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Host good morning it is monday, may 13. Whether it is the College Campus protest over israel and god also her preparation and protest of National Conventions. Protests are the spotlight. We are asking you if you ever participated in a protest and what issue were you rallying for . Phone lines are split by age if you are under 25 202 7488000, if you are over 65 202 7488002. You can send us a text at 202 7488003 or catch up on social media at x at cspanwj and facebook at facebook. Com cspan. First some numbers from the Gallup Organization. The Gallup Organization pulling on this topic in the last time they did it was an in the wake of the dobbs abortion decision. Gallup first pulled back in 1965 with just 10 of americans said they felt the urge to organize a public demonstration. Speaking of the 1960s parallels between College Product test protest of today and 1960s. 1960s advocates see parallels to protest today. Some said they see themselves in todays protesters while others drew a stark line between their action and the violent language of demonstrations today. We want to hear from you this morning in this first hour. Have you ever participated in a protest . 202 7488000 if you are under 25, 2565 202 7488001 and over 65 202 7488002. The protest were just one of the topics including on face the nation. They were asked about Hillary Clintons comment that students participating in the protests are illinformed about the issue in the middle east. [video clip] she said student protesters dont know much about the history in many areas of the world. What you make of the concern amongst young voters . I thought secretary clintons comments were dismissive of students concerns about the awful humanitarian crisis and high civilian death toll. We can hold two ideas in our head at the same time. One is the right of americans to peacefully protest and the need to make sure students feel safe on campus. We also need to make face we stamp out antisemitism and hate wherever we see it. The great majority of the students are following very closely what is happening in gaza and see very high civilian death tolls and we can certainly revisit history and past negotiations. I believe the overwhelming majority, not all, there are some very bad elements, as well as on the counter protest side, i believe the students do understand what is happening in gaza with respect to civilian casualties. Host that was Chris Van Holland and we are asking you if you ever participated in a protest . This survey from axios about student participation in protest of the past several weeks finding only a percent of College Students have participated in either side of the protest. The students ranked the conflict as the least important issue out of nine events offered. Including health care, Civil Justice and Climate Change three times as many College Students blame hamas as they do President Biden. What have you protested in your lifetime . We began with rob in phoenix over the age of 55. Host what did you protest . Caller my first protest was the big wto in seattle. I dont think i was affiliated with any of the groups. I thought it was going to be an event and i wanted to be there and it turned out to be a landmark event in seattle and we shut down the World Trade Organization and the surrounding buildings. There was some violence and i remember at the intersection and seeing the greats being picked up and used to break the windows and i was shocked by that. I did not participate, im not an entire cast. I didnt know who they were. I went to the wto 56 months later ndc and currently i went to the Democratic Convention in los angeles in that same year there was a big protest in los angeles. That was the start of my participation in protests. Host what were you marching for in los angeles in 2000 . Was it still the wto . Caller no, no. I come from the 60s and 70s. I was just fed up with politics as they were. Rage against the machine played their last concert there. It was a big, big event. I got involved in the green party with ralph nader. I found myself going into politics into a different sort. I would not protest against myself or joe biden. I dont find that form of resistance usable anymore. Not with the prospect of trunk. Host of the marches youve been to which one made the biggest difference . Caller they were all significant. The wto was a big event to show the power of the public and i did not expected or understand it. All they did was effective in showing against the corporate world of that sort of thing in the world bank. I was there when they arrested the puppets. The big papiermache puppets and they shut down the warehouses where they were building giant puppets. The Democratic Convention, i saw lines of police and stare them down. They pushed protesters away. All of them very powerful. I have been protesting ever sense but not anything like those days. Thats my experience. Host thank you for sharing. This is charlie and little rock, arkansas. What have you protested . Caller i protest of various causes. I started protesting against Westborough Baptist church when i was younger they showed up at a random funeral for an air man that died. Since then, as an adult i have protested for minimum wage and b lm. Ive been to several propalestine protest and little rock. I have been so quite a few protests. Host for the most recent one, how many people have been in the little rock one . Caller the war processed are on most saturdays and we will have one this upcoming wednesday and it is a drive and protest but people are protesting in their cars it is a drive through protest. The protests have been good and have had a large attendance. I was surprised the first few times we came out because there were from 15, 17, 100 people at the protest. The ones with cars are harder but we have had pretty good attendance. Host are you making a difference . Caller yes. More people are showing up but our politicians both local and national to pay attention. That is why we have people like tom cotton agreeing that the protest arent good which is ironic for a democrat and a republican to be online you are left leaning until it comes to palestine. Host this is patrick in lady lake, florida and the line for people over 55. Caller my last protest was the losing of life in iran and iraq. There wasnt interceptive in email of the cia and mi5 director where can says do you know if we can reach the votes about wmd attacks. Most of the immigrants going to israel are from russia and they have no jewish blood whatsoever and we are supposed to support israel . Is salt label does antisemitism. Host are you participating in protests this time around . You mentioned the war in iraq . Caller one more thing about israel. They elected ariel sharon and they spent 20 years israel by the fourth and he was elected prime minister. A member of a gang who bombed the english out of jerusalem so this garbage from the u. S. Media where israel is innocent that wants to get along with everyone. Host this is michael in reno, nevada. What have you protested in your life . Caller in the last president ial election i tried to protest against electronic signature verification. When i looked at the glass plate i noticed it was not signature so i protested against that with those civil clerk and she would not accept i because she did not wa to get invoed. I sent a copy of the lettero newspapers hoping someone would care other than me host did it further than filing a protest . Did you take the protest any further . Caller i gave up because it was overwhelming. I wrote a letter to the editor and i hope someone would care enough and may be they would protest against the electronic signature verification because it is an insult to ask a human to write on a piece of glass and because their hand slips over the glass, is not like pen on paper. Host this is marlene from arlington, texas and this is the 2555. Caller i used my free speech to protest for palestine and the fbi showed up and i protested against a border wall. I protested against the tiktok ban because they wanted take our free speech away. I think if we are gonna do what we are going to do we need to protest. We need to be able to fight. You will have a good day, thank you. Host glenn from ohio over the age of 65 what have you protested in your life . Caller in 1964, the fulton act right act. I was arrested and taken to jail in selma, alabama. I was 13 at the time. I had many opportunities but that was in my own time. All the time we tried to have a right to vote they try to take it away from us. Its not right. Host how did you get involved at age 13 and were there other 13yearolds getting arrested on that same day . Caller it was all school kids. It was in alabama and we have the state troopers and policeman and they said if we see one more protest sign you will get locked up. And we didnd we were locked up in a school bus and they took us to county, i tnk it was state pron in selma, alabama. Host this was in 1963 . Caller 64. Host a student protest from 1964 . When you say the students organized, how did the young kids organized . How did you get there . Caller james sarge and Albert Turner and Martin Luther king was supposed to have come to town that day but i think he knew he was going to be arrested. The whole school, most of almost there. It was 1965 debate at Cambridge University in england when James Baldwin and the conservative commentator. I cant remember his name right now. That was my only time that i was protesting. Host glenn, thank you for talking about it. From the history channel, in 1960 three in birmingham the childrens crusade when the youth of birmingham marched for justice in the picture of the protesters being sprayed with fire hoses against the wall there. In 1963 in the caller about the 1964 marches. Caller my first protest was in new york as a kid back in 2003 when they wanted to put a cell phone on our school. Me and my Close Friends all went to protest and eventually, we won. Host why did you not one of the cell phone tower . Caller it was harmful with radiation which we found from studies back then. Host have you protested since then . Caller of peaceful protest honking for peace. Host did you feel that it made a difference . Caller a lot of people were receptive because you know how bad it was and how much we were lied to about the death count . Host this is noah in alabama on the line for those over 65. Caller i havent protested a whole lot. There isnt a lot to protest. I was going to make a comment on the palestinian israeli. Host were trying to stick to the protest and thus our subject for this first hour. Let me get to james in pennsylvania on the line for over 65. Caller i never participated in a physical protest as far as marching but what i do is i write a lot of letters to congressmen, senators, president. When i watch the news, i always see just one side. It doesnt matter if it is fox, msnbc. They concentrate on the one thing that is wrong in most protest are nonviolent. Its because theyre d concerned about the situation where the news media focuses on the 2 people in the group they do something wrong and i think it is very unfair that our news media always focusesn the negative part of the protest, not the positive side. Ople have legitimate concerns about the lives of the lost i gaza. The news media, all it says is that they are antisemitic. Theyre just antiIsraeli Government. Host what issue have you written a letter about that resulted in action . Which letter has made the most difference . Caller nothing, really. Ill get an answer back and we try our best to do this or that. Its always an excuse or reason. It is one of the things that i find you look things up to find the facts and write about it and they say it doesnt seem to matter anymore if you protest for or against something. Host a few of your comments via social media. Aaron writing and hundreds of us stood outside the state capital mask up from gretchen whitmer. Civil disobedience is not an anero any problem. Most protest remained peaceful but protesters only annoy people who are trying to work and send a meaningful message. I moved to reve the come confederate flag. We are talking on phone line split by age. Have you ever participated in a protest ended up it make a difference . We show you the story from the washington times. Chicagos democratic mayor is to keep protesters miles away from the convention. The story noting that Brandon Johnson and 70 organizations have formed a coalition where they anticipate thousands of people showing up from across the country. They have suggested alternative sites which would render them invisible to the 50,000 people who will descend on the d c and august. Again that is the washington times. This is maureen and age 2555. Caller back in the 90s i protested a strip club. I live in a resort community we built a house and had three kids and all of a sudden this place that was a bar they had assigned for a strip club. I went out there on friday afternoon between 3 005 00 and i stood there by myself of the sign. We had Family Living on the property. Occasionally, i had people help me and i worked with our town planner. I got the law change. I did visit the place so i could say that i had been on the inside and of he kind of slid it in there and do not apply for a permit. We worked with the town. I stood there every friday night with a sign. Probably for an entire summer. Eventually went to the town planner and got the law changed. When he changed ownership the stripping do not go along and now it is an apartment complex. That is my story. It is not anything like that man who stood for Voting Rights that called earlier, but one person can make a change and that is what i want to say and i wish the parents and family members would protest for all of the fentanyl deaths we are faced with every day. And thanks john, you are the best host. I feel like i am talking to someone. You are the best host and i thank you so much. Maureen in massachusetts, thanks for the call. This is linda in wilmington, North Carolina. What have you protested . Caller i was in high school we were protesting general awareness of segregation. Also the band the bomb movement and i was a serial protester for a while there. Host wide to become a serial protester . What did you get out of it . Caller i was making up for that. Host you are making up for your parents . Caller [indiscernible] host do you feel like youve protested enough to make up for it would you continue to do it . Caller the last protest i participated in was occupy wall street. I may serial protester. I do not live in new york anymore. Host for you one of those folks on wall street . Were you one of those folks on wall street . Caller i just went during the day. Host that was the last one you participated in . Caller i think it was the Police Violence one that happened as we were walking by and i joined them for a while. It was not really organized. Host that is linda in wilmington, North Carolina. This is randy in michigan. Caller i would like to start by thanking you and all of the other men and women it takes to bring us this great program. You are doing a great service. I have protested in front of our courthouse when our Republican Legislature under our governor wanted to tax our pensions. I was part of the occupy wall street in the flint michigan area were we watched out where we marched out in front of bank of america protesting their ceo pay and not investing in america. I also protested at our shop at buick when we went to make elaborate decisions and some of the foreman decided not to do it. We protested out front until we finally got enough attention to have the upper management go back and live by the agreement we both agreed on. Hours were all we did not occupy any spaces. It was basically walking out front. The one at buick was just be with the big sign. I did that through february and march the year i was doing it. Those were the biggest protests in that i was a participant in. Host what you think of the folks occupying spaces on College Campuses and how these protests have gone for students at colleges today . Caller that is a tricky one. I do not think they should have interrupted it is alright to walk in protest. I was never involved in one where they occupied anybodys space. I am not into that. You are not going to gain any sympathy by doing that. You have to at least put out your argument and let somebody think about the argument and let them make up their mind. If you do that it is a lot harder to make your point legitimately is how i feel. That is how the younger ones are doing it that way. Right or wrong, that is the way they are doing it. Host that is randy in michigan. I want you to keep calling in, i want to keep your your protest stories. Phone line split by age. What have you protested in your lifetime and did make a difference. 202 7488000 if you are under 25, 202 7488001 if you are 2565. 202 7488002 if you are over the age of 65. I want to take some time to note that as we have been doing on mondays as the donald trump hush money trial continues in new york we will take a look ahead. To do that we are joined on the phone by a reporter with the associated press. Good morning. The headline, trumpet trial arrives at a Pivotal Moment. Start witness Michael Cohen poised to take the stand. What are we expecting from him . Guest the trial has been building to this moment. Michael cohen was trumps lawyer , some people call him the fixer. He said he was involved in the hush money deal at the center of this case, the pment to Stormy Daniels. We heard a lot of testimony about that deal. Michael cohen is the guy precors hope can link the deal directly to donald trump in terms of what Michael Cohen says trumdicted him to make the payment in the weeks before the 20 election and then cohen may be able to give insight into the actual charges in the case, which are that in getting reimbursed trump and his company logged the reimbursement payments as legal expenses, which prosecutors say as a way of covering up the coverup, that they were not legitimate legal expenses, they were reimbursement for hush money payment. Host this is likely the make or break moment of this trial . Guest absolutely. So far we have heard a lot of testimony from other witnesses putting some pieces together, but it is Michael Cohen who can finish the puzzle. He is the person that prosecutors say was in a meeting with the National Enquirer executive talking about being the eyes and ears of the Trump Campaign in 2016 to identify negative stories and alert cohen to take care of them, to bury them. You start apot in august 2015. I suecprosecutors are hoping Michael Cohen can fill in the blanks from then until the 2016 election when the payment was made. The reaction to that payment came in the wake of the access Hollywood Tape where donald trump was talking on was caught on tape talking about his behavior with women. That sent the campaign reeling and Michael Cohen can give some insight into that step. The question is credibility. The defense has been attacking Michael Cohens credibility. We know he has pleaded guilty to perjury and lying to congress. There are other questions about his character and credibility they will seek to poke at as they question him. Host how many days is Michael Cohen expected to be on the stand, and considering how donald trump reacted to Stormy Danielss testimony what should we expect when Michael Cohen and donald trump are in the same room . Guest it could be a while. Prosecutors say they have two witnesses left. They could possibly rested their case by the end of this week. There are three trial days this week. I suspect Michael Cohen will be on the stand for most of that. As far as reaction, we had a dress rehearsal for this moment in october when Michael Cohen testified at the civil trial involving donald trump where he was accused of inflating his wealth and the judge found he had done that and penalized him hundreds of millions of dollars. Michael cohen testified in that case and trump had a very visceral courtroom. He maintained his position that Michael Cohen is a liar and perjurer. In this case trump is prohibited from making those kinds of remarks out in the hallways to cameras. There is a gag order that restricts him from talking about witnesses, including Michael Cohen. Itll be interesting to see how trump reacts in court. What kind of facial expressions he has, how he talks to his lawyer. We heard during the Stormy Daniels testimony he was cursing and muttering at the defense table, and then what his reaction is outside court. The natural instinct for trump has been to attack. In some ways he is responding to attacks from cohen. Itll be interesting to see how trump reacts to all this considering we did see them facetoface in october. Host one quick followup. The prosecution has said two witnesses this week. Michael cohen and we know who the other one is . 202 7488000 we do not guest we do not. They have been careful not to disclose who their witnesses are. It seems like theyve been building this case towards a finale with cohen. There is one other possibility that may be required or try to seek testimony from the former Trump Organization cfo Allen Weisselberg who is currently in jail serving his own perjury sentence for a testimony he gave in the fraud investigation. The judge on friday asked prosecutors to make an effort to try to get him on the stand. Whether he does or not remains to be seen. It seems clear he would not be very helpful to them. He has been a trump loyalist. That is one wildcard. You might be witness number three. They say Michael Cohen, one more person, then if they can get weisselberg on the stand. Host Michael Sisak has been covering the trial for the associated press. You can find him on x. Thanks for the time. About 20 minutes left in this first segment. Asking you about protests in your lifetime. Has it made a difference. Paul in kingston, new york. Thank you for waiting on the line for those over the age of 65. Go ahead. Are you with us . Caller i am on the air now, correct . Host what protests have you participated in . Caller i was not only a participant in many protests. I was an organizer, i was the head of an antiwar group and i was an organizer. I cosponsored a tour of dutchess and ulster counties for jane fonda and tom hayden, one of the chicago seven. One of the most creative and colorful demonstrators i organized, i came up with the idea, this was held on the grounds of the Historic Senate house in kingston, new york where i lived. What it was was a symbolic signing of a peace treaty with north vietnam, and those who signed the peace treaty were actors dressed up as george washington, thomas jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin and they rode up in colonial on horseback and signed the peace treaty with a quill. While they signed the peace treaty little children from various area schools played the drums. That got a lot of coverage. I have been a demonstration since the vietnam war. I was involved in the civil rights movement. I was the Vice President of the Ulster Branch naacp. Then i was president of the Ulster County branch naacp. By the way, i am white. I also became involved with the environmental movement. I have been in demonstrations all over the country, both locally where i live, washington, boston, you name it. I am very proud of that record. I believed in every cause i stood up for and i think everyone of them was on the side of the angels. I have very happy memory. Host is it fair to call you a professional protester . Caller i never earned money off of it but i would call myself professional, but i was active in many different movements. Host at what age did you know this was what you wanted to do and devote so much of your adult life to . Caller it was during the vietnam war. I knew people who were veterans in vietnam. I had a friend in the marines. He came back very much against the war. He later got cancer in the leg he had been shot in. When they told him it had to be amputated he went to the ba he went to the va and got all of his prescriptions filled and took them at once and committed suicide. One of the organizations i was involved in, i was chair of the Ulster County peace committee, one of the National Organizations was Vietnam Veterans against the war Winter Soldier organization. Host what was it like meeting jane fonda and tom hayden . Caller i was very impressed with both of them. She was very nice, she was very friendly to all of the people she directed with. I spent the whole day with her. I introduced her at press conferences and radio stations on tv. Tom hayden was one of the chicago seven. That gave me an idea, having talked to him, an idea of how to prevent violence in the future like happened at the chicago riots. I came up with the idea, for a time i was head of the whole movement in this area and i got the idea of having the heads of the various organizations sit down the chief of police and the chief of detectives. We got to know each other as people. When you get in tense situations , you cannot have one side looking at the other and say they look scary to me. Who knows what they will do. The other side is looking back, look at all of the police and guns and uniforms. It looks like germany in 1933. Who knows what they are going to do . The idea was to have people on both sides sit down around a table and get to know each other as people. Where you are coming from. Then you do not have that paranoia. It worked. There was no violence. Nobody betrayed principles and everybody did what they felt they had to do and nobody got hurt. Host what are your thoughts watching the protests on College Campuses in the past three weeks . Caller i am very critical, i think i would do it a different way. Im very critical of the Israeli Government. Im not critical of the jews the right of israel to exist, but there is a very large Piece Movement in israel. Many of the criticisms i would make of the Israeli Government have also been made by israeli citizens. Albert einstein who was a jews and one of the brightest people in history once predicted that if Menachem Begin and others who thought like him would ever come to power, israel might become a fascist government and i believe that what it is today is a fascist apartheid government, not to the mocker seat we refer to it as not the democracy we refer to it as. I think i would handle the demonstrations in a different way but i totally support the right of israel to exist. Im very critical of the Israeli Government. I want to make that distinction. Host that is paul in kingston. Thank you for chatting with us about it. Today and in oklahoma, the line for ages 25 to 65. Good morning. Dan, are you with us . We will go till will in wisconsin we will go to will in wisconsin. Same line. Caller my first protest was when i was 14 years old. Living in chicago. The Greyhound Bus company decided they were going to drop a brandnew terminal for chicago in our neighborhood. We successfully fought that. Then in college a number of protest in stte irancontra and such. As an older adult, Community Development projects and some protests against donald trump and several of his situations, included how he treated the island of puerto rico after the hurricane. To point out one thing, my daughter was one of the participants in the encampment at the university of minnesota in minneapolis. Now having a palestinian scarf sitting in the Laundry Basket in everything she brought home from college. Host how do you feel about her participating in that protest . Caller we do not cii. We do not see eye to eye. I am proud of her being out there. She studied for finals while the protests were going on. But that was a lot to ask of our youth to step up at such a pivotal time in their lives. What is going on at columbia and some of the other universities is absolutely ridiculous. Dont know about people demonstrating during Commencement Ceremonies and such. I was proud of her for stepping up her what she believed in. Host you said you won that protest against the bus station when you were 14 . Caller we did. My parents and other parents, the school districts, we all came together. Host how important is it to succeed in what you are trying to achieve in your first protest at age 14 in your feelings about how useful protests can be. We had some folks right on facebook saying protests are useless or they do not make a difference. Host guest caller it made a difference because it kept a bus station out of the middle of our neighborhood. Locally where i live now protests have had any effect on unfortunate ideas about development. At the local level they can be very successful. Just let your voice be known is crucial in this country. Host thank you for the call from wisconsin. You mention protests at commencement. One news story noting a few dozen propalestinian students staged a graduation walkout yesterday at Duke University in protest of Commencement Speaker jerry seinfeld, a jewish comedian and supporter of israel. Immediately after he was introduced students began booing and walking off the lawn, some chanting free palestine and carrying the palestinian flag. Mr. Seinfeld received an honorary doctorate and delivered his commencement address without further interruptions and did not mention the walkouts. This is michael in huntington, new york on the line for those over the age of 55. What have you protested in your lifetime . Caller i protested the vietnam war, both at my college and in washington, d. C. Got proudly cast in washington dc got proudly gassed in washington, d. C. , and at that time i was at a discotheque that was bombed by the black panthers. I was severely injured at the time. I remember the era quite well. One of the things i have to point out right now is that there is a large difference between then and now. We were protesting because we did not want to be forced to go to a foreign country and murder people. Here, the protesters are protesting something that is not within our control. Secondly, i think people should realize that the protesters are rightfully protesting, but peaceful protests are being turned violent by outside agitators and i believe as mayor adams of new york said, a good percentage of them are foreign agitators here in order to create more agitation, violence, and turn america upside down for the purposes of electing donald trump, who is a russian agent, which is obvious in the way he acts and what he does. What we have now is a situation where Vladimir Putin was in the middle of a situation where he was about to lose the war. He one week after hamas attacked host come back to protests and your experience with protesting. I want to stick to that. You said you are proudly gassed when you were participating in a protest. What you think of the Police Response to the current protests . We have seen some of the violence break at these protest. Caller i think it is far better than it what it was in the past. In the past to the Police Response was far more violent. Adams got pretty good control considering the situation. I believe they were forced into a situation that they had to respond. He, during vietnam, we protested around buildings, we never took over buildings at nyu. That did happen at columbia. This is something that happens in all of these eras. There were many outside agitators that had turned the protest violent there. We have to watch out to not be used politically in a situation. We must i am pro israel, but i said Benjamin Netanyahu no one thinks of this. Why did hamas do this the way they did . The atrocities, take pictures and send them out to everybody connected with those people. They wanted the response they are getting. There was an interview with the head of hamas said the palestinians to him are martyrs to be used for the cause. Their deaths did not matter to them. They wanted the response they are getting. Benjamin netanyahu has been stupidly doing exactly that. Host just a couple of minutes in this segment. We want to keep your your stories. At 8 30 we will come back to th qstion. If youo not get in this segment we hope youll join us at 8 30 to 8 45. We want to keep hearing your stories about participating in protests in your lifetime and whether it made a difference. Georgia, hampton georgia, thank you for joining us. The line for those over 65. Caller in atlanta we were known for protesting. One ofatt i have participated in inta s when i was in high school in ninth grade. Luther kings birthday artin holiday. We cannot get anything. I have you unmute. Caller i amning. Host we could host i am listening. Caller we cannot get any done. Then mayor jackson said if you help get me elected we will make a holiday. We did the voter ratio for maynard jackson. Heeantime we closed our high school. R principal was yelling for us to get back in. Wedo high tower closed the whole community. We stopped progress in atlanta. We got it past. We were one of the first cities to get it passed in 1969 or 1970. That was one of the greatest protests i had participated in. Host rightist for the cause and the success of it . Greatest for the cause and the success of it . Caller we were successful. Our cry was this was his birthplace. Our parents wanted past. The former mayor they had did not want it, so his High School Students and College Students we had to do what we do best, which we grew up. Back in the day when i was growing up in atlanta protest was our first name. Martin luther king never did protesting in atlanta. We the people did the protesting. I commend those students because as we were told, it is for the common good of man. That could be anybody being killed. For the common good of man. Joe is to come here and the students are organizing for him when he gets here to speak at this graduation. And i might have my play card and me, i dealt with this. Post that is georgia. This from the atlanta history center. Looking back at Martin Luther king jr. Celebrations in atlanta, georgia. That story from 2020. Looking back over the years. Talking at the beginning of mlk day in georgia. Thanks for the call. Laurel is our last caller in this first segment. More to talk about, we will come back to this question about a halfhour, and in this next halfhour, taking a look at the week ahead on capitol hill. We will be joined for that discussion and will take your calls on the congressional hearings coming up before congress this week. Announcer this week on the cspan networks, the house and the senate art session. 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Org for scheduling information for to watch live and ondemand anytime. Your unfiltered view of government. Cspan now is a free mobile app featuring your unfiltered view of what is happening in washington, live and ondemand. Keep up with the biggest events with live streams of floor proceedings and hearings from u. S. Congress, white house events, the courts, campaigns, and more from the world of politics. Cspan now is available at the apple store and google play. Scan the qr code and Download Free today or visit our website. Cspan now, your front row seat to washington anytime, anywhere. Washington journal continues. Host we like to take a look at we can congress. I want to start not necessarily on capitol hill, but certainly on a topic involving a member of congress. The democratic senator of new jersey, his trial begins today. What if the trial about. Remind folks why he got involved in this, his second trial as people may remember. The first one happened around 2015, 2060i believe. It took so long from initially breaking the news. Essentially, the indictment involved him receiving gifts for colluding with foreign governments. This is all somewhat related to we assume a halal Meat Organization and him giving special privileges to certain companies. His wife is getting wrangled into this, so it is going to be very interesting. It all starts this week. Host the Federal District court in manhattan is where it will be. You mentioned the story originally about the investigation. Guest october 2022. It was very unclear what was going on, but big news was this is happening once again because we know that is under investigation and almost like the tribe of several years earlier. Some of his colleagues are already calling for his resignation. We are not clear if hes going to continue along this path of seeking reelection. Its going to be very interesting. Host one of his biggest critics is john fetterman. Guest is very consistent. He just doesnt think this is appropriate, he should step down. I will add that bob menendez did step down as Foreign Affairs chair, which makes this indictment even more interesting, because he was the chair of Foreign Affairs committee and senate. Host this taking place in new york, coming back here to capitol hill and sort of the week ahead businesswise on the legislative calendar. We saw the end of last week, the Senate Passing their versions of the faa authorization and then finding time for the house to take that up this week. Is that said to be smooth sailing for the building the house . Guest at this point, yes. Weve probably gone through our most contentious period of the house which was again passing that ukraine a on National Security funding. I think it will eventually pass the house. Host the other issue on Foreign Policy is what we talk a lot about last, the Biden Administration pausing offensive weapons to israel. Members on both sides of the issue who strongly disagree, is there a legislative track that you are looking out for to either demonstrate or force the Biden Administrations hand . Guest heres the interesting thing. Theres been some letters coming from republican leadership. It has strictly been a bunch of letters so far but the Biden Administration is asking for more aid to ukraine so im wondering if there is going to be some battle or negotiation there, some kind of exchange to see whether or not they are going to allow these weapons to go forward. Host it was late thursday that we learned that the republican of florida freshman said he was going to file impeachment articles against joe biden. What is going to come of that, if anything . Guest ive spoken to republicans and democrats and a lot of people said they werent taking it as serious. We dont know if shes going to push this motion, it would force a vote within two legislative days. Its not clear thats going to happen but we do know he is drafting legislation. Host for about the next 20 minutes or so, so go ahead and start calling in with your questions and comments about the week ahead in washington. This weekly segment that we do in congress is in session. The house expected to return tomorrow at new eastern, the senate in the 3 00 p. M. Hour and of course, you can watch both on cspan and cspan cspan 2. Other legislation for congress breaks for the august recess and the campaign trails and everything involved with an guest election year. Guest i spoke to chairman thompson a wild ago and he said that the legislation would probably be out of committee by memorial day. This is something that they have to take out. We are going to meet the extension later in the year. Along with the defense reauthorization, and of course, we will probably need to fund the government once again. Host it is an october to october fiscal year. How far along are they . We saw how far behind they were by the time they passed legislation to fund the government through the rest of 2024. I do hear often that this is speaker johnson one thing that he really wants to get done was avoid an omnibus. Not sure how much legislature they have between now and september 30. Host looking at speaker johnsons job security amid a potential ouster from republicans who disagree with him. Has that been put to bed . What is your estimation of where johnson stands right now . Guest Marjorie Taylor greene did not have the votes to move forward with this. I do not see any appetite to push forward another resolution, however, she did kind of throw out this idea. She throughout this idea that former President Trump did say maybe this would happen sometime down the line. If he is not reelected in the coming year, whether republicans are a majority were not. Host if who is not reelected . Guest speaker johnson, sorry. Host when it comes to facing facing the motion to vacate in congress, could Marjorie Taylor greene offer another of these . Is there a limit on how many a member of congress can offer, and can she do it in the same way and everything sort of shuts down and wait for that to happen . Guest she can offer as many as she likes thanks to the rules package republicans put forward. So yes, she can. When they were getting last week, Thomas Massie set i cant promise that it wont happen again, but what i will promise is you dont have to worry about it next week, but you can take a week off. Host 202 7488000 for democrats to call in. 202 7488001 for republicans. Independent, 202 7488002. Staying on Marjorie Taylor greene for a minute more, one of the things she called for as she was criticizing speaker johnson before this vote was a vote to special counsel jack smiths office with investigating donald trump. Wherever that stand and how much support is there in the Republican Caucus guest they just dont have the votes to defund an entire investigation against a former president. Host in terms of who we found out our johnsons biggest critics, obviously Marjorie Taylor greene leading this, any other surprising votes that join them in their effort last week when they came to trying to out speaker johnson . We could imagine that this is all political and that they needed to go back to this district and say i certainly didnt vote to save this far right republican. It was more democrats who didnt go along with their party leader. Host when is the next time members are going to head home . Guest it is one more week in may that they have an entire week off host who is probably going to get the most of your full after what happened here . Guest i think nancy mace is in for a tough reelection. Many people believe Kevin Mccarthy is behind her opponent, but then theres a very interesting election right here in virginia, facing a maga republican. Bob good would say that he is extremely conservative, however he did not support former President Trump during his primary. He backed ron desantis and i think these interparty battles, and keeping an eye on these interparty battles. Host theres always one race that sneaks out every election cycle that nobody had on their radar. Has there been a surprise so far . Guest a democrat from new york. His opponent was backed by a pack, a jewish funded pac. The sentiment there is that because of his views against funding israel, there is this ever to oust him. But what i can tell you is that he focuses his attention on a primary trying to win back the house. It is kind of a distraction for them. Host is the Campaign Committee playing in this race . Guest i think people are going to be very safe, especially members of congress who are probably not going to talk about the race or not going to pick a side, which is again very interesting as well. Host why is the trial taking place in manhattan, is the question guest thats a great question, im not clear. The Federal District of new york are the people that actually this is ralph and washington, d. C. , independent. Caller i didnt vote for trump, and i wouldnt vote for hillary, but this time i am voting for trump. Jack smith, special Counsel Authority did not exist. By what authority does he become god . I could charge anybody with any crime ive decided i want to skew them for and bring criminal charges. Guest we seen this in cases with President Biden with the documents case and also with trump in various situations. Pretty sure he has the authority to do what he is doing by the attorney general. Host we mentioned that the house and senate dont come in officially until tomorrow, but key congressional hearings that you will be watching for are back in town on tuesday, wednesday or thursday this week. Guest key congressional hearings. Thats a good question. The judiciary, im not aware of a hearing is going on this week but im pretty sure the judiciary has something coming but is escaping me right now. Host there is a question whether presence of universities are going to be back on capitol hill anytime soon. Guest not that i know of, unless the schedule has changed recently. Im very curious now that school is over or ending how that turns out. Theres going to be a clear distinction about student protesters and people who come from the outside to actually protest on College Campuses toward the end of graduation time. Host our first hour today we spent asking viewers whether they had protested and whether it had made a difference. Have you ever covered a protest, and if so how does one cover a protest . Host i guess very carefully. I did cover the 2020 black lives matter protest. Host where did you go . Guest right outside of the white house. I had the pleasure of covering protesters, but also being a reporter at the same time when President Trump crossed the street in front of the church. I was in the white house pool. I can tell you it feels very different when youre inside the white house as opposed to outside among protesters, but in general, i saw a lot of families , generational protesting, but i also saw people putting graffiti on buildings. I think there is a clear distinction of people who come there to protest and people who come to cost strife. I remember someone specifically grabbing Water Bottles just to throw in the crowd and did not seem like they were actually there with cause. I think pointing those things out while you are in the crowd is very important. Host so you british reporter and donald trump walked off the street to the church and held up the bible . Could you follow him for that walk after the protest, the police came and include this out . Guest i have this very, very famous pool report that talking to people doubled over at the stench of the gas that was in the air. Host what do you remember from that walk and were you able to talk and ask that president question that all . Guest know, we werent. I was not clear as the pool reported where we were going. I just thought it was odd that the president was walking outside of the white house and when we eventually got there, there was a gaggle out there. I think ivana trump was there, a couple of other people, and then he made the speech the biggest thing i remembered the smell of the area and how quickly they had pulled protesters away. Host for you able to talk to any of the protesters that day . Theres the image of the president holding up the bible at st. Johns church. Guest i go back inside the white house. Protesters didnt come back immediately. They didnt come back i dont remember this actually coming back. Whether or not it was a toxic. Eventually the secret service did come out and say they did dispense this, but not actually anything toxic. People running while they are covering the president. Host coming up on the fouryear anniversary of that walk in that photo. You mentioned that you knew some people were there to legitimately protest. You felt like there were other people who were there to cause violence. How do you choose who gets interviewed when youre trying to cover a protest and you try to interview both types of people and get their voices in . What was that like the day before you were doing that . Guest you interview everyone. I remember the defund the Police Effort when i was put on the assignment and the assignment was go find out if people understand what the meaning of defund the police is. It wasnt clear at that point what people meant, and it was interesting because different people had different ideas. Some people had no idea. Some people had very scholarly answers about how they wanted to approach this. Obviously talking to everyone including the graffiti poster and understanding why. Host thanks for waiting. North carolina, line for democrats, what is your question . Caller wind is everyone feel like trump can get away with anything he wants to . If i took papers from it and they asked for me to return those papers, if i didnt, why does it feel like everyone says trump the United States into it should just be written off . Host the documents case i guess is the focus of the question. Guest thats the argument that everyone is having. Many people will support trump. The question is why are we persecuting in former president and people understand and see that the Justice System should not give any favoritism to anyone are arguing know, pursue every action you can even if he is a former president. It has been the debate since they started this entire thing. Host a user on twitter mentioning Henry Cuellar talking about bob menendez or vice versa. Remind us of what happened last week with Henry Cuellar. Guest very similar to bob menendez, Henry Cuellar is facing charges for illegally taking an exchange or dealing with a foreign entity and exchanging favors for gifts. That is a very fresh indictment, we wont see anything for that for i imagine a year or so, but he is up for reelection and that is a very, very volatile see for democrats. Actually, its not really clear where democrats are going to fall on this. Host bl is sending a text from ohio yi guess what, we have another client and at the what mr. Menendez did was we were thin with mr. Trump did, asking the immediate they are going to cover it as salacious lee as they cover the other trial, the donald trump trial, saying please do. Less than two minutes left here. What did we get to yet, what stories are you covering this week . Guest i have a story out today about the nations security, the woman who had National Security background, how some of them are leaving. Both of them come from very tough district or swing districts with democrats. They flipped those seats in a 2018 and now they are seeking higher office. Abigail spanberger is running for governor and is running for senate. My question to some members on the hill was does this leave a gap in National Security conversations when some people are, specifically in the republican party, the chair of the Intel Committee are spewing russian talking points. Some of these lawmakers are essential and articulating to their colleagues what is necessary and how things are unfolding even though their colleaguhave access that they do. Host the headline, democrats are about to lose their mob squad. We always appreciate your time on washington journal. Guest thank you for having me. Host coming up, youre going to be joined by sarah hey, Washington University irregular terry regulatory study center. How the Biden Administration is trying to secure its regulatory policy ahead of the 2024 elections. But first, back to that question that we asked you this morning. Have you ever participated in a protest . Let us know when and where and did it make a difference . Phone lines split by age. Go ahead and start calling in now and we will get to those called right after the break. Announcer this year, cspan civil rights 45 years of covering Congress Like no other. 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That is happening at an event that will be airing on cspan two at the American Enterprise institute. One of those groups that is hosting that session on the debt and fiscal policy. That coverage beginning 9 00 a. M. Eastern. Cspan 2, the cspan now app and cspan. Org. This afternoon, jan easterly will be joined by other federal officials to discuss cyberspace and digital policy strategy. That being hosted by the Atlantic Council here in d. C. 6 00 p. M. Eastern today, a discussion on u. S. Defense priorities around the world and the role of military forces in it. That being hosted by the council on foreign relations. Now back to this question we ask at the beginning of the program today about protests. College protests in preparation for potential protests at National Conventions this summer, we are asking for your stories. Have you ever participated in a protest in your lifetime, and if so, what was the cause . Was it successful . We just want to hear your experience. 202 7488000 if you are under the age of 25. 25 to 55, 202 7488001. If youre over the age of 65, 202 7488002. Plenty of calls already, appreciate you already calling in. Tennessee first, this is joe, good morning. Caller i actually called to speak with your guest. Ive never been in a protest. With Martin Luther king, they had that marched in chicago, i didnt participate, but i was there watching what was going on. If i could make a, and about what i wanted to ask, you have a gentleman from North Carolina calling in talking about a case, why did mr. Trump get away with that . But nobody seems to focus on the fact that biden as a senator and other documents that he took, they let him pop out really easy. Host just coming back to the protests, do you think that protests make a difference . Is there a protest you can recall that made a difference . Caller them folks in chicago, let me tell you what, they had people being taken off the streets by 5 00 because of the impact that they made on what they had done walking down cicero avenue. They just rolled things over and destroyed. They made a big difference. Host akron, ohio. Mike, over the age of 65. What protests do you remember from your life . I was part of a protest, the very last antivietnam war protest that took place on the campus of Kent State University in the spring of 1972. I was still in high school when the 1970 protests took place. One more comment about 1970, i sister was on the campus in 1970 for that protest when the students were killed. I was still in high school. I will be turning 71 in a few months, so i will be 71 soon. Host how close was your sister with the shootings broke out . Caller she was a sophomore, i guess 20 years old. She was a few years older than i am. I got onto campus in the fall of 1971, so 15 months after the shootings took place. In the spring of 1972, the end of my freshman year, the antivietnam war protests, i was there actively involved. I made it heard i didnt want to be anywhere near a guy waving the flag of north vietnam. I was against the war but i was not for the north vietnamese. People back then didnt have cameras or cell phones, but there were cameras there from the local cleveland channel at that prote. I didnt wa to be seen anywhere close to somebody raising the flag of north vietnam. Host what do you think of protesters today unfurling palestinian flags or efforts to raise palestinian flags were american flags had been hanging and some incidents about that . Caller the to have the flag of palestine or whatever, that is fine with me. But they should not take down american flags in the process. Than i do not agree with. If they want to raise the flag of palestine, that is ok. I believe that israel has a chance, they need to have that homeland, but i am not a big fan of netanyahu. I believe that there is some compromise that could be reached. If i could makeone more comment host quickly because ive got a lot of folks waiting. Caller thank to the fall of 1972, ive been for the quite upset because nine out of 10 people on that campus wouldnt mcgovern. We took the defeat, there was no protesting the election. We got beat. I felt sorry for the handful of students on that campus who supported nixon because they were outnumbered 10 to one. But when the election was over, between election day and thanksgiving, i played this song by the bee gees called massachusetts. Massachusetts was the only state that voted for george mcgovern. My roommate got tired of me playing massachusetts for a few weeks. I got over it. I got over it, thats all i can say. Host out of the garden state, ages 2565. Go ahead. Caller when i was younger, the vietnam war protests. They seemed to be a lot more intellectuallydriven. I think what were seeing today is not protests. What i think we are seeing is like a misguided attempt for attention as well as just serious ignorance of the issues. All youve got to see if that the Lgbtq Community supports a system that is not friendly, and then on top of that theres the organization to this. This is not a Grassroots Movement. This is being organized and we are all being. Host so do you think the vietnam war protests were fully grassroots and not organized . Caller to a degree. Ive read articles about how i get the cia was actually involved in getting involved with student unions and stuff at the time. That was a little bit of organization, but that was far more grassroots than this is. Ive never in the day, people used to talk about it. People used to interact and say this is different. There is something seriously different about this, and it seems to be our official. Host there is a difference between then and now. We show this in erfurt segment today. This from the Gallup Organization, the question of have you ever felt the urge to organize or join a public demonstration about something . 39 of americans in 2022 responded yes to that question. That pole coming at the time in 2022 in the wake of the abortion decision. But that is three points higher than 2018 when pulling took place same question. 36 of americans saying they had the urge at some point organize or join public demonstration. Compare that to 19 62 five, just 10 of americans responded than and said that they had felt the urge to organize for joint a public demonstration. This is brandon in california on the line for those under the age of 25. Good morning. Caller good morning, everybody. I was at the ucla encampment, actually, and they really just wanted to say that theres is this message of how hateful and a lot of hate speech and antisemitism at this protest. I would like to say i didnt see any of that. Sometimes people arent fully informed on the issue but a lot of people are there just to learn. There is so much love, people from all different backgrounds just sharing their experiences. Fighting for their rights as human beings. So i think that it is very, very strang t messaging being spread around these in cabins and stuff. Host review at ucla overnight . I want to say it was early in the protest. There were hours of violence. Here is one of the headlines, warnings of violence at ucla, police didnt step in for over three hours, referring back to that incident. Were you there that night, april 30 . Caller i actually was not there. But even the headline, there was no violence there at all until the counter protesters came and tried to break in. We had counter protesters trying to break into the engagement for days. Warnings of violence is nonsense. We were so onto defense the entire time. Shadow to these organizers who really did a beautiful job of keeping it in an inside space and making sure that people werent being agitated. Shout out to them. Host what was going on inside behind those walls . We have so many news photos of the barricaded walls and the students looking over the top of those walls. What was happening on the other psych . Caller i helped build the barricaded eluded myself. Theres a lot of love but obviously people can get a little extra emotional, so the organizers are there making sure people are following the rules. We are not trying to engage with any of those counter protesters. Were just trying to free palestine. All eyes on rafah right now. I just want to counter some of that misinformation. A guy who called said that it seems artificial, but it is grassroots people from all over who have built these organizations that are local and now they have grown to national. Just calling that artificial is not what were talking about. Host you said you helped build the barricade at ucla. Why did you need a barricade . Caller its hard to tell in the videos, but theres people trying to break in constantly. One specific curlyhaired kid who has kind of gone viral saying that he wasnt able to go to class, i saw that guy there every single day trying to break in. So once again, just trying to combat some of that misinformation. Host what do you mean break in . Caller break into the camp and agitate, waving an israel flag. Once again if you are disagreeing with us that is totally fine if you want to have an open conversation, this guy is not there for open conversation. Host would you participate in another protest after your experience with this one . Caller i already have, so yes. Host you have another one planned . Caller i will definitely be showing up to free palestine every single day that i can. Host this is benjamin, virginia. That line for those over the age of 65. What if you protested . Caller i am 82 and the first time i protested, i was at Columbia University and i came from columbia to washington for the culmination of the great march on washington on the mall. So that was my first protest. Host and what with that experience, being at the march on washington, seen as one of the most historic road test moments in this countrys history . Caller it was fantastic. You could just see the huge crowds and it was peaceful. There was discussion of possible violence, there was absolutely no violence and so on. Of course, it was a Pivotal Moment in the history of civil rights in the United States. Host and were really standing at the march on washington, did you get one of those spots along the reflecting pool outside the Lincoln Memorial . Caller yes, i was maybe halfway down from where the speakers were, and i think it was on the left side. So thats where i was. Host what do you remember about Martin Luther king jr. s speech that day . How did you take it in the moment . Caller well, it was a long time ago. I was accelerated to be there and Martin Luther king was such an inspirational speaker, and that was one of his greatest speeches, and of course ive listened to it and read it since, but that is about all i can say at this point. Host you were at columbia, you said. What do you think about what happened at columbia earlier this month . Guest well, i think that the new president has been insufficiently supportive of the protesters. I do not think the police should have been called in. They were called in twice and all it has done is escalated the situation as i predicted to some of my classmates, and these demonstrations and encampments have spread throughout the country as a result. So for anybody who opposes these protests, it has had the opposite effect, it has made them so much more visible. Not just in the United States, but overseas as well. Post thanks for sharing your memories, appreciate it. Sticking with the 60s, one more article from todays paper. This is usa today talking about alfredo gutierrez, one of the latino leaders in arizona. 78 years old recognize recently for his life kind of Public Service. He was kicked out of university in 1968 for leading student protests on campus and ended up not graduating from Arizona State he finished his degree finally six decades later after he was forced out of school because of his cast activities on campus. And there is a picture of him being joined by the provost of the university at the convocation there on may 4, getting his degree six decades later. This is david in massachusetts. That line for those under the age of 25. Good morning. Caller good morning, how are you doing . Host doing well, where have you protested . Caller ive protested for black lives matter and also organized palestine and massachusetts. We had a caller who said that this is the grassroots. If theres any funding that i could tap into, i would love to get connected to that because weve been organizing musicians who are willing to donate their time and resources to raise funds. The idea that it is not grassroots has not been my experience. It has been a communitybuilding experience, and also at the same time, a very sad thing to come around, to know that our government is funding a genocide in the middle east, where there is a long history of colonialization and apartheid in palestine. It has just been such an experience to build Community Around this issue particularly in a time when is the most dire circumstances. Host where you at a specific school in massachusetts . Caller school, no. Host who is we and how did you get connected to that . Caller we is just the community members. And through union and through connections ive had in the past with other protesting organizations that have happened here in massachusetts. A lot of the people who were involved with the black lives matter protest iso are involved in the free palestine movement. Host in terms of musicians and people who donate their time, are the usually successful in those efforts, or is it harder to do . Caller it is and that requires a lot more planning ahead of time. I would say that we are successful with it, but to me, this isnt a Grassroots Movement because we have done that effort. Most of the money gets sent and some of the money is for local organizing expenses, but these are host that is the u. N. Relief agency that youre talking about . Guest yes, which america has defunded after some allegations were made. They had hamas members which was totally unsubstantiated. Following those allegations of a bunch of countries, there has been no evidence to support that claim. However, i dont believe at this time the binding iteration has restored funding. Also theres been attacks on other agencies the world food kitchen which was supplying much needed aid to the people of gaza. At this time it has just been this isnt a Grassroots Movement. I dont even understand where that would come from. In my opinion it hasnt been involved at all. That is what i would say about that. Host the al jazeera News Organization in an article recently explained which countries have cut their funding to that relief organization. David, thanks for the call. This is yolanda in North Carolina. Caller good morning. Host where have you protested . Caller i have protested in jersey at the age of 17. I also protested in raleigh, North Carolina. Host for what issue . Caller the issue in new jersey was a flash black male was attacked by police dogs and in raleigh, North Carolina it was for trayvon martin. Host tell us about being at those protests. Did you leave feeling that you had accomplished something . The first time i was a teenager and this black male, we did get results because of the protests. Trayvon martin, when they had the protests in North Carolina, i was very proud to introduce my daughter to civil rights and protesting. My daughter also protested with me for trayvon martin, and my daughter went to a protest for george floyd in raleigh, North Carolina. I was proud as a parent teaching her that we have rights in the United States. Host yolanda in North Carolina. About 20 minutes left here for your story about participating in a protest at some point in your life, just asking when it was, how you felt about it, did it make a difference . Ryan, pennsylvania, dying for his age 25 to 55. Caller i calling when i protested the stop the arena movement. Host and what arena are we talking about . Caller it was going to be built within chinatown in downtown philadelphia. It has been causing a lot of problems that is as it has pushed through. The traffic in the area is really bad. And i read an article came out this morning which is why im calling in. Suggesting that they put federal funds into the project, and over the last year, the letter has been very extreme. We what is going on as they are going to try to connect two chinatown areas and solve the issues of the expressway flooding, and also kind of cherry pick that as a way to subdue the community of chinatown. They are very, very against that. Host the article in the new york times, chinatown champion feared arena has long been squeezed by development projects. Is this the first protest you were involved in . Caller no, but after i was part of it i realized how important it was. The majority of the voices who were for the arena were not part of the community. Restaurant owners, a lot of large apartments. Chinatown discovered in small, freestanding homes, and if they clear that out, it pressures a lot of developers to put in housing that they can charge a lot more, and they will justly develop the area really quickly. But if you go, it does feel very historic. Something that really changed my mind about it, it isnt particularly safe in a lot of areas. But chinatown at night you see kids walking around, you see emilys around at night. Older people. That is not. Typical for a lot of people. I think that is in jeopardy of being lost if we replace it with Market Street. They are going to replace the Market Street Shopping Center with an arena, and if you live in washington, d. C. , they did the same thing with the arena. They do the same thing in other cities. It is kind of odd. Host this is marine in mobile, alabama. Line for those of the age of 65. Good morning. Im calling because im thankful that you are discussing this. I think it gets to the heart of free i think it gets to the heart of free speech in the United States. Im glad youre having callers call in. Theres only twice ive been involved in a protest. Once was about 10 years ago in mobile, alabama. People got together to support victims of violence and i walked with them t a walk with them, it was a walk. The other time was in 2017. I think that was the year that there was bastille Day Celebration in france and a van drove into the crowd, killing multiple people. And bystanders. And during that same spring or summer, police were killed in texas and one day i just thought, im going to stand on the Street Corner in mobile, alabama, and with a sign, pray for peace. And i did and others hong konged and joined in honked and joined in the next day and for about two weeks we stayed on that same corner, just holding signs, pray for peace. And peace on the streets. I felt like ordinary citizens should have a chance to stand peacefully in protest for whatever the issue is, including whats going on today about the conflict between israel and palestine. At the heart of it i think people are just tired of violence and war. Wherever it is in the world. Including ukraine, israel and whats going on there. I think people have a fear that its going to escalate into world war iii and people are speaking out all over the world in large crowds and if in our country these are suppressed, i dont think that were any different than china or russia trying to smother free speech. If speech should go into violence, thats a crime. When its intimidating others from going to class or destroying property or harming people, then i think that police force should be used but if people are camping out and they have their signs and theyre just trying to make statements, i think that should be protected. Host you have gotten the urge to pull out that old pray for peace sign in the midst of what weve seen recently . Caller yes, i have. But im a grandmother and im kind of afraid to be out on the streets because of violence and random violence and people attacking others who just the division in our country today. But i did that for i just thought for about two weeks, is there a way that regular people can show how, you know, advocate for peace or whatever their issue is. And then encourage diplomacy instead of bombs. Host maureen. This is loretta in huntersville, North Carolina that. Line for those ages 25 to 65. Go ahead. Caller yes, good morning. No, i have not ever participated in a protest. Although if i were probably 30 or 40 years younger, i may participate in protests that the point in support of the palestinians. But i think one of the earlier questions was whether these protests do any good. And i would say, absolutely. I remember in the beginning, right after october 7, when the u. S. News had started reporting and they had that narrative of drumbeat, you know, leading up to war. Basically portraying israel as the avenger for the hurt it had suffered. But once those protests got started, and the protesters made their voices heard, they were strong and they were insistent and they didnt back down, those that News Coverage changed and obviously, you know, the Biden Administration had to consider more than just the israel policy. They had to start considering the palestinians and the palestinian support. Because the people didnt back down. Host is that one of the best things that a protest can do, is change the media lens on a topic . Caller the lens, the media was, you know, basically following the Biden Administrations policy for israel. And therefore they started that war drumbeat that we always hear. You know, with one side rahrah and the other side being beaten down. And that changed when those protests started. Host well stay in North Carolina. This is brad in chapel hill, that line for those 25 to 65. Go ahead. Caller hi there. Thanks for hosting this conversation. Yes, ive been in many protests in the past, participating in many of the protests supporting womens rights to health care and in many of the black lives matter protests over the last eight years or so. Been very actively protesting in those. But more relevant to the recent conversations, for the past four years ive been quite active in protesting against the government of Benjamin Netanyahu. I happen to be an israeli american. And so ive been quite active protesting against my government there in israel. But doing the pro tests here doing the protests here. Since october 7, been very much on pins and needles and quite actively protesting in support of hostage release and an end to hostilities. Ill emphasize that i dont see myself and i dont participate in any form of counterprotests, im not a counter protesters against the current counterprotester against the current propa plan protests but propalestinian protests but im for hostage relief and end of hostilities. Host where you have done that . In chapel hill . What form has that taken . Caller the North Carolina area, in chapel hill, raleigh, durham, greensboro. And have been up in new york city and in washington as well. Host and in terms of counterprotests, the caller before you was talking about how protests can change the media lens of how a story is covered. Can counterprotests do the same thing . And bend the lens back . Caller i kind of push back at that narrative because i really dont view the situation or i feel that the media lens is having an overly polarizing effect in which everything is portrayed as either entirely propalestinian, quoteunquote, or entirely proisrael, when in fact i think people just are worried about looking for peace and looking for and worried about the escalation of war. And i think that there are many, many people, both on the israeli side, if you want to use those terms, and the palestinian side, who really want to live in peace and so, yes, im trying to and there are many people out there and i dont think that this gets enough media coverage, there are many people out there that really want to find peaceful coexistence and solutions. So thats why i dont im a very proud israeli and im a zionist, but when i do my protests im not out waving the israel request flag. Im israeli flag. Often my signs will have both palestinian and israeli flags on them because i want to say that both of our groups and both of our sides want to and can find a peaceful solution. Host thanks for the call. From North Carolina. Staying in the tar heel state, pwes measure city besimer city, this is mike. Youre next. Caller im a little on the other side. Im a counterprotester. In our local area of gaston county. Ive been to protests, antiprotests where these black lives matter, trying to remove history, Confederate Monuments, in fact. In dallas, North Carolina, stanley. I mean, these we just recently had a ruling from the court here, said that statue has nothing to do with justice going in there. That statue has been there and its just a little bit crazy on that. Host which statue are we talking about, mike . Caller a Confederate Monument, just for confederate soldiers who died during the civil war. And 97 of the soldiers who fought the civil war for the south did not own slaves. You know, they viewed it as states rights which is my opinion. But one other thing about this Palestinian Protesters, you know who the hamas and iran has all said that these Palestinian Protesters are all im not quite sure i dont understand that and the israeli saoeurbgsd you see the israel side, you see the israeli flag and the american flag. On the palestinian flag you see the palestine flag and the hamas flag and the iran flag and you even see the [indiscernible] flag. You know how they give trump down the road about, oh, they were protesters good on both sides, ok, biden said the same thing about these palestinian he caters to them, to the left wing of his party. Then he talks about the israelis. I mean, hes basically saying theres good people on both sides. Why is biden not held to the same that trump is . Host can i ask one more question before you go, on counterprotesting, you said youre a counterprotester. When you show up at these events, how much interaction do you try to have with the protesters that you are being a counterprotester to . Caller you cant. Its their way or no way. You cant talk civil to them. They get in your face. And they dont want to look at the other side of it. They dont want to look at my opinion. If its not their opinion, youre automatically a racist. And its just i mean, you can at same courthouse area theres a big black marble statue saying its like a long piece of marble formatterren luther kipping formatterren luther king for Martin Luther king. Martin luther king didnt do nothing for me and black lives protesters said the Confederate Monument didnt do nothing for them. I dont understand it at all. These iran, the big universes in iran said they would give every one of these Palestinian Protesters a scholarship to there. Lets take a lot of these people that are out there, lets send them over there. It wont be an hour, theyll be crying, wanting back in their mom and daddys basement because they dont understand, they dont take the thing, freedom of speech in this country. You can have freedom of speech host got your point, mike. Thats mike in North Carolina. James waiting in grand rapids, michigan. Those over 65. Caller good morning. Thank you. I attended a lot of protests in washington, d. C. , in 1970. Host what were you protesting . Caller the vietnam war, genocide, again. And im really proud of these kids now because its a question of morality in my opinion. Its a question of being complicit in genocide. And i dont want to be complicit in genocide again. Enough is enough. Ceasefire now. Host did you feel that your protests in the 1970s made a difference, james . Caller not enough of a difference, not a significant difference, really at the time anyway. But i was there when we carried coffins to the white house and it was powerful. And the demonstrations were i always went to the washington monument, to the mall and there were usually 10,000 to 40,000 people there on the weekends. And i was shocked that it never even made the news at home. You know . It was surprising. The media narrative is basically propaganda. You cant get real news anymore. You couldnt back then either. Host there was one poll from axius that said only 8 of college kids have participated in some of the current protests on either side, 8 . Do you think the media is overplaying or underplaying whats happening now . Caller well, i think theyre underplaying it, actually. As far as the war goes. And also, it bothers me that they call it the israelhamas war. Israel is a country with Nuclear Weapons and f14s. Were giving them f35s. I mean, come on. You know, this is so wrong and the whole thing about good people on both sides. You know, every demonstration i went to, the pro testers were the protesters were peaceful. Wed be chanting and passing joints and just, you know, having speakers and then here would come i guess they call them counterprotesters now. But i think they were plants, you know, or they were just people who were violent. And they would always start to cause violence. Theyd come with clubs and chains and what would happen is the police would come in buses. I mean, hundreds of them. And they had, you know, helmets and shields and clubs and they would they had gas masks and theyd line up and then these socalled counterprotesters would come out of nowhere and do this Little Theater thing with the chains and clubs and go after the police a little bit. It was like theater. It was like not real, you know. They pretend to go after the police and then the police would put on their gas masks and start ripping out tear gas and the demonstrators would just get up and walk away. Thered be men, women, children, pregnant women. Totally peaceful the and then totally peaceful. 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Why do we have it . Guest so the Congressional Review Act was enacted in 1996 as a way for congress to retain oversight of federal regulation and so its kind of an ex pabssive expansive law. It can cover any regulation, the broadest definition of regulation that we have, under the administrative procedure act. And so when regulations are disapproved using the c. R. A. , agencies are barred from reissuing them in a substantially similar format and the regulation is taken off the books immediately. Host maybe we should start with what are regulations . Guest absolutely. Host and who promulgates regulations and what is that process . Guest so regulations effect your everyday life. Its making sure the bacon you have for breakfast this morning is safe. Its making sure your dish washers are energy efficient. Regulations are issued by federal agencies to implement the laws that Congress Passes. Host why was it felt in 1996 that a Congressional Review Act was why do we need to renew these regulations if it goes through a big review process and a Public Comment process, when these regulations are being promulgateed . Guest thats a great question. This came following a Supreme Court case in the 1990s that eliminated the legislative veto and basically said that Congress Needs to pass laws to change Agency Actions and so the congress has the congressional re passed the Congressional Review Act to give them a fasttrack procedure for reviewing agency regulations. Host but its a procedure that hasnt been used very often since 1996. But was used a decent amount right after donald trump comes into office. Guest exactly. Host explain why and how its been used. Guest as you mentioned, it really was not used that frequently until 2017. We only saw one rule overturned in 2021. But then 2021 2001. But then when trump came into power, congress saw this tool and took advantage of it to overturn 15 regulations from the very end of the Obama Administration. Host what did they target . What regulations did they want to overturn . Guest they targeted regulations that really run the gamut of policy areas generally from labor and employment to finance regulations, to the environment, to education. And so they targeted regulations in those spaces. Host a Congressional Review Act overturning of a rule seems to be most useful for when an administration comes in of a Different Party and has a congress who can actually use this legislative power thats also of that same party of the presidency. Guest right. Host so compare when else this has been used then. How many other times since 1996 have we seen this been put in place. Guest as i briefly mentioned, we saw this used once at the beginning of the Bush Administration in 2001, overturning a clinton era ergonomics rule from osha and then the Biden Administration in congress in 2021 also used this to overturn three trump regulations. Those were one was environment, one was equal employment, those kinds of things. And so these administrations will use them to advance their Regulatory Priorities in that way and ill speak a little bit about why we didnt see anything at the beginning of the Obama Administration. Its because the c. R. A. Has been traditionally thought of as a deregulatory tool and we think that the Obama Administration was a little bit shy about using this deregulatory tool and preventing agencies from taking substantially similar actions in the future. Host i know its a small sample size, of how many rules have been overturned, but is it mostly environmental rules that get targeted . Workplace safety rules . What is usually the low hanging fruit for a c. R. A. Overturning of a law . Or rule, i should say. Guest thats a really good question. As we mentioned, the Trump Administration issued the most or congress under the Trump Administration passed the most of these c. R. A. Resolutions and those were targeting the labor space. But as i alluded to, they target really any policy area. But i think something thats interesting to note is that a lot of these rules are not major rules so a major rule is something that has an annual effect on the economy of 100 million or more every year. Only a handful of the rules that have actually been overturned by the c. R. A. Were major rules which is a little bit counterintuitive. You would think they would use such an easy tool to get a quick policy win on a big topic. But its really been more of these smaller rules that weve seen. Host whats an kpwafrpl of a major rule an example of a major rule . Guest lets think about something that just came out this past week. I think the federal trade commissions noncompete clause rule is likely a major rule, if i remember correctly. Because those are rules that have a large impact on the environment. Or on the economy. Host when were judging major, not major rules, its monetary impact and is it cost is usually what theyre going for or is it benefit as well . Guest thats a really good question. I dont remember off the top of my head, but i think it is just annual economic impact, whether that is costs or benefits. Host major rules and minor rules, whats the congressional review sabgt and how its been used, thats our topic until the end of our program this morning, sarah hay is our guest from george Washington University. Its the Regulatory Studies Center there. Taking your phone calls. As usual, phone lines split by political party, 202 7488000 for democrats to call in. Republicans, 202 7488001. And independents, 202 7488002. Shes one of the authors of a report on how the c. R. A. Has been used across administrations. What do you focus on at the regulatory senter . Guest were a nonpartisan Academic Center at george Washington University. We do that through studying regulation like these conversations were having here today. Host what is the best way to improve regulatory policy in your mind right now . If you were the regulatory czar of the Biden Administration . Guest thats a great question. Ill think about that and get back to it later. Host 202 7488000 for democrats, republicans, 202 7488001. And independents, 202 7488002. Was there a specific incident that jumpstarted the event law that became the Congressional Review Act in 1996 . What was happening at the time . Guest thats a good question. I mean, the politics at the time were the Clinton Administration was in power and there were republicans coming into congress but, yeah, im not 100 sure about that background there. What i can tell is you that the c. R. A. Has been really used effectively since then and Something Interesting to note as well is that, beyond being used to overturn regulations like this, members of congress use it as a political messaging tool to some extent where theyll introduce a resolution targeting an administration action, even though it might not Pass Congress or it might not be signed into law. Weve seen congress this session introducing a lot of these actions, targeting Biden Administration regulations and all of the ones that have passed have been vetoed by the president because presumably he doesnt want to overturn regulations issued by his own administration. So its another interesting facet of this tool. Host is there a statute of limitations on how long a regulation can be on the books before its safe from a Congressional Review Act review . Guest yes. Theres a couple components of your question here. Tpa eufrt first of all, first of all, the c. R. A. Has a 60day action window. Once an Agency Issues a regulation and its reported to congress, then congress has about 60 days to take action, give or take recess days. But then theres also the lookback period which is the end of a session of congress, the last 60 working days of the session, whether thats legislative days in the house or session days in the senate, congress can review those rules that are issued during that period in the subsequent session of congress. So those kind of have a grace period to give congress its full 60 days of review. So thats why the c. R. A. Is particularly potent during these political transitions that weve been talking about. Host for that time frame for how long you can do this, take us to what generally happens at the end of an administration or the final year of a potential administration that may not be reelected in the beginning of an administration. Specifically, coming back to that wall street journal headline, biden is racing to trumpproof his agenda. What is he trying to do here . Guest so as i just talked about, the lookback period. That period, those regulations are vulnerable in the next congress if there is a political transition. And so what weve seen the Biden Administration do this year, thats really unique, is they issued 34 economically significant rules in april, which is the most in our history of Data Tracking at the Regulatory Studies Center. And so you can kind of use that as a political signal for the Biden Administration that theyre trying to solidify their top Regulatory Priorities before the earliest estimates of that lookback window. The earliest estimate of the lookback window is late may this year. And so any regulations that are finalized before then are almost certainly safe from the c. R. A. Host questions coming in from social media. Jim in pennsylvania saying, i do hope your segment is replayed many times, every time someone says host in terms of how much the public pays attention to regulations versus how much congress and staff is paying attention to regulations, what do you generally see here . Is this a hot topic . Guest its definitely a to the topic in the regulatory space a hot topic in the regulatory space right now but regulations arent what we learn about in our government classes in high school. So i think its a great thing that these conversations are being picked up by your show, by wall street journal right now and really engaging the public in this law that used to be considered really obscure. Host linda in sanford, North Carolina. Independent. Linda, youre on with sarah hay. Caller yes, thank you for taking my call. And for the most part i dont agree with anything on cspan but for the most part, you know, i rate it about a 75. Host on agreement or disagreement . Caller about 75 yall are a little too liberal for me. I will be very honest. Because i am a 73yearold american. My family members and my husbands family members have fought and died and give their life for this country. And i agree with the topic today. Im going to stay on topic. Biden regulations and potential rollbacks under trump. Biden aint my president. And biden everything biden does, when trump gets back in there, hes going to roll it back. And those people are a bunch of thugs and all that, im going to get off the subject a little bit here, but all this protest stuff, october 7 and january 6, the same people. Host linda, i want to keep it to regulations. Because we have sarah hay here to talk about regulatory policy. How much, if this story is talking about what the Biden Administration ising trying is trying to do ahead of a potential Trump Administration, how much have candidate Donald Trumps staff talked about targeting specific regulations . How much are members of Congress Looking to target specific regulations . Guest which ones is the hard question because we dont know what is going to fall into the lookback period because we dont know when its going to be but what i can say is that ive heard from colleagues at the Government Accountability office that they are getting a lot more requests from members about whether certain things count as rules and could be subject to the c. R. A. Host this is dan in palm bay, florida. Republican. Dan, were talking regulations with sarah hay. Caller hi, yeah i wondering, i was wondering what regular laces regulations, what biden regulations are they planning on handcuffing donald trump with . I mean, dont they realize that Donald Trumps economy was way better than joe bidens . Everyone sees that. I mean, theres no denying that. Unless people were just tkhraourbal like your guest appears to be or shes host dan, i think our guest knows quite a bit about regulations. Handcuffing the next administration with regulatory policy, can an Outgoing Administration do that . Guest not really. So there are a couple different ways to overturn regulations, even beyond the c. R. A. And so those actually exist in all three branches of government. So agencies could start another notice in comment rulemaking process in which they, again, draft another regulation, receive more comments on it and issue another regulation that contradicts the old one and takes its place. Theres litigation is an option and then congress can pass legislation to say agencies can or cannot do these things, as well as using appropriations to say, thats a nice rule you got there, but you cant use any of your funding to implement it. So there are ways to overturn regulations. The reason were talking about the c. R. A. Right now is because of the approaching lookback window and how this is a much faster process than any of those that i laid out to overturn regulations. Host when you promulgate a regulation, you mentioned the comment period. Who generally comments on regular stphraeugs is it just industries that are impacted . Are there certain people that you keep finding pop up in the comments section, can any americans comment on any proposed regulation . Guest any americans can and should comment on proposed regulations. Thats a really great way to get involved in the government. And we see comments come from a range of actors, definitely industry groups, as well as nonprofits, a lot of them will organize what we call mass comment campaigns where it used to be called postcard campaigns where youd send in a postcard to the agency but now its a form letter you type in online at regulations. Gov and everyday americans, academics like us comment on regulations. And everyone can and should. I really believe thats a good way to get involved in the regulatory process. I can also mention that the Biden Administration has been taking steps to increase Public Engagement in the regulatory process through making opportunities for Public Engagement known through tools like the unified agenda and just being more cognizant of getting new stakeholders involved in the process. Host academics comments. You said we comment. So whats the last regulation that you commented on . Guest i actually commented on a Financial Crimes Enforcement Network regulation about antimoney laundering in residential real estate. I just thought it sounded interesting and it was a good way to practice using the bipartisan tools of regulatory analysis to assess these regulations and provide some feedback to the agency that they might not have considered. Host does the agency generally pull back a proposed rule after comments and make changes based on what people say . Or how often do they just say, thanks for the comments, and were going to go ahead with our rule anyway . Guest agencies are required to consider all of the comments that they receive and incorporate them into the final rules so youll see in the preamble of a regulation theres a long beginning of a regulation and it just talks about what the agencys trying to do and in final rules theyll explain the comments they received and what they did to react to the comments. Host so this is regulations. Gov. How does this work . Well show viewers the website. Its literally regulations. Gov. Easy enough to find. If a viewer wants to comment or find out what the proposed rules are, what do they do . Guest as you if you scroll down on the website, youll see that theres a bunch of these hyperlinks here and you can see theres a section on the side that should say comments due soon or Something Like that. So if you click on those, youll see a list of the regulations that are available for comment right now. Host including a proposed merger of anchorage Financial Network credit union located in chicago with Great Lakes Credit Union in illinois, a Community Reinvestment act. Agency information collections activities, proposals, submissions, etc. , and so on down the line. This is the regulation, the comments are due today on these pieces of legislation. Guest if thats what you clicked on, those are ones that are due today and you can navigate the website to find comment periods that are due further in the future and find the regulations that you really care about. Host if you were to click on one, you simply just type in what your comments are about it . Is there a word limit when you do it . Guest no word limit. You can type in whatever you want. You can add attachments. Ive seen a comment from an organization with up to 20 attachments linked to it. So you can add data and what the agencies really look for is data and your situated knowledge of how this regulation would effect you as a real person. Host regulations. Gov. Back to your phone calls. This is jacob in alexandria, virginia. Independent. Youre on with sarah hay. Caller my question is about schedule s. You know that o. P. M. Has a rule called risk, reduction in force, why wouldnt they just changed r. I. F. Rules instead of showing an executive order schedule . Host im not swhaour that question was . Do you know . Guest i know about schedule f but im not an expert on o. P. M. Regulations. Schedule f was a proposal from the Trump Administration to reclassify some federal employees basically as more similar to appointees and i know that o. P. M. Has started issuing some regulations regarding schedule f. Thats the extent to my knowledge on those policy issues. At the reg study center we focus on regulatory process rather than individual topics. Host the National Federation for federal employees talking about schedule f. A campaign to stop schedule f. To protect the Civil Service from political corruption. Saving the Civil Service act, h. R. 1002. Jacob, how are you how did you get involved in this schedule f issue . Caller i work with a bunch of federal employees who are freaking bout getting fired if trump gets elected or reelected. But theres something called the reduction in force rules in place which was issued by o. P. Phfrpt. It has all these complicated hoops you have to jump through. They cant be a veteran and if they have more years of service over someone youre trying to get rid of, you cant get rid of that person before getting rid of the person with more years of service. Every president complains about these rules but they never seem to change them and im wondering if its because it requires congressional review . Guest i think youre using the term congressional review slightly different than this act but it would be an area where congress could introduce legislation on the topic. Host congress can review anything at any time, is what youre saying . To reduce regulation . Guest i believe so. Host howard in North Carolina. Democrat, good morning. Caller top of the morning to you. Good conversation. We just had a person who said something about theyre not liberal and all that. But will this be considered under the c. Rfrpt a. Where c. R. A. Where the Biden Administration passed the pact act for the military and burn pitts . And pits . And do this all comes into the c. R. A. Wherein the republicans are giving rights to appliances and all that stuff, to give them rights to have . I mean, i know thats ridiculous, but appliances got more rights now than the women in america. And i thank you. Host i think it comes back to rules versus laws and what the Congressional Review Act is targeting. Guest exactly. Host if you can go over that again. Guest so what we learned from School House Rock is that Congress Passes laws and those laws then go to the agencies and the agencies figure out how to implement those laws by issuing regulations. And so those regulations are basically the specific steps that we take to make sure those laws are fulfilled. And so the Congressional Review Act specifically is a form of checks and balances. In which congress can take a look at those regulations that the agencies are issuing. Host barbara wants to go back to what regulations were talking about today specifically when it comes to the Biden Administration. As you pointed out, we dont know what if donald trump is elected and if theres a republican congress, what they would target, cant predict the future. But past is prologue here. What types of regulations do you think they would probably target . Guest yeah, i think just looking at the policy areas that were targeted by congress at the golf swing of the Trump Administration, we saw a lot of oversight on the labor regulations, financial regulations and environment and natural resources. And ill quickly note that those were interesting because those were from the department of the interior rather than the Environmental Protection agency. So looking at how we manage our natural resources. Host the Biden Administration rolled back many of the predecessors, the Trump Administrations achievements. Why would it be a problem if the successor rolled back many of bidens acts . Were talking about executive orders that were issued on the first day or the first couple days of the Biden Administration. We see this every new administration. So the difference between rolling back using executive orders and how easy that is, compared to the legislative process, through the c. R. A. Guest right. That gets into, theres all these different ways to enact policy and some of them are a lot more long they have a lot more longevity than others. So executive orders are very easy to repeal. They do a lot of that at the beginning of administrations. And then legislation is, i mean, its pretty hard to get something passed through congress. So laws are pretty hard to overturn and then regulations also have to go through the notice and comment process, again to get them overturned, unless we go through those other pathways we talked about earlier such as litigation or congressional action. Or congressional legislative action i should say. Host phone numbers again if you want to join the conversation about regulations, 202 7488000 for democrats. Republicans, 202 7488001. And independents, 202 7488002. Sarah hay is our guest of the regulator Regulatory Studies Center at george Washington University. How did you get involved in focusing on regulations as your day job . Guest honestly t just a job that opened up and ive since fallen in love with it. I think the thing that i find most interesting about regulation is that its not something you learn about in your High School Government classes. I really didnt understand the full extent of how regulation really makes the government work and is the nuts and bolts of making the government work every day. Something that im very passionate about is getting more people involved in the regulatory process and learning about this because this is how the government implements laws and how it works on the day to day basis. And so i think thats something really powerful and im really grateful that this program is talking to your viewers about regulation. Host was there one law that was passed that the regulatory promulgation around that law really interested you . Whats an example . Guest something recently has been, weve been seeing a lot of regulations coming from the Infrastructure Investment and jobs act lately. And so those have been a lot of i think environmental regs as well. And so i think thats been interesting to watch the process. We saw the politics play out of getting that law passed and now were seeing it come through in the federal register. Host are there regulations that the Supreme Court has overturned . Regulations [indiscernible] guest the regulations definitely do get challenged in the Supreme Court. Thats a little bit beyond the area of my expertise. I typically focus on how congress overturns regulations. But theres definitely evidence or those definitely go to the Supreme Court and theres also evidence that c. R. A. Regulations have been used in some litigation as showing congressional intent. Host explain what congressional intent is. Guest congressional intent is basically, what did congress mean when they signed this law into action . And that gets to the heart of regulation because agencies have to show where their regulation comes from in the law and say, this is why we are allowed to issue this regulation. And so the c. R. A. Resolutions recently have been used to show that, oh, congress disagrees with the agency issuing this regulation, thus that probably means that that was not their intent with the original legislation. Host can Congress Step in and do that before a regulation is promulgateed . If the c. R. A. Is used after a regulation is promulgated, is out there to kind of pull that back, is there a process midway through of, hey, i looked at regulations. Gov, that wasnt Congress Intent when we signed this bill into law, that regulation goes far beyond or 180 from what we wanted to do with this law . Guest members of congress can certainly submit comments on federal regulation and they do. But with the c. R. A. Specifically, it only applies to final rules, youre not allowed to use it on proposed rules. Host how long does that process usually take, propose a final rule . Guest i think it takes about two years on average but it can really vary. There are some that go through quickly and there are some that have been in the process for 10 years. Host to paul in columbus, ohio. Line for democrats. Good morning. Caller hi, good morning. I have two questions. First, what is the most regulated area or areas . And then second, Higher Education, how regulated is that area and what you see coming in the future . Thank you. Guest thats a good question. Regulation really does touch every aspect of american life. But particularly with regard to Higher Education i saw that a few weeks ago the Biden Administration issued a new regulation about student loans. So thats something that theyre trying to accomplish through the regulatory process as well. Host theres not one agency thats known to issue the most regulations . Guest theres a handful that issue a lot of regulations. Host what are some examples . Guest the Environmental Protection agency for one does a lot of regulating. You see a lot of regulating with centers for medicare and medicaid. These really big programs that you think of. But a lot of agency does a lot of regulating. Host everybody generally knows what the e. P. A. Or the Agriculture Department is. What is a lesser known agency that issues a lot of regulations . Guest thats a really good question. I dont know if its super lesser known but i know that Occupational Safety and Health Administration host osha. Guest yes, they issue a lot of regulations regarding workplace safety. Host max is next out of georgia. Independent. Good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you both for taking my call. Good morning both of you. As we look at these regulations, i think we have to remember two things. Just look at the constitutionality of them. If these are powers being taken by the federal government that should be in the realm of the state government, thats something we need to look at and really act upon rolling back and giving these powers back to the states and to the people. Second thing is that you have a concentration of people in washington, d. C. , who dont have much experience in the regular life out in the United States, in different states around the nation. They think of regulations or ideas that may not play well in d. C. But may not be too well received in different states. And thats another thing we need to look back. I dont have a problem with rolling back regulations. As long as we look at the institutionality of it constitutionality of it and if these powers are being usurped by the federal government or they should be up to the states. But thank you for taking my call and i appreciate it. Host thanks for that. State versus federal authorities here. Guest that would be a great thick to submit a thing to submit a Public Comment on. Agencies are always looking for more perspectives on how they look at their regulations so i would encourage you to submit Public Comments on those regulations that you question. Host is there such a thing as a Congressional Review Act, a state review act . Do individual states do what congress is allowed to do here when it comes to state rules . Guest im not sure. Thats a good question. In america we have 50 different systems of regulation in all of the different states so its a little bit hard to answer. Host when a resolution of disapproval is issued, when the c. R. A. Process has happened and Congress Says that they want to pull back this rule and the new president , generally new president , agrees with it, how long does the agency have to unravel that rule and are some rules harder to unravel than others . Guest yeah, thats a really good question. My understanding is that when a resolution of disapproval is signed into law, the regulation basically ceases to exist immediately. And then the agency will have to take time to take it off the books as well. But it ceases to be effective immediately. Host has there been a tkrfrplt r. A. Rule thats been c. R. A. Rule thats been pulled back that holds up other rules and so other rules have to be pulled back because this one now goes away . Are these rules built on top of each other to regulate a law . Guest i dont know that thats a case and i think that goes to something we were talking about earlier that its not been many major rules targeted. Its more the smaller regulations that certainly have a meaningful impact on people in those sectors but dont necessarily broadly effect the economy. And thats one theory as to why we havent seen the net neutralities or the waters of the United States targeted by the c. R. A. Is because they are expansive and could be hard town ralph and ill also note that the c. R. A. Only lets you target the regulation in its entirety. You cant pick and choose provisions of the regulation. And so you might take a look at something and say, oh, i really hate that provision, but i kind of like this other provision. And it might not be worth it to you to try to use the c. R. A. On that regulation, particularly since if a regulation is disapproved with the c. R. A. , the agency is barred from reissuing it in substantially the same form. Host what is waters of the United States . Guest that is a regulation that basically governs the navigable waterways of the United States. Host and one thats certainly a target a lot of controversy in recent years as i recall. Guest yes, its been a target of controversy and members of congress have introduced c. Rfrpt afrpt regulations c. R. A. Regulations targeting waters of the United States but not all c. R. A. Resolutions get a vote. Weve seen 330c. R. A. Resolutions introduced in congress but only 20 have ever passed. A lot of these are introduced and dont necessarily go anywhere. Host political messages . Guest to some extent, yeah. Host bill in albany, new york. Republican, good morning. Caller good morning. Good morning, thank you. Ms. Hay, i would like to ask you a question about executive orders, please. When President Biden came in on his first day, he did reverse many executive orders, right . From guest yes. Caller that President Trump had in place. The one that i think affected us a lot was the pause on drilling of oil in the United States, whether it was private land or privatepublic land. Government land. Whatever. And i looked it up and i read it and i saw through it and there is that executive order there that did pause and that was when he did it for the environmental issues. We had to get our oil overseas and the prices more than tripled and thats when we started inflation because the trucks that were carrying the gas, the food for the stores, they had to raise their prices and we all know that, if were all honest with ourselves. We know the prices went up. Now, is that pause still on from what i understand . Because i know were exporting oil now, right now, but is that drilling that paus for drilling still on the books in the executive order and if it is, why dont we take it off so the prices of oil come back down the way they were, they were at 2. 10 under President Trump. Host the question is, how long does an executive order last . Caller how long will this particular executive order is, it still on the books . Do you know specifically about the pause on drilling tphoeult United States . Oil in the United States . Guest there are so many executive orders issues, im not super familiar with that. They last as long as they are on the books. Some of them are really durable. Theres the executive order governing federal regulation, 12866, that has lasted since the 1990s. But then theres some that are less durable, like i think it was yeah, theres some executive orders that get overturned or removed every revoked every president ial administration. Host whitehouse. Gov, executive order on protecting Public Health and the environment and restoring science to tackle the climate crisis. January 20 of 2021. The first day of the Biden Administration. I believe thats the one that the caller was asking about. If you want to read up on that. White house. Com. You can white. Gov whitehouse. Gov. Caroline in baltimore. Democrat, good morning. Go ahead. Caller hi. Good morning. And thank you for cspan. I joined this conversation late but i love it. I dont think people understand the power of regulations. I worked on some from the Affordable Care act and when the Trump Administration came in, when they could not get rid of the Affordable Care act, they started displantling it dismantling it through regulations. They started zeroing out fines that were supposed to help go towards paying down our premiums. They started with risk corridors, they zeroed that on t and insurance agencies couldnt come up with their money. So we dont look at regulations, but when they cant get a way around a law or passing a law, regulations help them find a back door into doing what they need to do. And then also, one last comment. Because its public, i mean, Public Comments, i worked on shortterm limited duration as far as health care. The majority of people said, please dont back this away. But under the Trump Administration they pushed it through anyway. Im like, do people really read regulations and know how much really power is in the regulations . Because they can do whatever they want to and dont have to go through congress. And thats my comment. Host thanks for the call. Less than a minute left. Sarah hay, a chance to respond. Guest i think youre absolutely right that regulations are the backbone of government and its how government really implements all of these laws that get passed by congress. Yes, fully agree there. Host george Washington Universitys Regulatory Studies Center. You can find gwu. Eudu regstudies. Sarah hey serves as a policy analyst there. Also on x. Thanks so much for your time this morning. Appreciate it. Guest thank you. Host thats going to do it for our program this morning. Well of course be back here tomorrow morning at 7 00 a. M. Eastern. Its 4 00 a. M. Pacific. In the meantime, have a great monday. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. 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