Transcripts For CSPAN2 Texas Book Festival 20171105

Book tv is back live in austin for the second day of the texas book festival. Over the next three hours you will hear them discuss Sexual Assault on campuses. The first the professors Carol Anderson on racism in america. This is a book tv on cspan two. [indiscernible] welcome to the 26th annual texas book festival we appreciate you coming out in support of all of our authors and just in general great literature. A few housekeeping things. President and ceo in a gentle reminder for you to please silence your cell phone or turn them off. After our session here the authors will be signing books. And remember when you buy a book at the festival you support the author the festival in the local independent bookstore. Its mission is to support low income schools in texas. For your purchases they go very long way. And then you have the book drive going on its running a book drive to raise money to help rebuild the libraries affected by hurricane harvey. A donation of 15 and the foundation will match the foundation. In one book therefore equals three. By being here today your investment can go a very long way to find books and helping our other mission. I like to introduce our authors this morning i live and breathe education of the great equalizer and its really a humbling and honoring experience to spend time with two womens who have clearly demonstrated their lives. The station has that professor of history. Today, we have her own icon. Angela j davis. Angela is a scholar and a phenomenal woman in her own right. A professor of law at American University Washington College of law and an expert in criminal law. With a purse specific focus on racism in the criminal Justice System. Previously served as director of the Community Service program. She is the author of arbitrary justice the power of the american a prosecutor in attic after what we are highlighting today releasing the black man. She is a graduate of another historical black college. We had Carol Anderson professor and dr. With the africanamerican studies. The professor in the andersons research. Folks in Public Policy in the way that they intersect in the issues of race and inequality in the United States. The author of the book the United Nations and the africanamerican struggle for human rights. The struggle for colonial liberation. White rage. The unspoken truth of our nations divide. She is a twotime graduate of my all men are. Ohio state university. They are the recipients of two many awards and recognitions for their writing. They want to talk about their book. Most of mister anderson. Both of these books actually work mostly taxing for me. That kind the kind of like the visit to the national museum. Somewhat saddened. A little bit hopeful. And a stretch from your conference on. Professor anderson, white rage came out of an oped that was the most shared for the Washington Post into 2014. Thats a lot of sharing. Im going to quote you. Everyone was so focused on the flames that you missed the kindling. And those policies are designed to undermine and undercut and roll rollback the achievement of their citizen right. Each major advancement which is tracked in your book. Results in what youve coined white rage. The calculated policies. In keeping our nation safe. Can you share with us what motivated you to turn and opt ed into a novel and how you managed emotionally to the horrific details of the lynching and et cetera that they detailed. Thank you for being here and for loving books. I can tell cant tell you how wonderful this is. What prompted me was a sense of when i was looking at the pundits talk about it. Ferguson is burning up and they were talking about in the moment in the now as if ferguson had no history and black people in the United States have any history except that moment right then right there. And if we dont understand the history that we absolutely do not understand how we got here. So as a historian i set out to craft a piece that would help frame how we got here historically. That was the first piece. The second piece was we are in an era in discussions about race it has become so political accusatory so fabricated that it was essential for me to write a piece that was absolutely grounded in evidence and in fact. So that we could begin to have the kind of National Conversation we must have one that is rooted in actual history and not missed so that we really understand how we got here. That made it but what made it difficult is that a hard history. Because one of the things that became clear to me was that in each of the key moments of black advancement massive policies would emanate coming out of the Supreme Court and coming out of congress that would undermine and undercut that advancement. All you have to do is work hard to go to school and keep your nose clean. You two could have the American Dream. Generation after generation fighting for that American Dream and getting close to it and then watching the policies. To come through to absolutely undercut that. You described the black success as is the white mans bogeyman. You said that in writing. And you call it a quiet truth and until the truth was shattered with the obama permanency they have reared up in ways that we have not seen in decades. Has that truth shattered once again where aspiration not achievement provides protection for black people. I think its so clear that in multiple ways the Obama Presidency just shattered so many of the feelings and of the narratives that we head in america and there is that moment. In november 2008 so long ago. And there was a kind of euphoria you saw coursing through the land that we have finally crossed the racial rubicon. If you look underneath know we hadnt. Although obama received more of a of the higher vote and the passage of the civil rights passage they are actually citizens and therefore had rights since 1964 since 1964. And that includes barack obama. It is the back lash. Because of massive voter suppression. Like we saw in North Carolina where the fourth Fourth Circuit said they targeted africanamericans with nearly surgical precision. That is where we are right now. With the inequities in school funding. To include texas. It would be the edgewood neighborhood in san antonio and then the war on drugs. Can you just share a little bit about what you talk about in the book. We have them with the liberator speed. Deliberate speed. And massive resistance. Over my dead body. We are still fighting to implement ground by the time we get into the early 1970s. You have a neighborhood and edgewood district. They tacked it taxed at the highest level possible. What they were able to do was to generate 21 per student in terms of funding. As we know school are funded this is a way that Public Policy have a lot to do. The kinds of Public Policy has a lot to do with property value. It is a predominantly white neighborhood that was wealthy they did not tax themselves at the highest level. They managed to do is 707 per student. The parents and edgewood went all the way up to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court ruled that there was no right to education that did not mean it was going to be a disparity in education. It could only generate 21 per capita. But the Supreme Court ruled on that you did not need to have equitable funding. Equal protection under the law. I think this segues beautifully as the war on drugs. Gains of the civil rights movement. Weve got with the war on drugs. And when he launched the war on drugs there are in fact was declined the war on drugs went crazy. 46 percent of the towns population was arrested. Thirtyeight of the people were convicted. To 434 years. One of the ways that it works. It was punitive drug sentences. They cannot have done it because they were 300 miles away at a bank cashing a check. When he said the drugs are being purchased. They have video proof of that. And as all of it starts filling out. And then it turned out that there was absolutely no proof whatsoever there were no fingerprints on the back of drugs except for his. There was no wires worn. There was no cash in the homes of the people who have been locked up. There was nothing that spoke of the drug kingpin. And then he said i did had evidence every time i have a drug purchase i wrote it down on my leg. You cant make this stuff up. Over an 18 month investigation you wrote down each drug purchase and then just happen to wash it off when you showered. Houston we have a problem. But it was on the basis of his word that 50 of the adult male black population had been incarcerated. 50 of all adult black male they were treated as drug dealing scumbags. Here we see what the war on drugs did. The way it works when you have a felony conviction you are stripped with so many of your rights coming out of the Civil Rights Act include terms of housing and education. All africanamericans are unable to vote in florida coming in the wake before we move to angela my travels of a reading it i would carry it with me. I wanted to know what has been the reaction to the book as you travel around the nation. Some of the reaction has been vitriolic as you can imagine. I have someone tell me to put my crack pipe down. I have another say they have it right. We need to lock you negro criminals away from us. But on the other hand ive had 70 people write to me saying im a 70yearold white man. I knew something was wrong. I just did not know what it was. Inky. I have a man who said im i knew something was not quite right. Thank you. The other people who are really hungry to know how we make this nation better how do we create a truly just and Humane Society they are reading the book because now it is giving them the facts because it is evident. Angela, and then it comes the horrific phenomena. Just some of the names of the long list of an arm blacked men and boys. This is not a new narrative as is detailed in white rage. Your book has been described as relentlessly informing and disturbing. Can you toss what was your trigger to write the book and what inspired you. First of all think it to the texas book festival and thanks to all of you here. Im honored to be here. Thank you. That it would attempt to think about the many horrible killings i jumped at the opportunity. Really there is no issue that is more important me than the unfair treatment. At every step of the process. I was eager to take on that project so i reached out to the people in this country who i know are the thinkers, the writers and the authors who are out here writing and teaching about these issues and living the issues. What we attempt to do in this book is to talk about this issue in the broader sense. The killings of all these black men and boys that inspired the book. But then we begin to think about the issue in a broader sense about how they are treated at every step of the process all the way from arrest to sentencing. When i think trey von martin was killed in 2012. It is the important social Justice Movement. This is an important social Justice Movement that should be taken seriously by everyone. I will say that if you look at that. When you see some of that. You saw the sort of insurgents they did not start with tremont martin. Brought here as slaves. And they have persisted consistently. To the present day. We have a Law Enforcement officers who have taken the law and their own hands. They are not being held accountable in any meaningful way. Technology, social media. They now had allowed us to actually witness these killings with their own eyes. They sold 12yearold the same park. Not one of them today. Terrace crutcher. And from a helicopter. You have them with their hands up. Not one has been held accountable. How are black men treated in the criminal Justice System in general. They are essays about racial profiling. They tend to systematically prevent that. They have to educate the public. In keeping the essays in boyz ii men. It flushes out how they are policed at every step. There is another one. It creates suspicion. That chapter. The director of the clinic that they have. They are all of them that we had been thinking and writing about for years. That is black boys are actually policed. They lay it out so painfully with so much evidence. And also captain russell brown. They are focusing on them. Black boys are not allowed to be boys. Kids because they are kids they do stupid things. And we can see that in some cases. But when black boys play or do they nothing. They are examples so well. They can be doing nothing. Police officers see black and they see crime. There to put their hands on them and theyre gonna throw them on the ground and they are going to frisk them. Anyone who is treated like that. And you are doing nothing wrong what would be your response. You knew you were not doing anything wrong. The slightest way. Certainly now they are assaulting a police officer. This is true for men and boys. In the painful reality. The implicit bias is something that they talked about. I dont know how many of you heard that term. It was something that all of us suffer from. The subconscious views that we all had that were not even aware of that we get from the stereotypes that we are faced with. We are not even aware that we are responding. Many years ago Jesse Jackson got in a lot of trouble. What bias. But when could they start acting based on that. And prosecutors and other people are acting on it. Deadly consequences. Unfair consequences when you are treating people differently based on the color of their skin. And youre not even aware theyre doing it but you are creating the awful racist disparities. Im not saying all of it is there. Some people are directly racist. Unfortunately our courts do not provide a remedy for the implicit i asked. What do we do when we had people who are acting like that. With to look beyond the Justice System because it does not provide us with a legal remedy for that kind of intrinsic racism. In your essay in the book the prosecution of black men. And in many of your presentation you focus on the prosecutors ive heard you use the term discretionary decisions why do we focus on the prosecutors. When i was a public defender. One of the things i found fascinating and i did not understand was how was it that the people who make the charging decisions they were making decisions that were there. I focus on the because again its very important that we stay focused on all Law Enforcement. We should be paying close attention to them. But they do not had they only have the power to bring a person to a courthouse door. Its a prosecutors that make the decision about whether they will remain in the system and become entrenched in the decision. What that charge will be in that decision as well as a plea bargaining decision. Those two decisions they make those decisions the judge has no control over it. And the combination of those two decisions. Yes everyone has a constitutional right to a jury trial. You and watch lorne order. And you think all of these trials are going out not so. There are a lot of guilty pleas going on 95 percent of all criminal cases are result by way of a guilty plea. And it would be fined if it was a fair process where people were feeling like they were doing it freely and voluntarily the prosecutors can bring charges so easily. Theyll had to meet this really low standard. They can bring as many charges as they want it so easy to lay out that standard. With the proof beyond the reasonable doubt. They can pile on these charges putting them at an advantage and you can see how a defendant facing a long list of charges each which might carry five to ten years in prison even an innocent person might plead guilty. They were innocent by the way. They came in and freed them. That is the good news. But innocent people because you feel like if i go to trial and i get convicted of all of these. I will spend the rest of my life in prison maybe i will plead guilty to one. It gives them disadvantage and people feel compelled to plead guilty oftentimes when they dont. If they open their books and they only brought the charges that they should bring its not the way it works in the United States of america. So i argue that we need to be paying close attention to the prosecutor. And in every state all of the states except for in the district of columbia the District Attorney as they called. There is one person that runs around a post. Pay attention to your da races. These are the people that control the criminal Justice System. And how they are increasing racial disparities. The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world. As in those questions. They might faint but asked them. This is a democracy. We hold them accountable. I really urge people to Pay Attention to the District Attorney. [applause]. We have the biggest mass shooting in American History in las vegas. There was a brief comment about gun control of course. My question is why did anyone not have a discussion why the rage after the event. The way that i am defining white rage is not true the kind of violence that we are used to. It is through the clinical policies after coming out of state legislators. They are diluting the power of so Many Americans where they are making choices about where School Districts will be and where they wont be. Those sorts of things. That is the kind of white rage im talking about. Every society as we said. Were really drawn to the flames but we miss the clint kindling. We even see las vegas but were not paying attention really to the way and the fact that they came to be. And where they are racialized. That is a very different kind of discussion the first thing i want to mention was that regarding that. We should just mention and give thanks to the Texas Observer which they broke the story. That was a really good thing. In any case my question is about this. When i think about issues that affect africanamericans and hispanic americans and poor right dash mike white people as well. I can think of some things regarding some issues that would make things better. Making things economically to white people and africanamericans and hispanics are overly represented in lower wage echelons. It helps them as well. That is a relatively new phenomenon since it was set free. Overturning the formula that was used to decide which of them are there. The thing that sums me about it though is the thing about the shootings of young black men by usually white Police Officers. Im kind of stumped by what we do about that. I dont know how to get to a solution about that. Even if you are top. I guess that is my question. What is a solution to that. People ask what can i do. What can we do. One of the things that we are talking about is that we have to fully engage in this democracy. We must hold the elected officials accountable to often we are lulled into complacency. Online order. Im tough on crime. Thats all i have to say. It is not enough. You have the police who lied about how they killed a 12yearold boy. And then when that videotape comes out that they did not do that. They shot him dead within two seconds of rolling up on him. At bare minimum you have obstruction of justice and line. And nothing happened. We have to hold these officials accountable. Who is appointing the police chief. How are we looking at who the da is. They said something wrong with the parents. Im seems to me like theyre just trying to get paid. You dont even allow grieving parents agree. Youre just seeing them as hustlers. I agree with that. 100 percent. I still believe in this this messy thing called democracy. The law permits Police Officers. But in a series of Supreme Court cases. When they are in fear even if it is not reasonable to us. What do we do about it. One of the things. The black lives matter movement. We need people legislative. I tell people this everybody cant do everything but everybody can do something. Just the thing you can do it time for one more question. The police have been so oppressive for so long. Are you aware where people are working to reduce Police Budgets and find other ways of maintaining order. Other than relying on the militarized police . When the interest of time i will just say this. Various communities individuals are looking for ways to be visual entities. After the people all the time. We can hold people accountable other than putting them in a cage. We find other ways to hold people accountable things. There are movements to change and train Police Officers there is a lot of work be done but we need more. Thank you for being here to the book festival [applause]. [indiscernible] [indiscernible] and you had been listening to professors and authors Angela J Davis and Carol Anderson. And did a few minutes we will be back with more life coverage for the annual texas book festival in austin. [indiscernible] here is a look at some of the current bestselling books according to book people bookstore. Topping the list is kate dawsons report. While on the same time a serial killer was on the loose in the city. And then chris gill about offers his advice on launching a profitable Business Insight hustle. Followed by mark about it return. Next russian journalist. In the National Book award nominated the future is history. And if it is that advice on structuring the thought process. A look at the bestselling books. And then the former first daughters. They shared their experiences. In the sisters first. The Deputy Editor of the inset. When wrapping up our look at the bestselling nonfiction books according to book people bookstore in austin texas is vacation land. Some of these authors have or will be appearing on book tv. You can watch them on a website book tv. Org. I was trying to figure out my life as a astronaut. They moved back home. The reason i move thomas to be with my dad. That was a moment of really tried to try to dig deep and understand. The two most important days of your life are the day you were born in the day you figure out why. Why were reborn. What was the purpose. Mark twain didnt really say that. If you look in the book there is no mark twain reference there. I think that was kind of cool i think. And figuring out why and as a society in this day and age with all of the things that are going on all of us collectively figuring out why we are here to help impact the people that are here that could be the explorers. Thats why i wrote this book. It is the Family Community not giving up. It is a journey of steam education. I grew up not even knowing what stem or steam was. But i was living every day. With the building bicycles and all of these Different Things. One of the things that will help us as a civilization is when we realize were on this small blue marble together we dont always see this happening but from that the Vantage Point of International Space station when i look out over virginia. Its only 240 miles up the distance from dc to new york. During this with people we used to fight against. I was there with the russians in the germans. And having these moments where i am flying over virginia five minutes later were over paris. That mom is probably eating down there too. It shows you how connected we are as a people. And looking down and seen how beautiful it is. But knowing what is happening down there. These things going on. From that Vantage Point is simply stunning. We have that coupons up there. Might be the lucky one. Weather is through vr or whatever. As a person. You can watch this and other programs online. Book tv. Org. Here is a look at some books that are being published this week. Then they explore the political life of president franklin d roosevelt. Obama takes look at the presidency. In playing with fire Msnbc Lawrence Odonnell has the 1968 election. They reflect on the russian hacking of the dnc in the 2016 election. Also been published this weeks and eight seconds of courage. They recall the military career with that congressional medal of honor. The first immigrant to receive the honor since the vietnam war. They look at the legacy of the h president. The former cbs news anchor shares his thoughts on patriotism and what unites us. And in when the world is no they examine the Foreign Policy initiative at the start of the postcold war these titls coming week and watch for. Good morning. My friend eric how are you today. This is the famous gill errands. So good to hear your voice. It is great to hear you and see on television. Thank you for your work in the discussion you are having around the whole german nazi issue. Every german during that time if you wanted to buy bread and you have to have a nazi card. It wasnt really a matter of choice. The thing that i would love for you to talk about is the notion of you touched about it briefly binary choices and where i live here in Northern California in the bay area there is a growing population of people who call themselves progressives and it seems to me that term has been hijacked to the point that its at the exclusion of god. The notion of yes we are making our culture and society better. It is to include everything except god is the focal point. And most important thing in our lives about how progressives are coopting and hijacking. What it means to be alive. And working in gods kingdom. As eric will knows my grandfather was also in the german military. One of those that was in the german resistance. He was a german officer. Another relative and uncle was also in the german conspiracy against hitler. Another uncle was an ambassador to russia. All three of them were found guilty of treason when the famous bomb plot sailed and they were all executed. These things are very near and dear to my hot heart. You know the sad truth is that germany has been pain this notion of guilt for so long. You can never get past it. I was in a say if gill did not set himself his family our heroes. That is gigs family they gave their lives to defeat nazism from the inside said they were heroes. They are mentioned in my book. Many people that gave their lives. To stand against hitler and these were germans. Evil from the inside. It brings us to the larger question of progressives in the bay area. I really think that people in good faith in america on the left in the right understand that when people take to the street in violence and when the Democratic Party is effectively hijacked by people on the angry peter dash make better left. You can have problems. You had had some wonderful people on the democratic side in america and i have to Say Something has happened. It does seem to me that the anger in the clubs often tells you something. Even if you didnt agree with Martin Luther king jr. I think that nonviolence would give you pause. These people look so humble and so noble and dignified when you had people behaving like animals even if you agree with them you are disinclined from supporting them. There are a lot of young people today who are angry. I can smash columbus statue and no one is going to prosecute me. I think that i do blame the news media coverage. I had been incredibly grieved by the New York Times and the last year or so. They printed an article the other day in effect excusing that violence as defensive that these are people who are willing to the fight if necessary. We are rarely if indeed of august journalists today. I am really concerned about the state of the union because of that [inaudible conversations] beginning now an author discussion on the mexicanamerican border. Booktv cspan2. [inaudible conversations] hello everybody. Welcome to the panel forces that worked we have in three great offers to give us a taste of their book with the interesting and indepth discussion of the border but before that of the 22nd a dual texas book festival. Thinks for coming altitudes support the great literature please file in your phones after death the event there will be a book signing in the main tent if you buy a book at the festival you support the author and the festival and local independent bookstore. Texas book festival is a Nonprofit Organization to support lowincome schools in texas with author visits and book donations to Fund Libraries in texas your purchase makes a difference the texas book festival is doing a book drive to raise money to rebuild texas libraries affected by hurricane harvey. The texas book festival and the additional each match a dollar. One book three. Thank you. [applause] i am Border Security and i will be your moderator today. And author of first of melissa del bosque author of blood by how the agency gets on the side mitt trying to track down a moneylaundering scheme involving with the biggest cartels of mexico. Roger elijah the author of texas blood delicate his family seven generations in texas it also lorin is the author of her book which is said to el salvador of recruits coming to United States after the violence of their home country affecting their families and wages cannot imagine then what happens to them when they get here. [applause] the border and immigration are such hotbutton issues in for more security at the border so what are the biggest misconceptions about the border or how can they be as addressed so roger your family has been here for seven generations. [laughter] it is hard to know where to begin talking about with National Politicians talk about the border like it is a line like it is discreet and simple but it is not a river in communities those that ties the go back and reveres so when they talk about cutting the border with a wall just in terms of geographical fantasy you have to put it down highway 90 in west texas there is no way you could actually up sustain that type of structure but the biggest concern misconception is the border like is a war zone and sometimes it is and melissa can talk about that a lot more than i can but of the u. S. Side. Missing is a complex description of how to describe the border because on one side you have a conflict that we have seen in the judge did heard about for years but then over here you have some of the safest communities in the country like el paso year after year the report says they have the lowest number of murders. So sometimes i feel bad when i write about what is going i worry that i mv being bad image far away but it is and thats it is much more than that with that idea to build a wall would solve all of our problems is complete folly. We are in constant conversation with the mexican economy and culture where we are not Something Different that could be divided by a wall so it is disappointing the way washington tries you divide the border the way that it does. I second all of that so we have this persisted idea people come to the United States because of what is here but we dont the that we the give all the possibility we have to offer that is true but increasingly immigrants that are of the rise over the past several years it is increasingly not because of what is here but their country so the ideas that just yet go you are saying the border is a concept the immigration and starts the minute they step over the line but when you close off those border routes rose, the used immigration routes so modern history shows that those who flee those scenarios find another way to get here they will go over or under though also to mitigate immigration at the border is not a rational move because it has to do long before they get to the wall. As you guys out laded your book the drug war and the drug trade unaccompanied minors coming from Central America is real so how do you square that reality from a washington makes it look like . Look at it as the refugee situation as the country we have certain conventions to have Asylum Program and except refugees but were not really doing that. So that is important so lauren does that very well in her book. Yes. If you try to curb immigration that is the rational thing to do the the young people look like criminals but they are coming to import to invest 30 that is a strategic move to pete and colored immigrants and a negative light by Research Shows that working at a school for a great kids and Oakland California and i can say that research from my own experience they are fleeing the of criminal doctors. Another point to remember is the rise of the gangs in Central America with a National Policy deporting gay members is what has fueled the crisis in Central America and it is important to look at migration patterns and migration and a larger historical context. People are causally movie north and south and we have plenty of material evidence of that. And i go into that in my book is important to realize this is purely opportunistic that courage media has nothing to do with the border is the attempt to provide to divide those debtor already here is he is already in existence. That is an interesting. 1 of those passages that struck me in melissas book was at one point the fbi agent doing those investigations into the moneylaundering scheme is also investigating a debt the disappearance of a person on the mexican side in interviews the wife and then runs into her and he is ashamed he seeks that she just saw me playing at the park but i am working really hard on this case she is behind him the whole way he drives home did he think she follows him and keep the united their Rearview Mirror a indentures the driveway there is a part where he fully expects her to get out but she keeps going pulls into the driveway to house is a way. So they are neighbors to the point that roger was making that they have been together for so long been what impact does it mean. That resonated with one of the main characters in the book is a lot of these agents for people are being tapped decapitated but theyre pretty freaked out when they get their realizing this is a tight knit community of people in and really starts to enjoy it and like get. And then he realizes how the film we goes back and forth across the river all the time they dont see that division. This woman whos tried to solve the disappearance of her husband was neighbors said it is very sad because they never did find the man and that is one of many disappearances that have happened in mexico. Now there are tens of thousands dead there are families suffering because of that. Q. Do have experience with those of bullseyes what impact does add have when people talk. The border communities what government is for or what the governments key and do. No one that i know that i have talked to of the border takes this very seriously. With those obstacles they just tried to visit family or friends. We also have to recognize the drug crisis of violence is driven largely by with supply it to be and we have created. Sued foreseeing immigration at the border village you talk to Border Patrol or executives or those highranking officials and customs of the Border Protection. You will hear again and again it is a larger policy solution. That enabled the people who want to be that if with the refugees people seeking employment. But the Border Police they should not be thought of as military people to focus on real criminals and not refugees. You had some mitt interesting news break on friday there was a letter sent by the state department to the department of romance security saying the 300,000 Central Americans in the United States with temporary defective status with the deportation relief kim the of the the kim live here temporaritemporari ly the Loan Guarantee that in that is good for them that the they could be deported . Why did they come here . Sova lead is the situation if they were sent back . Yes that announcement but it is a surprising move because let you are doing is targeting people who have been here to have gps that were cure send their kids to school so it is a misguided focus of the administration in terms of immigration. For those that have been here for some time that those that i write about their identical twins there are 17 years old for Rural Community in el salvador but their family, their parents get married and start their own family into the with the civil war in el salvador but then the war comes to within sold talking about the of gamings in bad it is absolutely true and i would add as the direct result that all of these young men he didnt lead would flee through the cycles of history so what is happening now passed you do with many choices that our government has made over the course of decades so the show and then that our board right after the civil war has come to a close during this optimistic time but then theyre raised in tandem with the game that is coming back to be deported so one of the brothers gets all the wrong side of the bad guys in town it has to flee almost overnight and his younger twin they are really close he leaves quickly but then the family figures out to because he looks like his brother and a price of his brother said he has to go. So they take the separate journeys a and crossed the border is said to be trying to figure out how to be a man crossing into the United States fleeing the violence in their hometown to counter the of violence along the way so how do they build a life or fight for papers with 40,000 of debt crossing into the United States within less than the year it is 22,000 there required to go to school but they have no lawyer so it is a story how these young people have led very sheltered lives is how they can manage their lives. Blogging that. Through a new fault of their own they get on the wrong side of these guys if it illustrates the point there is no getting away from this it said gps is cancelled then hundreds of thousands of people did if they have lived here for a long time into rigo living your the they are terrified to be setback with the northern triangle but then to make money through illegal means. One of those interesting things that i found in your book during the civil war one the collection inside the legislature set up a Frontier Organization to go cover the western side from the native american graves so it just struck me that as a parallel that crop up so i wonder if you or the rest of the authors folksy see any parallel . For this part of the beginning of these bigger story lines . Really think of the border with mexico but there was no western border in tow pretty late in the 19th century people didnt realize it but there was another political entity which was the committee empire. When the civil war came about texas resisted sending all of its net in other parts of the south because they needed to protect their western border from the committee and cabbagy indian raid. Id my great great grandfather was part of that i dont think there is a strong analogy between that and the yaw space who put on fatigues who go out to the desert and shoot each other to protect the border but there is a mythology of the frontier militia that probably feeds that attitude but that civil war situation was very different. But this gets to the larger question of what it is exactly people are afraid of what is the obsession with the border . It is a bundle of issues so what has to do with the failure of america is society to really deal with the fact of the genocide against native americans that is tied up with that american obsession because that war with the southwest the mexican war and the of bloody campaign with suppliants indians historically is all tied up together it i cannot give linear prove but i do think is a return of the oppressed you are a working journalist so the border and immigration and stories how do you know, you have a story they you could turn into a bigger idea and then a book . I had been struggling for some time now to tell the story what is going on in mexico right now so the the Money Laundering trial with the cartel that really changed the face of mexico starting at the beginning of the century with the Army Special Forces deserters so dave militarize the job corps and the government of mexico responded in kind to put the army in the streets to add to the violence so they changed the nature of the conflict so this was the first time were the founding nome members to testify because it involved a the leader. He was ahead of the operation is brother who is day u. S. Citizen and there was that balance so it seemed like a compelling story to tell the larger story of this conflict did mexico with the kidnapping there reza gentleman from veracruz who was kidnapped and then forced to go to do oklahoma forced to buy them at an auction and there are these different elements and i have said this before had been writing about the border for some time but we have so much going on in the world in our country especially it is hard to get people to Pay Attention what is happening down there so here is the way for those that may not want to open the book normally but here is a compelling true crimes along with all the other stuff as well. So that was my life thinking of expanding this into a book. I have been covering unaccompanied minors that cross into the United States i started covering that at the end of 2012 so it was a situation it created more question is they in answers. So then i did another story about those working in the agricultural system of in california and the there was more questions so is that what a book is when you are so fascinated by a topic . So there is simultaneously the with the Public School for immigrants when i was closing of that article a teacher walked into my office that said we really need to do something about these kids did he walked out so while i was reporting the best all over the country under renaults 60 of these kids were unaccompanied minors so now onequarter of the students so it was a weird situation of a split personality that converged to highlight that that it was an opportunity to write a book because i was working on these issues in my personal life i could do magazine work it was too close to it sinecures is more of off family history. One has to do with the family migration into texas part of that task to do with me trying to understand without ranching culture that is in serious decline in practically gone for that specific border part on security and surveillance the book is highly digressive that in another sense it goes to the heart because i moved away after i graduated from high School Working as a journalist in new york when i could see the of militarization of the border and it was so shocking to lead to see what was happening with the surveillance and the checkpoints that were not there when i was a kid with the drones and all surveillance assets so i decided i needed to understand what customs and Border Protection thought they were doing putting a massive surveillance net on to the general population of the border region and when i came to believe it i was so outraged by the implications of this thats what pushed me into the book but to give you a the thumbnail conclusions i realized the border region is a laboratory for massive surveillance of the of population it had nothing to do with the border for benefit is 100 percent colleges it is partially that this is a way a laboratory for the domestic application for military techniques developed from the dirty wars it is coming home not just of the border you think it is just down there but it is coming to every city in it is already happening. That really pushes me to write about it. We have 50 minutes for questions raised sure he and there is a microphone going around come up to the microphone. And was reading your book last night the fourth fell asleep. The you devote quite a bit but it also olmsted row for that your paper. He became an advocate for the germans to did not use slavery in texas so i would put a reverse question that you are you a good advocate for the border . [laughter] i have to leave that up to other people but i am glad he mentioned olmstead because that could be the single best book on texas i have ever read. He was on assignment for the new york daily times. It is a work of cultural polemic because running up against the civil war but also the of the project called the paradox of the texas character so i will leave that with you for other people will have to judge. Also check out the intercept where he is the editor. A reminder you can ask questions at the middle of the stage. You are all working journalist so what are the stories the journalists are missing about the border . I am i getting you that answer. [laughter] i am not telling you. [laughter] i think a lot of stories that are not getting attention that have been reported like for example, my employer right now with my writers at the intercept there is a private company that has installed scanners that every county in texas they are collecting by a metric data feeding into a private company. Sova surveillance net that has been dropped on texaco texas and mexico is really disturbing. They sold the comments that you made yesterday you mentioned the entrance into the United States so could you expand on those mexican officials who have come here from Law Enforcement on this side . I will plug another reporter who has done a phenomenal job to cover these amazing moneylaundering cases in san antonio dealing with the former governor or the of governor of the Mexican Border states who have wondered massive amounts of cash investing that in real estate and other assets in the United States. He has done a phenomenal job and it hasnt gotten much attention but the last few years just tracing the exodus of the politicians from northern mexico with the treasurer with the entire system they are living in san antonio and houston so the story that just broke with the Paradise Papers a we will see some of them in there actually because that just broke today in the guardian. That is super important because maybe people think those of the mexican governors why should we care . Because were doing business with them. They are our biggest trade partner so it really does play into our government and who we do business with. Thanks for your information. Working with unaccompanied minors one concern is posttraumatic stress disorder that many immigrants are coming web and in particular the unaccompanied minors i dont know of ways to help children so then i saw another question what are the requirements for the unaccompanied minors because i feel that they are forced to go to school but are there requirements we dont know about . The required is are they are put into userfriendly Detention Centers run by a nonprofit u. S. Government has the alternative to the attention system which is a good thing it isnt good for young people to be in detention so they vr are released temporarily into the case of the adult sponsor so the strange older brother working landscaping and documented the requirement is they have to care for them like the basic need to get them to court in the school also those of other requirements but to go to court their terrified and not provided attorneys from the government they have a right but that cost money that they dont have to the point but yes absolutely posttraumatic stress is intense those communities they are leaving are pretty terrorized there is the war on all sides in many parts of the al salvador the games target young people for recruited in the vast majority in el salvador or young people saw the police are targeting young people the assumption so theres actually a law that a conservation of motivation to young people of the street is grounds for an arrest. So the Mental Health needs are evidence in the problem with the Mental Health infrastructure is not scalable it is like one on one so how do i provide therapy to 100 kids . So i would say that you can contact me i can give you resources but we rely on afterschool programs that our more group based not so much one on one to build on the young peoples resilience to make them feel safe so there is a possibility for them. We have about five more minutes we have time for one or two more questions. As said journalist doing this research and reporting from a dealer experienced censorship in trying to publish your stories . I never have. The Texas Observer has been there 10 years i stay so long because they let me do whatever i want. [laughter] you cannot ask for anything better than that as a journalist. They say go at it. Fortunately the have never had that experience. I have been very lucky. I have not experienced censorship i think every writer has the challenge to get editors interested in your story in the different times it is difficult to sell a story about the border unfortunately right now is really easy now to work as an editor with a team of Staff Writers and freelancers i cannot assign enough stories on the subjects saw rebecca i have never just like reporting on the other side of the border is a security threat. Yes. That is a challenge there is heavy censorship of a mexican journalist in northern mexico the other side of the border that is something i have had to learn how to navigate over the years and it is not easy. It depends what is going on at the time you have to talk to local people to figure out the Weather Report so i try to go with somebody so that is the challenge of was doing my work in 2000 before the drug war is now is a complete terminal stages very sad but i was glad i could be there before all of the violence started. The security situation in mexico is extremely dire the most dangerous country in the world . Al is honduras. Solis said writers to mexico you prepare as if you go to a war zone. Then the security situation is is owed for the of scituate censorship. And that is just like sending someone to parts of the rock. They exploratory gas. Banks and fur joining us. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]. Hello hi Everyone Welcome to the 26 annual texas book festival. Thank you for coming out in support of our author, the festival in great literature. A gentle reminder to please silence your cell phone. Today we are here to talk about exposing rate at ballard university. They will be signing books which are for sale courtesy. When you buy a book at the festival you support the author, the festival and the local independent bookstore is a Nonprofit Organizations mission is to support low income schools with book donations via its reading Rockstars Program and to fund grants for libraries. The book purchase today makes a difference. It is also running a book drive this weekend to help rebuild the texas libraries. If you donate 15 the texas book festival will each match a donation with a book to rebuild a library affected by harvey. One book equals three. You are funding very many important initiatives. I will be the moderator today. Im the author of a book called College Football in the politic of a race. I am joint appeared enjoyed appear today im very excited about this. She isnt invested a reporter. She is experienced in covering several topics. With the des moines register. And the news tribune. In creighton university. To the right. The a regular contributor to espn tv. Such as outside the lines. In college up football life. You may have heard of some of those. The atlanta journalconstitution. And numerous other magazines and newspapers. The new york Film Festival and other organizations for his writing and reporting. Thank you guys for being here. We head about 45 minutes for the first 30 to 35 minutes. We will open it up to audience q a in a minute. For those who are new maybe had only heard little bits and pieces of it. Can you tell us about what has unfolded there in the last few years. Espn became interested in the story because of just because from Boise State University he have some off field issues there. He have taken himself to a Mental Institution a couple of times in verse dismissed for the team and just showed up at taylor. They did a really good job of getting him there but he was accused of raping a female soccer player. I did a couple of stories. And then paula came in they have previously been convicted of a Sexual Assault and then she went back and found that he had been accused by three other women of Sexual Assault and baylor had not done enough to address that. And one of the things that we started talking to some of the women who had reported that he had raped or physically assaulted them and he was through those interviews that there were a lot of problems. Addressing what the university was and wasnt doing to help these women. And that story that sparked the have another several cases. It was never properly handed by baylor. Another Domestic Assault case. The same time that we were putting these out. To make sure that they were doing their own investigation and all of this came to a head in may of 2016 when the universitys investigation done by the law firm was finished and it came out with findings of fact that basically said across the board of the university have failed in its handling of Sexual Assault cases they would voluntarily leave we kind of thought to the story was somewhat coming to an end. There was one lawsuit filed. We certainly learned after that it was really only the beginning in fast forward to today i think we had had ten lawsuits filed. They ares theoretically still investigating. The Texas Rangers were investigating. They were being monitored by the accrediting agency. A lot of it is still pending today as are a number of those lawsuits. They had three baylor players facing cases or trials in the near future. It was overturned by the appeals court. There is another player who has been charged with felony stocking. Im impressed by how well you guys keep up with this for so much. You mentioned that so much attention about what happened has been focused on the Football Team and rightly so. The stuff that has come out about what happened and even Athletic Department is very alarming but hamilton found it was so much bigger than that. Can you talk a little bit about what parts of the university maybe board of regents or other entities that deserve more scrutiny. Its a really good point to make. A lot of attention is on the Football Team. It was a much bigger problem at baylor a lot of who is handling. In the Police Department they found a lot of victims. There was we were told there was a interview with the former police chief where a person who had reported rate. Dont you think you should of not been out that late. And comments about things. There were a number of women with the affairs when it came to alcohol violations one aspect of this a huge component of what happened is the Worlds Largest university. There were a lot of women who said they would come to report a rape and they were formally interested in the fact that they had been drinking. There were women who were afraid to come forward because they knew if they came forward and said that they were raped. They would get in trouble for having have alcohol. There were a number of findings from the law firm that the whole aspect of a culture of ignoring these assaults or having a system that deterred women from coming forward it was present at all levels of the university it does go to the very top because they are the ones that are responsible with making sure that there is someone in place to handle these. One of the bigger thinks big things that has already played out. Until when the government required them to have one as far back as 2011. It was systematic failure across the campus. A lot of the attention was on the Football Program because the Football Program is the front porch of any university. The most highprofile it was getting a lot of attention. They were accused of rape. It was a campuswide epidemic is a nationwide epidemic the president s office failed. It was just failure across the board. The first two words in the book are the bible. You actually began with the story about baylor and you sort of touched on this. I would like to hear more from this the role that religion has played and maybe even at the the reaction to the reporting that has happened. Thats actually a pretty interesting story. The mother of one of the women who justified in the assault case i have gone down to talk to her and her daughter and she called me and said she was at church that day and there was a particular passage that she wanted to tell me about. It was one from the second book of samuel about the it was the rape of one of davids daughters by one of his sons or stepsons. And the whole story goes about at the end of the story it talks about how david ignored her cries for help and that basically set up he did not address this properly. He created revenge within the family. I was right there. I knew this is exactly how we need to start with this idle passage. Its so applicable to the story and were talking about a university where religion played a role in what has happened. In a very negative role at that. This is an investigative book. Youve 70 sources. All that is marshaled here. How did you bring all of this information and these people together. And how do the two of you work together. I dont work well with others for the most part. They dealt with most of the female victims. She is really good at what she does. You can just cant just send in the request and say give me joe smiths arrest record. You are not allowed to ask for someones room arrest record. For every physical assaults. Basically any felonious acts. And then match it up in a database. For the same ten years and thats how we found a lot of the incidents that occur and that was the database reporting. She is one of the best there is at doing that. We have already been reporting the baylor story obviously i think we sold the book. We had been on the story may be august or september. We had been on the story for a year. A lot of the reporting have been done. But for the next three months probably we really went at it with the reporting. We probably sat down in mid january and started writing because i have to get through football season. Thats my day job. She was working on other stuff as well. I think the manuscript was due i think eight to ten weeks. They called for 80,000 words. That was only because i drove to omaha nebraska and took away the computer. She said we have done this and this. Were 40,000 words over already. In the toughest part about it was its obviously something people that want to talk about. I have said this everywhere we had spoken. If it wasnt for the courageous women the story never gets out. [applause]. We went to california and met with jasmine hernandez. She was the first young lady to come out and say my name. The lawsuit. That really encouraged a lot of other women to come forward and see what happened to them while they were enrolled in baylor. It just really change the entire dynamic. So baylor is currently one and eight. For the football season. Under the new had coach. This is the first year. Yesterday was actually the first win. What you think of the longterm health of this program. And more than that not just the firing of the former had coach. But also the current struggle will it serve as a warning. We were there last summer. A really good guy. He understood the culture of baylor and what he was getting into. From a football standpoint i was probably a lot worse than he had realized going in anytime and there is a coaching change there is can be a transition obviously. This one was completely different because a lot of the players that were there are no longer there. I think longterm they will do the right thing. They have instituted a lot of policies to prevent this from happening in the future. They hired them from missouri. It is a struggle this year. I think longterm they will get it done. It is a three or four or five year rebuilt. It rebuild. It has made a difference nationally. Minnesota had an issue last december before the bowl games. Some players have been accused of gang rape of a cheerleader. And players were dismissed. I think the message has gotten across. It is still happening. I think there are a number of universities in programs they dont want to be the next baylor but at the same time every time we say this makes you believe that its getting out there. You still see things happening. Could you not have handled that better. There is still a real lack of transparency. The story is so much bigger than baylor. They are the perfect example of a larger issue within College Football. You have both actually written about this. And you had used the work repeatedly. What should we learn from baylor that could apply or can help us understand whats going on. I think one of the things that you see everywhere there were a lot of things. A lot of these players come in. Since they were in junior high or high school. They are the best. They are to have can have every door open for them. And the rules dont apply for them. I think the other thing that you see. A number of coaches they just want to deal with the exes in house. They dont want to deal with this. You simply cant do that. Making it a priority. You see some coaches that are doing that. You see the message to the actual young men that they need to be the ones to be at the frontline of this. Do this, dont do this. What needs to be done as there needs to be more of a message to the men dont rape women. If you see something happening intervene. In the building on that. This is a book about College Football but its also about campus Sexual Assaults. Its a much bigger topic we had been talking for the last six or seven years under the current president ial administration in the current federal administration. Can you tell us a little bit about how they are changing what the potential impact of this could be. Whether its putting more of an insufficient this is unschooled. And she has have this in history. To be more on the side of the mostly young men who have been accused of this. Some of what we have seen change. By the rescinding of those guidelines. There is a lower standard of evidence. If you have to take things like this. Beyond a reasonable doubt. Your 51 sure so now youre at a 75 which is higher. There is no deadline. One of my biggest issues with this. Is that one of her emphasis has been that the policies dont work. Its hard to say they dont work. Some of them never even got to the point where they were even implemented that. I think its fair to criticize the system as it was. In many cases clearly baylor is one example. The current policies werent working. There were some things that needed to be done. The huge pendulum shift. There are a lot of women and men who reported Sexual Assault who feel like they are now going to have their rights and their needs. Its a federal law. Its not as much about proving whether he or she did it. To help them stay in school. When they called the Counseling Center your problems are too serious. We can help you. When they called to get assistance with tutoring and stuff like that because she was falling behind in her classes because she was having to go to the Police Department to talk to detectives. There is another victim who had to recount the details of her assault to 26 people before she could move her class. There was another woman when she talked to the hamilton attorneys they could only do it if she was lying on the floor in the fetal position. There are other issues that play with title ix other than proving whether or not somebody did it. The Heisman Trophy winning quarterback who is accused of Sexual Assault. In the title ix process there it was the United States Supreme Court justice. One of the most respected lawyers and judges in the state. Youre telling a 22yearold victim to go up there and in interviewer friend. And most of these hearings at universities across the country lawyers are not allowed to talk. They can advise their clients but they are theyre not allowed to speak during these hearings in a lot of cases you are determined whether or not someone sexually assaulted someone and whether a young man or woman has been accused of it is going to be kicked out of school. I think there are changes that need to be made. The as a point. We Senior Vice President telus on the record until the stuff came up at baylor he thought it was a lot that required him to have as many female scholarships as mail scholarships and sports and that was the only thing he was responsible for this is a Senior Vice President. I thought that mattered that i have enough scholarships to give the girls get the girls as i did the boys. Where lots of people were before 2011. We had set everywhere this is not an issue that we need to make this point. It is not one that was solely a baylor problem. It is a problem across the country. Every campus where they have a pretty good spotlight. There has even been a lot of good reporting recently on middle schools and high schools. In title ix applies for them also. What has the response been. What is the response been for you guys and especially from baylor people. See mac i feel like weve have a pretty good response. I think there had been a lot of people that read the book and realize how heavy it was on the stories of the women and speaking to marks point about showing how this is really affecting women in their lives in their need for services and resources. It was really heavy on that. I think there were a lot of people that really appreciated it. To go behind the 140 characters of social media on this issue to really tell people this is what it is like to be in the situation. They basically turn you down flat. When they said the first story with one of the women and it was such drastic detail of her assault and i said can we put this in the book it so graphic but the young woman wanted in their and she wanted all in there because she wanted people to know what she went through. I can only take it in doses. I have to sit it down and then come back. It is an important read. So much of it is characterized. To the point where there had been studies about how often it was written in the past. That makes sense to me. For a lot of people it would be the first time that the really taking there is so much in your book. What do you hope the take away is. One thing that people get out of reading as the research. Theres so much victim bringing going on out there. And how these things happen and what the repercussions are. We hope people take this more seriously. I had two teenage dollars. They will read it about two weeks before they go to college. It is why we were doing an npr interview in dallas and a woman said yes i drop my doll it dash mike my daughter off at college for the first time. I just hope its educational. I hope the victim blaming the steps and we do a better job of educating not only our sons that no means no i think thats the most important thing. Weve about 15 minutes. Hopefully we can get through all of these questions. Think you for writing the book. And in full disclosure and in full disclosure i have written a lot of tuition checks your book was hard to pick up and it was hard to put down. I would like to know if you could say a little bit more about accountability. There has been some accountability in the administration in the process and whatnot. But what really concerns me is the board of regents level. All of this happens this culture i believe is at the doorstep of the board of regents. When we see that has not been unanimous i see like the entire Community Needs to know who knew about the stuff and when did they know it. And what do they do about it. Im just wondering if you have an opinion about whether full accountability will ever take place even at the boards dash mike board of regents level. I have heard many times over the last year to year and a half. Its a fair question. They run the university. They are the ones that are supposed to be hiring the people who are in charge of title ix and who are in charge of making sure that all of these safeguards are there for training in response and handling the campus police. I had been reporting on Higher Education for a long time. Ive never come across a more tightlipped dash mike tightlipped board. When you agree to be part of that system you go in there with the understanding that this is a private school. A lot of people are not pleased specifically targeted. The parents were sending their kids there. And they are writing the tuition checks. In the system with a private school that is really the only official can ability they have. There are as you mentioned earlier a number of pending lawsuits. And hopefully theres some deposition that can bring some people to the table. But that is very uncertain at this point. I think there will be some disclosures in discovery. In terms of people ask us for the last two years will we ever see the Pepper Hamilton report. There was a Powerpoint Presentation and there were a lot of attorney notes. Whether or not they were ever going to force them to turn over. There is an accountability the board of regents their sole purpose is to oversee the university and they will tell you the university was not being operated correctly. From what you know was the Pepper Hamilton Investigation Complete you will have access to the Powerpoint Presentation. We do not had access to the power points. We were told some of what was in it and we wrote about that extensively in the book but they have not i think we will see unless they settle that is something we will see come out in the lawsuit and at that point i think people will be able to determine whether or not it really is an exhaustive examination of what happened. Sexual assault is a crime rape is a crime. Can you swing to me dash mike can you explain to me why they automatically generate a report to the police. In a Perfect World the women who come forward and report these things would be told of their options to report this to cap this place were to wherever jurisdiction happened in but they do have the right to go through and a woman does not want to report she has the right to go to the Title Ix Office and get it handle that way there are people that have criticized that because they feel that results in underreporting unless publicity of the crime that you dont care about. Again, i will close up by saying ideally, through the title ix process people who are talking to that young woman or young man would also let them know of all of the routes they can take through the criminal Justice System as well. You can choose if you are a student which of those to you are going to enter into. What we found at baylor though was a lot of these women the incidents happened off campus. And they would say theyre not responsible even though 75 percent of the students live off campus. Thank you. Before i ask the question the bible passage you refer to was in him and tamara. My question i had been following this case fairly closely ever since i first started reading about it a couple of years ago and as a fan of it in conference rival who has its own issues with institutional failed however iny reading of it curious that the system failed in a tragically though ultimately kind of innocent manner or was it a deliver cover it on the part of the university. I do get a little bit of both. There were people there who have been there since the 1950s and were not properly trained and were not equipped socially or professionally to deal with issues like this. We talk to a former chief of staff for the president who said that when she was put into charge of title ix and went out and found Educational Programs and materials if they mentioned the word rape were sexual activities they were not able to use them. I do think there was a little bit of coverup. I think with some people there was more intent. They have plenty of their own issues. When you mentioned the baptist culture it reminds me of Brigham Young university. Give any advice for campuses that have a strong religious presence. I think one thing that could be helpful and one thing they have started to do is get outside consultants to kind of come in and talk to you about how to do these programs and how to run a judicials affairs system. If you are a religious institution you still want to be held up by your moral and ethical code. Its a tough line to walk. Etiquette needs to be clear especially in Sexual Assault that there needs to be some sort of amnesty. I believe that actually happened in texas legally. I think thats right. I think they enacted law that would require that. That brings up another point. There are other entities that could step in and make sure that there are systems that the school still have to follow even though they are religious institutions. There was a fringe segment of the baylor fan base who said were only writing the book because they were antichristian. I wrote seven books with the duck dynasty guys the only thing better than that was we were only writing the book and porting that to save the longhorn network. It seems like a long way around to do that. I am a im a texas Public School teacher. In the Public School system the student has to go through an intake bullying program that they had been schooled on and what what bullying means in every aspect of it and what that looks like online and being responsible online and then find those things. If an infraction does occur they cant feign ignorance. We keep saying education and the lack of education we have seen a rise of this. We had have the issue with the Duke Lacrosse Team and now we have this here. Is there something going on at the school level at either the freshman orientation classes and especially the Athletic Department to where this is what Sexual Assault is. This is what it look like. It will not be tolerated and there is no no longer i didnt know. Is there anything like that going on ive got children. I need to make sure they are protected as well. One of the most Amazing Things i heard was afterthefact when they brought someone in. Someone into baylor to talk to the team and when she said that she was talking about the Football Players about consent. If a woman is intact cicadas you cannot consent this player told us its up to the entire locker because no one had ever told them that before. I definitely think it starts there. We can bring dash mike blame the board of trustees. There has to be some personal accountability on these players and we have to do a hell lot better job of raising our kids also. What that looks like differs from school to school and can often be one video. The other thing i remember someone told me when i second them about baylor for a lot of the students especially coming out of Texas High School going into a conservative culture the first thing they have ever talk to them is to say dont raise someone. Theyve no other kind of education and then what they get is this very negative version of it. What it looks like is very important depending on who your student body is its coming in. Earlier paula was mentioning all the different investigations coming towards baylor from different directions. The big conference is withholding millions of dollars in Television Money waiting to see that baylor actual changes. And when questioned about it it has been a series of athletic scandals and we want to see real change. You mentioned the association. They had cleared baylor the rangers have not done anything a new president seems to be issuing press releases and posturing. What do you see as the mechanism for this. I agree that they have a lot of problems. The subject j is baylor. What is the prospect for them to actually fix this. You bring up a good point with the investigation. The ncaa has been criticized even when it fishes it investigation for not doing anything that has any teeth and the big 12 is still pending. Its hard to say when there well ever be a finding of what that will be. And baylor made a commitment along with putting out all of these findings that they were going to do 105 Different Things that they were and implement according to them they have done them all. When you think things are going in the right direction there is a lawsuit filed earlier this year by a woman who said she was assaulted the spring after all of these things wouldve been implement it. There is two sides to every story. Obviously for at least one woman the new system was not working. And i got to the point where she was angry enough or she filed a lawsuit. What i would love i would love to know what the experience has been of the women this past year have come forward and reported assault and what that looks like. Thats what it really comes down to. I would like to know what the claimant is on campus now for women that are there and are they seen anything different at these parties were among their friends i think that is going to be really the only way he will tell if there has been real change made. Im sorry, were out of time. Incorporation you so much for your help today. They will now be signing books in the book ten. You guys can find them. That wraps up this years coverage of the texas book festival in austin. If you have missed any of the Author Program today you can watch them tonight beginning at 9 00 p. M. Eastern time. But tv is on twitter and facebook and we want to hear from you. Facebook. Com. It is utterly boring to understand the my torque aspects of your behavior. What is incredibly complicated is understanding the meaning of the behavior. In one setting firing a gun is some appalling act and another it is an act of heroic selfsacrifice in one setting putting your hand on someone elses was deeply compassionate and in another it is a deep betrayal. The challenge for us is to understand the biology of the context of our behaviors. On that one is really challenging. One thing that is clear is that you are never going to really understand what is going on if you get it into your head that youre going to be able to explain everything with this is the part of the brain or the gene or the hormone or the mechanism that explains everything because it doesnt work that way. There is rioting and violence going on. People running around. There is a stranger running at you. They have something in their hand that is a handgun. You have a bunch dash mike you have a gun and you shoot. And thus we ask a biological question. Why did that paper occur in you. As a whole hierarchy of questions. Why did that behavior occur. The amygdala. He want to think about aggression and the thing about the brain to think about that. Then you get an outburst of tension. They had rear types of seizures. A sunny uncontrollable violence. If you damage it you blunt the ability to be aggressive. It is about violence. Except if you sit down and send them to what the amygdala is about. Its not the person that will come out of their mouth. For most people studying it. What it is about his fear. Fear and in the society and learning to be afraid. In another words we have just learned something very interesting which you cannot understand the first thing about the violence without understanding the biology of fear. There would be an awful lot more. Now the thing to begin to make sense is. And what regions talk to her intern. The next region that is incredibly it is in fact incredibly boring. It does something very straightforward. You buy into a piece of food and is spoiled and rotten. And what happens is as a result your cortex activates and triggers all sorts of responses. You have a gag reflex. It keeps mammals from eating poisonous foods. And you do that same thing with human. They had been convinced to buy into this food. They are in a brain scanner. We do something fancier all we have to do is think about eating something disgusting and that cortex activates. But then something much more subtle. Sit down and have them tell you about a time they did something miserable and rotten to some other human. Doing something miserable and run to someone else. And it will activate. And every other male on earth it does gustatory disgust. In us it also does moral disgust. And that what that tells you is why it is that if something is morally appalling we feel sick to her stomach. It leaves a bad taste in her mouth. Our mouth. We feel soiled by it. Our brain invented the symbolic think of standards and did not invent a new part of the brain at the time. They said okay moral disgust there is that insulin that does food disgust. Discussed. Its in the portfolio now. It is now going to do moral disgust as well. And has trouble telling the difference. The main part of the brain and the human brain. Because once it decides that this thing is disgusting you are a couple of steps away from it being scary and menacing. You need to act again. Its very cool that it does this. Suppose you see some moral ill that needs to be cured. It could take the ultimate sacrifice in some cases. And if moral outrage was this abstraction it would be hard to pick up a have of steam. Your stomach churning that is where the force comes to to make a moral imperative imperative. But then there is a downside. The cortex is not very good at remembering its only a metaphor. And suddenly you have that whole problem of the world of people who are disgusted by some these behavior which in someone elses eyes is just a normal loving lifestyle. There is a danger to decide that being morally disgusted by something as a pretty good litmus test for deciding between right and wrong. And we should know all of the ways in which that can get you into trouble. And most of all every ideological in history has have a brilliant intuitive feeling for how the cortex works. If you can get your menu to the point that when you talk about them and them them living in the next valley. If you can get your followers to the point that when you invoke them the cortex activates because there is something something just discussing about them. You are 90 of the way there. The key to every sort of good genocidal movement is taking them and turning them into such malignancies that they hardly even count as human anymore. You can watch this and other programs online book tv. Org. Here is a look at some of the current bestselling books according to book people bookstore. Tucking the list. 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