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Our guest is a man that many of us would like to hear from regarding what events around this mean, george will. He was with us five months ago for a memorable evening, as well. He is a columnist, television personality, and author. Perhaps the most powerful journalists in america, as described by many, and they contributed to nbc news and in and msnbc. This topic tonight is, where do we go from here, the impact of the trump era. He is the host and executive producer of the podcast to the point Climate Change update. He is a recipient [indiscernible] i wish you all a happy thanksgiving and welcome you all to this evenings conversation. Mr. Will thank you very much. Thank you for the moving comment about thanksgiving. It is always great to host these programs. It is a special privilege for me a talk to george will, such wonderful writer, a very creative thinker. Manages to still be a conservative even though he is not a republican anymore and has not been for the past four years. We will hear about that. Your recent column about the census, iabout the will get to that, but first, the transition has begun. And i think the earliest i proposed right there. Give us a couple of minutes on how you think it is going so far. Mr. Will i think it is going well. The institutions work well without much friction. We have heard an awful lot about the threat to our institution and our democracy the last four years. Think people lost out of the fact i think people lost sight of the fact that this is not a fragile country and was not made by fragile people. There was one great constitutional crisis in this country, and that was the civil war. I was beginning as a columnist during that. The during watergate, institutions, congress, the courts, journalists and others got through it. What about the fact that the president has so far refused to votes, has cast doubt on the integrity of the whole elective process . Is it that a threat to the institutions of the u. S. . Mr. Will i dont think so. I dont think the vast majority of americans are not subscribing to this, even his supporters. Where thes a point worst heat the worse he behaves, the better it is. Most alarming thing about the selection is the millions more people that voted for him after years. G him for four understanding what their grievances are, there fears their fears. Theres obligation for us to indulge these kind of fantasies. But the fact that his legal team is playing the game that. Ouldnt shoot straight the better it is for the country overall overtime. And his was brief supporters over the failure of his campaign, but his anger something we will have to deal with . ,snt that a stronger impulse or more troubling, then grief than grief . Mr. Will i dont think the American People as a whole are angry. I think they are exhausted. They want restoration of stability and the like normality. The Cable Television audience on both sides is kind of angry. In the primaries, only one third of the primary voters voted for Bernie Sanders or elizabeth warren, the angry side of the Democratic Party. That means two thirds didnt. The people who voted for mr. Biden voted for his demeanor, just as mr. Trumps demeanor was a selling point, so, too, was mr. Bidens demeanor. With that Jack Nicholson smile of his and his persona is very telling. President elect has introduced the six potential cabinet members, all involved in National Security in one way or another. Thought President Trump was interest of the country, do you feel different already . Mr. Will i dont think government is a foreign country or the adversary. People. Experienced mr. Trump selected some good people early, but he ran through the my mile a minute through them a mile a minute. I think what mr. Biden is trying produce communicate and discontinuity, stability, calm adult supervision has come back to washington. At to you feel about john kerry being introduced as the climate long boy . Notpresident you are a climate denier, but you are skeptical about the whole idea, on the change. The havoc that it might wreak. And what your take on the importance of climate to john kerrys appointment and this cabinet. Mr. Will the Democratic Party is deeply concerned about this and the president is responding to that. Im not a Climate Change denier. The one thing we can all agree tapehis is where the begins, not ends, it never is not changing. It is a very complicated, dynamic system. Activities can make a difference. It is controversial. The question then becomes, what do we know for sure . How much should we wager on these predictions in terms of our freedom, trillions of dollars spent . And does it make more sense in toms of economic efficiency change the dynamic of climate it,ge, or accommodate with measures of adaptation to say, rising sea levels . Of thing i sort think we can all cope with. Everyone take a deep breath and cope. We really have to cope when we are thinking when we are thinking. Know youre concerned about the deficit. You said medicare and Social Security are not sustainable partly because when they become unsustainable, the people in charge will not be around anymore. Is that same thing true with regard to Climate Change . Is it important to deal with it now so that it does not ruin the lives of our children and grandchildren . Mr. Will it is indeed important to do that, but again, we have to understand, we are talking about the rise of sea levels, you are talking about an increase of 12 degrees celsius 100 years from now. From 100 yearss out are going to be wrong, or certainly inaccurate. Measures are in order at this no more shouldn, be invested in science than the science itself has. Scientists are among the first to say, particularly , there areentists very complicated variables. You wrote in june not only should trump be removed, but that voters must dispatch his congressional enablers, especially the senators who still gambol around his ankles with a canine hunger [laughter] i love that phrase. But it didnt happen. The enablers are still there. How concerned are you about that . Mr. Will i think they feel chastened. You need a spine of steel in dealing with the president. [indiscernible] in the these People Senate are not that, im afraid. But understand this, there is zero, and i mean zero affection in the senate for the president. He has no friends, no admirers. When he is gone, as soon he shall be, many are going to snap back into a position of recognizable dignity. Some of them deserve to lose, they did not lose, but the theican people most like voting paradigm, because they produce it often. My guess is joe biden will probably be just as happy to have a republican senate, because then he can turn to some of his critics on the left and you cant do that with the senate. He said biden would benefit from republican control of the senate and that Mitch Mcconnell strifeodulate senatorial and go down as a consequential conservative. How likely is that to happen . Mr. Will i think it is more likely than you might think. To me, the biggest problem in our country institutionally is that our president has become untethered from constitutional restraint. The imperial presidency in the last 80 years has formally disrupted the equilibrium of the three branches of government. So, it is very important that congress reestablish itself enormous discretion, do its job, and again establish, as it is, article one of the constitution, in our democracy. Joe biden important, and Mitch Mcconnell are institutionalists from the senate. Joe biden has 36 years of senate experience. These men respect the senate. Everyone wants to have a more dignified, consequential, deliberative congress. I think for example, you will see a much less promiscuous use of the filibuster is a now have. Filibusters they now have. By the way, mr. Schumer has done sort ofrump nominees similar [indiscernible] why though should Mitch Mcconnell tried to modulate senatorial strife when hes got all these senators who are running for president in 2024 . And all of them are going to want to appeal to those 72 billion people, or however many there were that voted for donald trump . Theyre going to want to maintain or reach out to those voters. The same kindoing of things they have done during the presidency of donald trump . Mr. Will theres no question ted cruz, josh hawley, lindsey graham, marco rubio, and all the , every time a senator looks in the mirror, they see a president. Mitch mcconnell is not sympathetic to these people. Mitch mcconnell has never entertained president ial aspirations. One of the reasons is, mitch has the tightlipped irish demeanor of george will. Unfair. Arsh, but not [laughter] congratulations for getting rid of that image. At least for this program. Senators who want to run for president , decide the party is a cult and has become a cult. That is what you said when you resigned from it when the nomination for trump occurred. Is it still a cult, or do you there will be an effort to persuade those 72 Million People that have Something Better to do than the kinds of things that they wanted trump to do . Mr. Will it is too soon to say. The truth of the matter is, there are [indiscernible] two stents in the u. S. Military, a very intelligent man. You would call it the thinking persons trumpism. I think there will be others in the republican primaries in 2024 we want to go back to what we had come all ronald reagan, who said i dont want to go back to the past, i want to go back to the past way of facing the future. A serious argument about free trade. When this Republican Party began to delve with protectionism, what is protectionism . Government telling people what they can buy. It is managed trade. If that is not the essence of large government, industrial policy, what is . So the Republican Party has a bit of free thinking to do. If they say we are simply going to be trump without the messenger, they are going to find out that trump was mostly the messenger, mostly the manner, mostly the demeanor, mostly the tenacity. 68, you and i are old enough the president is, 146 electoral votes. One of his mantras as he campaigned was, theres too much dignity and government. The people liked that. Lack ofmr. Trumps dignity was part of his appeal. Is it a party of governance or is it a party of theatrics . Is that a party of inflammatory gestures . Too soon to say. We are going to find out fairly quickly. Let me ask you this. You are an advocate of libertarianism and individualism. American individualism. What about that concept, when it is used as an argument, for not wearing a mask in the interest of Public Health . No government can tell me what to put on my face. We see that again and again. Usinge putting on weapons when they are marching thate streets advocating theyre simply not going to tolerate that kind of thing. When they do that, of course, we are all subject to the spread of disease. What do you say to people who have that position . Mr. Will i say the following, i am, as you say, libertarianish. Incommunicable disease is a really good reason. I went to oxford to study. I got a phd at princeton. I taught physical philosophy. Jon stewart says there is a distinction between suffer guardian next, ask that dont affect other people, and other guardian next. Obviously and others regarding act. This is such an easy measure to take. I call a Country Music manliness on the part of people that will not wear a mask. You know the Country Music lyrics. Driverast, fishing truck. This is a minor decision that will save the lives of your friends. Doesnt seem to happen persuasive to a lot of americans and not a lot of members of congress, including members of the senate, who have apparently spread the disease in the chambers of the senate. So again, how can you expect members of that party to lead in such a way that millions of people will be willing to deal with the disease the way we ought to deal with it . Mr. Will i understand the problem. I think the most instructive teaching that is being done is by the numbers we see every morning on television as we passed 250,000 deaths. There some people you just cant rich. You just cant reach. We will find out who is fit to survive and wasnt. There is a case coming up before the Supreme Court on monday that has to do with a challenge to the senses, which under trump did not include unauthorized immigrants. He calls them illegal aliens. You have said that violates to provisions of the constitution, with both philosophic and philosophical consequences. Talk to us about that. The constitution quite tells you something about the enlightening nature of the american founders. They thought that information could be the basis of rational improvement. They had to have a census, because they needed to know how to apportion seats in the house of representatives. The question is, what did the founders say . They want to construe the terms of the hesitation in terms of the original meaning. Enumerationid the in the count all persons, 14th amendment and elsewhere in the constitution, do they mean more than just citizens . Yes. In the same constitution, they refer to citizens when they met citizens as persons. It is very clear, and this is how i think it would turn out, people, all all residents, all inhabitants of the country, for the purpose of to beentation, is going yet another defeat for the president of the Supreme Court. They also said all persons except untaxed indians, it was specific. Mr. Will youre quite right, other than indians untaxed in , anothering era sovereign, that is loyalty to their tribes, not members of the american community. Many and tribes in this country are members of the american community. Give you a number that is kind of interesting. Of the 10. 5 Million Immigrants have beenuntry, 60 here 10 years or more. 20 have been here 20 years or more. 3 are homeowners. 15 have bachelors degrees are more. Is, 4. 1 million children in this country were born here, therefore under birthright citizenship, they are american citizens, and are living with parents that are unauthorized immigrants. It are woven into the fabric of our life. Anyone who says these people ought to go home should face the simple fact that they are home. It is not astand matter of welcoming them, they are our neighbors. It worked for us, they work with us, they sit next to us at churches and synagogues and elsewhere. This is a nonstarter issue. In 2016, immigration was a burning issue for mr. Trump, from the tram he came down that escalated until the election. And joe biden has said in the last day or so he is for paving these to citizenship for 25 Million People. Something a majority of republicans favor. It is interesting you should said that, because trump was so opposed to immigration in general. The do you think about apple nt is that biden has security . N national mr. Will he is hispanic. [indiscernible] communism in cuba. I think it is a healthy sign. The country is changing so rapidly. In 1993, florida became the st state in which that is not true. This is a country changing rapidly. The Republican Party [indiscernible] will expire. Political parties are extremely sensitive seismographs. I expect the Republican Party will change, but it is in deep trouble. 2016, byr. Trump, in getting largely given jellicos angelicals, 87 of his vote in 2016 was white, he spent four years making no attempt to broaden his base. The strategy therefore this year was to get an even larger portion of an ever smaller slice of the american electorate, that is not a recipe for sustainable political prosperity on the part of the republicans. In a demographic change you are talking about, it is in fact one of the things that motivates the behavior of truck voters. And its racism. Mr. Will i dont think its racism. It is some of that. Think it is more understandable, admirable, im not saying it is acceptable, but it is understandable that a country whereople are used to a country people are used to our is changing rapidly. This country has been changing rapidly since the founding e ra. When Abraham Lincoln began his assent and politics in illinois, hem central illinois, he s lets faceaid, he said, lets face the fact that we are a big country, we speak different languages, get over it. That to the senses case, it is very important in california. Tell us why. Mr. Will for the purpose of representation. California has i think 22 of unauthorized immigrants in this country, Los Angeles County has 10 of all of them. Obviously, you not counted for the numeration to allocating house seats. Have seats are going to go elsewhere, to texas, to florida, to who knows where, but california would be a loser. The states are very large. This is a very high matter, politically and economically. The census is already officially over. What is the remedy . Would we have to start over again . Mr. Will the census has counted unauthorized immigrants to the extent that it can. Unauthorized immigrants are often elected to government officials for good reason. What about the inferior presidency referred to earlier . Does the constitution need to be amended in some way or changed in some way in order to reinforce the separation of congress more of a Real Authority van and has now with respect to the presidency than it has now with respect to the presidency . Congress the fact is, has said president s have usurped our power. The fact is, congress has been far too eager to shed power, because shedding power should responsibility that sheds responsibility shedsresponsibility. Declaring emergencies about this and that. Spending allocated for one purpose and using it to repurpose something. President trump and post steel tariffs and aluminum tariffs on our allied canada in the name of National Security. Becausean do it, congress has given president s of both parties for too much discretion. We dont need to change the constitution, winnie to elect we need to take pride in the legislative branch and not think of ourselves as members of the president s team, but instead exercising the dignity of the legislative branch. Think it is time to get some questions from the audience. Very interesting, indeed. John, for example, asks, should trump be prosecuted for his conduct in office . Mr. Will the impeachment provision, we had that charade of impeachment on party lines where he was acquitted. Congress had the ability to do that. They decided not to. It is very wise to let these things go, let the past be the past. I would be very surprised if joe wise, mature in washington. But that is of no concern to president biden. What are your thoughts about a new stimulus package . Mr. Will it is coming. It is very clear. Not the time even i say this is not the time for the kind of economies. We have to keep the American People who are suffering enormously, millions of small businesses, money for restaurants, grocery stores. This is where we act as a community and help one another. Assistance is coming. However, we have to face the music. In the music is this we are now heading into the National Debt by trillions at a time. Trillion is a big number. Trillion seconds is 31,000 years ago. Trillion is a big number. Pointists argue, at what when the debt becomes relative to gdp, that is to the size of the economy, at what point does it become dangerous . It is over 100 of gdp. We are reaching twice the size of the economy in 2050. Public borrowing is cheap, Interest Rates are low. That is fine if you know youre going to have low Interest Rates indefinitely. But remember this about taxes and that. That is taxation deferred. There are two ways to finance a government and only two. Current texas and future taxes current taxes and future taxes. Will you repeat the explanation you gave on the trillion . Mr. Will yes. A trillion seconds ago is 31,000 years ago. Is a very helpful image. Thank you for the image. Know, will trump continue to be a first in the Republican Party . Mr. Will think that is a 64,000 question. He could be if he wants to be, 74 Million People that watched him for four years. There is a very significant number of people out there who respond to him. The Republican Party has behaved as it has done. As i said, with canine loyalty, because they are terrified of a large portion of their constituents. The power of him tweeting to arouse these people. They can if he wants to be. That will be the drama of the 2024 nomination competition. Others will be out there saying, no, that was a wrong time for the country, and it will be fascinating. Those senators you mentioned earlier, if they are eager to run for president , will they be able to do it if trump is still around, indicating that he might want to run for president . Mr. Will im not sure mr. Trump will want to run for president again in the first place. As richarly as r as hes lying about being. Think hes not going to be fit to run for president in four more years. Sharon wants to know, what is the role of the media over the past four years . Media has suffered from trump derangement syndrome. They adopted an adversarial stance. Trumps genius was to take up space in the heads of people and not get out. Journalism went back to its origins. In the 1790s, when suddenly, Political Parties suddenly emerged, the american newspapers and American People were vicious readers of newspapers back then. When Thomas Jefferson was secretary of state, [indiscernible] an may look back as evanescent episode in our life, where we aspired to objective journalism. We have set aside that aspiration in recent years, particularly under donald trump. Think some newspapers are going have a moment of reflection and say, maybe we up to get back to that. Ought to get back to that. This question has to do more than anything else with the big lie technique trump as used by repeating the same thing over and over again. 70 of republicans believe the election was stolen. Mr. Will that is the problem. One of two things we have learned from the last four years, this goes back to my anxiety about the presidency in general, is the town setting power of the president. The first great technological enhancement of president ial power was media. One roosevelt sat down for his first fireside chat, things changed. It was a constitutional moment. Then came television. Kennedys mastery of that. Then came twitter and facebook and youtube. All of the social media. The president ubiquitous. President s are everywhere all the time. For the president ial nomination this year was a senator of colorado. Of the president ial nomination this year was a senator of colorado. We are going to have to get the presidency shrunk back to a normal dimension. Americans all over the country are watching the crown these days. If we are looking at the role of the monarchy in britain, britain like a lot of other countries separates the head of government from the head of state, which the queen is. In the u. S. , we dont want this the station, therefore the president has a dignity that is overtime thought wholesome. Asked, as the questioner 74 Million People that take him at his word are skeptical of president s in general. A wholesome, down to earth doubt about executive power would make us all better off. Mr. Will here is carol here is carol. Are you troubled with regard to trumps withdrawal from the open skies treaty . He is destroying the very earthlings that have been used to conduct surveillance under the open skies treaty. Mr. Will yes, i am. I think one of the first you are going to see first things youre going to see is joe inen, with his large portion his 36 years of the senate, was isveling with traveling, going to take National Security much more seriously than the current president has. This is the most important thing we can do, mr. Biden, is to begin to take National Security seriously. Responsibility of the president is to attend to the security of the country. We had a fouryear hiatus in the. And talked about the case coming up next monday in the Supreme Courts. Andrea wants to know, what is your best guess of where the Supreme Court is heading . Mr. Will i think the Supreme Court is going to surprise a lot of people. I think the Supreme Court is now full of people who call themselves originalists, will be tempered to the original public meaning of the test. Of the text. I think there is not going to be to to be judicial activism. Restraint isial dereliction of the judicial duty to restrain an overbearing majority. I grew up in central illinois, lincoln country. Lincoln was in the Champaign County courthouse when he heard the act was passed in 1864. The problems fracturing the country [indiscernible] the important thing in america is public sovereignty. Lincoln said no. Loophole was him saying, america is not about a process majority rule, it is about the condition of liberty, and i would like to see the Supreme Court more active in the defense of liberty. Of those whone says i want the court to be more passive, i want the court to be more vigilant and engaged of liberty engaged on liberty. Mr. Will do you think the fairness doctrine should be brought back by the fcc . Mr. Will no. When there wasgh technological reason for it, the radio bands were scarce, Television Bands were scarce bans were scarce. Do you think the government thinks it is good for you, i dont. We had maybe four, maybe five channels, now we have 400 channels, the internet, there is no scarcity. Have a cornucopia of information. We hardly need the government to release it. John wants to know, what is your best guess as to the reason for President Trumps strange relationship with russia . [laughter] think he just, i to ande to responds is drawn to it. With his obvious affection for erdogan and russia, it speaks for itself. At the time, others in new york looking into the president s credentials into the president s credentials, after his fourth there were not a lot of lenders willing to lend to him. He might have we come depended andome russian oligarchs others. That is speculation. I think we should wait to see. But that would help explain the affection he has for things russian. Im trying to find the question that i saw that i iicked away from, because dont know who asked it. Who the cubsis, going to be this year beat this year . Mr. Will we are all going to be chasing the dodgers. Best playerthe in the league from rookie bets. Rich get richer. The dodgers are a dynasty and a wellrun dynasty. How did you like the 60game season with nobody in the stands . At least in the world series . Mr. Will i hated it. I will tell you why. Games in 2019,50 31re were 19 wins and losses. They had 162 games in the season. This year, after 50 games, [indiscernible] is, after of baseball 162 games, you are what the record says you are. 160game season was hard to take seriously, never mind an extra inning at one of these others. Well, im a conservative. I dont like it. What about the pace of baseball . So slow by comparison basketball, etc. Mr. Will three hours and six minutes is the average nine inning game. Baseball now is a 32 outcome, strikeouts its boring. The ball is not put in play. Hit the ball out of the ballpark. There is a reason for that. Have five, 6, 7, 8, 9 pitchers who throw 95 mph. That is killing the game right now. I want to make baseball great again. [laughter] what about the empires . A video shows there was really a ball or really a strike. Why not require the umpires have other things that they can do . They dont have to call the ball strikes, they have additional activity. Seewill i think you will some automation of the strike zone coming fairly soon. Youre still going to need a man for variouslate calls. There will be that difference. If they dont change the baseplate, young people nowadays want the speed of the telephone. In theeball has added last 30 years, 45 minutes to the length of the game with less and less action. Thats got to change. The dodgers come isolate had to ask you something about ahead youveyou go got some more,. 37 outs, 54 outs, exactly 27 of those outs were strikeouts. That is too many. About that,o we do what do you mean it is too many . Mr. Will if the game is going to be locks, strikeouts, and walking back to the dugouts, people are going to find more excitement in the nba, soccer, they are going to find. Ction not this slow action and baseball. Take a couple of minutes to reflect on what you think his , as the theme of our program is not just the impact of the trump era, but where do we go from here . Just give us a general sense of your feelings about things and a final word on how things are going. Mr. Will im looking on the bright side. Looking on the bright side, camenk the American People out to vote, they organized, threw aistered, pandemic, they took advantage of absentee ballots and mailin voting. The highest percentage turnout in more than a century. It was an experience that we really did not like, and i think mr. Bidens friends dish transition will fit perfect for what americans want. I think americans are ready for adult supervision and good manners. Aesthetics matter in life. Its called manners. It is called civility. It is called habits and disposition that lubricate life and a continental society. I think the American People are ready to buckle down and turn around. We are not bangladesh. We are a country that can get well by choosing to get well. Winston churchill, who loved our country as loved as much as he loved his americanborn mother, once said the American People will invariably do the right thing after exhausting all alternatives. I think we are pretty far down the list of alternatives. I think we are about to make useful difficult choices, so smile. I said at the outset that it was a privilege to talk to you, and i feel that way even more. Thank you very much for this program, and let me say to the audience as well and you, have a good thanksgiving, restrained though it may be, and wear the mask. I want to remind the audience that next Weeks Program will be with adam schiff. Happy thanksgiving to everybody, and thanks very much. Announced hetrump has pardoned his former National Security advisor, michael flynn, who pleaded guilty to a felony, admitting he had misled investigators about details of his conversations with the Russian Ambassador during President Trumps transition to the white house. The retired general later withdrew his guilty plea, and the Justice Department moved to drop the case against him. That request has been pending before a federal judge who has been reviewing the case. President trump tweeted this it is my great honor to announce that general Michael T Flynn has been granted a full pardon. Congratulations to general flynn and his wonderful family. I know you will now have a truly fantastic thanksgiving. Devices andmobile go to cspan. Org for video live and ondemand to follow the transition of how a power, President Trump, president elect biden, news conference, and coverage at cspan. Org. American history tv on cspan3. Coming up this weekend, saturday, at 7 00 p. M. 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