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Pressing issues. The House Select Intelligence Committee hearing is nearly three hours. [inaudible conversations] the committee will come to order. Without objection the chairman to click a any time. Today, we come together to discuss the intelligence communities to 124 annual threat assessment. We begin with an open session and is been broadcast live and stream on the committees you tube channel. The open session is entirely unclassified all participants are reminded to refrain from discussing classified information or other information protected from public disclosure. On the conclusion of the open session we were recess and resume in the closed session in the Committee Hearing room at two p. M. Or immediately following the first vote series currently scheduled from 1 30 that you can come pick it his intention to proceed with us and without any disruptions. Any disruption of the committee will result in the United States Capitol Police restoring order and the protesters will be renewed and arrested. It is my pleasure to welcome a Renowned Group of Intelligence Community leaders during todays proceedings with with her from the honorable avril haines director of National Intelligence, the honorable William Burns director of Central Intelligence agency, the article Christopher Wray director of the federal. Investigation. General Timothy Hauck director of the National Security agent and command of u. S. Cyber command, and Lieutenant General Geoffrey Kruse director of the Defense Intelligence agency. I want to pause for a minute to get my personal thanks to director burns into director haines. A man and what you work with this commit over the past over a year now in both a bipartisan way, working with jim himes myself and all of our members making certain we have the information we need and being available for discussion on important issues. Ciate your contributions to the success of this committee and he wanted to recognize that. The annual threat assessment hearing provides Intelligence Community an opportunity to opt ecommerce and the American People and she is threats to. Intelligence committee exist tot the American People by informing policy and decisionmakers of the threats posed to National Security which includes Critical Infrastructure Economic Security cybersecurity Food Security of several of the components of National Security. Each year the world evolves growing more interdependent. Our. Our adversaries are aligning and emerging technologies are changing the operational and vibrant. We are in the midst of a shifting geopolitical landscape with strategic competition at the forefront. Now more than at any other time at least not since the cold war nation state threat to dominate the United States national rity concerns. Regime moscow and tehran are antiamerican and working together drastically regionally and internationally. These common adversaries overlapping i approaches example code russias invasion ukraine hamas attack an issue and continued iranian proxy assault in the region of the peoples republic of china regular military show of force threatening taiwan. Also concern is killing gangs recent test of the north green intercommunal Ballistic Missile based on the missiles flight data south korea and japanese assets are at risk and it has the potential range of striking the United States. This is a flagrant violation of United Nations Security Council resolution. Over the last year the committee has conducted numerous engagements both in and beyond the scif. One area that seems fragmented and make is a foreign domestic divide. There are heightened threats at the border in the home and is under constant assault whether it be from Cyber Attacks counterintelligenceea what is not clear is how the Intelligence Community communicates those threats to other federal state localtribal or private sector partners. The lack of clarity on this issue raises a question of whether the federal government is organized appropriate and prepared to defend the united the kind of threat seemed to be faced from our foreign adversaries here. On more than one occasion some of your publicly warned a threat still might security from the peoples republic of china the prcs compromise and maintain persistent access to u. S. Critical infrastructure. As stated in unclassified cybersecurity advisory published to the public last month drcs targeting and as compromise telecommunications energy, transportation and water sectors. To quote this advisor in some cases the cyber actors had have been living inside Information Technology networks for years to preposition for disruptive or destructive Cyber Attacks in event of a major crisis or conflict. Remember the advisory states that this activity has been going on for years and that really if i think the threat we need to rise to is an understanding that this is not a new phenomenon of the prc targeting assets and infrastructure of the United States. In addition to preposition in Critical Infrastructure, china seeks to be a world power in science and technology by any means possible. This possesses this, this poses a significant counterintelligence threat. China is attempting to advance as a Technology Superpower by offering investment and inquiring or stealing intellectual property in feels like power and energy, artificial intelligence, biotechnology, agriculture quantum computing and semiconductors. Russia continues an unjust war against ukraines sovereignty bolstering its defense production by leveraging relationships with china and iran. We should not forget north korea munitions factories are supplying russia with weapons and artillery shells to use against ukraine. We look forward to furtherghts on russias Nuclear Posture directed Energy Weapons come at a selected those in space and ground based at the satellite missiles designed to target u. S. And allied satellites. Iran does also benefiting from closer ties with china and russia has built and funded and network of proxies to promote irans regional objectives. Irans support of hamas attack in israel continues to back hamas. I ran provides weapons and intelligence for terrorist attacks on u. S. Personnel installations in the region and terrorist attacks on the Global Supply chain transiting the red sea. Last year during the annual threat assessmt hearing i set forth the committees plan for the reauthorization of fisa section seven at you. And the next amount of Committee Work has been into our bill reforming fisa. We produced a strong bill that puts in place the appropriate compliance guardrails and provides the tools necessary to protect our country. We know the imptance of this authority and we know the danger to america and our allies if the Intelligence Committee does not have the capability to from fisa 702 collection. There is a perceived lack of accountability that is the most troubling aspect for congress and the American Public to trust the Intelligence Community and that the Intelligence Community is doing the right thing reporting wrongdoing, taking responsibility correcting actions and monitoring actions. That what our fisa bill aggressively reforms the fisa process to address past abuses. In the face of all these challenges the corec mission stands which is give 54 threats and provide warning to protect americans. Our Committee Oversight work takes this racers and we continually examine areas for improvement and provide Bipartisan Legislation solutions as needed. Today with her questions from our members on various interest areas and the respect the time ask all of you be direct at the scene. With that of affording the answers from our esteemed panel at a vacant eyes by Ranking Member for his opening remarks. Thank you mr. Chairman and welcome to our distinguished panel and in particular general hawk and general accrue sort joining for the first time. This annual hearing is a vital part of our oversight. Its a unique chance for the public to her directly from each of you about the icy assessment of a range of threats and issues. The stuff we hear every single day behind closed doors. The world can sometimes feel as though its straining under the weight of conflict. Putins ongoing assault and you can come the peoples republic of china saber rattling a democratic taiwan, the ongoing crisis in gaza come to dream situation in haiti i could go on. My point is we need public to see a dedicated and objective Intelligence Community that can soberly present these complicated threats andchallenges based on fact and rigorous analysis. We are fortunate to see this daily on on a classified basis and in no your parents t w that. I will return to this dreamlike questions but we were amid another president ial election. In previous federal campaign cycles we know foreign powers have attempted to interfere and the latest, the assessment by the ic says its a possibility that they may do so again. We need to ensure and in no way do i discussed any of the catalog ofirman lee. Com i agree with them in their entirety but we need to ensure in particular that foreigners stay out of american elections period. And we need the community to credibly collect against and what the public when they determine such malign targeting our political process are occurring. We will be focused on this threat in the months ahead. Please this committee was the opportunity to receive a classified update next week at the working level. As the eye sees assessment layette weve seen pass interference efforts by russia, china and iran among others of different sorts and with every reason to believe that some or all of them will try again. Im particularly concern that putin is exp opportunities because he has already done so in part and because he has a lot to gain. I hope youll give us a sense oeaders calculus may look like as will a set of other potential actors. Ill also note that this will be the first general election in the air of generative ai, which can create realistic video photos audio and text at a scale and sophistication that was unimaginable just a year ago. We need to be ready. The ics job is to focus its collective powers outward to protect our nation but i feel strongly some of the greatest threats to our security and the World Security unfortunately our home grown. I fear we are slouching towards an election in which decisions will be made based on what excites us, what enrages us, what in raptures as, that we will substitute for the critical faculties that are essential for a citizen and democracy a selfsatisfied scratching of our prior beliefs and political opinions. I, constituents regularly that you will all work very hard. We will work hard you try to take down the temperature and restore civility and intelligence of our politics, but at the end of the day americans and their decisions about how people act as citizens of a democracy will get the democracy that they deserve. Are faltering with a continued failure to support ukraine. The russian leaders has been emboldened to believe he can snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. Our ukrainian partners have fought with incredible courage against the russian war machine and then when victories that were beyond anyones expectation. It appears however that we have lost our nerve at the critical juncture. Director burns you recent return from another visit to kyiv. I hope you will share some reflections on whats at stake and urgency with which we need to act. Finally, as the chairman said and in the category of selfimposed crazies i am deeply concerned section 702 of fisa expired in just over a month and thus congress ask because he icy winds can attest, 702 is her most important Intelligence Authority and wendy to reauthorize it right away. I appreciate all the work the witnesses at the table and done to help make that the c yet. Before getting back to the chair but i like to touch briefly on Technology Adoption and innovation in the ic. O report on the topic some years ago. For all of chinas strengths they cannot compete with the entrepreneurial cretion that we regularly achieve here in the United States. Getting that innovation into the ics mission and judit is going to defy our success over the next decade. We spent a lot of time in this place abating with a capital should flow, how ip should be protected, whether we should shut down a chinese own social media platform. The merits of those efforts are open to debate, but if we continue to integrate the way we always have, we will win. So i thank you all for being here. X i lill hopefully be a very alley procession for the American Public and i yield back. I will now turn to april 8 come director of National Intelligence will be presenting the opening statement. Thank you so much, chairman turner Ranking Member himes members of the committee. Thank you for the opportunity to be here alongside a wonderful colleagues to present the ics annual threat assessment. Before i start i want to public thank the people of the Intelligence Community from the collector to the analyst and everyone in between. We are presenting the results of their labor at this hearing. They worked tirelessly everyday to keep our country safe and prosperous and were all very proud to represent them. And also want to take the opportunity to thank all of you for the extraordinary support that you shown to the Intelligence Community. The ics relationship with its oversight committees quite obviously is critically important edge all work with us on aipartisan basis that is especially inspiring in todays environment, and were grateful for your encouragement and for your wisdom. Today, the United States faces an increasingly complex and interconnected threat environment characterized i really three categories of challenges. The first is anelerating strategic competition with major authoritarian powers that are actively working to undermine the rulesbased International System that the United States and our partners rely on for trade commerce, the free flow of information and accountability to the truth. The second category is a set of more intense and unpredictable transnational challenges such as Climate Change, corruption, narcotics Trafficking Health security terrorism and cybercrime that often interact with traditional statebased political, economical and security challenges. The third category is regional and localized conflicts that have farreaching and at times cascading locations not only for neighboring countries but also for the world. And all three challenges are affected by trends in new and emerging technologies, environmental changes and economic strain that are stoking instability and make it that much more challenging for us to forecast the development and their implications. These dynamics are putting unprecedented burdens on the institutions and relationships that the United States relies on to manage such challenges, and perhaps more than ever highlight the need for sustained u. S. Leadership to uphold the rulesbased order. And i will just touch on these three categories of challenges starting with strategic competition in china. In an effort to provide some context and highlight some of v the intersections. President xi continue to envision china as a leading power on the world stage and chinese leaders believe it is essential to project power globally in order to be able to resist u. S. Pressure for their convinced that the United States will not tolerate a powerful china. Nevertheless the prc seeks to ensure china can maintain positive ties to the United States and will likely continue to do so this year. As this seeks to build a relationship is to the capacity to attract our direct investment. Fact boosting the domestic economy is a fundamental priority for president xi yet he appears be doubling down for longterm Growth Strategy that will deepen public and investor pessimism over the nearterm with youth unemployment around 14. 9 , no major stimulus aimed at consumptione local dance and a Property Market contraction 2024 is likely to be another difficult year fornas economy, all against the backdrop of an aging and shrinking population and slowing economic growth. President xi is counting on chinas investment in technologies such as advanced manufacturing and robotics, official intelligence, highperformance computing to drive productivity gains and spur growth in the future. Yet hes increasingly concerned about the United States ability to interfere with chinas technological goals. Consequently an effort to protect and promote chinas capacity to compete technologically, which president xi views as fundamental to his longterm Growth Strategy, prc leaders modified their approach to economic retaliation against the United States over the last year imposingly some tangible cost on u. S. Firms even as they continue to moderate such actions to avoid domestic costs. And chinese leadership is for the more pursuing a strategy to boost chinas indigenous innovation and technological selfreliance, expand their efforts to acquire steel or compel the production of a lecture property and capabilities from others, and continue to engage in coercive behavior to control critical global sup relevance. In the meantime president xi is emphasis on control and central oversight is unlikely to solve the challenges posed h by chinas endemic corruption, demographic decline, and over the coming year tension challenges and chinas aspirations for greater geopolitical power will probably become all the more apparent. Give it its ambitions beijing will continue to use its military forces to intimidate its neighbors and to shape the regions actions in accordance with the prcs priorities. We expect the pla will feel more advanced platforms the ploy new technologies and grow more confident in joint operations with a particular focus on taiwan and the western pacific. The role and tender for chinas growing dr. Fords and Cyber Capabilities in this effort and ultimate intent behind unprecedented growth in these areas remain priorities for us in the ic and are not unrelated to the actions in russia. President putins war of aggression against ukraine continues unabated. Ukraines retreat and a struggle to stave off further territorial losses in the past few weeks have expose the erosion of ukraines military capabilities and the declining availability of external military aid. The assistance that is contemplated in the supplement is absolutely critical to ukraines defense right now and without that assistance it is hard to imagine how ukraine will be able to maintain the extremely hardfought advances it is made against the russians, especially given the sustained surge in russian ammunition production and purchase from north korea and iran. Meanwhile, president putin is increasingly increasing defense spending in russia, reversing his longstanding reluctance to devote a High Percentage of gdp to the military as a looks to rebuild. And in many ways this is profit by the fact russia has paid an enormous price of the war in ukraine. Not only has russia summit or military losses than at any time since world war ii, roughly 300,000 casualties and thousands of tanks and armored combat vehicles setting them back years, it is also precipitated finland and swedens membership in data which putin this requires an expansion of russias ground forces. Putin continues to judge that time is on a site and almost certainly assumes that a larger better equip military will also serve the purpose of driving that point home to western audiences. Such messaging is important because putins strategic goals remain unchanged. He continued to see nato enlargement and western support to ukraine as reinforcing his longheld belief that the United States and europe seek to restrict russian power and undermine him. And, of course, in the meantime russia continues to fortify its Nuclear Weapons capability even though it maintains the largest and most diverse Nuclear Weapons stockpile, and we remain concerned moscow will put at greater risk longstanding global norms against the use of asymmetrical strategically destabilized weapons including in space and in the cyber another critical intersection where monitoring is the relationship among the governments of russia, north korea, china and iran which is evolving as these four countries expand collaboration through a web of bilateral and to some cases bilateral arrangements. This growing cooperation willingness to exchange eight in military economic, political and Intelligence Matters enhances their individual capacities enabl them to cooperate uncompetitive actions assistant to further undermine the rulesbased order and gives them each some insulation from external international pressure. Nevertheless we assess these relationships will remain far short of formal alliances or multilateral access, parochial interest desire to avoid entanglements, and wariness apart and stability for each others actions will likely limit their cooperation ands incrementally, absent directing coffee between what of these countries and the United States. Nevertheless the power dynamicshem and this is creating new challenges. In particular russias need for support in the context of ukraine has forced it to grant some longstanding concessions to china north korea and iran with the potential dynamite among other things longheld nonproliferation norms. And as a noted in the beginning intensifying transnational challenges or interacting with his more traditional threats. For example with the advent of generative ai, state and nonstate actors were interested in conducting for one polite influence operations no longer need to master a new language or create potentially come to create potentially believable false content. And the threat of maligned actors exploiting these tools and technology to undercut u. S. Interests and democracy is particularly phone as voters go to the polls in more than 60 elections around the globe this year. We have also a massive increase in the number of Ransomware Attacks globally which went up roughly 74 in 2023 from 2023 from what it in 2022. Use entities with the most heavily targeted. Many of these are conducted by nonstate actors with their russiabased cyber criminal group, like bed remain the most popular Ransomware Services as a provider. Sorkin ransomware is a service provider. Locket was responsible for nearly a quarter of all claimed attacks worldwide leading to a joint effort by 11 countries to seize its resources and take them its online domain. Transnational criminal organizations in human smuggling operations increasingly exploit migrants through extortion kidnapping and human trafficking. And in particular the threat from illicit drugs remains at historic with mexican Transnational Criminal Organizations supplying and moving large amounts of synthetical goods such as that no into the United States. Have died from drug related overdoses during the past year and most of those deaths have been attributed to elicit fentanyl. As such the threat from health and welfare of Everyday Americans remain a top priority for the Intelligence Community. In the third category with multiple regional conflicts with farreaching implications press no more obvious even in the middle east. The crisis in gaza is a stark example of a Regional Development have the potential for broader and even global implications. Now, having lasted for more than five months, the gaza conflict has roiled the middle is with renewed instability present new security paradigms and humanitarian challenges while polling in the range of actors. The conflict has prompted new dynamics even as it is entrenched old one. We continue to assess that hezbollah and iran did not want to cause an escalation of the conflict that pulls us or even a dent into a format war. Yet, the houthis entered the war and were willing to do so without iran acting first becoming one of the most aggressive actors in the conflict. The iranian aligned militia groups and if i can see that of an attacking our forces have more focus on the United States and israel using the conflict as an opportunity to pursue their own agenda. Moreover the crisis has galvanized violent and range of actors around the world and what it is too early to tell it is likely the gaza crisis will have a generational impact on terrorism. Both alqaeda and isis inspired by hamassupporters to conduct attacks against israel and u. S. Interests, and we seem how it is inspiring individuals to conduct acts of antisemitism and islamophobic terror worldwide. In this third category of regional and local as catholics we have many more we might discuss include haiti what is happening in eastern democratic republic of congo and the list goes on. This brings me to section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act as was mentioned, which will expel on april 19 with that congressional action. The intelligence gathered pursuant to section 702 was essential in preparing this annual assessment and is absolutely fundamental to every aspect of our work. Section 702 provides unique insights into foreign intelligence target such as for emphasis terrorist organizations including hamas weapons proliferators proliferators, spies malicious cyber actors and fentanyl traffickers. It does so at a speed and reliability that we simply cannot replace any other authority. As Congress Pursues reauthorization, we understand there would be reformed and we support those to bolster the complaint and oversight regimes in place today while preserving the operational agility that is vital to keeping the nation safe and we know how much this committee has worked on that option. We thank you very much and look forward to your question. Thank you director haines. I also want to thank directorburns, director haines, directorate and, of course, former director of nsa nakasone or your assistance and the process that this committee undertook in our 702 reforms will and reauthorization. The reforms that are in that bill this can you worked very diligently responding to each of the areas and will be found abuses and this bill not only continues the ability for the Intelligence Community to collect intelligence on foreigners abroad, not american citizens foreigners abroad, it also addresses the concerns that we had and the concerns that been part of the public discussion in congress of the abuses. I appreciate the fact that you have not only cooperate with this but youve assisted us in the overall process of drafting that and in advocacy for it. People who want to do america harm have entered the country illegally and are here. Now, you have continues to cite that warning and id hike you have continued to cite that warning. And you believe that we are at a significant risk now here, from the possibility of a terrorist attack. I believe that the terrorist threat level that were contending with right now is at a whole other level from an already heightened terrorist threat level that we were seeing even before october 7. And i say that before a variety of reasons. First, youve seen a veritable rogue gallery of Foreign Terrorist Organizations calling forrist attacks against us in a way that we havent seen in a long, long time. And these are terrorist organizations, as this c dont see eye to eye on much, but they seem to see eye to eye on this. I would add to that, that we are very concerned about the risk of inspire spd attacks lone actors here inspired be by some of those same calls for violence from over in the middle east. And so this is the a time not for panic but for heightened vigilance given the rice the racing. Director,. Director, im going to scu you a couple questions about the fbis role in designating individuals as known terrorists, suspected terrorists and on the nofly list. When there are concerns that an individual might be affiliated with a terrorist organization or have the intent to undertake a terrorist attack, there are designated categories, known terrorists suspected terrorists nofly list and selectee. Could you describe the fbis role in those designations . So the fbi maintains the socalled terrorist watch list, the known or suspected terrorist list based on information that comes from a variety of sources. That could come from fbi investigative work, but very often a it comes from information from our from our intelligence partners. Or from other sources other agencies. And so thats when the socalled drog the derogatory information about the individual, puts them on the list. And then armed with that list, thats what allows us to engage with dhs as aunning as theyre running names when they come in. Who with designates someone on the nofly list . Well, the difference between nofly list and the selectee list i guess i would say is they are both individuals who based on the list dont fly or shouldnt fly and then there are those who are identified for heightened screening. And it, an interagency process determines whos in which category. Whats the fbis role in that . Well, the fbi contributes its own threat intelligence, and obviously, maintains the watch list i and the nofly list is maintained by the fbi . Thats my understanding. Have any individuals who are known terrorists, suspected terrorists or who are on the nofly list presented themselves at the southern border or been apprehended crossing illegally into the United States . We have seen over the last, i think, five years an increase in the number of ksts or known suspected terrorists attempting to cross the southern border. Have individuals on the knownist list, suspected terrorist list on nofly if list presented themselves at a u. S. Airports once entering the United States, attempting to fly . I believe twer to that is yes as well, although i dont have that right in front of me at the moment. Have they known . Flown . If. Well, there may have been instances where as part of an investigation if in close coordination in order to be able to potentially ap somebody somebodys allowed to fly in order to see where theyre going and then take action. But not intentionally. Have individuals on the nofly list been permitted to fly . I believe again depends on what time period youre talking about, but i believe there have been individuals where in coordination with investigators and other agencies, an individual that we want to see where theyre going is and be able to potentially arrest them, that there may have been situations where somebodys allowed to fly in that a role if someone presents themselves at an a u. S. Airport with the intent to fly that is on the nofly list, the fbi involved in permitting them to fly or down graigd their status the for them to fly . Not. No. Well we provide information to the agency, the dhs agency thats involved at the airport screening, but the decision to allow them to fly is not ours. Are you notified if someone prosecute nofly list shows up and wants to fly . Certainly most of the time, thats my understanding yes. Thank you. Director burns director haines, ukraine is a significant issue for the United States as we are unfortunately, in a position where we are caught up in the legislative process that has not yet resolved the issue of continued u. S. Support for ukraine as they struggle on the battlefield against russia and ukraine, russian aggression. Director burns, there are still individuals who claim that this war, this aggression by russia where theyve invaded ukraine is about russia wanting to prevent ukraine from being in nato or perhaps if even that russia instigated this incursion by russia or that russia itself is trying to counter nato in ukraine. This conflicts much more than that isnt it, director burns . If help us understand this conflict youve served as the u. S. Ambassador to russia, you know putin well. Youve seen the intelligence. You have been active in working with ukraine and this administration on this issue. What is this conflict about and what is putin seeking in ukraine . I think what Vladimir Putin seeks, what caused him to launch his brutal and unprovoked invasion about two years ago was his fixation on subjugating ukraine and controlling its choices, much broader than the issue of nato. I think putin and ive heard him say this many times in the past believes that ukraine isnt a real country that its weak and divided and what ukrainians have done is demonstrate that a real countries fight back. And so i think theres a great deal at stake today in the supplemental assistance that the congress is considering. Theres a great deal at stake not only for ukrainians and European Security, for our longterm interests around the globe including in the indopacific. Do ukrainians want to be part of russia . Im sorry . Do ukrainians want to be part of russia. The vast majority of ukrainians especially reinforced by putins to be a part of a sovereign and independent ukraine. Thats why theyve fought with such bravery and valor with our support which has been incredibly important and remains incred write important to their success. In other words if there was support in ukraine for russia, wouldnt we have during this conflict seen is an insurgency, some uprising of individuals who were carrying the cause of russia is . And weve not seen that in ukraine, have we . No. What youve seen is incredible bravery and valor as i said before, on the part of ukrainians which have demonstrated their commitment to a sovereign independent democratic ukraine. In the areas where russia has taken ukraine territory has there been peace . Are the people there safe . How is russia treating ukrainians once they incorporate a territory . They are treating them as second class citizens with a fair amount of are of repression as well. Just like, i would add they treat many of their own citizens. Director burns tell us of some of the war crimes that have occurred against the ukrainian people. I think, you know, one of the most vicious of those crimes has been the illegal transportation and abduction n effect, of ukrainian children. I think thats the one that, you know i think strikes at all of our hearts as well. If this is about nato, director burns would putin be kidnapping children in ukraine . No. As i said, i dont think this is just about nato, its about that a wider fixation that putin as about subjugating ukraine. Director haines, tell us what in your review of the intelligence, what is this conflict about . Oh, i think director burns stated it well. Certainly about subjugation of ukraine, but also, i mean, one of the things thats very consistent with in that putin believes the greatest tragedy of the 20th sent arely is the breakdown of the soviet yoon on. He perceives that they lost a tremendous amount in that context and i think does not want to be the leader that loses even further influence over those states that were a part of the soviet union and in fact, wants to bring it back to its former glory. And i think the other aspect of this that is behind, you know, the importance of our conning to support ukraine in their extraordinarily courageous acts in countering russia is china is also watching whats aping here. And i thinks one of those scenarios where its china sees that were able and we already overexceeded, i think their expectations in terms of coming together with europe and actually countering russia in th they see that resolve weak within and and our inability the maintain assistance, that is going to be a lesson that theyre going to learn for own assertive efforts in their region. Director haines, tomorrow if ukraine or nato or the United States said no nato for ukraine would this be over . No. Director burns we have, unfortunately, taken a significant amount of time for congress to act for ukraine aid to be approved. We have stood by ukraine we have provided the weapons that they have needed, that they have fought we have not fought, they have fought to counter russian aggression with great loss. What is our a delay costing now . If what is happening on the battlefield, and is ukraine at a discuss advantage because we have not approved aid in. Yes is the short answer. You know, i came back a couple of weeks ago from if my tenth visit to ukraine during the course of the war and in conversations just with president zelenskyy and with our intelligence counterparts and Ukrainian Military officers, i was struck by several things. First, ukraine is not running out of courage and tenacity, theyre running out of ammunition and were running out of time to help them. I was briefed on a battle which caused a rushed withdrawal of the Ukrainian Forces about two days before i arrived in kyiv. And one of the senior ukrainian partners within the battle told me that our men fought as long and hard as they could but we ran out of ammunition, and the russians just kept coming. And what i worry about in 24 without supplemental assistance is that youre going to see more of these cities. Ukraine is going to lose more ground. Notwithstanding their courage and tenacity. And and maybe significant ground over time. And as director haines said, i think that that has consequences for american interests that go well beyond ukraine and European Security they go directly to our interests in the indopacific. I think theyre likely that kind of an outcome will stoke the ambitions of the chinese leadership and their going to undermine the faith that our partners and allies in the indopacific if have in our reliability as well. Nce, however, i think it is possible to cement a strategic success for ukraine, for the west and a strategic loss for Vladimir Putin. To defeat him in his goal of subjugating ukraine and controlling its choices. To position whereby the end of 2024 it can regain the initiative on the ground but even more importan relative strength. With putins russia. I dont think putin is serious today about negotiating. He may be interested in the theater of negotiations, but hes not interested in compromise hes interested in negotiations where he can dictate the terms. Without supplemental assistance, i think thats the future that a ukrainians could face a year from now. With supplemental assistance, i think its possible to puncture his arrogance his confidence that time is on his side and put ukrainians in the position where they could negotiate an outcome from a position of relative strength an outcome in the which, as i said, putins goal is defeated, ukraine remains a sovereign, independent state anchored in western institutions and has the time and the security to recover while russia saw has to longterm russia as to live with the longterm consequences of putins foolish and brutish invasion of ukraine. Last question. Are there there are people in congress who support aid for ukraine but believe i believe mistakenly that we have time, that this is not at a create call juncture, that we can take our anytime approving this aid. Director burns director haines, are they mistaken . I think as a i said before, mr. Chairman, the ukrainians are running out of ammunition. I saw that in the description of what happened, theyre running out of munitions for both air defense and artillery. One of the ukrainian brigades that fought, i was told in the two days before they were the forced to withdraw at a grand total of 15 155 munitions for the entire by e divide of Something Like 500 personnel. Another brigade that had a grand total of 42 mortar rounds. Its not that they didnt fight with courage and tenacity, its that tehran out of ammunition. You can already see the Ukrainian Military rationing ammunition. You can already see them becoming more absolutely number to russian attacks from the air from drones, from missiles, from aircraft. And thating see i think without providing them the munitions that theyve used so effectively in the past and which i believe are the key to a serious negotiation down the road. Director haines . No, i have nothing more t that. I mean, i think it is urgent. [inaudible] thank you, mr. Chairman. And i particularly appreciate your highlighting the urgency of this house acting to support the ukrainians. Much is in the balance so thank you for doing that. I do want to turn my attention to the topic i previewed election interference. But since the chairman brought it up, i want to just spend a minute or two on the southern border. And let me state the up front that every country needs a secure border, but i also think its important that we put into context in a hearing called threats what the threats are from the southern border relative the north korea pandemics, russia. China Cyber Attacks you name it. So director wray, i guess ill start with you. Give me a time period, choose a time period, 5 or 10 years over a 5 or 10year period what percentage of domestic terrorist attacks in this country were undertaken by groups of undocumented . Of domestic attacks here domestic terrorism. You mean attacks here in the United States exactly. Right. I dont have a percentage. If a large number of them have been conducted by what we call hvs, home grown violent whats the number one category of those who perpetrate domestic terrorist events, number one category . Well, again the number one category of terrorist attacks here are lone actors in small cells or small groups with using readilyaccessible weapons im asking, what im trying to get at a here, lone actors, are they undocumented . What percentage of domestic terrorist attacks are undertaken by the undocumented . I dont have a percentage. Can you is it 50 . No p. Is it 25 . I would be surprised. Be surprisedded. Okay. What percentage of the fentanyl that enters this country comes on the backs if you will, of the undocumented relative to that percentage which comes in through legitimate ports of entry . Again i dont have the majority . I would say the vast majority of the fentanyl in this country obviously comes from mexico, the ore side of the border. Right. But it is my understanding and contradict me if im wrong but the vast majority comes through legal ports of entry. Is that the your understanding as well. A ive bd that. [laughter] okay. Would it surprise you to know that encounterers on the southern border in the third year of this president s presidency, in the thursday year 23 were about 80 . Do you think what the encounters with known or suspected terrorists in the third year of the previous president , do you know what that number is . Its a cbp if number. New york i dont have those numbers. I know no, i dont have those number but i know the numbers e over the last five years is the information i have, over the last five years. Right. Well im making a comparison here, and the answer is in the third year of the biden presidency encounters on the southern border with known or suspected terrorists is 80, in the third year of the previous administration, the number is 280. Im sorry we have to talk about it, this is a serious issue. I would just put it in the context of the many, many threats that we have. Im sorry we need to talk about this because the chairman and i were with the president in the cabinet room when thenleader mcconnell said to the speaker you not get a better border deal if donald trump is president and if theyhat a lost opportunity to address the problems that my republican friends make such hay over. With that, i want to turn to what i really am concerned about which is, in particular, foreign interference in our election. The unclassified threat assessment before us, the latest in a string of i. C. Analysis going back years documenting foreign ambitions to influence our elections. Im pleased that the committees assessment leans forward to describe these threats in such plain terms because do our defense is ensuring that americans across informed and ware of the range of adversaries and what they may do. So i want to use the remain orer of my time until the chairman gavels me down around three questions. What does the threat look like . And, by the way just to prompt that discussion, i have reproduced whattimes reported on last week which was they were a little hazy about who they the attribute thed to the russians setting up four completely fake newspapers if online, the d. C. Weekly the interestingly named new york news daily not the daily news,news daily the chicago chronicle and the miami chronicle. And the New York Times reported these web sites have since been taken down, they mix local news with actual kremlin propaganda. Im just putting that out there to prompt what im getting at here is what can how can americans identify what foreign interference may look like . Specifics. Weve read that, you know, russians may seek to start faux grassroots common strayses so, three demonstrations. Thats one question. Number two and this is really important, what are you doing about a it. And, are director wray, im going close with you because every american has a right to know that what youre doing about this is also a consistent with their protections of expression under the first amendment. So let me devote some time now to part one. What exactly should americans expect to see if there are attempts to interfere if with our elections beyond what ive posted back here . Thank you. I can start. Sir, i think so thanks for obviously, raising this issue because its of absolutely critical importance to us. And as you noted we have our Intelligence Community assessment on in thats been on in thats been unclassified on these issues. I think during, as we look back at the 2020 the u. S. Election cycle, russia engaged in a multipronged effort intended to really heighten broad existing sociopolitical tensions and sow distrust in democratic processes. And russias online influence actors really sought to amplify mistrust in the electoral process by denigrating pailin ballots, highlighting alleged irregulargies. Russia continued its efforts during the 2022 election cycle probably with the intent to disracket and weaken the United States distract and reduce u. S. Support to ukraine. Targeting specific demographics with tailored messaging intending to elicit responses about strongly held beliefs or moral issues. And what we do about it and obviously, you know, the point of saying they have a multipronged attack is you may see things along the lines of what youve described in the New York Times, but they also use, for example commercial firms, others that are sort of go betweens. They will hold a series of different ways of approaching effectively their Information Operations in the space. And what we do in the intelligence commitments weve stood up an election communities, weve stood up an Election Security group. They have different leads from different elements that participate, and these elements are working collectively, effectively, to identify this type of, you know, Information Operations. And what we do is we provide is it largely to th Homeland Security and to the fbi for them to act and to interact let me stop you there because i really want to focus like. Something you said caught my attention. Accusations that the system is corrupt, that elections are rigged which are a hallmark, obviously, of the previous president s speeches and to be fair, most recently raised by a California Senate candidate on side. Those statements that the systems are rigged may be designed to cause meshes to lose americans to lose confidence in their system. Is that fair of me to emphasize . Yes. They have for year, the russians have for years in their Information Operations basically discredit our, the legitimacy of our processes and ultimately, our democratic system. That is one of their main objectives. Are any of you aware in the last certain years of any material evidence that american elections are rigged . Can i get a no. Thank you. Okay. No evidence that in the last seven years any american elections have in any material way been rigged. Thank you. Director haines, i do want to talk about what a youre doing for it, but what weve got fake news sites, i hate to use the term, but weve got accusations that the system is rigged, the American Government is being weapon needed against americans. What else . Sure. There is also efforts to go after particular policy positions, to stoke acquisitions divisions in society in effect how do you stoke divisions amongst americans . So you effectively take where theres real content where theres disputes within american society, socioeconomic otherwise, and then you effectively lift and highlight those divisions up. Its one of the more challenging things for us to identify what the impact is because largely its an exacerbation of an existing division, in effect. And so its one of the areas where they seek to focus. So lets spend a minute or so on what youre doing about it. You were starting to say that you talk to dhs and directer wray were going to close because i think these efforts that you make against these attempts at misinformation and division are critical, but there is a very hazy line between identifying those efforts going after those efforts and compromising constitutionallyprotected freedom of expression and speech and. So director haines, give us a sense for what youre doing about it. Sure. And i welcome to the extent that you have time just to hear from system of my other colleagues, i mean, i think all of us are involved in this in many respects in supporting the fbis efforts. We stood up in odni the election threat executive in 2019 which was incorporated into the that center is responsible for integrating intelligence on foreign malign influence or interference targeting u. S. Elections. It alsoategy chi manages i. Collection and analytic resources on this issue and fosters partnership with other government private and foreign entities x. In 2022 we added the position of a National Intelligence officer for foreign malign influence and the National Intelligence council for leading analysis across the i. C. On foreign infliebs for u. S. Elections influence. And its also, like, as we work withnd as i mentioned dhs and fbi obviously, director wray can talk about fbis Foreign Influence Task force and their work on this, but dhs has an office of intelligence analysis, and they provide support regarding threats to u. S. Election infrastruct as well campaigns, public officials. And they work closely with dhs cybersecurity or and Infrastructure Agency which is charged with aeasiesing Election Officials and assisting rex officials and their private sector partners to mitigate risk and enhance the election facilities and equipment. And maybe just turn it to yeah. Of thank you. These efforts are critical, director wray. It is essential that americans have confidence these issues are identified without the fbi or to anybody else stepping on their constitutional rights. So how can give us 90 seconds of why we should be confident that you can do that. So our focus is not on the content, our focus is on the eign actor. And thats a key distinction tings. Were not the arbiter we dont seek to be the arbiter the of whats truth or fake. What we are doing is trying to identify the hidden hand of foreign adversaries foreign intention services, fake accounts that, in fact, belong to some is foreign adversary and and alerting the right people to that. Thats the primary category in this foreign malign influence space. There is a second category that is important in an Election Year which is lies about where and when to vote, for example is a form of Voter Suppression andthats a, can be a crime and theres criminal investigation that would ensue there. And we alert the appropriation Election Officials so that they can make sure people know where they actually can vote and what the times the polls are open andthat kind of thing but thats a separate category. Thank you. Of well, i appreciate that. I will yield back, but ive been doing this now for almost a decade and have seen, like you yever and though i have seen every manner of threat out there and appreciate their severity, i still believe what lincoln said in 1838 in a speech he gave. Lincoln said america will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Yield back. Thank you. As a point of privilege for the chairman the u. S. Customs and Border Protection encounter statistics for the years fy17 through fy24. My questions that were directed to director wray did not include criticism of the administration. However, since the comparison was made, my esteemed colleague used the numbers of individuals that were encountered on the terrorist watch list in the third year of the last administration the third year of this administration. Those encounters for the Field Operations encountered at land borders are the numbers that the i believe you were citing. This is the ones that relate to the ones you used which are 280 in fiscal year 19 80physial year 23 which would have been the third year of the Biden Administration. Those are actual hand ports where there is a field option where someone presents themselves at the border people are seeking to cross. For those years of comparison, fy19, fy23 the actual aggregate in the third year of the Trump Administration was 533 at those land ports and for the Biden Administration was 564. Relatively consistent. Over the category thats to below that, which is why im entering this into the record, is encounters between ports of entry. S where its not a specific Field Operation but theyre crossing the border. For the third year of the Trump Administration, which was fy19 this report indicates that on the southwest border is number was zero. And so the number for the Biden Administration fiscal year 23 was is 69. I somewhere this into the record without objection and i call on dr. Wenstrup. Thank you, mr. Chairman. Thank you all for being herasure to be with with you today and have the opportunity to work with you now and and over the years. I greatly appreciate it. I want to go back to something i brought if up a couple years ago in the events of june 14th, 2017 at the baseball field. I wont go as much depth as i did a couple years ago but there were 136 rounds fired that a day at the baseball field where if Steve Scalise wasnt there and Capitol Police werent there, he could have easily killed 2030 members of congress on the republican side, i might add, which would have led to a change in the balance of power in the house of representatives. I guess we didnt use the term that much back then, but i guess you would consider it an insurrection. This is someone who came to kill republicans, he had our names and our d in his pocket. Odn if i and dhs came out and determined that this was domestic violent is extremism yet the fbi claimed that it was suicide by cop. Now, director wray, that was not on your watch and weve had this conversation. They made this determination without talking to the witnesses or the victims and two years ago after i spoke on this in this hearing you responded to me and i appreciated that, and you changed that from suicide by cop to domestic violent extremism. But, you know, we have serious players on this committee today and i think that we all work well together, we want to work with with the Intelligence Community as one nation if. Finish two years ago i said we need walls around us sometimes but not walls between us. And im afraid thats still what were finding. We have the responsibility of oversight. Matter of fact, im the oversight chair for thisittee. And, you know, we fund your agency. And so thats an important thing to keep in mind. And our efforts can only be productive if we can proceed with the speed of trust. And that requires that we have a process where theres accountability. And, you know, or when you have the leading investigative body in the United States of america that conducts an investigation they they dont talk to the victims and they reach a bizarre conclusion that no one else could even even reach, we have to have accountability when the process is curiously insufficient here. You know, we want to make sure that theres integrity professionalism, appropriate methodology thats a taking mace. But yet as im place. As im seek ising information as far as who made this decision to call it suicide by cop and who went forward with it, how did they conduct their investigation, were being blocked. Its i dont even think its lawful. And i know that theres time to cite the memo that comes out of the departme justice. Thats a memo. Thats not the law. It isnt the law of the land. We are a country of we, the people and were the representatives of the people. And especially on this committee when we inquire whats going on in the fbi and whos doing what and how is the process fraud in an effort, we want to make it better. But we cant do it if you wont talk to us. If you wont give us the information we need. And dont allow us to investigate. It comes a across as very contemptuous. Against this body and the people and thats a problem. And i want to continue to move forward so we can have a Better Process in place and make sure that our agencies are functioning at a high level of professionalism and competency. But you have to work with us. So im going to ask you and maybe it can be in a classified setting that we do this and but with would you commit to providing to this committee the name of the person who practiced this gross negligence and potentially politicallymotivated decision i dont know, because we cant investigate as well as any punitive actions a person or persons involved may have faced so that we can investigate further maybe create a better with process . Will you commit to that with me . If. Well, congressman let me just say first as we discussed before no conversation on this subject should proceed without first saying how much i respect your harrowism on the day heroism on the day in question. And ive appreciated our corporation conversations. I know we provided all sorts of information in a variety of settings to you and your office, many of which was not something that normally would be shared well, let me so we will continue to try to work wit i will double down on our efforts to see if theres more information we can provide to be more responsive. I dont want to have to take further action. I want it to be an acquiescence that we can Work Together because, look, the law says the this is under general congressional oversight is. The congressional Intelligence Committees are kept fully e and currently informed of the intelligence activities of the United States. Thats to be insured it says. So the linder memo means nothing. Its not law. You cant write laws for yourself. Congress writes the laws. I appreciate that. Theres things that ill talk about more in a classified setting that are of grave concern to me such as biothreats and fentanyl, and i just want to publicly comment on how grateful in those arenas i have been in working with director haines and director burns. Thank you very much. Ot more we can do so that we can be better in the future and see how well weve done on so many things already. And and well do more in the classified setting. I yield back. Mr. Carson. Thank you chairman. Director haines, odni last year published the i. C. s annual demographics report for fiscal year 2022. Im concerned maam that report once again highlights ongoing disparities for minorities and women employed in the i. C. Compared to the rest of the includes decreases in the number of pay grade increases representation at the highest pay grades and promoting and retowning these officers retaining these officers as they approach leadership ranks. Id like your response as well as responses from the cia and dia, nsa and fbi on the following questions maam when will we see when will we finally see sustained documented progress on these key benchmarks . What is holding the im sorry c. Back . Where can the im sorry c. Improve in its recruitment efforts specifically . If do you feel comfortable with how the i. C. Is engaging with underrepresented communities and institutions of Higher Learning such as through centers for ional resources could be used to effectively improve recruitment from all baouckgr walks of life . Thank you so much for your so this is an an issue that im obviouslyate about, and i know weve had conversations on as well. I think there is no question that we are not where we want to be in terms of the minorities and women and persons of disabilities with disabilities in the i. C. In terms of it reflecting the broader country. And as we we note in the report and in the last report, we started to do some intersectionality tow of the challenges that exist across these groups. We also see that the representation when you look at the im sorry c. As a whole, is one thing im sorry c. When you look at the upper ranks, you basically sees the significantly lore in a number of specific minors. Lower. And so heres a couple of things that were doing. First of all the recruitment piece is a piece is a place where weve seen it get better in the sense of what you see in terms of applicants is actually a fairly robust demographic mix in a sense for the i. C. That doesnt mean that we need that we dont need to continue to trying to get out to different parts of the country. And you mentioned the certains of academic excellence. These are grants we give the key universities. We basically work with those universities to have programs that help us to recruit from those schools and from a cohesion of schools that are attached the coalition. And one of the things that it was intended to do was to help us get to more diverse populations across the United States. And if what were doing right now is actually trying to apply metrics to it do demonstrate its working and where it may not be and see if we know sort of take advantage of best practices where we do see is improvement. So that is one piece. But another key element and and youll see this in the demographic report thats just coming to congress, will be here this month that one of the key challenges were finding is actually retech in that sort of retention in that sort of first 5year period of diverse employees. And thats an area that were really trying to sort of dig into. And this is where resources matter. So let me explain what i mean by that. In order to understand why were having challenges with retention particularly of diverse populations, we need to collect data,ing we need to do more essentially exit interviews, of barrier studies other things a variety of barrier studies that help us understand whats happening across the i. C. , and thats something weve requested money for in our deia budget for the i. C. And that will help us then understand whats happening so that we can actually address the challenges and see if we can actually promote programming that helps us. And we have seen some places where the sort of cycle that were trying to create which is gather the day understand whats e happening and then take action to try to fix it and see whether or not that works is actually having is an impact. And i think for example director cruz may tell you a little bit about whats happening in dia as an example of this. But it is a very longterm process. This is something that is going to take a when are we going to see it, i think in years it is longer e than any of us want it to be. It is something we push very hard on, but i am also just very, you know, appreciate your advices and thoughts on things that we can do better in this area as well. Let me let others talk as you like. Sure sure, congressman ill be very brief with. You know, i share and and have shared over the three years ive been direct or at cia a high priority attached to make ourselves a more diverse institution. And thats not just the right thing to do for us as americans its the smart thing. Dia operates in a lot of extremely diverse landscapes around the world so were making progress. Last year, for example we had one of the highest percentages in terms of new officers weve ever had of women and minority, unde 48 women 30 minority. And equally important in terms of promotion and to the Senior Intelligence service the senior jobs at cia a we had an historic the inhigh over the more than threequarters of a century of cia 47 women 27 minority. Because the key to retention asive a ive learned the hard way is youve got to show their work merits it, whatever hair background, they can get promoted to the most senior jobs in the agency. So this is just a step. Weve got to continue this so its not just a blip, it becomes a pattern earn. But thats what were determined to try to do. Gentlemans times exp mr. Crawford . Thank you, mr. Chairman. Thank you all for being here today. This is important that we is have these conversations periodly out in the periodically out in the open because i think its important for the American People to understand we have the responsibility of overseeing your agencies. And so let me just get right into a couple of questions here. Director wray, do you still believe that the biggest threat to the United States National Security is domestic violent violent extremism . I believe that the most significant terrorist threat to the United States is lone actors acting with readilyaccessible weapons targeting soft targets and and that includes both domestic violent extremists and what we call home grown violent extremists which are jihadists typically isisinspired extremists. So is i have some concerns, and i about the potential for Important Industries to be National Security industries, for example agriculture. In the last ia we were able to get basically to bring usda into the i. C. Through title 50 authorities so that today become a member of the i. C. And with all the subject matter expertise that that imply plies and how important that is in the safeguarding with of our food supply. I have some concerns about other industries, for example. I read an article earlier this week about chinese manufacturers of cranes at our ports. Unfortunately, theyre the only manufacturers of cranes. We dont build those types of things unfortunately in this country. But the chinese have soughtu. To seed our supply chain with all a manner of surveillance devices and so on. The cranes were found to have been seeded with some devices. Weve seen this with the manufacture of commuter rail, weve seen it with other supply chain components that theyve seeded into our supplies. Do you have some concerns about that . And if so, what are you doing to reach out to the industry to make sure that a were safeguarding existence those kinds of things from happening . Thank you. Youve put your finger on a very important point. Its something we refer to typically as the hybrid commercial threat which is essentially what could otherwise be with legitimate businesses, but that are can be leveraged by the Chinese Government to engage in espionage or prepositioning for potentially disruptive action and so forth. And its something that we talk about a lot and weve talkedin terms of cyber penetration of Critical Infrastructure, but there are other ways and youre putting your finger on one of them to get kohl over Critical Infrastructure which is control over Critical Infrastructure which is through ordinary business transactions. Weve put this Authority Title 350 authority in usda 50 authority. Can you think of some other agencies we might need to consider that same perspective . Let me give some thought to that and would love to circle back with you on in this, because i think this is one of the maybe less talked about but maybe most important dimensions of the China Communist Party threat that, i think does deserve attention and does require engagement. Youre talking about activity that is the itself for the most part lawful but still presents vulnerabilities that the Chinese Government can ec loin. And we exploit if. And we need to figure out a better way to tighten that up. While ive got you director or wray, i have to say that weve had some terroristty over the last few months difficulty trying to really tap into the expertise that your agency brings. Your organization comets to hold the role of lead for counterintelligence within the i. C. You have a lot of very experienced counterintelligence agencies within your work force and they bring a valuing bl perspective to the table. And if even so this committee has really struggled to be able to get access to those individuals when we have asked the f if bi to participate i hearings. Fbi. So my question is why are we only allowed to hear from your intelligence analysts with approved talking the points . Im not aware that that is a restriction that we have. Well, i hope not because thats the presentation we got in our latest engage9ment with the engagement with the fbi which was unsatisfactory p. Why does the agent briefing this committee a v have to defer to headquarters and analysts to so provide [inaudible] on perceived threats . For the i mean, our south counterintelligence is a headquarters division. Are you referring the people in the field office . What imereringing to when we bring someone in as a witness and we ask them questions and they say is, im or to headquarters, why are they here then . We can them to come in so we can learn whats taking place out there, and yet we get stonewalled and theres a back and forth about how they cant say this or that. In a secure setting might add. And so much so theyve even suggested youre not cleared for that. And i have toy saw to say again, we are cleared for it, because were the ones who oversee the agency. Insulting when i hear someone suggest were not cleared to hear or see certain information in the ci space or any other space that the you have purview. So, obviously what youre saying concerns me greatly and met me have any my staff follow up so we can get specific examples and i can see what we can do to mitigate that. Thank you. I appreciate that. By times expired. Mr. Kessler. Thank you chairman. Thank you all for your testimony today. Director burns thank you so much for your effort on achieving a Peace Agreement with the return are of the hostages and a cease fire. Thank you to the president for calling for a ceasefire and the administration. I want to ask you about part of your testimony yesterday in the senate. In regards to the situation there. Yesterday the Senate Select committees hearing you said regarding gaza that, quote the realityth and that, quote, theyre malnourishedded as a result of the fact that humanitarian assistance cant get to them. Can you speak to what impediments there are to humanitarian assistance getting to civilians in gaza and who is responsible . I think the challenge is a very real one and i think its just a fact that, you know, children face incredibly difficult circumstances. In fact, desperate spanishs especially in north circumstances, especially in north gaza. Its partly a function of humanitarian assistance just not getting there in the quantities that are required. Its partly a funk of it not being a function of it not being distributed in conditions in which conflict is still going on. And if thats why as i tried to emphasize yesterday i think its so important that we continue to work with our partners in israel, car car that qatar and egypt to try to produce a deal, an agreement which would involve not only the release of a significant number of hostages and ultimately all of the hostages, because you circumstances and so are their families but it would also provide for an exchange with a number a defined number of palestinian prettiers held by israel. It would allow for at least a 6week ceasefire. And as a step toward more enduring arrangements. And, i think in terms of you mantarian assistance it would how practically humanitarian only a very significant surge in humanitarian assistance coming in but under the conditions of a ceasefire you could actually district it effectively. Let me ask you director, and i appreciate all of that work. I think its the the incredibly important in the dire situation there. But you are intimately familiar with whats gown on on the ground. You were in the middle of negotiations. Youre longtime diplomat and a skilled negotiator. And is on top of all of this, whos responsible for keeping that humanitarian assistance from getting to the starving children of gaza . I think anybody who has an interest and i think all of us feel this deeply, to produce the kind of humanitarian assistance that so obviously is required has an interest in trying to get this deal done. I think as the president has a made clear israel has the right to defend itself especially after the brutish attack that hamas if sure. And noby disagrees with that. Right. And, but at the same time as the president has made clear israel has an obligation to try to protect civilians particularly innocent women and children. I have to get to one more issue after this can i just add one thing . If. Sure, of course. Hamas also bears responsibility for that as well. Sure. And if hamas if is interested in, you know, the fate of women and children and innocent civilians in gaza, it will also work hard to pry to try to produce this kind of agreement. But you agree e that even in wartime, there are obligations by all sides that humanitarian assistance reaches civilians is that correct . Yes i do. And u. S. Law and the hue a mantarian aid act quote when it is made known to the president that the government of such country prohibits or otherwise restricts directly or indirectly the transport or delivery of the United States humanitarian assistance is. So let me ask you a quick followup. As the president s principal advisors on matters of intelligence has the president made aware of the government of israel directly or indirectly prohibiting or otherwise restricting u. S. Humanitarian assistan gaza . I think and you know, director haines can speak to this too but of course we provide, you know, every bit of intelligence that we have about sure. That issue. Like i said, i have one more question an important declassification question. Has the president been made aware of this . Math if9 miller made a very clear comment that israel did have some role at least in blocking assistance. Does the president know that . Mine, i think the president s i mean, i think the president s made clear that israel and should do more in terms of assuring that humanitarian assistance gets in. Thank yall. Director wray and direct or burn in recent decades the United States Intelligence Community has worked to reform practices that led to the illegal disruption and infiltration of peaceful civil rights movements particularly in the 1950s 60s and 70s. Im sure youre aware of some of the most e egregious examples including fbis corporation against the reverend Martin Luther king jr. And cias operation chaos. Yesterday i sent a letter asking your agencies to declassify and release to the greatest extent possible materials related to of Latino Civil Rights Movement in any of your holdings, and i want about to ask whether youll commit to working with me to improve the historical record and insure or that u. S. Intelligence agencies can correct the mistakes of the past with regard to surveillance of latino civil rights organizations. Yes. Well see what we can provide. Thank you. I appreciate it and i yield back. [inaudible] director wray, have you read robert hurs special. Counsel report . If. I have reviewed it. Do you believe joe biden mishandled classified information . Im not going to discuss the report. Thats and the special counsels report and in your opinion as director of the fbi do you believe he ed classified information . Again im just going to refer to the report, and the special counsel can speak for himself. Are you aware and this is breaking news, are you a aware theres an audio reporting of joe biden saying to the his goat writer in february 2016, quote i just found all the classified sufficient down stairs, end quote . Are you aware of that a audio recording . I would respectfully refer grow to the im asking you are you aware as the director of the fbi . Am i aware of what . Whether the audio exists of joe biden saying, quote i just found all the classified stuff downstairs, end quote again im just going to refer to the special counsel and his testimony and his report. It sounds like you might be aware of it then. In front of this very committee your predecessor jim copemy, testified comey said is he did not the crossfire hurricane, the counterintelligence investigation into President Trump in 2016. To address this legal abuse of power by the fbi this committee included direction to the fbi in the iaa requiring notification to congressional leadership of any if c federal candidate for office. Is there any counterintelligence investigation into either joe biden or donald trump . I would just say ill refer you to the special counsel its not a question about the special counsel. Thats a requirement of the iaa of the fbi. Is there a counterintelligence investigation into either joe biden or donald trump . No investigation that i can confirm here, no. Is there a counterintelligence investigation . Again im not confirming any investigation into east candidou that that youre required by the iaa to notify if congress of any if counter and we will, we will only ply with the law. Have you already or complied with the law i . I believe we have been in compliance with the law. You believe you have been or has there been a notification to congress of any counterintelligence investigations of a federal candidate . I believe we have complied with the law. Has there been a counterintel assessment conducted on either President Biden or President Trump . Again theres no assessment that that i would confirm here in any way. I believe we h compliance with the law. How about on an immediate Family Member and by that i mean spouses or children . Of either President Biden or president again im not in the business of con firming confirming especially not in open hearing assessments or anything like thahe comes todown intelligence, maam. So you will confirm in the classified setting when we ask you this question of whether theres a counterintelligence investigation . Because you are aware that according to the iaa you are required by law to notify congress of any counterintelligence investigation not just for president ial candidates, but any federal candidate. We will come pry with the law. So you will answer this in a classified hearing later today . Well comply with the law. And whats yourens understanding of the law . Theres a whole series of oversight requirements we have related to counterIntelligence Matters. Im not going to the notification of congress into a federal candidate, how do you what is your understanding of the law . The. Again i would wont to refer to the lawyers to make sure im appropriately complying with it, but i can tell you were going to comply with the law and my understanding is that we have been. Is your assessment that youre required to notify congress into any counterintel investigation into any candidate . Again im going to defer to the lawyers youre the directer of the fbi. They report to you. What is your understanding of the requirements in the iaa . Were going to comply with the law including whatevers in the iaa. I want to turn to the search warrants and the search in one with case of maralago, an unprecedented raid and a search working with joe bidens legal team. Were you or your staff the did you have any communication about either the execution of the search warrant on maralago or the search of documents working with joe bidens lawyer . Was there any communication with joe biden of you or your team . Any white house staff . By me or my team . By you or any personnel at the fbi. Again i want to the make sure ive got your question right. By me or my staff with who about which . If. The white house staff about the of a search warrant on maralago or the search working with joe bidens lawyers of classified information. Not to my knowledge. What about the attorney general . I cant speak for the attorney general. No, did was there any communication with your staff with the attorney general or you regarding the execution of the search warrant or the search of joe bidens classified documents . If. Well, any search would be, would be done in coordination with the can department of justice. As to who may have communicated with whom im asking you. I cant ooh im asking if you communicated. Whether i communicated . With the attorney attorney general, prior or after of the execution of the search warrant on maralago. Not. Do you think it is hold on. Prior or after . Prior or after. Threat . Ive been very clear about my National Security concerns and we began all tik tok on all devices. You think its a National Security threat flex macron not weighing in on the no. I agree with you i think its a National Security threat you cannot stay here today. I think tik tok represents security threats. For should exercise their right to access the account only to the it National Security concerns, correct . Correct. My calendar and i introduced this bill from bite dance the Parent Company of tik tok controlled by the interestingly as we introduce the bill, it was marked up in the energy and Commerce Committee in the morning about medication went to thousands of users. Stop a tik shutdown planning a total shutdown. Cutting aside misinformation we are not calling for a ban on tik tok but what is interesting the data associated with minor children call many offices with thousands of phone calls. They asked questions such as the following, what is a congressman . Let me have my tik tok back. In one case one member of the committee had; impersonatingpeak with him and asking to come back. He talked about and going back including his ability to mobilize. This push notification popped up committing members of the committee to change from immediate and that is the nature of the threat it was supposed. This is an example of Public Opinion had control the Chinese Communist party in this nature. Is your describing it demonstrates why is a turn americans need to understand we take for granted businesses and government and the government itself for all practices and purposes. Whether they want to give the Chinese Government the ability to control the data and whether they get the control to leverage data if they so choose. When you were talking about algorithm or example this probably menu, let me make clear, you cannot rule out Chinese Communist party ordering this to get a pop up. It illustrates this recommendation the ability to influence operations that is difficult. Thats the problem because the ccp ultimately controls bite dance and manipulate the Program Analyst data. This assessment you said tik tok run by a propaganda arm targeting both Political Parties during 2022, right . Up. Sorry, how just think tik tok is already been used to influence elections in 2022 in the same page says an attempt to influence elections in 2024 so you cannot rule out because using tik tok is a platform to influence 2024 elections. We could not. Thank you. I yield back. I think the witnesses for being here. Just to build on what he talked feel we have been giving these issuing and all the information there is a serious lack of transparency. I appreciate what youve done but being a lawyer by professional former prosecutor, there may be things others and vice a asked we open up and be transparent especially since the perpetrator attacked us that day seven years and he was killed but they but no reason for him its or anything else, we need to know who they are. The second thing im concerned with what we are catching and even more concerned about those crossing our southern border and medicare which administration known or suspected terrorist when we apprehend them at the border what part does the have been tracking arresting are we security i think they are here to do us harm but wouldnt the fbi doing. One from was apprehended your names are run against the terrorist watchlist and we provide the hit back to dhs so they know this person is on the list. Instances where somebody gets into the country the task force is working with local enforcement has the responsibly of apprehending those individuals. For suspected or known terrorist or one on the watchlist with the fbi respond to the person who landed to respond . We knew someone was on the watchlist in a particular area there would be dhs and depending on the circumstances deploy to that seen in it depends the circumstance. Every interaction we have with the known suspected terrorist or somebody on the watchlist of the southern border or any border the fbi is responding and we know where they are and they are arrested or tracked within the United States. There are different categories we have concerns about. One of known or suspected terrorist at the border, im confident there is close up on them. The bigger concern is the situation where somebody present a fake identification and theres not biometrics so there is no know they are who they say they are somehow we find out there somebody on the list and we tried to find them. I only have 39 seconds. I look forward to seeing you next month in my district. Africa we have a lot of challenges politically what things do the Community Need to make a safer in america both the summons sou mr. And all over . Im looking forward to my trip. In those areas we have tremendous challenges and i think the work there is largely making sure we have resources to provide all of the things we normally do to help whats happening in the event that affect these threats. I recognize given the time i can go through them but if theres anything particular. My time has expired. Russia has committed i ukraine last year creating a special coordinator and will forward and move forward in the accountability i understand and working and how my it on model for other instances. Help us to produce this. The person we have a long history and knowledge working on accountability issues maybe a special field the sense that what youre trying to do is understand what information will be useful for accountability and the various so understand the departme of justice typically the ones making determinations in this area in order to produce accountability and we got together and provide those ways releasable for folks working on these issues and promote greater awareness. One thing is working across the i see but also the department of justice consistently in writing on what is needed to produ flow so it is not context with respect to chinese and according to the law so hes been helping the community of interest. Director ray you is a gallery of chairs limitations and threats against the United States recently and a surge of those threats including groups who particularly dont get along common cause and what is causing those threats . These are all Foreign Terrorist Organizations that middle east as their excuse to serve as a rally cry. That were is causing this in the United States could you provide more detail . Is depending on the organization and for example a specific call against the United States so they are invoking both hamas a success in the conflict is on the verge trying to defend itself. Does that include casualties . The articulation and leveraging. I dont specific groups but some of them, sure. National security and helping us fight the war on terror do you believe it is possible to destroy a terrorist ideology that underpins the terrorist organization with military force alone . The military force degrades military troops and it is welldefined. Ideology in my experience is with a better idea. With those better ideas include in your opinion . Im setting aside for second the understandable goal of the terrorist groups. I think you have to provide more broadly but the sense of hope and purpose in this case were palestinian so as a way of undermining it. Thank you i yield back. I want to go looking for your service to our country and the men and women who serve under you allow us to live in the greatest country ihe world. Want to focus on such bottle to the mall the last 15 months looking at how we extend reform 702 statutory obligation on back to 2018 was created every five years we figure out what to revise and fix how we make 702 better. We did that in 2013 and 18 and now responsibly this time. Focus on three different areas how we will be fbi accountable making sure the abuses to over the last five or six years dont happen again how we make sure what happened with crossfire hurricane never happens again . And how do we bring more transparency and openness to open up a little bit more . Are built does that. We produce the present the amount of analysts porkys inquiries. We prohibit evidence of a crime and treat specific penalties and punitive measures. Make fbi all compliance and mandate independent audits of trust in christ prohibit to suppress political forks religious beliefs here. Making sure it never happens again, we create enhanced penalties that is for the by the court. We give the authority to prosecute contempt and prohibit the use of political oppositionts and order. Lastly for the of mandate transcripts foreclose on the court. We find counsel to scrutinize surveillance application and require the same judge to rule on extensions. This is the feedback on how we fix this and i would like to submit for the record a letter to speaker johnson december 72023 that supports our bill from my pompeo john raiff and Robert Obrien in which they say section 702 must be preauthorized and they putting the requirement in the is not what they recommend. There is no doubt the value from the National Security for what 702 has brought is immense over last 15 plus years. We have some of the requirement is a part of this. In my view, county detrimental in the work weve done. Can you comment on the requirement that youre engaged in . A requirement would get for 702 to protect americans. The reality is the stage of an investigation its only after review the information this is information in our holdings were looking at. Thats when we know for the car. To have a. Recently we had information in a foreign terrorist in Contact Contact in the United States we did know the nature of the contract but we knew it was something that caused interest and would not have probable cause for a warrant but we run that information through our holdings and it allowed us to look at the content which showed us this is serious its urgent. The individual had weapons components and other information information, i would ner have happened and would never have happened is a warrant requirement. When we about how exponential 702 has been come up with last nine years i think about instances like the taking on of the leader in kabul i think about taking out the iranian general and the leader of an Islamic State of iraq and the isis leader and osama bin laden. Five instances over the last nine years can you talk about how essential it was is another countert action . It was crucial in each area you mentioned and another area 2022 United States took outin kabul but also isis as well and 702 was crucial in the operation. As you know including the fentanyl crisis, 702 was an act and crucial. Last year 70 illicit drug operation came as a result but theres an expanding area of concerns and threats crucial to the protection of americans that hinge on the application. Thank you mr. Chairman. Youve already outlined the dire humanitarian situation the urgency of getting humanitarian aid i applaud the president within the urgency of getting extended ceasefire four to six weeks and the visits we have had and others you are negotiating that is the possiblongterm solution in the middle east where israeli people can live in purity and feel secure only comes with the ability of. In my conversation it becomes harder and harder. There is urgency to get that negotiate a longerterm solution is that correct . You are exactly right. Patiently let me ask i would have thought a long time ago would have the supplemental. It may question the funding is it accurate to say governmental funding will go u. S. Production lines and jobs . It is accurate to say because directly to ukraine. It will go to the industries and some of the governmental comes our agencies advise you and what they are being prosecuted for. That is very important but while we are defending supporting ukraini month this is not to give away it is supporting american jobs and manufacturing it is very important. He spent a lot of time china we see that they are trying they are no longer talking about the implications. Can you comment on this setting your assessment of whats happening . Given the crowd the environment threats and not getting as much attention. There been a number of rhetorical actions by kim jongun more provocative in particular aimed at south korea and it is enemy number one calling for an amendment to the constitution. It is going up in the Liaison Office between the two countries things that are lifting up tensions and there is anxiety about the potential of military action including the northern women. Our analysis is not will engage provocative behavior but its not interested in escalating into a full on war. His advancing as it and for weapons stand up un Security Council and of the places to push back actions and clear. The counterprotest you that. As we have seen time and time again america is strong and projects that strength, american gynt and we project america is less safe in the world is a safe safe. Projected weakness and now coupled with thosewo it is weakness. Now we have people in this chamber in spite of those threats like to strip of our most secure tool section 702 of isaiah. I want you address this myth perpetuated about the socalled more requirement which is not at all, as a secondary warrant requirement december exist in u. S. Law. Its based on collection of data in u. S. Citizens the protections and does not apply to nationals with projections. Apply which some colleagues are trying to do now for data that the that would impose warrant requirement on Police Officer the warrant requirement on a fugitive squad with marshalls and flight manifest for someone youre trying to arrest in the airport. It is the policy for it. In a warrant requirement and last year, that would be 200,000 plus warrants there 750 judges in the judiciary about nine to 11 we would have to expand the judiciary by five, if not more. In this requirement for america if you become wealthy actual manifestation would be american law and the database put your anger on a number of key points in the first is there is no constitutional legal requirement for a warrant so this will be a policy choice congress would make to going to the fbi are holding. And we are looking at that information. And it really tells t we have a situation for the known foreign terrorist or individual overseas who had some kind of contact with what appeared to be a person we did the thing you want to do and ran the identifier through our information to drop we are dealing with, is this something to be concerned about or not . We saw content of the communication thats what we realized serious and led to a quick investigative action and disrupted it. And there is no way he could access that information for we ran that inquiry if we have requirement. Across the spectrum others at the same time advocating for jumping on nation of the 32 a lot of time when our own director roof we would do an incredible disservice to our country. Thank you mr. Chairman, i am appreciative of the last statement and its assessment wholeheartedly an agreement about that. Suffice it to say as well that some of our colleagues who may want to increase these requirements and shut down the system of the same individuals for the january 6 insurrection victims of patriots. We understand that they are not and i understand director right and others here are doing Everything Possible to ensure we have free and Fair Elections in foreign interference cannot be part of. We have to stop a and i am grateful for your work to ensure those enemies foreign and domestic are dealt with through the systems we have in place. I had a question first for director burns and director burns as well. As many of my colleagues know i am interested in the ongoing area. Im interested in and the democracies taking place. We are in a global fight for dominance of our adversaries both china russia particularly the group usinga to extract wealth to the detriment of the african will and the continent. Americans do not think this affects them will the wealth as well as disease instability economic downfall of these countries are very much of the American People. In the end like the legs of sodium and additional countries that me all. Considering this power vacuum what can the United States do, how are we relating to implementation this strategy to address these challenges and opportunity . There outside the focus we had on counterterrorism which i believe move away from and focus on instability democracy and our fight against foreign adversaries. Thank you very much i think the percept is to Pay Attention and highlight policymakers what you just described. I was in africa six weeks ago and was reminded whats at stake and intelligence as well. Three of the several places i visited so this is extremely important in this Intelligence Community. The challenges you described are very real and there are a lot of predatorpl whatever they come in the future as well as terrorist groups security like the french being pushed in some ways out of the role they have traditionally played. Certainly for us as intelligence intelligence we are determined to sustain that focus. Have some thoughts about this. I certainly do want to take time to add from the military intelligence but it is heartrending what you laid out the contributions from actors that dont have the best interest whether it is the economic side that may not b of the best interest to create stability, the military perspective, it is a trickledown perspective. It is be addressed. The only thing i would add one of the key points is this terrorism and insurgencies and that is right and one thing we see are taking on the mantle of terrorist organizations challenges of these that help us address the problems and the second thing is the challenge we are seeing of various actors take advantage between and it allows them to alleviate these pressures that would otherwise receive and try to play off each other that gives more space within their own government not adding these good. After nearly two hours of testimony will and 40 pages of written testimony on this Assessment Part of the boca open border policies is coming out of the white house the most significant germiNation Security right now. I dont think i dont make the following statement which is more formal today than on september 102001 not just china russia for the debacle afghanistan and the middle eastganization but are from border second its a continuation of the Statement Last year and these intelligence failures to convey the vulnerabilities of this open border policy continues to put us at risk. The last year we saw 2. 45 millioninch crossings and december alone we saw 10000 illegal crossings across the border and lincoln probably killed by an illegal immigrant february 22 not until age 35 after Climate Change but the border is even eluded to under the terms of migration director came you know pressures as a reason for this but the reality is we have open for as a result of policies on the white house sent it is now a greater threat than a the other press we discussed that includes russia and china and all terrorist organizations and they are taking advantage of our open silver bullet. All the talk about data from lack of administration here is data from the numbers of fall protection and 2017 there were two encounters on the screen data center. In 2018 there were six encounters. 2019 there were three. In 2020 there were six and after that not talking about of people coming across the border in the last three years that doesnt include people week not caught so this is the existential threat so im disappointed again in this hearing the annual threat assessment we are not talking about open border policies. As mentioned earlier quote but the bulk of the last couple centuries but ill summarize in if we falter and lose making it is because we have destroyed from within. As a direct policy from the white house that has opened our subfolders created migration challenge resulting in a 5000 american dying of fentanyl poisoning teacher and dozens are reported on the hands of illegals and 207 Million People unaccounted for court date32 timeframe, no idea attached living victims of slavery within our own borders so my question out why have you failed to impart on this president a level of threat to National Security perspective that his policies are creating an is it not been briefed . Is being brief what is the reaction secretary of defense austin at home and the president of the United States . If anyone has interest in addressing this why has the president not recognized the southern border policy is created for themselves the biggest threat to our Nation Security . Question is, are we providing to the Community Information was happening at the indicate we have challenges you have on a regular basis. That was not mysident in your opinion not taken is on board . 2022 nonferrous in 2023, 172 hes numbers are exponential in nature, wisest administration not listening to go . s or someone preventing you from being the status legs judge of the president and his cabinet and the repercussions thereof . In my experience, they deeply care they are doing what they think is best. I would hesitate to suggest that i could provide an opinion about what the president things on these issues of white come to these conclusions he has. The results speak for themselves in the care deeply about our Nation Security. It also scares me when you have a commanderinchief that doesnt change behavior patterns or policies as a result of this invasion on our southern borders very concerning. Thank you for the opportunity to sit in public with you all and grateful for the chance to talk about page 32 which is biology. Bioterrorism and biotech and you name it is on the list of this technology the conversation as policymakers and do about a. I. Is an example. It is an enormous upside and our competitors cedar. China is trying to get up to this area. I recognize it is more difficult to talk about two things. What are we doing and what can congress do to help you prepare in terms of making sure we have a lineup and authorities and drugs . Thank you very much for raising this and i share your concern about this issue is one we have invested because the workforce its not an area we are likely to grow expertise it reside in the fundamental we have access and brandon we are trying to encourage is where folks would work in this area and come back and an expandedprivate sector and im sure others will talk about it and your first. , one of thenges by its nature is dual use and they are often providing opportunities for society and can create challenges so being able to understand this nature and finding the greatest priona perspective and do it in a way that doesnt hamper the science will ultimately serve as opportunities in this. I would just will and offers an enormous promise in this trendline as well and they can invest in terms of passages or the idea building soldiers in the future using biotechnology. We set up a new mission on these issues and one of the highest issues and these threats anticipated. We do have a Small Technology team and biotechnology and bio security and i think for us it is capacity a level of expertise that requires partnering with industry and we will help to strengthen. I would just add not a lot. [inaudible] [inaudible] thank you all for being here director pains in september yourself by the committee and these agencies to bring intelligence support and identify opportunities for the. Steady and for this program . It brought and folks from the community and folks represented but also inc not in their intelligence and other folks and treasury and the idea was to see of they have the Intelligence Community and what treasure is doing the mark to have recommendation . Zne can get you a copy. How are utilizing this to target this . Focus on the fact that because it is not categorized within 702 702, it prevents us from targeting affiliates of the drug cartel there subcontractors, can you speak to that . Section 702 this bottle, and so many ways. It gives flexibility overseas in the area we have been successful is identifying precursor chemicals as a transit from china we hit limitations and use that authority. Giving an opportunity to pursue additional authorities related to section 702 humor option to further illuminate what that threat looks like. We have tried to make those changes have run into problems. We literally buying our hands behind our back in the effort to battle functional production and trucking and we are not even talking about american citizens, we are talking about foreigners and foreign land. What is your the cost and benefit is a Foreign Terrorist Organization . Perspective the principal benefit would be enhancement to go after the money i dont want to make a comic we dont have any but the principal effects would be more with other agencies they would have. How they battle drug cartel . Is us National Security apparatus . If you could pick would be Attorney Generals Office the dod or eia . Its beyond our scope but my senses it needs to be a whole of Government Strategy meeting moving forward on prosecutions and they spend their time going after hotels in the network. It is also an effort by treasury and others and dhs to interdict and an opportunity to support that to the intelligence we provide. I understand we caught you off guard there. I have more important questions to get to. Adversaries have no problemj9 no education for these needs. We do not have a policy or will. I view this as a deterrent problem and it is the same me as Nuclear Deterrence. View it the same and should review the records same as Nuclear Deterrence . These policies in place and ability to engage in the same defense . Those costs that could be any number of tools available to the executive branch for anyone thats willing to and we have to be able to perform that. I couldnt agree more but we need to be able to impose costs and our enemy needs to know we are willing to impose costs. In well over my time so thank you the chairman for indulging me and i yield back. Thank you mr. Chairman. I just want to followup on some of the recent questions from my colleagues related to the border related to the fentanyl crisis. We heard you loud and clear about the importance of 702 winner billy ability to understand the sentinel related network but i appreciate its a public version of the worldwide threat that talks explicitly about Transnational Criminal Organizations their threat to the u. S. And our Public Health system our Financial System and my colleagues questioned saying that i would assert that we have a policy community and its also up to us here in con to legislate in put forth bills that will keep, as you note on page 36, the more than 100,000 annual drug deaths in the United States literature beaded to elicit fentanyl mostly supplied by abased ecs even as u. S. Law enforcement sees record amounts of precursor chemicals and equipment. In china he remains a primary source for elicit fentanyl precursor chemicals. Its a global issue. This is an issue that gets at the heart of our National Security overseas and abroad and i look forward to working with my this because we are the policy community that should keep solving it. There was a bill in the senate that was proposed moving forward and we c discuss that at a later date. I want to move to my actual question related to the terrorism issue. Specifically recently my colleague congressman houlahan and i nairobi and somalia focused on the alshabaab threat and the threat of terrorism as it continues in africa specifically with the larger impact with mass kidnapping of nearly 300 schoolaged children and women in Northern Nigeria likely perpetrated by islamist extremists alshabaab and smelling and capable al qaeda affiliates. These stages series of attacks including the murder of a british couple on the safarind africa continues to be the only continent where are growing. My sincere gratitude to every person on the ground both the military personnel the Intelligence Community and personnel for working in this fight but you can give us your efforts to combat them contain threats emanating from africa and what threat africa extremist groups pose to the u. S. Either indirect attacks or as was the topic of conversation in east africa with money funneling out from alshabaab to aid other affiliate organizations and any member who would like to take it. I will start. Ill be quick. I think your absolute right africa is growing place for terrorism and no isis and al qaeda which we a lot of time on there are more capable of striking u. S. Interest in the regions where they operate and that is true whether its in africa where rather than the homeland following sustained pressure that we have engaged in on those issues. But this is part of what is creating the environment you describe which is exacerbating many of the challenges that africa already faces particularly in the subset Health Region so we have done a lot to talk about some the things we are working on. I couldnt agree with you more not just in the sahel but in mogadishu and mogadishu and i was there not long after you were there and theres work with all sorts of u. S. Officials right now. Your reitinger stood underscoring the threat coming out of somali. They are flush with money and some of that money has gone out and importance of our partnerships that have proven to be very effective partner in light of and we can talk in closed session about some of the things that we are trying to strengthen not just in a partnership but another once as well. I think in africa that sense of partnership is going to be incredibly important dealing with what is a growing threat. With that i yield back thank you. Thank you mr. Jared is on the hill today and he is putting his report that President Biden has topsecret compartments of documents knowingly in his basement. He knowingly provided those documents to his seen those documents . Think all of the documents that were part of the special counsel. There were special boxes have you seen all of them are part of them . Ive seen all of them but i wouldnt say or breadth or all of them. I went through classification review within the Intelligence Community. It where you provide that review to this committee this Damage Assessment, to this committee . Will you commit to that . We did an overall Damage Assessment with respect to all of the different documents etc. And thats been provided to the hill to i think a gang of eight and well see whether or not we can provide it. Who has possession of those documents now . The department of justice. I would look forward to mr. Chairman the broader committee seeing the extent of these documents so they could have been fairly benign or they could have been incredibly serious so i would encourage the Intelligence Community to brief the committee on the extent that the damage that those documents that apparently have been sitting for quite some time both in the university of Pennsylvania Center and in this house time with the Senate Vice President and now as president. Switching to afghanistan. The u. N. Is reporting that al qaeda has established eight new Training Camps in afghanistan and list the specific provinces were all qaeda currently has Training Camps including a new base with stockpile weaponry in the panjshireat assessment said al qaeda is not much of a threat. Do you disagree with the u. N. Security councils assessment . Can we approach this in closed session quick. I look forward to that. Would you say at this point al qaedas more less of a threat than in 2020 . Does al qaeda still intend to attack the homeland and the western interest if given the opportunity . They continue to have the intent but not the capacity. Will they grow that capacity if given the opportunity . The mixture. Spoon of the u. N. Seems to think they are growing that capacity so i look forward to whether you agree or disagree with thats assessment and switching to russia. Russia is selling an incredible amount of oil through india through pro curs in china. I think its safe to say russia benefits when the price of oil is high. Does disagree texas is how primarily russia is fueling its business in ukraine and elsewhere. So i think youd also agree less oil and gas on the International Market drives the price high and therefore both santay round for that matter have their work offers. Is anyone disagree with that . So its safe to say an lng ban on exporting american cleaner by the way more plentiful gas is indirectly fueling that . Does anyone disagree with that . I will take that as an know and in fact i will share with witnesses i just sat down with the speaker of the parliament fromlines of fresh and aggressive and and she said we buy 80 of our gas from those in louisiana and at some point they will have to go back to buying russian gas. We are literally our Domestic Energy policy is creating an fueling russias war machine and when we are being asked to spend again by also supporting continued to support ukraine and we should stop putin apps away. We have to enact their own policies with both tehran and the assessment theres nothing on energy policy. In terms of gaza is hamas and honest after . Did they tell the truth on a regular basis . No. Okay. So yet we have a casualty figure coming from the Hamas Health Ministry that is continually i dont think if putin was talking about a russian run Health Ministry and their casualties we would take that at face value. Do we take the intelligence face value or to have some independent verification there are . We dont take it on face all you. As was indicated its not that far off. But it is not accurate on its face. You dont take that it face value quick. We dont take it on face value. Thank you nation neither should the present and National Television and finally mr. Wray on domestic terrorism we have 16 universities teaching as part of their curriculum to book how to bomb Oil Pipelines 16 universities. I would consider that facilitate and domestic terrorism. Would you quick. I dont know. Ive liked ender into the record reporting how to come universities are teaching students to blow up Oil Pipelines and in their curriculum how do bombing oil pipeline. I think you would agree that thats not acceptable. Totally unacceptable. Bicester wray can i get your consent to look into what i call the leftwing domestic terrorism and not only the activities that. Certainly ill look into all of the comparisons including funding. Thank you ill look for that briefing. Thank you mr. Chairman. Youve been waiting the entire hearing waiting to ask questions. Director haines general burns general cruz i want to be clear i have called for a ceasefire in order to frame all the hostages held by hamas allow more humanitarian aid to enter gaza to relieve sufldren of hopefully begin to set the stage for a twostate solution for the establishment of an independent palestinian state living in peace next to a secure israel. Additionally hamas must not have any future palestinian state especially after october 7 attack wheas they committed atrocities killing and kidnapping innocent civilians. I also recognize the hamas leader is not starving or suffering and is using hostages as a way to protect himself and biscuit and if he just turned himself in. So that wont happen. Director burns he recently returned from yet another visit to the middle east to assist in negotiating a ceasefire which will release additional hostages held by hamas while increasing the flow of humanitarian aid into gaza. Can you provide an update on how close we are to a deal . I think they are still a possibility of such a deal and it wont be for lack of trying on our part. We are working closely with their egyptian counterparts that its a very tough process and we cant guarantee success but the only thing i can guarantee is the innocent civilians who are suffering in gaza and their hostages and their families. We will continue to work very this as i said and they are still a possibility as long as theres the smallestssential for all of us to Work Together. What are the major obstacles to achieving a ceasefire . There are lot of very complicated issues. Its a negotiation i dont want to go in to all off them. We can do it in closed session as well. I think its still possible to make progress. There are a number of very confiscated issues to sort through and i think its absolutely urgent. I appreciate that that we dont take any numbers at face value. Do they have a reliable assessment of the number of civilian casualties in gaza as well as the humanitarian toll . Thank you. We really do not have our own collection to be able to tell you what the numbers are. What we look to as indicated the gaza Health Ministry and we talk to and largely rely on israeli counterparts and the numbers are not that different. I think the amount of time to roughly 31,000 the idf was actually supporting about 28. So it is in the challenge course is the Health Ministry is not differentiating civilian fighters in that context so we have a broad range and very challenging for us to independently corroborate effectively what the numbers are. Additionally what are the issues i mentioned a few weeks ago that there was a concerned about escalating tensions in the absence of the ceasefire once ramadan started particularly in the west bank. Is that a significant concern tax. It is one i think the west bank is a combustible place right now for a variety of reason a spillover of the violence in the west bank. It is in everybodys interest to try to get the ceasefire hostage deal because that is the best way in many respects to calm the situation and iranian proxies from at 11 to the houthis in yemen are feeding off of this crisis and the last ceasefire hostage release took part in the latter part of november and we all observed the ceasefire that resulted. Thank you and with that i yield back. Thank you mr. Chairman. Its such an important opportunity for the American People to get a view of the leadership of our Intelligence Community and to assess the worldwide threat had had views expressed from both republicans and democrats about those threats whether its from space or from another country or a terror group. Of course they are the ones that are most important are the ones that affect the American People in their daily lives and their daily communities. We have heard a lot starting with chairman turner and mr. Garcia and mr. Kelly and others about the threats we have encountered along our border and these are the people on the terror watchlist across the border better in the United States that we have encountered and therefore we know they are in the united United States and we have asked them to leave United States that we dont have any idea of how many across the border with this chaos 7 million encounters that have distracted or cbp uniform people on the border. Im going to start with following up on your thoughts and isis reported number a member of the alshabaab who is on the terror watch list entered the United States and according to the director when he testified inamed around the country for a year and wasnt really apprehended or known about until he used his real identity documents to try to get a job. So drifter wy director wray from an oversight point of view with 160 this fiscal year and 300 from last fiscal year where the people on the terror watch list . Is this a priority for fbi domestic counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations and these people are targets. Let me answer it this way certainly all of our joint Terrorism Task force in all 56 field offices have is a significant part of their wk focusing on subjects subject to investigations many of whom are people who we have an open investigation whether on the watchlist. So its triggering for the field offices triggered by the homeland investigation. Heres my question. We have the counterintelligence director testifying for his recently and if they see a tsa or cbp encounters these people and they go into our database does that automatically goes to one of our saic that this person is now in the United States even though theres not kahl and open investigation. In other words as a General Information matter are refusing that information with our counterintelligence people . Someone is on the nofly list or the terror watch list and they have taken an Airlines Flight from texas to boston. As the boston saic know that . Or are they notified of that . The way the system works they should be and i cant tell you what happens in every instance but thats the way the system should work. The bigger concern frankly or individuals ill put them into two categories once someone who is on the list but has fake documents and their biometrics so nobody catches them were somebody who should have been on the list. Intelligence wasnt developed to say they should be on the l in the case of the alshabaab roemer he presented documents to the country. But what concerned us in december alone for cbp said there are 300,000 encounters in that month alone of the border and acknowledged 60 members of congress were there. 6000 people cross the border and one day and there were no documentations no biometrics no photo no interview know looking at the list no checking of documents just passing through to the u. S. We are concerned on this commit being shared and i would ask director haynes is it legit to mask you as our director the cba the cbp the fbi coordinating and integrating the data that we have heard about all morning across the border with documents are not or were actually not subject to an open investigation and can i have your promise that we can get an to our question because we wrote you and asked whats the status of the 159 people and we have never gotten an answer. Here is person one. Heres person two presented state documents we pick them up person three we pick them up in chicago. We dont know the answer to the question but what happens is not public but the number 169th American People are saying where are they . We are just reflecting the common sense question. Where are they . Me a heavier commitment . Epsa we have my commitment to get you whatever information need and well talk about whatever the letter was a cent. Thank you very much. Do we have no other members in the queue . With recklessly want to offer if anyone wants to add any closing comments or comment that they made earlier. Seeing then we adjourn until to 15 00. Thank you. [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations]