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Host washington journal for october 4. That was the vote on the house floor that ended representative Kevin Mccarthys tenure as speaker of the house, ate republicans voting along with all House Democrats to remove him. His critics said he did not keep promises made to them when he campaigned for the office. The move through the house into uncertainty, especially as the government funding deadline approaches. Then there is the question of next steps to elect a new speaker. You are invited to express your thoughts on the event involving Kevin Mccarthy on the following lines. Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. And independents, 202 7488002. If you want to make your thoughts on Kevin Mccarthy being removed as speaker of the house and you want to send us a tweet, you can do that at 202 7488003. You can post on facebook and on x and follow the show on instagram. As you are calling in, here are the front pages from major newspapers. The New York Times. Mccarthy first to be removed as speaker. Going to the Washington Post, mccarthy voted out as speaker, with the yes and no votes being displayed as well. You go to the wall street journal, house removes mccarthy as speaker, and then the Washington Times this morning, mccarthy expelled as House Speaker. A lot that played in the background leading to the events of yesterday. You can call and comment on it. 202 7488001 for republicans. 202 7488002. Text us at 202 7488003. It was after the vote that representative Kevin Mccarthy went before reporters to take questions. Here are some of his comments. [video clip] the one thing i will tell you is doing the right thing is not always easy but it is necessary. I do not regret standing up for choosing governance over grievance. It is my responsibility and job. I do not regret negotiating. Our government is designed to find compromise. I do not regret my efforts to build coalitions and find solutions. I was raised to solve problems, not create them. I may have lost the but today, but as i walked out of the chamber i feel fortunate to observe the American People. I leave the speakership with a sense of pride, accomplishment, and optimism. From the day i entered politics, my mission has been to make tomorrow better than today. I fought for what i believe in, and i believe in the country of america. My goals have not changed. My ability to fight is just in a different form. Unfortunately, 4 of our conference joined all the democrats to dictate who could be the republican speaker in this house. I do not think that rule is good for the institution, but apparently im the only one. I believe i can continue to fight, may be in a different manner. I will not run for speaker again. I will have the conference pick somebody else. I hope you realize every day i did the job, regardless of whether you underestimated me, i did it with a smile. Host representative Kevin Mccarthy making those statements after the vote to oust him as speaker took place. You can see the whole vote yesterday. You can hear the full comments from rep. Mccarthy on our website from representative mccarthy on our website. This the Associated Press has an article looking at next steps. Kevin mccarthy is out as speaker of the house. Thanks for giving us your time. You post posed a series of questions. The first is who is in charge of the house now . Guest reporters and housestaff alike were scrambling yesterday to get to respond to this unprecedented vote to figure out who is in charge. Representative Patrick Henry was named speaker pro tem and we were all wondering about what powers does he have . How long can he serve . That is what we looked at right there. Host what is his role Going Forward . Guest it is very because this is unprecedented, it is unclear how much power he has, how long he can stay in office, but as of now it seems he has the appropriate and necessary powers to continue during this interim period until the House Republican leadership decides who they want to nominate for speaker. Host he is in charge of shepherding the process. Do we know what names have emerged as potential next speakers and how interested those people are in the job . Guest just a few people have popped up. They were kind of always in the background. If you paid attention in january, they are similar names and nobody will be a huge surprise. Steve scalise, the majority leader, the whip, and some other folks like jim jordan and kevin hearn, the chair of the committee. These are names that came up in january that are now being taken under more serious consideration. The house conference met yesterday before deciding to adjourn to next week. Do we know the nature of those discussions and of anything emerged from that . Guest mostly was for Kevin Mccarthy to say this was his last time and he is not going to be running for speaker again. There was an opportunity for many people to take that seriously. After the vote, many people were planning on renominating him and voting for him again and again until he went back. He is the only person who has been able to gain the majority of the republican conferences vote, so now they have to start from square one. It was an opportunity for folks who are interested to raise their hands. Host we saw several others support matt gaetz, but what is the sentiment of House Republicans overall tour matt gaetz today . Guest i think we all woke up monday not knowing how this week would go, but after last night there are many republicans and especially moderates who believe matt gaetz is not a representative of the conservative party. You heard mccarthy say it several times last night, that he is not a conservative, that he has voted against conservative ideals. He is under ethics review. There is a sense from any moderates that they want to expel him or punish him for what he put them through last night. Host is that a reality or just talk . Guest i think at this point it is just talk. With the ticking time of the government funding dilemma that they are facing and now they have to nominate the new speaker and move on in this post mccarthy era, i do not think punishing matt gaetz is the number one priority for everyone right now, but it is something to keep an eye on. Host what is expected when they come back . Do republicans expect this to be a drawn out or quick process of choosing the next speaker . It is unclear because no one, including the names i mentioned before, has the kind of support mccarthy had in january. We all talk about how it took him 15 rounds, but in every one of those rounds he had 90 of the Republican Caucus backing him. It is unclear whether any of this candidates has that support. I should mention that rep. Scalise is undergoing intense Health Issues right now. That is something many republicans are concerned about, about his ability to do the job. Then there is the fundraising aspect. Mccarthy fund raised for all of these guys. He was the reason many of the people that voted to oust him even came into office. These are all huge factors that the conference has to have has to debate and see who is the best person to lead them forward. Host at the time, there were negotiations about Appropriations Bills taking place. A lot of hearings were set for capitol hill. Do those come to a stop until a speaker is chosen . Guest according to house rules in january when congress starts, you cannot move forward with any legislative business until you have a speaker of the house. The way this is now tricky and most of us are try to figure out what happens is everyone has been sworn in. Congress has been in office for eight months. So what they can continue on with hearings, impeachment investigations will be halted, but i believe to have any sort of floor business they are going to want to have a speaker before they move forward. Host you can see her work at apnews. Com. You can call on the lines and post on our social media sites about the events leading up to the ouster of former speaker Kevin Mccarthy. We start with paul in new york on our line for democrats. Thank you for waiting. Go ahead. Caller i think it is kind of insane the democrats did not have the foresight to see they were tools in matt gaetzs move to have Speaker Mccarthy removed. This is going to set everything on pause for the most part. Nothing can move forward on the house floor. You cannot have you can still have committee meetings, but no decisions can be held without a speaker. That is clear. Matt gaetz did this because he and those eight other republicans felt betrayed by promises made back in january and now all this is doing is resetting everything back to how it was in january. Another 15 rounds drag out fights to determine who will be the next speaker. From what i can see online there is not even consideration for who will replace Speaker Mccarthy. It is just a giant waste of time. We have the next countdown timer for the shutdown of government and nothing can be discussed Going Forward about this. Host sylvia in virginia, republican line, you are next. Caller i feel disappointed, like we bit our own nose off as far as republicans. We are not going to get anything done. I like bob good, but i did vote for him several times ago when we were in his district and i am disappointed in him and i feel like i want to change being an independent. I feel the democrats will take over the house with all the confusion this has caused. Host andy biggs arizona among the list. Representative eli crane of arizona, bob good of virginia, and nancy mace of South Carolina joining the list as well alongside Matt Rosendale of montana. Justin in maryland, independent line. The removal of Kevin Mccarthy as speaker. You are next. I want the American People to understand what just happened. The democrats did want a shut down, but they will not tell anybody that. They like the theater and want to point fingers, but once trump goes away, what policies are they going to actually stand on . What they did yesterday, why would anybody want to work with them moving forward . I will put 100 right now on it. When it comes to november but the government will be shut down because why would you work with someone when most republicans already said they did not want mr. Mccarthy out and then you side with most extremist politicians in the government . Washington journal was the only one really that covered it right. It was eight republicans and democrats. Not just republicans. The problem with this country is no one cares to Work Together. We have to always work with stuff like that but it is just going to be more and i would not be surprised if more conservative right wing people start running and keep power of the house. Host the Business Insider reports about the speaker pro tem in a story this morning, how he came to the position. They add that under house rules Kevin Mccarthy was required to provide the house clerk in january a then secret list of members that temporarily serve as speaker of the house if the office became vacant. Mchenry rose to be the first name on his list. He leads the House Financial Services committee and now has power of the speakership needed to lead the chamber through the days ahead. The speakership is more than just one of the more powerful posts in congress. The speakers also second in line for the presidency. This temporary speaker could theoretically remain in power. The speaker pro tem could stay in the chair. He is a senior fellow at the Government Affairs institute of georgetown. There is not a formal election freight formal action formal mechanism for a new election. There is more there in Business Insider if you want to read about the speaker pro tem. Washington state, trish, democrats line. Caller i have just been amazed by how fabulous the posts are commit making America Great again. They cannot even keep their house in order, much less their caucus. I heard a representative yesterday saying we were supposed to have a week off anyway next week to go home and raise some funds, but it is not a big deal. I beg your pardon. It is a big deal. We have a farm bill that is so incredibly important on so many levels. We have a huge defense bill to deal with. I bet nato is going, what is going on . Then in the meantime we have no leadership. The republicans say we were spending too much money. I am spending a lot of money americans are spinning a lot of money for you to do the job you are not doing. Clearly you are not capable of it. The last three heads of the speaker, republicans, they either quit or bounced out because they could not handle it. Nancy pelosi got the job done twice. Host 202 7488001 for republicans. 202 7488000 for democrats. 202 7488002 for independents. You may want to text us your thoughts at 202 7488003. You can always post on our social media sites. Lets hear from representative matt gaetz after the vote, talking about his reasoning for what he did. Kevin mccarthy is a creature of the swamp. He has risen to power bike collecting special interest money and redistributing that in exchange for favors. We should elect a speaker who is better. You said last night Steve Scalise was a name you floated. Where do things stand now . The stages of grief are in progress right now. Some of my colleagues, there was egregious denial. I experienced a good amount of their anger and now we appear to be headed toward bargaining. I thinks i think he would make a phenomenal speaker. Im afraid of 33 trillion in debt crushing people in my district. If they want to expel me, let me know when they have the votes. Less than 45 days left. Thousand doesnt this paralyze the house . I think Kevin Mccarthy should take a hint after eight months of a failed speakership and removal in this historic manner. I think we should find somebody else. What has paralyze the house of representatives has been the failure of Speaker Mccarthy, not taking up Appropriations Bills. We left for a six week vacation while the appropriations process hung in the balance. You think i am paralyzing the house of representatives . I think the house of representatives has been paralyzed for several decades as we have refused to pass a budget. I think this represents the ripping off of the bandaid. That is what we need to do to get on track. Host politico reporting one of the first acts as acting speaker is that he ordered former Speaker Nancy Pelosi to vacate her capital Hideaway Office by today, according to an email ssent by politico. Please vacate the space tomorrow. The room will be rekeyed, wrote a top aide. The room was being reassigned by the acting speaker for speaker offer office use. Mchenry was first on list on the list to become the acting speaker. Only a select few house lawmakers get Hideaway Offices in the capital. Heres an image from the outside of the office as staff were spotted packing up things from that Hideaway Office. Just one of the things that emerged yesterday after the vote ousting Kevin Mccarthy as speaker. We are inviting you to give us your thoughts on that. Patrice in South Carolina, republican line, good morning. Caller mccarthy failed his promises not only to his fellow republicans but we the people as well. He had a timeline to get under control outrageous spending from the war, 80,000 irs agents, doj weaponized, just to name a few things, and he failed on all of those things. I would hope they would put trump in as speaker of the house. Also i am glad they are removing pelosi. Host that is patrice on the republican line. Anderson is next, new york city, independent line. Caller matt gaetz put on the most despicable display i have ever seen in congress and i have watched congress for some time. He turned on mccarthy. He was disrespectful to everyone in the Republican Party, and i mean conservatives. This was just january 6 all over again. This has nothing to do with the budget, nothing to do with ukraine, nothing to do with spending. This is because donald trump has asked Speaker Mccarthy to stop the investigations from alvin bragg to jack smith. Speaker mccarthy said, i cannot stop these criminal investigations. Matt gaetz is hired for donald trump. This has nothing to do with anything. In florida, he has no one running against him. He was given that seat and keeps that seat. He is trying to work in trumps administration. That is all this is about. Before you cut me off, this is not speculation. Donald trump said shut the government down to stop jack smith. Matt gaetz went on twitter and made a photograph of it and said we are going to shut the government down to stop jack smith. Host speaking of the former president , two legislators so far say they expect to make their case to nominate him as the next speaker of the house. A representative of texas says he will file the paperwork to nominate him as speaker of the u. S. House of representatives with the u. S. House of representatives reconvenes. Saying that President Trump, the greatest president in my lifetime has a proven record of putting America First and will make the house great again. Marjorie Taylor Greene also backing that effort. Marlene in massachusetts, democrats line. Caller good morning to you and cspan. I think my take on all of this that has occurred over the past couple days is that Speaker Mccarthy obviously was someone who was incapable of governing his own caucus and i think it also proves the gop is incapable of governing. And for democrats, i am not engaging this morning. I think this is tragic and has implications for the nation as a whole. Host john in illinois, republican line. Go ahead. Caller good morning. I am disappointed that mccarthy was voted out. However, i see this as part of the process in america, a renewal of our leaders. If they are not doing what we need them to do, they will change. There has been leadership in washington that is not getting jobs done. We are 33 trillion in debt. We do not protect our borders. We need people to get this done and we have a class in washington that just goes along to get along. Thank gosh somebody is willing to stand up and change this. If you look at other countries, you have people like putin that are in power. He cannot be removed or changed. The Founding Fathers set up our system so we could change our leadership. Host for the eight that voted against Speaker Mccarthy, do you think they have a plan to change those things you are concerned about . Caller there are others in the line for leadership. You guys mentioned this morning who those people are. There is other talent in the pool. I think mccarthy was a very reasonable person to have there. Thank god they awarded a shut down, but we need to change the addiction to spending in our country. We are on a path to disaster. Thank god somebody is bringing attention to this and is saying we need to stop. Host that is drawn in illinois. Lets hear from andre in texas. Caller this is a total fault of the republicans. Mccarthy should have learned from john boehner and paul ryan, that that caucus is like trying to herd cats in a wheel barrel. This is what you get. Mccarthy should have fit that and they are blaming the democrats because they did not vote along with the republicans in order to keep Kevin Mccarthy. Just change the name from Kevin Mccarthy to nancy pelosi and see if it is the same difference. I think john kasich would do a great job. He can bring people together. Host the wall street journal, their lead editorial comes to the defense of Kevin Mccarthy and criticism of republicans, titled republicans cut off their own head. They make this case, arguing the house has passed 12 annual spending bills on time because of demand for members like him. He and mr. Gates offered mainly a list of grievances and supposedly failed promises that had no chance of being realize this congress. The real motive looks to be spiked, personal and political. The result is chaos in their own ranks. The editors go on to say that mr. Mccarthy accomplished more he gets credit for. He negotiated a debt ceiling deal and clawed back some unspent pandemic money, created the special China Committee that is building a bipartisan consensus and response to communist party ambitions. He moved to restore some bipartisan after adam schiff. More there in the wall street journal. Bradley west virginia, democrats line, talking about the ouster of Kevin Mccarthy yesterday. You are next. Caller i am a democrat for now. I do not know how long i will be. Shame on the parties, both of them, and the lady in new york and gentlemen in washington, you need to think a minute. You have eight people that voted for him to be impeached and to me they are wolves in sheeps clothes. They are democrats. Even though i am a democrat, i am telling you this. And the whole Democrat Party turned on mccarthy. Host why would you expect them to support him . Caller i could agree on them not supporting him, but i do not think Democrat Party got to vote to impeach him. It should be the Republican Party, just the same as you wanted to impeach pelosi, it should be the Democrat Party, not the Republican Party that impeach him out. Them snakes is what they are. They impeached him and all the Democrat Party impeached him and that is why he is impeached. Host it is not an impeachment. It is a removal from office. Go ahead. Caller dirty party from both sides in a way. Like i say, those eight dummies in my book, they are wolves in sheeps clothes. That is what is the matter with washington. People that we elect in. Host lets hear from richard in kentucky. Caller every republican commentator on radio and television across fox news and everything are pulling their hair out and screaming bloody murder because this swamp creature, Kevin Mccarthy, was removed on a brilliant move by matt gaetz who told him we are going to give you a chance. After five votes, he got to go in. Matt gaetz and the rest of the Freedom Caucus told him we are going to give you one chance to get this right. He went behind their backs. Good riddance. Lets just see what happens from here on out. Host how do you think they will resolve the issue . Caller theyve got a pro tem. They are not going to steal the bank. They are going to make sure they have a vote next week. We will go through another 5, 6, 7 votes and someone will be picked to be speaker of the house. It is going to be ok. Host do you think they will be held hostage by the eight people who voted to oust mccarthy . Caller absolutely. They are going to make them toe the line like they were elected to do. I am behind them 100 . Host lets hear from jerry in michigan, independent line. I think down with mccarthy is a note to mccarthyism. It was wrong in the 1950s and it is wrong for america now. It is the end of the young guns era. I also see a lot of fun dense are noticing there is really no parallel to this Freedom Caucus on the left. It is not because pelosi placated the left wing in the party with progressive policies. There is a bunch of go along to get along. The only bipartisan agreement is on war. Think about ok zero cortez a cause you cortez ocasio cortez. It is pathetic for the Progressive Movement because matt gaetz showed them up on be antiwar. Host how do republicans resolve the issues brought up by matt gaetz . Do you think they are capable of doing so now . Caller the goal of matt gaetz was to move the Republican Party right and it seems like he is doing that. The progressives could have taken a page out of his book but they are more interested in their careers. Host we will continue with your calls taking a look at the events of yesterday concerning the ouster of Kevin Mccarthy as speaker of the house. 202 7488001 for republicans. 202 7488000 for democrats and independents. An independent and independents, independents, 202 7488002. All the republicans who voted to oust Kevin Mccarthy yesterday were hardline conservatives except one, a republican of South Carolina, who says mccarthy has broken his word on taking up legislation related to womens issues and Community Safety as well as on budget issues. She elaborated on the steps of the capitol yesterday. I have been fighting for womens rights since before i can to congress. I continue that fight. I have made deals with Kevin Mccarthy that he has not cap to help women in this country. We have done nothing for them. I come from South Carolina. When you make a promise and you do not keep it, there are consequences to those actions. As a woman who is deciding on this issue and we do not do it and now we are 10 months in i do not have time to do it or as a survivor of rape and i worked all year on a rape kit bill that has not seen the time of day, i cannot tell you how frustrating that is as a woman in this conference, in this capital met to have that happen. If you make a promise, you should keep it. If you promise women youre going to help them, you better do it. As a fiscal conservative, i am angry. As a woman, i am deeply frustrated. That is the consequence for that behavior. I want the American People to trust the speaker. When the speaker makes a promise, they ought to keep it. It is not left versus right. We are not going to agree on everything. We are going to have disagreements. We are all adults here. We can have that debate. Some sides will win. Sometimes we will lose. That debate is not worth misleading people on both sides of the aisle. It is not ideological. It is about having a leader in our nation who will tell the truth and who you can trust. That is what the American People deserve. How did you weigh that against other risks . The house is going to be in chaos if this did not happen. I am looking for a leader who will tell the truth to the American People. We are a deeply divided nation, a deeply divided capital right now. We need people who are going to tell the truth and who the American People can trust. For me, it is about trust. Host representative nancy mace on the house steps yesterday. A lot of reaction in and around capitol hill. Find that at our website. You can also follow along on the app. Donna in north carolina, democrat line. Caller good morning and thank you for having me. I watched this nonsense yesterday. Our government is being degraded starting with the crazies in the Republican Party. They do not want america as we have been for hundreds of years. They want dictatorship. They want a convicted man that is a rapist host hold on. We are talking about the events of yesterday concerning Speaker Mccarthy. Stick to that. Had it not caller had it not been for donald trump talking to matt gaetz, we would not have seen the outcome yesterday. I do not care for Kevin Mccarthy, but i deeply do not care for matt gaetz. For someone to get on the internet and promote what he did yesterday and beg for money, all of the crazies for their own personal gain. You are not representing anything that constitutes the beliefs of our american soldiers, our veterans and our Senior Citizens, our teachers and our children, and our bluecollar workers. If you are a republican and you are seeing this, you need to vote matt gaetz they need to bring that on. You want to indict joe biden for being president because his son was addicted . Get real. Host ohio, independent line, go ahead. Im glad matt gaetz did this. I have a bias. I wanted to see Byron Donalds as speaker from the getgo. I think he would have been a little stronger and shutting down the government until the border is closed. Everything needs to come to a halt until the border is closed. It is all about border. It is just weird. Host why do you think this was the place to make a border stance, so to speak, when it comes to what has been going on the last couple weeks . Caller it is the most important issue facing the country right now. I think it needs to be shut down. I do not care if the country falls apart because it is going to fall apart if they keep the border open anyway. Close the border. Host susie in north carolina, republican line. Caller yes. I do not have just a few words to say. What i need to say is you heard the saying the devil is in the church. The devil is in the white house. He is in the house. Host how does that relate go ahead. Caller Kevin Mccarthy was doing the best he could do with what he had to do with. Matt gaetz is the devil. Matt gaetz needs to be ousted and then maybe the republicans can get something done. He was against mccarthy from the beginning. He said in the beginning that he was going to do his best to get him out. That is all i have to say. Host axios reporting after rep. Mccarthy was removed as speaker , some lawmakers are suggesting ways to work across the aisle to lift congress out of the abyss. It says many republicans are worried that the right flank will not allow the conference to unify behind any choice, meaning the bipartisan option remains a critical backstop. Any one member can bring a motion to vacate, meaning a small group of hardliners holds an effective veto over any choice. My advice is to stick it to the democrats, said one moderate. Several republicans say they want to change the rules around motions to vacate, although it takes more than one member to introduce them. I would recommend a more bipartisan way forward. That is a republican of nebraska. He said, we need to make rule changes. We need to make these eight mccarthy rebels relevant. So you can see that and possibly look for that playing out in the halls of the house in the next few weeks as the work of choosing the next speaker goes into effect. Harold in d. C. , democrats line. Caller greetings. I enjoy listening to cspan. You guys are doing an awesome job. I want to make a couple quick comments. I do not understand about that. We have to really look at the pomp and circumstance of what happened yesterday. The honorable Kevin Mccarthy with the great state of vermont. We have to realize what our terms are, the culture around Barack Hussein obama, whose anniversary was yesterday. Host lets stick to the removal yesterday. What did you think specifically about that . Caller he is from california, sorry. What i wanted to echo was about the shutdown. That was the main reason why he was ousted, but i feel the republicans are reshuffling the cards. He is still in power, still in the office, but he is not the speaker. Host he is not the speaker and he is not in the office. Caller lets be honest. In terms of different overrides and interests of the interest is always the people of politics who gets what, when, and how. I feel the reason they came after him was he wanted to make it so the government was not shut down. Lets be crystal clear. When we tried to get into power come as though you are a speaker, you are a talking head ma puppets no. He was a very honest guy and he related a lot of that nancy pelosi relegated. I believe this comment i am making is so true that in the next analysis who will be the next president . Host that is of viewer in washington, d. C. Some of you posting quit saying as spineless as mccarthy was, the next year and a half will be chaos. Republican house members will be more than willing to crash the car and blame everyone else. A Government Shutdown in november is likely and that is just the beginning. Unfortunately, this is the beginning of the end. We will see a divide in the gop Going Forward that will lead to the loss of the white house. Don simmons saying i did not think they would pull it off but he only has himself to blame. And no surprise, republicans have proven they are not fit to govern. They will selfdestruct and try to take the country with them. Go to facebook if you want to post their. You can make your thoughts on x also and text us at 202 7488003. In tennessee, independent line. Caller i am an independent. A lot of people have been talking about these aspects of a failing civilization. Currency devaluation, biden has corrupted allegiance, we have not won a war in 75 years. Our border is wide open. What im talking about is there is not really a meaningful difference in these parties. The republicans and democrats are essentially the same thing. They are owned by the lobbyists. Host to the events of yesterday, please. What are your thoughts on that . Caller my thoughts on that is Going Forward when you say we want to work across the aisle, that means when you say we have to get government funded him a that is because the government is doing things they never should have done. It is not constitutional. When callers call in, they should say, i am a republican, a net debt a net taker from the treasury. It makes a difference on these continuing resolutions and the omnibus if you are a net taker of course you want the government open. If you are a net producer, it is possible you want to shut this thing down before civilization and the empire is over. Host marshall is next in tennessee, republican line. Caller can you hear me . I applaud mr. Gates gaetz for what he did yesterday. The American People are strapped right now. They have to decide whether to put gas in our cars or food on our tables. We have a government that spent aliens of our dollars to other countries to help them in their wars, to build to their hotels. We have for the last several decades kicked the can down the road. We are trillion dollars in debt. We are looking at Social Security bankrupt and less than 10 years. Host for all those things you said, how does yesterday resolve that . Caller i believe if we can put someone in power first, matt gaetz made a stand because that is what they are looking for out of mr. Mccarthy but if we can put someone in who will hold congress cool hold washingtons feet to the fire and say no more while we are suffering here in america, look out for Americans First that is what the American People need. We need representation in washington. Host marshall in nashville, tennessee giving us a call. You are welcome to do the same. As we have been telling you, all the democrats in the house of representatives voting to oust Kevin Mccarthy as speaker of the house. Just before the event happened on the house floor, it was the House Minority leader, he came Jeffries Hakeem jeffries, talking to reporters. [video clip] House Democrats are going to continue to put people over politics. And to fight to make life better for everyday americans. From the beginning, that has been our objective. It will continue to be our soul focus, delivering for the American People. We encourage our republican colleagues, who claim to be more traditional, to break from the extremists. End the chaos and dysfunction and extremism. We are ready, willing, and able to Work Together with our republican colleagues. It is on them to join us to move the congress and country forward. Host the Washington Post said if democrats were too it would have been out of the rapport they had with him. Instead, democrats said the mccarthy they knew and liked from his days about a decade ago when he held a junior gop leadership post had become unrecognizable compared with the man who gave into so many far right demands. Lets hear from isaac in texas, democrat line. Thank you for having me this morning. We have seen nothing like this in our history. Kevin mccarthy stepped down in this manner, was not really expected when he first came to power. To see him go out is i have mixed feelings as a democrat. The institution of the house of representatives is important to the American People, important to have stability within that institution above all others. I think mccarthy did an honorable thing making sure the government did not shut down. I also think it is sort of sketchy on the part of matt gaetz and that small group of republicans to take advantage of the deal he cut with democrats. By cutting a deal with the democrats to get rid of mccarthy. It is not really in my opinion, as a democrat, to see something as cutthroat as this from our own party meant to be honest with you. We worked with mccarthy to make sure the government does not shut down, which i believe is a win for the American People, and they also cut a deal with matt gaetz to get rid of mccarthy. Host what is the deal that was supposedly cut . Caller if im not mistaken, the to accredited vote to get rid of Kevin Mccarthy. Host they all did. Caller and they also voted they worked with mccarthy to make sure the government did not shut down. Host he went to democratic help to pass a shortterm resolution. Caller that is right. That is the case. I think that does not happen often. When we get to have our key and eat it too, per se. It is unprecedented and i think Going Forward it will be fascinating to find out who the republicans choose because this last run with mccarthy was on eggshells the whole time. It was a house of cards to begin with. He did not have the sort of deal that nancy pelosi got as speaker, so this next speaker is going to have to be someone who is going to be able to coalesce a party that includes characters like matt gaetz and so on. Host that is isaac in texas. Washington journal has this factoid i found online, saying nine months might not seem a long time but mccarthy is no theodore pomeroy. He has the distinction as serving as the least time of speaker of the house in 1869. Another way in which the two are different, according to an official history of the house, he was wellliked by representatives from both parties and also elected unanimously. In maryland, independent line. Caller hello. Thank you. I have been watching cspan. In my opinion, i feel this whole thing about Republican Party is just a ruse. They are in the business of getting Kevin Mccarthy in a speaker. He does not care if he is taken out or not. Once he leaves, they will get someone else in to do the same thing and turn around and blame the democrats for it. That is my take about this whole thing. Paul in arizona, go ahead. Caller what we got back there is a real catfight to me and they dont know what they are doing. Mccarthy started wining about Hillary Clinton and admitted he stood up and lied only to change numbers. Now it has caught up with him. You cannot just live and lie constantly. As far as that guy in tennessee on the text to the government and he is an independent and says he gives more than he takes, tennessee is the most dependent state on federal welfare out of 50 states in the country. Host you brought up Kevin Mccarthy lying in mentioned benghazi. How do you think he lied recently as far as leading to his ouster . What would you cite there . Caller was he opening his mouth . He lies constantly. He should have never been speaker in the first place. Look at the deals he had to make. He is hanging by a thread of one vote, matt gaetz . Who in their right mind in their political career would make a deal like that . Host tony is next in atlanta, georgia, independent line. Caller it was a good move to remove mccarthy because the country did not need a flipflop or in line for the presidency. And hypothetically if biden passed and something happened to kamala, we would have a problem. The Republican Party needs to be more thoughtful about who they pick as leader. Host specifically, what was wrong with his leadership . What is an example you would cite . Caller his character, speaking lies to both sides. We as a country do not need lawyers. We need leaders. That is the issue. Liars kill the country. Host mary in florida, republican line. Caller hello. I think what matt gaetz and those seven others did was terrible for this country. He is a fool. There is no reason for what happened. Kevin mccarthy was only in for less than a year. He passed a lot of bills, a lot of bills. This country is going downhill very fast. The leader that i do not call a president is not american. Host matt gaetz wanted more from Kevin Mccarthy when it comes to the issue of spending, debt, border security. What was wrong with that on his part . Caller Kevin Mccarthy was doing all of that. This border, the economy, everything was so bad. Matt gaetz and seven fools made more of a circus of this country than what it already has been within the past two years. There was no reason for this person to have done this, no reason at all. Host this is steve in tampa, democrats line. Caller thanks for taking my call. I love cspan. My biggest i cannot hear you. Host just go ahead with your comment. Caller ok. I wanted to say looks to me like the mega republicans and the normal republicans are having a civil war and why they want to drag democrats in like we have done something it looks to me like you have the maga republicans that support Vladimir Putin and do not support ukraine. When you say i support ukraine but mother is a problem. We support democracy or we do not. But host one more call, in florida, independent line. Caller i have one comment. Not one democrat voted to keep mccarthy. When they say they want to work with republicans, they live. They just wanted to cause chaos for the republicans, so they are not really for the people when they do Something Like this. Host that is rich in florida, finishing off hearing from you about the ouster of Kevin Mccarthy yesterday on the house floor. You can see the debate that led up to the vote on our website at cspan. Org. Go to our app at cspan now if you want to see that play out. We will have later on discussions about yesterdays event, but next Supreme Court justices are back on the bench this week for a new term. Bloomberg reporter greg stohr joins us for the top cases to watch, including cases of gun rights and social media regulation, then two legislators join us during the course of the morning, a member of the florida Affairs Committee and then congressman buddy carter of georgia. 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Guest we do not have any blockbuster cases like the Abortion Case but there are a lot of hot button social issues that are at the core are likely to be there, including a gun case, potential Abortion Case, there may be a transgendered right case and then there are cases about structure government perhaps more wonky but very important for the power of administrative agencies in washington. Host with the cases to be considered, do you write a lot of these cases come from the fifth Circuit Court of appeals. Can you explain what the court is and why some of these cases appear . Guest this is a federal Appeals Court that oversees texas, louisiana, and mississippi. It is the most conservative Appeals Court in country. Conservative like this bio case there there any fifth circuit issued a number of rulings that go beyond our more conservative than the Supreme Court has yet allowed. That includes the gun case i am sure will be talking about. One of the questions of this term is does this conservative Supreme Court want to go as far as the fifth circuit. Host our guest with us for the half hour if you want to ask about these cases we heard. You can do that at 202 7488001 four republicans. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. You brought up guns and if domestic abusers can on them. Guest go back a couple terms, the Supreme Court upholds says theres a constitutional right to carry a weapon in public. The court in the case set up a tough new test for gun regulation saying you have to have historical analog. Look at history and tradition and if we cannot find something in 1789 or around the end of expect regulation were looking at today, it is unconstitutional. With that as the backdrop, the fifth circuit took up this case involving the federal law that says if you are subject to Domestic Violence restraining order, you can lose your gun rights and a man was prevented from owning a firearm. He subsequently was involved in of this allegedly several shootings, the and his girlfriend threatened his girlfriend, physically abuse her and to suffer an ink a number of women and the question is whether he retains his Second Amendment right is threatening to abuse another woman and the question is whether he retains his Second Amendment right. Host what is the biden of case in the matter . Guest the history and tradition test does not require to define the exact thing that when you go back and look at the history. In 1789 we were talking about the messick abuser and it does not have to be detest here. They say it is a case where we have individual lies finding. A judge found this person was dangerous and in that context Second Amendment does not let him go out and get a weapon and potentially use it to get someone else. Host go back to 2022 record took action on Second Amendment standalone the court took action on Second Amendment standalone. Guest if they are going to state no this man does not have Second Amendment right, will have to do with the test they set up in 2022. Theyre going to have to explain why finding an exact historical analog is not always the test. Theyre going to have to provide more flexibility for governments and setting up gun restrictions. If not, it is hard to see how any gun restriction, of any significance, is going to survive Second Amendment reviewed with this court. Host that is why the case is to be considered. One of the other cases came from the result of the obama administration, Consumer Financial protection bureau. Being consider on is on with operation, particularly its funding. Guest this was a case argued just yesterday. The question a case of the fifth circuit and fifth circuit said the way the cfp gets its funding is unconstitutional. Draws the money from Federal Reserve and not subject to yeartoyear aggression appropriation so it would have been subject to the Government Shutdown had that happen. The cfpb is an agency set up after 2008 financial crisis regulates mortgages, home loans, Consumer Products and conservatives have long set is unaccountable. Has too much power. The question is whether the Supreme Court will try to grow back cfpb in this way. The argument yesterday suggests they were skeptical of the argument that funding mechanism is unconstitutional. Host there is reporting justices had questions coming from the lawyer representing challengers. Guest even Justice Thomas, Justice Kavanaugh, some of the conservative justices were questioning whether this agency whether it be cfpb was any different from other agencies, including the customs service, set up at the time of the founding, how they get their funding. Secondly, Justice Thomas had asked the question he said you may be right this is something new and different, but even so, what is the constitutional problem . You give us a constitutional argument. The argument that misappropriation clause somehow limits Congress Discussion setting up an agency did not sound that there was a whole lot of support for that argument. Host on the topic of Regulatory Power, give us a legal one on one, a case taking a look at the topic known as chevron deference, implications there. What is it . How does it apply to at the justices will hear . Guest chevron deference is this doctrine established in 1984 by the Supreme Court. It goes to the question of who gets to interpret the primary role in interpreting statutes. In the chevron case, the court says if an agencys interpret ambiguous term in the statue, if it is reasonable, we the court will defer to the agency. When it happened conservatives like that were building because they liked what agencies were doing and liberals did not like it. Now things have flipped. Conservatives arent unhappy with the chevron doctrine. Liberals want to defend it. The court is considering abolishing that doctrine, returning that. Is a case that arises out of rules in new jersey, this may be that the conservatives who have been after the chevron doctrine may say to themselves, it not doing work here. We have limited it so we do not need to overturn it. But certainly this is the court that is skeptical of the power of the administrative agencies, so one would expect they narrow the chevron doctrine even more. Host will in ohio on the line for independents. Youre on with greg stohr talking about the upcoming Supreme Court term. Caller thank you, mr. Stohr. On the cfpb case, are there other Government Agencies funded like the cfpb . If that funding mechanism is overturned, what will happen to the cfpb . Also, when can we expect and decision . A decision . Guest much of the argument was about whether the cfpb is like any other agencies. A lot of the liberal and conservative justices were saying you cannot distinguish the cfpb from the Federal Reserve. It is basically the same. The Federal Reserve also is not subject to yearbyyear congressional appropriations. To get this money from Federal Reserve banks it gets its money from Federal Reserve banks. Join that line challengers to the cfpb urged the court to do that make it an only rolling but it is not seem like the court sees a way to do that. By the administration has argued that the ruling by the fifth circuit has passed a legal cloud over everything the cfpb has done since its inception. The case is nearly just about payday lending rule that has not been enforced because the fifth circuit said the cfpb operating illegally this whole time, other defendants have raised this issue in pending cases. There are questions about how it might apply to pass cases and pass roles. From the argument did not seem like the Supreme Court was interested in going there at all so we would not see that disruption. Host again, greg stohr is our guests. Democrats, 202 7488000. Republicans, 202 7488001. Republicans, 202 7488001. Independents, 202 7488002. You probably seen the polling and Clarity Trust in the Supreme Court. How does it factor into the perception of the court, how justices viewed their work. Guest the perception of the court is not good right now. Whether that matters to the justices is a bit harder to say, it probably matters to some of them rather than others. That said, the efforts, controversies the past year do weight on the court. They are very cognizant of that. There are some suggestions they might be changing how they operate in public a little bit. Maybe there is less willingness to do some things they might have done otherwise. It is certainly in the back of the minds all the time. Host Justice Thomas coming into the low light because of the propublica pieces. As far as someone who watches the court, what do you think about the way they do things to get they talk about these things . Do you get a sense they care . Guest my sense is they cannot avoid talking about it, at least a little bit. There certainly Justice Kavanaugh has said clearly they are working on some sort of code of conduct or something along those lines. Justice kavanaugh suggested he is hopefully to come up with something soon. Theyre talking about it at least on that level. Some of these stories, it is hard to say how much they talk about the stories of Justice Thomas. The interviews Justice Alito has given to the wall street journal. There are very aware of those. No doubt some of those topics are awkward for them to talk about. It is a bit of a challenge for them to just focus on their work without letting all that be a distraction. Host it was Justice Kagan recently in an interview talks about the potential for that code of ethics. Going to play on little bit about what she had to say. [video clip] we are in a situation where we have committed to following certain kinds of ethical rules, respecting judges, but have said you only be guided by others. We have committed to following the gift roles the other judges follow rules that other judges follow an outside income that other judges follow but other judges havent extensive code of ethics that governs everything they do and there has been concern and i think is a legitimate concern that the Supreme Court is an unusual kind of court in certain respects and some of the rules do not fit as well at the Supreme Court level then they do at the level of lower courts. But, of course, what we could do is adapt the code of conduct that the other Court Systems have to reflect those slight or certain differences. I think it will be a good thing for the court to do that. It would help in our own compliance with the rules. It would i think go far as persuading other people we were adhering to the highest standards of conduct. Host does chief justice has interest of playing that kind of template other justice have to start under to the Supreme Court . Guest he has an interest in it. He is not a said that much. He has put out when they declined to testify before the Senate Judiciary committee, he put out the statement of symbols and practices that all principles and practices all justices sign it. He has made brief comments talking about the importance of ethics. He is somebody who has always cared deeply about the institutional standards of the court. That is something not everybody agrees with in terms of how he thinks about it is important for the court, but the courts reputation, the respect the court gets around the country, the that is always been high on the list of priorities and cannot be lost on him coming out with some code of conduct that seems like the court get there are legitimate issues here about gifts and disclosures and things like that. Will go a long way to at least being First Step Towards regaining some of that confidence. Host joe in virginia. Republican line. Caller thanks for taking my call. Thank you for your guest. I have a legal question concerning former president donald trump. This is question i think a lot of americans have come especially trump supporters. My legal question is this. With all the misinformation and all the slander, i will give you four examples. Dirty dossier that turned out to be paid for by democrat and holy clint Hillary Clinton. The Mueller Report were he was cleared to create the new charges that seem to be ridiculous, over property values. What is Donald Trumps Legal Recourse is the actually filing personal lawsuits against these people, government and a former government officials, who have lied in public to smear him . I want to know if he has a Legal Recourse to sue people for slander or defamation because if he does, why do you think he has not done so yet . Guest that is probably a little outside area of coverage. I covered the Supreme Court. The caller made allegations there. People would disagree with, certainly donald trump has said he will file a lot of lawsuits and then not file them. My own observation of the president had a strong legal case on any of those things, he is not afraid to file a lawsuit. None of what i heard there has made it up to the Supreme Court in any way shape or form. When cases involving donald trump, not as president , but as an individual, have made it up to the Supreme Court, he has not fared very well. The court has ejected his arguments. Not exact arguments the caller is bringing up, but at least for the Supreme Court standpoint, a lot of the times Donald Trumps arguments do not hold a lot of water. Host back to an january 6. We saw Justice Thomas recuse himself concerning a case about that. Is there a the initial report came back of what he did it . Guest Justice Thomas did not give an extra nation. Explanation. The case was an appeal filed for somebody who was a lawyer to President Trump during the time a january 6. Has been indicted in the georgia case. Hes also former law clerk to clarence thomas. This case did not have any particle sticks but stemmed from the House Committee looking to january 6 and their efforts to get his emails which they already gotten. The emails according to political report a year ago referred to Justice Thomas in efforts to use him to appeal to him to try to overturn the election results. There are some factors in there including the fact that his former clerk and potential reference there that might explain why Justice Thomas recuse in this case it is not recuse in other cases stemming from the election in january 6. Host joe in maryland. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. I just wanted to comment from a citizens perspective and try to be as honest as possible. People call in and defending donald trump and everything he has done. He asked the gentleman a question. The question was how this he have a recourse. He has a recourse but everything he was accused of has been proven. It is factual. People calling in defending trying to turn it around, i do not know where they get their news source from. Host you are on with our guest. We are talking to the Supreme Court about the Supreme Court. Caller the Supreme Court done what they need to do. They do the right thing by the constitution, as far as honesty is concerned, this summit and the Supreme Court has no problem gentleman and the Supreme Court has no problem. Host we saw history made with Supreme Court overturning roe v. Wade but when it comes to matters of abortion, to see any other cases on that front . Guest there is an uphill the the Biden Administration has failed which the court will probably take up having to do with mifepristone, the abortion pill. That came up to the Supreme Court on emergency basis a few months ago and the court said that pill remain fully available, while litigation goes forward. Legal fight is basically and abortion advocates arguing that the fda gave short Scientific Evidence of dangerousness when it approved the drug and when expanded access. At this point the fight is about the expanded access. The fifth circuit said the fda, it blocked the rules that allowed the pill to be mailed so people do not have to go in person visit to a doctor and that allowed use beyond up until the 10th week of pregnancy. The Biden Administration has appealed that the Supreme Court. We have find out whether the court will take that case. For now it remains available at least until the Supreme Court deal with the appeal. Host marcus arndt was it could one concern was a kid go to the fda and Regulatory Power and impact. Is that still a concern . Guest it is a concern for supporters among the fda. This unusual case where the federal Court Essentially secondguess scientific judgment of the fda. Said it did not give enough treatise of the arguments credence to the arguments that the drug was dangerous. Concern is if a court can do that, it can do that with all manner of drugs the fda has approved. Host one of the topics debated on capitol hill frequently is social media and it looks like the justice may have to take a look at a couple cases concerning that. From texas and florida. Guest there is that bucket and another bucket. Texas and florida laws both conservatives run states would restrict the discretion of social Media Companies when they say take down misinformation. The texas law requires them to be social Media Companies have to be cannot engage in viewpoint termination. They cannot take down the ideas. The idea they have taken down to many conservative post. Florida law has not the provision, one requiring a detail extra nation for every time they take down a post explanation for every time they take down a post. Supreme court has agreed to take of both cases. Federal appeal court split. Another potential case with you here about having to do with the Biden Administrations contact with social Media Companies. The fifth circuit with the by the administration can do in the case stemming of covid misinformation. We could have several social media cases this term. Host claire. Independent line. Caller hello. Soon as possible, it is truly political. Host do you have a question about the Supreme Court . Caller do i have a question about the Supreme Court . Host yes, our guest deals with the Supreme Court. Caller i think theyre doing just fine the way we are. Host all right. One of the papers highlights of the headline a headline dealing with the americans with disability acts. What is the impact . Guest it is a case being argued today and it has to do with socalled tester standing. The question is whether somebody who probably is not going to go to a hotel, can go to their website and say Hotels Website and say they may not have complied with the ada to provide certain information about access to make sure suitable access for people to use the hotel. The question is whether it somewhat like that can file a lawsuit. The advocates being able to sue saying if they cannot come admix it tougher it makes it tou ghter for tougher for us to force enforce it. Host mike the democrat line. Caller do we have anything on the docket regarding elections and how they are conducted, politically since we have had so much controversy with whether the election was stolen, whether the electronic machines can be programmed to deceive . Do we have anything on the docket concerning how we go about our elections . Anything there to try to resolve the controversies . Because it seems that it has been a lot of energy wasted on this issue. We did not have these problems back in the 1960s and 1970s. We have anything to look forward to with the Supreme Court . Any case or controversy that is on the docket for that . Guest so, there is nothing yet with regards to how we come to vote, the questions of machines and the like. It is early and we have an election next year so would not be surprised if something crops up. There is one election case that is a bit different, very important. Another edition case out of socket redrisrictng case at South Carolina. Whether they needed to create a second majority black district in alabama. The Supreme Court essentially said yes, and that had to do with the Voting Rights act. This is the case having to do with equal protection clause and the argument is that South Carolina republicans when they drew their districts, took race into account too much. They intentionally cap particular district at a number of africanamericans voters and even though the Supreme Court has even though the Supreme Court has said that lawmakers have a free hand to gerrymander for political reasons, they still cannot do it for racial reasons. That is the South Carolina case the court will be considering next week. Host our guests work can be found up bird. Com. 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Current Nonfiction Book releases , plus bestseller list, as well as Industry News and trends through insider interviews. Can find out about x on cspan now, our free mobile app, or wherever you get podcasts. Washington journal continues. Host u. S. Capitol, or yesterday eight republicans joined democrats to oust Speaker Mccarthy from the position. To talk about that another issues related to the functioning of government, representative ami bera, he is a member of the foreign Affairs Committee, serves for the sixth district. Guest thanks for having me on. Host how did you vote yesterday and why did you do it . Guest i voted with all of the other democrats. Frankly, yesterday was a sad day. We have never been in this place in our nations history. Now we dont have a speaker of the house. At the end of the day it was up to Speaker Mccarthy to come to democrats to say, im going to need some help here. In his own words he said he was not going to work with democrats. I dont know what to say here. Host mean, it is should have, could have, would have, but what could have been said to democrats to gain support . Guest i think he saw what happened on saturday to avoid a Government Shutdown, and democrats and republicans came together, with a speaker put a bill on the floor we could all support. I thought after saturdays vote to avoid the shutdown that the speaker would reach out to all of us expected matt gaetz to bring this motion to vacate. We also suspected he did not have enough support in his own caucus. I would have expected that he reach out to leader Hakeem Jeffries on our side and say, what is a deal we could get to keep government moving forward, to keep the house with a speaker . My understanding is, while they did communicate the speaker never asked for support, never negotiated with him. Host in the search for the next speaker what do you think the role that when your fellow democrats will play as far as that election is concerned . Guest right now if you look at the debate that took place on the house yesterday before the motion to vacate it was a fight within the Republican Party. It was conservative republicans fighting with extreme republicans. I think theyve got to get their house in order. If they cannot come together around a single speaker i would encourage Patrick Mchenry, who is a decent guy, is someone i think a lot of us respect, i would tell him to reach out to leader jeffries and see if there is a way for us to come together and maybe cut a deal and get back to regular functioning. Host could you elaborate your thinking on that . Guest i think we would all like to write real Appropriations Bills. We would like to honor the debt ceiling deal that Speaker Mccarthy exSpeaker Mccarthy now, negotiated with President Biden. That is what the senate is going to do. You are watching the senate operate in a bipartisan way. At the end of the day in a divided congress, where the house has a republican majority, youre going to have to negotiate. So why not start the process there . Maybe you look at some democrats that are supporting a republican speaker. Host our guest with thousand 10 9 00. If you want to ask him a question concerning yesterday or other things, 202 7488001 for republicans. 202 7488000 for democrats. Independents, 202 7488002. Could you give us a sense of what happened in congress now that it is in flux as far as the speakership is concerned . Guest i would have expected we would be here today trying to vote to fill that speakership, because, again, having no speaker of the house is a dangerous precedent. The speaker is third in line to the presidency should anything happen. Again, the speaker pro tem, my understanding, cannot fill that position. That said, they have decided to have a recess until it sounds like tuesday, where the republicans will do a candidate forum. We will be back in session tuesday night, i believe. Hopefully we will have a speaker vote on wednesday. Host you are on foreign affairs. One thing that has been at the center of the debate concerning Speaker Mccarthy, or former Speaker Mccarthy, was ukraine funding. Does that stand . Guest i think we have it is important in our National Security to support ukraine. They are fighting the good fight here. This is about democracy, freedom. It is about standing up to the unprecedented invasion by russia into a sovereign nation, ukraine. I think most of us, including republicans, feel like we should support ukraine. For the life of me on not sure why Speaker Mccarthy would not exSpeaker Mccarthy, not put that bill on the floor. I think you would pass a vote for ukrainian funding in a bipartisan way. Host should it be a single bill or should it be attached to something . What is the best way forward on that . Guest either one would be fine with us. A single bill is going to get over 300 votes. So, the majority of democrats and i think you will get over 100 republicans. It should pass the senate as well. Either one would be fine. Host there is a story in the wall street journal this morning that says the u. S. Funding system for ukrainian salary and key government expenditure is expected to run out next month. It pays the salaries of 150,000 Civil Servants in ukraine, more than half a million teachers, and so on. What case would you make that this is good spending by the u. S. Government . Guest i think supporting Ukrainian Defense is good spending, allowing the ukrainians to defend their own sovereignty, standing up to the illegal invasion by Vladimir Putin. I think that is good for democracy around the world. Again, we are standing with our nato allies and others. I think it is important, it is not just about ukraine. It is also about our National Security. Host it was the republicans that made the case that while debate on ukraine was going on an even more robust debate should have happened on border security. What do you think of those claims from republicans about what they wanted to see happen on the border . Guest i think we are open to debating the border security. I dont know that a wall is the best way to defend the border, but we could do technology. We could certainly use more order patrol agents and things. Should also pair that with real immigration reform. That is never easy, but i think you would find a lot of democrats willing to work with moderate republicans to try to get something done to secure our border but also address rumors and folks who are here that want to work. Host representative ami bera joining us for this discussion. He is a member of the intelligence and foreign Affairs Committees. Our first call comes from james in new york. You are on with our guest. Go ahead. Caller good morning, gentlemen. I had a question about the bill of rights. And how well we are working with those. If our next president comes into power and then writes an executive order that mimics the first four of the bill of rights are courts going to be allowed to touch them as they are doing right now . They are kind of acting like privileges when they are supposed to be rights given by god. Is it possible . Guest thanks for your question, james. I think the bill of rights is sacred. You know, it is there as it is there at the founding of our country. I would not want to see any president changing our rights. That defines who we are. I think that would be unprecedented, for a president to change our bill of rights. Host jim in florida. Republican line. Go ahead. Caller good money. I have a question i have a statement first, then a question. Hakeem jeffries stood up and talked about the democrats voting for the people. Let me just say this. He talks about extreme maggot maga republicans, yet yesterday everyone of you voters voted with the extreme maga republicans to remove a conservative congressman, mr. Mccarthy, from his position. That to me tells me that he Hakeem Jeffries just stood there he stood there and told boldface lies, and you are lying as well. I would like to hear from you why every democrat decided to side with the maga republicans. I will listen offline. Thanks. Guest again, a lot of us were waiting for Speaker Mccarthy to ask for our vote. He made no attempt to ask for our votes. In his own words, in his own interviews on television, he said he was not going to ask democrats for support. In this business you have to solicit votes and pocket votes and negotiate. That is what i fully expected exSpeaker Mccarthy to do. He showed no inclination to do that and did not build any trust. When that boat came up we were not there for him. When that vote came up we were not there for him. Host how much of a relationship did you have what the former speaker . Guest not a ton. Likable individual, very personable. Never really thought of as a big policy guide. Once the house to function. The only way it is going to function is if you get moderate democrats, moderate republicans coming together in a bipartisan way. That is what happens in divided government. I dont like that we are where we are today without a speaker. I certainly hope whoever the next speaker is can help heal this institution and bring this together. It is going to be necessary for democrats and republicans to Work Together. Host it was pro tem Patrick Mchenry yesterday say democrats will vote with a handful of republicans going after the speaker, but they have to be mindful that this sets a precedent. How do you respond to that . Guest i dont disagree. In january when you sell those 15, 16 speaker votes and they were discussing changing the rules to allow any one person to do a motion to vacate the chair, he warned them that this is exactly what we were afraid might happen. There was a reason why we changed that threshold to 50 individuals. Because we wanted to protect the ms dictation. I think Kevin Mccarthy in his desperation to get the speakership really weakened the institution. I think we would love to work with Patrick Mchenry or whoever the next speaker is to institute a rules package that protects the institution that changes that motion to vacate to a different threshold so i guy like matt gaetz cannot just provoke chaos. Host sacramento, california. That is one of the cities that our guest represents. Rhonda on our independent line. Caller thank you, pedro. Hello, representative bera. This is rhonda from the fulsome. I wrote you a letter about our border crisis. And when you are speaking with pedro just a few minutes ago you mentioned that you are all for supporting ukraine. Well, what about our own borders . Just on the news yesterday with the day before they showed busloads flooding into los angeles now. What is your position about our border crisis, and then in lieu of our funding of ukraine . I have written you letters, sir, and you have invited me to come to your open symposiums. Here in fulsome we have not seen you. Can you please give me your position . Because the election is coming up and i voted for you in every election. Now that i am an independent i want to hear your position strongly about attracting our borders. Host ok. Thanks, rhonda. Guest i do think we have an urgent situation on the border and we should protect the border. That could mean additional troops down there, or border agents. Certainly we have a backlog in some of the asylum cases. We need more judges down there. We should use technology to manage the border. That is also part of the fentanyl drug crisis we are seeing throughout this country right now. I am all for working with republicans to beef up our border security. At the same time there is no reason we also cant do our National Security by helping support the people of ukraine defend their own country. If we do not do this i think we will rule the day down the road. Host the Biden Administration had set forth an effort to look at the larger issues of migration, particularly when it comes to immigrants coming. Do you think it has been successful . Guest obviously we see this influx of folks coming to our southern border. This is going to be a longterm challenge. See massive food insecurity, water insecurity, poverty in the Central American nations that are driving folks up. A lot of venezuelans, see abject policy there poverty there. Those are longterm challenges. The immediate challenge is we do have to secure the border, because you do see a lot of migrants coming this way. But lets do it in a humane way and an understanding way. Host in florida, republican line. We will hear next from kurt. Caller good money. Thank you for taking my call. The question is a followup to the question you asked previously about the funding to the ukraine. Not only for the military, but also it covers pensions and salaries. Civil workers and things like that. You had a representative mccormick on who gave me an eyeopener answer to that question. He said you have to Fund Pensions and civil employees and that type of thing, otherwise you will not have a government. If the government implodes you will not have a military. So of course you have to have that. There was a pretty good answer. I was just wondering if representative bera agrees by that assertion with that assertion . Guest that is part of the reason why you have to continue to support Civil Society there. So you can have a functioning government while they are at war. That is part of it. The one thing i have heard from some of my republican colleagues is about transparency. Knowing whether you knowing where the ukrainian funding is going. I think you would find a bunch of democrats willing to work with republicans, whether it was an independent Inspector General or some way to track the flows of weapons, money, etc. And that could be a compromise to get a single bill to the floor. Host i know that he is new to the position, but your impression of Patrick Mchenry as speaker pro tem . Guest Patrick Mchenry has always been a serious legislature legislator. Someone interested in policy. I would hope over the next few days all of the tensions, the heat in the room and the temperature gets ratcheted down. And then when we come back on tuesday or wednesday that we actually have a serious negotiation. Democrats and republicans working together to elect a speaker of the house. Let me be honest, we are not in the majority so i dont expect we are going to elect a democratic speaker. Again, lets elect a speaker that can actually run the whole house and take into account some democratic opinions as well. Host for yourself and not the other members of your conference, who was a republican you could support as speaker . Guest im going to think about coming you know, who is willing to come to our leader and say, we need to get this institution working again. We need to write a real budget, real budget bills. We got to do a farm bill. We have to reauthorize the faa. There is real work that needs to be done before the end of this calendar year. Whoever that is, and, you know, leader jeffries his life someone we can work with, here is someone we can work with, we will work with that. Host it only took eight votes to out the speaker. As far as the power they wield, what are your concerns . Guest my concern is that rule change that allowed matt gaetz to vacate the speakership needs to be changed. We should take that threshold where we had it was 50. If it is 20 or Something Like that. Just so we dont find ourselves a month down the road in this same situation. Host from georgia. This is on our independent line. We will hear from freddie. Caller yes, my question is, why is it that the democrats insist on continuing these war efforts in ukraine . We have issues here at home that require that same money. We are supporting a proxy war that is destroying that country. We are not really helping the country. We do not fund their Civil Service and the government falls. Here we are in our own country where we threaten to put our government on hold because the republicans and some democrats did not want to fund our own government. I think the congressman has priorities wrong on ukraine. Should be no more funding for ukraine, period. No more funding. Thank you. Guest so, our concern certainly on the foreign Affairs Committee , i was in ukraine two weeks before the russian invasion talking to their leadership, talking to president zelenskyy, understanding that we knew the russians were going to invade. This is the first big country war we have had since world war ii. It is the biggest war on the european continent. It is supporting the ukrainian people fighting and dying to protect their own country. If ukraine falls, there is a real big fear that this war spreads to other parts of europe and elsewhere. It also involves xi jinping and the Chinese Communist party, to perhaps invade taiwan. We cannot withdraw from the world. The world is a much safer place when the United States is leading with our partners. Im happy that the nato countries are finally stepping up to put in their own resources and other countries around the world. Japan, korea, etc. Are also putting resources into this fight. Again, we recognize this is more than just ukraine. It is about democracy. It is about freedom. That is why we feel so strongly about winning this war and defeating russia. Host representative bera, one of the spinoffs from the last couple of weeks is that the house was working on Appropriations Bills. What did you think of that actually happening . Guest i was hopeful that after saturday when we came together democrats and republicans, to give us 45 days to afford a Government Shutdown, that exSpeaker Mccarthy will come to us. I think that is one of the places we could negotiate. He had a deal that he negotiated with President Biden. It set top line numbers. The senate is using those numbers. We would like to use those numbers and let the appropriators right real Appropriations Bills that can pass the house, pass the senate, and get to the president s desk. He would be willing to negotiate there. Host in the areas of intelligence and foreign affairs, how would those numbers impact the things under those umbrellas . Guest a lot of the foreign operations, he would cut diplomacy, you would cut development, we would cut our leadership and ability to serve around the world. I think it would make america less safe, and i certainly see that from an Intelligence Committee perspective. There are a lot of threats to our country and we are at a crossroads. The world needs a strong america. We cannot do it by ourselves, so we have to do it with our partners and allies around the world. Host this is chris, alexandria, virginia. You are up next. Caller thank you for taking my call. Representative bera, thank you for being on cspan today. The reason why im calling is you were one of a few hundred privileged people to represent the appropriators in our house of congress and legislative branch. I do not think people realize how dangerous we are at going to war with russia. And i would like to know why you have continued to vote for billions of dollars to go to a corrupt country for a country we have no interest in . There is a chance we are going to get new. Get nuked. You said we have two pay for ukrainian bureaucrats. We have many more things to worry about then provoking russia into a nuclear war and supporting ukrainian bureaucrats. We can start with building the wall. I would love to hear your comments. Guest ukraine is not a perfect country. Certainly we are concerned about corruption. I talked to the Biden Administration about some of that. But the danger here is russia does not stop at ukraine, this war that we hope we can actually contain. And it is the ukrainians that are fighting this war to protect their country. Their own region. It is the democratic countries around the world that are banding together to help support ukraine, despite the european countries. We have seen this in the past in world war ii, the germans continued to advance. That is why we feel strongly about this. That said, we should have open debate on the house floor about that funding. We should finish that debate, and if they bring a single vote to the floor let us vote on it. Democrats and republicans. If it gets voted down, that is greater will of the houses. Host randall in north dakota, democrats line. Caller hello. Good morning, mr. Bera. I am retired. I worked in both the recording and the navy, writing submarines. I worked within the militaryindustrial complex afterwards. Im sure you have the best intentions here, but i make 1300 a month on Social Security. In this amount of money you are spending over there in ukraine, which i happen to be a believer in freedom and democracy in all of these things, but you were going to be funding you are funding people that are going to live better than i am, who have served this country. I dont understand that. I dont understand how long you were going to the American Congress and step on the next of half of the population of the American People to throw this money. The money in a lot of ways to milk is all monopoly, because of these trillions of dollars of debt that nobody seems to be paying much attention to it except to play games with. Host thanks, caller. Guest first, thank you for your service to our country. Certainly i think you deserve an appropriate pension and the ability to live with the dignity of how you served our country in retirement. Again, i do not think we should have unlimited funding forever for ukraine, but i think we are at a pivotal crossroads where you are seeing the fight being taken to the russians. The hope is, again, now is not the right time to abandon ukrainians. Lets debate it on the floor. Again, this cannot be a forever war. We cannot forever provide that funding. But if you can get to a place where you can at least get a cease fire or two with a better place, i think we are closer to that then we are further away from it. Host were just about out of time but we are going to try to get in chester from florida. Independent line. Go ahead. Representative bera, i dont know how well you knew her, but could you give a sense of your impressions of the passing of senator feinstein . Guest she was an icon to california, certainly. A leader in the senate for many years. Its not going to be easy to replace senator feinstein. We are thrilled with kevin newsoms pick and she will do a fine job and we all look to support her. There is an election coming up to build a full term of senator feinsteins e. Our hearts are with her family and the memory of a great icon of california. Host representative ami bera, thank you for your time, sir. Guest thank you. Be well, pedro. Host for the next halfhour hour we will continue on the topic we started on this morning, the removal of Kevin Mccarthy from speaker of the house. Eight republicans joining with all democrats on that photo yesterday. You can give us your impressions on the vote and what you think might happen going from there. 202 7488001 for rublicans. 202 7488000 free democrats. And independents, 202 7488002. You can text us your thoughts too at 202 7488003. One of those people voting against Kevin Mccarthy yesterday, representative burchett of tennessee. One of the reasons he did so is a supposedly marked by Kevin Mccarthy, a condescending remark on his faith. He elaborated on that on cnn yesterday. You said you were deciding on how to vote, whether it is to side with your friend or your conscience, but that he called you and said something that in your view belittled your faith, because you were praying on how to vote. Could you explain how the conversation went . He basically said something i thought belittled me and my belief system. That pretty much sealed it with me right there. I thought that show the character of the man. I wanted to listen to him. I wanted to do it a long time ago. I was wanting to do it the six weeks we were on break, from august to the first two weeks of september. I said to him during a conversation, i wish you had not waited until right now to call me. I find this shocking. What exactly did he say to mock your faith . It really doesnt matter. He was just the fact that i publicly stated on your station, i think this morning, that i was praying about it and i had two paths to go, go with my friend or my conscience, and i was praying to god to tell me what to do, which he does. My daddy talked about prayer a lot. I asked god to show me what is the right thing to do. Im not trying to save your soul, but that is the path i go down on a lot of bills. I pray for my wife, i pray for my daughter, i pray for my enemies, i pray for this president. I pray for his son. As a christian that is what im supposed to do. But when someone marks me like that and mocks my religion and honestly the bible is pretty clear about god being marked. That is what sealed it right there for me. I sent, this is not the quality or the character youre of person i want as speaker of the united date. Host one of the eight of the United States. Host one of the eight republicans forcing the ouster of speaker. You can comment on those events. 202 7488001 for republicans. Democrats, 202 7488000. And independents, 202 7488002. And text us at 202 7488003. Jay sherman of punch bowl news this morning said, already hearing rumblings from some longtime mccarthy allies they will try to prevent Steve Scalise from becoming speaker. The path to to a is rocky for all candidates. You can follow the path to 218 is rocky for all candidates. You can follow along at punch bowl news. Good morning. Caller i was curious how when a vote comes like this to oust the speaker it seems more like a political move for this matt fellow because he likes to be in the spotlight, but seems a bit skewed when all of the democrats vote one way. There is no more bipartisan. What do you think about that . Host one of the people commenting on that, as well as you for the remaining time, is former President Trump. Posted on his truth social site, why is it always that republicans are fighting amongst themselves . Are they not fighting the radical left democrats destroying our country . The former president making his comments on truth social. Ed in ohio, republican line. Good morning. Caller good morning. Host you are on, go ahead. Caller well, this is a brain fart. I have issues. Host what did you think about the events of yesterday concerning Speaker Mccarthy . Caller i think mccarthy should have known from geico that they were going to take him out. You know, once they got whatever they wanted for one slip of the tongue is not speaker of the house. He was being controlled. No, i hate to give nancy pelosi any props, but she does a better job than mccarthy was permitted to do. No, she stood her ground, whereas mccarthy did not. Host right. This is rich in new jersey, independent line. Caller good morning morning. Two things. One, i think it would be there helpful to voters if you guys could maybe get some of the ink on to talk at greater lengths. Am i being heard . Host you are on. Keep going, we hear you. Caller and i also the reason i say that is because i heard a brief comment by nancy mace and some of her reasons for voting against mccarthy were totally oneoff from what we think in terms of the others who voted against him. I think it would be helpful if you guys could get some of the other eight. Host when you say oneoff, what do you mean . Caller what she said was, that she voted against mccarthy primarily based on promises that he made with regard to protecting women that he did not follow up on. That is somewhat different than what we are hearing during the debates yesterday as it relates to the budget, etc. And then i heard Richard Burchett from tennessee say that mccarthy had sort of insulted his religion, or his belief system in a, that was made. And that sort of caused him to pull the trigger. I think we all know where that is. But some of the others, it would be interesting to hear what their reasons were. Host ok. Caller as opposed to putting everybody in the same bag. I think you do a great job. Host we did play comments from representative nancy mace early on in the first hour. If you want to go to our website, our twitter feed, you can find them there. She talked about her concerns, particularly when it came to abortionrelated issues. Sylvester in maryland, democrats line. Caller yeah, basically i want to understand how matt gaetz was able to play the government, to hold the government on shutdown at the same time he was able to get Kevin Mccarthy kicked out . Isnt that against some type of ethical role . Host matt gaetz on the floor yesterday led the charge against Speaker Mccarthy. He was ahead of the boat that he gave some of his reasoning that brought him to the action he took was a portion of that from yesterday. Mr. Speaker, my friend from oklahoma says my colleagues and i do not support Kevin Mccarthy would plunge the house and country into chaos. Chaos is Speaker Mccarthy. Chaos is somebody who we cannot trust with their word. The one thing that the white house, House Democrats, and many of us on the conservative side of the Republican Caucus would argue is that the thing we have in common, Kevin Mccarthy said something to all of us at one point or another that he didnt really mean and never intended to live up to. I dont think voting against Kevin Mccarthy is chaos. I think 33 trillion in debt is chaos. I think an annual deficit is chaos. I think not having singlesubject spending bills is chaos. I think we have governed in this country since the mid1990s with continuing resolutions is chaos. How solution is a series of reforms that i would hope would outlast Speaker Mccarthys time in either of our majorities. Reforms that i have heard some of the most conservative members of this body fight for and some of the reforms that we have been battling for that i have even heard those in the Democratic Caucus say would be worthy and helpful to the house. Like open amendments. Like understanding what the budget is. We have been out of compliance with budget laws for most of my life, most of many of your lives. By the way, if we did those things, if we had singlesubject bills, if we had understanding on the top line, if we had open amendments, if we had trust and understanding there would be times when my conservative colleagues and i would lose might be a few times when we would win. There would be times when we would form partnerships that otherwise would not be really predictable in the american body politic. At the American People would see us legislating. These last few days we have suspended the momentum that we had established a week earlier where we were bringing bills to the floor, voting on them. Staying late at night working hard. That is what the American People expect. It is something Speaker Mccarthy has not delivered, and that is why i moved to vacate the chair. Host you can see that and more play out and what played out yesterday on the website at cspan. Org or cspan now. Congressman mike simpson commenting, saying it is unfortunate to see a handful of House Republicans work with democrats to remove a speaker who has given a conservative agenda for the last nine months. Congressman bob good, one of those republicans who voted against Speaker Mccarthy, saying, the American People need a speaker that will fight for the promises republicans made the American People. Representative jason smith says, under Speaker Mccarthy House Republicans have in achieving conservative victories. Todays actionable setback efforts to hold President Biden accountable for involvement in his familys business dealings or to deliver for workingclass americans. Representative dime bag can saying, i voting in support of mccarthy. We must work as a team. The eight gop members voted to weaken the gop for 2024. Those are some of the comments from yesterday. Members of Congress Given their take giving their take. Massachusetts, independent line. Caller thanks for taking my call. You know, it is just, like, i think matt gaetz is under investigation himself for trafficking girls. I think the country is going the wrong way. He is just pushing the country right over a cliff. I dont understand that they cannot Work Together to do anything for the average people. As one person said before, we need term limits. I think the country should get together and vote a lot of these people out of office. That is the only way we can do that. The republicans would just talk about mccarthy, talk about his faith. This is the problem with religion now. Everybody has a moral ground to certain things. And then a guy like that saying he could never, you know, mccarthy did this to him, and then he is voting for trump. This is why i do not understand. We cannot move on with trump in the white house. I think every republican senator that supports this guy, they must be compromised with russian money. Like, he is going to spill the beans out. There is no way the guy a lot of people said i do like the guy personally, but i will vote for him. Host that is robert. Lets go to mark in illinois, republican line. Caller hi. I couple points come to my mind. I watched all of the events unfold the last few days, and it is kind of disingenuous on both sides to Start Talking about voting with the democrats, etc. One thing that comes to my mind is the fact that it is a he said she said. You have matt gaetz saying mccarthy did this or did not do that. And then you have mccarthy saying, wait a minute, i passed all of these bills, or we passed all of these bills. But it is disingenuous for him to say that because the bills he has passed in the house, they know were not going to get past in the senate. It is ridiculous to think that he is doing something when in reality the democrats are going to block everything in the senate. That is so disingenuous. The fact of the matter is matt gaetz and the eight others voted yesterday with the democrats to get rid of mccarthy. He and his maga guys voted with the democrats, just like mccarthy got the democrats to vote with him on passing legislation last weekend. To open up the government. In my mind it is disingenuous on both sides, and you cannot believe either party about what they are saying about the other one. Mccarthy came out yesterday and said he called and talked to her chief of staff, and the chief of staff is saying he did not do anything against mace. Yet mace is saying he hasnt done anything for women. Who do you believe . Host a story taking a look at matt gaetz and the various investigations he has had under the ethics umbrella, saying in the spring of 2021 representative gaetz has been under investigation. The secret of congressional investigation was called was pauls mother Justice Department underwent a different investigation, involving sex trafficking and sex with a minor. The Justice Department decided not to bring charges against representative gaetz after concluding they could not make it Strong Enough case in court. Once the inquiry ended the Ethics Committee resumed its work, reaching out to witnesses for interviews. A person familiar with the matter said the committee, which is made up of an equal number of republicans and democrats, has not yet reached out to a key witness at the center of the most serious allegations. Again, more reading there if you want from the New York Times this morning. Marcus is up next. Marcus in chicago, independent line. Caller good morning, pedro. I have to hand it to the republicans. They were able to find eight elected representatives to stop all legislation in the house of representatives, when it is the democrats are in power they just let the single unelected Senate Parliamentarian stop all of their legislation. So, interesting stuff, pedro. I will let you go. Host one of the supporters on the house yesterday, tom cole making the case for thenSpeaker Mccarthy. Quotes i recognize that my friends on the others have a very complex partisan, personal, and political calculation to make. I certainly would not presume to give them any advice about that. But i would say, think long and hard before we plunge us into chaos, because that is where we are headed if we vacate the speakership. I personally think there are three reasons why we have come to this point. That is because at each three of these critical minutes for speaker did the right thing. First there was a speaker vote. You know, he got 85 of the vote in our conference. Yet we had a small group who decided, no, they would dictate what they want. He did not let that happen. He fought. He fought for himself, but he fought for 90 of us too that wanted him to be the speaker. And i appreciate that. Then, of course, we had the debt ceiling deal. Nobody here thought he could pass a bill. Nobody in america thought he could pass a bill. He did what speakers are supposed to do. He passed the bill. Then he sat down and negotiated with the Democratic Senate and a democratic president and came back with a good deal. A deal that will limit spending. He did the right thing. Finally, last saturday on this floor we were on the verge of a Government Shutdown. A Government Shutdown that the vast majority of members in this chamber did not want. The substantial majority on my side and an overwhelming majority on the democrats side. He put his political neck on the line knowing this day was coming to do the right thing. Right thing for the country, without a doubt. My friends and i agree on that, whether or not we agree on the speaker. He did the right thing. He did the right thing for this institution. He showed he could function in a time of crisis. Finally, i think he did the right thing for our party. He made sure we could continue to negotiate and achieve some of the very objectives my friend from virginia laid out. And achieve them in the divided government, which calls for some degree of give and take. Host all of those speeches leading up to the vote yesterday available on our website and app. The lender posting this morning, we need regular order in the house and senate. The stall strategy should come to an and. Congress needs to get the message. The only thing i saw with mccarthy that is good is that he had the democrats and senate scrambling at the last minute with the cr. Charles green saying the logic behind mccarthys removal is unimaginable. Hopefully the people responsible will get out of the way so we can turn to working for a better future. This is from chad in new york, democrat line. Caller good morning, pedro. I like to try and call in every 30 days. You have a representative from california on. I dont member his last name. He was a democrat, i believe. Anyway, the question i have is that the caller called in and asked him what he thought about speaker pro tem mchenry. He said he thought he was a serious legislator. I dont know how he could say that when the first act that mchenry did was to kick nancy pelosi out of her office. It is certainly not helpful with what is going on. I think it was just to spite her and the democratic party. Thank you very much. Host axios reporting this morning that that was indeed the case for Patrick Mchenry, the speaker pro tem. Kicking the former House Speaker out of that office and adding to the list, former democratic leader steny hoyer. They were both ordered to move out of their Hideaway Offices in the capital on tuesday. A gop aide said mchenry is going to reassign the offices, per an email sent about 90 minutes after the now after mchenry became the acting speaker. Mckinley asked pelosis staff to vacate the office. She was in San Francisco on tuesday for the funeral of dianne feinstein. It goes on from there. When it comes to pelosi and her response, same with all of the important decisions that the new leadership must address, we are all eagerly awaiting the order for me to vacate my office at my capital. More at axios if you want to see the reaction, as well as steny hoyer. This is bennett. Bennett is in maryland. Let me push the right button. Good morning. You are on, republican line. Caller hi, good morning. I support matt gaetz. The reason why is because otherwise im hearing nothing from our elected officials about the ramifications of our spending. What does all of this debt and our Debt Services on the longterm, you know, how well that affect the state of the empire . Are we just willing to ignore it and not talk about it until someday we have to drastically undergo austerity measures . I would really appreciate it if someone like the president of the United States could speak to the American People about the risks involved with our spending trajectory. That is all i have. Thank you very much. Host decatur, georgia is where ed is, on our line for independents. Caller hi. I wanted to be on one congressman carter went beyond because i have a bone to pick with him. Since i got on im going to go for it the best i can. I want to have a talk with the man who is who says there is nothing we can do but talk. No, there is something we can do, ladies and gentlemen. We can listen to cspan. And for three hours we can call and be on hold and maybe get on the air to say something. Something that matters about, like, i dont want to ask pedro or john mcardle or greta how they are doing today. I want to hear somebody talk about, how is Julian Assange today . How is the family of that palestinian journalist that got murdered by the Israeli Police . Host let me step in, because the reason you called was to talk about Speaker Mccarthy being removed yesterday. What are your comments to that . Caller im proud that somebody did something and that maybe we will get somewhere. In the meantime congressman carter will be taking up the space and air time to talk about whoever was the obviously morbid obese person that passed away. Did he even mentioned that we will not die in our 40s . Host congressman carter set to join us in a few minutes. Evelyn is in tennessee, republican line. Good morning. Caller hello. Matt gaetz and the others need to be sent down the road kicking cans. Host one of the events yesterday that happened outside of the removal of Speaker Mccarthy happened on the senate side. The california governor appointed laphonza butler, who will serve the remainder of the term from senator dianne feinstein. She was sworn into Office Yesterday by Vice President kamala harris. Will remember, the first black woman to represent california in the center. There is part of that ceremony. Do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic . That you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same . Him that you take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion . And that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which you are about to enter, so help you god . I will. Congratulations. [applause] host again, that took place yesterday on the senate side. You can see that whole event play out on our website and the app. Joe is next in new orleans, democrats line. Caller good morning. People, american citizens, we are headed toward a dictatorship. If trump is reelected as president host pulled on. Lets go back to the event we are talking about, Speaker Mccarthy being removed yesterday. What are your thoughts about that . Caller that is all enter intertwined, pedro, and if you would please not interrupt me. Host all right, go ahead. Caller if the leadership in the house of representatives is there and the republicans gain a majority we are in a dictatorship. Get ready for it. Host eric from las vegas, independent line. Caller either, first time calling. I just, you know, im sitting back and watching what is happening to the country and it is always they are running out of money, it is always a fight or hassle were some kind of a catastrophe i mean, why cant they see that our country is being decimated . I mean, all of our money goes to other countries and here we have 100 billion for ukraines borders and nothing for our borders . Host again, how does that relate to Speaker Mccarthys removal yesterday . Caller i think matt gaetz is doing the right thing. All of the politicians are selling out america and getting rich. Finally someone stood up to them. Thank you for your time. Host joanne in ohio joins us, line for republicans. Hello. Caller good money. I think they got it all wrong. What was it, 49 people, republicans that voted for pelosis omnibus bill . Theyre the ones that should be ousted. Host how does that relate to yesterdays removal of Speaker Mccarthy . Caller i think he was getting his foot on the ground. They should have given him at least to the year. Our country has gone to hell, what are you going to do . Host the speaker pro tem is Patrick Mchenry. They have gaveled out, or are subject to the call of the chair, means they have effectively finished work this week. Set to come back next week for a meeting taking a look at potential candidates to become the next speaker of the house. Reportedly a vote on that set for next wednesday. Joining us to talk about these issues and more, representative carter carter. He serves the state of georgia, republican from that state. He will join us next when washington journal continues. As part of our new series we are asking you what books you think shaped america. 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At the same time we have to be realistic. The winners were the democrats, they were the ones who won. Our party lost. We lost a great leader and we also lost unfortunately a prolific fundraiser. So weve got to rally around. We still have a great conference, great leaders in our conference and we will get another speaker and i think weve got a lot of talent. I look forward to us regrouping and coming out stronger. Guest host why do you pay your attention to the democrats . They voted with the democrats. These eight people who voted to vacate the chair voted with the democrats and they were the winners. Weve just got to get the train back on the track and we will. We are right on policy and thats the key. With all due respect, these eight, whatever their reasons may have been. One of the reasons they keep pointing to is our fiscal sanity here in washington dc and i could not agree with them more. That is something we have got. We have to get our arms around this. If we dont we will lose our country and i will say just flippant i do not say that flippantly. I mean that. We have to get this budget under control. We have to stop this deficit spending. We have to address our 33 trillion in debt. The number one responsibility of federal government is to protect our homeland. We can only do that through a strong defense. Next fiscal year we will spend more on the interests on our debt then we will on the defense. Thats inexcusable and it has to stop. We have to stop running these budget deficits every year adding to our debt. We have to get back to a responsible budget and im very proud of the work weve done in the Budget Committee and weve actually passed out of committee a 10 year budget that will give us a balanced budget and actually will save trillions of dollars in that time, over 16 trillion paid not only that but it will bring us to a positive state of over 130 billion if we follow this plan we have passed through the Budget Committee. Our guest until 10 00. 2027488001 for republicans. 2027488000 for democrats. Independents, 2027488002. Representative carter it was representative gaetz yesterday who criticized Speaker Mccarthy for not focusing on bills, the effort to cut spending. Are those legitimate criticisms . I would submit to you that we have done more in the way of addressing single subject bills and addressing appropriations process than any time in the nine years that ive been a member of this body. Its very unfortunate. I get the frustration and yes i wouldve liked to have seen us have the appropriation bills done before now but we are where we are and the only thing we can do is to do the best we can to catch up. We are behind already, thats why we had to pass the 45 day cr that gives us more time but what was offered before is extremely important. What was voted down was a cr that included spending cuts. Thats something we have never done before. We never had one that included spending cuts. We had an opportunity to address what i consider to be one of the top issues in our country right now and that is the southern border. We have to secure that border. We had the opportunity to pass, that did not pass and then the speaker at the approval of the majority, of the vast majority of our conference agreed to put a clean cr with the faa reauthorization and with funding for fema and natural disasters on the floor and that past. There was a Republican Conference Committee meeting yesterday to talk about the next steps. What came out of that concerning the next speaker of the house. We did have a meeting last night after the chair was vacated after the position was vacated and our speaker pro tem told us next tuesday night we will be back and have presentations from those interested and running for speaker and that on wednesday we will vote for a new speaker. Host has anyone stepped up to make a presentation . Guest obviously we are in washington dc, there are rumors and rumors. There are people who are putting their name out there. Theres no question about that. Again i would submit to you we have strong leaders in our conference and im confident we will get a good speaker. Ive said before i will not vote for anyone whose name is not mccarthy but now that kevin has taken his name out of the hat, i will keep an open mind. Do you think someone like Steve Scalise has a chance. Guest i think Steve Scalise would be an excellent speaker. Theres no question about that. Obviously has the experience. All of us are concerned about his health, Steve Scalise is obviously could step right into the role and we would not miss a beat. Jim jordan would be a good speaker. Theres no question in my mind about that. Thats why i say we have some outstanding talent. Im very confident we will get a great leader and we will move forward and are going to move forward with policies that i believe are the best for our country. To what degree the next speaker has to gain the support primarily of representative gaetz and those who agree with him to oust Speaker Mccarthy. Lets make one thing clear. There will have to be some rule changes. I was in the gym this morning and i will tell you that is something a lot of people were concerned about. The rule changes are something that are going to have to happen. For eight people to be able to tell 208 other people what they are going to do, there is something wrong with that picture and theres no question some of the eight. I can look in their heart and tell you what their intentions were. It was pretty obvious for some of them it was personal and thats very unfortunate. Host represented of buddy carter joining us for this. Brett in michigan, democrats line you are up. Go ahead please. Caller ok you republican hypocrites you continually tell the lie the tax cuts increase revenue. The only Budget Surplus was the one clinton handed to bush at the end of his administration and what did bush do with that. Wasted it on an unnecessary war in iraq on false premises of weapons of mass destruction that were never found. You republicans dont get squat about spending money when a republican president is in power. Trump increased the debt by almost 8 trillion. That didnt bother you. It did not bother you when he was sending out checks to increase inflation during covid that he sincerely wanted his name on. Host ok. Do you have a specific question for our guest caller . Guest well caller well ok a specific question. Do you think you still repeat the lie that tax cuts increase revenue. Host thanks. Guest obviously we disagree, the caller and i disagree. You only have to look at the tax cuts and jobs act we passed while we were in the majority under the ways and Means Committee that came out of that. That resulted in an increase in our economy, our revenue. Thats just the type of injection we needed into our economy. This biden mx. Is not working. I will tell you the people in my district, the people in the state of georgia are hurting. Our governor had to suspend our gas tax because inflation is so high. The core staples people depend on. Gas and petroleum and food, all of that has increased in price under this administration so i beg to differ. Look. I will acknowledge that our debt is as much do and some of that has to be the responsibility of republicans as well. Republican spent too much, democrats spent way too much. We have got to get this under control. If we dont get some kind of fiscal sanity our country is not going to be able to sustain. Guest tim joins us from host tim joins us from florida. Republican line. Caller thank you congressman. I just wanted to say it is really unfortunate that Speaker Mccarthy was removed because to me he has been one of the greatest speakers in recent years. Hes done a great job. He was able to do bipartisan things and what strikes me is how the democrats, not one or two people would be independent enough to oppose removal. They act as if its the politburo to me. That needs to be brought home again and again how the democrats have no independence whereas the republicans, a group of renegades are able to overthrow the speaker. My question would be who do you think would be the best person to be the speaker. I will let you answer, thank you. Guest first of all thank you for what i think is a very astute point. You are absolutely right. I was commenting earlier today to one of my Staff Members about you really got to admire the democrats, they keep them in line. Yesterday during the debate on the motion to vacate, the speakers on our side were making all kinds of comments about, democratic policies and spending and yet the democrats just sat there and did not respond. Usually they would be jeering and that kind of thing but yesterday they did not. They were disciplined and let this process play out. To your question about who do i think personally would make great speakers. Again i think we have a deep bench in our conference. The two names that have been mentioned on the show, Steve Scalise and jim jordan. Both of those would be outstanding choices. Then we have others. Tom will do an outstanding job, the list goes on and on of outstanding leaders that we have within our conference who i think and step up and handle this job. Host lets go to june in california, independent line. My name is june and ive actually republican. Host let me stop you there only because we ask our persons to call on the right line to make sure everyone has a chance to do so. Someone who i believe comes from your district in georgia. Democrats line, go ahead. Host mr. Carter you supported mccarthy. Mccarthy had no respect. He did not keep his word to nobody. My question to you is you are supposed to be a pharmacist and youre supposed to know about medicine. Why is it that you have not put anything concerning medicine, tried to get the prices down other than trying to get some scheme about what is it, pushing taxes. Why didnt you try to get the price of drugs down. Thats my question to you sir. Guest obviously we havent done a good job of informing this constituent about what weve been doing. My focus in congress for the last 8. 5 years has been on decreasing Prescription Drug prices. I practiced pharmacy for most 40 years. Telling the Senior Citizen how much the medicine was and watch them make a decision. I was the one who had to go and tell the mother how much are antibiotic for a child was going to be and watch her in tears try to figure out how she would pay for it. Thats why i made it my mission to do something about drug pricing and i have done just that. If you ask anyone who is a member of congress whether it be in the senate or the house who is trying to bring Prescription Drug costs down and they will tell you it is me. Im the one who got the ftc to look at practices of the pharmacy benefit managers. The middlemen who are causing prices to increase without bringing any kind of value whatsoever to Prescription Drug market. Thats been my mission in congress and to say i havent done anything i think is ludicrous. I passed numerous bills that have helped bring down the price of drugs, the gag clause. Your pharmacist can tell you if you pay cash for this medication it will be cheaper than your copay. Before i did that a pharmacist could not get you that. Im the one whos got the bills right now and more transparency and lower drug cost bills that has passed through the energy and Commerce Committee. I have to say we just have not done a good job with educating this gentleman as to what weve been doing and Prescription Drug costs. A story this morning about drug makers agreed to negotiate prices of 10 drugs under medicare, this is an effort by the Biden Administration. Guest i think its the most egregious piece of legislation i have ever seen since ive been a member of congress. This is part of the inflation reduction act. Nevertheless thats what they called it. This was the worst part of that legislation and i will tell you already the university of chicago has said this will result in 320 fewer cures coming to market. Even the Congressional Budget Office said the nonpartisan economists in congress that rates legislation for us, even they said that this legislation, this Prescription Drug legislation would result in 10 fewer cures coming to market in the next decade and whats that can be the cure for . For alzheimers, als, the cure for cancer, we dont know but i can tell you this is going to destroy research and development. I have seen nothing short of miracles in my practice of pharmacy as a result of research and development. This is awful and its the worst piece of legislation ive seen since ive been a member of congress. Host you talked what how you want to see lower per Security Drug prices wouldnt that be the same on your side affecting r d and other things. We can ill afford to lower any prices at the risk of losing research and development. When i started practicing pharmacy in 1980 if you are diagnosed with hepatitis c, you were going to die. Now you can take a pill and you will be cured. We can ill afford in this country to lose research and development. There are other ways we can bring Prescription Drug prices down not by holding these companies hostage. I read that article in more than one publication and i will tell you this is so misleading that companies have agreed to do this. In fact theres a lawsuit right now not only has Drug Companies but also the chamber of commerce in the United States has entered into it as well that is suing this administration and hhs saying this is unconstitutional and it is unconstitutional. We have of you are off of twitter who asks is because we are seeing as far as speakership is concerned adding that kicking the can is getting old. Guest we actually consider that in our committee. We did our job, we got it, we passed the budget. Now its up to leadership, whoever thats going to be in the near future to decide whether they will put it on the floor not. I hope they will put it on the floor. We have submitted a plan for the Budget Committee that will balance our budget within 10 years, save us trillions of dollars and actually result in increased revenue and actually result in a positive balance at the end of that 10 years. Guest barbara in florida, republican line go ahead. I used to listen a lot. Listen for a couple of years but i had to get on today to hear all of the hullabaloo. Im so thrilled about what he did. Im 81, and ive been voting since im 21 and this is the best thing ive ever seen the republicans do. I cannot tell you with what. I put up with my congressman, i cant get anything from his office. But no, help the world, help everybody else but forget about your constituents and what they want. Theres a lot of things that he did that im not happy with but he did something. I cant believe in 60 years and so my birthday was on september 17 which is the day the constitution was signed in 1878. Ive always held that is a privilege of mine. I cannot tell you everybody out there. All the republicans moaning and groaning last night on tv and the republicans that i never expected to be moaning and groaning, you would have thought they signed the death warrant or something. Its a change. Someone is doing something. Someone is speaking up. Host thanks caller. Guest my response respectfully would be i disagree about Kevin Mccarthy. I think hes done a good job as speaker. But to your point, it took 15 rounds for us to elect him speaker and it was not pretty. But at the same time the net result was good because we got some good rule changes out of it seeing the subject rules. Doing appropriation, the single appropriation bill. All of that was good. The net result was good. My hope is this will be the same way. I wish we couldve avoided this and im sorry to see this. I think kevin has gotten a raw deal but at the same time i remain optimistic that we will be able to do this in turn this ship around and good things will come out of this. Stories of rumblings by some removing represented gates from the conference. Do you think this is a real thing and could it happen . Guest personally i would hate to see that. I dont agree with his antics or a lot of things that he does, but ours is a big tent. We have a certain amount of independence in the Republican Party as opposed to being in the other party as you pointed out earlier. Thats one of the attractions of the Republican Party is we are a big tent. We have a lot of different thought processes in our conference. I hope it doesnt come down to that. I do feel very strongly we need to understand in congress if youre going to be wearing a hoodie or pulling the fire alarm or airing personal grievances on the house floor, maybe you shouldnt be in congress. This is serious. Democracy is hard. Weve got to be serious about it. Our country has some great challenges. Im a father, a grandfather. I want this country to sustain. I want it to continue on. Thats why im up here fighting. And i will continue to fight. Host pennsylvania democrats line, good morning. Caller good morning. Im curious what the republican position on lowering the cost of gasoline with the Understanding Oil is traded on the world market and American Oil Producers have to sell their oil to the world market for it to come back here for the price of gasoline. Guest thats why we passed hr one which is the lowering energy costs. I believe in climate change, i think its real and i think this rush to green is ridiculous and is going hurting our economy now and destroying our economy if we dont stop it. I do believe that we should have clean energy. All of us want that. I get so frustrated because being someone who believes in the energy strategy, fossil fuel has not gotten the credit they deserve. I often tell them this getting the job of letting the public know what you have done and decreasing Carbon Emissions. In the United States of america in the last decade we have decreased Carbon Emissions more than the next 12 countries in the world combined. Thats important to note and that shows you how much the fossil fuel industry has done in improving Carbon Emissions. To your question about the price of gasoline i was in houston i guess three weeks ago. The number one issue the Energy Companies continue to tell me about is the permitting process. It is just crushing their industry and we got to have permanent permitting reform. In the fiscal responsibility act. When we were negotiating the debt ceiling. There is some reform in that but we have to have a lot more. Right now permitting is just destroying our economy. Michigan is where jessica is. Line for independence. This is for represented of buddy carter of georgia. Good morning, go ahead. Caller hello and good morning hope youre having a great time. I do specifically have a question for you also concerning the budget. Looking into this. Considering the allocation of funds that go to something as big as cop city in the state of georgia and also considering the fact your constituents i dont know if they are your constituents may be. But considering the constituents of atlanta have been very vocal about not wanting cop city why arent we reallocating funds from these projects back into social services that directly help the people. Thank you so much, have a great morning. Guest if you remember our commitment to america we want to build a country that is safe. We can only have a safe country if we have Law Enforcement and thats why in the republican we back the blue. We back our policeman. We back our Emergency Personnel and im telling you, we need this development in georgia and i would disagree with you. I dont think most people in atlanta or in georgia are opposed to this. In fact i applaud the attorney general, the governor for what they are doing to prosecute these people who were involved in criminal activity when they were protesting this and this is something i feel strongly about and im very proud of my state, very proud of our leadership in our state for what they are doing to prosecute these people. Host one more call from california. Got about less than a minute but go ahead. Caller thank you for taking my call. What was the secret agreement that mccarthy did with biden concerning the ukraine deal. Guest there was no secret agreement. Kevin mccarthy has made that perfectly clear. We have some any people in our conference, these accusations that are unfounded, unsubstantiated, this is the type of thing that gets people upset. Kevin has said time and again no , no deal was made. Representative carter, walk us through next week. How smooth of a process do you predict is going to happen. I think as i said next tuesday afternoon and tuesday night we will have presentations from those who are vying for that position and wednesday we will have the vote for a new speaker. Its our hope and even kevin made this point in our conference after this was over with last night, he said lets make sure the next speaker is elected on one ballot. I hope that will be the case and im looking forward to that. Host represented carter who serves the state of georgia, thank you for your time this morning. When the house gaveled out they were subject to the call of the chair to come in and conduct business at any point. We are told the house is planning on reconvening in just a few minutes. Then possibly recessing again at the call of the chair. That playing out but it that plays out, be sure to tune into cspan, our main channel and over the weekend our new abend website. For the latest in the process of choosing the next speaker of the house. Thats it for our program today. 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