We welcome you and or your a hospitality. With the first goal deal i represent china so that is a natural connection one of the things we have learned is there are multiple cultural issues coming up in the chinese American Economy i cannot imagine how to address these issues. Thank you very much. And to be on the National Committee board end of your contributions i am a senior director for Education Programs at the National Committee in rehab period of all decided to take time this evening to join us for what i am sure will be an interesting and thought provoking discussion. Wheel of us discussion among the three of us then open it up to questions and comments from the audience. If people are in the overflow room and you have questions come over and we will accommodate your question as well. Congratulations on your book the official publication date is tomorrow. So we are absolutely thrilled you are here to talk with us. Tell us how the book came to be. Sure. Look at china with that creativity i wanted to do deconstructs the narrative i also happen to move to use shanghai with my family. To the number one in the world and people were very upset. Just down the street in all of shanghai we had a little boy. So we enrolled him and through this narrative i happen to be a journalist. So i knew i had an opportunity. What is the genesis of your book and what does the avocado pit have to do with it . [laughter] to be interested in education we heard a story a couple years ago from the academy this prestigious so a girl applied she had great scorers with a grade essay, they admitted her but we knew something was a little bit off but then it became clear that was not the girl who had done the sky interview. It was her sister. I was told this story and it was corroborated but theyre all talking about it that the differences are so strange. But when i heard that story had thought it is not so strange actually. Substituting one person for another with tea market is very common. Teamwork is commons a there are many things that were baffling to the educators here in spending time in china and that is also true. And space to bring education to china. But time ted was not about this school but i said i understand both sides so there was a book where i can explain it. So i realized that piece of information they were missing those from the east and the western very different. It is like an avocado with a pit in the center for ago we feel this is our identity of the whole purpose is to understand that nature and strengthen the weaknesses that were very much committed that they can move freely and this is the model that we have. Research has established that asia, africa, south america, a lot of places in western europe and even in the United States itself has distance and has dominated so is that self that is falafel of agency it is fully capable to travel abroad doing all these things that we think of it think we imagine that some how they cannot take initiative but that is wrong. There is plenty a of the initiative and entrepreneurship. So wheres that coming from . They dont care about branding or fit is a law firm but in china there is none. [laughter] because the ada is honorable with integrity. With that emanation of these people with the avocado pit. So lets use that name. It is a completely different view. Is more geared to what will work. As i think about chinese education and American Education i find myself troubled by the sweeping generalizations there isnt one Education System here or there child of a Migrant Worker not getting the same education as the ones in this school. Obviously really have an hour and half to make some generalizations but to keep in mind there are a lot of differences. You have gotten a lot of attention for this book which is great. I wonder if some of that commentary has gotten long . That chinese education is all good or American Education is all bad, using yourself as an example obviously you did pretty well you went to stanford which is not known for taking structures. Slouched. So what is it about the chinese Education System . First, let me go back with my strength in school, as a mother concerned about individual choice i want him to eat eggs but did want to force him. The teacher immediately shoved a eggs in his mouth and held his mouth shut until he swallowed so i said in america explain the benefits. We do not use force. She said does that work . I said sometimes yes and sometimes no. [laughter] bin she said dont ever challenge my authority in front of the child again so that i realized it was more than a bargain for. So where is that motivation . So with that Group Orientation she thought i was making waves taking away from the Group Progress and had an idea what her authority was to look like. Talk about internal drivers of behavior i want to show a slide. So with is that sorting mechanism there is a lot of anxiety around education with every level of the latter there is the Entrance Exam at highschool there is a million kids. At college you lose another 8 million so talking about that top tier everyone is fighters to is only a couple hundred thousand children. It is high stakes and drives behavior so understand the extra of force. If you say how is indeed doing is in shanghai . At of 47 students she is 27. Everything is about this gore and the ranking so that is important to understand. That was good and bad. One of the good things i discovered the chinese have a cultural term for eating dinner that translates to hard work there is a connection from hard work and achievement in the United States and i got a lot of flak for this. Were okay to believe he will train harder but translated into the classroom doesnt work. We all believe in that connection in higher at hard work. So i believe that is one cultural defense i have learned in my research that. Would you say there are strengths to the American Education . Absolutely. There is a lot of border to the classroom they are packed very tightly the teacher has decided three rose knees touching in front is order but with individual expression there is laughter enjoy summer paying attention. Some are not. They are preteenagers and i said illustrate your dream. Out of 50 kids 48 had houses but to our into world peace. [laughter] because this is happening these two kids just decided i would do exactly the same down to the same color. That orientation is captured very well. We are so good at talking to our kids not only asking them their interests but what they think and on a daily basis. And unfortunately most chinese children come home with a parent knows best environment. But is china better or america better . It is a poor country. You may not like the latter but on the other hand that i think what can we do to improve our own system . Because there is a middle ground. I am a writer. The net yet whats i do know is i have a child who is interested in art i want them to learn to do perspective. So you mean the child the canton into perspective . Of most children cannot most of them were on display by imitating someone else. I think to go past that is a great thing bin maya experience shouldnt they also learn to do perspective . If you tell them that is wrong. It is a terrible word. We think that avocado pit will shrivel up. But i have to say that people who have a lot to say are not undaunted from the storytelling. Though whole idea that you must learn to do this. This will not make you a great writer but then use the down and then they could do that. And then to do those things. This narrative of chinese not being creative. They did not feel to do Something Different from each other. And that was the loudest person may thought was the leader. There was different creativity so if you have that topdown teacher who says i dont want to hear your opinion you see this in young kids. Only if certain times you can get water. This is their reality. If you are branded a coffer you can get it anytime that you want. And then they get the yellow card whenever they want. With those antiquated laws that you have to take the s. A. T. So they have laws and require you to go back. So i feel that authoritarianism that is wrong that drives behavior in china. But there are so many barriers. But if you talk get that stanford level. What do you suppose to do . And that is a lot of pressure. Into do something great it wasnt your fault. And honestly day slide themselves. Asking the question to be scripted over the net dave may be better off. At like to go back to the baggage claim but Many Americans would say the examples of corruption. That the american pool but it was getting girl a bed girl be was taking the test and not showing up. With that description and then made by a hair stand on end. For what theyve been the of our society and Chinese Society and anyone if you could go first. With the textbook system of any kind of corruption. We had that huge scandal with the of mantegna teachers. But bill whole district was cheating. And to have a highstakes and that said if you have old nation and to have a huge problem. There is a way that you to be focused on the problem. And to feel that they need to be segregated. Because just as many stories of the unbelievable honesty. I dropped my wallet around 10,000 people. It is shiny very United States looking in at 3,000 in its anybody could have picked that up. So i was panicked when i realized i had dropped it. A guy was standing there looking for me and i got a back then there were a thousand people around. It goes both ways. And then to clean my apartment at shanghai concede that i wanted to pay her much more. And they would not take more than she was supposed to so it is not like a nation of cheaters but that said that Education System especially i think so now there is money now in china in beijing and shanghai. This so you want someone so with the consumer culture and agreed so that is a kinder way to look at me with those relationships in your life and it bought highest person is that the size of the gift. So i feel if you show our appreciation you give a gift but in china you dont want to except something because you do not want to owe them something in return. I learned that the hard way but a teacher who takes a deft use as i know what my teacher and i kidded the front and he is in a bad back. This is a problem in shanghai and in our rural areas for girl to pay your teacher for time outside of the class. So with the stakes and the gifted and culture. That was our to cells. This is what we recognize to go around the individual. So what you can see there is still a boundary butted is permeable between the in group and to be out to group. If you give a gift your removing someone from this to this summit that is what is happening and it is that reciprocity. And then to be that much closer. And in america and it is corruption and that is instrumental but it is the way to establish the relationship. So to say i feel more comfortable to pull this together. And then we have to go down together. That isnt necessarily what is important a painter decided to paint my son that is worth quite a bit of money. But then three years later it was the antigravity machine in going nowhere for 10 years. So you just have to question it is a silly question modesto way to show the appreciation that yes at some point to take care of people in your group. You want to show the rest of your slides . No. Thats okay. [laughter] with those questions and comments. I have a lot of students from china one of the interesting issues from me half of the incoming freshmen are of asian background. With harvard and princeton but on the basis that if they get the s. A. T. Score of 740 that is a failed because they cannot be competitive with the other ethnic groups. I would be interested in your opinion of both the dynamics. This is a very loaded question. But that contention that those asianamericans that there was not a quota. Begins to look at that percentage. So if that means to compete against each other. So those asianamericans have to compete against each other. That contention somehow this is related to affirmative action in it is also highly erroneous. So a school like harvard is in the business of producing leaders. There has to be diversity. And that is just completely wrong. Mcfadyen day problem with the asian americans. I dont think it is right for one group that is only five or 6 of the population. So at the same time to be treated like the jews. And the fact if asianamericans were treated differently and the jews then on what basis could you make . Is a complicated question but i am not on their Admissions Committee at harvard. [laughter] so did you notice to what the other country is doing education in wyeths . If you look at what is it your it is education. The education is very insecure theyre sending teachers over from the u. K. And the netherlands and not surprisingly and then to bring that back. What i do worry about is there is a lot of resistance to American Education they are thinking and talking about it but it looks uncomfortable. That translates to a different language in that discussion with the students need to do to persevere to get good feedback. But you cannot say that idea of confirmation because it truly does. So i very interested in u. S. China but is like a religion. You cannot say anything that is antiindividual. So i wonder how healthy that is. Were not this always individualistic. Were so busy we can get them to sit there. Touche the kids in japan if you sat with those problems indefinitely, there is no answer. You can quit now. But they have that perseverance. But then 30 seconds and they gave up. In any field. Where people have not achieved tremendous levels for those of the degree to which this has led to this hyper protection with that in the ability to persevere is a problem. And then to go too far. So if you dont detract so what are we doing in the classroom . En desert our students. Who was served by a lot . But you have not served about students. And to correlate their earnings a couple decades later. But that is true with the research. Hello. So originally being from greece and what they are talking about with the chinese part with my greek background so what i have observed and what we set about corruption so one thing above like to ask you is to what extent that those things that people do good and with that concept in this particular case . I will give you an example so in china the gifts that you mentioned to help out someone in the inner circle with that networking event and then and he called back network take then called that networking. So excepting the gift of the painting. Nothing ever came of the gifted just sits in the living room just to be clear. You are absolutely right it is human nature and they dont always have to be corrupt. But i will Say Something that i fault of the asian system so the problem with that boundary so why are they so kind in the watertown . Lawyer is that . And the lot get those units it is completely different. So all that this system because the sheer warmth so talk about those japanese soldiers with the chinese and other people so that strong boundary. The delicate the eight years i was ted shanghaied thinking that would never happen. Even with u. S. Dollars for the poor world kids for education that was unthinkable eight years ago. So they said that fancy tables if you can tap that part of a culture but people realize you have to give back. So talking about shanghai especially in new york we all want the same thing with the global marketplace so talking about this particular per been educated and. [inaudible] my company is taiwanese so we look primarily of china but the also feel personally invested to spend some time in taiwan with elementary school. And will enlist reading articles with that creativity get. When then what i noticed in taiwan is there is a creative renaissance with that exploratory Creative Design to the point there are incentives being offered by chinese cities to entice the tiny taiwanese youth or the companys. China believes taiwan is part of their country. There is of a lot of political charged issue but so too have bay chapter in what they learn outside is very different. That the japanese are doubles meanwhile more chinese are going to japan so what it a are in the classroom complex with the hillside world turbotrain is comfortable to encourage tourism and money as long as dont touch the core party power. With politics and ideology. So really their opening their borders for anything that challenges that. And taiwan is a great example. That is exactly though wall. [inaudible] so we talk about exports. [inaudible] with those undergraduate degrees . With worldwide. China spend a lot of money of the University Center to take great pride to rival the ivy league. There is a lot of money attached to that. And they have grants you could never imagine they are trying to develop that. And i think enough people have come to the United States with the divide it is such so difficult to navigate to be better off learning to deal with china. With longstanding animosity also you are running on a system that they can succeed. Ivan independent scholar but discussing these issues fell one of the things when i come across ted is still ongoing from Stanford University but then looking at the university and it was reported in the New York Times so in order to establish a baseline with those students from china and russia to the United States with Critical Thinking. That was then american test that i was not allowed to say in the book. I can only say a wellknown american end source. So here is the outcome. Those who have the highest of the three in critical seeking were the chinese, the russians were the americans were the lowest. It is concerning how much emphasis on Critical Thinking. Ed is interesting that i have to say anecdotally to come to the top of the dead chinese system and then we tend to flounder so it is true but also i taught in shanghai and honestly Critical Thinking was not as high as the students. But it was noticeable. How large is the sample size . Is a hotbutton the you have to look deeper but it is complicated but that whole idea of college. And then to do nothing. Now it starts. With the light at harvard or stanford to that is why theyre coming here. And with those international indicators. With any country and then come here for university. That might be correct. With those Chinese Students those who are working on a program with those universities so how does the professor take those pits with the Different Program destined to succeed or fail . [laughter] first of all, success to establish themselves and shanghai. So really. In don the university. And there is of a lot of pressure. It is so hard to see. And if they have not done that. So i was teaching creative writing pro but given a general kind of way and i do think a certain sensitivity on the part of a teacher that comes to teaching a class so the most important thing is you could just not say they are quiet gore funny. But to be very Much Associated when you can see that communication is this is a verbal is the intuitive understanding of the red is the base language that remains the ideal of chinese literature. If ken contract craft to use words that frankly you do not want to be there. You do not like that formality. But that whole way of thinking is local and pattern orientated for those of you better analytical with those packets your dividing things up so it is easier to think and talk with more pattern oriented way. One is more effective than the next. So what theyre looking at this extremely dysfunction to problem solve. But what theyre thinking in a different way that is very conducive to was being described their thinking. Although if you ask them to recite the abcs they can do that but the others cannot. So you cannot because they come from another culture so you can encourage them to speak up us it tried to make it as easy for them as possible to understand how hard it was. Even those very successful asianamericans for all the time the professor of law school when she also started off. It is long and difficult so it would always say to my students but did say passport. That is a gemini. This is a fact of life. So looking at international anything and you have to learn this thing. That if they judge to early early, then this is where the Teacher Needs education. En those examples were female. So the guy that describes the same process and now was Big Marketing from many people talking not only about asianamericans many are second generation. But really so i would argue in many cases it is third generation. But i think for those educators to understand that is critical. So i know that many creative writing teachers that they did not like to talk about themselves. Tell me about yourself. Said agents did not like to talk about themselves. And to get to put all students at ease to Say Something about yourself dave number one they have to be aware kids are coming from very different cultural backgrounds. So that could backfire bigtime not. Unfortunately we are out of time these are really truly worth reading. To the surprise of lefties join me to thank our guest very much. [applause] [inaudible conversations] this is what churchill faced. Practically from the first day in office he begged Franklin Roosevelt to stave off hitler but the president was very aware of the isolationist mood of the country and even though he wanted to help save britain he is very cautious and didnt want to get involved in the war. And i am pretty much convinced britain would be easily defeated how could they survive and with a european country has
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