American studies from columbia university. Got some miami roots. He deters a correspondent for nbc news and anchor for msnbc. Recipient of the 2017 Walter Cronkite award for excellence in journalism. She was called disgraceful and not nice by then candidate donald trump. [applause] she reported nonand took flak from the most tax evading their volatile president ial candidate in American History including here in miamior had a memorable News Conference then you read her book and later at a rally six days before the election last year where he called her up i named and some of the crowd turned against her. Her book, unbelievable unbelievable mr. Darkly comic, fascinatingly bizarre and often scary story of how america sent a former reality show host to the white house. It tells the story of what it was like to be there as it happened inside a no rules world where we workers were spat on, demeaned and discredited. Please welcome Tony Dokoupil and katy tur. [applause] hello, hello. It is true. I am mr. Katy tur. And if anyone didnt get the joke that is a reference to the factor has to the fact were husbandandwife in addition to the colleagues in the world of journalism. [applause] thank you. I wanted a softball interview. And it is of recent vintage. Only three weeks old. [applause] i will hope to avoid which means there are no marital issues to work out on stage here. Two new. Ii was hoping to get a sensor in the audience at how many people here have heard he read the book and how many of you not. How many have read the book . We have a lot of on the fence. I think thats helpful because we can start with things that go to the beginning of this story because the donald trump trajectory of in the katy tur trajectory are entwined in a very fascinating way and in thew very same way he is a political neophyte who made unexpected progress in his primary campaign and became president , keady here was not a political reporter walid this began. Could you tell the nice people what it was you were doing . I reserve judgment on whether or not to buy the book. So, i was a Foreign Correspondent for nbc news living in london and in they just came back to new york for a couple days to remind my bosses that i exist because they tend to forget you when youre overseas unless theres a major just happening and it happened to be a slow period. I showed up in the newsroom and i am standing around just chatting with one of my colleagues and donald trump was making headlines. He had Just Announced that he was running for president and in doing so said mexico was sending races into the country. So they dumped the donald trump friend. Univision said we are not going to air any longer err your pageant any longer and this was the limiting and they needed someone to coverer it. But theyre not going to poke fun at their political reporters on it because why would you put a politicalul reporter and donad trump. Its going to be done in a few days. They said who is around to do this and someone yelled out katie. Shes just standing around. Which i was. I ended up covering one story and then two and then three and by the third or fourth day i got told that the president of nbc news wanted to assign me to campaign full time and i freaked out. I thought a myriad of things. One, i was living overseas and i was not living in new york. Two, i have a vacation in a silly than a week and a french boyfriend who im supposed to go on that way. Sorry, tony. They dont take me seriously if they are going to put on the donald Trump Campaign. They must think i am a joke as well. But i called a friend of mine who covered that run in 2012 and he had been urging me to do a Political Campaign at least once because he said it was unlike anything else you will do. It is grueling but it is fascinating. I called him and he urged me to do it after he stopped laughing because it was donald trump. I said yes and i was assured by my boss, one of my bosses that it will be six weeks tops. And then he said and if he goes to the white house coming will be White House Correspondent tiered he starts laughing, steps into the elevator door is shut. It was cinematic in its moment. You know what is an important conversation that takes place in an elevator in the elevator door shuts. It was not a come to my office assignment. In the beginning, trump is havingng gatherings that would later become the g spectacular rallies that Cable Networks would carry in their entirety, but they were much, much smaller. You are a think the very first one in new hampshire. Could you talk a little bit about that in contrast to what most of us have seen later than most of the interesting way trumpingst you seem to be a dynamic from the very beginning. At first i went to was one of the first donald trump rallies. This was around the backyard pool in new hampshire. A couple hundred people. At this time nobody was taking the candidacy seriously. They thought he was trying to get some attention and it was confusing because companies were dropping him. Why was he trying to get this negative attention. The assumption was he wouldnt last two of the debates and if he did he would get laughed off stage and you probably wouldnt want to release his financials since he is so notoriously secretive about his money. Ive backyard pool where theres only a couple hundred p people, that most of us people wondering what in the world donald trump was doing. He was onstage, rambling. He had no coherent thread for why he was campaigning except for i want to build a wall and mexico is the sending races and the media didnt caveat me. I get more Standing Ovations than anybody. Katy tur, youre not paying attention. I simply was not talking to me because id never met him, never shared the same era sin. There is no reason in my mind and my producer gave a hard match because the entire room gave me Carte Blanche as his donald trump. I am tweeting what you are saying, which i was doing, which he approved of because they said i was doing a good job and then he moved on. That became the dynamic tree in the of us then that was per se him calling us out while he was onstage, either for work that he approved a far more often than not work that he disapproved of. What he think he took a errticular interest from you from the beginning . [laughter] ill let you have your assumption and then ill add this. Donald trump wants to be taken seriously and i was the very First Network correspondent assigned to cover his campaign full time. And that is an honor when youre a president ial candidate. It means that a tv news network, a broadcast network on the something with the legacy of n c news has decided to assign a reporter fulltime for you. That means they are taking you seriously. He must have seen me as someone very early on that he wanted to chime in to submission. Someone he could rely on for favorable coverage. Remember, and he has a longstanding relationship with nbc because we are the apprentice. And then there are large swaths of time before any other correspondents were planning to cover in full a time. I would go to the city in the country where i would reveal the wreck passable face in the room for donald trump. Others have come up to local reporters and he didnt know who they were. We were engaging oneonone quite a bit and he came to pay much more attention to my reporting then he probably would have had i started the campaign in december or january when there were more correspondents. So in the beginning, you stayed in the u. S. And u. K. Thats an italian vacation, a french boyfriend, a beautiful apartment in london, a job as a Foreign Correspondent, which holds a great deal of cachet, is exciting, a lot of Airline Miles to follow donald trump, a person at that time virtually everybody in the political world can consider to be a joke. Why would you give up what appeared to be so little. I am still struggling to figure that out. And you know. Every few weeks i look at you when i was that we really need to move back to london. Its true. I loved that job. It was a dream job with me for me. Being a Foreign Correspondent for legacy news network is an extremely coveted job. Even to travel the world you get to meet people you would never get to me and you get do about someone else pays for it. Its perfect. Did you see something that made you think this is going to be worth it . Initially it was a six week assignment. I figure there is nothing to lose. As they continued, he became i guess more captivating, fascinating. This is a roller coaster and i wasnt about to get off the ride. Nobody understood what he was trying to achieve roi so many people were so excited by him and people still trying to figure this out to the day and i got to see them try to understand it myself. I wasnt going to say no to that. Been overseas and theres a line in the book when i was very happy overseas, it is a quote from another person saying why be happy when you can be great. That is what i was thinking in that moment. I have an opportunity to doh something great, to make a mark, to see history unfold before my eyes. That is what a lot of usha get n the business to do, to watch history in the making. Donald trump, love him or hate him, was offending every norm. He was defying political gravity. He was picking people off and he was exciting and so many others. Everybody thought he was going to plummet after a certain point, after iowa, after the fall. All these lines are missing these lines are missing in the political prognosticators would say after that point it is a cliff for him. You,n i can attest to this because i worked for nbc and msnbc while she was covering for trump. We met in the makeup room. We did meet in the makeup room. You are a lone voice of skepticism against the political opinion that he was going to burn out and crash. Why were you so confident as a political neophyte on those calls to Say Something is happening here. I wasnt confident. I started out with a bit of a pipsqueak voice. Over you seen the mages think . K . There was enthusiasm and devotion in a way that the other political candidates were not receiving. I mean, he went after john mccain. Can you remember a time when an american politician, anyone in the public eye for the win after a veteran or prisoner of war, american war hero and were able to not only get away with it to see popularity rise was unheard of in american politics. You dont go after a bedridden. You just do not do it. Especially within the Republican Party. Li you just dont do it. Donald trump did it and he got disinvited from a bunch of republican events. His numbers went up in a few months later when he went to mobile, alabama, 20,000 people showed up for him in mobile, alabama. He said it was 40,000. Hes lying. Last night it was 20,000. Is a pointless number. Pointless number. It was less about the numbers he it could be 100,000 people and he was a 190,000 people. He almost doubles that. It goesho to show you there was some thing about donald trump, even if it was terribly insensitive, it didnt matter. People liked it. I would get on the calls and people who had been doing politics forever, who are well made, who i respect very much to this day and you wouldve seen it all happened before, who know how things go, that this is silly season. People are paying attention anytime you rose to run, football will be back on tv, homeland will be back on tv. They wont want to watch the donald trump rally. People will be with their families. By january they will get serious politics. Donald trump could never win. But these crowds that show up to the events were still huge and so excited to see him. Lets talk about that. Anybody in the roomba into a donald trump rally . One person in the back. Two, three come to fewer than 2 of the audience up into a rally. For the sake of 90 of the people, what is it likes to be in the middle of a donald trump rally in the middle caged in the theater journalists . First off, one of the time when you watch a rally in television, something he will say will sound very offensive and youll presume the room is not with him. This isum where he crossed the line. The cameras are picking up the audio in the room but they are just focused on him and you cant tell whatt is happening ad how people are responding. There were multiple instances where he would Say Something like there was a crying baby, played get the baby out of fear. He was clearly joking, but on tv it didnt ring that way for somebody to did something and its not how it read. He never lost any room that he was then except for one time. He never lost any room he was then, even when he was saying truly wild stuff. Calling ben carson a serial liar and making some sort of comparison to a child molester in the process of making fun of him for the stabbing and it was this unbelievable in the moment even for the reporters who were like what in gods name. I caught myself is donald trump doing. I remember calling the today show is slated nice thing youve got. People dont care. There were people saying im deciding between donald trump and ben carson. People cant evangelicals in iowa looked at to ben carson because hes the leader of the evangelical community and donald trump is eviscerating him and calling him names and a liar and were like well, you know, he has got a point. He just defied all of the ads. My point is these rooms were always with him and it wasnt just the trump rallies. It is people i would meet in diners, gas stations, airports, cab drivers. Cab drivers became a bellwether for how well it donald trump was doing and i can tell you cab drivers in new york city, washington d. C. , miami, cab drivers in all over this state. Im banking blinking on the specific ones. North carolina, they generally come in nine times out of 10 were donald trump supporters. All walks of life. For those of you who dont know, katies book is a memoir. It is not enough for two tally complete tori of the inside workings of the Trump Campaign or the whole election. It is her perspective on all of it and what it was like to be her for 510 days on the Trump Campaign. Because it is a memoir, i would like to hear you talk a bit about how you thought about covering donald trump and how you y dealt with the criticism just cant put on you and your colleagues and whether any of the criticism of the needed the Trump Campaign currently pursues and still pursues is fair. I think you watch my tv show too much because he just asked me seven questions in one. Now come i reject the criticism. We are now cable news show. Asked the first question. Do you think you covered donald trump fairly and accurately i think i cover a donald trump fairly and accurately. I think i was tough on donald trump day in and day out, which is part of the reason he kept calling me on stage. I think you deserve tough coverage. Anyone who runs for president deserves about as tough of coverage as you can them because they are running to lead this country. [applause] and you want to be as thorough as you possibly can be both on the republican side and the democratic side, independent side, doesnt matter. That person needs to be fully, fully vetted by the press, even if it makes you uncomfortable because it sure chosen candidate. I think i did it fairly. And it was difficult because he would say things that were demonstrably untrue over and over again and then there were times where he got treated unfairly in a certain rally for a certain perception wouldve to go on tv and say he was joking or not a typo is happening in the room because it didnt read correctly on tv or online. The criticism that the media in general for the really covert donald trump. I do think we need to look back at 2016 to figure out how to do 2020 and make sure we do it as well as we possibly can. I do think that involves not just coverage of the candidate and not just a good listing of their opinion, a good wash and rinse of their opinions and policies and behavior, but also covering voters a little bit more. We couldve done a better job talking to people everyday. Putting them on television every single day in talking about the issues they cared about in their community because all politics are local in each community was voting based on what they wanted to change in their community and that is why so many unlikely voters were donald trump came out on november 8 in places you expected a democrat to win. Places where obama won praise. Ended up voting for donald trump because of economic issues. They decided willfully to ignore all of the outrageous things he said and did because they were looking for the hope and change they were promised a previous eight years. They didnt see it happening in their communities. They didnt see their quality of life improved and there is this feeling like donald trump, despite all of his many issues might be the person who can person who couldnt or wouldnt shake the system. There was a gamble for a lot of people and we need to win 2020 ask those people if they think their gamble paid off. I covered trump rallies on the outside, covering the voters going in and there was a time when the outside of the rallies were so violent that riot police were routinely a part of the control, where fights would break out, ugly, ugly things were yelled at on the inside it seemed even worse. How safe do you feel in the middle of those crowd when donald trump himself was pointing in his scene in your direction by name. You compartmentalize. You covered one rally i think on the end died while i was hiding in miami for a day. You compartmentalize. He tried not to let it get to you. People would come out scream obscenities at us day in and day out. Good call us names, call us liars, any sort of behavior you can imagine. That happenedio towards the pre. There were times where we were all more guarded more than the campaign then they would be a little more unmanaged because you cant help it, but there are times where people felt like he was on the line. Was a rally in new orleans were protesters stopped the rally in the crowd got really ugly if someone was tripped or pushed or something but it seemed like a whole crowd was a about to tumble into the press pack, which is justice bicycle racks gated off area in the middle of the rally. Th there was one moment. There were a number of moments, but the one that comes to mind in the book 2015 in South Carolina, not president , South Carolina and the belly of the world war ii battleship. To give you an idea what was happening at the time come a few weeks earlier San Bernardino had happened this terrorist attacks in San Bernardino in response to president obama gave a speech on terrorism to the country. The following day, the following monday donald trump is not dominating the headlines because were talking about president obama and terrorism. They say without any sort of warning, any sort ofno had up, make an announcement through press release that he wants to ban all muslims from coming into the country. We had interviewed people waiting to get into this rally is a good or bad idea. People present this is just a bridge too far. This is going to save him. They couldnt do in this entire religion of people from coming into the country. Its antiamerican. I dont want to interrupt the story, but they do want have you mentioned where you were and what its like when major news on the president ial level happens in your day go sideways. Were in South Carolina so you can imagine im enjoying a really good lunch. They were few and far between. So we were just coming back from lunch at a great place in South Carolina, some delicious fried food. We went back to the hotel. Donald trump in bed before nbc news. If you get the book you understand what that means. We ran into another one of our colleagues who was on his computer and email for the campaign popped up at his computer 30 seconds before it came t to our phone in his face just turns white and his jaw drops cartoonish and he starts laughing in a comfortable way you up when you can believe something in front of your eyes. Allie and i look down and inside what in the world are you looking at . Hes like literature found. We start furiously refreshing our email. Donald jay trump announced in advance one all muslims. No sooner did i have the phone in my hand in his msnbc saying youve got to go live. She describes the phone is a shop caller. If any of you describe the campaign you know we were on tv constantly every single hour on the hour this is one of those blessed of those plus the data had a threehour break where i could eat lunch. My phone rings and they said youve got to get on tv and walk us through this. I mike i dont know anything about it. I just got in on my phone. I havent had a chance to call the campaign. Ive got a call my sources. But that doesnt matter in the world of 24 new seven 20 of news coverage. They need you to explain it. I call in and i found this old tape. Kate snow on my top 10, 15 minutes trying to figure out what this statement means and how it might affect the campaign or how voters might respond to it or the Republican Party for Democratic Party might respondes to it. Just coincidentally, msnbc had come out with a poll that day the shows Republican Voters that thing that they feared the most was being a bit about a terrorist attack. So there was that in the hon how that would sway the opinions where have donald trump and before this. So we rushed to do these interviews with supporters outside and then going id do it for donald trump to arrive you people are angry, scared. As i mentioned, San Bernardino just happening. Donald trump had been staying in was saying with this announcement the Obama Administration werent vetting people who are coming in to the country and that further terrorist attacks are happening. Most funds building bombs in their living room. Theyre muslim neighbors are towing the authority about it, hiding them in the media is complicit because the media isnt reporting onon it. They are not reporting on the failures of the Obama Administration. So the room was scared. Then we couldnt find anybody who thought this was a bad idea. But mostly got was ive got a think about on the other end of this but durham bull would be even better is if we deport all muslims. At the time of donald trump is making this amount may come his also cannot deny twitter feared with you and another reporter. Is upset about tweet i sent out a few days so for a rally in raleigh. To say that 10 times fast. A rally in raleigh. There were five points about the book. Theres some funny moments. For h a bunch of protesters got organized and they kept interrupting a speech over and over again at five to 10 minute intervals, not for he abruptly stopped talking and left the stage to shake hands with people and i said this on twitter and he was serious about it. They sent an email saying mr. Trump thought your tweets were disgraceful. Not nice. Fast, hope. After that email you followed up a going online on his twitter feed and tweeting up and tweeting out that im a liar that i should be fired in a series of five tweet. So my twitter feed is full of people calling me a liar and saying i am disgusting and making fun of me and my family and also death threat. And it jumps from the Digital World to the realn world and the belly of that battleship. Were in the belly of thehe battleship. We are jumping around supper following. As donald trump get on stage to make this muslim been announcement. The atmosphere is tense. It is a tinderbox. You try to match and in the whole place would catch on fire. I dont want to see a scary room, but the kind of reward is best to keep a low profile. I am sitting on the platform where the cameras are. The cameras areking all above. I am keeping my head down. I didnt want to be visible. I didnt want to be as visible as i normally am standing up to the camera. Donald trump takes the stage and starts at the poll numbers as he always does. Before he gets to the muslim then he starts talking about the media and he is saying what a lie it was in the room knew what he was talking about. What a lie it was from katy tur. She is back there, littlee tree into and he is pointing. Speeches live on every cable channel. Because its the muslim band. Everyone is trying to figure out whats going on. Thousands of people turn out of people turned out one thin star billy mack me, screaming in person, saying the things online but save them to my face. It was nerveracking. My phone again starts going off like crazy. Not just people on twitter, but my colleagues and my bosses and my mom saying what in the world is happening because she is watching it on television. Are you safe, are you okay . She is concerned. But i turned my phone off and put it over here because ive got a job to do. How do you keep doing my job when that kind of attention theyve gone after me so many times i learned at this point in order to defuse the situation, you smile and wave. So i did that. I smiled and waved at this angry crowd and eventuallyy they turnd around. For you personally angry at donald trump himself . At thehe moment you let it go because you have a job to do on that night. You let it go. Thats what they kept doing. Im not part of the story. Let it go. I knew that would make you part of the story. I was frustrated by it. I didnt want to be part of the story. I did not want Chris Matthews asked me about it two seconds later, which he did very although it is true the stories in the book are not stories that were told live on msnbc. He saved all of them. Before we go to questions from the audience and speaking of doing your job, i love the fact you were one of the first people in america to know about the access Hollywood Tape, grabbed them by the bp. Its a fascinating chapter in your story. I love the journalistic process of having to get comment from the Trump Campaign. When youre a journalist to find something out and go to the person who is relevant to what you found out. You say what you think about this . It is a slightly more direct book club. Yes this is about the campaign which many of you followed up. What you get from it is the behind the scenes look to see what its like to be a correspondent on the campaign trail, with the campaign was that the hemispheres, how they treat reporters, what are the things they said that may have been appropriate or not and in these weird history making moments, what is that like to have to put Something Like that on television. And this was odd because this is the tape with language that you cant put on tv that a president ial candidate tracking, seems, about being able to assault women. You do it because you are a star. And so, i see that tape. I exclaim loudly and the executive office where i am being shown. The donald trump just so you can grab them by the buddha said the word of the moment. My boss looked at me and he said yes he did. We need to campaign to comment on it and well put it on tv right after we get the comment. But at the, write a script. And so, the email is code pink said jason millay in the email word for word as in the book and it is Something Like mr. Trump said that you can grab them by the and he also talks about a married woman and word for word the things he said. Do you have a comment . [laughter] they did not respond. But then i have to figure out how to put all of these things into pg13 format for daytime cable news tv. I could grab them by the p. Were advances, which is totally not fair to advances. Looking back at it now, if something is going to break the campaign, this is going to break a campaign. Kellyanne conway canceled her tv appearances, which at the time was totally unheard of. But yeah, it is interesting to look back on it now, especially considering what is happening in the campaign of the president is weighing in on our frank and in talking about the tape and completely ignoring that he had his own. Anyway, questions . Extremadura microphones in the center and we can cease and desist with my questions and get to yours. Since we dont have a lotue f time, keep in the, not statements. [applause] first question is how would you rate the job that the gentleman who interviewed you had done. It could have been tougher to beho honest. The second question is many of Donald Trumps most of Donald Trumps policy adversely affect the people who voted for him. Do you think that those people may be by the next election will come to the realization that they voted for someone that is doing this . I dont know. You are right some of the policies he has spoken about or inactive duty regulations for the rollback of regulations could potentially affect them in any given way when it comes to epa standards. The gutting of obamacare will affect a lot of people. This tax plan could potentially raise the taxes that the lower class and middle class down the line. That might not happen until the next election cycle for those rollback in case they dont have theld full bill voted on you cod change. It depends on job creation. Do they have jobs . Is the job better than the job they had before . Do they want to continue giving him four more years for another chance. To push things through . I dont know. Depends. I wanted to thank you for being here. I admired your coverage and if you keep at it. I wanted to ask, how in the world do you put up with these comments from the other side when you offer them to try to get a balance and you know it is nonsense. How can the networks do any better in the future . I actually reject the premise. Already. Heres the thing about reporters. Wewe are not out to convince anybody how to vote. It is not our job to convince trump voters not to vote for trying. Its not to get democrats to vote for democrats. Its our job to give you all t e information that is out there, to fact check where we need to fact check and contextualize and give you everything you need to make the decision that you want to make. So my plea to all of you, thank you for asking this, because i can give my plea, is to, do your best to police your facebook feed, your twitter feeds, whatever social media you use and to be very critical when you look at certain articles. Make sure that youre getting Accurate Information and you arent just reading the things that you want to hear, and that you do take a moment to hear the other side as well. Have conversations withti peopl. Maybe they didnt votebe the sae way you did. I think it is better to understandot everyone to come ta place where we can talk again, accept a shared set of facts again. So we canr make better decisions or good decision notice future. If you dont disagree with something in your news feed, youre doing it wrong. Watching the news should be experience off dissonance. It shouldnt be comfortable. Thank you. [applause] sometimes i watch the daily press meetings with sarah and im wondering, i want to get up and like strangle her. [laughter] so i would like to know how you guys dont get up and strangle her . First of all we would get arrested, a good reason. One of the reasons of the white house it has always been, that podium has always been a place where a press secretary will try to spin the news in their favor. That is just the way things are done. This is i think taking it to a absurd degree. There are times where [applause] questions arent answered, or theyre just, either she says i will get back to you, she never gets back to you, or she, just makes it about the democrats even though youre asking about donald trump or republicans or she is denying things that he has said. So yeah, it is extraordinarily, extraordinarily frustrating. Ii wonder how valuable those briefings are personally. Thank you. Were in the same boat then. What . Were in the same boat. I think every time somebody spins, it is not great for anybody. Iel believe the nospin zon is available as a slogan. [laughter] hi. Im a journalist, and i read your book when it first came out. You mentioned that you never had a background in political journalism, but was a weather girl. And that kind of helped you cover donald trump better because you didnt have that background in punditry. How do you feel about that, you know, whole, sort of affected the coverage of donald trump and why people suspected his victory. I worked for the weather channel. I chased tornadoes. I was never actually allowed to do the weather because i dont understand the meteorology. Im not a meteorologist. I covered news with the weather. Before that i was local News Reporter for a long time. The way things have always been done and he cant possibly survive this because soandso didnt survive this i thought it was really beneficial. I think that, that is partially what h happened during 2016, and some of my most revered colleagues who are political people, who do live in d. C. , have admitted as such, saying part of the reason we didnt see donald trump coming is because we just believed all of our hype. Everything we had seen come before in washington. How important ito is to get out there and be on the road and not just rely on polls, actually talk to people and, see something smell something, feel something, be inside of those rallies and gets a sense of the momentum and the movement. So, that is also part of the reason why i didnt go to d. C. Myself. There were a few things. He was one of them. One ofer the other ones i just,i think it is better to talk about it from the outside and to try and maintain the fresh eyes i had in 2016. Thank you. Thank you. Also congratulations on your wedding . Thank you. [applause] hello. Im mash marcia. It is a pleasure to see you. Ive watched you since you started. You developed into a wonderful News Reporter. Thank you very much. Go back to sunday, november 6th. Okay. That morning on all the news stations everyone was reporting that it was hillarys to lose. She killary, that is interesting. It was hillarys to lose and the percentages of her winning were across the board 60, 70, 80, all the way up to one abc reporter said, 98 . What happened . Not in you watched nbc. What happened. What happened . She wrote a book called, what happened. Doesnt tell enough. Polls were wrong. They werent totally wrong. They just were wrong enough to lose or not lose the election but miscalled the election. I believe it was november 6th, might have been the day before that james comey cameey out said the investigation, thein second investigation into her emails was done. Thats true. I was talking to a senior clintonid aide who said that thy felt that that was the worst thing that could have happened because it brought the emails, not the reopening which they didnt like either but then the closing because instead of bringing closure to that, it brought it back up again. And it made people remember it. And as if there was, access Hollywood Tape was really bad, really really, really, really bad for trump. The only thing got him out of the whole after 50 former, current republicans lawmakers were saying drop out, or i wont vote for you, was reopening of emails. What that did, im not saying that was the nail in the coffin for clinton, but what that did was it enabled moderate republicans, republicans on the fence, or republicans who did not want to vote for donald trump, say imm voting r himan because i cant vote for somebody who might be under federal investigation. [laughter]. Which is ironic. But we didnt know at the time Donald Trumpas was under investigation because the fbi didnt inform anybody. And there is questions what the double standard for there. So the polls were wrong just enough and i think that, you know, there is a bunch of failings. The Clinton Campaign didnt go to michigan when they probably should have gone to michigan. They didnt make sure the blue wall would stand. The comey investigation didnt help. What was going on with russia, we still dont know. I think were a bit away figuring out exactly what happened on november 8th and why, why donald trump ultimately won. You cant discount the enthusiasm he had. People just loved him. The ones that did. Unbelievable. Thank you. Thank you. Unfortunately all good things must come to an end. Im so sorry this information is absolutely very engaging and very inspiring. Thank you all for coming. Thank you, katy, for doing this. Please buy the book. Please buy the book. Sorry about that. Thank you very much. [applause] thank you. I have to say its a real honor for me to make these introductions. Rudabeh