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Some of the leading minds in civil rights and activism are with us this afternoon to discuss how intentional actions can lead to positive change. Before we get underway, a few notes, you can tweet us and he diversity. E hill if you experience any trouble with the livestream, refresh the page. Our first guest is a proud 35thgeneration new mexican, that is the coolest way to frame it. Is one oftive haaland the first native american women serving in congress. She is the cochair of the native american caucus. We may be seeing her in a Joe Biden Administration soon. I hope you come back and talk to me no matter where you sit in government. Great to talk to you again. Let me ask you, we talked about diversity and inclusion and i want to make sure we dont have any blind spots as we think about this issue. You talk about diversity broadly but you also are very worried about the native American Community in america being left out of these conversations. How do you see it . Rep. Haaland absolutely. We need more voices. We need diversity across the board and that is why i am proud to be one of the first native women in Congress Alongside my dear friend and colleague sharice davids. We need people speaking for their own communities so that we get that perspective at the table. That is important, yes. Steven you have been pushing legislation as Building Blocks of this. I love the name come out not invisible act, the native American BusinessIncubators Program act, the progress for Indian Tribes act. Tell us what these Building Blocks to and secondly, who are the villains trying to stop them . Say haaland let me just that Indian Country look, we overcome sorking to many of the federal governmental policies through the years. The boarding schools, the reservation systems, these are all things that essentially did not allow native americans to live their lives. The not invisible act, that is addressing the crisis of missing and murdered indigenous women, this is an issue that has been since the europeans came to this continent to begin colonizing the native americans who were here. Away atstart chipping these issues that have been happening for a long time, for example, the not invisible act of 2019 will start a commission that will study this crisis and make sure that we know how to move forward with it, how to keep our native women safe from this crisis, and that is just the beginning, though. When you have a crisis that has been manifesting itself for 500 years, it is going to take more than one or two pieces of legislation to remedy. That is what we will begin working on. Go into my own story, but in the mid1990s, i was a policy advisor to a senator and i was in new mexico all the time frequently come opposite schools frequently, visited schools. Lets just say that my concerns back then over 25 years ago about structural neglect and the impact that it makes on the ,syche of children and families the Health Challenges that were existing i have not made a lot of those trips at the same frequency since, but it horrified me. I guess my question is, is that improving or is that structural neglect still as palpable as it was back then when i experienced it . Rep. Haaland i think we are improving in some ways, but in some ways, we are not. I will give you an example of that. This pandemic has hit communities of color especially hard in Indian Country are some of those communities that have been hit hard by the pandemic. Communitiesdian with no running water, with no electricity, no opportunities for telehealth, their water is polluted, there are all these challenges that communities of color phase and native communities are absolutely some of those communities that are the most hardest hit and in new mexico, we are about 11 of the population and at one time, over 50 of the positive covid cases. There are disparities that are being suffered by so many communities in Indian Country in particular, so yes, we need to keep working hard and i think this year, looking at the political side, more native americans running for Public Office than ever before, not just for congress, but state legislatures and county offices, i and other think that is absolutely going to help make sure that our voices are heard on every level and that is what needs to happen. We need representation at the table where decisions are being made so that people have a voice. Steven do you think the incoming Biden Administration has that set in place . I know you are being considered for a cabinet position, i dont know how to frame it. Sometimes you bring in people because of the identity it represents, it is not necessarily mean they get it. We were talking about operation warp speed and if there does become a safe vaccine that people can trust, you are still going to have communities that dont see themselves talking about the vaccine, they dont see a trusted ambassador. In your conversations with the Biden Administration about this community, do you get the sense that their commitment is structural and real . Rep. Haaland absolutely. Has aentelect biden tremendous policy platform for Indian Country, one of the strongest pillars of his platform is tribal consultation. Biden resent elect president elect biden to make sure he is bringing tribal leaders to the table for those important decisions. He is not going to make decisions that affect Indian Country without talking to them first. That will be a breath of fresh air compared to what this Current Administration has done, blasting apart sacred sites, for example, to build a southern board and wall and texting the tribal leader two hours ahead of the time that dynamite is being implanted in the ground. Administration will absolutely have the best interests of Indian Country at heart in the best interests of communities of color at heart. I have every bit of faith in joe biden and Kamala Harris to ensure that they are bringing those voices to the table and i am actually looking very forward to it. One last thing. President elect biden has promised to reimplement the tribal nations summit every year. That is where he brings Indian Tribes to washington, d. C. To make sure that he is talking directly to tribes. So i look forward to us having a voice in this administration and i think it is very heartfelt, i think it is very real. Question, 73 million folks voted for president trump. You work in congress, new mexico is a crazy place, every dimension of politics there. How do you talk to people, bring them over to get understanding to break some of this gridlock . Rep. Haaland of course, i would like to say that you start with things that you can agree on. Indian country, those are some issues that some of us can agree fact, i was the highest rated freshmen for bipartisanship, most of my bills have cosponsorship from across the aisle and i have worked with my but public and colleagues to move our country forward in a lot of areas. We can absolutely agree on things, we are all humans. We can agree on things, we need to find those things, and we need to start with those things and push them forward and i have every faith that we can do that. Steven representative haaland of new mexico, cochair of the native american caucus, lots of other stuff she has out there, secretary oft interior, appreciate your time and i hope you will talk to us soon. Thank you. Rep. Haaland thank you so much. William jverend barker the second is the president and senior lecturer of repairs of the breach, cochair of the poor peoples campaign, a National Call for moral revival. Pastor of the Greenleaf Christian church, disciples of christ, in north carolina. Growing on the unfinished work of Martin Luther kings poor peoples campaign, repairers of the breach worked with hundreds of partners to advocate for communitys of color, immigrants, the poor, women, lgbtq committee, children, workers, and the sick it is a big list. Im so grateful for you joining us today. Much what needles you are trying to move in our society is Structural Racism has been part of the fabric of this nation. People dont like to talk about that, but we are now. As a new president ial animist nation is coming in, what marks to they need to hit and what would disappoint you with this new administration coming in if they dont get it right . Rev. Barber thank you for having me. First of all, we have to align systemic racism as systemic poverty. Then when we talk about racism, we have to talk about all of its dynamics. Black people but not just police brutality. Schools,tion of public disparity and health care and economics, mass incarceration. We have to talk about racism and how we treat and still do not have just immigration policies and we have to talk about the continued mistreatment and refusal to treat our indigenous brothers and sisters right but we also have to deal with the fact that we have before covid 140 million poor people in this , attry, 43 of the nation 60. 9 of black people are poor and low wealth, but we also have 66 million white people who are poor, that is 31 of white people. We have to talk about race and poverty together, we have to deal with the 52 Million People who work without a living wage, we have to deal with the fact that over 50 of black people work every day without a living wage. There are some things we have to make sure. This president elect ran on three critical things that have to happen in the first 100 days. He ran on 15 in a union. Wage,pass a 15 minimum 40 9 Million People will be lifted out of poverty and that will have a powerful impact in the africanAmerican Community. He ran on expanding health care and we know Health Disparity is a critical issue, particularly in covid, among poor people who are dying at a larger rate, and black people, but many black people dying are poor. We have to have health care expansion. They ran on dealing with systemic racism, the issue of passing the voting bites act, restoring it, expanding voting rights, dealing with police fullm, dealing with funding of public education. Those things are critical. Making sure we have a just immigration policy, making sure indigenous families and nations are treated properly in policy and are protected on federal lands. Those are the kinds of things that must happen right off the bat, early in the administration, because people did not vote for normal, they voted for change. About theen you talk parts of society that are right now, they have been looked down thedemeaned, got punched in 2008, 2009 financial crisis, we look at that array of people you are trying to lift up, it is inspiring to hear such an inclusive statement, but the other dimension, who are the villains that need to be taken down that are trying to prevent the progress and empowerment of that part of our equation in the country . Rev. Barber lets look at the policies that are villainess and that is that 2017 tax reform law that gave to the greedy and wealthy, but hurt poor communities and black and brown communities by creating situations that forth more money to be cut from education. Lets look at the fact that we have a bloated military budget everywe spent . 54 on dollar on the war economy. What president eisenhower called the congressional militaryindustrial complex. Less than . 16 on every dollar on health care and wages. If we took a portion of that money and directed it toward infrastructure, tort health care, toward public education, we could shift the lives of poor and low wealth people and ship to the lives of black people and brown people and Indigenous People, and it would impact poor whites as well, which is something we have to talk about. Racism is against black and brown people and Indigenous People, but it is actually antidemocracy. We have to look at the senate. Mitch mcconnell has called himself the grim reaper. Some people say trump is the criminal but Mitch Mcconnell is the getaway car driver. Allowed bills on the living wage to come to the floor, expanded health care, he days,fused for over 2700 over seven years, since 2013, to fix the voting bites act and expand voting rights. We cannot allow that because not even having a debate on these things is contrary to what we call ourselves a democracy. Let me make a connection. Everybody in this country, i come from a state that has massive Voter Suppression toward black and brown people, infect fact the courts up to the wasral courts said it racism with surgical intent. Those who benefit from races Voter Suppression and end up getting in office, like Mitch Mcconnell, like lindsey graham, like thom tillis, once they get in office, they vote to block health care, to block living wages, and their votes end up inting more whites people von numbers then black people. It hurts more black people percentagewise but white people in numbers. This is the truth we must deal with about systemic racism. It is targeted at black and brown and Indigenous People but hurts all people, especially poor whites, and it is against democracy which is why we say the only way you can deal with diversity and racism is you have to bring black, white, brown, asian, and latino people together around an agenda to address systemic racism, systemic poverty, denial of health care, the war economy, and false religious nationalism. Steven thank you. One of the things i was doing was kicking around under website and i like the framing that some issues are not left versus right but right versus wrong. I know you are bringing back moral mondays and gathering people to talk about covid, talk about the crisis, talk to legislatures around the nation. Find youraming, do you have unexpected allies . Do you find that there are people, not just democrat and republican, but they get the message you are saying . Is that an opportunity that our listeners ought to be aware of that we need to be careful of typecasting people by Political Party but when you put it in white versus wrong, there may be more opportunities . Rev. Barber i think the linkage of left and right and centrist is the left and right language comes when the french revolution so i dont know why we are still using it. I dont know what a centrist is. What we believe is what politicians should be doing is dealing with what is at the center of peoples lives. What is causing misery, pain . President elect biden, our hope is in the mourning. If you address the misery people are going through, that is what heals the nation. You have to heal the soul of the nation to heal the body of the nation. Speak to the issue that people are dealing with and that is 62 of republicans who want extended health care, over two thirds of the country want expended minimum wage. What needs to happen is a breaking from left and right, republican and democrat, centrist and conservative, why not have constitutional politics . Why not start with our moral framework in the constitution that says the first goal that you swear to uphold is establish justice . Recognize that establishing justice is domestic tranquility. The promoting of the general welfare. Why not take every piece of justice,stablish insure domestic think really, provide for the common defense, then add equal protection under law as the grid by which you will say whether this is good or bad policy . People are ready for that, so much so, that we organize people. We brought together white farmers and black fat food workers. Seenchair and i, we have for black and white, republican and democrat, gay and straight, around what we call these five interlocking injustices, saying they must change. Systemic racism, poverty, ecological devastation, war economy, and the false religious nationalism. We had a gathering this year called poor peoples march on washington. We did not come to washington because of covid but over 2. 7 Million People showed up online. We contacted 3. 1 Million People , over 25 of them decided to vote early. 55 are poor and low wealth people, voted for the biden harris ticket. We saw 6 million more poor and low wealth people come into the electorate this time. That still means 28 million did not vote, but that is the only place to expand the electorate. If we are going to change the country, one third of our poor people, one third of poor white people in the south, we did a study and we found out in 15 states including texas, georgia, 90 ida, if we get less than of poor voters to go to did not vote in 2016, they could shift the senate races and president ial election. This is the place we must deal with allies and it is happening all over the country. It is happening with the poor peoples campaign. If joe biden and Kamala Harris do not listen to people saying you need to move away what you we want that would be a mistake, they move away from health care, from 15, move away from dealing with systemic of being as notion centrist i dont even know what that is what they need to focus on is in the center of the constitution and what is in the center of peoples lives, what is hurting people. If you heal the body of people, speak to the pain, that will unify people, that will show come to athey mean to place to deal with their misery and mourning. Face the peoples problems and pain. Like franklin roosevelt, know that we have nothing to fear but fear itself. Focus on the peoples pain and lift them out of the pain, especially in the middle of covid. That is where we will see healing. Barber,william president of repairers of the breach, cochair of the poor peoples campaign, i am grateful to you for bringing this set of views. Your perspective is so compelling but i have to say, it is one that a lot of our viewers may not get every day and im grateful for you to bring that perspective into this discussion. Making diversity and inclusion much more real in this country. Thank you so much. Rev. Barber thank you. Forward together and not one step back. Take care now. Steven marc morial is the ceo of the National Urban league. Services ded the he extended services to serve committees of color. He is also the former mayor of new orleans. Great to see you. When i was a young lad running around los angeles at the beginning of my career, i knew a guy named john mack. I do know if you knew john but he was a giant. He taught me in the programs we peopleing, he said, our are powerful and they dont know what. You have to build a network, build businesses, different dimensions. It is going to take time. I have a huge amount of respect for him. I know you had the urban league nationally. When you look at your dashboard of the priorities you have to continue to basically rectify structural injustice over a long time, i know there are no silver bullets, but one of the things you put in line to begin changing the day, if you will . Marc let me thank you for having me in the late john mack was a mentor, a friend, a member of the National Urban league board of trustees during my time , the man was talented, a great leader, a passionate fighter for civil rights and social justice and economic empowerment. At the National Urban league for the lens of economic empowerment. Work is theur racial wealth cap and racial economic divide that exists in this country. It is significant. On the website, it is 10 to one. The average black family brings in 40,000 a year. The average white family is nearly 75,000 a year. The black Unemployment Rate is historically twice what the white Unemployment Rate is. Those are the economic realities that have been frozen in suspended animation for almost 50 years. That is the lens through which we look at. The question when it comes to will be erased these gaps . In this environment, this new environment, this Racial Justice environment, with this new Biden Administration, it is crucial that economic policies be intentional in their design and their impact on closing the income divide, closing the racial wealth divide, and addressing the longstanding, fundamental issue that black people, when it comes to the economy, are like the caboose on a train. If the train speeds up, the black and unity may speed up, but it is still in the caboose position on the train. It is through that lens that we look at the programs, we operate, we design, it is through that lens that we look at the policies that we champion , and the thought leadership we provide. Steven a lot of the people we have had on today, we have a guy coming on shortly talking about asset building, we had a franchise person on earlier talking about wealth building and how she was building this out of eldercare facilities and what she was doing. One of our other supporters today is looking at the legacy of redlining, you go in these communities and look at the real estate world. Real estate is how most middleclass americans over the their nestogether egg, put together assets. My question to you is, are there leapfrog cometo onto change the asset game, to get people in . When i talked to the woman who set up your franchise, she said the bank would not give her a loan, she found other ways to do it. When it comes to capital, investment, not everybody succeeds, they fail and guess what happens if you fail in Silicon Valley . You get another chance. Is any of that changing . Marc let me talk to you about a combination of the problems and solutions. Fundamental to asset building is earnings and income and the ability to bring in enough money to not only take care of the basic needs of life but also to save, to invest in a down payment on a home. You cant separate or divorce earnings, things like a 15 inflation,e tied to that brings a large number of who areople, maybe 40 lowwage workers, up to a living homeownership, from asset building, or business formation. That is number one. Number two, i think what we have learned over the last 50 years and particularly in the last 20 years as we have lost ground, particularly since the great recession, the black homeownership rate has depressed from nearly 50 to where it is just hovering above 40 , where it was in 1968, the year the Fair Housing Act was passed, it is going to take in the new administration and congress intentional efforts to create mortgage opportunities for black communities and brown communities to get the homeownership rate up. You have to address the credit has biasystem, which built into it. You have to provide down payment assistance and second mortgages. You have to initiate through an Infrastructure Program a plan to both new units of affordable rental and Affordable Homes for ownership. You have to address this denial rate, this disparity in terms of how banks and others provide capital by not just fixing the loan side of the Capital Formation equation, but what i call the venture and risk side, the equity side. Are there things that can be done . I have some hope that this Biden Administration is going to recognize the president elect has lifted up Racial Justice. The need to do things differently when it comes to economic policy. Can we jump . Im certain we can make progress, but it cannot be business as usual. These policies are going to have to step away from raceneutral thought to more specificity around how these programs are designed in order to address this. This is what we are going to be championing. If we want to solve a problem, lets solve the problem. If we are dealing with 20 issues, lets not be 21stcentury issues, lets not be constrained by 20th century solutions. Steven if the blighted administration talking to you at a high level . Marc yes, i am excited that Second Degree grinned that Cedric Richmond who i have worked with will be taking a senior role and we have had some discussions with various members of the team, we are looking forward to a discussion with the president elect, Vice President elect and highest levels of his team. Here is what is important. To a diverseitment cabinet, diverse white house staff, and diverse appointees is carried through. We need to see historic diversity. Africanamerican voters play an Important Role in the president elects coalition. Milwaukee, detroit, philadelphia, atlanta alone, the number of voters who voted in 20 compared to 2016 was an additional quarter of a million votes, many of those where africanamerican votes. For those voters, the president elect would not have michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, georgia. I have heard all these pundits with their spin, what they are not recognizing is that that are not differential in those communities made the difference in these swing states. There were many other factors, but i would say that that was the decisive factor in providing an important win for the president elect. Ant to see i diverse diverse cabinet, white house. Number two, when it comes to Racial Justice, we want to see important early steps. Yes, a minimum wage increase, it is time for congress to pass that. The president should champion it in his 100 day plan. A boat invites act advancement. Plan thatructure includes housing and community , provisionsnto it to ensure africanAmerican Businesses and workers and latino businesses and workers have an opportunity, real opportunity, to participate in the upside of such an investment. Looking for a meaningful criminal justice reform. We think that the joe biden that i know is a person who takes his commitments seriously. Moment like is a maybe 1932 or 1964 where this country is poised, this country needs, it needs a real action. It needs progressive pragmatism. It needs a legislative agenda that is meaningful and real. Thats be honest with everyone. The president elects coalition, which is urban and suburban and rural and black and white and asian and hispanic, the coalition which is young and old, it is in the northeast, he won a big state in the south, it is across the sunbelt to arizona and new mexico and nevada, it is in the pacific northwest, the upper midwest, is one of the assembled coalitions by any president who has in effect defeated an incumbent president in modern American History. The popular vote i think confirms a mandate for progressive action on covid, on the economy, on Racial Justice and we are looking forward to that. , iven marc morial appreciate you coming and sharing these views without. I hope you will come back views with aust. I hope you will come back. Marc thank you. Steven half a century after the Fair Housing Act, Racial Discrimination is still preventing some americans from achieving the cornerstone of the american dream. Our next guests are experts in Property Rights and fair housing. Thomas mitchell is a professor and codirector of the program in real estate and committee developing law. He is known for his work on Property Rights on behalf of disadvantaged families. He received a grant, was named the macarthur fellow. Lisa rice is president and ceo of the fair housing alliance, advancing fair housing pentacles and preserves and broadens fair housing protections to expand equal housing opportunities for underserved americans. 90 see you both. I am fascinated by this question havew committees of color been blocked for so long on the asset building, wealth building side of this. Previous employment wrote about redlining and how there have been generations upon generations of systemic exclusion. Partitionu wrote this of the property act. Werermer neighbors in d. C. A black family that had this house for generations, 17 siblings, and what you described, which you are trying to prevent, is something that happened to this family. A piece got lodged out and someday came along and they were forced to sell this home that had been in their family for years. Take us down this and tell us what the injustice of that is and what you have tried to do with it. Sinas i think the original is at the end of the civil war, there was ale significant, between 16 and 21 beginning,from the these new landowners essentially had no access to affordable services. They were hardly any black attorneys at the time. What attorneys assumed it was bad for business to represent black Property Owners. They did not do the types of things that Property Owners who have access to excellent Legal Services do, hire lawyers to make sure ownership is defined, wontet is protected result in the firesale stripping of wealth. Once you fall into this type of ownership, it is nearly yourself, to extract it would take 100 of the family members to agree. Think you had, as a result, propertydisfavored ,wnership, most unstable form , nobodyr that structure owned a particular piece of the property. That you get it if you dont make a will, allows anyone individual to go to court , filed this action called partition action, then request the court to make a forced sale of the property, even if everybody else in the group once to maintain ownership, even if a own 1 interest, they can own one one millionth interest, as long as they have some interest, and that has been abused for decades by Real Estate Developers who prey upon these families, took their property. These sales were Auction Sales or share sales. You are lucky if you get 50 of the market value of the property. Families lost their property and were stripped of a substantial amount of their real estate wealth and for africanamericans and latinos in particular, there asset part folios consisted of their real estate portfolios consisted of their real estate. It had a double whammy on those communities. Steven i appreciate you sharing this. Outragedw this, i was and disheartened by the situation until i bed about read about you, i did not know that there was someone or a set of laws beginning to look at how you begin protecting those. I hope people are listening. This is a serious issue and if it happened nextdoor to me, it is happening to a lot of people. You, make youask the problem solver. We have been talking a lot today about how communities of color, housing,ing lack the cards amid stacked against people for a long time and even in the areas you worked in, the Fair Housing Act path seven days after Martin Luther king was a momentted, there was to rectify these things, we still have massive problems. My question is how do we begin on stacking the deck uns tacking the deck. Lisa thank you for inviting me to participate in this discussion. I think i should provide a little bit of information as a backdrop. Ofce before the inception the United States of america, most of our housing and finance andcies where racebased were specifically designed to provide opportunities for white americans while simultaneously denying opportunities for africanamerican, native americans, and other people of color. The laws where racebased. During thepened is 1960s and 1970s when we passed the Fair Housing Act and equal , we said,ortunity act going forward, you cannot consider a persons race or gender or National Origin when you are making a housing or finance decision. What we did was we left in place the structures and the systems, the discriminatory systems, the systemically, inherently unfair and racist system, we left those in place. We left in place residential segregation, which is not a natural construct, not a natural byproduct of how consumers act. Residential segregation was forced upon us by federal government policies, by state and local policies, by industry actors. ,t is an engineered construct but when we passed the civil rights laws, we left residential segregation in place , residential segregation is what helped facilitate the development of the dual credit market, we left the dual credit market in place. So we passed the civil rights laws that help address individual discrimination, but we left systems of inequality and racism in place and those systems are performing their job, they are doing what they were designed to do. Residential segregation, we say all the time, is the bedrock of inequality and residential segregation is still driving inequality today. That is why we are seeing the disparate outcomes from the covid19 crisis. They are systemically tied to race and they are systemically tied to the fact that many communities of color do not have opportunities, they do not have amenities and services, people of color disproportionately are living and health deserts, living in credit deserts, living in wealth deserts, living in water deserts. Are performings their function. Such anthat is incredible articulation of the challenges of what has to be done. Anis not just housing, it is ecosystem of neglect and underinvestment and low opportunity. Let me ask you both, thomas, if you go first, we have a new administration coming in, they are going to come in. When you look at the way hud has been managed, we are here today, the combination of forces, finances of the issues that lisa described has gotten us to this point. I am not naive to think and administration can shift all of this but if you are going to some things ind terms of changing what i would call the asset building, acid owning opportunities asset owning opportunities, these and witht are deserts a change in president ial administration, what would you front end to make a shift . Thomas . First, in my work, i was the principal drafter of the statute that undressed this abuse. 20 years ago, we are up to 17 states, including eight southern states. Ruralry region, urban and , new york passed it because of abuses. We have that in place. There is a federal farm that has provided some recent assistance to farmers and ranches. That can be built on. One of the things in terms of the usda, you cannot deny, it has been decades of systemic discrimination, almost unrelenting. There is a reason why the usda has offered a plantation. At a macro level, that systemic discrimination that you find that has permeated usda has to be addressed. There is a civil rights complaint process that has been broken for decades. It needs to be repaired. Repairing that and addressing that head on, youre going to continue to see discrimination. Aree are three senators who cosponsoring this bill, i think it will be filed at the end of this month. It is cosponsored by senator booker, gillibrand, and warren called the justice for black farmers act. It is the most exciting bill because it says, we need to address the entire history of discrimination and recognize that as a direct result of the federal government and usda discrimination, it drove huge numbers of black farmers out of the agriculture industry, one in toen black farmers in 1910 half a percent of farmers today. Look at the mother jones article. It highlights some of those key features of that bill. We would give landgrant to black farmers, train apprentices give the technical stills technical skills. This is the most exciting bill i have seen in my lifetime. ,he last thing is in my work there is an incredible lack of access to affordable Legal Services that has negatively impacted those who want to become Property Owners who are and hasf color undermined the ability of those who are Property Owners to maintain ownership of their property and protect their wealth. It is a massive problem, there is a rule for the fellow commit, april 1 to commence, a rule from there is a rule for the federal government, a rule for state governments, a rule for firms. Not only am i going to check out the mother jones article, im going to see if elizabeth warren, kirsten gillibrand, and cory booker want to come on and chat about that. Lisa, let me ask you the same thing. What would you frontload if you are talking to the administration saying, here are the priorities to begin on doing this . Let me spice it up a little bit. What would be the wrong way to start . Lisa one of the things we have been listing with the administration is we could use the tools already at their disposal. One of the reasons we still have inequality in america is that the laws that are on the books have not been effectively enforced. The Fair Housing Act does contain a provision for helping to address inequality, it helps us to address the systemic issue called residential segregation. It has never been enforced. It has not been enforced in 50 years. We have been telling the new administration, why dont you enforce the housing provision of the housing act . Reestablish the housing council, which was established under president clinton and then disbanded. That elevates this issue of racial equality to the level of the white house. It centers it at the white house and forces the white house to focus on this issue on a daily basis. The thing to do wrong is to keep ignoring the tools that are already at the disposal of the federal government to bring about racial equality. There is another tool in the equal credit opportunity act called specialpurpose Credit Program. This is a tool that has been available to us since 1976 and we have not used it. So lets use tools like affirmative housing and a special Credit Program in order to address systemic residential segregation and to address all of the challenges that we have because of the dual credit market. Steven i want to thank you both. This has been a fascinating conversation. I wish both of you well in trying to move these challenges in a different direction. Professor atll, texas a m. It is still appropriate to call you macarthur genius . And lisa rice, president and ceo of the National Fair housing alliance. I hope you will come back. Fantastic comments. I know this is not going away overnight so i hope you can continue this discussion with you. Thomas thank you. Lisa thank you. Label and cspan2, a conversation with former president obama and his newly published memoir, a promised land, reflecting on his life and career. He is interviewed by an opinions columnist and Mellon Foundation president. Former president obama, live monday at 11 30 a. M. Eastern on book tv on cspan2. American history tv on cspan3, exploring the people and events that tell the american story every weekend. 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