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Requiring tiktok divest from china or face a u. S. Ban. One member voting present. The bill goes to the senate. Heres the house debate on the legislation, fromar he protecting americans fron adverd applications act. Foreign adversaries pose the greatest National Threat of our time. Tiktok acceso 177 million american users makes it a valuable propaganda tool for the c. C. P. To exploit. Over the pask, we saw in realtime how the c. C. P. Controlled tiktok, used its influence and power to force users to contact their representatives if they even wanted to continue using the app. And this is just a small taste of how the c. C. P. Weaponizes applications it controls to manipulate tens of millions of people to further its agenda. Todays legislation will end this abuse by preventing apps controlled by foreign adversaries from targeting, surveilling and manipulating the American People. We have given tiktok a clear choice. Separate from your parent company, which is beholden to th■e c. C. P. , and remain operational in the United States, or side with the c. C. P. And face the consequences. The choice is tiktok agencies. Companieol conscious tiktoks is tiktoks. Companies controlled by a foreign adversary like the c. C. P. Will never embrace american alsoeh, human right, te of law and a free press. If give the choice, they will always choose the path for more control, more surveillance and more manipulation. And in the case of tiktok, we wouldnt even know it. Today we send a clear message that wl not tolerate our adversaries weaponizing our freedoms against us. I encourage my colleagues to support this bill and i reserve the balance of my time. The speaker pro tempore the gentlewoman from washington reserves. The gentleman from kentucky is recognized. Mr. Speaker, i know the sponsors of this bill are sincere in their concerns and in their effort to protect americans. Mr. Massie theyve described the tiktok application as a trojan horse, but theres some of us who feel that either intentionally or unintentionally this legislation to ban tiktok is actually a trojan horse. Some of us are concerned that there are First Amendment implications here. Americans have the right to view information. We dont need to be protected by the government from information. Some of us just dont want the president picking which apps we can put on our phones or which websites we can visit. We dont think thats appropriate. We also think its dangerous to give the president that kind of power, to give him the power to decide what americans can sheir computers, to give him that sort of discretion we also think is days roing. Now, people say that dangerous. Now, people say that this tiktok ban will only apply to tiktok or maybe another company that pops up you just like up just like tiktok but the bill is written so badly that the president could abuse that discretion and include other companies that arent just social Media Companies. And that arent, ynople would b, controlled by foreign adversaries. Again, were giving the president that discretion to decide whether it is controlled by a foreign adversary. There were some people who were legitimately concerned that this was an overly broad bilnd they got an exclusion written into the bill that i want to read. It says, the term covered company does not include an entity that operates a website or application, whose primary purpose is to allow users to post product reviews, business reviews or travel information anevtion in the bill . Why did somebody feel like they needed this exception if the bill itself only covers social media applications that foreign adversaries are running . These and other questions we hope to answer in the course of this debate and i reserve the balance of me. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from kentucky reserves. The gentlewoman from washington is recognized. Mrs. Rodgers mr. Speaker, i yield 10 minutes to the gentleman from nen, and ask una mr. Pallone, and ask unanimous consent that he be permitted to control that time. The speaker pro tempore without objection. Mr. Pallone thank you. The speaker pro tempore the gentman fm y is recognized. Mr. Pallone mr. Speaker, i yield myself three minutes. Mr. Speaker, i rise in support of h. R. 7521, the protectm forey controlled applications act. Big tech has transformed social media platforms into modern day media compaes and unfortunately these networks engage in invasive surveillance practices by collecting americans most sensitive personal data. Foreign adversaries also see access to americans data, communication networks, devices and applications as the entry points to disrupt our daily■ ve. s and conduct espionage activities. And all of this endangers our National Security interests. We have a long history of restricting our tv and radio airwaves from ownership by foreign governments and individuals due to the National Security concerns that these arrangements pose. Social Media Companies should also face similar scrutiny. After all, while technology has evolved, the threats are very much the same. And i also take the concerns raised by the Intelligence Community very seriously. They have asked congress to give them more authority to act and narrowly in narrowly defined situations. I believe this bill will do just that by addressing the National Security risks posed by applications operated by companies controlled by foreign adversaries. While this bill establishes a National Security framework that could apply to other applications, much of the public attention is focused on tiktok. The combination of tiktoks beijing commustt that more than 170 million americans use it exacerbates its dangerous its dangers to o c. Laws in china allow the Chinese Communist party like tiktok to share data with them, whether the Companies Want to or not. This means that the c. C. P. Hk to compromise device security, maliciously access americans data, promote procommunist propaganda aur nations interests. This is extremely troubling. Beijing, china, should not have the control over americans that tiktok gives them. It is my hope that iis legislate divestment of tiktok so that americans will be able to continue using this platform without the risk that its being operated and controlled by beijing, china. However, even if tiktok is divested, china and other foreign adversaries will still be able to acquire vast amounts of americans data, thats because we place no restrictions on data brokers who sell data to them and that must stop as well. I look forward toconsidering nek legislation that i introduced with chair rogers that would chair rodgers that would stop this from happening. We need to hold big tech accountable for transforming the information superhighway into a superspreader of har harmful content, invasive surveillance practices andnd damaging design features, all with the goal of collecting more data. We must enact a comprehensive data privacy bill so that we finally give americans control over how their data is used and collected. So i want to thank representative krishnamoorthi. And i urge my colleagues to support h. R. 7521 and i reserve the balance of my time. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from new jersey reserves. The gentlewoman from washington is recognized. Mrs. Rodgers thank you, mr. Speaker. I yield a minute and a half■vge, mr. Gallagher. Mr. Gallagher thank you. Tiktok is a threat to our National Security because it is owned by a compa the chinese communityist party. We know this because their leadership says so and because chinese law requires it. This billhe forces tiktok to break up with the Chinese Communist party. It does not apply to American Companies. It onlyo companies subject to the control of foreign adversaries defined by congress. It says nothing about election interference and cannot be amern social media platform. It does not impact websites in general. The only impacted sites are those associated with foreign adversary apps such as tiktok. Com. It can never be used to penalize individuals. The text explicitly prohibits that. And it cannot, cannot be used to sensor speech, it takes no position at all on the content ofpe foreign adversary control. Foreign adversary control of what is becoming the dominant newsor americans under 30. This is a commonsense measure to protect our National Security. I urge my colleagues to supportn legislation. The speaker pro tempore the gentlewoman reserves. From washington. New jersey. Ow recognize i mr. Pallone thank you, mr. Speaker. I yield three minutes now to the gentleman from illinois, the democratic sponsor of the bill. Mr. Krishnamoorthi thank you, chair pallone. Thank you, mike gallagher, my partner on this bill. Thank you to Cathy Mcmorris rodgers. Thank you to all the members of the select committee. First, this bill is not a ban and its not about tiktok. Its about bite dance. Bite dance is a 100 owner of tiktok. They are controlled by the Chinese Communist party. Er he has been charged with making he has been chaed with making sure that tiktok and all products of bytedance have political direction. This ensures that bytedance divest itself of the vast majority of ownership of tiktok. Our index is for tiktok our intention is foriktok to continue to operate, but not underhe control of the chinese counthis isnt without preceden. When the app, grindr, was acquired by a Chinese Company an the unid States Government determined that Sensitive Data of lgbtq members of the military and u. S. Government officials chese communist party, they required dwieftment divestment. This happened quickly. Why . Because it was a very valuable social media company. The same is true with regard to tiktok and there will be no disruption to users, just as there was with grindr. Third point. Unfortunately when tiktok has appeared before congress, whether its bmp the before the house energy and Commerce Committee or otherwise, it has not been candid, my friends. It has not been candid. First, tiktok said its data is not accessible to chinabased bytedance employees. False. Chinabased employees routinely access this data, even unbeknownst to employees of tiktok■[ u. S. A. In addition, tiktok said its data will not be weaponized and has not been weaponized against american citizens. Agai false. Published reports have shown that tiktok data, geolocation data has been usedo surveil american journalists who reported on problems with chinesebased employees having access to americanata. Finally, last week under the leadership of the chairman, chairwoman and the Ranking Member, they brought up for consideration our bill before the house energy and Commerce Committee. On the morning of that vote, tiktok delivered a push notification and a popup to thousands of users across the country. They used geolocation data targeting minor children to then force them to call congressionae using the app. And in doing so, these children called and they asked the question, what is congress and what is a congressman . This influence campaign illustrates the need for this bill. Thank you and i yield back. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman yields. The gentleman from new jersey reserves. Now ill recognize the gentleman from kentucky. Mr. Ognize data privacy champion, mr. Warren davidson from ohio, for three minutes. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from ohio is recognized. Ms. Davids i thank mr. Davidson i thank the gentleman for yielding time. The gentleman from new jersey who isnt actually opposed to the bill seems to have identified the real iss■ue which is data privacy. I think its important that we solve the correct problem. Our problem is all these companies, socialotherwise m, your car, your phone, you name it, its surveillance. The spying that goes on with american citizens does need to be addressed and it should be addressed by the energy and Commerce Committee. Ive long pleaded with members of both sides of the aisle to pass h. R. 4, to reclaim the privacy rights that are so deeply infringed in our country. And by avoiding that problem, we take away the energy and momentum to address the root issue. Frankly,this bill today claim te real issue is ownership. But who owns this company . Its not 100 owned by 60 of it is owned by investors, including american investors. 20 are owned by the founders and 20 are employees, over 7,000 employees. The companys headquarters is not in china, its in singapore, and the american user data isnt housed in china, its housed in texas. Controlled by a database owned by oracle. The administration seems to believe they can ban the export of americans Sensitive Data, not just on tiktok, but on all platforms, because they just issued an executive order banning the export. Now, i wish thisz lm was the bl that ms. Jayapal and i have sponsored that we were moving, the Fourth Amendments not for t stopping foreigners from buying it would also address the privacy concerns. If we think we can address the privacy concerns, whats left to address . Content moderation. Remember before elon musk bought the crime scene at twitter. It was a conspiracy theory. These algorithm canceling peopl. You guys are crazy. When musk bought twitter, he kept it operating with fewerempf the employees were trying to shape content information. Which algorithms were used how it promotes certain people and filters others. What youre saying here is if youre not fully engaged with americas threeleer agencies in content moderation we plan to tiktok you. This bill isnt limited to tiktok. Its a coercive power that applied to others. Like telegram, tour, things that provide privacy would be targeted by this bill. Perhaps tether, one of the things they cant control as a monetary system. When you look at companies, if content that isnt approved, its subject it a 500 fine per user. 500 million. 30 seconds . This is meant to be able to take out anything, including ewhere its one user see it is. It could target an infinite number of companies but not places. So for that i do that was done f from the dystopian restrict act, but this is essentially a down payment on the restrict act. The restrict act, i encourage everyone to look it up. This is what the administration really wanted to do. What members of congress, both sides of the aisle, wanted to do is to create a bigger surveillance state. Thats what the Intel Committee wants to do. The speaker pro tempore the gentlemans time has expired. Mrk it and protect Fourth Amendment right to privacy. I yield. Mr. Massie reserve. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from kentucky reserves. Now recognize the gentlewoman from washington. Mrs. Rodgers thank you, mr. Speaker. It is not true that this is a down payment on aestrict act. Not interested in the restrict act. With that i yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from ohio, mr. Latta. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman is recognized. Mr. Latta i thank the gentlewoman for yielding. The c. E. O. Of tiktok appeared before the energy and Commerce Committee and admitted to queste dance has access to u. S. Data. This should be an alarm to every tiktok user. No reason why the Chinese Communist pae in control of an app that can access information on a users phone. Because companies are owned or linked to the Chinese Communist party ared to comply with their laws beetdance and the employ bytedance are taking orders from theom. If bytedance is the ownership of tiktok, tiktok will be available to itss to support this legislation. I yield back the balance of my time. Mrs. Rodgers reserve. The sp i recognize the gentleman from new jersey. Mr. Pallone i yield two minutes to the speaker emeritus, ms. Pelosi. The speaker pro tempore the th, mr. Speaker. I thank the gentleman for yielding and for his leadership on this very important issue. I thank the distinguished chairwoman of the energy and Commerce Committee, associate myself with her remarks as well as with mr. Pallones. I thank mr. Krishnamoorthi and mr. Gallagher, chairman gallagher of the select committee on china for their great leadership. Bringing this legislationfo jurisdiction. Legislative jurisdiction. I have a few points to make. Its interesting toear this respectful debate. First of all, this is not a ban on tiktok. Im a grandmother of teenagers, i understand the entertainment val you a, educational val a. Communication value, the Business Value for some businesses. This is not an attpt to ban tiktok. ■ its an attempt to make tiktok better. Tictactoe, a winner. The people of china have come forth. The tibetans have come forth and said on tiktok in china they are suppressed. They cannot put their message out. Not only that, the Chinese Government misrepresents the situation in tibet. During the taiwan election,ou tiktok, tiktoked into taiwan that the uyghurs, on whom there is a genocide exercised by the Chinese Government, they have told the people in taiwan that the uyghursikl1that genocide. They told them that the people of hong kong like the destruction of their democracy. They dont frame it that way, but thats their message. And again, suppressing the communication from tibet. Then just yesterday on the steps, we heard from the tai taiwanwe heard from the tibetans, we heard from the hong kong, and we heard from a woman whose husband was arrestef his n with somebody with shared view. This is controlled by the Chinese Communist government. But forgetting that, you can, i cant, think of this. The speaker pro tempore the ladys time has expired. Ms. Government can control the atgore rhythm. A yes vote, thank you. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from new jersey reserves. Ill recognize the gentleman from kentucky. Mr. Massie i recognize my friend and fellow colleague on judiciary committee, mr. Bishop from n four minutes. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman is recognized for four minutes. Mr. Bishop mr. Speaker, this is not the first time that res pursued in the interest of National Security. In fact, in five days time next monday ill go to the Supreme Court for the first time i have attended an oral argument in the case of murthy v. Missouri. The case where agents from the white house and the department of justice and other federal agencies embedded themselves on American Social Media Companies to manipulate what could appear on sial media. Express by the American People. Described by the lower court as the most massive attack on free speech in u. S. History. And even as that pins for decision by the Supreme Court, congress would in this legislation would say, effect, hold my beer. I dont use tiktok. I think its illadvised to do so. Members of this body are on tiktok. And i think thats unwise. But i respect the choices of 170 million users in the United States. The Trump Administration attempted to ban tiktok in 2020. And it was held that it couldnt do so in two court decis the inl emergency economic powers act are subject to the berman amendment. Passed in 1988 by this body, to provide that in the interest of dealing with hostile foreign powers, the president canngs wio commerce, but cannot ban the free flow of information across international boundaries. I heard that described as a gap in the law. But its a feature, sir. Its not a bug. This change cannot be this legislation cannot be described as other than receiving from the berman amendment and that principle in american law. Oes nd not emerge from the brow of representative berman in predicr principle of First Amendment law established in 1965 by the United States Supreme Court. In the case postmaster lamont vs. Postmaster general. Which said, the American People have a right of First Amendment right of propaganda. At first it may be remarkable or st that, thats because the proper relationship between government and citizen in the United States is that the citizen decides what to be exposed to a what ideologies to embrace and consider. And is always free to engage in expression, includings international boundaries. That remains the prevailing constitutional law today. And it begs this qst could it be that congress should be working hard to devise a means to circumvent principle, that prevailing principle of the First Amendment. Against the use of a particular means 170 million americans. And isn it ironic that the technical advisors in the construct of this legislation to design it so it can get around legislation including isolating litigation challenges to 180 days, and only in the court of appeals of the district of columbia. Those technical advisors are the same folks at the department of justice who devised that plan to embed agents of the department of justice and other federal agencies with social media platforms in the United States to restrict what americans could say online. Mr. Speaker, america confronts a grave challenge in china. And it will not prevail by becoming more like it. I yield. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from kentucky reserves. I now recognize the gentlewoman from washington. Mrs. Rodgers mr. Speaker, i yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from kentucky, mr. Guthrie. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. Mr. Guthrie i want to emphasize this bill simply would require e Chinese Communist Party Affiliated bytedance to sell tiktok and die v asked does thit affect tiktok . No. Its any foreign adversary or app, owned, controlled, or unduly influenced by a foreign adversary. We must keep americas private data out of the han our foreign adversaries. I urge support, and yield back. Mrs. Rodgers i reserve. The speaker pro tempore the gentlewoman reserves. I recognize the gentleman from new mr. Pallone thank you, mr. Speaker. I yield two minutes to the gentlewoman from california, ms. Eshoo, member of the committee. The speaker pro tempore the gentlewoman is recognized for two minutes. Ms. Gt eshoo i thank the Ranking Member of the energy and Commerce Committee. Mr. Speaker, i rise today in h. R. 7521, the protecting americans from foreign adversarycontrolled a. M. Applications act. Ensure te divestiture of tiktok from its peoples republic of china controlled parent company, bytedance. Why is it essential for congress to do this . Because the p. R. C. Bytedance, and this presents a serious National Security threat to our country. Tiktok has 170 millionplu u. S. Users. And it collects tremendous amounts of Sensitive Data. They also collect substaiackgroe proprietary, which may only be available to tiktok. The National Security law of the p. R. C. Requires all chinese organizations to, quote, sup support, assets, a, and cooperate with National Intelligence efforts. Under this law bytedance could be compelled by the Chinese Government to provide data on every american tiktok user. They can weaponize this data to exploit and manipulate americans through surveillance and this legislation separates tiktoks data, algorithms, and source code from bytedance. Importantly, this bill does not ban tiktok, something i do not support. I support divestiture because our first and most important responsibility as members of the congress is to defend our constitution and states of amer. The bill would also give americans secure ownership of their data, including posts, photos, and videos, and give this administration and future administrations the authority respond to future National Security threats. For all these reasons i urge all colleagues to vote for this legislation. In the name of our National Security. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from new jerseys time has expired. Nize the gentleman from kentucky. Mr. Massie i yield four minutes to my good friend from georgia, miss Marjorie Taylor greene. The speaker pro tempore the representative is recognized for four minutes. Ms. Greene thank you, mr. Speaker. I rise today as the only member of congress that has ever been banned by social media. On january 2 of 2022, twitter banned me. Banned my personal account. On which i was campaigning for congress, raising money, and using my my district they can vote for me. This was not by a Company Owned by china, this was by americanowned twitter. This came on the heels of our own united States Government working with big tech and working with social Media Companies to censor and ban Americans Free speech. I believe this bill is opening pandoras box and im opposed to this bill. Most americans dont trust state of our experience dealing with it. Never forget that the united States Government also was the provided the russia hoax to americans. It also worked to ban Americans Free speech. It also h so many ways to illegally warrantlessly spy on americans through those if fav wilvote ayes. If we wanted to be serious about stopping a foreign adversary, if we wanted to be serious about stopping china, we would stop china from buying our u. S. Farmland. 1awm÷ we would raise up our American Energy independence, we would also stop the Green New Deal and not rely on china who operates 85 of the Battery Market worldwide. There are dangers that lie ahead in this. This is really about controlling americans data. And if we cared about americans data, then wep the sale of americans data universally. Not just with china. ■g issues. This is a pandoras box. Whereas to stop congress or the United States whats to stop congress or the united States Government in the future for forcing the sale of another social media company, claiming that its protecting americans data from foreign adversaries . E another russia, russia, russia and possibly force the sale of x as many members in this body claim that elon musk is altering the algorithms of x. By the way, it was elon musks purchase of x that restored my social media account on twitter and allowed me to have my free speech back on twitter. Theres also members of this body, the democrats are claiming that election meddling can happen on social media. Well, we can forget Mark Zuckerberg and facebook, we can never forget the election meddling that happened there. By the way, americanowneam is e most of the garbage like the gender lies and the woke lies ay teenagers believe awful things and they dont just see them on tiktok, they see them on facebook and instagram too. I dont think this will accomplish what the goal is to accomplish. So theres other concerns, i■÷ think, here. When the government moves into forcing the sale of tiktok, who is going to buy it . Thats the question that we should be asking. Who is going to buy it . Who will be the next to control the data of over 170 million americane going to trust Mark Zuckerberg to control their data . I certainly dont. By the way, most of the time my posts on banned. And i certainly dont have the reach on that social media account. I think that theres many other ways to data and i think this body is capable of it, if we choose to be. The speaker pro tempore the gentleladys time has expired ms. Greene i oppose the bill. Thank you, mr. Speaker. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from kentucky reserves. I recognize the gentleman from washington. Mrs. Rodgers i yield 1 1 2 minus to the gentleman from texas, mr. Roy. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from texas is recognized for a minute and a half. Mr. Roy i thank thepeaker. We are in a cold war with china. And some of my colleagues want to ignore this fact. We have legislation before us that is 12 pages long. The bill is nott forces foreign adversaries, including Chinese Communists, to divest. The bill is not a bill of retroe it. Does the not violate the First Amendment. It focuses on conduct, not content. It requires both being controlled by a foreign adversary and conduct that itself is espionage. If you just have one alone, it might be debatable, as the gentleman from North Carolina or senator paul notes in that it might protect americans rights to seek out and obtain foreign propagan. This case, because we have and have as a trigger in this bill demonstrates National Security conduct harm. To belear, weve properly taken action at the device layer by banning huawei and z. X. E. Spy gear. Weve taken action at the carrier level, prohibiting china telecomfrom connecting to telecom from connecting to our networks. We now nd the application level, when malign c. C. P. Control has been demonstrated, lest we render unf america. We should ban china ownership of our farmld but we should fight them here and stop apologizing for the Chinese Communists. I yield back. Reserve. The speaker pro tempore the gentlewoman from washington reserves. And ill recognize the gentleman from kentucky. Mr. Massie i yield one minute to my friend on the other side of the aisle, mr. Garcia from califod for one minute. Mr. Garcia thank you, mr. Speaker. I have enormous respect foresters of my colleagues to foe does respect for my colleagues. But i disagree with this approach and bill that could impact 170 million americans who use tiktok. 1 3 of all u. S. Adults use the app and millions of entrepreneurs and Small Business owners use the yes, just like er social media platform, there is misinformation and privacy concerns on tiktok and i share those. However, its important that we dont treat tiktok differently than other platforms. If were going to address this issue, weve got to take the same approach media platforms, we cant just single out one. I join many of my colleagues and the aclu in voicing concern over the freedom of expression. Now, im a strong supporter of ensuring that tiktok remains an open marketplace and theres no guarantee in this bill that end of this app. N interruption i dont think we fully appreciate the impact that is going to have and for that im a strong no. Th back. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from kentucky reserves. I recognize the gentlewoman from washington. Mrs. Rodgers i yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from indiana, mr. Bucshon. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman is recognized for 30 seconds. Mr. Bucshon one of the most important duties of the constitution is to protect the American People and safeguard our National Security. After hearing from National Security experts last week, itty is clear the prolific use of media platforms controlled by the Chinese Communist party and other foreign adversaries poses a danger to our country. I am grateful to my bipartisan colleagues for moving this legislation, showing we will take action to protect the American People, their personal data and security from foreign interference and manipulation. We took an oath to do so. Thank you and i yield back. The speaker pro tempore the gentlelady reserves. I■ now recognize the gentleman from kentucky. Mr. Massie i now yield one minute to my friend on the other side of the aisle from the speaker pro tempore the gentlelady is recognized for one minute. Ms. Kamlagerdove thank you, mr. Speaker. I rise today to oppose h. R. 7521. Banning tiktok is an insufficient bandaid solution to the genuine National Security concerns the app raises and exposes. The bill seriously undermines civil libti essentially banning a platform that 150 million americans use to engage in free speech and expression. A statewide tiktok ban has already been paused by a federal judge on First Amendment grounds. Even without tiktok, the p. R. C. Could■ s to conduct influence operations on other social media platforms and obtain sensitive u. S. User data through hacking or data brokers. Finally, this bill would greatly expand the Executives Authority to ban Tech Companies with zero congressional oversight. Blank o some future president who would easily endanger and dangerously weaponize this legislation to profit and lence in silence. Creatives, artist, content creators and businesses in my district will get caught in the crossfire of this bill and deserve better than federal overreach as a substitute for a thoughtful solution to a complicated National Security challenge. Thank you, i yield back. Mr. Massie reserve. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from kentucky reserves. I recognize the gentlewoman from washington. Mrs. Rodgers mr. Speaker, i yield 40 seconds to the gentlewoman from iowa, mrs. Hinson. The speaker pro tempore the gentlelady is recognized for 40 seconds. Mrs. Hinson thank i rise in support of this bill. The day after we introduced our bill, tiktok went into panic mode. They lied to their users, sressn tiktok, using young kids as political pawns. Tiktoks gross stunt proved our point. What if an alert saying our elections were canceled, we must act now. Today were sending a message to the c. C. P. That we are going to deflate the 140 million spy balloons that they have installed on american phones. We must act and pass this bill today. Thank you. I yield back. The speaker pro tempore the i now recognize the gentleman from kentucky. Mr. Massie reserve. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from kentucky reserves. Now recognize the geny from washington. Mrs. Rodgers mr. Speaker, im pleased to yield one minute to the gentlewoman from florida, mrs. The speaker pro tempore the gentlelady from florida is recognized for one minute. Mrs. Cammack thank you, mr. Speaker. Today we take a stand against the Chinese Communist party and their content creators in america into foot soldiers for the c. C. P. You know, we arent banning a company as the high paid lobbyists for bytedance, which is owned by china, would lead to you believe. We arent infringing on constitutionally protected speech or growing the size of government. All were saying is, break up with the Chinese Communist party. As a constitutional conservative, i dont wantnt ore unfettered access to my private data. So why in the hell would we want and allow the Chinese Communist party to have access to our private data . The c. C. P. Is an adversary of the United States and this legislation narrowl directly addresses the National Security threat and protecting americans data and by extension their First Amendment rights because let usot tiktok is not infringing on our First Amendment rights. I would say that this bill, as representative roy from texas said, this bill is about conduct, not content. Conduct, not content. And there is no restriction mention content in this bill. The speaker pro tempore the gentleladys time has expired. Mrs. Cammack but i will mention the speaker pro tempore does the gentlelady from washington reserve . Mrs. Cammack the espionage is not protected as one of the the speaker pro tempore the gentlelady is no longer recognized. The gentlewoman from washington, you have a minute and 3 4 time left. And i now recognize the gentleman from kentucky. Mr. Massie id like to now yield one minute to my good friend from arizona, in the speaker pro tempore the gentleman is recognized for one minute. Mr. Schweikert thank you, mr. Speaker pro temp mr. Speaker pro tempore and to my friends, i am about to try to make everyone mad. Yay. I actually believe data is a private property right. It belongs to you as an american citizen. The problem with our design here, its really well meaning. But i at the structural problem. So you have an entity over here, they divest. What makes them n sell it to a a broker, and it gets washed and ends up still in the bad actors hands . You got to understand, theres even an article out this week of even our own threeletter agencies buying their data now from data brokers instead of doing the tracking. We need to think dramatically more globally. A private propery right. That will be the only way we end up protecting ourselves from bad actors and sometimes even our ownselves. With that, i yield back our owselves. With tha i back. Gentleman from kentucky has 3 1 2 minutes available. Ill recognize the gentloman from washington. Mrs. Rodgers mr. Speaker, i yield 30 seconds tthe gentleman from michigan, mr. Walberg. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman is recogzed for 30 seconds. Mr. Walberg mr. Speaker, last march when i asked the about americasa stored in excess by china, tiktok c. E. O. Stated under oath that it was not accsible by the c. Krmpt p. Hower, this statement c. C. P. However, this statement was a lie as their o internal recording sai everything is seen in china. H. R. 7521 gives tiktok and similar acts six months to divest from their parent company, bytedance. It to dece wr they value their users or their ties to the Chinese Communist party mor simple as that. Vote for this bill. I yield back. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman yields and the gentlelady from washington. Ields reserves. Mr. Massie i reserve. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from kentucky reserves. Ill recognize the gentlelady from washington. Mrs. Rodgers i reserve. The speaker pro tempore the gentlelady from washington reserves. Mr. Massie is the gentlelady prepared to close . Mrs. Rodgers im prepared to close. Mr. Massie you have no or speakers . Mrs. Rodgers i have one other speaker. Wed like to close. So im to reserve until you are ready to until your time is expired. Assie im prepo close. Mrs. Rodgers ok. Mr. Massie if the gentleladies into further speakers. The speaker pro tempore the gentlelady from washington has the right to close. Mrs. Rodgers yes. Id like to close. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman from kentucky is recognized. Mr. Massie thank you, mr. Speaker. I know the other side is i know the other side is sincere. I wont question their sincerity. I think they identified at leasn america. Moral decay of our society. Invasion of americans privacy. Our competitiveness with china. In thisd case their cure is woe than the diseases. There are ways to get at these root problems. We jus taken it upon ourselves to address those root problems with actual legislative solutions. That have been put forth here in congress. For instance, mr. Davidson, the Fourth Amendment is not for sale act. We put a strong st americans privacy. Whether its from our own government or some foreign governments. That is the kind of thing we need. We need warrants in the fisa program. I government shouldnt be able to spy on americans without a warrant. Yet they are. Lets bring that to the floor and vote on it. These are the kind of cures we need. Not the bill thats offered here today. The bill thats offered here today, even though i know its offered genuinely, it could also be named, the facebook protection and enhancement act. Because its not the american gt most from this, it will be facebook. Their stock is going to go up if this bill should pass the senate. What are some ways that we could improve this bill . It should at least have a sunset. Thats the only reason we are able tohether fisa should have warrants in it because it sunsets. What have we observed . Fisas been abused. Thats my person with this tiktok fan. It will be abused. If its just banning tiktok and bytedance and copies of that, why does iteed to be 13 pages long . I know they say it doesnt ban it, it forces divestiture of the company t sounds li business in third world countries and a dictator says you can do business. You have to give me your company. And now you can continue to do business. We wouldnt let another country take over Ford Motor Company for selling ford cars in their country. Yet thats what we are wo here. And again, this is a cure that is worse than the disease. Who is this bill . Is it bytedance or tiktok . Will they be taken to court . No. They are the this, how do you effect a ban on them . By prosecuting americans. The only way you can ban t and the other companies from being here is to say what this bill says. Which is we will bring civil action, the government will bring action suit against you in you if you so much as host them here. If you have an app store that allows them to be here. You are an american or american company, you will be the target of this bill. Those are the only people who can be pursued under this bill. I know its in order to go after tiktok, so they say. I would just close by saying that we are sitting here with phones made in china. Wearing suits made maid in ch china. We drove cars here with chips made in china. And there are foreign adversary, by golly we are going tooing to . We are going to tell americans they cant put a piece of software on their computer. They cant go to certain websites that the president designates. I urge my colleagues to oppose this wellintentioned bill because it will have bad consequences. I yield back the balance of my time. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. Ill recognize the gentlelady from washington. Mrs. Ge yield such time as remains to the gentleman from texas, mr. Crenshaw. The speaker pro tempore the gentleman has 1 15. Mr. Crenshaw thank you, mr. Speaker. I want to address all my colleagues who i think are confused about thet. Confused about the nature of tiktok. And the intentions of the Chinese Communist party. Let me explain this simple. Yted. Bytedance is in china. And when you are in china, you have to do whatever the Chinese Communist party says you have to do. Thats according to the National Intelligence law passed in 2017. If they want you to spy for them, you will spy for them. Thats how that works. They have a boar the Chinese Communist party on bytedance. You wouldnt allow a radio tower owned by the chinese to be put washington, d. C. , and then allow it to just put out chinese propaganda. You probably complain about thats exactly what tiktok can be used for because millions of americans are addicted to it. They see it and the chinese can absolutely manipulate those algorithms. The First Amendment does not give the Chinese Communist party the right to american data or the right to manipulate the minds of americans. That would be a really weird interpretation of the First Amendment. The primary■p this bill seem to be as shallow as it does do everything i want and facebook is really mean. I dont want them to that means you owe chinese access to all of our data and manipulate the minds of americans . I dont think so. This is a very specific bil spe. It does not harm American Companies or individuals. More coverage coming up later. Secretary sta will address reporters as well as russia and ukraine and at 2 20. 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