It went out of nowhere with a shock. We waited for mike to get back and my comment was i never been through this and dont know the right answer. That was, and i spoke to a lot of attorneys and legal scholars who said mikes calls was one of the more brilliant legal calls they are aware of representing me as his client. So we said no. Next day, the hearing is scheduled for is 11 oclock. I will touch on the judge never being on time. I did the math after calculating irritatingly and putting in my Court Journal he was late on average 40 minutes for trial whether that is in the morning, after break or lunch, it added up to 40 minutes on average and i think i am giving him the benefit of the doubt. I thought a federal judge wouldnt know better. We were there on time and we were properly ready to do your best. I didnt expect to hear back from mike until much later. While we were staying at the place we were at there was a slow drain in the sink the whole time. It irritated me but i could not focus on fixing it. I was under the sink fidgeting with it, never fixed it. I heard the text message beep going off on my phone. I had it on the counter. Got up not expecting to hear from mike and it was mike at 11 01 saying it is over, they dropped the charges, you a free man. [applause] thank you. I called julie over and told her what happened and she broke down in tears and we hugged and it was an incredible feeling of joy and relief that i hope none of you ever have to experience the way we did. All of that and the judge was on time for this hearing. If there is one thing i might have said to you today it is be careful what you say on the telephone, be careful what you write in email. Watch what you text. You never know who is watching you. And unfortunately, it might be the United States government. Thanks so much for this beautiful reception. [applause] this is from father ryan. What do you say about Jesse Jackson junior who stole three quarters of a million and your brother who stole zero with a line through it is in jail for 14 years. The question is clarifying in and of itself. I thought former congressman Jesse Jackson got away with a federal crime. I have been asked that question many times. And my brothers sentence was harsh and unfair. And when Jesse Jackson junior fled in federal court in washington, d. C. He spoke to the media and said i am taking the responsibility and i am manning up for what i did. And i have said repeatedly in response to that well, jesse, when are you going to main up to try to buy the senate seat and i dont expect that will happen. It speaks to the unfairness of the system. I believe this prosecution was an agenda prosecution to bring down another illinois sitting governor and used anyone they could to bring him down including his brother who they knew had done nothing wrong. What do you think is the real reason the Appellate Court is taking so long to rule on your brothers appeal . One thing i learned about our justice system. It is not linier, it is not logical, everyone has an opinion on how something might result. I heard all kinds of opinions from a lot of smart, experienced people in this business. I hope they are being deliberate and figure out how to write a wrong my brother is right a wrong. John lag. Professor John Marshall law school. They say what doesnt kill you makes you stronger. How has your experience made you stronger . That is a great question. And that advice was given to me by my son alex who if you read the book put together at my request a Business Plan to get through this whole ordeal. There were a lot of components and i religiously followed it and it gave me structure and focus during a time i had lost all control. One of the things he put in there which was so centering and grounding for me was try to look at this as a part of your Life Experience to learn, grow, benefit and be smarter from. That is what i tried to do because my son told me to. Did you find it hard to find a publisher for the book . That is a great question. I failed to acknowledge my publisher. Northern Illinois University press are here today. They have taken a chance to allow me to publish and tell my story in a liberating way. Getting the book published, if you would like to talk it about it, is very much like going through the federal justice system. There is no logical direction. In my case, i think got lucky and i am grateful for you helping me out with that. I can agree with that part. One question dealing with the family was answered and we have two questions left. Christine spencer. Where are you . Good place to be. Do you draw parallels to fitzgerald Scooter Libby prosecution and do you feel some vindication from Judith Millers book . Judith miller who you may not be familiar with the New York Times writer just came out with a memoir slamming patrick fi fitzgerald and how he manipulated her and used Scooter Libby to get at dick cheney. I hope to meet Judith Miller some day because share some of the same disrespect for patrick fitzgerald. The last question. The home run question. This is George Johnson and he wants to know do you think your brother had any accountability to what happened to you as opposed to Jesse Jackson . I dont blame my brother for what happened to me. I blame patrick fitzgerald. He overreached. He knew who i was and who the fbi was and they chose to harness me into an overreach and unjust prosecution. I blame fitzgerald and not my brother. How about a round of applause . If you buy the book, no u. S. Prosecutor is coming near you. One more . Dont worry. 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Next on booktv, salt lake tribraun reporters thomas burr and matt cannon in their books mormon rivals write about the 2012 president ial election and the relationship between the romneys and huntsman from the Mormon Church. This is just over an hour. We call this trip base talk wide because it is similar to what we do every day on sl trip all day where we talk about the news of the day with newsmakers. Tonight we will talk about mormon rivals in the pursuit of power. Mormon rivals is the new book we are proud of written by thomas burr and mike cannon. I feel it the journalism that the tribune is capable of doing in utah and we are proud of it. Before getting started, i have to say thank you to few people. I want to say thank you to paris gibson and the team of leonardo for their work on this. And tonight we are on cspans booktv and i would like to thank nick crevelle and matt clark of cspan tv. So without delay i would like to turn the microphone over to jennifer pierce. It took 18 months ago but what happened is we found too many good stories and the tidbits that we didnt have to this as a first time in our life we didnt have to write shorter we went for it to. Host how much input did the family have . How much access and how open or they to the idea . Depending on your definition of open. We spent hours and hours with at the huntsman and we talked to a lot of family aides to the of huntsman family we were denied multiple request to mitt romney and iran romney we did talk to josh but senior aides from the campaign and there is 30 pages of notes and swords sources that we could compile over the 18 months for their great nuggets that was work to get people to talk to us but in the end we did we have talked to romney beforehand it isnt like he is an coated from our own research but they did not want to participate. Host the reason i bring that up readers perhaps lead a letter to the editor from Karen Huntsman a few days after the book came out she called it tabloid trash. How do you respond to her . Vivid with our second printing we will put a supermarket tabloid trash on the back because it is said to see. With Something Like this we respect the huntsman opinion but we are not surprised somebody doesnt like what we write we are political reporters it happens with frequency if i wrote a book about anyone in the audience ammonites they probably wouldnt like it because when i talk to people we write who they are and what they want to do with Public Policy and what they dont want you to know and that is what they dont like. It is not the most insidious things but everyone has foibles and mistakes and missteps especially families that have bitten the public eye as long as the huntsman and the romney. This is journalism we dont pull punches i am not surprised to see they are not huge fee and. This weekend we heard from the romney world but not the family but they thought it was John Huntsman idea and he pushed the book and gave as the equitation to respond to the concept that, jr. Was behind that reading verbatim. John, jr. Jealousy of mitt romney has come to the alltime high he should take a deep breath be grateful he has a family that loves him and stop pouring he will never be as successful as mitt romney. If you question in the premise of mormon rivals that underscores the ideas they may not like each other host lets get into a so looking at it from the outside they are powerful both heavily invested with the g. O. P. Politics with families of influence and wealth yet they are not best buddies. Why is that . They come from a similar background with mormon ruse and share genealogy which is something i did not know. Goes back to founding of a the lds church one of the First Founders was cracked practice and was married 12 times and has 50,000 of descendants and mitt romney and huntsman in there fifth cousins and retrace that history at one point the ancestors lived in the small same town in iowa and probably knew each other. And over time the genealogy and history go back and forth they know oh each other over time. Echoes back to my favorite part if i can read real fast since were talking history that the huntsman family settled in utah where the state house and there is a man named James Huntsman and Brigham Young stops by and says what i really want to ask is why dont you take another wife . He said get her permission from very she thought about it then threw a cup of coffee at Brigham Youngs face and said brigham and out of the house to drive himself off and said to have all the wives you can handle [laughter] we found fun stories about the romney is lake Brigham Young sent them in salt lake mail long journey across the country and almost immediately had to go to st. George then romney fell from building a window and died his son also named miles was told he had to go to st. Johns arizona which is very desolate back had allies and mexican immigrants at the time it was mexico but they did not like the polygamists newcomers in the neighborhood and miles romney was the example of them and he was the leader. This is a quotation from the apache chief newspaper written by the editor in 1884 called romney a massive putrid plus and rotten goose pimples the character of allows and the record ever perjurer. Calling ambase skunk and a boom phase laos was harsh most of the time no coffee know why it was not as strict as it is now theyre not supposed to have any but it was interesting times. Allied of colorful and shared history interwoven together. Lets fastforward to more recent history and the like the of political background of where they came from. Both had fathers who were very politically active. Start with George Romney. He ran for president in 1968 was an automobile executive of three term governor of michigan on the cover of Time Magazine very progressive republican and the interesting part first to want to talk about his past because it is more interesting than all of yours. [laughter] he was born on a mexican polygamist compound at the age of four with the mexican revolution came through and he became a refugee they left everything and had to flee to texas and from there they tried to build houses and it didnt work out a way to idaho so they came back east so George Romney saw his family lose everything. He started going to highschool and then he sees a pretty girl and falls in love is when he decides he was something he really wants it city goes on his mission and comes back to find out she moved to washington d. C. So he goes to washington d. C. So she is ahead of him the graduates and goes to york for the acting career city finds out how to get to york in right before he does she moves to hollywood gets a 50,000 contract with mgm that in the 1930s that is a huge money he was making 125 a month she is making 50 grand so he gets the Automobile Association and the convinces them to send him to hollywood so he follows her around and says i know you should come with she says it will never work out but of course, it does she gives up the acting career to moved to detroit making far less and just buy the power of his personality and her ability to soft in soften the ravages the wonderful career where he becomes a nonexecutive then runs the Constitutional Convention in michigan where they change the laws then becomes governor and skyrockets from there. A true rags to riches. He came in on the richest part mitt romney did the. [laughter] he missed most of the rise. He loves everything about his dads status. He wants to be his dad and every possible way as a young person he wants to run the auto company because his dad did their kids into politics because his dad did when his dad announced for governor there were two people onstage his wife and mitt romney he was not the only kid but the one that was the most enthusiastic he loved it. He had a relationship with the media pretty early in his life you rightabout his first gaf when george decided to run it had to do with something of the fourth of july . It was that that announcement reporters when asked what was going on then he is at an event it is fun to be here in United States for the for their july for the first time. They had a Vacation Home in canada where they celebrate the most american holiday each year years later there romney would last levitt is the great line. But what i find fascinating their future standing next to the father or mother but back then reporters often just went to talk to mitt romney in he would appear on his own. By this point he is getting used to the spotlight spunky at the governors side and did not shy away from the reporters in was in any celebrity in michigan. Whenever he talked it made the papers reporters said teammate ron dash rays to thousand dollars from neighbors the paper said robison help fight the school fire actually he just pointed the direction of the blaze. [laughter] he just wanted to be up parted in his dad loved to have him around. Host city idolized his father did he follow in the ideological footsteps . Yes that is what is interesting business is michigan you know, there is a lot of unions and racial diversity so for a white republican head of a corporation to be successful you have to figure out how to ingratiate yourself and he did a good job at that at the time the Biggest Issue was raised relations and vietnam fast for word mitt romney goes to byu then to harvard. Now massachusetts like michigan and if youre going to be a centrist republican you need to figure out how to play nice. They ended up to be social issues like abortion and gay marriage. How did he handle those . At the time he said abortion and i will not deal with that i will stop anything im not excited by what take action on gay marriage at least that was a step in the direction of those on the liberal end of the scale. Host what about huntsman . He was very close to his father as well and we have a great picture of huntsman, jr. He is 10 years old in the cabin room at the white house. He is in nixon seat. His dad was the staff secretary to the president when john sr. Control every paper that went in and out of the president s office with people got paid who had a car or limousine it was a pretty powerful position but also meant no days off because the president doesnt get off with paperwork proposal on the weekend he would take his oldest son peter and john and let them run around the white house in the all hallways of the of west wing of the run into people including the president to give them golf balls and it was his First Experience with government and if you talk to him now you dont really know who these people are you just know they have high positions and to respect the job they did for the country but his dad also starts of Huntsman Container Corporation to styrofoam then after reduce back to california and would make family deliver these tubers restores and go visit the contacts that say for the big stores at the time and that is how he got started and the business grew. So John Huntsman saw all of the growth but they didnt have anywhere near the wealth they had today in the formative years sitting she was 15 when huntsman coordinated to make a the big mac clamshell that netted 8 million at the time said he was in high school when his father starts to make money and he was in mid 20s with his father becomes a billionaire. But there is one way to get under his skin to say he was a rich kid. He says i know what it is like to be a normal person to hang out with the average full dash and moving to utah from california was difficult is to be surrounded by it all mormons was unsettling as he bush used more diversity and to have everyone and his high school say that is the huntsman kid was disconcerting to him. Those things didnt work so Everybody Knows that he failed one thing he was good at is he joined a band and dropped out of highschool. Im sure it drove them nets but they did not have a falling out. Even though he hated the music he would bide his time. That at some point he could help his son and he did but then he said his Center Germany to work in a factory and he loved to be in a Foreign Place then he went to taiwan and was terrified hoping to go back to germany he gets back to tie one with a complete awakening but not religious you love for policy learning about before in place and understanding because there was a big trade dispute. So they both love their father said there their best rand. Host but yet ruth of philanthropic efforts of John Huntsman has been there running the Cancer Foundation with the Cancer Institute a Salt Lake City is now one of the premier cancer institutions to set on the board and has been very active in those charities. They are very proud with a philanthropic endeavors. When his dads company went public they said thats it. Every time i own i will give away by the time i pass away. Host but John Huntsman sr. When he made himself he turned his sights to politics. And in 1988 he decided you would run for governor and was challenged by democrat wilson and the polls showed him as a huge lead. And and then surprised everybody. And what happened as an investigative report he saw the news that huntsman sr. Said to with that . How can he run for governor of i dont know who he is . But at the same time they get an anonymous letter and accusing him so he starts investigating so huntsman senior brother who gave them his start in business and that was from a cartons so what Senior Editor of doing then created a competitor to his uncle company that upset the uncle said they did not like each other. Then they come back to sit down with huntsman senior it is contentious from the start we have detailed in the book and the last thing that people see is what we have queued up for you. During our Interview Questions about the past business dealings and service records. I have been in the white house 70 years all of a sudden he shows up a star is to ask me questions about places said never heard of before. Anatomy him if it is comical that you can go back to do your thing. So im pretty strong body language. Think youre in his face wasnt exactly the type of p. R. You want when running for office. Shortly after jon huntsman, sr. Decided he would not run and backs out. Said to have just as much influence as governor. To have this kind of attention to play a part to have a huge prominent figure to give if money to do a charity so he is is campaign manager. And also we havent done aired campaign ad that we found interesting. I am jon huntsman, sr. Is starting off with nothing billion corporation into an International Business of headquarters in Salt Lake City preferred running for governor because i know how important it is to provide our children the very best education possible to build a stronger economy and lower taxes is. I am running for governor because i can lead you talk to the future that it deserves. Host if he was there why in the world did he choose to get politically involved . It took 16 years to get over. He worked in the administration of the time period and often asked to run for congress to have a political interest and every time right before he would say no. In 2004 living in washington d. C. So as to leave washington and run for office. And he was aware but jon huntsman, sr. , if you think of what it takes to create a Business Empire to be passionate but his son is a very smart man who doesnt have that quick temper. He is a diplomat, an ambassador. So that is the kerry and huntsman influence to make him more capable for politics. We have mitt romney and jon huntsman, sr. To have a commitment to Public Servants when dash service. What is the story . So the first break between the of huntsman and romneys they helped out in 1994. Not to a rift at all and then with the bribery scandal and they need the white knight to fix this. They reach out to mitt romney and say we have this guy who can fix this then they realize they cannot pick him but they need a process where a person to head to the olympics. En running ben Madison Square garden but this really ticked off the huntsman family that they were held out but i think think, jr. Found out he was not getting a job through a fax machine. Although he still donates 1 million to the Paris Olympics paralytics to make sure they are successful even after romney becomes governor of massachusetts but but then they are fine for a little while this is 2006 romney comes to job kerry never president ial run the with people across the country he sits down with jon huntsman, jr. Year in salt lake and says i really want your support and, jr. Says yes the not officially because there was not an official Campaign Like writing a paper on asian relations of some form but then jon huntsman, jr. Feels no one is paying attention to him from the Romney Campaign not reaching out or returning phone calls he is not feeling used. So mitt romney goes to root tennessee and he writes a note that we have the screen. Will done in of this. You make is all very proud just a hint of what is to come. Respectfully, ed jon. For months before the relationship completely obliterated. There on the same page. This was the first top of the election and mitt romney came second in a Southern State where theyre not expected to do very well. It was an accomplishment. But what happened he wants to be a player in the campaign. Where hes says her grandfather would be ashamed of you. We have to understand his grandfather is. Its the late apostle of the lds church. His grandfather died a couple of years before that so if you can think of the ansell doesnt sound so mean but when you were talking about someone saying they grandfather who just died would be ashamed of you heard junior and the divide is split into the 2012 race. Im not sure which side is next. We had a photo just a moment ago there it is. The two gentlemen together. You consider this photo for the book cover. Why did you decide against it . They look like such buddies. What i like about the photo to be honest tommy did not is that i couldnt come up with a photo where two people look looked like they had bigger smile than this one. [laughter] this photo was taken in the grand America Hotel here in Salt Lake City right after that meeting, that first meeting, private meeting between the two were John Huntsman indicated he was going to support mitt romneys campaign for president so this is right after that key moment. The reason we did is we didnt think this but the tone of what we were writing. What we are writing is an interesting story but its not snarky and this photo i think have the wrong tone. At the end we were a little bit, we went with some classy mugshots but i still like this photo. This is politician to me in ways that most dont. Lets move on to the next president ial cycle end of course huntsman ends up as ambassador of china and then he starts to have president ial ambitions of his own. He returns from china to run for the gop nomination and his campaign is off to a rocky start we have to note to hes thinking wow i really Miss American i want to come back. He did it but he came back because he did not think that mitt romney was the right guy to take the Republican Party to the white house of John Huntsman junior stepped in. I remember this day very clearly. We were in Liberty State Park in new york and it was a great day for the John Huntsman campaign. It was the day before k campaign. You get there and they have press passes for the reporters that have job misspelled on the press passes right before he goes on stage the generator dies in the microphone instead, the music is gone. None of the reporters have power and they pick all the reporters up and they taken to the airport and they take them on a bus that has arabic writing on it. It was actually going to saudi arabia so they had to back off and go to the plane. Later that night the press go prescott pulled over. It was a really bad start for the huntsman campaign that never got better. Everyone else seemed to have 2012, Michelle Bachmann got a month herman cain got a month. John huntsman never got a month. It never really picked up for him. He had huge money problems. They had to switch to a three state strategy to just focusing on New Hampshire. John huntsman moved into the garden and lived there with his family. He did think at the end there was a surge coming his way. The huntsmans were very excited about it. They have this packed Victory Party but at the end they came in heard and although huntsman stood on stage that night and said this is a ticket to ride and we are going to south carolina, he knew was over. He knew was over that night. He did want to say that to the people who are excited in the room who had worked so hard for him but he knew his sixmonth campaign had come to a screeching hault. At that point of course has had much more president ial campaigning experience and you write in the book that the top romney aide called huntsman a knapp, an annoyance. The romney people knew that huntsman had no chance. He just worked for barack obama and hes going to run against barack obama. He worked for the Administration Want to have his own administration that was against it. Romney said John Huntsman doesnt know what hes doing and in some respects they were right very John Huntsmans campaign failed. The one poor thing to point out if you look at the crowded bill of 2012 theyll kind of have their own lanes or Rick Santorum social conservative Newt Gingrich is Newt Gingrich. And then you had met ronnie who is his own man. John huntsman was the direct competitor and he took shots at mitt romney constantly. You add that severity past history past history and for mitt romney and his family the huntsmans were a significant irritant far more than their polling presence ever came to be. Because it was more personal. For mitt romney to dispatch michele bachmann, so what . But to take out John Huntsman after John Huntsman had back stab him in the last election. In the end of course and spend he sees the writing on the wall and endorses romney, kind of. We do have a clip that we can discuss but this is John Huntsman withdrawing from the president ial campaign. Today i am suspending my campaign for the presidency. I believe it is now time for our party to unite around the candidate best equipped to defeat barack obama. Despite our differences and the space between us on some of the issues, i believe that candidate is governor mitt romney. Matt what do you see in this . My favorite part of that is to see how his face shuts down when he gets to governor mitt romney. He didnt want to endorse him. Its the only time he mentions mitt romneys name. Leading up to that statement he was going off about how horrible the race wasnt how horrible the candidates are for slinging mud the entire time. In fact i can read a little bit from the book perhaps from a chapter called tepid endorsement appropriately titled raid a reporter lobbed a question referencing days before huntsman had detached from the realworld. Do you think you complete out of touch the reporter shouted from the back . They werent happy with huntsmans comments. If you look at the endorsement of like he was on lemons said the romney confidant. I saw the clip later is kind of like a backhanded endorsement. At that time that romney flies to new york to accept Donald Trumps endorsement in person. After this you never see John Huntsman about the campaign again. John huntsman was uninvited to a lot of republican events. Soon after he starts talking about a thirdparty candidate and an independent candidate and in the end romney wins the republican nomination i have this big party in Tampa Florida and John Huntsman is the were to be found. They parted ways. How is the relationship today . There is no relationship. They might say publicly that they are fine and they still admire each other but there is no relationship between the two. Just last week met ronnie had several president ial candidates policy wonks for the e2 summit. John hudson was not there. Jon huntsman was not invited to that was his state as well but thats not something that romney would accept an invitation to pay its. The governor picked him that romney to leave the olympics and becomes a confidant got a major award and that romney was the presenter and every prominent group. If you look at utahs list of whos who the only family that was on that list was romney. They didnt show up and aided by table are supported at all. If you are in certain parts of National Politics you know you have to pick one team or the other acre she cannot straddle both. Well, when they were campaigning very highprofile lots of attention on their mormon faith and in the book you describe them as different kinds of mormons. Tommy, explained. Lets start in 2008 mitt romneys first run at the white house critically look at the label as is everyone is running as romney is the only one who was labeled with his religion. Former pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum or former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and Massachusetts Governor mitt romney is a mormon. It was always that kind of thing some that romney had to take this on his own in 2008 and gave the big mormon speech where he said i will not take direction from the lds church ended dog him throughout the campaign. Obviously during the nomination but 2012 comes back again. This time around its a shared word. The approach though was very different between how romney of perched his faith and how jon huntsman approached his faith. That romney wears his mormon faith on his sleeve. He is a very devout orthodox mormon. He is not someone who is going to drink a beer or glass grab a glass of wine. He will defend his faith very much so. Jon huntsman returns to china on one of his first trips in one of the first thing he does is not good of the Mormon Church. He goes to a large Evangelical Church of 20,000 people in the room and has raised his daughter with a faith that when he was specifically asked do you consider yourself mormon he said i consider myself a cultural mormon. So what this really did was for americans in some ways show that not all mormons are white shirt tie a nametag riding writing a biochemistry that there are different kinds of mormons like catholics. They are catholics who will pick and choose what they like about faith but there are mormons like that too who may have a couple of beers during the week and go to church on sunday still believe in the gospel but maybe will let that other part slide in some ways. In some ways that helps the church into the more mainstream that people can come its not just those weird mormons. I didnt know he was mormon come he doesnt seem like he other mormons in some ways you can see there are different kinds of people. It also was a cupid that broadly in the state of utah which is dominated by mormons. Tutors are the people in the state are mormons and up cultural mormon in the state you know what that means come he didnt go to church and you are not as active as the other guy. There were a lot of people in the Republican Party in particular which is some ominous with the Mormon Church in that state who were upset about that who felt that he had deceived as governor words is sitting state governor john weiler who called him a charlatan. You saw in the election in 2012 theres a poll of the state of utah and you have to think jon huntsman junior won two terms as governor by massive margins and in this poll he was 50 Percentage Points lower than that romney, 50. I think that had a lot to do with the religious part. So if mitt romney took the hit in 2008 shared burden in 2012 what about now . What does this mean for politicians to come because of the mormon question . Merrit romilly briefly thought about a third run this january and part of that sought the launch of the third run with him signaling im going to talk a lot about my religion. If you ask the family what happened here, the first races they didnt want to be just a mormon candidate even though thats the way it worked out and they didnt want to be looked at as weird for eating mormon. They didnt want that to be something that hung over his head to what they realized if you shut off that part of your life you are not relatable. Hes a very rich man who has been on corporate boardrooms for most of his life. Its hard for the majority of americans understand the situation but if you can talk about what its like to be a Mormon Bishop in how you help your neighbors it makes you helmet human and they shut that down for some reason. In fact they feel the same dinner publica national convention. Romney is about to be crowned as the gop nominee in romneys people bring forward the abramskys, the people who served with mitt romney in the belmont lord when romney was state president in their talking about the sarp raking stories that make romney seem so human. It doesnt matter what faith you are part of fact that he would sit down and write a will for this dying boy and give a eulogy or take 30 hours a week to make sure is helping out his fellow man in the neighborhood a really made that robot image that everyone had of romney go away. Unfortunately that did not air on primetime. But aired on primetime was Clint Eastwood in the empty chair. And thats what people remember. Lets fastforward to today. Theres a very crowded gop field we have got jeb push Marco Rubio Donald trump. They are all lining up and yet we dont see either or jon huntsman junior. Why is this story relevant today as tommy alluded to earlier just last week had five president ial candidates in the state of utah meeting with his donor base which is a very active wellfunded donor base. And if you are going to run in the president ial party today you need serious cash. That makes him have the ability in some ways to play kingmaker role. Wherever he tracks people that person is going to have a pretty good advantage so he is relevant in that way. I think you see and some of you might have seen the documentary on netflix that humanized him but also why put that on after president ial race . You dont do that much you want to be relevant. You dont do that if you want to fade away in history. I dont think we have seen the last of and i dont know what role that will be. For his father George Romney after he ran for president and lost he had a National Campaign to boost volunteers. He went all over the country and did that. What did we are not sure but what he did recently was have a boxing match with Evander Holyfield to raise 1 million, a charity that helps people with vision problems which is a nice effort and probably a fun night. I will tell you im sure the still photos are more impressive than the actual video. I also wonder if mitt romney is thinking of matt and i corrected. Jon huntsman junior is a very moderate republican. In this environment he knows he is not well positioned to run for president at this time. That does not mean he is done. Jon huntsman junior said he might run for senate in the state of utah when senator warren hatch is expected to retire. He has actively talked about secretary of state for either party. He was the ambassador to china for barack obama so you never know and his dad said watch 2020 because you never know he might run for president in the next goround. A lot of people in the Republican Party these days, their gambit is the pendulum is going to swing back their way. What makes the more centrist issues like marriage and climate change. On taxes they are straightforward republicans so this is the time to tell whether he gets back and do that it politics or not. Huntsmen seems to be developing an image of a policy wonk. He is on cnn and he has then the label party doing this radio show on sirius. Mitt romney seems to be loosing up a little bit with a boxing match. You can see the mite he on the ballot later on. We are probably not going to see mitt romneys name on the ballot again. You might see jon huntsman juniors name again. Hes going to help somebody else succeed where is jon huntsman junior may still be running for something as we go forward to jon huntsman junior is the Chairman Council which is kind of like a waiting spot for cabinet secretary to be in either party situation. He is still active on a lot of policy staff. He wants to be taken as the intellectual candidate going forward. Lets talk about the next generation because the romneys and the huntsmans, there are more of them. They also have been drilled into their mind a sense of public service, a duty so what does the next generation look like . I will start with the romneys. Just like mitt romney wanted to do everything his dad did his son tag want to do everything that his dad met did. All five of his boys went to byu because he and his mom went to byu. Tag lived in the same apartment that they stated when they were at byu. He got the same degrees. He works in the same business as venture capitalist. He wants to follow him into politics. The hard part is that running as a romney massachusetts is a rough go right now. His dad won the governorship but wasnt popular at the end. The president ial race didnt help that in that state so tagg doesnt really have a great place to run yet. In utah there is josh romney one of his other sons who wants to be involved in politics and right now josh romney runs his own Real Estate Company buddies getting involved in issues like the homeless shelter in Salt Lake City. He backed the congressional candidates who won the state. Hes often talked about as a candidate. The problem is the Romney Family as an ethos that you have to be successful in business. You have to let your kids grow up and then you can run for office. Josh still has kids in diapers so he could run but the question is when. On the huntsman side his kids are a lot younger but its also very much like the romney stu and the fact that you come from a kind of a privileged family you are expected to give back in some form. Jon huntsman, his oldest daughter maryanne is a concert pianist who plays at Carnegie Hall and wants to play in symphonies around the world, the second oldest daughter and add the huntsman you have probably seen her on msnbc. She is probably the most likely to jump into politics. She has openly said should be interested in running for office and where she would run for office is in her home which is utah. She is not yet 30 years old. She is going to maybe burnish her credentials in the media and get more wellknown maybe nationally and jon huntsman has two sons who are in the navy. One will be flying jet plane soon so this is another generation that we could see very much so stepping into the public limelight. Before we get to our audience questions i just wanted to see if there was a favorite in that you discovered, something from the research that grabbed you and you cant stop thinking about it. For me how the huntsmans became prominent i just assumed it was his dads business and him giving big money away. Jon huntsman junior, his younger brother james was taken from his home when he was a teenager and it was a very obviously scary episode. The fbi got involved in the process and fbi man was stabbed in the chest. This was dramatic news and he credits that episode with his family becoming wellknown in the state more than anything else which i didnt know about. I covered the 2012 race and spent time in New Hampshire with Jon Huntsmans campaign and we all knew things were going badly but talking to people afterwards and talking to jon huntsman junior about how bad it wasnt how there was little communication and he could even get a strategist on the phone sometimes, it amazes you when you realize they were able to do third place in New Hampshire with that kind of the structure on the campaign. Well audience its your turn. If you have a question raise your hand and we have got a runner who is going to bring the microphone to you. Literally running. [laughter] here, take mine. I have heard a lot of theories about why jon huntsman junior is the cochair of the mic lee campaign. What is your theory . The senator from utah worked for jon huntsman junior as his general counsel but they are politically far different. Mike lee is as far right as senator s. And jon huntsman juniors moderate. They are friends. I think the reality might be more to jon huntsman junior wants to keep his political options open and it doesnt hurt to back a winner. Right now even though mike lee is a very broad figure in the state and National Politics there are zero people running against him in either