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Host good morning. Thursday, october 12. Both on the house floor are expected soon though not scheduled. The delay in electing a speaker has hindered any passing. Secretary blinken arrived in the region. We are taking your calls on the topic. Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Democrats, 202 7488002. You can send us a text at 202 7488003. Be sure to include your first name and your state. Welcome to todays washington journal. We will start with the speaker vote. This is a rollcall with the headline, speaker vote uncertain as jordan backers hold out. At least 20 republicans can oppose on the floor, more than enough to seek sink the speaker bid. Steve scalise is bid is on shaky ground as a republicans went behind closed doors to figure out the next steps, even after selecting the nominee during a morning conference meeting. Several conservative said they will not support skellys on the floor, even as his top arrival for the job is supporting him and encouraging others to do so. Patrick mchenry recessed the chamber. Chip roy of texas later told reporters that would not be any votes on the house on wednesday. Roy is a jordan supporter who said he opposed a quick floor vote. He wouldnt backalese if the vote occurred the same day. Lets take a look at what he had to say. [video clip] we have a lot of work to do. We see how dangerous it is and how it can change so quickly. We want to make sure we are sending a message that the house is open and doing the peoples business. Making sure that we are standing in our first resolution that we pass under speaker Steve Scalise would make it clear that we stand under israel. Obviously, there is a lot more work to do. The conversations we have been having with my colleagues over the last few days leading up to this show that there is a resolve that we need to get back to work. If there is a lot of business to take care of. There is a lot of business to take care of. Host that is current majority leader Steve Scalise. We will go straight to the calls. Willie is first. Annapolis, maryland. Democrat. Caller i hope they resolve this. I do not think the American People can afford a potential of a shutdown. I think it is going to be rough on the country. I understand that the United States and israel have some of the best intelligence in the world. I am wondering how could somebody like hamas get a hold of intelligence. I am not too sure if this might be an inside job which may have started at maralago, which i hope it is not the case. How did they get such information. That is my biggest question. Host what you mean an inside job in what way . Caller how do they plan an attack on israel. I understand the United States and israel. If anybody has intelligence, it is them. How could somebody, like hamas get the information. We find all of these documents and maralago were the former president had. I hate to say this. I do not like what you said about the Biden Administration glorifying these people like hamas, calling them smart. Of that is my concern. Host lets talk to ann. Caller i am calling as an american jew. I am going to say that it is possible to support israel without embracing the right wing religious extremist administration. I think calling in the more leftwing israeli politicians to form a unity government is similar to the republicans messing things up and expecting democrats to fix it for them. I feel that the problem with white winged rightwing extremism is not just enforcement of religious creed on specific society, it also introduces irrational habits of mind to reason of debate of evidence. I fear that the unprecedented success to the Israeli Government is not unconnected to the unprecedented failure intelligence. All of these victories and venting abortions victories and banning abortions, accommodating the expense of paying attention to the serious issues of good government. I think the House Republicans disarray is an example of that. Host what do you think is the solution for the Israeli Palestinian issue . Caller go back to 1948. A west bank without an israeli settlement. They should be able to do so with both civilrights they should be up to do that with the protection. I would turn gaza into an international and i would keep a zone of rubble and have the u. N. Established their headquarters there to remind them of what the standards of International Work for peace looks like. Host the coalition government. Heres the headline. Israel symbols a Unity Coalition to steer the a war. Robert is an independent and connecticut. Good morning. Caller why is the speaker being delayed . Why is that vote being delayed . Host it doesnt look like they got enough votes to push scillys through. It is the Washington Post house are without speaker, the chamber will convene on thursday though no votes are scheduled. I also want to show you punch bowl news. Effort epic struggles to become speaker. Welcome to Kevin Mccarthy part two, but worse, may be way worse. The request for leadership seemingly impossible. Only the stakes this time are higher. The time frames are shorter, the oppositions are larger and the House Republican conference is angrier. You have Something Else to say, roberts . Caller i do not want to get something i do not want to Say Something to negative. Cant they bring in the u. N. . That would be my next comment. Host align where . Caller why cant they just go in there . I would suggest that they would probably have to go through the human counsel un counsel. I would think that would hold and fully stop the fighting on both sides were civilians are being killed. Thank you. Host the second look at msnbc. Wisconsin republicans talk about the need to resolve so that other issues can get done. Steve scalise, would he need democratic votes on the floor in order to go over the top . It can be far less than 90 nine. If they choose not to vote for Steve Scalise, if you assume no democrats will vote for Steve Scalise, we would have to try something different. My hope is my colleagues in the Republican Caucus would unite behind the person who won the vote in our secret ballot. If that doesnt happen we will have to get creative. The problem with that is that we waste time. We see the deteriorations of the trends. We need to rearm ourselves. We are running dangerously low on stockpiles that we need to maintain conventional and strategic returns. Host we will go back to the phones about that speaker race and also what is going on in israel with hamas. Maryland, washington. Go ahead. Caller i am calling in reference to the situation in israel. I support israel and what they are doing. I do believe that hamas is people as isis and as evil as the nazis were during the 30s and 40s in europe. They need to be eliminated. The way the nazis gave up is to be thoroughly defeated. There are remnants around. They need to be severely defeated. Unfortunately, innocent humans living in the gaza area, the cost of war are horrific. This is not brought on by israel. It was brought on by hamas. My other concern, my other concern is that perhaps there are islamic terrorists that has recently crossed the border in the last years. Who knows if as we seek to help nations around the world, if they might not at some point start instituting a tax on the United States. That is one of my concerns. I have not heard that address. That is what i have to say. Host a question about when you say hamas should be eliminated. Hamas controls gaza. Who would you expect the Israeli Government to occupy gaza, govern gaza . Caller i am not sure what should take place. I am not a im not in position of power to do that. When nations are destroyed by war thinking back to germany and japan, it does take someone to go in with authority and a bit of money to be able to rebuild. It was difficult to rebuild germany and harder to rebuild japan. Both germany and japan ended up being viable democracies. It was hard in both cases. Took a lot of time. It took money. Host got it. Stafford, virginia. Independent. Good morning. Caller thanks for taking my call. Theres a lot i want to touch on concerning the legal terrorist defense in israel and palestine. I will try to move as fast as i can. Please, give me a little bit. I cannot stress enough how much i condemn any form of terrorism. What happened to israel last saturday with hamas is just heart wrenching and a heinous act against humanity. Look, no matter where someone is from, israel, palestine or afghanistan, you name it. They should have they should not have to experience this type of horror. It is too bad that is what we are seeing in israel and gaza right now. No disrespect to this network even. Theres a lot of focus on what happens to the israeli. No one is talking about what happens to the palestinians. They are stuck in the middle of all of this. It their story is being lost or people just do not care. Hamas is a terrible group. Palestinians are palestinians here to there like any other people. To say that all palestinians are terrorists, that is not true. Host i want to go to secretary blinken. We got him and israel right now. I want to take a look. [video clip] i think of my own children. This was just one of how hamascountless acts of terror. It brings to mind the worst of vices. Baby slaughtered, bodies desecrated. Young people burned alive, women ra ped parents executed in front of their children, children executed in front of their parents. How are we even able to understand this . To digest this . At the same time, the same time we have been shocked by the depravity of hamas, we have been inspired by the bravery of israel citizens. The grandfather who drove over an hour armed only and rescued his kids and grandkids. The mother who died shielding her teenage son with her body, giving her life to save his. Giving him life for a second time. The volunteer security teams swiftly rally to defend their friends in neighbors despite being heavily outnumbered. We are listed by the remarkable. Hundreds of servants to mobilize some homes. People around the country opening their homes for the citizens displaced. People of israel have prided themselves on the self reliance, on the ability to defend themselves even when the odds are stacked against them. The message that i bring israel is this. You might be Strong Enough on your own to defend yourself. As long as america exists, you will never ever have to. We will always be there by your side. That is the message that President Biden delivered to the Prime Minister from the moment this crisis began. It is the message that i and my other colleagues in the government have delivered to our counterparts on a daily, even an hourly basis. A message that i bring with me to our discussions today. It is when i meet with the members of israels newly government. Host that was secretary of state blinken. He is an israel meeting with Prime Minister and other leaders. We will continue to have that for you. We will have the entire event for you on cspan. Org. Going back to your phones and the reaction. Michael. Democrats. Caller the house convened because they couldnt do anything, they had no leader. What are they going to do, pick up their free lunch . That is all i have to say. Host similar sentint here from stephen from facebook. Since republicans cant run the house and agree to a speaker, justurn it back over to the democrats. At least nancy kept it together. This is larry who says about Steve Scalise. Backbone as jordan when it comes to standing upe democratic part it also on facebook. Whetr it is him oronald, lets stop focusing on and get on with bidens agenda. It is unbelievable how the press keeps protecting bidens image. Rick is calling from hayward wisconsin rick is calling from hayward, wisconsin. Independent. Caller on the subject of the house, i support matt gaetz and what he is saying. The thing with the crs, it is actually right in my mind. A side note to my representatives in wisconsin, johnson and gallagher. I do not support either one of what they are doing. Come election i will be. As far as israel goes, i support 100 . What they did and you know the graphic things with the babies, i am just so upset i cant even talk. It is unfortunate that he is standing there talking to this doofus. Where is biden and all of this . I am disgusted by that. I have gone from the independent line. I am not republican, i am not democrat. Host going back to the speaker rates, where you thinking about Steve Scalise . Would you support him . Caller i do not know enough about him. I was for jordan. I do not know enough about scullys. I do not want to criticize him as far as wearing a mask and all of the time. God bless him. He has cancer. We have healthy people. I support either one of them to get the job done. Lets go. Host bill, cleveland ohio. Cleveland, ohio. Caller we are all going to find out why. It is going to be something emotional and something somebody did. There is still examples. My world it was in vietnam and we were called baby killers. Youre going to see a lot of baby killing that is going to go on in this war. But what we dont need in our country, you can see the jews have a leader that is compromised because he has a lot of things that is going on in his life. Maybe he is not paying that much attention. Jews are supposed to be good at knowing what is going on in the world appeared they missed this because their guy is worried about going to jail. Just like we have a guy here that is doing the same thing. You can see what is going to happen if you just look at the gop right now the way that they are just trying to keep our government open. That is all. Host mary is a democrat in fort washington, maryland. Caller as far as the house is inactive anyway. Scullys, he does not have the votes already. People said they are not going to vote for him. Theres not going to be no action. Theres not going to be any money going into the war right now. I am so disappointed in the american styled media with just one side of the story. Washington journal, you have 75 years of history to talk about palestine. Blinken is a joke because he is business as usual. This american foreignpolicy is awful. We need to stay out of wars. There should be no more money from ukraine. They are recruiting 50yearolds. Do you think they are winning . The media is keeping that part silent. I cannot watch cnn, msnbc or the onesided opinion. Palestinian people have suffered. I do not condone what hamas has done. If you want to go after hamas, that is fine. The people of israel said no. They came out and protested. This had a lot to deal with it do with it. You almost press need to get busy and tell us the truth. I am disgusted in the american media. I am disgusted. Why does this country feel like they have to have war everywhere . No money for the people here. There is nothing wrong with the border. That is all i have to say. Host theres this article here on the front page of the New York Times. Shortly before attackers from israel poured into israel. A surge in activity and some of the military networks and monitor spirit realizing something unusual is happening, intelligence agencies guarding the gaza border according to senior israeli officials. It wasnt acted upon because the soldiers didnt get it or they do not read it. Shortly afterward, hamas sent drones to disable some Israeli Military cellular communication stations and surveillance towers along the border preventing Duty Officers from monitoring the area remotely with video cameras. The drones also destroyed machine guns that israel had installed, removing a key means of combating a ground attack. Gina is an independent in alabama. Caller thank you for taking my call. Yell know that america is a republic you all know that america is a republic, not democracy. The definition of democracy is representing a charter democracy is a government ruled by the majority. Although these forms of government are often confused, they are different. You all need to tell people that. All i hear is people calling and saying democracy. We are not a democracy. We are a constitutional republic. People need to learn about their own country before they start talk talking about somebody else. I had enough of this. Jimmy carter was the worst president in history. The one we got now is destroying this country from within. He has us in every war around the world. Go, head. Host how is this related to the war in israel . Caller jordan would fight for our republic. We are a republic not a democracy. We are a republic. Host since jordan is not going to be the next speaker, what are your thoughts on Steve Scalises . I like Steve Scalise. I do not think he quite gets the corruption going on in d. C. Or the state that is attacking average americans. Host republican in michigan. 10. Tim. Caller good morning. He was turned away. The preconception of what the United States is showing with joe biden and Antony Blinken and the United States, is the very angry. Whatever happens and why he is going over there, that is none of our business. That is for them to take care of. The way he was looking at anthony, that is not good. We are not actually supporting them even though they say we are. It looks like we are not. That is not preconception. That is not a good thing. Host will last call for this segment the last call for this segment. Plenty of opportunity for you to weigh in on the phone. Up next, french hill, a member of the Foreign Affairs committee. He will discuss congressional news of the day. Later, aaron maeda discusses how military conflicts in ukraine and israel are impacting u. S. Defense policy. We will be right back. Monday, watching cspans series in partnership with the library of congress, books that shaped american. The book is from a series of lectures he has given on criminal and law and other legal issues. Holmes wrote the life of the law has not been logic, it has been experience. 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Last week was a disaster. It was bad. It was bad for a Kevin Mccarthy, who in my view was doing an excellent job leading the House Republicans. It was bad for our country, the first time in over 200 years that this has happened. I think that that is a problem. It is hard to get out of the hard feelings people have from last week and find consensus. Host what is the move that voted to oust mccarthy into you think there should be repercussions for them . Guest what we need to do is for people to recognize that this is a majoritarian system. People need to honor the voice of the majority and consensus around that. Kevin mccarthy is in support of 96 america to thought he was doing a great job. The secret to a form of government is building consensus. The minority party, the minority inside the Majority Party has a voice. At the end of the day we moved forward. Host are you against the rule for one member to be able to vacate the speaker . Would you like to see that on a waiting list . Guest i am ok either way. It is only one speaker who didnt have it, that is nancy pelosi. You are saying we can go through this again even if we do get a House Speaker . Guest it has been abused. What has happened to Kevin Mccarthy. Host you said you were supporting jim jordan. I supporting scalise east and vote for him on the floor . Guest i will vote for him. Host one is that both going to happen . Guest he is making sure he can get to hundred 17 votes because that is what we agreed to informally that we want our speaker to go to the house floor and not be in any way embarrassed by what happens to Kevin Mccarthy. Steve is working yesterday afternoon and last night to try to rally the votes to become speaker of the house. If he cant, we will go back in the Conference Today and begin again. Host how likely is it for Steve Scalise to get to 217 today . Guest when i looked at the capitol today he still had holdouts. We will have to see where we are this morning. Host i would like to invite our viewers to join us in the conversation. You can give us a call. Republicans, 202 7488001. Your reaction to the attack of israel . Guest unprecedented. The worst attack on israel in 50 years. What was shocking is that policymakers around the world in jerusalem and washington dc is the unprecedented nature that apparently took place without significant advance or warning through israeli intelligence. Host the israeli troops. It is looking like an invasion. When are your concerns regarding the cost on the Palestinian People . Guest israel knows this territory well. They know the risks associated with that. The terror group for decades back by irans money has used civilians as hostages, shills for military operations. What the israelis are going to do is very challenging. I think it is very challenging in any situation. This terrorist organization happened to set up their headquarters around children and they know what they are doing. They are savages as all the world has witnessed the last few hours. Host what about the siege as far as cutting out electricity, food, water, where your concerns around that russian mark guest t . Guest it is going to be a challenge there. The whole gaza strip is run by a Terror Organization that i do not think that cares about its citizens that live there. Host host theres a headline here that says abide in officials House Republicans. Were you in the briefing . Guest i was. I think people were concerned about the lack of intelligence and advance knowledge and concerned about the administrations posture with iran since the Biden Administration has been back in office which is obama 2. 0, which is to not have a full Pressure Campaign on sanctions. Iran is one of the leading contributors to the war in ukraine. Irans oil revenue is up substantial. The administration as everyone read it in the press. There are a lot of strong feelings about the administrations policy. There was between the congress and the administration and israel. We stand with israel finally. Firmly. Host when russia invaded ukraine there was bipartisan support. Now, that is changing. How long do you think that congress will stand with israel if this becomes a prolonged war . Guest we have made that commitment for eight decades. We voted five hundred Million Dollars in our defense appropriation bills agreement. That funding is there. We want to hear from the Biden Administration and the israeli with stocks and some aspects of artillery systems that are not present. Host i want to show you a tweet on x from senator josh hawley. Any funding from ukraine should be redirected to israel immediately. Do you agree with that . Guest i do not think that is the right approach. The russians are part of a people. Iran and russia are in this together. Iran is in this existential threat to wipe out israel. We need to defend ukraine. We need to make sure that israel has the resources. Host this funding on ukraine and israel, should it be put together . Guest what is the strategy for ukraine to win . The only reason people are concerned about what we are doing in ukraine is the counter offenses do not seem to be very offensive. People want to know what the strategy is to win we have moral obligations in europe as well. A Strategic Partnership and a defense pact with israel. We can easily vote for two different bills. Host lets talk to callers. Good morning. Caller good morning. Yes. My question is that, why we are always trying to protect israel. Why would always protect the . M . We are not democrat. We talk about democrats. Look at all of these weapons. God gave all humans these rates. Not just one. That is not right. Once democrats and republicans learned that there will be freedom. Guest thank you. Thanks very much for your good question. It is about freedom for the country of israel. Its not just freedom for the jewish people. We want it safe. Israel who wanted to be an anchor for democracy, Economic Development, Economic Development in the region. We were the first country to recognize israels existence as a homeland after world war ii. It is a place for a vibrant democracy to set the standard in the area. It is not about choosing the jewish people over the christian population or the Muslim Population in israel. I have great hope. You do not have anyone to negotiate with. Do not forget, hamas, the Terror Organization that controls gaza is a enemy to the palestinian leadership on the west bank. They do not even get along appeared they are not functioning together theres not one in my view legitimate palestinian leadership that israel has to negotiate with. Host democrat in north carolina. Good morning. Caller i would like to Say Something that liz cheney even said about the leadership. The insurrectionists are in charge. When you have any republican that still says this election was stolen, do not tell me they are the party of law order because they do not even abide by the ruling of their own handpicked Supreme Court. There was no shutdown because they knew they would take the blame. Without a speaker, government stops working. The the motive are the same thing. It is the same thing with the russians. Guest i do not know that means. He raised a couple of good points. We need government to work. The republicans have that responsibility. It was a mistake to throw Kevin Mccarthy out next week. He was doing a fine job and a good leader. This week we are trying to replace Kevin Mccarthy with a leader and i hope we can find consensus on that is very important. I voted to certify the election. I understand your point. No one embraced or ought what happened on january 6 was a good thing in our capital. It was outrageous. No one supports that. We need to have a government of people to have trust in and faith in. Host independent. Caller thank you. I am tired of my tax dollars going to support them. On the border of wonder to say that in california right now i can see the border from my house about five miles away when it is not on fire. I just wanted to put that out there. Primary israel, i think we need to step back until israel can recognize there cant be any assistance for them. Guest i share some of your concerns about recent Political Trends in israel. You have radical jewish groups that have created strides in the west bank through violence and have seen them attack christians in the old quarter and city. We bought a successful environment and we need them to work that in the right way. I think one of the reasons hamas took the actions they did, they are seeing the good work by the prior administration, continued by the Biden Administration on the abraham accords. A new approach to bring peace to the gulf and Palestinian People. This is a recognition by large arab states and Muslim States of israels right to exist. That is the charge. That is the policy of iran. This is a break to try to move in different direction. I believe hamas, one of their rationales is to call attention to the fact that saudi arabia is in negotiation and trying to find a way forward for peace. Host democrats. Brooklyn. Good morning. What im seeing is another i rabbit war in the making. When we experience 9 11, we went under the intelligence that there was weapons of mass destruction and most of the intelligence came from israel. We lost a lot of citizens and there was no weapons of mass destruction. Future stated that hamas is hiding in hospitals you just stated that hamas is hiding in hospitals. Did you see the hospitals . Can you name be hospitals . What area is the hospital in. Right now everyone on television is saying they will not support this one because they are saying they do not want to israel. Why cant the palestine live in be able to their own. When they elected hamas, we do not give them a chance to govern. Why would you let israel who cuts out there electricity, cuts off their food. Like this gentleman said earlier. It let them run palestine. Let them run palestine. We are heading towards another iraq war. Why do we have warships when we give them billions each year out there. That makes no sense. Guest this is a conflict for hundreds of years, thousands of years, decades. It is not going to be solved easily. The gaza strip is ran by a Terror Organization that is shooting thousands of rockets to kill israelis. They have a strategy working with iran and others to wipe israel off the face of the earth. That is the policy which is a terrorist organization backed by iran and syria to the north of israel. I hear you. The United States under democratic and republican presence has been a force for good in this region of trying to im trying to bring stability to it. I understand your concern about the iraq war and how it happened. This is a much more complex issue where israel is under attack. America needs to stand with israel to draw that back. We have tried a lot of ways to bring development. Bring Development Assistance to gaza over many years. It has been converted to the use by terror. That has been a real frustration. The people who suffer a suffering at the hands of their leaders. Host what is the endgame if they do eliminate hamas, who controls gaza . Is israel going to go back into gaza and try to roll that area of the civilian people . Guest israel has a very emotional response right now because of the butchering we witnessed this weekend and the savagery of it. I know those conversations i had about what the best way forward is. Right now we are in emotional response. We are trying to get the hostages back. 100 people taking hostage. Including americans. I ask that question yesterday with the state department, representative haley stevens. We have maybe 20 americans that are missing in action. In addition to those who have already been killed. We are working very closely. Host theresa in little rock, arkansas. Caller it is a little early for us back here. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions. What do you know about the special Authority Iran mallory that was removed for his security clearance. He was removed for his security clearance. There was some question about his background. There is another person who is still working in defense that may or may not be like mallory. He had some things. Then i was reading that Hunter Biden Hunter biden, we have given it a lot of money to palestine, nearly half a billion dollars that he went against trump and other people to give money for infrastructure and humanitarian aid. When you say that gaza runs the area that is kind of bad because they do that. Theres a lot of things out there that bothers me with as giving money to palestine. It i just wanted more information be i just wanted more information about it. Guest the first question, i am not an expert on that. I know it is under investigation. On the subject to the west bank, the Biden Administration restarted that. We plan in our defense appropriation a statement for a prohibition to the palestinian authority. Gaza gets assistance and west bank gets assistance. They do not have any political connection. They are opposed to each other since two thousand seven or so. Both are separate issues. Both have separate problems. I do not think Development Aid in the past has been converted to use. I do not know anything about Hunter Bidens involvement. He is under investigation for his foreign engagements and any potential connections he has with the american government. I am sure that will come out. Host kenneth anna washington, d. C. Kenneth, and caller . do you know how Many Americans have been murdered by gun violence . We can debate things but we can argue facts. Over 20 5000 people. 25,000 people. You know how many kids in cities and areas of the United States america where water is undrinkable. Would have an approximate number of how many there is . Guest i do not. I know there is a policy in every city to upgrade. Caller it is over 3000. The problem becomes that besides what is best but you do not speak on our behalf. We would think you should focus on americans, not america. I would focus with this close with this. Israel was established. Israel, like other nations have also been caught spying on the United States of america. Humanity should be extended to both sides. When you do not give anything, you are picking sides. That was attacked attack not by palestine, saudi arabia but by israel. It doesnt mean you can you can criticize israel without being antisemitic but it now becomes a talking point. I would just hope but i doubt, even in the american revolution, there were no peaceful talks. It was done violently. Everything in the world is done violently, and that is a shame. Guest we all abhor the violence in our cities. We have urged our mayors, that is a top priority. No one condones kind of violence gun violence. Something that people in Congress Talk about all the time. I hear your point on israel but there has been no more force for good in that region than the United States over the decades. We are still dedicated to bringing peace to the region. Host almost out of time but we are close to a month away from the government running out of funding. Will he another continuing resolution . Guest because some of my colleagues chose to throw Kevin Mccarthy out of office last week, that puts us behind our efforts. We could have passed moral appropriations bill last week, we had energy and water on the floor. We could have gone to conference with the senate. I think we are in trouble on hitting the november 17 deadline. I would propose that we go to conference with the senate with the 70 of funding we have already passed. We have already passed 70 of the funding across the house floor. I propose we set up informal conferences and try to get to agreement on that 70 . That would narrow any scope for than the 40 continuing resolution post november 17. Host representative french hill, thank you so much for joining us. Later on washington journal, breaking defense editorinchief aaron mehta discusses how military conflicts in ukraine and now israel are impacting s. Defense policy. Next, more of your calls and comments on thspeaker race and also the war in israel and gaza. You can call us on the lines on your screen. Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. 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Available on the cspan now free mobile app or wherever you get your podcasts. Washington journal continues. Host welcome back to washington journal, taking your calls now the battle for the House Speaker gavel and also the israelhamas war. The numbers are, republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. I want to start with a portion of for nick ayers Ranking Member Foreign Affairs Ranking Member Gregory Meeks, on House Republicans demonstrating leadership. Republicans, the world is looking at you. We are supposed to be the examples of democracy. Democracy is at stake all over the planet. That is what ukraine is about. That is part of what israel is about. Standing up with countries, our friends and allies, because of the values that we share. And when you show the dysfunction in Republican Party, the world is wondering what is happening in the United States. That is why xi jinping says democracy is failing. So i would hope that the republicans listen and take the lead of leader jeffries, and we can show the world, if they could just come and work with us, that is what democracy is all about, and we can continue our global leadership, to show that democracy can be messy but it is the best thing that is on this planet. Host that was representative Gregory Meeks yesterday. We are taking your calls starting with nancy in tallahassee, florida. The grant democrat. Caller good morning. I wanted to Say Something about all of the violence in the cities that fox news is always talking about. Here we are like children, fighting in wars in the same way. I know it is a stretch but i was wondering if you would let me read this thing by dwight eisenhower. It is just a paragraph. Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed. It is not about spending money alone, it is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of the scientists, the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from the clouds of irony. Host all right, nancy. Jason in montgomery, alabama. Independent. Caller good morning. First off, regarding the speakers race, the way that situation looks is the result of voters. Matt gaetz, Marjorie Taylor greene, lauren boebert, they were not put there to be reasonable, they were just put there to gum up the works and make it miserable. Gop and their support of hamas, the Biden Administration put in an agreement that could have been used as leverage to negotiate with iran and keep them around negotiations. Trump got into office and disposed of that agreement despite multiple people from his administration saying that iran was abiding by the agreement. There was no replacement put in place. All the pearl clutching about that is ridiculous. Lastly, the United States has never been a good faith negotiated between israel and palestine. They have always had the default position of siding with israel. That is why u. S. Government sends them money, weapons, completely cosigns on everything they do. Every time a gaza child is murdered, the u. S. Has blood on its hands because the missiles, the bullets all have the American Flag printed on them. Unless and until the u. S. Government changes their default position and values amenity and life on both sides, there will never be an agreement struck. Israel has no reason to do anything different because they have all the leverage. That is why they can turn up gazas water, power, and food. There is no more where you can think of where one side has that much control over the opponent and you would say that is fair. Because it is not. It hasnt been, and it will not be, until the u. S. Government decides not to take sides. Have a good day. Host he did mention iran, so i wanted to show you this from White House National security strategic coordinator john kirby about whether iran was involved on that initial attack in israel. Even if there is evidence linking iran to this pacific attack, does the u. S. Believe that iran is to some kind of a price, retribution for having supported hamas all along under this point . I am not picking on you but the question implies that we are just now waking up to the fact that they have been supported hamas and hezbollah and other terrorist networks. Hamas is one of the most highly sanctioned terrorist networks on the planet largely because of what weve been doing to target them. Iran, just since the beginning of this administration, we have sanctioned 400 plus entities with more than 40 different sets of regimes. 30 of those just this past year alone. We have increased our military presence in the gulf region because of their attacks on maritime shipping, added additional sanctions because of their support to russia, still providing drones and technology to mr. Pruden so he can kill innocent ukrainians. Now we have added our capability in the eastern med. Nobody has turned a blind eye to iranian destabilizing behavior. What you are getting at is these particular set of attacks. What jake said yesterday still holds. We recognize there is broad implicitly with iran. Hamas would not have been able to function at all if not for the propping up by the uranian regime. But we have not seen any specific evidence that shows us that they were involved in the planning or involved in the resourcing, training that went into this very complex set of attacks over the weekend. Host that was john kirby at the white house yesterday talking about iran and the more going on between israel and hamas. Charlie is next. Republican in jonesboro, arkansas. Caller i would just like to ask a question about antisemitism. I dont understand it. I am 60 years old. Any time anyone talks about their hatred for jewish people, whatever it is, you shut them up and dismiss them. It is the same with black folks in the south. I dont hear any more about racist people that hate blacks. They are all shut up. There is no freedom of speech anymore and i am completely in the dark why there is so much hatred. I dont understand killing babies. If i had to compare one group with the other, i would say one group is worse than the other. It is obvious to me. But that is just a plain look at it from here. I cannot look back in history because you will not let anybody talk about it. Nobody can speak about their feelings or what they believe about one race or another because that is hate speech. So i am completely ignorant. I dont know why anyone feels the way they do because you wont let them say. Host mark in silver spring, maryland. Democrat. Good morning. Caller thank you. Regarding women and children in gaza, where is hamas, where is qatar, its financier, who just built stadiums in their country for a soccer championship . Where is egypt . If they built stadiums, they could easily build tents, latrines for women and children to go to. They are basically being used as hostages. No one wants to kill women and children. And the sponsor, qatar, could easily finance it. Secondly, yes, hamas is evil. They are just beyond description. We all need to recognize that. Host i just wanted to ask you. There has been a lot of criticism about the arab states for not supporting the palestinians, using their cause, if you will. What are your thoughts on israels essential blockade of gaza before hostilities broke out . Controlling very tightly what goes in, what goes out, there is no freedom of movement. What are your thoughts on that . Caller thank you for asking that. First off, hamas declared war on israel. Over the years, israel has been more strict. The past years, frequent years, it has allowed people from gaza to go into israel to work. It has supplied medical assistance to sick babies, for example, who are getting cancer treatment. This idea of this mean israel totally blocking gaza, the vulnerable in gaza, is fiction. Host lets go on to alan in wisconsin. Independent. Caller on the speakers race, quite frankly, almost everything we have seen the republicans do so far this congressional session, three quarters of a year. Everything the republicans have done has been sort of hunter biden none of these things have to do with the American People and their problems. Jim jordan is talking about the weaponization of government, but he is really not. He is talking about political nonsense that has nothing to do with the issue of the people. The state of ohio is strangled under 75 billion in mostly federal student loan debt, for example. But if you talk to jim jordans people, they will say there is no student debt crisis. While all others has been going on over the past couple weeks, Student Loans have been turned back on. 10 billion a month in profit, and government profit, is accruing to the department of education, something that most republicans say they want to shut down. Behind the scenes, republicans, and democrats dont get me wrong, it is a unity party thing. They are fighting for the worst, predatory, unconstitutional loan scam in history. Jim jordan has the judiciary committee. I would say right now he is committing professional malpractice with that committee. He needs to be using that committee to do the business of the people, not the business of the Republican Party. Host ron is next in new castle, indiana. Republican. Caller good morning. How are you doing . Host ok. Caller good to hear. I dont really have an opinion on what is happening over in the east. I would just like to see jim jordan be placed as House Speaker. We need a republican in office to keep the resident sheave resident chief liar from sending money over to other countries. Host lets go to our next caller. Democrat. Caller but i dont understand is, when the british came over to america and took all the land from the indians, they told them they had to stay in this spot, that spot, but as soon as they discovered gold or something that the americans wanted, they took it. That is about the same thing with the palestinians and hamas. They have been in that land centuries before israel got there. We supported them and helped them take everything from them. And then they told them, this is your side. You be here and we will not bother you. And then they let more settlers in, keep letting more settlers in. I dont understand why america has this habit to support people that take land from the original people. That is not right. They have been bombed. What is going on between hamas and israel right now is nothing compared to what has been going on between israel and hamas. They come in with all the weapons, all the planes, everything. They have gotten tired of being treated like they dont exist. They are the ones, the original owners of the land, not israel. Thank you very much. Host republican line next in brownsville, texas. Caller i have a couple of questions. One of them is all this funding going to ukraine and now israel, where does that money come from . Is it coming from the taxpayer . Are we having the middle class, who bears the burden of all of these taxes, responsible for all this money . Host it comes from the u. S. Treasury which is funded by taxpayers eventually, yes. Caller i think the American Public should vote about whether we want to be in debt to these fundings. Are we just giving the money away . Is israel going to promise to pay in return, pay back with interest . Host since we are a republic, we voted for our representatives in congress, for our president. They are the ones that get to make that decision. Caller ok. I appreciate your response. Everything points to the direction that the taxpayer is responsible for this. Thank you for taking my call. Host matt in falls church, virginia. Democrat. Good morning. Caller so much to talk about. I would say in terms of the speakers race, the Republican Party is a mess currently. And it is a mess because donald trump. It seems like no one is willing to admit that the party is dysfunctional out loud. They will do it behind closed doors but there are really three parties in one. I would say the democrats have the same problem, four parties in one. Joe manchin all the way to wish you to delete do not share the same values but they manage to join together by common interests about economic disparity. I dont know what drives the Republican Party other than hatred of liberals and democrats. That is not really a way a party can be run. In terms of gaza, i think it is very sad. It is sad because, for the last 12 years, i dont see any push for peace on any side. America, during the trump years, was focused on isolationism. With this, you see the fruits of isolationism. We have to be a global power that goes out and tries to bring peace to countries, solve crises like this by diplomacy. An ounce of prevention saves a pound of cure. Maybe if we were trying to bring a two state solution to israel or a brokered peace deal in some respects, things would not have gotten to where they are. Hamas is now in charge, and they are awful people, and they are terrorists. But if it is between hope and despair, a lot of palestinians choose despair, and despair is becoming a terrorist. How will we give them hope . How will you give palestinians hope for a Better Future so they dont become terrorists . What is the policy of america to help mitigate that . Host beltsville, maryland. Independent. Caller you know, i think a lot of people look at the problems and they see what is going on but they dont see the root cause in terms of israel. If your country, native homeland was taken away from you, your land is turned into settlements, ghettos, as the previous caller said, you dont have a chance for hope, you become desperate. People are calling them terrorists and all of these things. They are fighting for their homeland. It is easy to sit in front of your tv and judge people. But until you live in a society where you are stuck in one place and cannot go anywhere, and you get killed in mass numbers, your home country is taken away from you, it is easy to judge to say that you are a terrorist, this and that. These people are fighting for their homeland. Everyone saying i support israel and i support all of these things but why is it this way . Host sam in port arthur, texas. Republican. Caller i just want to say today that we are not looking at the seriousness of this situation. Israel is a part of our heritage when it comes to the bible. You have to keep in mind, jesus is ajew. I am a christian man, pentecostal. Jesus is a jew. When you hate the jews, you hate jesus. Host ok. Leon and washington, d. C. Line for democrats. Caller yes. I guess my comment is, having spent over 25 years in the military as a combat veteran, quite liberal in fact, but when you take your war to children, when you put your anger and angst, frustration, you are so frustrated that you attack children, you cease to get any sympathy from me. I think the Palestinian People have a legitimate right to exist, but they do not have the right to foster bedlam on children and the elderly in the cause of liberation. Liberation comes from an internal force. Jihad, as explained in the koran, is not a fight against an infidel, it is against your own sin within you. If we continue to do an eye for an eye, we believe the world blind. Host lets talk to margaret also in washington, d. C. Independent line. Caller i have so much disappointment in the u. S. Government around this whole issue about gaza and israel. Headlines in the news are, israel at war. Israel is not at war. Israel is, in my opinion, on a mission to annihilate the palestinians completely, to drive them completely out of the land, so that israel can have further and complete control over the entire area. I say that, they are not at war, because it is like an elephant and an ant. An ant cannot be at war with an elephant. The resources that hamas has is in no way comparable to the military, technical, intelligence resources that israel has at its command, has over the decades, used against the palestinians, who they have subjugated and oppressed for many years. Host i have a question for you. Do you think thomas hamas attack on israel further carried out their goals . Did it further the Palestinian People . Caller i am not prepared to say that it did. I dont want to conflate hamas with the Palestinian People, because i think that is a big mistake. There are many innocents in palestine whom israel is prepared to treat completely as if all of them are hamas, which is not the case. I also want to raise Something Else that has bothered me through this whole reporting. People talking about the loss of life for israelis, as if the lives of israelis are more precious than the lives lost of innocent palestinians. We hear all of these reporters of individual stories of the attack on saturday coming out of israel, but what about reporting about what is going on with innocent people in palestine who have nowhere to go . They cannot evacuate. What are they going to do, walk into the sea . Finally, we talk about americans who have been killed and held hostage. I would like to hear how many of those americans have dual Israeli Citizenship. As i understand it, obliges them to serve time in the israeli army. How many of them were captured fighting for israel . How many of the american hostages were fighting for israel . Host margaret, we have to move on. We are going to go to a break. Coming up next, raking defense editorinchief aaron mehta discusses how military conflicts in ukraine and now in israel are impacting u. S. Defense policy. Later in the program, California Democratic rep is edited brad sherman of california, member of the Foreign Affairs committee, will discuss the House Speaker contest and the israelhamas conflict. Stay with us. Historian Andrew Roberts called Kenneth Rendell the manuscript whisperer. His new book is about his traveling the world during his career, buying, selling significant, iconic, historical letters and documents from the renaissance to presentday. The title of his book is safeguarding history, trailblazing adventures inside the world of collecting and forging history. 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Washington journal continues. Host welcome back to washington journal. We are joined by the editorinchief of breaking defense, aaron mehta. Welcome to the program. Guest thanks for having me. Host there is an initial tranche of u. S. Military support heading to israel, some has already arrived. Can you walk us through what those things are . Guest the biggest thing that israel has asked for and the u. S. Is kicking their way already is iron dome interceptors. Iron dome is israels missiledefense system primarily aimed at things like rockets, which you see hamas using significantly over the past couple weeks. Iron dome has a pretty high success rate, considered the Gold Standard for this kind of interceptor. Host explain iron dont, how it works. Is it an american system or israeli system . Guest its an israeli system with american funding. There are different layers to this. It was cofunded by the u. S. U. S. Has taken some of that technology back, put that into our own military. The system is linked to a different networking tools, different radars, sensors. Primary floor intercepting smaller weapons. Israel has different layers for higherlevel Ballistic Missiles. Iron dome is the gotwo system goto system if a missile is launched. They intersect in the sky ideally and the rocket is taken out, and everyone is safe. Host you say it has been performing well but not 100 . Guest not 100 . What we saw on saturday since the attack happened, ever since, waves of hundreds or even thousands of rockets launched at once. The idea is you scramble sensors, to many rockets for the interceptors coming in to take out, and things get through. Iron dont has a very high success rate but things can always get through. The more rockets that are launched, the market get through. That is the basic rule of missiledefense. You can only take up so much if there is a way of coming in. Host there has been a Carrier Strike group sent and stationed into the metairie mediterranean. What does a Carrier Strike group comprised of, what is out there, what are its capabilities besides deterrent . Guest there are five other ships with different kid abilities. One of those is missiledefense kid abilities. The reason they operate as a group is you want to protect the carrier. That is what they are geared toward, protecting, assisting the carrier. It also has quite a number of aircraft on the carrier itself. At the end of the day, the goal with sending the carrier stryker, we are going to message the region that we are here, a message to iran. Dont do anything, stay quiet. Message to israel, we have your back. There are other aspects at play here including gathering signal intelligence. A lot of intelligence gathering capabilities. The potential to resupply israel if needed. The carrier has a lot of munitions. You can take a helicopter and fly over to israel if needed. There are a number of Different Things that it brings on a tactical level as well as a posture of saying, we are here, we are watching, and we are ready to aid israel if needed. A message is being sent to everyone in the region to say lets keep this as isolated as possible. Host there have been rumors that a second Carrier Group could be headed to the region. What are you hearing about that . Guest it will be heading to the region but that was a planned limit for several months actually. The question is how long it ends up staying in the region. That is something that we will see in the next couple weeks. I would expect it to stay for a while, given that that have been put forth by the administration as, this is our posture, messaging tool. I expect they will want to keep that there for a while. Host i will invite the listeners to participate in the conversation with the breaking defense editorinchief aaron mehta. You can call us on our lives slid up by party. Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488000. We also have a line if you are active or former military. 202 7488003. You can also use that same line to text us. It looks like israel is getting ready for a ground war in gaza. The president has promised unwavering support for israel. What would that mean as far as military support for israel . Guest i think you will see two things. It has been reported there are some special operations advisors on the ground in israel from the u. S. That is most likely because there are reports of u. S. Citizens having been taken as hostages. It seems unlikely that those special Operations Forces will involve actual operations. Acting as advisors, monitoring the situation. I think that is already happening, will continue to see that. In terms of material, munitions for the iron dome. That needs to be replenished. Precision guided munitions used in these airstrikes that we are seeing across because already. And then we will see how this ground war, if it happens, how it goes. Israel has, pretty consistently, across many president s, Prime Ministers, has avoided going into gaza fullscale. The strategy was we could contain it, we can use technology to monitor it, use targeted airstrikes as needed, but will not go full in. Everyone agrees the fighting will be horrific. Casualties will be horrific. It is something that everyone has worked hard to not go down that path. I think the politics in israel in the wake of this attack, the emotion of this attack, lends this toward being an allout assault in gaza that we have not seen in many years. The u. S. Will be monitoring that closely. We have seen some signaling from the u. S. , that they expect israel as a nationstate, to conduct itself appropriately and to try to avoid civilian casualties. How much pressure the u. S. Can put on israel in that regard remains to be seen. Host do we have all of those weapons given the amount of aid we have sent to ukraine, still planning to send to ukraine . Do we have ammunition to send to israel . Guest great question, one that is being asked on the hill. The u. S. Has been very open, as we are sending aid to ukraine, our stockpiles are taking a hit. Production has not been keeping up. We have had to increase reduction. Are these the same weapons that israel would need . Different munitions for different systems. Israels munitions are more advanced than what we are setting to ukraine frankly. Israel has much more advanced weapons. F16s, something that ukraine doesnt have yet. It doesnt have to be a decision where we take a decision of supporting ukraine or israel overall. There will be some overlap. How that gets handled is a question that the pentagon has to figure out, Biden Administration has to figure out, and then sell to the American People to keep on doing it. Host lets take some calls. Dayton, ohio. Democrat. Go right ahead. Caller i wanted to give someone some woke information. I heard two or three times that israel is the chosen state by the lord, and that is not so. They talk about israel in the bible. Israel was a man, not a state. They are saying that jewish people believe in jesus, and that is why they are calling people antisemitic. But jews do not celebrate the birth of jesus. Jesus was born 2023 years ago, and he was given that title by rome, not the israelites. Host helen in california. Republican. Go ahead. Caller i just read two articles from academics who have actually worked with this issue for a while. One of them is brian katz, the other is hannah. The big question they ask in these articles, why now is iran so emboldened to support hamas . Iran is also trying to bring in hezbollah, too, to make a joint effort to go after israel after israel sent troops into gaza. I came across this interesting raise they use called the axis of resistance. It is bigger than just gaza and israel. It seems you have an alliance between iran, russia very Strong Alliance and also with china and north korea. What is going on is, russia and north korea are beginning to give iran access to nuclear weapons. In may 2023, it was reported there was a new surface to surface Ballistic Missile that could fly under the radar with nuclear warheads. I am kind of extrapolating, going up to a place i dont want to, but this is not about gaza and israel. This is a bigger picture. This is about an axis of resistance, and we are pushing back russia, china, iran, north korea. They are pushing back. Host lets talk about iran and their possible involvement in this. The carrier is out there. Could that provide Missile Defense for anything that could possibly come from iran . Guest that is where missile cap abilities are more important. You are not using those capabilities to take out a bunch of rockets coming out of gaza. It is there to make sure that if iran watches something toward israel, it has its end could abilities. Israel has its capabilities, but the ship would provide reader cabability. There was a report early on, a hamas spokesperson told media early on that iran not only condone this but organized the attack. Quickly we saw other reports coming out citing western intelligence sources, saying we dont believe that iran was actually involved in planning this. Iran says that while we support hamas, we were not involved in this. Other news outlets saying, as far as we can tell, it seems like the Iran Political leadership was not involved. Irans military could do things on its own. Its impossible for us to know. We will hear what they did and did not know. But there is clear signaling with iran saying we are not looking to escalate this at the moment. That is the messaging the u. S. Have been putting out, to make sure iran doesnt take the next step, by putting out the carrier, putting out statement we have seen. Host tim is a democrat in wisconsin. Good morning. Caller good morning. I am pretty sure it is inevitable that the israelis will go into gaza and wipe out hamas. They already stated that they are going to, that is going to be a mess, and a lot of people are going to die unfortunately. I wonder if we can still keep ukraine afloat and israel hopefully. I know the carriers are already there, another one might be coming. I think the bigger threat is hamas it is inevitable, but it will be a mess when they go in. Hezbollah, on the northern border, if they start getting into the mix, start shooting missiles, they have much more high tech equipment that hamas does, are we going to get in . Bomb hezbollah and take them out . We cannot stand down if that happens. What do you believe will happen, sir . Guest the hezbollahlebanon situation is one that everyone is watching closely right now. There was a lot of concern especially over the weekend that if hamas cap going, hezbollah would join in and would become a twofront war for israel. While there have been some exchanges across the border with lebanon, there hasnt been anything major. In this region, major could be defined as ways that others wouldnt. A few missiles is not setting off libor with lebanon and israel. Right now, that messaging point, hezbollah is not eager to jump in and join the fight. Whether that is because iran told him not to do that, the u. S. Has made clear, whatever influence they have on hezbollah, seems to be tamping it down. We will not really know what the real reason is. Right now, several days into this, it seems hezbollah is not eager to jump in aside from just token aid to hamas. That is understanding that the israeli bear has been poked in a way that hasnt been done in 50 years. Everyone is trying to make sure, as horrible as war in gaza would be, as horrible as the situation is, that it does not spread further. Host rich in fairfax, virginia. Independent. Caller real quick. In 1983, i was in beirut. Our battalion left. The battalion behind us came in. They brought in the uss new jersey, they started shelling. Seven weeks later and we are coming up on that next week, the 23rd of october. They blew up the marine corps barracks. Erdogan said this the other day although no one picked it up. What is an american Aircraft Carrier doing off of the coast of israel . We are heading for that again. If we get into this and i am really saddened by all of this. I wish we would play down americas support of what we are doing and let it go on behind the scenes. This crisis in gaza is only going to get worse, the longer these people dont have food and fuel. They will attack us. Someone just mentioned it. It was not the politicos in iran, it was their military that helped set up that disgusting attack on the marines. I dont know if you could add that to the conversation. Guest the Biden Administration, pentagon, people in washington are very aware they dont want to get involved in a shooting war in the region. That is something they are working hard to avoid. The point of having the carrier there is presence, to keep people calm, to keep people from doing it attack like that. Will that work or not . Hard to say. I am sure the security around the Carrier Group is on highlevel alert for the kind of rubber boats with explosive attacks that we have seen from iranian groups in the past. Everyone is aware there is a risk to have u. S. Forces there, but the calculus is, if we show the flag, show strength, that we are there, that can keep things from getting inflamed further. Host israel has always said it has high tech, relies on its technical could abilities for intelligence, surveillance, security at that gaza border. What are you learning about the failure of that . Guest its been very interesting. Our reporting in israel filed a report earlier this week about what happened. israels strategy with gaza is we have a bunch of surveillance, hightech laser fences, cameras, radar, and we will be able to know what is happening. The hamas attack was incredibly well coordinated. They targeted to systems first. They used a drone to take up cameras. They knew where the military quarters and command was, commanded targeted the commanders first in the first wave of the attack. While the high ticket abilities that israel invested in failed, the question is, was it a matter of intelligence that led to the failure or the technology itself . The israelis will have a massive hard look over this over time. The consensus is, we will figure that out later. We have to deal with this situation now. Host joni. Independent in north port myers, florida. Caller good morning. I dont think there is any reason for the massacre by hamas of the israelis. The israelis are far superior to hamas. I remember after jimmy carter left office, president jimmy carter, he was the first want to bring up the fact that the israelis were stealing land from the palestinians. In fact, the whole is really border is on palestinian land. They have continued to take and take from these people. They probably did not Pay Attention to it too much because they were so many israelis already fighting and protesting Benjamin Netanyahus presidency whatever they call it. I dont think america should give them one dime. We can give them support as far as weapons, but i think Benjamin Netanyahu has only been charged with taking money from the israelis. He has become so far right, like trump, he is trying to get out of his own legal problems. Host any comment there, aaron . Guest there is this aspect of why the attack happened now. The symbolism of the 73 war, but theres also been a lot of political chaos in israel because of netanyahus new government to effectively strip power from the Supreme Court to have a say over his decisions. This has like two giant protests over the last year in israel, a lot of it driven by reservists in the air force, you are considered elite and heroes in israel. They publicly resigned, saying that if netanyahu goes through with this, we will not be in the military anymore. There has been a lot of protests in the streets, instability inside the government and country. At one point, netanyahu fired his defense minister and then brought him back two days later. That instability, the sense that israel is vulnerable now, absolutely played into this decision to launch the attack. Host another decision we are following is senator tubervilles hold on military nominations, advancements. What is going on with that . He said he has dug in despite hamas attack on israel. What kind of impact could this have on the Current Situation . Guest the senator has argued that he does not have a hold, if the Biden Administration wanted to push its members through, they could. Technically, that is correct. We saw it with the chief of the army in chief of marines informed a few weeks ago. At the same time, the Congressional Research service put out a report said it would take 89 days of doing nothing in the senate to clear that backlog. That backlog is only grown since that report came out. While the senator is technically correct, his hold is slowing everything down to the point where the senate could not do anything, including keeping the government open in a couple of weeks. What is the impact on israel . Hard to say specifically. There are officers that were supposed to be enrolled, impacting the situation here and in ukraine, that are not there now. Anyone that has had to do two jobs at once to fill in for somebody else knows that it is not easy. The same is true for the military. Host douglas is a democrat in st. Paul, minnesota. Douglas, you have to mute your tv. Nope. Thomas in spring hill, florida. Republican. Caller good morning. I was wondering if the Biden Administration is serious about taking steps to prevent the American People being terrorists. We have open borders, everyone coming in from chinese nationalists to illegals from other countries. Does he plan to use homeland security, National Guard . There may be soft targets. If you look at the black lives matter movement, antiamerican, promarxist, they are propalestinian. The lgbtq immunity is propalestinian. They are protesting. Are they going to keep an eye on these groups as well since they were so concerned about what to premises groups . What steps will he take besides eating ice cream and taking a nap . Host Border Security . Guest Border Security in this Congress Matters the most because it is an issue the hill is focused on. We have seen attempts to get ukraine funding through including i imagine that as the Biden Administration puts forth aid for israel, which it said it would, package to the hill, host what about funding for ukraine and israel. What are you expecting . Guest there is talk that funding may involve israeli aid. Without a speaker of the house, it is hard to have these negotiations because it is unclear who biden and the senate are supposed to negotiate with. Host velma in kentucky, go ahead. Caller the previous caller is ignorant of what the bible says when she talks about israel. Murder against the jewish people has been going on decade after decade, century after century. We dont tell other countries that are being persecuted, restrained yourselves. This is not the first time the jewish children have been massacred. It is not about territory, it is about hatred for the jewish people and israel wants to destroy hamas, not gaza. They have given and given, i dont know what else they are expected to give. Much of the world and some people want total extinction of the jewish people. Host one last word from you, aaron. Guest this is a fiery issue for a lot of people, an emotional issue, especially reports about atrocities from the last weekend. We saw the president talking about it himself, some tough things to see. John kirby was crying the other day talking about some of this stuff. This is a bad situation all around, bad for the people of gaza, bad for the people of israel. The best case we hope for is this resolves itself as quickly as possible. Host aaron mehta, you can find his work at breakingdefense. Com. Guest thank you for having me. Host later, brad sherman, a member of the Foreign Affairs committee will come by to discuss the House Speaker contest and the israelhamas war. 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As President Biden has said, for any country, any organization, for anyone thinking of trying to take advantage of the agony in israel, to try to widen this conflict or spill more blood, we have one word dont. Additional u. S. Military aid for israel started pouring in yesterday, including munitions. We will be providing more ironed him in receptors so israel can protect its citizens and cities. We will ensure israel has what it needs to keep itself and its citizens safe. Like any other country, israel has a right to defend itself. As the president says, israel has a duty to defend itself. The United States will remain able to project power and direct resources to tackle crises in multiple theaters. We will stand firmly with israel as we continue to support ukraine. Host that was the defense secretary yesterday. He is also giving remarks today after this program at 10 00 a. M. We will have that life for you here. I want to show you this article with this headline palestinians rush to buy food and struggle under strikes as israel readies the ground for operation. Palestinians land up outside bakeries and Graffiti Stores after spending the night surrounded by the ruins of pulverized neighborhoods, darkened by a neartotal power outage. Israel launched new extracts and said preparing for a possible ground invasion. The death toll in gaza could not after israel stopped all deliveries of food, water, fuel, and electricity to the enclave while its crossing with egypt is unusable. The war which was started by a bloody attack by moss militants has claimed 2600 lives on both sides. We want to hear what you think about that and this vigorous. And the speaker race. Diane is in washington. Caller we need to do our homework on this, read about it. The history of the palestinians and the jews and the history of how this conflict began at the very beginning. The jewish people claim abraham because if you remember in the bible terra could not conceive so she gave abraham the permission to have a baby with their slave girl. That is palestines heritage. Sarah became pregnant with abraham. Host isaac. Caller isaac was the child of sarah and abraham. They both have history in this area. You fastforward to world war i, there is conflict. The jews were taking up too much assets in europe and they were told to go to the middle east to settle. When this got started, they started buying land in the middle east. It was slowly pushing out of the encroaching pushing out, encroaching on the palestinians. It is like someone moving into your home and saying we are good to take a bedroom and then they start taking over your whole house. That example, look up the maps to the decades and you can see where israel has eaten up all of the property the palestinians had. If that happens, they are to fight back. I am not saying what they are doing is right. That is horrific. It is human nature to want to keep your territory. Ring world war ii during world war ii, the british gave them the right host we are not going to be able to go through the whole thing but i get your point about being better informed. Albert is in flint, michigan. Albert, are you there . Eric in ocean county, new jersey. Caller i might as well finish the History Lesson that began. What people dont like to talk about, especially at the semitics, is in the 1940s, the head of the palestinian contingent was comfortable with adolph. He offered to extend the final solution into the middle east. That seems to be something hidden by mainstream media. Just getting back to the present, there were calls this morning questioning why we should be paying this money to israel to assist them in their defense. What people dont like to talk about is that the protest caused 2 billion in damages. It was the most expensive damages in civil order in the u. S. No one asked me, the taxpayer, if i wanted to pay to beavers communities to repay communities damaged by blm. That is all i will say. Host look at the article from the Washington Post. Antony blinken says 25 americans dead, gaza hospitals running out of supplies. The secretary of state is in israel currently and the joint press conference he had is already on our website if you would like to watch that in its entirety. Lets talk to joan next. Caller i would like to go back several years where after the Second World War and the atrocities done to the jewish people, we gathered together and help them get through what they did. A few years ago, israelites began buying up and taking the Palestinian People out of israel and moving them somewhere else, getting them out of palestine. Fast forward to now where we go to war and start starving people. The jews wanted all palestinians to leave their country. Now they are performing such atrocities after putting them in concentration camps where they could not get out, have a life. I am for everybody. We should all live together. For us to go to war im so appalled that a man i respect is so much, President Biden, should go to work. Go to war. We have troops in 194 countries. They said his son never set on the persian empire the british empire. It doesnt set on the american empire. We should leave the war between the israelis and palestinians to themselves and get our nose out of everything. What is happening is an atrocity. A friend of mine told me the other day, read the last chapter of the bible because what is happening is a horror beyond belief. The jewish people or the israelis due to the cost and is what was done to them in the Second World War by putting them in concentration camps. That is the land they gave to the palestinians, it is like a concentration camp. Host a couple of posts on x, here is a representative says we will not be intimidated by hamas or any types of people. To must all be eliminated. Stay vigilant. Stay safe. Max miller says we feel gratitude for the people in our communities supporting the victims of hamas aggression in israel. Jewish cleveland and others are steadfast in providing assistance to those facing war. Stan is next, new york, new york. Independent. Caller there has been a lot of Incorrect Information spread by your speakers and callers, rather, as wellmeaning as they may be. Israel existed thousands of years prior to the dissolution of their country. Many jews remain there. In 1948, these jews were given the right of independence and the union voted the u. N. Voted to partition an area that unnamed. The israelis were given half of the region and the palestinians were given their own country. These folks that are calling in with mistruths have to be aware that the palestinians were given a country. The coleaders told them to leave the country, they will have everything under order. Unfortunately, they left the country and they would have had it. These wars have been going on between israel and palestine ever since 1948. Israel has been successful. What the colors seem to understand is the United States has allied with israel not only because it is the only democratic country, but because our values and judeochristian heritage is the same. The jews are not doing anything but trying to protect themselves. They have no choice but to go and eliminate hamas. Hamas has no issue. They are not nationalists, they are terrorists. They did to the israelis what had been done to us in 9 11 and resolve these folks up and continued onto eliminated them because they are a threat to our country. Host lets go to cincinnati, ohio on the republican line. Doug. Caller i love to spend. I am glad to hear that a lot of history is being corrected. I wont go there. I think,s committed i think hamas committed these atrocities. They are smarter than we take them for. They went to evoke a broader conflict. Their goal is the elimination of israel. The only way that can happen is if arab nations attack. Israel is doing what hamas tended to provoke which is to invade and create a situation where it will spread. That has a very high possibility of happening. If israel does go with a fullscale invasion, they should follow toms friedmans Thomas Friedmans advice and be much more deliberative to document these atrocities, to do what they can on the world stage and align with the their countries they are at peace with. Egypt played a big role in this instance gaza has a border with egypt. Host what role do you see egypt playing in this . Caller egypt has the border with gaza. The weapons hamas is using i am sure came through the border. I am not sure how else they would have gotten the gotten them. I think they play a role. We try to work with them, but if israel uses if egypt is not aligned with israel on this, that could be a major problem for israel. Host lets go to kelly in albuquerque, new mexico. Caller this whole thing is so upsetting, i feel so sad about it. I am seeing that israel has a choice. People are thinking you cannot negotiate with terrorists, but you do for hostages. You dont for alliances. They have other assets sitting there, just waiting like sitting ducks out of gaza. Hamas is so evil, they are in the tunnels and everything. I am afraid it is a trap. They had two years to plan this. Who is to say they didnt have the whole system rigged to blow up . Hamas doesnt care about palestinians, they have a home elsewhere. Everybody is thinking to go high which is all of the aerial strikes. I am afraid hamas has, has gone low. Netanyahu has a truce to make. Think about the right thing and the hostages and maybe future peace, or you could be like the bad guy who has the choice to leave for to take that knife. I am sorry, it is the jewish people, their leaders are going for the eye for an eye thing. I thought judaism and christianity was about more than that. Host al, good morning. Caller i wanted to tell to the desktop to the editorinchief talk to the editorinchief but i did not get it until he got off. Host that is okay. Go ahead. Caller with this schism in israel and ukraine, he said there are different types of ammunition, but i would like to ask how many initiatives do we have . I keep hearing that we need more and more nations. More munitions. How many wars can refight can we fight giving away all of our munitions . Do we have enough for ourselves. Host that has been an issue discussed. Joe in laguna woods, california. Caller i have a lot of jewish friends and i love the jewish people. Out of love for them i share this information. I was in the navy 30 years and everyone should understand a classic tactic and brief. Look up King David Hotel in the 1950s, the uss liberty in the 1960s, those are all accepted false flag operations where it is not the jewish people who want war and destruction, but there are a small fraction that staged these events that includes 9 11 to bring us all to war and create horrible death and destruction on both sides. Host are you saying israelis are behind the attack on israel . Caller i am not saying that exactly but if you look at october 7 when they came in, there was no response by mossad or the cia. To think that they did not know this was happening, like those paris sales, they never trained in gaza. They were reported. There was no response for like five hours. Who said it, i cannot say names but there is a high probability that was a staged event to allow the people in total power and like death and destruction. I think netanyahu is a candidate for that. He would sacrifice his own people and it is very tragic. It is not a nice thing to deal with, but unless we do deal with that, we are going to be in constant war, blowing up people and getting propagandized telling us we have to go kill these people. Is not fair to them and not fair to us. Host lets go to gina. Caller thank you for taking my call. Islamic terrorists have always put women and children in front of bombs and bullets. Suicide bombers, house military militia. This is nothing new and a lot of people are trying to say it is a moral equivalency. Every time it should be predicated on the reality, this is the way islamic terrorists of every name have always found. Always thought. It is important to think what israelis are up against. It is a massive tragedy. It is clear that netanyahu is the israeli trump. If there has been a failure of intelligence on the american and israeli sides, a lot of commentators are saying some of it is predicated on the division inside of these countries and the destruction done over the years on the Intelligence Community in both of our nations. I would like to say to the americans calling in, whether or not is supported biting and his policies on israel which have traditionally been americas policies, you are probably going to go to bed with strong certainty you will not be bombed overnight. By pulling up talk of the bible and mentioning some understanding that this was how it is always going to be is not true. It is very much of the moment. That is all i had to say. Host larry in florida, republican. Good morning. Caller how are you today . Host i am doing great. Caller i do have some good news. The Climate Crisis hoax is over. This is reality time. We have war going on. I hope all five manufacturers of arms, i think theyre busy. We might need that. As far as the energy crisis, we are going to need that, too. All of his gen z that love abideds that love joe bidens policies, you might get drafted and if you are, are you willing to fight for us . Host i want to show you a post on x from Marjorie Taylor greene who said i will be voting for jim jordan when we vote on the floor. Representative jordan has a plan to move the republican conference forward. I urge my colleagues to join me in support for jim jordan for speaker of the house. That is from Marjorie Taylor greene. Jim jordan has said he will be supporting Steve Scalise and he has urged his colleagues to support Steve Scalise. Nbc news has this article. Ron desantis condemns trump for calling hezbollah very smart during the work. Hezbollah which has been funded by iran has been extending fire with israel since hamass attack last weekend. Ballard is like is next in illinois. Caller i like to comment your program. I would like to come limit your program. Complement your program. Won the nobel peace prize. We are not justifying killing women and children, that is not justifiable. The only practical solution for arabs and jews is a two state solution. Hamas cannot have the repercussions of military assault on the people in palestine. They cannot. It has to be a two state solution. All other concerned parties, remember, a former Prime Minister of israel had a price on his head by the british for setting off a bomb at the King David Hotel. We need to come and understand a two state solution as the only viable opportunity. Host that will be our last call for this segment, but coming up next, representative brad sherman of the four Affairs Committee joins us to discuss the House Speakers contest and the israelihamas more. War. Cspans campaign 2024 coverage is your front row seat to the president ial election. Watch as we follow candidates on the campaign trail with meet and greet, features, and more. 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Is there a role you see democrats playing in that . Guest guest i think republicans will fail to elect a speaker in several days and we can learn from what is happening in israel in time of crisis. Israel is forming a unity government. We ought to have a unity speakership. Whether you would like to serve as a speaker, maybe president george w. Bush, somebody. Much more important than the name is we need equal revisitation on the rules committee, we need to bills brought to the floor that reflected the views of the overwhelming majority of both parties. Otherwise there will be four or five of the craziest republicans controlling an Important Branch of government. Host do you think that is possible . Could there be powersharing among democrats and republicans . Guest Winston Churchill said americans always do the right thing after exhausting all the other alternatives. I think it will take many weeks and then at some point publicans will realize governing from the french and tried to satisfy the last craziest member, you can satisfy hundreds of members if you just agree this is an evenly split house and we are to have an even split in how decisions are made. The israelis can do it. Do you think democrats and republicans dont get along . Folks in this unity government in israel make nancy pelosi and Kevin Mccarthy seem like dancing partners. Host lets talk about that issue commodore reaction to the attack last weekend that issue, your reaction to the attack last weekend . Guest horrific, the beginning of a long and terrible war. Hamas has been clear, they want to kill more expelled every is really from the middle east and that is their position. I would like to see peace but you cannot make peace with the people on the other side say i want to kill you, your family, and everyone you know. For many years israel has tolerated hamas. I dont think they can anymore. Host i want to show you a clip indicator response. Yesterday republican representative john bacon was very critical of the Biden Administrations response to iran and hamas. Lets take a look. [video clip] iran is behind this. The administration was wrong, they said theyre not sure what irans role was. Iran helped hamas for over a year to plan this operation. Iran is connected to hezbollah in the northern part of israel and southwestern syria. I anticipate hezbollah being activated to help hamas. The perimeter of israel will sit back and say iran is behind this whole thing. I would not be surprised to see israel is a link to iran. Iran organized and make this possible. Over 1000 israelis have been killed, i dont think israel can ignore it. Host your response to that . Guest there is this effort to create a Political Division over the slightest details. Iran has always supported hamas. Iran is the source of 70 of their funding. Islamic jihad is the baby brother of. Hamas they get perhaps 100 of their funding from iran. Everybody knows that. What there is disagreement with is the degree to which the iranians are involved in operational planning. Morality, that hardly matters at all. This was done consistent with iranian objectives. It was applauded by iran. Weather elements of the revolutionary guard corps were involved in sparring in spying is a moral irrelevancy. We see in israel at a time of crisis people unifying. We see here partisan bickering that is unnecessary and harmful. The New York Times host the New York Times is reporting that Senior Iranian intelligence officials were taken surprised by this attack. Guest nobody is surprised hamas works every day with iranian funding to kill as many israelis as they can. What surprised even hamas is the degree to which theyre not surprised by the size of this but they are more successful than anybody would have ever imagined. The exact today, the exact scope, the fact that hang letters hang gliders would be used, may be the iranians do that, maybe they didnt. You give them a gun and tell them to kill innocent people and the fact that you dont know it on tuesday is a moral irrelevancy. Host i wanted to ask you about funding. Here is a wall street journal headline hamas militants behind is really attack raised millions in crypto. Digital currency transactions show how has struggled to sever the difference between hamas, plo, and has been and hezbollah. Guest i dont think people understand how ported the american dollar is to american power. You think of american power, you think of an Aircraft Carrier. But the role of the american dollar in our ability to see major transactions or stop major transactions is because of this role and the role we play in the traditional banking system. The advocates for cryptocurrency have told us what they want. When somebody tells you who they are, believe them. Hamas tells you you want to kill as many jews as they can, believe them. We went to create hidden money, that is what cryptocurrency means. We want to eliminate americas ability to observe the phrase activity. Host what can congress do . Guest pull the plug on crypto. If no american is legally allowed to by cryptocurrency, crypto will drop off the face of the earth. Then we will have the kind of power that allowed us under the Obama Administration to tell iran how much will they can sell and to which countries. If you look at what the crypto brothers say, they are kind to destroy that power. They are called patriotic anarchists. They were ready, can flag, destroyed american power. Host i will invite our viewers to join the conversation, you can do that on our lines. 2027488001 for republicans. 2027488000 for democrats. 2027488002 for independents. Before we take calls, i want to ask you about rashida tlaib. She said this, the failure to recogne violent reality of living under siege, occupation, andrtheid makes no one safer. No person, no child anywhere should have to suffer or live in fear of violence. We cannot ignore the humanity in each other. Guest hamas ignores that humanity every day. The Palestinian People have lived under hamas oppression in gaza for decades. They suffer from that everyday. Gaza would be as vibrant as in singapore if it was not for,s for hamas and their dedication to kill 7 million jews. As for the partisanship of this, Vice President pence said it right after this began when he saidp this is what happens when Republican Leaders educate Republican Leaders try to take off of the world stage. What happened prior to these attacks was 198 republicans voted for a 30 cut in americas aid to israel. Rashida tlaib is one democrat. Host lets talk two colors now. The first up is marsha. Caller thank you for taking my call. I am a black straight women. I believe the these wars are about four white men acting like babies. This is not a black war where a black war but a jewish war. Where are the carters that can make peace . Guest i think we all want peace and female half of the human race has been involved in a lot of decisionmaking over the last several thousand years and it is a bloody history. I am glad we have any alltime high representation of women in our own decisionmaking process. Over 100 years ago, the suffragettes said if women had the vote, we would reach peace around the world. So far, neither men by themselves or men working with women have achieved that. Host on the republican line, mike, youre on with congressman brad sherman. Guest 8 caller good morning, a couple of points. I am glad to hear say about rashida tlaib. I know there are jewish house members, goldman was in israel when the attack happened. All of yall will condemn and call me and other people like me maga extremists but he didnt have yet a city to call out alexandria ocasiocortez as terrorist extremists. You serve in the u. S. Congress, right . Guest yes i do. Caller the u. S. Congress should only have American Flags in there. That is like someone from georgia mississippi hanging a Confederate Flag on there. Guest if i can interrupt. Quite a number of my colleagues, democrats and republicans have lapel pins, the ukrainian flag and the American Flag together. I have one that on occasion warned that on occasion. I have worn the crust flags of south korea and the u. S. And crust flags crossed flags of the u. S. And israel. We have that. Host lets talk to jay in arlington, virginia. Caller good morning. Thank you for your program. My question to you is why what happened the other day has no room, my question is why you never hear any kind of culling out of the israeli side calling out of the really side. To be calling out the israeli side. You have two separate systems of operation. It doesnt make sense. There are people looking at this where any other rational coverage will let you know this is not acceptable. It cannot happen, it is not sustainable, it is dangerous for world peace and even our own peace. My question for you, are you able to at least acknowledge that there is a breach of International Law and we are not a neutral arbiter trying to bring peace to these boring partners to these warring parties . Guest there is a breach of national law when a thousand Israeli Citizens are massacred and raped. There are reports of beheadings, killed just because they are jewish. As to this conflict, obviously the middle east conflict and dangers the world, it endangers the United States, terrible for the israelis. The solution is a two state solution. ,s hamass solution is kill anyone they can who supports the two state solution. The idea that israel should simply let hamas continue to have this monster on the poor monster on their border is not workable. Host what about as far as International Law goes and Holding Israel to account as an occupying power . Guest israel should not be any occupying should not be any occupying power. This is the most benign occupation of the other side that i know of in history. Occupation is bad. Dissolution is a two state solution. Israel was withing 20 years ago and longer was willing 20 years ago and longer to give palestinians more than anything they would be willing to get in these negotiations. Arafat turned down. Israel in 1948 accepted a partition plan, a two state solution that would be roughly half the size of israel today in terms of populated areas. Israel keeps asking for a two state solution. Whether it is the attack in 1967 or the attack of last week, that is what happens. That is the International Law. America has been playing that all of our weapons are given on the condition that israel uses them consistent with the rule of law. No country exceeds israel in its efforts to make sure it weapons dont kill civilians. That is an ever successful effort. We would get bombings in vietnam and afghanistan, even if you are trying to hit a military target, hamas makes that worse by using human shields, by having arms depots in mosques and schools. When you add the difficulties of war, which never go the way you plan, and human shields, you have civilian casualties you try to avoid. The law of war does not say there can never be a sibling casualty, and is set forth it is to set forth efforts to try to avoid it. U. S. And israel are at the forefront of trying to do that compared to other nations waging war. Host bradley in georgia, democrat line. Caller my understanding is that hamas is a sunni terrorist organization. Is that correct . Host yes. Caller could you explain why it is out of the possibility that rightwing elements in israel and saudi arabia who is sunni would not conspire to do this so netanyahu would and we would get drug into a war . I think it is very possible. Guest i think that is basically crazy if you have ever dealt with government. I have dealt with government 30 years. When you do anything in government, any of the people who know about it strongly disagree, it leaks. How you would ever put together a group of thousands of israelis and not one of them would disagree with raping and killing 1000 more israeli civilians, you cannot get three israelis to agree on what kind of hummus. You are not going to get thousands of armed israelis to agree to rape and murder their own people. You heard the same stories about 9 11. That was slightly less insane in that there are only roughly 20 hijackers involved. This involved thousands of people. There is simply no way that 9 11 could have been an inside job, that this attack could be an inside job. If people want to know what President Biden had for breakfast, that would leak, too. Host lets talk to larry in north carolina, independent line. Larry . Caller about israel and hamas, hamas are basically cowards. They hide within the palestinians. The palestinians should be responsible enough to have their own country but they want. Israel has the right to attack any target in gaza. Hamas does not care who he kills or anything and it is backed by iran. The Biden Administration itself, the attitude they have towards iran has caused a lot of this crippling in ukraine and the middle east. The money obama sent iran, over minutes of dollars come and what in the world did the Democratic Party think they were going to do with that . Guest there is a lot there. I agree that israel has a right to hit any target but i would say any military target. As to the discussion of money, there is a six print dollars transferred from a south korean bank to a bank in qatar, but not any of that money has been spent. Host should that be taken back . Guest if you shall be a way to to get back, i think we should because we transferred that money in part because it was their money and they sold the oil to south korea. In part, we allowed that transfer to get our hostages back and no one should ever have to pay for hostages. If you pay for hostages and you can take it back, you should. Host are you saying there is no way of retransferring that money . Guest i would be very surprised and i have not seen the documents. Lets put it like this, if there was in there any lawyer who negotiated the deal in which we could just give them let them have the money and venting it back to south korea and lock it up, that during a lawyer will be subject to whipping and perhaps execution because that is a level of legal malpractice. I cannot imagine the iranians turn over their hostages they were holding, americans. Democracy democracies always overpay for hostages. Democracies are portable when people are held hostage are very vulnerable when their people are held hostage. A partition of for policy has to wince. When you see whats up did for our hostages from the taliban and others in oman and what fee is really government has done, in one case treating 1000 terrorists for one israeli soldier, it is difficult for a democracy not to do a lot to get a hostage back. I am for anything that would take the money back. If that gets an iranian lawyer in trouble, even better. Host in california, the line for democrats. Caller how many palestinian lives in your opinion is equal to one jewish life . One, 2, 4, 10, 100, 1000 . You are sitting there talking about israeli lives, you never mentioned one palestinian life. Guest i think i did. As i said, hamass oppression of palestinians in gaza has hurt life in gaza and lead to more deaths in gaza than perhaps all of those killed this last week in israel. There is not a ratio of civilian lives of one nationality or religion or another. There is a difference between, between hamas that says we delight in killing babies. It is a military that sits there and says we will hit this building this way but we wont hit that target, we will endanger lives of Israeli Soldiers to avoid unnecessary civilian casualties. An is really government an Israeli Government that does warning leaflets to say we are going to bond this target. That is not effective military action, no general we recommend that but that is what israel does to avoid casualties. I dont know any other country that does that. Host we are out of time. So much more to say, thank you for being on the program. Brad sherman, democrat of california and member of the four Affairs Committee. Thank you so much. Guest thank you. Host that is all of the time we have got. We will be back tomorrow morning 7 00 a. M. Eastern here on cspan. We are going to take you live to lloyd austin who is holding a press conference in brussels following the meeting of natos North Atlantic Council organization to discuss the ongoing crisis in were excited to come together to commemorate this great anniversary of this alliance. Im happy to be here and ill take a couple questions. The first question will go to rd