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Walls. The president continues to insist that border walls do not work. We will talk about the decision in reaction to it and reaction to it. Phone lines are open for you to call. Its 202 7488001 for republicans, democrats 202 7488000, independents 202 7488002, and a special line this morning for border state president s border state residents 202 7488003. You can text us. Catch us with catch up with us on social media. In good morning to you. You can start getting calling now. More on this story from the hill. Good morning to you. Biden stuns allies with order while bombshell with border wall bombshell. Explain the action the administration is taking and why now . Guest why now is certainly the question at the top of everyones minds. What we have seen is this week the department of Homeland Security filed in the federal register notifying that the government would be waving a few dozen environmental and conservation regulations, allowing the government to move forward with construction of the border wall in texas along the border. This was allowed in 2019 as congress appropriated funds for the border wall when former President Trump was in office. The Biden Administration is moving forward now. They are waving these regulations, which allows them to build a several miles long wall along the border in texas. The question about now comes as President Biden and his administration have faced a lot of pressure from democrats and republicans about the state of the border, concern about the influx of migrants coming across the border so the timing aligns with that, but that said, there is no good time for President Biden to be trying to do this given his own constant criticism of the construction of a wall during the Trump Administration and given the onslaught of criticism that democrats brought against the border wall from the years trump was in office. Host President Biden insisting again yesterday that border walls dont work but waving some of these regulations and environment of standard you work referring to dishy you were referring standard you were referring to. Guest that is something republicans are seizing on, the idea that President Biden, who said walls do not work, is now green lighting construction, additional construction, of the wall, so it is this tricky balance where the Biden Administration is acknowledging theres an issue at the border and they are tacking taking action to try to curtail these crossings. They are appearing to throw their weight behind an idea they had criticized. It puts his administration in a difficult position and as a result criticism from both sides of the aisle. We know President Trump built somewhere between 450 and 500 miles of border wall. How many miles are we talking about here have been authorized and where are these wells being built . Are these new walls or are they fixing up old walls . The expectation is they will be over 20 miles of wall. This is the number thats been thrown out in the area we are talking about, which is in an area thats seen a pretty high increase in border crossings in the last couple months, so that is the idea now. Officials did say on a call to reporters thursday that the new construction of wall would be built on movable structures so they may not be permanently built their. That is something to keep an eye out for. But still, as we have been saying, any amount of wall the Biden Administration bills will come under criticism, certainly from the democrats and even some republicans, who view this as a political play. Host you mentioned the reaction on capitol hill. What about the reaction off the hill for those in texas and on both sides of the immigration debate around the country . Guest theres frustration from some of the advocacy groups that have been critical of wall construction. We have seen some of those groups. I think theres a bit of confusion and criticism we are seeing from that given President Biden himself is saying walls do not work and yet his administration is moving forward with it anyway. And on the flipside of the debate, we heard from former President Trump and others on his side of the debate, essentially accusing biden of going back on his word of being the guy who criticized wall construction for years and is now appearing to adapt that idea for political purposes. The white house is arguing their hands are tied, this is congressional funding that was allocated. They cannot do anything but use it for the wall. But certainly thats not really that much to calm the criticism they are getting. Host and finally, this authorization happens this week. When are we expected to see the actual walls going up . How long does it take from what happened this week to putting the walls and the ground . Guest it will still take a bit of time. We are talking about a handful of months before we see this fully constructed, so its not going to be overnight to these walls are built, but certainly i think it comes at a time when the administration is sensitive to criticism they have gotten, not just from republicans on this but from democrats. Earlier this, the governor of illinois wrote a letter to President Biden saying the state and its resources were strained by the influx of migrants being sent up from texas and asking for additional assistance so this underscores this is an issue the white house is a hearing not just from republicans but also from democrats. This additional wall construction, while controversial, the white house argues their hands are tied with funding and they hope this maybe calms some concern. Host if you want to read more on this story, thehill. Com. Brett samuels at his colleagues have their stories. Brett samuels is the White House Reporter with the. Appreciate you getting up early with us on the washington journal. Guest thanks. Host we are taking your phone calls on this action that happened this week, President Biden approving plans to expand the border wall along the u. S. Mexico border. 202 7488001 for republicans, democrats 202 7488000, independents 202 7488002, and we have that line for border state residents, 202 7488003. Here is President Biden from yesterday in the oval office being asked about border walls. [video clip] it was appropriated for the border wall. They would not reappropriate the money. In the meantime, theres nothing under the law. They have to use the money for that. I cannot stop that. Does this make the wall longer . No. Host that was President Biden yesterday in the oval office. Taking your phone calls. Republicans, democrats, independents and border state residents. We will start in massachusetts. Good morning. Caller i have a few comments. The first comment is that all these people that came running over the border, its basically bribery for them to vote for the democrats. You know it and everybody in the u. S. Knows it. Number two, his poll ratings are down to 12 or 14 of people want this guy back in office because we know he is corrupt. We know that he wants to do everything to tear down the United States, not build it up. And then the third point is, these people that are illegal, over the last couple years, if they vote in the president ial election and we dont have a country, we dont have a voting system. We are a communist country. Host thats billy massachusetts. Barbara in pasadena. Good morning. Caller good morning. I am a democrat and i dont vote just for the democrats. I vote for the person who can do the job. I agree with biden. Its i think they i think its time they follow the rules and build a wall. And we just cannot support these influx of people crossing the border. They should go back and apply to come to the United States instead of coming in the back door. Host barbara, what did you think about building walls during the Trump Administration . Caller well, at that time, i was not supporting it, but i think that we need to take some of these expanses they have already passed in take care of ukraine because we are part of that. Instead of spending money on migrants in the hotels. Yeah. I work so hard and nobody is helping me. I put my kids through School Without help from the government. They went to private school. We were not middleclass at the time. Now we are. But we have to pay tax and we have to do our jobs. Host thats barbara in pasadena, maryland on some of the numbers on crossings over the border. Approximately 50,000 migrants from venezuela crossed the u. S. Mexico border unlawfully last month in september, a record, and one unthinkable member according to preliminary statistics is the alltime monthly record in crossings from venezuelans, was partially fueled which partially fueled the yearly high in crossings, making up a quarter of the more than 200 thousand apprehensions reported by Border Patrol last month. On sundays, as many as 3000 migrants froms and migrants from venezuela crossed the border in 24 hours. That from cbs. Taking your phone calls on the immigration issue and President Biden approving plans to expand the border wall. This is a longtime cholera, joe, georgia longtime caller, joe, georgia, republican. Caller we need to enforce the border and that is why i am strongly for jim jordan for speaker because you get him in and you will get that straightened out. He will be the best speaker in history. The border is unbelievable. We have to defeat him. We already have a 33 trillion debt and thats another good thing about jim jordan. He will do something about the deficit. But we need to build a border wall and get that border under control. That is important. You do a great job with cspan. Host we will be talking about the speaker race later in the show. Why jim jordan and not Steve Scalise, who is also throwing his hat in the ring . Caller i think jim jordan is more conservative. I have studied his career. I dont think theres a better taxpayer or Small Business champion in washington, in the senate or the house, then jim jordan. I think he and trump will make the best team in history. Because im so fired up about jordan and trump, i will go out and buy some more bluechip stock today. Host thats joe. We will probably see you on november 6 . Caller you will. Love cspan. Keep up the great work. Host thats joe. Speaking of former President Trump and the speakers race, the former president endorsing jim jordan in a true social post overnight, that story making headlines ahead of the speaker vote that will be happening wednesday of next week. Again, we will talk more about the race in our next segment. Taking your phone calls about the border wall issue. This is rudy in bowling green, ohio, democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. Its as the son of Illegal Immigrants as the son of Illegal Immigrants from mexico, even i dont fully understand the full problems of immigration coming into this country but i do know that i love and care for the people in ukraine. If this is some part of a deal to get some money to ukraine to put up a little wall, fine. Ive much rather would have that than the expansion of russia across all of europe. That is pretty much it. Host rudy in ohio. Some reaction from capitol hill. Congressman garcia, a democrat, same walls are a reactionary measure rooted in antiimmigrant hate. We should not double down on building them. Veronica escobar saying walls are a symbol of our broken immigration system and a lack of political will to address Immigration Reform. A republican florida after florida saying after years of finger wagging, they knowledged the need of the wall. And another, better late than never. The administration has been studying if walls work and i guess they figured it out. More reaction from another republican on capitol hill. She was on fox news yesterday. [video clip] i feel like john mclean in the greatest Christmas Movie of all time, diehard. Wacom to the party, powell welcome to the party, pal. Yes what . It has. Now this administration and blue states and cities across america are going to pay the price and so now we get 20 miles of border. They have to violate 26 federal laws to do that but the law has never mattered to them. Part of the thing that needs to happen for all these cities and states and the white house, they have to admit they were wrong. The first step to fixing the problem is admitting you were wrong and we know the trump derangement syndrome is alive and well at the white house. They need to admit he was right and they were wrong, that the border wall is effective, it is a force multiplier, the technology is helping in pushing back against the illegals coming across the border, and putting America First works. That is why people are so mad. Host a congresswoman yesterday on fox news. This is ryan on the line for border state residents out of el paso, texas. Good morning. Caller you know, i just want to say, as a border state, its important to see both parties try to work on this issue and i appreciate the president following through on this. For folks to say democrats dont care about the border, they will have to take a look at actions like this that have been taken by the Biden Administration, and it does have implications for future election cycles, including texas. In texas, is a lot more purple than people think, and this border issue has turned especially border state voters to the Republican Party. Hoping they can come back to the Democratic Party and realize these border states have a vested interest in the Democratic Party. So i think it has a bright picture in the future for the state of texas. Perhaps they can turn purple and change the landscape of the Electoral College finally. Host we played that clip of President Biden in the oval office being asked about it, saying he does not think border walls work, so what about the two messages here . Fast track this and waive some of the environment standards to get things built, but the day after the news breaks, saying border walls dont work. Caller democrats have to learn how to walk and chew gum at the same time. The immigration thing has been a broken situation for a long time. Both parties speak out the side of their neck and dont fix the issue. In this case, joe is one of the best politicians, knows exactly how to build a Bipartisan Coalition and get the job done and walk it back at the same time. We have seen several president s do that, the great ones. For people to say the democrats want open borders, its not true. Now, the effectiveness of the wall, they are taking other measures. I dont disagree with what the publican congressional lady said, but i think this gd for the future and has lots of electoral applications. Host thanks for the call from el paso. This is washington, joanne, independent. Good morning. Caller good morning. I want to say there is shame in not changing but theres no shame in changing and that is what i have to say. Thank you. Host is this a change for the good . Caller yes. Theres no shame in changing. But there is if you dont. Host joann amash at. James out of detroit. Your next. Caller good morning, america. We have all these complainers about the immigrants but do you realize the people coming here are coming from venezuela . They have plenty of oil and everything but they cannot even afford to feed themselves. I get sick and tired of people coming to america from other countries in europe. They want a better life. Not oppose it. I agree we need to help them. But its amazing to me these people are calling. Immigrants came here with the idea that they want freedom and a better life for themselves but they have a problem with others having the same thing. America, get that mentality out and welcome people from all over the world. God did not create this problem. We need to help the people in the world. Think about it. Venezuela. Host got your point. Thats james in detroit. This is marcus out of chicago, republican. Your next. Caller good morning. First, i am running for congress because im tired of this nonsense going on in my district here. The wall is not going to be the type of wall President Trump it up. It will be a flexible piece of nonsense. He will not use the materials he will be allowing to be resting b rusting. The border states have been inundated. There are homeless everywhere here in chicago and illinois. Pritzker has signed a bill as of last month allowing illegals because that is what they are and to become Police Officers and go through the economy and wear the badge and have a gun and can arrest and kill real americans and they are not even real citizens. What is happening here is treason. Joe biden, first of all, i do believe anyone voted for this person. So this new world order he is on and the democrats have encompassed that they are going to turn this country upside down and take our money, go over with Clouse Schwab with the wef, saying, you are going to eat bugs. You are going to own nothing and you will be happy. The republicans won the house in 2022 into that upended a lot of their programs. If you come to chicago, they are everywhere. And we host you say you are running for congress in the first congressional district. Democrat Jonathan Jackson represents that district. You are running in the republican primary . Caller he was supposed to have been taken off the ballot. This thing went to court. The chairman of the illinois election board said that this situation with Jonathan Jackson, when he got on the ballot in 2022 host and he replaced bobby rush. Caller he did but he was nine and supposed to on the ballot he was not even supposed to be on the ballot. So theres a lot of criminality with jackson that came in. Host so, marcus, you are running in the republican primary. Have you watched your campaign . Caller no. Lost the campaign . Host launched. Have you filed to run . Caller that will be done in november, when my petition will be filed, because we have to make sure we are on the ballot and that is a big deal, but people are telling me that they need change here and this being a democratic stronghold, they are seeing you cannot blame the republicans for whats happening in the district. This is all democrats. And they are all signaling this. Stores are closing. We lost four walmarts in the district. The Police Station is inundated with illegals. Where is the congressperson . He wants us to think he had a job for 30 years. The people want real representation. That is why President Trump will be your president in 2024. 81 Million People did not vote for joe biden. That did not happen. Host do you want to say your last name since you are planning to run for congress . Caller my eight consecutive run for congress. The reason being i ran as a democrat. I have been a lifeline democrat a lifelong democrat but this time i say enough is enough. The people are suffering under this. They have these seats held by new world order people who do not care a rats butt for them. Kharkiv that is marcus host that is marcus out of chicago, illinois. One of the headlines from the chicago, pritzker presses biden for more help as migrant buses double, saying illinois stands mostly unsupported against the strain of Illegal Immigrants. On a call with the white house sunday, the governor and mayor warned chicago could receive as many as 1250 migrant today, writing a letter to the white house asking for more support on the issue. This was Governor Pritzker on wednesday talking about that letter. [video clip] wanted to make sure there was a public statement. We know we are starting to see more buses. It is as everybody should recall because there are these border politicians, the borders of the United States have politicians who want to cause havoc in the rest of the country. They could have raised their voices. They could have advocated in a political fashion for comprehensive Immigration Reform but those are the very people who are opposed to a conference opposed to comprehensive political reform so they want to pose a challenge to the president and opposite party. I wanted to make sure everybody understands who is causing this issue for states across the country. You dont see him sending anybody to idaho. You dont see him sending anybody to south dakota or wyoming or missouri, states controlled by the opposite by his party. Instead hes sending them only to blue states. Host illinois governor jb pritzker. Taking your phone calls on President Bidens plans to expand border walls along the u. S. Mexico border, specifically in texas. This is the headline from the Washington Times. Biden says he cannot stop the skepticism with environmental law waivers and an urgency to build. Its the lead story today. David, flint, michigan, democrat. What do you think . Caller good morning. Glad to be on cspan and this is a good topic. I would say that guy that was talking from illinois that said hes running as a republican, i dont believe a word that he said. He made up so many lies while he was talking. If i lived in illinois i would never vote for him. But im glad that biden is doing this. I have been writing i have been calling my representatives here in flint and complaining that i want them to do something to stop the flow of these immigrants. Now, i am all for the immigrant, you know . Im a leftwing person and i believe in it and i give a lot to the Democratic Party through the elections, but the whole south america cannot move to the United States because its a prosperous country. We cant have the whole south america thinking they can say that their children are being threatened by gangs in their country. Its something i think they are all making up and being told to say. Then they bring their whole generations into the United States. We just cannot keep them coming. I am glad that hopefully my representative got to the president and made him put that border wall up and send those people back to their countries. They can make their own countries great. Host you say you give a lot to the Democratic Party. You are talking Campaign Donations . Caller yeah. Host how much do you think you will be giving in the 2024 election cycle between congress and the president ial race . How much you would how much would you estimate you would give . Caller probably about 2000. That is a lot for me. Host what is the most you have ever given in a cycle . Caller 2500. That is a lot for me. I am a retiree from General Motors and that is a lot for me. You know, i dont give the bank. Im not going to give them my whole bank account but i want us to win because i want the United States to stay a democracy and i know if trump and the republicans win we are going to turn to more of a country like putin and russia, where they force their wills on us from abortion to everything else. They are going to just force it, the minority of the Republican Party will force the stuff on us in the United States and i dont want that. Host this david in michigan. This is gilbert, republican, good morning. Gilbert, are you with us . I hear your tv. One more try for gilbert. We will stay on the line for border states. New mexico, chad out of santa fe, good morning. Go ahead. Caller good morning. Thanks for having me. I am apprehensive to give this any sort of credit. I mean, the democrats want open borders. We pretty much know this by now. I am not really buying this is joe biden trying to protect the border. I think its more of a stunt for him to try to get more votes. I am not believing it. Donald trump wants to keep the wall strong, build the wall out. I think this is biden trying to jump on the bandwagon from here. We have lots of problems in new mexico, arizona. Texas. For him to jump on the bandwagon, make it seem like hes for strong borders, and then the next day basically walking back, so im not denying this joe biden thing. I think when we get this new speaker, we will get the borders strong again like the trump era. I think this is feckless. I think this is a stunt. Democrats are an open border party in my opinion. If they want these border states to be secure, we will have to elect a republican. Under the Trump Administration, things were strong. We should keep the border that way. Host about 30 minutes left in this first segment asking about President Bidens decision to expand the border wall. It was a federal register notice that first reported at this week then the white house being asked about that decision. The federal register notice on the waivers that were made to move this border construction, waivers for environment standards and other standards as well, over two dozen waivers that had to be made. The White House Press secretary face questions about this decision in the Briefing Room yesterday. Heres what she had to say. [video clip] the president told me a border wall does not work. If that is the case, why does the Homeland Security secretary say theres is a need to construct barriers . What you have been reporting about come about this construction, so the facts are this. This is not new. These funds were appropriated in fiscal year 2019 under Republican Leadership and dhs is required by law to use the funds for the appropriated purpose. This was announced in june by dhs. So we believe there are better effective ways of moving forward to secure our border. We have continuously asked for congress to act to provide our cbp, Law Enforcement at the border, to give them the resources they need to do their jobs, and so we will continue to call on congress. We believe, and the president has been clear, when you ask him does a border wall work, he says no. He has been consistent about that. We believe we need that Border Technology that is modernized. That is what we want to see and that is what i can speak to. And we this is something we were required by law and we are complying. This is an administration that does believe in the rule of law. Why now . These funds have been available. The president spoke to this. This is one of the things he was saying. He had been asking congress to reappropriate the funds. He has been for the past couple years in congress refused and we have to comply by law to get this done and that is what you are seeing happening now. Is there a way to continue to slow walk this, delay it . We have to comply by law and that is what we are doing. We asked congress to reappropriate the funds bear that is what we would prefer to see, not waste the funding. But they refused and now we are going forward. Host White House Press secretary karine john. Yesterday in the white house Briefing Room. Phone lines for republicans, democrats, independents and border state residents. Also looking for your texts, tweets and posts. This is ernest from facebook saying the president has no choice. The money has been allocated by law and he has to use it to build the wall. Obviously it will not be the mess trump was formulating but he has to comply. Diane saying its a shame the money cannot be used for something that might be more effective in this age of a. There must be better methods of organizing legal and orderly entry to the country. And this is someone saying it should be completed along the entire southern border and immigration laws must be enforced, saying her mother is an immigrant who did it the correct way. Another, saying after all he said to the opposite, one could conclude this is a stunt. And he does not have to do this. He could do it with another executive order. Border patrol says walls should work to filter areas where people are. Looking for your phone calls. James is in louisiana. Independent. Good morning. Go ahead. Caller good morning. I want to see if i can slow down and make sure i get this right. One party wants to claim itself as we have a president for whatever reason is actually suspending laws and regulations of this country. We are not complying with our own laws. In order to save some money that was appropriated for something our president says he did not want and did not think would work. Now he is doing something to ameliorate this problem, so if he does nothing, they will complain. Now he does something and they are complaining. The real source, in my opinion, the root of a problem, is congress. Pass the laws and then let both parties be compliant with the law that we put in place. Lets do what we need to do to be able to help our neighbors and to be able to take care of ourselves because all states are not equal. They do not have the same resources. And if we do need to accept some of these people, some states have more resources than others to deal with this. We cannot take everybody. Host thats james in louisiana. Back to texas, gilbert, republican. Good morning. Go ahead. Caller good morning. Im calling from dallas. Im a republican. Host and what are your thoughts on this move by the Biden Administration this week . Caller it means that trump was right. It means it is the right thing. It is the right thing to do. Everybody protects everything of value. Every bank, every office, every house has gates. So why should the United States have sony walls to protect us from people that want to cause harm bringing drugs or whatever it is, whatever they are coming to do, to do us harm . It should be preventative lee stopped and preventively stopped and the wall is the right thing to do and i support biden trying to continue what is the right thing to do. Host gilbert in texas. To pennsylvania, harold, democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. I think biden is doing the right thing. They will not cost the United States and the money United States any money because mexico is going to pay for. Host before you go, want to ask you about President Bidens comments on his first day in office. This is what President Biden said his first day in office when it came to halting border wall construction, about undoing with the trumpet minise was doing along the border. He said nati has a right and duty to s its borders and pr its people against threats but building a massive wall tans e entire southern border is not a serious policy solution. Verts attention away fromt genuine thre homand security, saying my administration is committed to making a comprehensive and humane immigration system that operates consistently with our nationalalues. It will be my policy that no more tax favored more taxpayer dollars will be diverted to build a border wall. Do you remember when he did that . Caller i do. And i also remember when trump said mexico is going to pay for the wall, so put the wall up and let mexico pay for. Thank you. Host harold and pennsylvania will stay in pennsylvania. Harold to harry in pittsburgh, republican. Good morning. Caller this is funny in a sort of way. All these blue states and sanctuary cities were all right with this when it was down in texas. Now its in their state and they are crying about it. There was something on tv. I dont know how many people protesting this, saying they are ruining our lives. This proves who the real racist is. He has a history of being a racist. As far as this goes, get their phone number. Maybe they could take four or five in. The guy giving 2000 a year for democrats, maybe he ought to use some of his money to give people a place to live, take care of them the way you are supposed to if you are all for it. Host to prince george, virginia. This is bradley, independent. Good morning. Caller good morning, john. Thank you for taking my call. Its been a long time. I think this is great if the will of the people at this time is for this project. Im wondering if, at the winter governors board meeting, if, perhaps, the president is invited, perhaps they could speak on perhaps creating may be tax code where the supporters for excuse me the construction of the border wall could pay additional taxes, donate their tax dollars to this cause. That is just a thought. And i am hopeful that this will be a great opportunity for, you know, i guess i. T. Development and even ai usage, perhaps, so when they construct these walls, they will build them 100 meters off the actual border and have sensors to where, perhaps, you know, they wilct movement of humans human sized p to make borderls job much easier getting toward threats, i suppose. Anyway, those were my thoughts, john. I am sorry they came out all discombobulated. Host on a topic you bring up, a congressman of texas was on this program. One of the issues he brought up was about moving the barriers away from the border, talking about having more room to be able to know when people are crossing a legally. When you are talking about 100 meters away, are you talking about in the United States or are you talking about into mexico and putting our walls into mexican territory . Caller absolutely not. Of course off the actual physical american border. And ideally 100 meters off you will have warning signs saying you are now in american territory and then 80 meters and 50 meters and 30 meters off or yards, i should say, but, you know, remind the people that are trying to enter america illegally that they are in fact are already in our territory and they should reconsider their course of action. Host thanks for the call. Talk to you down the road. Prince george, virginia. This is bruce in kingston, new york, line for democrats. Good morning. Caller good morning, everyone. I have a whole scramble of things to say. First and foremost, in regard to the blue cities being inundated with immigration, overwhelmed, i think they should have a question they should have a lawsuit against the Texas Governor firm doing where they are doing indiscriminately. Its clearly a political ploy. And i agree with the distribution of incoming immigration. I live in new york and new york in the 1850s had a similar problem and if anybody wants to look at history you will see this recurring again but there are republicans who have no comprehension. I can tell you cspan has never had a republican on with a conference a program on how to solve whats going on. All they do is raise money off of it. In fact, when trump to get out of office, you had private people raising money for the wall, which ended up in court because they stole the money. They are going to jail for it now. The idea that these talking heads out of fox they are really wall heads. That is what we are dealing with, a bunch of wall heads that dont understand whats going on, dont understand why these people are migrating in the first place, because whats happened over decades in these countries, which we have undermined their democracies, and, frankly, if we are going to sabotage their economies with chicago economics and put them in a situation where violence is the rule of order and all our nra people and their industries sent our military sized weapons down to the cartels to basically ruthlessly rule those people when these peasant people basically completely situation in every dimension and the truth of the matter is if we keep following the republican policies that are trying to be put in place and the outrage they are creating they are slowly but surely instilling the types of, rightwing governments, the despots that ruled down there that rule down there. They essentially want to establish that here in place of democracy and you see that in the streets, the violence, the gangs. Host got your point. You mentioned mayor adams and his trip to latin america. Didnt want to show viewers his message that hes bringing down to latin america did want to show viewers his message that hes bringing down to latin america. [video clip] we are at capacity and witnessing a surge now and the buses continue to come and by other means. They are coming through airports, people driving in, so we want to give an honest assessment of what we are experiencing in the city. We are at capacity. Over 117,000. At one time it was 10,000 a month. In the last few days we are looking at almost 600 a day. These are real numbers. I must have a local plan. I must have a statewide plan, a federal plan and an International Plan of how do i speak with people in south and central america. Host new york mayor eric adams on the eve of his trip to latin america on wednesday. About 10 minutes left in this segment of washington journal. Getting your thoughts on President Biden approving plans to expand the border wall. A special line for border state residents. Otherwise, republicans, democrats and independents on the phone lines. This is michael out of florida, republican. Your next. Caller hello. How are you . Host doing well. Go ahead. Caller i want to talk about what we are hearing about the border. Everybody says we need comprehensive Immigration Reform. When democrats say that, they are saying its going to be the way the bill they come up with will be the way they want it. They are not talking about border security. They are talking about all kinds of ways, legal ways, to allow people to come in. The other lie i want to talk about is when the press secretary says that the president has done historic things on the border. That is a flat out lie. The historic things the president has done is hes allowed he sped up processing, so if that is what they feel is historic, you know, thats an absolute lie. They have brought more agents. They love to claim they brought more agents. All they are doing is processing. Nobody is doing anything as far as security. And those are those are the lies they keep saying. And they are lies. Host got your point. This is ron in laurel, maryland, independent. Good morning. Caller good morning. This adams, i mean, come on. It was not until desantis and abbott had that clever plan of bussing them up to blue states and now all of a sudden things are starting to move in the right direction as far as on that border. This is unbelievable. Yesterday in chicago, black americans in uproar because our tax money, which we have been complaining about and have been raising a flag about for decades now, is being used to pretty much take care of these Illegal Immigrants, so now that this is impacting blue states, and im an independent and a black american, now youre going to start to see change, the change we have been begging and pleading for. Look, i have been traveling over the past four years through several states, illinois, virginia, all over, and if you are not getting out to different states, you have no clue how bad this is. Ok . Host what do you do that you travel all over . Caller i am a ceo of a 120 bed hospital now but i was traveling from different hospitals helping out corporate. It took me through several different states. I knew this was an issue several years ago. But, you know, im in baltimore now, and if you drive on mlk street, right between fayette street and baltimore street, they are building a 60,000 squarefoot building. At the stoplight, i counted about 20 workers on one side and i drove it i counted another 20 on the other side and i hate to say this dont take this the wrong way i guarantee the majority of them were probably Illegal Immigrants, but in the same quarter, you have black americans, squeegee boys, begging for a dollar. That is your those are your jobs. I will end it like that. Host this is benny, louisville, kentucky, democrat. Good morning. Caller yeah. Im calling because i am a democrat. On a black american, black democrat and im calling because i dont i hate when i hear our senator say we are being invaded at our southern border. The invasion is whats going on in ukraine by putin. These people are walking up to the border and turning themselves in for amnesty. They are not invading. Most of them are coming to their families and other people that they know here. I know several of them here and they dont vote. They are not taking government money. They are working hard every day. And i wanted to Say Something else when i first got on cspan about jim jordan being speaker. I am worried about that. I am worried about that and from coming back in because he knows a lot about what occurred when trump tried to steal the election. And someone said no one voted. 81 Million People did not vote for joe biden. We did because we dealt with trump for four years. They voted for him. And that is all i have to say for thank you say. Thank you. Host a couple minutes left in this segment a couple minutes left in this segment. More reaction to this decision by the Biden Administration to move ahead with expanding the border wall. This from the aclu. Jonathan blaser, director aborted strategy there releasing this statement this week director of border strategy there releasing this statement, saying this marks a failure. President biden put it best when he said the border wall is not a serious policy solution and we cannot agree more. Instead of upholding this promise the Biden Administration is doubling down on the failed policies of the past that have proved wasteful and ineffective, saying this politically motivated action will only harm border communities. It is time for the Biden Administration to choose immunity and Real Solutions over politics. That is from the aclu yesterday. This is caller hi, points. The first one is you see the suggestion that the United States can take a compassionate stance and taken anybody in the world that wants to come over to our country. If you have one of the highest standards of living and you have a bunch of government handout programs and then you just have open borders, that is unsustainable. Theres some really great videos on youtube about doing the math. The stance they are taking in our schools, jobs and Different Things like that that is taking work and resources that american citizens needed. The second thing i would like to say is that with solving the problems and the other country, the problem is that we people, small minded people who have decisionmaking over other peoples money, over taxpayer money and they are giving away to other countries and to individuals like the voucher she grants that he was doing for people to do stuff that they were not supposed to be doing in our country and other countries and then they owed them a. And the same thing happen all over universities and Different Things like that area never before in this country or this world have people unable to give money directly to caucuses and things they believe in. There is no reason that this day and age where the government should do charity work. Especially around the country or even voting work when people could find that themselves. Host time for one more call in the segment. Michelle has been waiting in florida. Independent. Good morning. Caller hello im 77 years old ive been a democrat independent republican all my life. I just want to say that i am very sad for all of a young generations that are going to be coming because we are going to become a dictatorship country. There is no longer any unity in this country. As a result, we will end up, because people do not read newspapers, they do not listen to television programs. I listen to seven different channels, i read seven different newspapers. I listen to International News programs because i speak three languages and unfortunately its going to lead because of our not being knowledgeable enough youre going to end up as a dictatorship country and as a result, our young generations are going to suffer. Thank you very much. Host that was our last caller in this segment of washington journal. Stick around plenty more to talk about this morning including up next the two former members of Congress Steve israel and zach wamp will discuss the removal of Kevin Mccarthy as speaker of a house in the future of the speaker of the house. And later the quit Abha Bhattarai discusses the to discuss the september jobs report. That will be released in about 30 minutes. Stick with us. We will be right back. The resolution is adopted. The motion to reconsider is on the table. The office of speaker of the house of the United States house of representatives declared vacant. Announcer stick to cspan of how the speakership continues. 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Unfiltered, unbiased, word for word. From the Nations Capital to where you ever you are because the opinion that matters the most is your own. This is what democracy looks like area cspan powered by cable. Announcer washington journal continues. Host a friday roundtable now on Kevin Mccarthys removal as speaker and the future of the house of representatives. Our former our guests are former house members with three decades between them we have steve israel and zach wamp. Good morning to you both. In your view of what happened with Kevin Mccarthy this week with failure of the institution of a house, a system of a house or was this a failure of Kevin Mccarthy and his political abilities to read his own conference . It saw a snatching defeat of the jaws of victory. Chip roy who is the intellectual leader of a conflict they had in january where Speaker Mccarthy was first elected, he called this circular firing squad because this is sort of a oneoff thing. You cannot compare it to anything in u. S. History because it is internal. It is not like us fighting with the president or a battle between the house and senate, it is internal to the house and even within one of the parties. Innocent, it is unfortunate as a republican because that of us to focus on being able to focus on the inadequacies of the president or democrats we are throwing it all on ourselves when from the outside looking in it looked to me like mccarthy survived getting elected speaker which was impressive to be honest with you. I was never really a great candidate guy and i saw him in may and said he really showed me something i did not know you had which was the to nap tenacity and determination. Being a speaker in the majority it is still the hardest job in washington. In a sense, this band of guys and nancy mace is sortable oneoff because even chip roy who had concern about mccarthy in january he said no to the motion to vacate. He challenged all the people because he is conservative. He is a fault leader. These people are not fault leaders. On eight different decisions theres a variety of reasons why they voted this way. Personally i do not think they were new what they are getting into because now chaos ensues. I dont know how this will come out next week if we have a battle between jim jordan and Steve Scalise it will be about where the future party will go or toward reagan services or trump populism. That is probably the biggest question internally right now for republican. Host which one is more toward reagan conservatives and which one is trump populace . Guest trump is a traditional conservative but he is such a loyalist that five days after january 6, President Trump presented him a medal of freedom. We all looked up and said what . He is such a trump loyalist even though he is a traditional conservative. Matt gaetz is a populace and the younger members, not younger members but a lot of the members now because social media or more they are looking for clicks and fame. They are not really policy people chip roy is a policy person. More like tom gober from the past. A real student of a constitution. Thats why he would not have anything to do with it. Host i want to bring in steve israel. Who do you want to see as the next speaker if it had to be jim jordan or Steve Scalise . Guest first let me say how wonderful it is to be on visit with congressman zach wam p. We served at a place at a time where republicans and democrats could down and work things out without fear of retaliation. It is good to be on with you. If youre a democrat, number one, new want institutions to succeed. Like it or not theres a Democrat Senate but a republican majority in the house. For anything to happen you need a leader of the republicans that can negotiate in good faith and unify his or her caucus to engage in the kind of conversation does necessary to get to a positive outcome. In compromise, challenges facing america. Democrats are nervous and anxious of what happened. The purging of Kevin Mccarthy is not just bad for the Republican Party but it is bad for congress and the country. Democrats are looking abroad honestly like china and russia, adversaries around the world are looking at this as instability in the american process and they are revolutionists. We need to get our our our act together. We need someone to help address the challenges. Host do think matt gaetz has a point when he says power on capitol hill and in the house has become too centralized in the hands of leadership and that means bad things for individuals in congress. Does he have a point . Guest the republican conference does not let me in the room so i cannot prove to kate about the internal genomic i cannot say anything about the internal works of the caucus. Host does that work in the Democratic Office . Guest we do not have motions to vacate. We saw the right wing of the party trying to take out john boehner and he ended up leaving capitol hill. Paul ryan and he ended up leaving capitol hill and successfully take out Kevin Mccarthy. Meanwhile on the democratic side it is been at times messy but we been able to unify around our values and priorities and compromise understanding the constitution has three branches of government and the congress itself is divided into two parties. So the dynamics we see in the republican conference have not translated at all to the Democratic Caucus. I will say one more thing. Matt gaetz and others are doing this because they want regular order term for a nice and clean in dependable clean and dependable process. But they are doing this not because they want clean roles but because they want power and it gives them followers on social media and it makes them famous. That is my objection to what is happening. Host on that last point, what do you have to say . Guest there is no question that they want regular order. We conference between the house and senate and brought back the bills individually in the past and did not operate under continued resolution overtime which is kicking the can down the road. It is a sloppy approach and that has become the order of the day over the last decade. Everyone on both sides has some consternation about that because it is not the way it is asian and not the way you use operate. They thought we were radicals in 1994 but they would love to have us back now because they respect how we worked with the institutions and hammered things out. I set on multiple with west virginia, the other side and we hammered out compromises. They have a point, but this is not the way to change it. I would argue steve israel and i are associated with the group called issue one which is 200 members of congress in a bipartisan way. We promoted a committee of modernization of congress and they recommend that members have more rights under the rules that amendments can be offered only for Appropriations Bills that you would not just throw everything together from the leadership and make everybody vote up or down. If youre going to make systemic decisions you have to do it in a bipartisan way. That is what we are mowed it members that you cannot do it as one party or the other and these dies are almost like children like we will do do it my way or we will take our ball and go home. Well now what are they doing . They did not consider it in the hands of the democrats. When all of us came in the office, back in the day, we shut the government down but we had a plan. With the Senate Republican to bring bill clinton to a table to negotiate. It led to the balanced budget act of 1997 which led to three consecutive years a balanced federal budget. We had a strategy. A game plan. We knew where we were going and they have no idea where they are going with this. Matt gaetz led crowd. That is why chip roy is an honorable guy and he would not have anything to do with it. I think they do not know what they are doing and here we are its going to lead to choices. And some good will come out of it but they need to get their act together because a country is looking at washington right now on every asked that aspect and they are losing faith by the minute. Host youre welcome to join our conversation with the phone lines as usual. Republicans 202 7488001, democrats 202 7488000, independents 202 7488002. Plenty of calls for you already tony in ndc. Tony in d. C. Good morning you are on. Caller i have a quick comment. They do not have to respond but this is for the listeners and voters here. I am going to vote for the opposite person of a party i thought would be or i will write in a name. I think that is the clearest message and you say will its going to get bad and we will have people that are not qualified. To be quite frank, it cannot get worse. That is the clearest message. Host the message you are trying to send is throw them all out . Caller you determine that but to me it is one human on this planet that would communicate my vote. Before now it has not worked all the politicians get up there and the next day they kickoff and start campaigning. Its all about money and staying in power. I can vote for the opposite person and that is a message can i can send. Host any comments on that message that he wants to send . Guest i think he is reflecting the exhausted majority of americans whether youre democratic or republican you are exhausted at the drama. You want them to learn how to compromise and move things forward for the left and right. What you see in the past week or so with the motion to vacate uc chronic chaos and drama and internal fighting and that is nothing for tony and his family, his neighbors, for the rest of the country. I understand the point. One other thing when tony talks about the influence of money in politics it is curvaceous and pernicious. There is too much money in politics. People say one of the things we can do to make government functional again might be to block gerrymandering that divided the congress and fundraising. Host he gave it up for you. Guest the currency of todays politics are twofold. Thats a problem weve been talking about for a long time because they spend too much time raising money youre not making policy but now it is fame. Literally the new members want to be famous. This is a real problem. And i think there is an age issue. To be honest with you i dont senator feinstein passed away in senator mcconnell has Health Issues and you come down the list of all the members including President Trump over 75 years old. This is absurd now. On our side, republicans we have an incredible younger bench you think about dan crenshaw, ron desantis, others that serve in the country under for years old under 50 years old. They have children, they have a lot of kin in the game skin in the game but they are shut out of people, the old people need to let go of holding power. I have found my children my son is an accounting major and my doctor is addicted to my daughter is a district attorney. They are serving at a local level where you can get things done and not washington where things are broken but it is a generational conflict. Our party needs to let the Younger Generation lead they would not be closed minded and they would Work Together better even with other contra party to move the country forward. I like that new caleigh said if youre a certain age to run you should leave at a certain age. Host washington for senators final sendoff in a city where she began her service. A picture there of the former speaker of the house, nancy pelosi majority leader Charles Schumer there to be in their final farewells to dianne feinstein. She died september 29, and services will be in San Francisco city hall. Is there such a thing as being too old for Public Service . Guest i focus on accomplishments and not age. Theres two Dynamic Speaking personally. One is human nature. When youre doing your job and you believe your for filling wishes for filling wishes that is hard to say im going to walk away. Theres nothing in the constitution it says when you reach a certain age it is time to go. Most voters at the end of a day need to think about not the persons age but what they have done for the economy and to restore jobs in america, manufacturing jobs. Joe biden helped create 800,000 jobs in manufacturing. It is Kitchen Table issues and not how old a person is. It is their accomplishment. Host we have our next call. Good morning. Caller hello i have an idea. How about the republicans come out with the Mission Statement and sit there and say we will all follow this. If you have a problem with it the next reelection go through it like to vote neil did like to oneill did. Host no more motion to vacate . Caller no. No more one person can sit there and do this. Host zach wamp . Guest i think there should be no notions to vacate. That is a bad idea i agree on that. You think back on the contract with america that brought us to power. We had a document on what we stood for. You think about the struggle with what we stand for, there is a massive difference between conservatives and populism. Populism is like whatever you want as good as long as it is good for me. That is in the Republican Party. I think we have to get back to traditional reagan values and show consistency between law and order, border policy, and other values. That would allow us to govern and then you build on that congress is a game of edition not subtraction. Reagan was able to be per growth and growing the way into a balanced budget. They embraced it and thought the traditional values were important. We need to go through that again. Both parties are in disarray. We had santos and gates matt gaetz over here but they got both parties are searching for their sole again. Bernie disrupted the left from 2016 forward. They never really found their way. We are struggling between populism and conservative. We need definition and the twoparty system will continue to serve as an it is to redefine itself. If they are not careful there will be a Third Party Movement in america. Host headline from the Washington Times on a motion to vacate. Republican talks about the rewriting of the rule of the motion to vacate. Congressman israel, you have dan in which rid in woodbridge virginia. Good morning. Caller yes, both individuals. First thing, why cant sides, we know what we need to do so i cant besides make a list and then both sides put out publicly what their solution is to do this or that. Not this mess of we have a plan but we will not tell you. No, that it out there for the public and let them know what is going on i what youre going to do about the situation we brought to the table that both sides need to come to an agreement for. Secondly, you guys are always wanting to have committee this committee that, why not have a committee on what you guys need to do and get it right . I mean just, i mean have a committee on both sides to put the problems out there of what needs to be solved in america and then this community, with solutions. Host we take your point and on the issue of putting the plan out there i do want you to address the idea of single issue hills bills. One thing matt gaetz was calling for is not rolling issues together to complicate the issues but let Congress Vote up and down on each issue as they come up. Guest sure. First of all, does anybody really believe that if the republican majority under Kevin Mccarthy was able to bring 13 year 13 appropriation bills to the house and they passed and went to the senate and the democratic majority in the senate modified those bills to reflect the majority priorities. When those bills came back to the house of representatives as the asset requires as the process requires does anybody believe that would satisfy congressman kate . Congressman matt gaetz . No. It would be Kevin Mccarthy is getting in with Chuck Schumer and weve got to have a motion to vacate. God forbid he compromised. Im sorry, i do not buy the argument that this was about regular order. I buy the argument. I buy zach wamps argument that this is not about leading but getting a lot of followers on social media. And you can monetize that by the way as congressman braves from louisiana demonstrated in the house when he talked about the fundraising of poc getting online. While matt gaetz was leading a motion to vacate. So, we should have regular order. I was a former appropriate or as is zach wamp we should look at the bills one by one but that requires compromise. Most of the scene most of the freedom caucus, not all, they are fundamentally opposed to compromise. When it is my way or the highway, the highway usually wins. And that is enough. And not to continue the metaphor but now Kevin Mccarthy is walking down the highway because of the motion to vacate. Host on that moment in the well where congressman graves and held up and talked about the fundraising email. Congressman wamp i want to read these two paragraphs from washington. Congressman nancy mace uses note time to defend her choice by saying the establishment is targeting her. South Carolina Republican began her fundraising pitch as she appeared with matt gaetz in florida the leader of the republican rebels as they described him and the war room program campaigning her multiple times on the show. Guest the irony of the whole thing is if they were ever going to have a time to individually bring bills to the floor like that they would not be able to raise money have the time. Half the time. Some people are campaigning literally half of their time. Going over and raising money for who they did. Now they raise money nationally not just in their district. That corrupted the whole process because very few of them have time to legislate. They question why can we not bring the individual bills to the floor . Well it is ironic. It is not a good trend. Something would really have to change dramatic big in order for the republic to continue because it is very fragile. Congress is now dysfunctional on a variety of fronts. One reason is the influence of social media and money on the american political system in the 21st century. Host halfway through our conversation this morning, steve israel a former congressman and democrat from new york and zach wamp republican of tennessee joining us again. We are taking your calls, republicans 202 7488001, democrats 202 7488000, independents 202 7488002. Albee has been waiting on the independent line. From fair shoe, colorado. Thank you for sticking around. Caller thank. Good morning, congressman. Both of you. I would like to say that as i am learning more and more, our situation that we are in i keep hearing the Republican Party continue to throw out they were trying to claw back this money to balance the budget. They are fighting over this in a way that it manifested into what we are talking about with the removal of mccarthy and being able to get the bills done and being able to come with a fiscal budget and everything. So my question primarily with that statement is there was a bill or something that happened that gave permanent tax breaks to the super wealthy. Can we repeal that back and take that money to balance the budget so we are not spending that money or losing that money, actually, and can actually get that money back . I heard the other day with pedro, the gentleman that is with that Committee Say on cspan that in before those were passed, we all are on a projection to be fiscal and balanced. Host that is albee. Congressman, do you want to talk about that issue of our physical ejection in this country fiscal projection in this country and what the tax break did to that . Guest well, there will be an argument forever about what trump tax breaks actually did or did not do revenue, but you will not balance a budget without addressing entitlement. What is so ironic about matt gaetz motion to vacate is they are talking about the appropriations bill. That will scratch the surface of what will be necessary to ever get back to the balance. The last time we balanced the federal budget it is only 23 years ago when george bush before he took office the budget was balanced. That is hard to believe and it seems like 100 years ago but it was not it was 23 years ago. The budget has been balance for those years and it was balanced by is holding the growth of federal spending, appropriated spending below inflation for three consecutive years and growing revenue with some fiscal policy, they grew revenues. Some of that actually grows revenue. Some tax cuts grow revenues, others dont. You have to separate twoout, it is not all the same. We grew revenues and held the line on expenses and cap the balance for three consecutive years. To ever get back there now with the deficit we are running you have to address the title reform. Anyone like matt gaetz talking about getting back to the balance without addressing the title reform, the balancedbudget act in 1997 we did address titles, rereduce medicare reimbursement so medicare would be more solvent going forward. We must do that again. We must look at retirement age. People are living longer than they used to a long time ago. If youre ever going to say we will go toward balance, you have to address title reform. These people are not doing that and that makes it more disingenuous. I think it is important to focus on both sides. It is also important to focus on reducing spending in both revenues. Host with a moment of the state of the Union Address where President Biden was literally speaking with members of the house about entitlement reform and what was and was not on the table. They u. S. National debt now 33 trillion and counting according to the u. S. Debt clock. A deficit of almost 1. 8 trillion this year. Is it time to address entitlement reform . Guest i agree that we have some structural concerns with demography, the workforce, historic pressures on Social Security. Social security, for example, some call it entitlement. I do not think it is entitlement because you pay Social Security and you get it back when you retire, but when it was created it is Something Like 40 workers paying into Social Security to support every retiree. Now it is closer to two workers playing into Social Security to support everyone retiree. Yes, there is a structural issue we need to address but it leads to the fundamental issue of power in congress. We have a debt deficit. No question about it. We need to look at ways to address some of the structural issues with retirement programs and medical grams programs like medicare. But, in terms of priorities, is it better to start slashing away to retirement and Health Security programs for the elderly or to stop giving massive tax cuts to the wealthiest individuals in america . That is the fundamental contrast in washington right now. I am one to believe that they say to the American People that we will renew our contract with you which relates to medicare, Social Security, or disability. Before that we stop giving tax breaks to the wealthy. And before we do that that is money. And you have your budget based on what is coming in and going out. The federal operate the same way. When you see the amount of revenue cutting in because youre giving tax breaks to people in america you have less that can go into the critical row grams that we need for the elderly. The critical investments we need for the elderly and to say both are retirees. And that is the big debate in washington dc and worth having. Host and a debate we could probably have for the remainder of the program. Only 20 minutes left with the two of you, rick has been waiting in indiana. Republican. Good morning. Caller good morning. Can you hear me . Host yes sir. Go ahead what is your question or comment . Caller i am a proud republican. And i will vote republican. I do not think the republicans will take 6 trillion away, but maccarthy, i kind of agreed with him and what he said we do not need to find funding ukraine. Well do you think ukraine is going to pay us back . No. I found out he had a bill of the 550 million home wow from the guy running and found out that Biden Administration is all money from china to send over to ukraine. And i do not believe mexico is going to support the border that biden has done because i think that is just a coverup. Host hes bringing up a couple things let me focus on ukraine and the funding for ukraine. And how it is seen as it plays out in the Republican Congress on capitol hill right now. Zach, what is your take away on the boat we see in the debate over ukraine funding the vote ec and the debate over ukraine funding . Guest that is a legitimate concern. About whether or not we will stand with nato and whether or not we will take the reagan approach to strength in the world. Whether we exert ourselves. I dont think anybody is for us engaging actively with troops but supporting ukraine because of russias aggression. Even in the president ial field outside of trump, those that do go into debate they are spit split on what to do about ukraine going forward. Thats a legitimate discussion and i think we have to maintain our presence in the world and not too much, but just enough to put our foot down at times with aggression. I think that action between china and russia would encourage us to make greater friends with syria with turkey. Personally i think it includes supporting ukraine and holding them accountable. You cannot just keep pumping money in that direction and not hold zelenskyy accountable. But i think some people that brought Kevin Mccarthy down used that as a toy or a wedge a ploy or a wedge. A lot of this seemed to be personal. Mccarthy was by these people matt gaetz had ethics issues he did not like rada. Some of this did not like brought up. Some of this is payback from the people and it is trivial and they are putting the country behind their own personal interest. That is never good. I am one to believe we have to come together on issues of them as americans and lay down on the back and or the parties and forth between the parties. It is almost like from the time the fraud intelligence on iraq was a bipartisan mistake from that point forward we were all about blaming each other than putting the country first. Guest with Kevin Mccarthy tuesday evening after the boat here is a clip. You all know matt gaetz. You know it was personal. It had nothing to do about spending. It had nothing to do about everything he accuse somebody of was doing. It always about getting attention. We are getting email fundraisers from him as we are doing it. That is not governing and that is not becoming congress. Regardless of what you say, i have seen the text it was all personal. But that is all right. Host democrats and these issues of personal and dead as personal vendettas, do you think the democrats need to let this not become as public. Does this happen more in the republican already . Does your read on that . Guest you know what they are human beings. He will always have emotional impulses and a desire to win. You have to a certain extent that there has to be payback. The difference between Democratic Caucus and the republican conference is evident by the past several years. It is that those emotions are generally managed and controlled and do not spill out into open warfare on the floor of the house. There was never a motion to vacate nancy pelosi despite the fact there were many in her caucus that disagreed with her. They have not been able to recognize their differences and develop and unify the front. Thats a very big difference. Host is that a Fair Assessment . Guest well, i never agree with speaker pelosi, but to be honest with you it was extraordinary that she was able to keep her Team Together as much as she was. As a speaker i think she will go down in history as one of the people able to do that. That is the real magic formula of being a good speaker. I thought after kevin survived the five days of eating elected speaker actually told people getting elected this fall i told people that if he can survived the motion to vacate he will go down in history as speaker because that is the challenge. I will say one thing it is all the public republican, democrat. But the iconic conservative leader between the Reagan Administration and the truck administration was Trump Administration was dr. Know in the senate. He was the most principal conservative that weve seen in the modern era. When he was nominated in Time Magazine as one of the top 100 people. Someone has to nominate you. Barack obama as president nominated him for the top 100. They were freshmen together in the United States senate. They became friends, their wives knew each other, their children knew each other, they respected each other. They did not agree on hardly anything, but they respected each other. He nominated a hardcore conservative. Tom coburn was one of the times top 100 most important people. This is the essence of what government is about. That we respect each other and while we disagree we can put the country first. Youve got to get back to some of that or we will never survive. Benjamin franklin said republic will be about what you can keep it. And it is about what we can keep going forward. We are in exceptional when we hold elections and accept the results and peacefully transfer power from one to the other. If we do not trust that and do not believe in that and do not honor that, we will not survive as a republican. Weve got to start respecting each other again and respecting the institution and traditions. I know people need to clean up their act in the be oj and the fbi should never be politicized, but at the end of the day we should clean them up and restore confidence that we have the right confidence in our country. The American People have a responsibility also because they are supposed to engage, participate, vote and pay attention. We can only hold our leaders accountable if we do our art. Host republican of oklahoma 850 nine videos in the cspan video library. I will note that sometimes it can be harder to book senators on the graham. Tom coburn on the program. Top codeword tom coburn was not one of those taking calls from those around the country. He can watch it again on cspan. Org. We have our caller, democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. My main concern, i actually really like the back and we just had about and forth we just had about how we can compromise. But also wanted when out the reason why there is a deficiency there is when you look at the Republican Party right now you have a lot of who were unable to acknowledge the attack on january 6, who is responsible, there are people that some the people who attacked our capital. It is disheartening and it is also hard to take someone seriously when they say they want to support the rule of and they want to represent the country when they stand by and support people who actually attacked it. Host we come back to zach on that one. Guest in between me 10 in 2010, i was politicized to be from tennessee. I believe on this last call from tennessee. January 6 was an abomination. It is one of the war stays in the history of our country. Everything about it was wrong. We should acknowledge that and the Republican Party will only truly be great again if we are actually able to say, no, that should never happen. It should never happen again and we should stand strong behind the Constitutional Government and the separation of power in the constitution and bill of rights and the institution that made a strong. January 6 was an abomination to all of the things i just said. Host alright and you are nodding your head. Guest i agree so soft so strongly with zach. We were in congress on 9 11 and we were told that a plane was approaching washington dc either headed to the white house or the capital. We all went through that day. At the end of that day, we returned to the steps of the capital, zach, i know you remember this, we held hands and we sang god bless america. In the next several days we created the department of Homeland Security prevented several weeks and months we tighten security at air words and protected the American People. That is how it is supposed to work, on january 6 it was an actual attack on the capital. An act of domestic terror where Police Officers were being and brutalized, where stormtroopers invaded the capital and try to take it over, and later that night what was supposed to happen was a return to civility and certification of the president. Now we did certify that joe biden had won the election republicans and democrats, nancy pelosi and Chuck Schumer did advance the peoples business at night, but shortly after that, mccarthy went to our logo and began to back off his initial criticisms of donald trump and the Maga Movement for the invasion. And i believe that marks the beginning of the loss of faith that members of congress had in mccarthys ability to be the speaker of the house. That is one final point, he is the speaker of the house, he is the leader of the republican majority, but he is also constitutionally the speaker of the house whose Mention Mission it is to protect the constitution and when he came to the side of maga i believe many lost face faith in his abilities. Host and the steps of the capitol on 9 11, you can watch the video now for our viewers at cspan. Org standing there and singing in unison that night. You can see harry reid there and members of congress, members of the house and senate. No party identified on any of them standing next to each other. At cspan. Org is reagan watch that. Is where you can watch that. We have about two minutes left. A call coming in. Caller good morning, gentlemen. I follow harry as truman under roosevelt in 202230 in 2023 in america i have no home. And i think i see it as the biggest problem in the american Clinical Experience is we no longer have something that i call pitch. P is for principles, i is for integrity and c is for compassion. Im going to start a political already only party only of migrants and im going to run for presidency in 2028. Because the problem is there is no home in america for migrants. Everything is on the extremes. We are slipping and no one sees it, but i see it. We are not so far from what happened in germany in the 1930s, gentlemen. Host that is bill out of minnesota. Zach wamp on principle, integrity and in cash in and compassion. Guest the truth is theres not many left in the middle. A lot of the big issues define us. Crime, immigration, they are very separating and even in the cultural or there are big issues of separation today. What i am advocating is not it not that everybody comes to the middle, that is unrealistic that what i advocate is everyone respecting each other again, respecting our constitution, individual liberty, and other peoples opinions. At the end of the day of what matters with war and peace and security, we need to come together as americans and respect each other and our institutions and our traditions if are going to truly last. I do not expect us all to agree or to all come to the middle. I do not think there will be kumbaya sung in the next generation. I do not think that will happen. Theres too many big issues that divide us. But we better respect our countrys history and traditions if we surprise if we survive. Host we do not know we hope that they are conversing on cspan two on sundays but in congress you started an independent book group, theodores book on oyster bay. The last color on the program saying that people do not read enough anymore. Is there a book that you would recommend on this idea of the principle of integrity, compassion in american politics . If somebody wants to feel good about that or have a better understanding of the history of that what would you command . Guest i love that. Read anything. Get off of social media where opinions are formed by algorithm and read a book. The books that guided me to congress and continues to guide me today was to kill a mockingbird. That is about integrity, respect, principles. It is about somebody, the lead character, addicks finch, who decides he has to stand up for what is right with overwhelming odds. He teaches those lessons to his family and i wish there were more in the United States congress today. To kill a mockingbird. Host congressman wamp what are you reading right now . Guest i just finished genius makers of how ai came to us. How these people brought us the new challenge of our generation. It will be so transformative that none of us know how it will end. It worries me a little bit where ai takes us in six years. So i wanted to kind of find out how it was all set in Artificial Intelligence to go from no in 1995 to everywhere in 2023 it is called genius makers by New York Times technology collins. Host i remember when you were one of the concerns you and your colleagues had was overregulation continues to be a concern for republican. Is it time for congress to regulate ai and if so how should they step into that . Yes but the congress is so dysfunctional that i do not trust them with regulating ai. I think it needs to be regulated before the genie gets out of the bottle because it has potential to do real harm. In many ways it is like the iphone and the internet and technology, we have a disinformation problem in america. We have the ability now with iphone for individuals to cause great harm with this with disinformation and misinformation. Now we have a deep bass in all the ways that ai and even in elections can convince you that somebody says something and it looks and sounds just like them but it is not them. This is a real problem. In regulating with some kind of disclaimer is not going to keep the harm from happening. I am afraid the harm could get so bad that once the genie is out of the bottle, you can actually potentially, i do not they just will happen because i think we have the ability to top it, that it could destroy us to stop it, but it could destroy us. I think the goodness in us will bring forth some kind of barriers to where this may take us, but it is an under believable and unbelievable frontier of ai. Host we have time for one more call with you gentlemen. In lake city, tennessee. Republican. Good morning. Caller mr. Wamp, heavy change to a democrat . You sound like one. You do nothing but sit there and criticize the Republican Party in you can tell you hate President Trump. Not one word of criticism of what democrats have done to america. In 2. 5 years they have can legally changed america, regulating everything, sending our money to the most corrupt country, all of them want to get their hands and it even Hillary Clinton wants to go to ukraine and get involved. You have fallen into cspan strap. They only invite republicans on who criticize republicans and you have fulfilled your dreams. Guest she must have missed the first part of the show where i said the unfortunate part about what happened here is from 30,000 feet we had a lot of good momentum we have contrast between a Republican Party and house of senate and the leadership frankly the complete ineptness of President Biden but instead of focusing on that with the mccarthy lead house we turned into a secular circular firing squad that is what i said windows the show was open. But when we talked about the mccarthy thing and what happened with the populace matt gaetz is no conservative leader to change america. I personally think ron desantis is. That is where i am i am a reagan conservative republican. I am not a populist kind of lunatic. Theres a lot of them out there today and that is the separation i am drawing. I think our party has to go back to fundamental issues and show the contrast of how biden it is not working it is not working at all. Thisis more of a jimmy carter era but what happened after that . We had a new morning with america and we need that again. That is what i am for. Host we began the program with a question for zach wamp so we give you the final 60 seconds here. Guest briefly there is a fundamental difference between zach and me. That is fine and respectful. I will take eight hundred thousand new manufacturing jobs. Over the Trump Administration. When you go to the Administration Like in tennessee the keeping of nato to protect the democracy against a menace like vladimir putin, any day of the week. I am very, i continue to work enthusiastically. And the efforts of the Biden Administration. And a comment on the book, we need more of washington journal and more conversation and respectful baits between people like zach and me. Unless theatrics and social thank you for bringing us together. Host thank you for joining us. Former congressman from new york, zach whomp from the volunteer state of tennessee. Appreciate your time. 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This is what democracy looks like. Cspan powered by cable. Washington journal continues. Host it is time for open forum the team you lead the discussion this morning. Any Public Policy, any political issue want to talk about. Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. Perhaps this is a story you will want to talk about. Unemployment rate just released. They release the jobs numbers. 336,000 jobs were added. The Unemployment Rate held steady at 3. 8 . Those jobs numbers added higherthanexpected for those economists who try to predict what job numbers are monthtomonth. Those numbers again release about 34 minutes ago from the bureau of labor statistics. We will dive into the more about 9 30. Washington post corresponded Abha Bhattarai will join us. Out of julie, this is george philadelphia, this is george. Caller hello. If i understand correctly, there is no speaker of the house, correct . Host yes. Theres going to be an election next wednesday. Caller right now, if a person die, the Vice President becomes the president . Who becomes the next person in line . Host after that would be the Senate Speaker pro tem. Caller ok. Why does the speaker does not have why doesnt the speaker of the house have a backup . Host i should say the president pro tem is the fourth in line to the presidency. Theres a vacancy in the speaker position. That is not theres no person to take that role. Did you want to add anything else, george . Caller yes, one more thing. Why did they take so long doing this on that one party . Host a Candidate Forum set by republicans, the public and conference on tuesday of next week and then speaker election expected to start wednesday of next week. We will see how that plays out next week. We will be here watching it on the washington journal. The Senate President pro tem the fourth in line for the presidency and the third in line to the speaker position is filled. Don in washington. Republican. Good morning. Caller good morning. I just wanted to say. I was trying to get on the last two former congress folk. The republican guy he is a bright no. I enjoyed the tennessee guy who called them out at the end. Im not going to waste my time on that. It was pretty funny. I hope you got your advil. Here you say come on man, that is good stuff. Hope you got your advil to you. I do want to say, i just heard you talking about patty murray, god forbid if she comes in. She is a scam artist too. I just wanted to say, those two guest you had on there, they forgot their bronzes is today, and they are just and you can just see it. It is said you guys sprinkle here as republican. Brink on here as a republican. They are not patriots. I was wondering if you guys, it is about time i ask you about one year ago about mr. Bubble mr. Boblenski. Are you going to bring him on . It is probably a good time. That is all i have, john. Love cspan. Great entertainment in the morning. Host have a great friday. Fill out the las vegas, independent. Good morning. Caller hi. Ive have a couple customers the last person, republican that was on, and that was the you speak about it seems like when the maintenance of being a republican right now is to go after trans people, to go after women, other minorities or people who do not have a voice in society. The second concern i have is the economy did not start two years ago when joe biden came into office. The first two years of presidency is riding the coattails of the last president. Joe biden did not get the ira funded until over one year into the economy so this is saying talk about somehow joe biden may came into office, thanks economy, tanks the economy as if the republicans did not spend the most and cutting taxes. Note good businessman cuts revenue from their business, no Good Government officials should be cutting tax for people. Thats about it. Host this is erica out of new york. Line for democrats. Caller good morning. I tried to get in earlier with the two former congressman. They got great ideas. They do not agree of the republicans or democrats, but entitlement is getting thrown around. I thought the guy was going to do the is the washington state,. Hes not cutting Social Security or something for you entitlements. So much to cover. Citizens united. Your last caller having compassion for everybody. There are so much we have to tackle that we dont. As congress, when they go around the money, Campaign Donations, ukraine money. A lot of the money being spent. The money being tracked in ukraine is unbelievable. You have websites you can go to and find out almost anything how the money is being tracked. That will cut it for now. So many issues getting tossed around that did not do not get dealt with and the jobs numbers, great job numbers today. No rise in unemployment. Lets hope biden keeps on going and taking care of the american public. Trade unions and everybody else. Thats all i got to say. Host you bring up ukraine. This news out of ukraine yesterday. This is the Washington Times world section. Russian rockets struck a village cafe in Eastern Ukraine thursday killing at least 51 civilians in one of the deadliest attacks in months during the war. The quantity president zelenskyy that is according to president zelenskyy. Hes attended a summit of about 50 european leaders in spain to shore up support from ukraine allies denouncing the strike is a brutal russian crime and completely deliberate act of terrorism. The story out of ukraine. Ken in sidney, ohio. Republican. Caller i wanted to call earlier about the two representatives that were there. Although i am a republican, one of the republicans i voted for jimmy carter. And i have voted democrat since. We talked about the first thing they need to do is entitlements, i work for 50 years and paid into the system. I see money that that it seems like an Endless Supply of money going to immigrants. They sleep in 500 a night hotels. They are served food the paper away. It makes me angry when they want to take money away from people that have worked and paid into the system and call it entitlements. It is a big debat it is a benefit. Host can i ask you about the story we talked about on the first hour of office in journal, the issue of immigration, President Joe Biden said to assume construction of water was reversing his val, even while saying he does not believe walls work. Caller i think he is doing that because the election is coming up and he can go back and state while i started building again. He is a liar. Walls are not racist. There has been walls and they have worked ever since time began. Look at the wall in england. That was built to keep supposedly the barbarians out. The great wall of china. It is not racist. I did not care if anybody calls me erase this anymore because it Means Nothing cost me a racist anymore because it Means Nothing. The democrats claim jobs were created. Most of those jobs, 75 probably, existed before the pandemic and they just came back. That one senate leader, harry reid, he said the president ial candidate had not paid any taxes. After the election was over, he says we won. That is not integrity. Host gary in indiana. Independent. Good morning. Caller good morning, everybody. I just want first of all, respond to what zach womp was saying from carter to reagan. I respect jimmy carter for being a great Foreign Policy president and a good moral man. He had his faults. But we could have done a lot worse. You all know the rise and fall of the roman empire, well, america is in the process of repeating that story. We have been called the greatest nation on earth for years. Im afraid we become the greatest nation on earth and we know it. Lemme tell you something. This is from winston churchill. With great power comes great responsibility. That is absolutely true and we should take that seriously. Is it too late for us to avoid the worse yet though i do not know. Lets all do what we can. See what we can do. Right everything that has been made wrong. We are in debt to china and china a powerful and mean. They want us bad. Folks, we better pray and we better do our parts the best we can, altogether. God bless america. Host here in washington dc, monique. Democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you for cspan. I want to clear up something that the public and congressman from tennessee had stated he said that george bush had balanced budgets during his administration. That was false. Bill clinton from the years of 19982001, he had a surplus for his final four years. His budgets were balanced. George bush came in 2001. He did a significant income tax from 20012003. They limited the Medicare Part b in 2003 implemented the Medicare Part b in 2003. We had the housing bubble under bill clinton under george bush. We have to start telling the facts about exactly what was going on in america. Also, when it comes to the border wall that is getting ready to continue to be built under biden, that was something that was appropriated in 2019 under mr. Trump. That was something already signed, sealed, and supposed to be delivered. I also want to Say Something about what is going on in the i think mr. Matt gaetz, he did lord. Host mccarthy. Caller mccarthy dirty. I think him and jim jones did some type of big back deal. Host jim jordan. Caller think he had a back office deal or something because when jones came out on the floor and spoke so heavily, he was like we cannot do this the way they speak when theyre on the floor and they are so inspired but then i think it is going on between them two. My spirit is just telling me those two had a purpose to get him out. I think it was built like that from the beginning. Im just assuming. This is my opinion. I do not know if it is facts. But if mr. Jones becomes the house speaker, the roof will be set on fire. Host jim jordan, former President Donald Trump during his support behind thomas meant jordan to become speaker of the house. It was a late night or early post on his true social platform. It is overnight last night the former president saying jim jordan would be a great speaker of the house. He is a strong in all caps. During his support behind donkey support behind the Judiciary Committee chairman right now in the house. Tom in woodbridge virginia. Republican. Caller good morning. I think there are so many things going on in the country that i want to remind all those people out there that spent the last four or five years hating donald trump. The Democrat Party of the United States created a false dossier, they parted it to the fbi peddeled to the fbi to create a false that wanted his presidency and innate release that information knowing it was false to youth the democrats so you could hate him. They lied. They are lying to their own constituency. Then, knowing the hunter biden laptop was real [indiscernible] host are you still with us . Caller i am. Can you hear me . Host go ahead. Caller everyone knew, all the democrats, the fbi and doj new hunter biden is being investigated by the fbi and the irs and they covered that up and they lied to the democrats again to try to get donald trump out of office. Then they went and found 51 Intelligence Officers that were Career Service of our country and they lied to them and got them to write a memo saying it was russian disinformation when they knew it was real. Host what do you think happens in 2024 . Caller donald trump will get the nomination, but what i think needs to happen in 2024 is the democrats who now are responsible for those lies, including the false impeachment of donald trump, because he was trying to get the hunter biden crime situation revealed. That was what the phone call was about and the irs new, fbi knew, democrats knew, and they impeached a sitting president for something they knew it was true. Host this is tony. About five minutes left in open forum. Sugar land, texas. Caller good morning, john. This is my four call in begging all to have the political writer, ben, on your program. I feel this by his to the fact that bias to the fact that i talked to you before about it. You had three on your program about trump. The baker family, major garrett, and the guy from watergate, and you discuss those three books and i been calling to have yall have this author on there because he goes into detail about the drifters. 50 years of the biden;s. Second think i called about was the ceisa report that came out in june 2022. It does with the dominion voting machines. Yall would not talk about it. You have a judge in georgia. The report on the dominion voting machines, she just looked at the sale lifted the seal on the report. If you read the articles it talks about how easy these machines are being hacked can be hacked. Brad raffensperger does not want to update the Security Patch for these machines so after the 2024 election. Why wont they update it . You know what is going to happen in 2024. You have the report telling you we have problems with the machines. Now the aldeman report is out there. People need to read these reports and the articles from different media outfits associated press, politico. They all talk about these reports. Host ben, National Correspondent with politico, he has been on the washington journal once before. Always do appreciate suggestions for teacher segments. It is a seven day a week program and almost looking for folks to come on and take your calls and talk about the news of the day. Vivian in tennessee, democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. I have been a usual call them at the last three months ive been sick and was not able to call you all. Host i hope youre doing better. Caller the strike of the nurses and stuff, people not being paid enough. Since ive been in hospital, i saw nurses being worked overtime. Tired but still coming in, but they do not want to give them the raises to help save people life. I am here as a witness. They helped save my life. My heart, i did not know, it was beginning to give out on me. They took me to the hospital. Thought out into something wrong with my heart and im 72 years old about her that but after that, i republican representatives in tennessee when they did not allow the young men, democrats, to speak. This got to stop. We are all one country per year russia, china, they are looking at what is going on here. How can they talk about china rich republicans got all the jobs over there . Everything in america, made in china, made in vietnam, made in taiwan. When i was younger it was made in usa. We have democrats and republicans be made to let this go through. Host on the national strike, this is the npr story. Health care workers at hundreds of Kaiser Permanente hospitals and facilities across u. S. Walked off the job wednesday this week in effort to ramp up pressure on the employer to fix Staffing Shortage that has intensified since the start of covid. Over 75,000 workers went on strike in california, colorado, washington, oregon, and washington dc, it is the Biggest Health care strike in u. S. History, according to the unions participating. Time for a couple more calls. Sicilia in cherokee, alabama. Good morning. Caller good morning. A couple of things. I am really against any more funding for ukraine. A fire is never going to go out if you keep getting it is just so destructive. It is so wasteful. When we got our terrible budget here. Economy. Talking about entitlement. People need to get off of these entitlement programs. It is like if i borrow money, it is like me putting a chain around my neck. Now i am in debt. Everybody collecting these entitlements, you are kind of enslaving yourself. We need to make people aware of that. Your becoming enslaved to the government. This country was not made for people to be entitle all the time. Our entitlements are mitts for Social Security and those in the most dire need. A lot of these kids are fat. I think there are a lot of cutbacks that need to be had. I am kind of nervous. I think biden and all these people that are for the wars, they need to enter their own Bank Accounts, and put their own money up first. Let them sell their homes. Lets of them empty their Bank Accounts and pay for this war. Stop taking it away from this country, the taxpayer money. Host our last caller in our open forum. The house come in for a brief session at 10 00 a. M. Eastern this morning. We will take you there when they do. Until then, a focus on the jobs numbers that were just released about one hour ago. 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About double what people were expecting and it comes as a surprise. It shows the job market is still extremely strong. He fed us been trying for over one year to raise Interest Rates to slow the economy and we are starting to see think slow, but the job market has held on and that is anchoring things. It is giving households the money they need to keep spending and it is really propping up the broader economy. Host have you been able to take into the job sectors were these jobs added . Guest yes, it is across many different sectors, which is a great sign. We are seeing nearly 100,000 new jobs in leisure and hospitality, a sector that has struggled to get back to prepandemic levels, and in september, it got there. Restaurants and bars. As they were before the pandemic. We are also seeing new hires in government, Health Care Jobs and it is helping drive a lot of this growth. Host you mentioned the Federal Reserve and the importance of these jobs numbers when it comes to that allimportant Interest Rate. Where are they going to be taking away from the report . Guest if you asked me two hours ago, i would have said the fed is hanging tight for a while, they are likely to keep raising Interest Rates, but this extremely strong the jobs number changes the picture a bit. It puts another Interest Rate hike this year back on the table. There are several other theres another inpatient report, a gdp report coming out before the fed meets later this month so we will see what they do, but it is still very much an open question whether they continue to raise Interest Rates. Host with a gdp report . What is expected to show . Guest is the Third Quarter gdp report and by most measures the economy was extremely strong in the Third Quarter so that is likely to be a very high number and the economy has stunned a lot of people. I think we started the year with many economists thinking we were definitely in for a recession and that has not happened. These continue to grow. Host coming back to this report. We just in america and wages in america and coming out of covid and high Interest Rates. Guest wages are still going up, but wage growth has cooled from before this year. From earlier this year but at the same time was important for many families is wage growth is out easy inflation. We just is up about 4. 2 compared to inflation of 3. 7 . For a normal family monthly budget, that is a good thing. Host when i say Interest Rate amid inflation rates. I meant inflation rates. Where are economists coming out of this time of high inflation rates, on the idea of avoiding a recession . There was optimism that soft landing could be achieved. Where are we a today . Guest the summer to fight the odds. Their expectations things are going to slow down in a big way and that is not happened and a lot of that is because the job market that continues to hold steady. As fun as americans are receiving paychecks, they are still able to spend. They have been able to deal with the other hurdles that are out there. That has given resilience to the economy. There is an open question of what happens next year. People are still expecting the economy to begin slowing next year. There is no way things are going to continue at the pace they have been, but the question is how much they are going to slow, and what the slowdown will be protracted enough to push us into a recession. The general sense is even if there is a recession, it will be a fairly mild, fairly short one. Caller President Biden to offer data expected to offer remarks of the latest job numbers at 1130 a. M. Eastern this morning. You can watch it live on cspan. Org, our free mobile video apps he spent now. C span now. We want to hear what you had to say taking your questions this morning with Abha Bhattarai , Washington Post economic correspondent. She is with us until the house comes in for a brief pro forma session. If you want to call in, republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. We will begin in baltimore, maryland. This is andrew. Democrat. Caller good morning. The fit dual mandate is the price stability and employment. I think we at the point where we can say that the fed has had a difficult time balancing the two to the point it is almost like a whipsaw. I think we should have them stick more to price stability since that seems to affect everyones bottom line more. Curious about your comments on that. Also, if you have noticed the pace mortgagebacked securities welding of the fed appellate sheet. They saved 35 billion as the upper limit but they have never even come close to that. If you look at the mbb etf, it is doing worse than commercial securities. That is the i shares bloomberg etf tracker. I will leave it there. Guest thank you for your question. You are right. The fed has been in a tight spot. It is the two mandates to bring it to the 2 target and make sure unemployment remains at a healthy level. It is had to balance those two and continues to have to balance those two but the focus the last year and i have has been on bringing down inflation. They have heightened Interest Rates nearly a dozen times and were seeing Mortgage Rates are at 23 year highs. It is having a slow down effect on housing sales and were seeing that worked its way through the economy. The big question now is sort of how much longer it will take for all of those Interest Rate hikes to ripple through, to really see the final impact, how much things are going to end up slowing in the end. I think that is the big challenge for the fed, figuring out how aggressively to move now, and what that might look like six months or one year from now, and whether theyre going to be able to get inflation back down at a steady pace without totally blank of the job market. Host woodstock, georgia. This is daniel. Republican. Good morning. Caller good morning. I would like to ask a question and see if you can help me verify some information that ive read in different sources. I guess thats one of the Biggest Challenges trying to discern what is true and what is not. The notion that during the height of covid, when our economy was in shambles, that regardless of which administration, who was in office, the money had to be injected into the economy to keep it from collapsing. The fear was that there could be another great depression. Then the other piece attached to that, is that we had inflation now as a result of the money that had to be injected into the economy. I would like to get that verified. I will listen to you off of the phone. Thank you. Guest absolutely. You are right. There are no easy answers. Early in the pandemic, 20 Million People lost their jobs within a matter of weeks. Were not sure what was coming next. The government took the unprecedented action of infusing all of money and that kept things going for a lot of families and u. S. Economy for a long time. We had the fastest recovery in a very long time, a very quick recovery. People are able to get back on their feet and there is data that shows Child Poverty levels fell for the first time in years. Things like hunger and housing and securities, those were helped in a big way because of the extra funding. On the flipside of that, it also led to increased spending, at the time was supply chains were messed up. It was really difficult to get the products we needed and at the same time americans had more money to spend on those products. Demand was high. Supply was low. That helped boost inflation to the levels we have not seen in a long time. Thats where we are now. We are having to work through the final stages of that which is to bring the inflation back down. But in many ways the government spending, even though it did lift inflation, was a lifeline for families and businesses that were struggling to survive early in to a 20. Host bobby on twitter it wants to know why the fed has those two mandates, why is inflation worse than high interest on credit and efforts to lower implement . Employment . Guest the prices make up the cornerstone of the economy. It needs families need to know what things are going to look like. You cannot have a situation where prices are spiraling out of control. It is important for the fed. They stick to a 2 mandate that their target rate for inflation. They want prices to go up about 2 a year and lately we have seen as much as 7 , 8 , 9 . There focus on bringing that down because that trickles through the Spending Plans and into investment plans and they want to make sure that a secure. Host ray in nebraska, independent. Good morning. Caller good morning. I hear you talking about inflation. I would have a couple comments related to inflation. Number one, after 2008 financial crisis defect was printing money like it was going out of style. That alone is a major cause for inflation. Number two, Ronald Reagan began the process of eliminating restrictions on corporations trading monopolies. When you have a monopoly, they pretty much charge whatever they want. I have seen Companies Raise their prices and should permanently because they can raise their prices because they can. In the pharmaceutical industry where there no check and balances on the energy. They do whatever they want as far as raising prices. I am glad i heard this is more of a discussion about labor. Im glad to see the unions are starting to come back, est a little bit, in a way to push back against corporate greed. The example i have seen recently is the United Auto Workers where gm paid ceo roger 11,000 a day paid to the co 111,000 dollars a day and the union is saying we took a big reduction in her benefits after the 2008 crash to try to keep this company afloat. Then another huge problem that causes inflation i think is stock buybacks. Where companies are artificially inflating their stock prices. Before one of reagan that was pure market of an ablation and it was still market manipulation and it was still legal. Theres a long list of problems with corporate greed. I will leave it at that and listen to your comments. Guest you hit on very important issues. Yes, there is the point of prices that are rising at rates we have not seen in decades. A lot of that is because of labor cost. Some of it is because of supply cost. Theres also the open a question of how much are companies capitalizing on this environment. People are realizing maybe im going to have to pay extra and so our Companies Taking advantage of that. There are signs that in some cases there are. Workers have unprecedented power right now. Many of them worked to the pandemic through very thankless times and felt like they were not fairly compensated even though the companies are raking in profits. Executives paid and as a result we have thousands of workers on strike between the actors strike in hollywood, the auto striking around the country, and the as a permanente healtrs. We are seeing it across a number oftries, particularly working as person throughout the pandemic, who are realizing i do not think things are entirely fair right now. Host do strikes get reflected in jobs numbers . Or is there compilation of workers on strike monthtomonth that gets reported on . Guest there will be cascading effects and i think will start to see that in the octobers job number. The uaw strike is not showed up as the numbers yet. It can have a Chilling Effect on the labor market. We are seeing furloughs and layoffs in certain cases related. Also companies. It can also have a big impact on Consumer Spending and families are not sure whether they will be striking one month from now, maybe they are not going to be spending as fairly as they would otherwise. There are potential ripples throughout the economy. Host this was your story before chris was able to avert a shutdown on september 30 congress was able to avert a shutdown on september 30. Prospect of Government Shutdown poses a new threat to u. S. Economy. Were you watching for in that time . Guest we are watching for a lot. So i. T. Is never good for the economy. We are in a very uncertain time. Perhaps even more uncertain than one week ago we had a speaker of the house. Theres this impending sense of doom that we might be headed for another Government Shutdown. That has big impacts on the weather families and businesses feel like theyre in a position to keep spending, whether they want to make that investment or wait and see what happens. Theyre going to end up losing their paychecks are having to wait for backpay so it is a moving target. We are not sure what is going to happen but the problem with uncertainties like this is that you have to brace for the worse. That is the point where we are right now. Host 10 minutes left with Abha Bhattarai in breakdown really jobs report the latest jobs report. Phone lines as usual. Relent on the line for democrats in maryland. Caller thank you for taking my call. How many jobs get curated in chunks four years got the created in trumps four years . Inflation all over the world america is the only country creating jobs at this rate in the developed world. Time exactly how many jobs were created. What bill the republican support team to help with inflation . Gas prices is high due to de demand. The American Economy is a juggernaut. We keep reinventing ourselves. During covid come a lot of people quit their jobs and their increase to go back and refused to go back. Host you bring up a lot of issues. What do you want to focus on . Guest i didnt get a lot of his comments but i think we are, you are right inflation has become a worldwide problem and in many countries it is far worse than it has been in the United States. We are very unique. We have not faced the worse of it, but also our economy has remained extremely strong and resilient which many other countries cannot say right now. Host virginia out of california per year and dependent morning. Caller i would like to say youre talking about Interest Rates and Mortgage Rates. To borrow money and what have you. Personally, i think the people in america got the most spoiled over these 1 loans are getting free money just about when trump was in office. It is about five or six for regular mortgage. People making too much over this that they cannot afford a home now. I think we are the best nation in the world. Proud as can be of our United States. But i think that our people are not appreciative of what we really have and also, we are the hardest working country in the world. People in europe work 9 00 to 3 00 maybe. They have many months vacations but the americans we are not set that way. Our mindset is work, work. We play hard and we worked very hard. I think we should be giving credit to that. Were going through a rough time. We had a pandemic that killed me as a people and we should be grateful for the days we have and shared with others. I hope everyone in that essay should be proud of our work ethic. The u. S. Should be proud of our work ethic. Look at texas. They are quite greedy. I do not think the rest of people are pulling our pain but we will work through it. Host a couple different issues there. One of them was mortgage Interest Rates. What are you watching for their in the coming months . Guest in virginia, we have is followed by a period of rockbottom Mortgage Rates. People got mortgages when Interest Rates were at 2 , 3 and those are historically very low levels. We are at about 7. 5 which is much higher than we were a few years ago but at the same time house prices have also soared by huge amount at the time. That makes it that much more expensive. It is not just people having to pay more to borrow for the house, they have to borrow more because the house is more expensive. Thats with americans under tight spot. We will see how much further Mortgage Rates and credit card reads and car rates continue to rise and a lot of that has to do with what the fed decides to do at this next meeting. Host this is george of st. Louis, missouri. Independent. Caller good morning. As far as the jobs report, what i wanted to ask, it seems as if the economists that put out these numbers, theyre always wrong. Not only are they wrong by just a little, they are wrong by a lot. How do they maintain where did they come from . How did they maintain their jobs . How do they figure these reports . Host the folks who try to predict what is going to be in the bureau of labor statistics report or are you talking about the folks bureau of labor statistics when they go back and revise reports monthtomonth . Caller i called them p undits. They call themselves economists. I do not understand how they predict these numbers and theyre always missing them. Host lets focus on that. Who do you pick we are trying to find an economist to say this is what i think it is going to be at the beginning of each month when youre writing these stories ahead of the reports coming out . Guest it is a tough game to play and i talked to as many comments as i can because i do not think any one person is always right or wrong. It is tough to get a handle on what is happening monthtomonth, especially in an uncertain time where we are seeing pretty large swings as he happens to the jobs numbers, from a month to the next. All of these economist theyre looking at a range of factors trying their best to gain out what is going on but it can be tough. Cap talk to as many people as possible and even then there are a lot of surprises like todays number at which i think stunned a lot of people. Host 336,000 jobs added in the month of september. The Unemployment Rate at 3. 8 Holding Steady. That is the numbers that came out this morning about an hour and a half ago. The house at the go in every pro forma session in a couple minutes or two. Malard in pennsylvania, democrat. Caller i would like to Say Something. I am 82 years old. Because of what they are saying, President Biden has done a great job because he brought us out the pandemic that we were going through, unemployment is light. People do not see it because they are being brainwashed with foolishness that is not going to help them, such as biden is rebuilding the country to bring jobs back. They should appreciate it. Rather than how he looks come his age. It is not at do with anything of the men working. He is working for the American People. He is not lying to the American People. That is my comments for this morning. They need to get themselves together because ive been through a lot of this stuff. I am 82 years old. I have seen it. I know when people are brainwashed. Host got your point. Caller hello cspan, wanted to make a quick comment. Just a comment about joe biden not being a liar. He is a politician and has been lying all of his life. Host we are running out of time can you get to the point really quick. Caller even for a token gesture if the house of representatives would vote to reduce the federal budget by 2 for the next 10 years would that help . Host what would that do to our debt deficit situation . Caller i would be surprised if anyone in congress could come up with a plan in the next several months to help this along. In terms of inflation, the fed is the main game in town so we will be looking to them to bring down inflation. Host you can see more of her work on Washington Post. Com. Thank you for walking through the report this morning and we appreciate it. Guest thank you. Host that will do it for us here at the washington journal. We now take you to live coverage of a brief pro forma session on the house of representatives momentarily