm if you read the art of the deal and how hes talking to jerry when they brought me during the new york Gubernatorial Race because i was working in opposition of what we were calling the ground zero mosque and i think that was his first into the rightwing politics. He made an offer to buy the mosque and he got a lot of National Press and that is also planning started receiving the clipping emails which hes famous for and he still does in the white house by the way. You have a meeting with him and then he gets a clipping and you get an email. I used to get them from his secretary and it would Say Something he circles what he wants and says great. He would sometimes sit there at his desk in trump tower all day sending messages to people. Thats why he doesnt directly used email. That is the equivalent. You were editing the observer and i think theres Something Interesting in the book where you say to jared, can you tell me the story . He started, people forget donald trump technically ran for president every cycle since the 90s. He just didnt have any traction or credibility. Running again it didnt seem remarkable because we had seen him do it before. He would do it for a few months and then drop out and build his brand, then he would begin. This stuff had been out there for a while when i got him the job. After he dropped out of thi this was 2011. Right. We got into one of several fights about the coverage where we had to put a disclaimer on anything because as a part of the owner of the paper they would seek technically trump owns part of the paper and there was no way to cover him other than to just acknowledge that and say this is what we think anyway. So, he didnt have enough traction that he was in the news every day to say that he was in the last cycle. But reporters would do things with aggregation pieces, here are the top five political stories of the day and invariably everything about trump was negative because he couldnt stop punching himself in the face publicly. So my politics staff with aggregate a story about donald trump doing something bad, and jared would call and yell at me and say this is an editorial twist and we just had it in for him. So we had a recurring fight about this. We had a sitdown about it and he said i think your issue is you dont really understand him. If you spent time with him, he would change her mind. I said first of all, even if it were true, it wouldnt change the coverage because that is until journalism works. Second, i dont think that would be true. There are many things hes done that i find appalling if you set like what. The birth or stuff, it is horribly racist and awful. He looked at me, rolled his eyes and said she doesnt believe that he just says its because he thinks the republicans are stupid. That is kind of a test to jared because they are are a bunch of possibilities there that say the piece telling me the truth and this is what donald trump believes, it still makes him a racist and it makes jerry at a racist for thinking that this is okay and its kind of ludicrous that he thought it was exculpatory. Very interesting story. And we just reached out of ive known him a little bit and he didnt want to give any comment for the buck. Our book was only taking people on the record so this is the story as it stands and hes welcome to dispute it. So, when news comes to you and start, can you tell us a little bit about how does this idea of trump running for a governor in 2014 come around . It wasnt his idea. There were activists in the buffalo area that wanted someone conservative who could pay for their own campaign to run against andrew who had 20 Million Campaign treasury so the list of conservatives who can find themselves in new york and who were charismatic arguably is very, very small. So they were placed republicans that got together. Donald trump came to them very early and they decided to start writing about this. Lets say donald trump should be the republican candidate for governor, and of course like anything that gets his attention he wasnt the only person who wanted to run for governor. There was the Westchester County also running and he wouldnt go away. So what happened is . He just won reelection to the executive in 2013 by big margins despite it being a democratic county, got a majority of the hispanic vote, spoke spanish, was very much seen as a rising star in the Republican Party, someone that could appeal to democrats and independents. Now almost 30 million at the time that matched his degree with someone that had a good connection and could raise money and had a story to tell and had done some National Things as well that caused hi this profilo rise over the years. The party at the time i think was divided and it still is a little bit in the sense that the previous candidate or nominee fe for governor was like this going around the state very conservative may be more extreme than. They were not conservative enough and they were making too many deals. The feedback with th was a gun l bill people stayed were upset about so that was kind of the whole groundwork that caused these couple of guys that really were not influential in new york politics, they were kind of backbencher assemblymen who were very new, definitely not seen as power brokers in politics, so they hatched this plan but they already started laying the groundwork and the way the process works is that you have to get the support of the county chair to get on the ballot and there is a convention. When this stuff started surfacing that was the feeling that he was floating around again, and rob have a relationship with indicted ggolgolfof together occasional. So there was a relationship there and you know, we were getting a lot of feedback at the time that no one else viewed this seriously. Im going to give a call to get together and see if we can hash this out. We went to trump tower to meet with him if there was a very gracious meeting. It was very nice. They got along very well. It was the take away that he wanted to run for president unequivocally. He said there are these guys pushing him to run for governor and in order to run for president you need to have that steppingstone of the Electoral Office and then being the editor of the state would be the best way to do it. So goin going and it was to cals bluff a little bit and is he really serious about this and stroke his ego a little bit to get him to talk about being president sends to the governor. So they talked at some point about im going to trump is running for governor, you be my lieutenant and in a year i will be out of here. Im going to run for president and isnt that the greatest thing ever. So yes, that is the conversation they had. The people recording this probably didnt realize what they were dealing with with the subway noise so that is what the noise is the genuine new york city subway sounds. Dick morris was supposed to be here but he got stuck on a train. If trump is such a fascist, why are they running on time. What you were completely opposed to this idea, why and how did this come to you next we took this initial meeting as a courtesy from michael who worked for filipino and we had bill o. J. Who and this guy is very evangelical, religious, the type of election thats absolutely ridiculous and i had to load the room up and i got some other people in there including an assemblywoman to run for mayor now and they did what was best to tell them this is going to be in the race to tell them that winning the presidency would be a cakewalk and andrew could be ten which i thought all of it was untrue. After the meeting i remember going up stairs and sitting in the office and he said this is the best thing hes ever heard. He wanted to parlay that into running for the mayor which jessica can attest to. Hhes talking about michael cohn who is now wanting to be the mayor and we heard he might have been interested in being lieutenant governor. There were rumors about that. The bottom line was he went from 2011 is technically still number one in the polls that he was pulling him quickly from the white houswhite house the whitee Correspondents Dinner where obama i exacerbated in. He went from saying hell do i get out of this thing gaining how do i get out of running for president , not realizing the backlash he was going to get from the tea party when he announced that in 2011 he felt rodney was going to win. Including the fact barack obama had no chance of winning the reelection. A lot of people dont remember this in the primary, i dont think romney would have gotten the nomination if they hadnt helped him beat Rick Santorum of all people in michigan and wisconsin. The point is, but im getting to is at that point he said i went for governor, i win or lose, i get this out of the way system. He thought it would be an easy race. The irony, running for governor in new york was going to be more expensive for them than running for her president. He gave himself a 70 milliondollar loan at the end of the last week. He would have had to spend 100 or 120 and he would have lost me 20point. One of the reasons you say that it would have been less expensive if he was a master at the free media. Also just the way the primary states were. Its amazing. People dont realize how cheap it is to run for president. Its cheaper than running statewide races. The democratic primary would s say. To talk about how i worked in a lot of publications one of them was the New York Post. I knew him and had interviewed him back in the 90s and he was a master of placing items, confrontational items, blasting people and my contention, one of the things we talk about in the book, we interview a lot of people t that work at the pagess that mastery of page six and the daily news and newsday were great trading for twitter. It was supposed to be funny journalism so my editor called me one day and said to try for the apprentice so i did and i got fired immediately. There was some trivia based on what subsequently happened. My entire job is to trick to make it funny in some way. People that live in new york though this and are credulous about it, but hes not particularly good at it in the sense that hes playing three d. Chess which is the way people covered in. Its that he understands how to get a reaction. Somebody gave an explanation that i think is correct. The one thing you have to understand about him is that thihisfather was very abusive ad would say things to try to get his father off his back. He would try anything that would work and anything that didnt work he doubled down on. If you think about it in that way, it explains both the inconsistency in what he says and why like with todays news when he says some racist and gets highly amplified response, he doubles down on it. He gets reaction youve just doubled down on it. This was one of the things. I worked for him diligently for four years i dont think he would have run for president or had a campaign. And i tell you this is somebody that doesnt giv get a penny ofe white house area i dont think that he would have run. When they handed him the primary they decided they would be the nominee. You have been calling in the office and then you see people saying something he did and this is three d. Chess you just dont understand it. Youre not smart enough. There were instances but they are rare as time goes by. By. If you want to talk about it, yes we could. I dont know when this is going to show that he told the Congress Women to go back to where they came from and of course they were born in america. My feeling is that this he read the column in the morning, and the week before if he just put it out there to get involved and he went to go play golf and didnt think about it. So ironically as it plays out today, he may have fallen into something that could end up helping him politically. Its just the way politics work in the states because we are sitting here in new york city and brooklyn. We are not talking about the counties of wisconsin that he has to win or pennsylvania or michigan. A lot of that is something he frequently said which is it seems most people get lucky to see people time and time again is extremely lucky in general. What is the method to the mat this you say that he wouldnt have won if it wasnt for you . Its absolutely crazy working for donald trump who nobody in the republican circles liked or respected or thought that he could actually win the primary. Number two, trying to recruit people. We dont remember this but we dont do these anymore in our cycle. It used to be a big story about this person was hired by this campaign. Its really irrelevant now. But the idea that he was going to sit there and just do regular media, it was hard to get him to hire and bring people in and of them at the same time because of what happened in 2011 where nobody was going to take them seriously heading into 2015, 2016, especially the republican primary, and you have a lot of other candidates at that time he was trying to get the same boat. It is goini was going to be difo keep in wanting to run and spend money and give him a budget where you have to spend about three to 5 million before you go down the escalator and its going from 5,000 a month, 10,000 a month. Its hard to explain it to him. I would give credit to somebody that worked there because trump paid him more money and he was willing to push trump to do a lot of events during the exploratory phase one of the things needed to manipulate the process running for governor i would call others around us for supporting rob and told them hee isnt going to run one of the things we had to do with him is make sure if you talk to somebody that is an apprentice id started where he thought if he was number one i was told by midaugust he was going to do a princess. He lost millions and millions of dollars because of his president ial announcement, but the irony is that helped make him a stronger candidate in the republican primary as a political marker and there was a way to play bad and he fell into something and continued to help. Thats where i tell you guess there iyesthere is a method to s that it was also the events themselves. James comey got pretty lucky with that before the general election. Should we do questions from the audience soon . It comes back, five minutes later. Even though we are this far apart, we are still good friends and very happy with how the came out. You are a very colorful character and people enjoy hearing about you. Its interesting to hear you talk and we are grateful to hear and be able to tell the story in the book. The interesting thing about the book is the one of insight. The determination he was going to do it no matter what. It turns out he just tested the waters year after year it will not run if i think i can win. He had a chance of winning a there was a lot of drama starting to build and anger towards the state republican chairman talked about in the book and there were sides being taken. They said roger told me not to do this and that was kind of a signal knowing he was kind of the closest adviser. Maybe if he thought he was serious about running he might have had a different posture towards challenging him and calling his bluff a little bit, but maybe kind of knowing that back story and hearing that through back channels that gave him the confidence to the. Sams plan worked because we did not declare and we should point out after he got shellacked he got the cities still. He also ended up losing the next race for Westchester County. He did. So, after the campaign he had to run for the reelection. Then there was the president ial campaign and in 2017 he had to run for reelection that he was supportive of trump throughout the campaign and that was used against him. Because westchester is more a liberal part of the state. I want to ask to more and then well open it up. When we get interviewed we tried to discuss the strategy if people bring up the horrible pictures of people dying at the borders and all these other things people are genuinely afraid of him and what hes doing. Do you feel a sense of responsibility coming up and asking the charges against him. I will take me out of the equation a little bit because i have some extra feelings, but i think looking back on it it was a very surreal to see what for me i focus a lot on the New York Post picks rather than the national, like i do a little bit national this kind of the book of my work said to have these events impact offensively. It has a Historical Impact every decision you make it so that was kind of weird looking back on it to say sitting in a meeting with the three of us did we really think the world would end up this way. She decided to stand his ground and say this is what i bring to the table. Suites perfect a great story telling of the apprentice brought trump as you discussed into most of america that didnt know him as well as beating new york date. Do you feel guilty or something because i know you dont support him now about being part of a show that probably is the key thing that got him that helped him become president. I think as it was happening that is what compelled me to write the book. The apprenticeship in politics, and that is before this was about a year before he won in november. Shes so needy that he channels that hole in his heart into getting buyin from anyone he can. You have the most extreme part of the electorate so i do feel some sense of responsibility when i was 24 it was insane. Im not thrilled and i dont know if anyone should feel surprised at what we got so thats somewhat of a bomb at a small role but i played in building him up to middle america. There hasnt been much of a surprise with everything that we got. They were doing fundraisers for eric snyderman. I dont know, and ive never read anything positive before the observer or after, so i fail to see how i could have been more critical. There is no broad media. When it influences and most people would agree that its entertainment s this is 99 of fox. I dont think you can make the generalization. You have the battles of conscience and by the way, im not saying that you should. On the referendum of washington it would have been much easier had i worked for mitt romney again i saw him walking at the seatac he gives a speech and i felt the way people felt when they saw barack obama speaking in 2004. Now i understand he didnt have any supporters in this room, but i find all of washington, all politicians disgusting. I think that it was a referendum on them and now in terms of him not being prepared for the presidency. It would be great to win you can never gebut youcan never get hit what it would be like to be president. But he was sure enjoys winning. I think hes gotten better as time goes on, yes and no. President ial politics is about 3,000 appointments and generals thats what they are at the end of the day. You are not really going to see the big type of change until 2024. With some questions. One more lightning round and then is trump going to win in 2020, yes or no . Spinnake object with each other, subjectively, who knows because he could screw anything up. Every incumbent gets reelected but i feel like hes doing everything he can to shoot himself in the foot he he im the opposite. I think objectively, no. That have to do with hillarys campaign and again i think it has to do with hillary herself and the amount of people devoted democratic and then didnt vote for hillary for president. President. If you look in michigan and wisconsin, that isnt going to happen again. I do think that he will likely win. He has done a good job of defining the democrats as being for socialism, and i thin thinkt ultimately prevailed. Not much that he can do to screw it up. Only ask the question with a microphone to your face. This is being broadcast and we need to hear your voice. [inaudible] hold on. We are going to get another microphone ready. Who is the democrats going to be . What if anything has he wanted to achieve . Is there a policy outcome that matters to him . Sam could probably answer that best. I would say veterans have always been a concern of his. Trade, trade deficits which he looks at differently than we have in general, and i think american hegemony and nationalism, something that was frequently said to me is his own selfishness but agree that he looks of things is why are we helping other people around the world when we have all these people that dont work. So i do think that he was concerned about the direction of the country and whether that is the direction others view it as a concern that yes, he certainly did. I would add also i think the stock market gains have been validating for him as well. One of the things we did in reporting the bug is and you may not even know the history of all of these going back to 2000, there were, you know, he did have political stances some of which we still see now and some of which ar were different. He was talking about north korea as a Nuclear Threat back in the 20s are zero. He also believes in the wealth tax and singlepayer system. This is a general question. Aside from his bizarre behavior, does he genuinely wants what is best for every american in this country, and for sam and jessica . He genuinely cares about his supporters i would say. Does he care abou the people tht vote for him . He doesnt appreciate them as much as the forgotten man or woman but thats about the direction of the country for him once again he genuinely does love people and he loved the interaction. He needs to be liked and engaged with and if hes getting that, that is a drug for him almost, so i think that he does genuinely care. I never got the sense from him thabut he didnt. I think that he values the relationships and i think that he values seeing problems and wanting to be the person them and offered the solution to that. I always got the sense that it was, definitely. During the Election Campaign when you look at the front page of the New York Times use of the articles and he had less experience than anybody else. Is there a particular factor associated with the . Do you get tired of the circus where it works the first time it may not work the second time . We have some resistance. We were trying to sell the book about a year and a half ago and many people at that time assumed trump wouldnt still be president in a year and a half. He didnt really want to win, he just wanted a tv network or he would resign or be impeached by the time. This show has been going on since the late 1970s. He holds our attention if he is really good at media. Look at us here. We are trying to figure out what has happened. He is the most famous person whos ever lived. More famous than the beatles were. Theres nowhere on earth a that his face is not. I would disagree with that. That doesnt surprise me. There are certain things out of the way the words are setup that are not structurally equipped to deal with trump. The average news room at a paper, i run newsrooms, there is a structure of covering the campaign were devoting resources to the two candidates in on the whole of the candidates tend to move towards the center and tend to have a similar number of scandals per day, and here there is a total asymmetry. He was making news three times a day and hillary had one scandal. When you have reporters doing nothing but covering hillary and the only stories emails even if ten stories and then chasing 60 different threats and unfortunately, that structure ends up coming to the readers that these emails are really important. This hasnt happened before. We havent had the president ial cycle where that was the case. So this is a structural problem. I dont think reporters set out to say its in the interest of fairness we are going to do with an a million stories on emails. When you have somebody like this that is producing news have an astonishing clip. Its sort of mutates the news cycle in a way the media wasnt prepared for. I will push back on that little bit because i think one of the things that he did really successfully was he broke every rule. He did a pres did press confered answer questions. When hillary was in hiding, i mean they were literally behind ropes when they were campaigni campaigning. There was this orthodoxy that you have to be very controlled in the press, and he broke all that if people were responding to it like he i hes a little bt different. He will get up there and it was refreshing and different. When the other candidates were doing it he was given direct access to people when they were retreating and doing everything in a very controlled subscribing to conventional wisdom kind of way. So i think that cost a lot more attention. I think the lack of control affected the way that he was able to get the media into the system. When people look at the digital operation in the president ial race and think i spent a lot more money more effective on facebook and they pointed out the strategy, i think of it as a function of the campaign being so disorganized. As far as the obligations in texas that were allowed to do pretty much whatever they want because there was no topdown control message and i agree with you that is the model normally on the republican side and on the democratic side. And when you have a Chaotic Campaign that justifies whatever they want, when they want and there is no topdown control its true you end up with more media because he is more provocative. Than the people watching say that it is a little bit differ. I want to see more, so it was a slippery slope in that way. One thing we seem to forget, hforgetthat he lost the popular vote. He wanted have one but for the Candidates Party voting that you had since 1996 and that is when we did a oneonon the oneonog to be tougher to win reelection. I agree with you on the blue wallet will be tough, so. When we get to the exasperation with him, a lot of it is going to be decided in the suburbs particularly with women and i think that he could get 100 of what he got less time and he had really good response time. He really was the First Political hire that is the but e reaction people would have when i think it was 2012 when we met in a survey work for donald trump, what do you do for him, im a political. Going back to a few weeks befo before, i dont know if cory was there yet. Did you anticipate that he would be able to generate the sort of medisort ofmedia but he ended ue to produce to kickstart the campaign to the finish line . He did, i didnt. He was right and i was 100 wrong. I didnt know what he thought. When he was talking about the amount of media that he would do and generating i felt assured to make sure that what is going to happen come november to december when everybody starts putting their fire on you. When it comes to the lack of imagination by the republican intelligentsia consultants running against, you have a quote in this book anybody that works for trump is a scoundrel or this or that. He was saying that there was a lot around the trump. What i have seen from 2008 and 2012 the people that were generally considered the smartest in your field were losers. Had they targeted trump in november 2015 they wouldn woule last ones standing than he would have been the nominee. He could have lost the republican primary. People a sense tha always asa week seemed to be on every Television Channel and you seem to be affected by some substance or another you seem very sober now and very smart and like everybody would be on the republican side to hire you the fbi was willing to meet with me and i get a lawyer and they delay the meeting. They give me the subpoena on a day. I dont do anything the entire weekend, i look at it on in the morning and id like what is this, how am i supposed to produce 25, 10,000 documents i thought it was going to be by the close of business today. Let me get everything i can get out of this. When you work for other candidates, i didnt necessariln to working for donald trump wanted to say i came up with this or that. It was because of the way that he fired the. We put up this thing that i dont need to be lectured. I always hear about Rush Limbaugh and sean hannity like never apologized. Thats what i dont kno if i dos going to work. My thing is ive been in this field for a while. Thats why i say that its water under the bridge. I hope this is a special day for you as well. We do have a few more minutes. They are going to have a half an hour while the door is still open to sign some books. Lets keep going. Im fascinated. Often accused of being a racist [inaudible] p. Went out of his way to learn my name, say it the right way and all of that from my time he wrote a letter after i got fir fired. The stuff hes doing is very clearly racist to me and i think there cannot be any question about that in my mind, but what ithat whatis happening if he isy iraqi rises that there is a large percentage of the audience that they hear these comments ive heard all my life not so much recently as ive become more and more successful but where are you really from. People almost triggered by hearing this language and its not just back from sunday. Its this litany of stuff and theres a lot of justifications you talk about the 3,000 federal hires and judgeships in the Supreme Court and theres all these thing. Theres also a lot of stuff hes doing thats reall really destre to the social fabric and what it means to be an american and i talked to my aunt they came over in 62 because he ended up working on a space shuttle. They were super active then and didnt go out at night except when two of their kids were born. They couldn could be seated res and i am doing a project and in the course of interviewing her last month she told me she hadnt thought about so many of those except when trump ran for office and started coming back. Whatever it is all the way back to go back to where you are really from this stuff resonates with you and its just really distracted so do i think he has racism in his heart, maybe, do i think that he should know bett better, absolutely. If you say and do racist things, you are probably racist and i would maintain this behavior predates his campaign or the presidency and if you know anything about him in new york the way that this company treated to central park by events, theres no way that you can reach any other conclusions of this is the way they sort of kept turning around the fact and this is another example of how the media is unprepare on prepar somebody like trump. We have an account from a producer who says that when the decision was being made about who to hire, basically africanamerican and a white guy, trump was asked by the producers before the cameras started with the audio was rolling. Was america by dan n. Word winning and that was on the record names were sent pretty much the people at mgm for work with mark burnett wanted to listen to the tape, there it is. It wouldnt matter if such a tape came out. Werent you trying to appeal to those that made that sentiment . We were not trying to. If you look at who voted for him and i say this i in the book isa little dirty secret kept saying we are appealing to the conservatives perfected the batteries self identified conservatives and moderates waiting to vote in the republican primary all had the same percentage. We cannot call it amnesty and if people didnt understand about the under layer that has been going on from around 2006 when we stopped the deal that he tried to do it the same way you can look at Elizabeth Warren takes an issue that isnt the number one issue. Those are the two issues. She has jumped up and we look at immigration if it was the number one issue that can presen is pre crowded field, we were going to get them, they were going to be ours. I looked at it from a Strategic Point of view and if you listen to the conservative radio and the drudge report, you would follow it over the years immigration was an issue that the Republican Party was divisive about inciting internally. What role do you play in the law . He talked about offensive as early as 2012. Remember when i worked for donald trump he wasnt reading off a helicopter. He used to make fun of obama it was one of his favorite wines to say. What i had to do is i could to help come up with a method for him to remember to say sort of things we do try to do to get the pulse sequence that we wanted to talk about. We would interlace them with his own bio that he was going to discuss in the rallies so i suggested that because the other candidates were talking about the golf course on long island was wearing he said, on. He was talking to the union guys. Nobody builds like trump. Weve got to get this moving so he said nobody builds like trump. It was just a suggestion. I have plenty i will tell you that much. But it was something i suggested. By the way, this is sams version. Basically it was also picked up an book devils bargain and there are people he may have heard it first this is one of the things about oral history you can hear different voices who stole things from different perspectives. We are going to do one more question. We talk about trump as a referendum. Im curious to hear what the panel thinks about where the Republican Party especially goes in the posttrump era of the fittest 2021 or 2025. They were working for him if that were around him. Hes never said anything like that and he comes from a mentality of an archie bunker so i think that he is woke and he believes in political correctness. I do think that hes fundamentally remaking the American Party and he seen iterations of it over the years in terms of republicans trying to subtract the working class voter she did it pretty masterfully. The party always gets branded on her the de facto leader whoever is in charge. So, i do think that longterm you are going to see the party tried to carry that out. Im sure a lot of people in this room do that. While there will always be the insiders establishment elite of the party, you will see more and more candidates try to stay connected with those voters. Do you have any thoughts about this . Dwain Barack Johnson i think is your next. You can laugh but when he gets inaugurated we will be having tshirts that say president rock. Im not kidding. [laughter] laughter and then, i just want to say thanks to powerhouse for having us. Method to the mat as the ascent as told by those that are hired, fired and inaugurated, im one of the authors that airing short, thank you. Elizabeth byers, for years ive gotten that wrong. The old seriously disagree about who is a racist and who isnt. I still feel like we could all go out and have a beer ma may b. So thank you all so much for coming. [applause] everyone knows we have books for sale upstairs. I hope that you will stay and sign his book. Reagan is an intellectual. Hes comfortable with ideas. He understands the power of ideas and with that kind of foundation, a political leader can do all kinds of marvelous things. [inaudible conversations]