Joining us now is the former senator and offer his book neighbors and arm arms in amerin senators quest for disarmament in a nuclear subcontinent. First what is the amendment you discuss in your book lacks it prohibited aid to the military relations with pakistan nuclearveloped a weapon. It was enforced by president george h. W. Bush and pakistan paused but then bill clinton came in and lifted the amendment because there was a series that we worked on as partners and i believed it wouldnthey believee in the continent today. If the United States had been a main proliferator of the weapons and then pakistan schooled them to north korea with approval so we had been a major proliferator of the Nuclear Weapons before we get into this octopus that you g referred to where did you get into this issue that developed . Of the Senate ForeignRelations Committee i got enmeshed in this issue in the 1970s i was first interested in the u. S u. S. House i served 2 years in congress and so this was a great interest at this time Nuclear Nonproliferation because brazil was in the process of developing Nuclear Weapons but it was debated every year foror about 12 years to perform the basis for the debate on asia and still is to some extent but it was largely lifted by bill clinton and i talked to al gore and said it sounds like youre Nuclear Nonproliferation guy iguys the first things you s left the amendment so they can now have nuclear amendments and the only answer i got was we dont know why fdr for letting them have the ball. India wasnt going to develop a bomb unless pakistan got one. And they gave the technology to india. To pakistan. In your view should they be declared a terrorist state lacks i say that in my book they should be declared a state. They harbor terrorists and need all the qualifications. The weapons are controlled by four different sets of generals. Ththe president of the United States cannot launch a weapon without 15 other people and they are all in touch with the usual suspects, the pro tem of the senate and house and so forth there are people going and buying for five bombs bringing them to my home state of south dakota storing them and sending them off to different cities and different times said is a is a t situation that we are in. Pakistan is much more dangerous thanat north korea. Why do you think they are allies for many years . W we have a militaryy industril space and that has formed all the arms contractors andnd law firms, all the people that are arms exports all over washington for example john glenn and i had ahave an amendment in the state department for participating in sending any arms to pakistan then they go over to the commerccommerce department indid sophisticated Licensing Agreement that is basically the sameme thing. So the Foreign Policy isnt really made in the traditional way anymore because the congressional hearings in the planning very first thing that thess new indian ambassador and pakistani ambassador has to do is hire five or 6 million a yea6 milliondollara year law fg firms and that is the proof of the matter in the tragedy. Most of it has behind it one or two or three others. I was talking to some of the students the other day, im a professor at the time and if they want to meet after the policy they want to join one of these lobbying firms and have more influence when they get into the United States senate and that is a very sad situation. Senator, do you think that india should be a Nuclear Power . One they wouldnt have developed the Nuclear Weapons if pakistan had not. They confirmed what is in my book and developed a Nuclear Weapon argentina would have gotten one and we would have had a Nuclear Device to south america. A if that didnt happen because of the amendment and the implications of it. They just didnt want to collide. They almost had a weapon both brazil and south africa have backed off. If brazil have gotten a Nuclear Weapon argentina would have cost him money and venezuela would have gotten one so, these things have kind of a sequential occurrence. Once that happened, then indiaev developed one. Between india and the United States is an arms Sale Agreement on our part in the assistance act for example the last trip to india was largely an arms sale. Theres nothing about helping the people of india or spreading better agriculture and getting rid of the pollution. They say that it was a nuclear thing to use but they didnt resolve the liability issue and Everybody Knows that it will never happen and such a india is buying buying a watch as they impoverished nation to send millions and billions of dollars eventually and nuclear from the United States neighbors and arms disarmament and a nuclear subcontinent. Before we let you go, what is your take on the current state of the u. S. Senate . They do everythinghi by one vote. Wewe voted all day on the tax bl we wait until everyone agrees and they should be voting on amendments all day, you should know your senators position and there should be amendments that they vote on. Everybody hasax to agree verbaly and so forth but they should vote on a regular order and then the final passage. If he vetoes it a try to override it. That is regular order and that is how it was when i was there but that isnt being done anymore so they have very few votes on the key issues so he would keep it there a until midnight. The public punishes the senators foreboding. Because of the Current Situation i dont know all the facts t abt this place but that was some ths ago and i dont know how much the analogies are not being inno the senate i dont have as much information. Let me say i like both senator franken and thought hes been our guest here in american senators quest for disarmament can you talk to us about what was hard about writing . It was a difficult book to write. I told her this book before it came out actually and i was thinking about what i wanted my next project to be. I thought the book i want to write least is a book about fatness and then i realize realt i should probably write the most and my dad tells me do something no one else is doing if you want to achieve success. A lot of people write about that from the perspective of already having figured out their body and having lost a lot of weight so you see a woman on the cover of the book standing with half of her formerly fat hands and i thought i cant write that book yet and i want to write that book, so why dont i tell the story of my body today without an apology, just an explanation like this is what its like to be in this world and in this body. Some have appeared on tv. You can watch them on the website. Now a discussion on president trump. [applause] they had to use them by the end of the semester. It didnt give them an extra one . They turned out in such big numbers to vote, dont take it personally. It has nothing to do with you is just the end of