Transcripts For CSPAN Washington Journal 11152020 20240711

You this question, should the Trump Campaign continue with its election lawsuits . The lines to use, if you are a supporter of joe biden at 2027488000. President Trump Supporters 2027488001. Independence and others for independents, the number 2027488002. You can always text us at 2027488003, and were always at cspanwj,itter and on facebook at facebook. Com cspan. The reporting this morning of the washington times, their headline, this thousands flock to rallies in d. C. Thousands of supporters for President Trump filled Freedom Plaza in washington, d. C. On saturday as several rallies took place speaking out against what they see as a widespread voting fraud throwing the election to presumptive president elect joe biden. That is from the washington times. Also from the Washington Post this morning, they are reporting on the rally and things that happened after the rally. The headline after thousands of Trump Supporters rally in d. C. , violence iraqs when night falls violence erupts when falls. They gathered in washington to falsely claim that the election had been stolen from the man they adore. The crowd had even reveled in a personal visit from pres. Trump passed by in a motorcade smiling and waving. But that was before the people who opposed their hero showed up in the mood shifted growing angrier as 300 or so counterprotesters delivered a message to the president s most ardent backers who are unwilling to hear the election is over, lost. On stark display were two irreconcilable versions of america, each refusing to accept what the other considered undeniable fact. While much of the day unfolded peacefully, brief but intense clashes interrupted throughout. Activists. Spewed profanities come at last bottles on both sides. People were bloodied and at least 20 were arrested, including four whose allegiances charges. Known, on gun the chaos also left two officers injured. President trump tweeting about that last night said this the fake news hardly even discussed the tens of thousands of people who came to d. C. , formed organically and in many parts of country. He also serves radical left and too fast come was easily rebuffed today by the big d. C. Maga rally crowd only to return at night when the crowd had left to assault people and families. The mayor is not doing her job. Supporter, amps congressman from new york says the president s supporters have a right to peacefully rally supporting the president , and like his opponents have the same right. The physical assault by leftists is aberrant. The near total media blackout of the violence is terrible and telling. Issue, an election editorial today in the memphis tennessee gop politicians must stop condoning trumps Election Results denial. An editorial from steve cohen. This is the reporting from the Washington Post this morning trump lost at the ballot box. His legal challenges arent going any better. Your thoughts. , should the Trump Campaign continue with his lawsuits . On the trump we will hear from joan in myrtle beach, South Carolina. Good morning. Caller good morning. I am calling in because i hope i am 78 years old. I used to be a democrat for years. Democrat,ays voted but i couldnt stick with that party anymore. I am so proud of pres. Trump President Trump. I dont know what to do. I hope republicans treat the democrats just like the democrats have treated mr. Trump for four years. I hope they give them everything they deserve. Host clarksburg, west virginia, next up. Jim is on the line. Go ahead. Caller i think they already day and they gave obama eight years he wash mcconnell saying going to be a oneterm president. Notas a twoterm president , likely impeached orange buffoon, trump. These people live in a fantasy land. It is amazing how many window there thus windowlickers there are in this country. Have a good day. Host what do you think of the Trump Campaign efforts . [indiscernible] host good morning to you too, david. Go ahead. Caller almost 97 years young world war ii vet. What is going on in our great country is absolutely deplorable. Country. Longer a the world war ii generation, my generation. We have forgotten that this country is the greatest country in the world. When we come together as we, the people what is happening today, unfortunately, has become the people. [indiscernible] his in it for i america, it is what is in it for me. I look at one another and decide , we have to come together and do what is best for we the people. Host david, you said you are a world war ii vet, a world war ii hero, have you ever seen the country divided like this before . Caller know, i have never no, i have never. That is the point, we are not divided, we are polarized. We cant talk to one another without being shattered upon or considered unamerican if you oppose President Trump. That is ridiculous. Host always great to hear from you. We will go to ken next, in fremont, california. What do you think about the legal efforts on behalf of the Trump Campaign. Caller all i have to say is there was a civic movie in the about general john custer and the battle of the little bighorn. He had africanamericans not africanamericans, but nativeamericans fighting and trying to exterminate their own people. As i was watching the trump rally yesterday and all these there lending themselves up behind trump, i was very, very incensed. I am a biden supporter all the way and i think he is going to be a great president. Host in the Washington Post this morning, we showed you the headline earlier trump lost at the ballot box, his legal challenges arent going better. It says the president lost his election bid at the ballot box but he says he could win it back in court. In five key states, trump and his allies filed lawsuits that according to trump would reveal widespread electoral fraud and give trump another four years. Win, heiden did not lost by a lot, trump treated. It is not going well. Rather than revealing widespread fraud, the efforts of the Trump Legal Team so far have done the opposite, of firm the integrity firmhe election af the integrity of the election trump lost. Not a single vote has been overturned. Here is President Trump thursday talking about the continued legal efforts. [video clip] what that may mean for the country . I just think it is an embarrassment, quite frankly. The only thing that how can i notthis i think it will help the presence legacy that residents legacy i think it will not help the president s legacy. They are hopeful that the United States Democratic Institutions dure,n strong and anen but i think at the end of the day, it is all going to come to fruition on january 20, and between now and then, the hope and acceptation is that the American People do know and do understand that there has been a transition. Even among republicans, who are people who voted for the president , i understand the sense of loss. I get that. But i think the majority of the people who voted for the president , are a significantly smaller number, they understand that we have to come together. I think they are ready to unite and i believe we can pull the country out of this bitter politics that we have seen for years. T 5, 6, 7 host our opening question for you this morning, should the trump lawsuits continue . 2027488000 for democrats. 2027488001 for republicans. Independents, 2027488002. On twitter, a citizen says 72 million americans wouldn votedr dishonesty, ineptitude, bigotry, racism and divisiveness. Why . In grundy, virginia, we have been done are republican we have linda on our republican. We lost linda. Lets go to william in georgia. Go ahead. Caller i think this is all ridiculous. See this the president is supposed to show integrity and he has done the opposite. He has played on the americans intelligence, democracy and Everything Else. Looks like another one of jim jones episodes. Host that is william in georgia where the recount goes on in georgia, the recount on the president ial election. At the end of the original count, joe biden ahead by some 14,000 votes. The state is underway with their first ever president ial recount in that state statewide, and they are due to have those votes counted by the 18th, which is the middle of the week, next wednesday. Legal report they have to certify the results by the 20th. This is the other issue in georgia, the Senate Runoff elections. From the New York Times democrats in georgia runoff work to certify history of gop odds. That this will determine the control of the senate in the race is to be decide on january 5. In the past such contests have favored republicans because of dropoff in voting, particularly from africanamericans after the general election. But those intimately involved in the two previous showdowns say what happened before is not predictive of the future. Democratic and cultural change has left a rapid shifts in the state. Democrats have made concerted efforts to energize and turnout their voters, worked and paved the way for joe bidens strong showing in the state. In florida, we year from stan on the independent line we hear from stan. Caller he is just a crybaby. If you watch fox news, you can see why he is frightened. Sean hannity every night said Voting Machines cheated him. They took the vote for trump and put them on joe biden. He was on rush limbaugh, they cheated him. Fox news started all these wars. They cant stop helping him he cannot win. Wisconsin, 14,000 in georgia. I think 11,000, they called in arizona. He cant win. He just wont give it up because he has got fox news, sean hannity, the whole bunch of other, rush limbaugh, all night they say all the machines changed it. Maybe a few votes be found some front but there is no major they maybe a few votes found some fraud, but there is no major fraud. They do it every night. Then some of the stuff they called democrats last night on that show i dont even know, why they televise but. They called us racist, communist. I dont i know bernie sanders. I am not too far from the left. He admits to acknowledge it he is not going to win. It is 306 to 230. Exactly what it was last time but now in reverse. Lynchburg, to virginia on the republican line. Caller good morning. I was disgusted by your previous caller because, what he said that the trump support base was was forthink his point people to go out and protest in Donald Trumps defense because by doing that we look just as it bridges or disgusting as people who protested for months and months after Hillary Clinton had lost 2016. Let us not be what we were fighting against. And cspan, please understand, there has been documented voter fraud claims that are substantial or credible. Polle is questions about change in michigan. This the guys have media, you guys have the responsibility in the country and it is unfortunate that most of you have not learned anything from 2016 on how you create the news as opposed to creating the news. Cspan, you are a respectable journalists, but at the same time, you have the same character flaw is other media sources. If you believe in unity and if joe biden believes in unity, number one, he wouldnt be criticizing people who peaceably protest. If you believe in unity, you need to staff reflect on how you have reported the news and how you have mischaracterized a lot of people who voted for donald trump. There is no donald trump or biden supporters, they are voters. We are voters. You need to look at yourselves and reflect and stop treating the previous caller and people like that who think it is ok to call 72 Million People who voted for trump we are not racist. I am a black man, we are not racist. We were fed up of people like biden. Donald trump has made a substantial impact in American Society for the better of our country. Maybe not to what you wanted. Maybe not to the level it should have been done. But when you look back on his legacy as president , i hope you can see he did stand up to north korea as opposed to the biden and Obama Administration. And he was not the one who put kids in cages. That was donald trump. Lets stop lying. Please. York, goboyd in new ahead. Caller hi, cspan. I would like to say that joe biden admitted on air that the Democratic Party created one of the greatest voter fraud organizations in history. Why isnt somebody looking into his statements on that . Donald trump won the election. Dead people cant vote. Thank you. Host to new york, we hear from fay on our democrats. Caller good morning. I want to first say i appreciate all that you do and i miss steve scully, and i hope you can come back soon. I want to put that out. I wanted to say, i have a lot to say and i dont get this i will say it really quick. And dont get scared, i will say it really quick. First of all, i am afraid of what has happened to this country. The hatred, the bullying, the meanness, the lying that is coming out of this president is so undemocratic. It is so an american. It is so filled with hate. It is dividing our country. People need to realize this. I saw a documentary on pbs this week on hitler, the rise on hitler. It has all the hallmarks of what happened with her. Please, america. This is very scary. The same history of donald trump, when you look at all his patterns. It is not only criminal, it is disturbing. There is a Mental Health issue here. There is narcissism. Lying, egoism. The republicans, especially Mitch Mcconnell and graham going on with this . Lets talk about what they have done to biden. Tried to they dismantle this man. And they are still trying to do that. And this man biden is trying to bring the country together. What a beautiful thing. And hisconnell obamaican backing gave such obstruction. Just a legacy of meanness and unamerican. Host this is the washington reporter, he spoke to the president exclusive trump talks postelection fight. I will ask the camera to pull it out. I will scroll down, it might make you dizzy too to look. Here is where he gets to he says, the picture looks bleak for the president. As he spoke thursday, gop strategist, karl rove noted that it is impossible or all but impossible for him, President Trump, to come back in enough states to is the election. At one point in the conversation the president seemed to consider and then reject the idea of losing. In his conversation he said i am a guy who realizes, five days ago i said, maybe, pausing for but now i see evidence and we have hundreds of affidavits. The Senate Majority leader commented several times on the ongoing legal efforts by the Trump Campaign. This is a third or fourth time the president has alleged Election Fraud without proof. You did it during the 2016 primaries, after the 2016 general election, and he is doing it now. Why do you continue to indulge him . What i am going to do here in the senate is concentrate on the business that we have left to do, which i mentioned a while ago. The omnibus appropriation bill, may be another coronavirus package. And let the president ial election go through the various stages that it goes through and that the constitution. There will be apparently litigation. Those cases will be decided, and then the Electoral College will meet and will have the inauguration, but i am going to concentrate on what were trying to do here in the remainder of this congress. Was there any fraud in your senate race or any senate race that you know of . Was there any fraud in your senate race or anys and it race that you know of any senate race that you know of . Sen. Graham i dont know. At the risk of bragging, it wasnt very close. [laughter] host majority leader Mitch Mcconnell. Our question for you, should President Trump continue with his losses . In schenectady, new york, david on the republican line. Caller thank you so much for having me. This is a tough time we are living in especially here in upstate new york. We have king cuomo. He is really locking us down. Our streets are ghost towns at night. Magically, covid numbers are through the roof again. What a horrible time. The election, everyone thinks that biden is coming in to make everything better. He has already got the Electoral College up, wrong. Magic. Pfizer waited to say that they had the vaccine until after the election, then when they thought that biden was going to win this thing, they magically have it ready to go. 90 ready, we are going to send it out. Now all of this litigation comes out. Now all of a sudden people are back on their heels and it is going back up again. The numbers are spiking because the people really want to know what happened. I am going to give a fact for my own family, my grandmother. 86 years old. Allegany county, pennsylvania. Great person, dead. But she voted. My grandmother voted in allegheny county. My father is already done their going to take care of business. He has lawyers. This has to stop now. Host how did you find out she had voted . Caller my father went online, because when all this stuff happened, everyone is talking about proof, proof, proof. So i cant say it on the myio, but just for giggles, dad went on the pennsylvania border registration website and found out that punched in all my grandmothers information and found out that she sent in her mailin ballot for this years election, in 2020. So my father got a hold of the election board in pennsylvania and they are taking it from there. They are signing affidavits and everything. They have to bring down her death certificate. It is absolutely disgusting that people are blind to this. Do they not remember in 2016 when the democrats were the ones talking about fraud . Russia . Missing with her election . Now all of a sudden since the tables have turned, now it is trump doing it . The swamp is deep. Re,mp came in the disrupted all their money flow. They have been trying to get him out with everything they can. They need him out. But everyone who is suffering is us. Host lets hear from miriam in South Carolina. Caller this is mary in South Carolina. , i woulding because say to President Trump, never, never concede. I am not republican or democrat, but i have been watching this. My husband is a koreanvietnam vet. I am a widow. He went through korea and vietnam. He was a wilderness ranger, a river ranger with the force service. We had boy scouts river ranger with the forest service. We had boy scouts. We picked up trash on the highway just like they were doing yesterday. Protrump. This liberal man that has been i guess you would say sanctuary states or whatever you call them, that is a ploy. It is a ploy to undermine what President Trump is trying to do. He is trying to secure our nation. He is trying to beef up our defense system, and he is trying to secure our borders to keep the illegal Drug Trafficking and other things from coming through. I have been watching it since 2016, and every time President Trump tries to do anything, there is a roadblock. And you know darn well who is doing the roadblock. Host to your point, you dont think the president should concede that all, is there any danger in any political race if the incumbent, the person who loses, not conceding . Caller never. Because he did not lose. He did not lose. In reality, he did not lose. Host what if the legal results in the end of this do show that he lost those races . Caller results will show it because everyone of them are liberal, biased people. Host to our democrats , we will hear from roslyn in Washington State to our democrats line, we will hear from roslyn in Washington State. Caller thanks for taking my call. I have a couple of thoughts, and one of them is about the voting. Trump, ando with when he went out those last three or four days and he went to all of those different states , his words to his people was, dont mail in your ballot. Do not mail in your ballot. Go in person. Yay. So on the day of voting on november 3, trump wanted to have the voting stopped when the polls closed. He said that nothing that comes after thebe voted votes were completed at the end of the night, which would be 8 00 as it went across the United States. What most people probably didnt even realize was that the mailin ballots in practically every state had to be separated and most states did not allow untilunt to even start the following morning. So on of those ballots that were there, those are the ones that just magically appeared. They were mailin ballots that were valid. They were legal. They were there before 8 00 on november 3. Trump has continued to say that it is illegal he actually is putting out the false news. I watched some of the parade stuff that was going on for President Trump, and he deserves accolades and parades and flags flying and all of that stuff, but really, i was just saddened when i saw him in his speciale and all of his services guarding him on the way to voting pardon me, on the way to golf. So what was sad was that all of these people were there supporting trump, and he walks through and he waves and thank you, thank you, that kind of thing, which only aggravates people throughout the United States. It doesnt matter if you are republican, democrat, or who you are, i actually had to shed tears tonight listening to the feel with how sad i what is going on with our america. I am just disheartened. I cant believe how petty everything is going right now. Thatt feel so sad something is dividing us and we need to stop and think realistically. Put some facts out there that show how the voting actually went and why those quotes were all in the morning i mean, i am not host correct me if i am wrong, Washington State, your state does all of the elections by mail, correct . Caller that is correct. Host have there been problems with that over the years . Caller there have not. There may have been in the beginning, a few, but it was never enough to cause any problems. There was a time when they actually had to put their own stamps on them and mail them back in, and that deterred people from sending in their ballot. Host thanks for calling in this morning. A couple of comments on twitter about our conversation this morning there is no requirement for the president to concede or say anything about the election. Michael says and we stop saying things like an american, this isnt us, and we are better than this . Look at the history of this country, what has been done here and around the world. We have to recognize this is exactly who we are. Our topic this first hour on the continuing loss of should the Trump Campaign our topic this first hour is on the continuing lawsuits. Should the Trump Campaign continue with its legal efforts . Paper,ite in this lawyers from two major firms have backed out of helping trumps efforts inside the white house. Some officials have grown pessimistic about the legal effort, according to people who have spoken to them. Officially the Trump Campaign has said it will fight on despite the losses. Every state has different laws and therefore different approaches. We are still determined to ensure every legal vote is counted, and every illegal vote is not. Fried from pennsylvania on the republican line. Good morning. Caller good morning. When headlines start out with trump falsely claims, and there is no evidence. There is no evidence because it was destroyed. There is no signature match required in my state. Judiciary changed the rules in the middle of the election. If this is not resolved in the courts, the people of this country will never accept the results. And as far as Everything Else goes, we have been called every name in the book for four years, and were tired of it. Whoopi goldberg says get over it, suck it up. Has she got ten over it yet . She hasnt gotten over 2016. That is a lie have to say. Host in california, anthony. Caller this is anthony from california. I just want to say everybody out there who is worried about what is going on, i believe the Supreme Court will justify it all in the end, and trump will be elected again for a second term. Host ok. To margaret in texas. Margaret on the independent line. Hi, there. Caller good morning. Texas. Errville, what amazes me, the people who are saying there was fraud act as if all these Elections Officials in every state are all democrats. They are not. The ones who are saying it is the cleanest election we have ever had, a lot of them are republican Election Officials. I cannot understand people who dont look at the fact, that just kind of have their own reality. Like one woman said before me, it disturbed me a lot seeing trump go through in his ,imousine amongst those people when he was going to the golf course. And they were cheering him. Problems, with all the in this country, especially the pandemic, all of these people dying because we dont have any werenal policy, why they not hollering to him, go back and go to work. Go to work and do something instead of going to the golf course. And also, i hate to say this, i agree with a muchearlier caller who said that so many of the Trump Supporters, the trumpism group remind him of jones. Of. Is what i have thought it is like a called. Those dust it is like a it is like a cult. Those poor people who went to the country and drank the koolaid. These people dont seem to drink rationally, and if they would just look at trumps record even before he went into the presidency as a business man, his family, his father, and his record in business. What they did to little people, to the contractors, to their creditors. To put it bluntly, how they screwed them over time because the trump family could afford at that time the lawyers who could get them out of the bankruptcies, the bankruptcies, without them losing any money. It was their workers and their contractors that paid for all of his bankruptcy. Host we were showing you video moments ago of the rally at Freedom Plaza. They marched to the Supreme Court. A good bit of that we covered yesterday here on cspan. You can find that on cspan. Org, the video from yesterdays rally in washington, d. C. A couple of news items from the hill on twitter. Castding to lou dobbs Election Results as effort to deny trump what is rightfully his. On that rally, the hill with some of their video watched violence erupt between Trump Supporters and counterprotesters. That happened last night. 20 people arrested, according to police. Several Police Officers injured as well. In the hill this morning, the headline this trump is a little results. Over election and adviser to President Trump said the president is a little grouchy over results of the election. During the interview with the advisor on his radio show on wabc, moore expressed optimism trump would get reelected despite almost every media outlet calling the race for biden. Quote, trump really didnt deserve to be elected, and he when webe reelected count every vote. Biden was projected to win on the 2020 election earlier this month after the former Vice President clinched the crucial swing state in pennsylvania. John in pennsylvania on the democrats line. John . Caller how are you doing, thanks for having me on. Getting back to that caller there was complaining about fox from florida, i mean, youve got one conservative channel. The rest of the media, even you, cspan, bloomberg news, all of you are against him. You had here in pennsylvania major fraud. You had the Supreme Court in pennsylvania changing the rules for election day, ok . When have we ever had to wait this long to find the results of an election . After this, major outbreaks. So it didnt prove anything to mailin your ballot, unsolicited mailin ballots. Have a friend i who works at the nursing home and the nursing home director said we will make sure everyone of these mentally incompetent people vote democrat. They got caught in pennsylvania. You say he is still up by 40,000 or 50,000, so that makes it all right . If a casino gets caught cheating on a specific table or a couple of tables, they dont say we will shut down this table and you can go back to gambling in the rest of the casino. They are investigated. Host what have the investigations yielded so far in pennsylvania on allegations of dead people voting . Things like that . Has that turned any votes for the president . Caller heres the thing, we were winning pennsylvania wednesday morning. After the election. He was up by almost 700,000 votes. Can you tell me how they erased 700,000 votes legitimately . As far as getting back to this fox news thing, cnn had a woman woman,e, an iranian who said his administration is comparable to the holocaust. Christine m and for christine amanpour, this woman should be taken off the air. I am not even jewish and i am incensed about this. Host in pennsylvania on the republican line the president had a rally near your town, correct, dwight . Caller yes. Host go ahead with your comment . Caller i think all the writein ballots should not be no more. It should all be, people go to the polling place or they dont vote. And i also think that after this is through the court, trump will win. Host this is a look at 60 minutes obama says trumps base less Election Fraud claims put democracy on a dangerous path. The former president , barack obama, will be on 60 minutes tonight. We will show you a sample of that in just a moment. Amelia ina oklahoma. Caller i belong to trump. We all like trump. One thing only, if he takes mic check, i will take him to court if he takes my check, i will take him to court. You need to get out of there. We need trump back. He is our President Trump. And i dont like the devil, whatever, he needs to get out of there. Because they are all liars. Let me tell you one thing. I can tell you one thing only, i remember when she toward those papers at trump on tv. It was on tv. If you dont like it how i say it, i dont care because i am proud of my trump. Because that is the true, that she did tear those papers up. And killed the animals. Turned his hip results. They said we dont want turned his emperors off. We didnt even turned his papers off. And we are not going to get our check that we get every month . Host we go to our next caller in North Carolina. What do you think about the continuing lawsuits about the election . Caller thank you for taking my call. I am so amazed at how people are talking especially the last lady that just spoke. Dont do amp concession, it doesnt matter. The thing is, they keep saying it is fraud. Everything has been proven that it was no fraud. Thinking,ple to start all of my republicans that is calling in and saying that, but they are just listening to all these tweets. It is like trump got them all brainwashed. They looked at all this stuff about dead people. They had a list and checked it. Here in our county, i have worked inside the voter place as an observer, and they are talking about, oh, they cant get close to the vote to see it. Youre not supposed to be there, to be anywhere near those ballots. Observe. Ust there to that is why the have the elections people do that, republican and democrat. They need to cut this silly stuff out. I just pray for this country to come back together. A lot of them need to go back to school and learn civics and about elections, because they dont know what they are talking about. Host in new york city, kay on our democrats line, go ahead. Caller thank you for taking my call. I am a little disappointed in the question youre asking, which is should trump continue election lawsuits . The question should actually be, how can he continue election lawsuits . You have touched on it briefly before, but there are two major law firms who have represented trump for many years, and if there were any ballot grounds whatsoever for fraud, as law firms would be bringing those litigations. As you mentioned, both those law firms have withdrawn from representing mr. Trump. So there is no one left to bring a lawsuit on his behalf because those lawyers understand and kno w, and i am a lawyer, but bringing frivolous lawsuits is unethical, and they cannot violate their code of ethics. I feel this question is generating these trolls this morning that are very heated and unfortunate. I really think it would help for the American People to understand if you perhaps could have representatives, lawyers from those two major firms who represented mr. Trump for many years on your show to explain why they are no longer representing him. Host appreciate your input. This is a tweet focusing on georgia for a second, a political reporter for the atlanta journalconstitution, tweeting this morning President Trump and his allies are continuing to spread false claims about the giorgia recount, attacking the process conducted by members of his own party at his request. A headline that goes with that this is from the, ajc this morning georgias recount integrity faces attacks yesterday at the rally. Demonstrators the most fitting against the Election Results yesterday in atlanta. Falseorter writing, claims about the giorgia recount on saturday, attacking a process conducted by members of the president s own party at his request. Some georgia republicans including the governor declined allegations,ps but at the republicans like former representative Newt Gingrich advanced trumps claims and rightwing Media Outlets amplified the message. A commentator on the website describes the giorgia recount, a ballot by ballot review of nearly 5 million votes that entered its second day on saturday as a sham, a hoax and a fix. In ay ross an Statement Released by the secretary of states office, raffenberger did not mention trump by name. The attack came after National News organizations called georgia in favor of president joe biden. He beat trump by 14,122 votes, becoming the first democrat to carry the state since 1992. Jean is in miami, florida, on the republican line. Go ahead. Caller good morning. Thank you for having me on. As far as the people that are ead because the president rod through the march on his limo, they need to keep in mind that he is not drawing a salary, and he is, i believe, the second of all the president s that have done this, with all due respect. S an educator for the lady that said we needed to learn civics, i learned civics. I am a teacher, and i know that this election has been a fraud. It has been stolen. And yes, i believe that he investigations should go on and the election has been stolen, and i feel right now, shamefully so, that why should i vote if it is all a fraud . Host what is it that makes you feel, as if former civics teacher, that this election has been stolen . Caller i didnt say maybe i misspoke, but i am a former civics teacher. I said i am a teacher. And i did take civics. Host ok. So why do you think the election has been stolen . Caller because its been proven that a lot of the ballots were dumpsters,found in people voting overseas. I have friends that have voted overseas that feel that they have enough evidence that their votes have not been counted. Dead people have voted. There is a lot of fraud. So there needs to be an investigation at least to put us a piece or at ease to put us at peace, or at ease that it is worth to vote in the United States. I dont want to live in a socialist, much less communist country, especially when my family has fought communism. My uncle fought in the congo against communism. As well as my grandfather and my me. Ins before host to the independent line, donna is in st. Louis. Good morning. Caller good morning. Trump said all along that he was going to win. [laughter] and if you didnt win, it was rigged. In his sick mind he was winning no matter what. You have to think maybe he knew he was going to rig it somehow himself. And you wait until all the votes are counted before you Start Talking about a rigged election anyway. Secondly, hillary won by 3 million popular votes and lost the electoral vote. She accepted the loss. Million votes5 and lost the Electoral College to boot, and he is crying like a baby. The biggest sore loser i have ever seen. Thirdly, why is he so desperate . Because he is over 4 million in debt, we finally learn from some of his tax papers. And the banks, and or russia, want their money. He is facing several lawsuits, including his former lawyer who slammerime in the for things trump ordered or paid him to do. Lastly, i hope we see steve scully back soon. I mean, you are doing a great job, but we want to see him back. He belongs there. You. Host this is from the sunday opinion page of Washington Post by the two attorneys involved in the recount. And the argument before the Supreme Court of bush beat gore in 2000. We clashed in bush v gore, now we agree that biden won. Us byrite, it is clear to now and to most americans that form of Vice President biden won, included in the six states central to the challenges being mounted by President Trumps lawyers. The margins in those states range from 10,000 votes in arizona, to more than 145,000 in michigan. Evidence or systemic or widespread fraud or misconduct in those states has not been found. And recounts rarely if ever change the outcome of an election by more than a few votes. They write trump would have to overturn the outcomes in more than one of those states to change what is apparent as the clear result of the election. It is time to accept that biden won the election. Time to accept the results and come together as a nation. In vero beach, florida, welcome. Caller hello. I am calling in because i feel like, yes, he needs to stop all his lawsuits regarding the election, and to the teacher from miami, which is also not yea, people should be upset that he was on his way to the golf course. It doesnt matter whether he got paid or he is getting paid or not, he is there to do a job. Whether he is the president going out or the president going in. The same sense that biden is trying his hardest to get prepared for his presidency, we should expect trump to still be working. If he wants to fight for the presidency, he should be working. We need to see him actually do some work. But we have to remember that we are better together. And move forward. If you didnt get who you wanted this time, in four years, you can try again. We live in a beautiful country that we have to get back to the beauty of our country, of knowing how to work together, knowing that we all have a voice , and an opportunity to speak. We are better than our behavior it now. That is all i have to say. Host thank you, teresa. President trump moments ago about the election, talking about joe biden, he says he won to cause the election was rigged. Vote watchers were observers allowed. Equipment that could not even qualify for texas, which i won by a lot. The fake and seventh media, and more. Inopinion piece towncalled. Com just published this morning trump has pathway to victory. You are about to learn a lesson in trump rules. Saying, let me predict this election is far from over. Donald trump will neither give up or give in. He will take the fight to a level no one in politics has ever seen. I see a clear and reasonable pathway for trump to overturn the results for a stunning election. Let me get to what he writes as a pathway forward he is saying this, i see a pathway to victory. I know trump sees it too. With alaska in the bag, trump has 217 electoral votes. With North Carolina, trump has 232. There are many paths to a georgia, nevada, or wisconsin. In a combination of those two puts trump at 259. If the Supreme Court has tipped its hand, they would rule that any votes brought in after election day would be thrown out. Trump is president again. Read that at townhall. Com. In georgia on the republican line, go ahead. Caller hi, i wanted to point out something here. I think trump should continue with his struggle, if you want to call it that. I wanted to give you an example of why. My sister resides in new jersey. And she received five mailin ballots, one for her and her husband, and three for her children, one for each of her three children. The only problem with that is her three children do not reside in the state of new jersey, and they havent resided in the state of new jersey for 15 years. My sister threw those ballots out. However, somebody as group of us could have filled those out and subdomain and they would have been counted as legitimate votes. Somewhere along and i think this occurred everywhere, ok . The other thing is the attorney you had from new york, that mentioned that trumps law firms have left him in everything and he has no ethical or legal basis, look at pennsylvania, which you just mentioned, judge to said to segregate the votes that came in late after election day because there is a possibility they would not be counted. If they are not counted, what are these people going to do in a case like that . Trump saying this all the mechanical glitches that took place on Election Night were them getting caught trying to steal votes. They succeed in plenty without getting caught. Mailin elections are a sick joke. The Washington Post price this morning what happened the Trump Campaign and the Republican National committee and the arizona gop stepped in with another argument. The lawsuit in arizona said the machines had repeatedly detected people appearere to have accepted multiple candidates in the same race. And pushed voters to push a green button. No ballot is counted in an overbloated race. The loss of said invalidated over votes would prove determinate in trumps bid for reelection and assad to block certification of arizona results. Biden is winning arizona by about 10,000 votes. We are not alleging anyone stealing the elections, a Trump Campaign lawyer saying thursday adding that the allegation here is there were goodfaith errors in operating machines that should result in further review of ballots. They write that state county officials in arizona have said there is no truth to rumors that ballots filled out with a sharpie do not cause problems in Voting Machines. That did not affect anyones votes. The Arizona Attorney general, a said. Ican on friday, the lawyer officially give up on his claims that the sharpie allegation could flip the results of the result in arizona, saying the point was moot. Falls, minnesota, we hear from steve next. No head. Go ahead. Caller yes. Host steve, make sure you knew your volume and then go ahead with your comment. Caller yes. Yes, i really do believe trump should continue fighting for this. I have known several people that have received several votes where they have their children who do not even live with them, votes for them. And they dont even live in the same household as them. That they could have sent in, and that would have given biden those votes. The other thing is taking a look at what trump has done. He has done several things with china. How much billions of dollars were saved . They are keeping biden in there and he has even said they have got all sorts of data and the same thing is going to happen, we are going to end up not collecting money that is owed by all of these different countries, especially china. Its ridiculous. I think trump should keep fighting for this and i hope he does go through for reelection. Ike in missouri, democrat line. Yes. Ive been a democrat registered for a long time. Hypocritical today, you have had a lot of democrats on today saying that we need to of all the hatred and move on, and that he should stop. I dont think you should stop. I have gotten videos that i have got of cnn where has in the topend corner, the boats that in the bottom, they had the boats that were coming in. I watched with my own eyes when it changed and they had taken votes away. I cant remember which ones they were. Top, cnn had what it was. You dont lose votes in the election but it was the exact same number they took from the republicans and gave them to the democrats. And yet we dont have fraud, no evidence. Withlike these people said electoral ballots. Right there. Those were use in instances where it has been proven. I really dont think people are just to sign an affidavit because they are under. They are not going to put their freedom in jeopardy for the country. Host we can take a couple more calls on the opening topic this morning. Charles in fort collins, colorado, what are your thoughts . Like tofirst, i would start off on the 2016 election. Straight from Donald Trumps mouth that he said this election is going to be a fraud unless i win. I mean, i think people need to take a step back on all this. Is he saying that all these people out there who are counting these votes in all these states, that have their that because they voted for biden, is fraudulent . Mean, im 61, i have seen a lot of elections. This is just a regular election. Donald trump just instead of being gracious and magnanimous and accepting of his loss and going to runs just that out of there. Stuff, this conspiracy all this fraud, i could see if it was 200 votes, 300. But its 10,000 votes, 20,000 votes. You could count until the cows come home and statistically, he would never, ever overturn a state like michigan, pennsylvania, georgia, or arizona. It is just not going to happen. Is dangerous. This is a danger to democracy. We are approaching authoritarianism. Thank you. Chesapeake, virginia, bruce is on a democratic line, go ahead. Caller hey there. I appreciate the last in 2016. s comments, i really dont think trump won that election, but im glad that the democrats or the people who opposed them did not make a mockery of our system and the way that trump and his followers are. Respecthe has a lack of for the intelligence of his followers that he put some of these Little Things that get them all riled up. A ballot here and a dumpster thesef ballots here, things may all have happened, but i really would not believe that this is what the country what made the country decide the time is up. We didnt elected the first time. We didnt have a conspiracy about you and russia. Opinion, colorado, he hit it on the nose. I hope that we can get past this but this guy is just causing more problems than he is helping. I hope everybody that follows and enjoys this, but we need to get past this and come together because last nights events in d. C. Is just a small little picture of how vile the can these people. Likeit begins, it is not it called timeout. Factlly, truly respect the that the democrats were whoever, bertie, did not do this in 2016. Bernie. Its over, sir. Thanks for that. This is a reporting in the New York Times on yesterdays rally in d. C. Thousands rally in washington, d. C. As clashes erupt. The president s limousine waving to the crowd. The thousands of supporters of trump protesting the outcome of the election on saturday, earning a brief driveby visit from the president himself. The demonstrations devolved into violence as the night wore on. The police made 20 arrests including four on gun charges. One person was stabbed and his condition was unknown by saturday. For most of the day, however, the crowds were under control and many greeted the president with cheers as he passed by in his motorcade as he headed to his private golf club in virginia. We will go to freddie in North Carolina. With your call or comments. Yeah, trump should not give up the fight. Klan ofe new ku klux the democrat party. Host there is more ahead on washington journal. We will change for our next segment and be joined by American Public health George Benjamin who will be here to discuss the u. S. Response to the coronavirus pandemic. The use ofon q a, big data and new Surveillance Technology by law enforcement. I think the police have long been collecting their own data and information, and what is happening now in the digital age is that the police are increasingly collecting information on all these folks who have no direct criminal justice contacts, and part of that has to do with the variety things fromf the 3 big data. They are using tools like automatic license plate readers, where you dont have to get pulled over by the police in order for your data to be put into their system. That kind of information is also being used. Tonight at 8 00 eastern on cspans q a. Watch indepth with author and share American American studies live sunday, december 6. His most recent books include , exodus n democracy is black, and an uncommon faith. Watch indepth sunday, december 6 on book tv, cspan2. Washington journal continues. Host we are joined by dr. Georges benjamin, executive director of the American Public Health Association to talk about the latest coronavirus pandemic and what may be ahead. Dr. Benjamin, welcome to washington journal. Guest good morning, thank host you for having me. Tell us about your organization. Professional a society of people who are interested in Public Health. Weve been around since 1872 and the 500,000present or so people who practice Public Health. All of dealing with covid today. The country is obviously in the midst of a ramping up pandemic across the country. The numbers are getting bigger, the daily case count numbers are getting bigger, 184,000 on friday. Affirming i think with many of you, many professionals including yourself have predicted back in the summer. What do you see as the path ahead, do you see these numbers going up . What is the biggest thing we have to tackle here . Know that viruses always get worse in the fall. Traditional, highly predictable readings. We did not know what would happen for sure, but we knew it would get worse. The word is contained. It is wellestablished. Is wearing a mask, good hygiene by keeping your hands clean. Keeping yourself physically distant from one another. And of course, when we get a vaccine that is safe and effective, we can add that. Areright now, what we have those principles that we have to practice. Each and every one of them. Host and so far, we have not seen any impact yet of the current flu season, correct . Guest the flu season is just starting. We have not seen it in full force. We have seen some peaks around january and february. We have not seen the flu on top of this in any meaningful way yet. Host what about the states that are now imposing further restrictions on the numbers that can be in restaurants, in stores and things like that . Is that the right move . Guest it is absolutely the right move. We have learned some things. Large numbers of people put more people at risk. We have identified situations with activities or businesses that also put you at risk. Bars can usually be very crowded. Gaining halls are crowded, sporting events are crowded. Youre always going to have more infections like that. Host the president elect has named a coronavirus advisory team. Are some ofthink the first steps that the new administration has to take in adjusting to the pandemic . Is allat this point, it about gaining Situational Awareness of what is going on and planning. Planning for the failure that we did not do with a particular outbreak any meaningful way. Get a good Contact Tracing plan. Seeing through what we are going to do with the vaccine when it is available. Doing a better job of educating the public so we can get better response about mask wearing and physical distancing. Figure out how best to lay out those plans and then share them in a unified way. Americans in general will follow it. Host our cast as the executive director of the American Public Health Association, here to talk with us about the pandemic and what may be ahead. We welcome your calls and comments. Eastern and central time zones, 202 7488000. Mountain and pacific, 202 7488001. Are medicale of you professionals, the line is 202 7488002. What do you make of the news last week that pfizer has had a paramount success with the Vaccine Development . Guest that is good news. I think we are all waiting to actually see the data from that study, but that is really good news. If just that efficacy, even it is 89 , that is a really good number. Vaccine, 90 of us will be protected at some level. What we dont know is how protected people will be. Do you get not sick at all, or do you get a little sick . That remains to be seen. See the present administration has developed operation warp speed and the creation and the distribution of the vaccine. How do you see that working . 20 vaccine is available and widely available, who get vaccinated first, and how do you see that logistically happening among the states . Does this have to be driven from the federal level or do the states have to each take it on themselves . Guest of course, the fence did to provide federal leadership, they need to be very much involved in helping us purchase it and helping us with the purchase price, this is a Vaccination Campaign that will be the largest in our nation. Becausech more complex at least a couple of the vaccine have to be stored at very, very low temperatures. We dont have the equipment, the refrigerators to do that. It is going to require the use of dry ice, something that quite frankly, most people dont have. It is going to be a big logistical challenge what that really means any practical sense is that right now, the Current Administration today needs to begin to more effectively partner with the Incoming Administration so that we have a smooth handoff of the vaccine. ,ost i was going to ask you you mentioned one of the largest in our history, when with the last time that the nation saw a nationwide Vaccination Program like this . Perhaps not on this scale, but what with the most recent big vaccination push in this country . Guest the h1n1 outbreak was in influenza virus that we had. Just a few years ago. What made that very very different was that influenza comes every year. Beis a vaccine that can easily stored, easily delivered and we have a nationwide vaccination system liver that vaccine. The challenge was getting it all produced, mailed out, and getting it distributed in that way. You can get it distributed initially any really Rapid Testing way, but we eventually got the job done. It was a task. Times is new york writing about state distribution this morning. Their headline, missing from state plans to distribute the coronavirus, money to do it. Send millions to Drug Companies but a tiny fraction of that to localities for training, keeping, and other thoughts for vaccinating citizens. A picture of a long line of cars not for the vaccine, for just to get tested. The state and local Health Officers association has recommended 6. 4 billion is needed for distribution. These are the 57 state Health Officials in every state and territory in our country, and that is their thing. This is going to be a very expensive endeavor. But think about the trillions and trillions of dollars of Economic Activity that is not occurring right now. Why do you need the money . Right now, remember that the people we are asking to vaccinate are the very same class of people or group of people that are already fully engaged in fighting this outbreak right now. To have to build recording systems. This is not an easy task to do. And by the way, this is not something that you want to do when the vaccine becomes available. This is the kind of thing you want to build before you know the vaccine is available, so you can get the money right now. Host you know a lot of folks have been through a Testing Center in various states, the people who show up to make that happen, the people that check u. N. , the people that check your temperature, the people that administer the test, there are a lot of people involved justin doing the testing. I can imagine that must be twice as many involved in administering a vaccine. Guest it more complicated, and of course we will have pharmacies involved, that is great, we will have other positions involved in the doctors office. But remember that at least a couple of these vaccines require ultracold temperatures. I am talking about 80 degrees. Refrigerator for a hospital for that is somewhere around 10,000 to 20,000 per. Boxesen for these smaller that pfizer is putting together, you then have to add dry ice on top of that. So it is a process. All of those things are very, very expensive. Host we have got calls waiting period he is the executive director of the American Public Health Association. We hear from neil in los angeles. Caller good morning, thank you for taking my call. My question is regarding a couple of things. One thing, he mentioned that masks are what we need to do. Case, given the vaccine for a yearly influenza, why would masks for the last 30 years never be mentioned . The recommendations are identical to the yearly flu except for the masks. A factor inwere reducing influenza, why wasnt that ever listed, why only now . Thats a good question. For many years, masks would not have been that effective. The reason is, let me show you. On, it isut this mask pretty droopy on the sides. You have got the air around here. People felt that it not be very effective. Also, most of us fiddle with the mask. Those of us who wear the masks know that you are more likely to contaminate yourself. It turns out that we have done a lot more studies since then and science is an evolving art. Is masksave learned are much more effective than we thought. A lot of other societies have discovered that the masks work very well. Out, the answer to your question is we were wrong. The evidence now is overwhelming that masks are effective, and you need to be wearing a mask. Host the washington New York Times published an interactive video on their site a couple weeks ago. In the paper this morning, the display, a fullpage there is how the mass products. Protection. Protects. You prevent yourself from touching her face, and you can find the video version at nytimes. Com. Troy is ageorgia, medical professional. Caller im not much of a medical professional, i worked in the lower echelons for a while. I worked as a medical librarian. It doesion about masks, not seem with what i know about the chain of infections, that we are disposing of these masks properly. Setting, when a mask is presumed to be contaminated, it is discarded in a red bag. Certainly, we are not doing that. I have seen masks in parking lots. Im carrying my mask back and forth in my pocket. Carrying a potential pathogen on an inanimate object. I havent heard anybody talk about this. Iden, one of his appointees andhed on it a little bit that was about Wearing Masks and the polarization politicalization of it. We would not carry toilet paper around, i thought that was a good analogy. I would be interested to hear what the good doctor has to say about this, the proper disposal of ppe. Obviously, there are disposable masks and you should throw those away. And therstand that, caller rightfully points out, that there are really three ways that you get infected. One is the droplets, those are the large particles that come out of your mouth and nose when you cough, sing, talk. Particlesreally fine that come out of your orifices that kind of float in the air. They can also settle on surfaces. And if i touch a doorknob or a table, and then someone comes from behind me and touches that doorknob or table and then touches their mouth or nose, they can contaminate himself. What is interesting about this virus, despite studies that have shown that the virus can be hours, it several turns out that this is basically a piece of genetic material inside a piece of fat. It is very, very fragile. The amount of things that kill it, routine cleaning, mr. Clean. Pick a household detergent that cleans, soap and water. Thats why washing your hands is so effective. The truth of the matter is that even though we dont properly dispose of these things like we probably want to, very rapidly the virus is not active on that. Is that 100 . Of course not. If you are in a health care setting, you have to be much, much more fastidious. We dispose of them in a variety of ways. Incineration is a common way to do that. That is how we handle infectious waste. You have one of those disposable masks, you should dispose of it. Be inactive in just a matter of hours. And if you have one of those cloth masks, you wash it frequently. You go out every day and you do things. You wash your mask like you wash your clothes. Put it in the laundry and wash it. Host lets hear from john in indiantown, florida. Caller thanks for my call. A couple questions. 7 first one, the cdc gets billion per year every year for this type of thing. At this point, they are only now figuring out how masks work or dont work. Is, i want tong know if this came out of a lab, i know it came out of the university of North Carolina and was shipped to the wuhan province. Werent all why these labs padlocked immediately with the doctors inside that have been working on this for years, and then figure out what they did, get their papers, get all the information, and figure out what this is. Drug, itve a cancer takes four years and eight months to get approval. Vaccines have no time limit. Now you are going to try to vaccine the world in less than a year of trials . This is insanity at its best. Guest three questions. Cdction number one, the does have about 7 billion, it is woefully underfunded. It doesnt just use that money diseases, it needs that money for things like injury. I can tell you, i used to practice, i have not practiced in many years, but they are woefully underfunded. We need to dramatically increase the money and will we understand now is that if we have worked much harder on the testing and Contact Tracing, we would not have to spend these millions and millions of dollars. Secondly, this did not come out of a lab in the United States. We dont understand all of what happened, but we believe it is a virus that came out of the environment, and infected people. This is not uncommon, we see this all the time. The first place it showed up was wuhan, china. Market, where you have live animals, you sell food, cooked and uncooked. It is really a challenge in those places because you have mixing of people, animals, all the diseases that they bring with them. Is a place fort these kind of diseases to emerge. The interesting thing is this is in the family of coronavirus. Researchers around the world coronavirus is, by the way, is a family of viruses from the. Ommon cold, for sars the first we had several years ago. Weve been working on a vaccine for coronavirus for many, many, many years. What that means is we knew that the spiky thing, that blue thing that looks like sonic the hedgehog, that spiky thing was a part of the virus that your body reacted to. Thingsthe most important is to figure out what part of the virus makes your body react. So they already knew that. They also have been doing a lot of work with sars virus. A lot of people have kind of shelved their research projects. When they saw the sars virus emerging, everybody dusted off their projects and started working. And webegin doing it have Global Cooperation around the whole world in ways we have never really had. Latest count on covid19 pandemic in the United States, the u. S. Leading the world with number of cases, nearly 11 million cases reported in the u. S. As of this morning. 200 45,614 debts. Onlahassee, this is gene medical professionals line. Morning. Caller good morning, thank you for taking my call. Thething i want to say is democrats are behind this. They are in with china, they hate donald trump so much they want him to go to hell. Thank you. Host bruce in monroe, North Carolina. Thank you. Caller i would like to start off this way and i dont mean to sir,srespectful to anyone, you sit on here with the doctors here and what you are attempting to do is dabble everybody with brilliance but unfortunately, i can see through. You are really battling everybody. In the beginning, when this thing started, one doctor said one thing, they even changed. You stood up here and started talking about masks. This is the United States of america. Aka americans. They dont listen. Americans will do what they want to do. They are going to do what they want to do, you cant force then, you cant make them. They are not going to listen if you tell them to wear a mask. If dr. Fauci tell them dont wear a mask, they are not going to wear it. We dont listen from washington, d. C. All the way down to the streets. People dont listen, and we know that. So we have to do what is best. If it is a vaccine, whatever. Before,entleman call why havent we been Wearing Masks for 30 years . Because people are not going to do it. You sit up here and you act with all this intelligence like people are going to go through and do this stuff, but it is not going to happen. America has to understand, things happen. They are going to happen. Unless something comes about. What we need to do is stop trying to act like we can fix stuff. We cannot. Why . Because of this thing called people. People are ignorant. Host dr. Benjamin, any thoughts . Caller. Understand the smoking,seatbelts, not you know, we all wear pants, dresses, cover ourselves. There are places where you dont have to do that. Smart, thenot very callers absolutely right. What we need to do is make sure that people understand that wearing a mask is cool. And we need to make it cool. We need to convince people that if you wear the mask, is a good bit of personal responsibility, because you are not only protecting me from you, you are protecting you from me. We need to continue to message, and we need to convince people. The caller is right, we will not but we needrybody, to convince enough people of the appropriateness of doing that. I can tell you that when i go out, i do see more and more people Wearing Masks and i think it is a civic responsibility. I encourage people to do it. And i vote with my feet if people wont wear a mask around the. Host what have you learned in the eight or nine months or so of the pandemic, that you have changed your mind about in terms of how the virus is evolving or how we respond to it . Guest a couple things, i was one of the early people who was suspicious around masks. The one thing that changed my mind was when i discovered that you had asymptomatic spread. Earlier, we talked about what changed the mind. One of the reasons was asymptomatic spread. If you are around someone who has symptoms, they need to wear a mask and we need to wear a mask around them. But it turns out when you have people that are Walking Around that can spread the disease without coughing, without fever, without really feeling bad, then everyone is a potential spreader. And in that environment, you need some protection. What is the simplest protection that you can have . Wearing a mask. Mostther thing, of course, of us thought that this would be easily contained. Sars pretty quickly, very few debts in our country. It turns out this disease is a heck of a lot more lethal and a he can a lot more spread a lot easier than we thought. That helped to change my mind on how long were going to have this disease around. And that is really what has been a heartbreaker for me. Vaccine is on track for where we think it might be, when the uc, as of this point, reserving the right to change her mind, where do you see things easing up in the country . Easily Second Quarter of next year. Right before the summer. I think we will be returning to whatever our new normal is. Early fall next year. Organization, big we bring together 13 or 14,000. This year, we had to have our meeting remotely. We are hoping to the able to have at least a hybrid meeting with some people facetoface next year in the fall. And we know that everyone wont be able to make it for a variety of reasons. The rest can do it online. N lets go to ned, idaho. Caller good morning, guys. I live in one of the counties that was hit hardest, right behind new york. We actually have one of the secondhighest rate of spread. Afterwards, they did a study on my community. They determined that we had 35 exposure rate. People that tested positive with the antibodies, and we have not had a problem with the virus surging again here since. While it has been blowing up across the other states. Conducted by the Albany College pharmacy. Hope might be some sort of that it is not as bad as it might be, i dont know. The whole mask midday and all that is just completely nonexistent here. Host let me just go back to our caller from idaho, the governor mobilizing the National Guard for his role backstage to as covid19 cases swell in that state. Dr. Benjamin . Guest we are still seeing those. One of the things that we have to be very, very careful we dont do is give a false sense of security. We are at the country, we are huge. We have almost three and 30 Million People across a huge territory. We saw it in the early settings first. Now it is raging in the rural communities. You have many cases, smaller hospitals. Less providers to really help them operate. And Smaller Health apartments, i might add. What we need to do is not lit our guard down. Know that respiratory diseases increase in the fall season. We have two of the holidays. Thanksgiving and christmas. Oftenes get together and get together from all around the country. Disaster,recipe for because people are going to come together from various places. The risk of getting infected along the way, we know right now get the greatest risk to into that infected potentially in your own household. Those are the kinds of challenges that we have. We should maintain the tools that we know work. Wearing a mask, washing our hands, keeping her distance. We need to think about how we are going to do thanksgiving as a family and christmas is a family without spreading disease to our loved ones and also our jobs, employers, they have got to think very thoughtfully. As all of us are trying to get our organizations back to work. The New York Times, the right of Public Health apartments already strained by a pandemic that has overrun hospitals and drained budgets are racing to expand online systems to track and share information about who has been vaccinated. Thousands of doctors, nurses, and pharmacist to give people the shot. And to convince the public of the importance of getting immunized on the vaccination front in texas. The governor said this in a statement, that swift distribution of vaccines and medical treatments would begin to heal those suffering from covid19, slow the spread of the virus, and aid in reducing hospitalizations and actions. We anticipate the arrival of the covid19 vaccine and treatment. The state of texas is prepared to quickly distribute those medicines to texans who voluntarily choose to use them. Quickly, what other states do you know that are pretty much ready for or getting close to ready for vaccination distribution . Guest california, certainly. Marilyn certainly is. New maryland certainly is. New york. Have risenstates plans, they were asked to do so by the government. We expect the details with those plans put together very quickly. I think the challenge is, again, the logistics of doing this. The vaccines dont require just one shot, they require two shots. If you get a shot in your home state and then for some reason, you need to go to another place, they need to be able to track you to give you your second shot. And that is going to happen. For thepeople go away winter. That is going to be a big challenge. And then getting people back civil to get the second shot. People get the first one, and then they will get the second shot. Host lets get a few more calls. Fill in venice, florida. Go ahead. You on the air . Caller yes, i. Two things. I was wondering if the organization that the doctor represents receives any taxpayer funding. Guest we do. We have some grants from the federal government. We dont have any dollars that im aware of right now. Number two, when the term mask gets thrown around, it is kind of useless unless the mask is defined as almost an unlimited number of masks. I have to know what mask you are talking about. How they should be worn. How long they should be worn. And how they should be disposed. And by the way, the last mask package ira reid, the instructions said it is not for use against viruses. So its very confusing about masks. I will listen now. I dont know obviously which mask you looked at, they may very well have some wrong information, but it turns out that they are effective against particularly the covid 2 virus. Right now we have discovered that the cotton mask is much more effective than we thought. Is the besthe 95 thing to do, it is a very tight mask that we use in a hospital setting. It turns out the cotton masks are very effective. Majority of people get infected because somebody within a six foot distance from them is infected and they are around them long enough that they get the droplets or aerosol particles. Way most people get infected. You stay at home all by yourself and you dont get infected. But life is not like that, as you know. Reducinglking about your risk of getting infected. 80 of the people who get infected even then dont get very sick. Do, all15 to 20 that of those folks have a high propensity to share that infection with others for a time. Reason we ask people wear a mask. Earl in florida, a line for medical professionals. Caller im a retired firefighter and one of the problems that i have as a first responder, we get exposed to these individuals who choose not to wear a mask, whatever illness they have, we get exposed to them first before they even go to the hospital. My issue that i have now, yesterday they talk about how they are going to implement the wear a mask system. One point that i would like to make is that they need to have a do not resuscitate order. If they have a do not that means weder, dont actually deal with them because they have made a choice, just like it is their right not to wear a mask read it should be my right for me not to get exposed to their madness. What do you think about having them have a do not resuscitate order . Guest i think the caller brings up the issue of infectious particular andn people, of course, deciding that they do not want care if they get really sick or die. Of course, that system is already in place. I actually ran the Emergency Medical Service system with the fire department, for thank you so thank you. Obviously, Infectious Disease is the issue, but it is not just covid. Vaids, hepatitisc, hi a variety of Infectious Diseases, some more easily to catch than others for first repsonders. I think we should separate this issue of dnr from the Infectious Disease issue. People need to certainly decide whether or not they want to be resuscitated based on their personal views about how much health care they want at the end of their life. And then the Infectious Disease controllers, if a person decides help, i amant pledged to help them as best i can. They pledged to protect me by giving me the personal protective equipment so that i can do my job. Host next israel grand rapids, ohio. Go ahead. Caller how are you . Guest good morning. Caller thank you very much for what you were doing this morning. Person like me who works not only in retail but also works in a highly infected area like ohio reallyovernor dewine has i appreciated really much that you are telling the truth. We needconcern is that to separate this pandemic from politics completely. Know is going to listen and comply. I can tell you right now, governor dewine has bent over backwards to try to get this done right and get the public to cooperate. I would say most people are, but i am dealing with people whose anger is beyond anger when they are confronted about this and they dont want to cooperate. Just two days ago, i had to have somebody escorted from our store which i only work on the weekends because the man was sitting here telling me well, this is not a law, this is not this. The man is launching into a political debate in a store where i am sitting here trying to do a job and serve him cigarettes, alcohol, whatever he wants. This assault on the truth of this pandemic by the current Outgoing Administration and some people on both sides of the aisle has got to stop. Host i will let you have the last word, dr. Benjamin. Guest im going to agree with him, we need to stick with the scientific talk completely and ive been watching governor dewine and i am an admirer. Oft the executive director the American Public Health Association. Thanks for being with us on washington journal once again dr. Benjamin. Guest thank you. Host more ahead on washington journal. You in theg to ask next 25 minutes or so on the legal efforts on behalf of the Trump Campaign contesting votes around the country, and should those continue . Democrats, 202 7488000. Republicans, 202 7488001. Independents, 202 7488002. A bit later on, we will be joined by max stier from the department of Public Service here to talk about his work on the center for president ial transition in his role in this and previous president ial transitions. Announcer monday night on the communicators, the 2020 election with tech reporters of the Washington Post, axios, and politico. The big issue that i am watching is how biden and his administration might try to regulate social media companies. Obviously the 2020 has been a electiont of the integrity policies that these companies have adopted over the last few years. The one thing that the Biden Administration pretty early on is going to have to figure out how to do is they are inheriting at the very least a huge antitrust lawsuit from the doj. They pointer broadband, they point to people who cant do remote learning. They point to people who are struggling to have conductivity at home to be safe sometimes. I think that is going to be a huge thing to watch in the weeks and months ahead. Washington journal continues. Eastern, we9 15 will open up our phone lines here for you on the continuing effort of the Trump Campaign in select states across the country in contesting the vote. 202 7488000, the line to call for democrats. Republicans, use 202 7488001. Independents and all others, 202 7488002. The president weighing in again this morning about the election, saying joe biden won because the election was rigged, no votewatchers or observers allowed, vote tabulated by a radical left company with a Bad Reputation and wrong equipment that could not even qualify for texas, which i one by a lot. Allhe fake in silent media, of their mechanical glitches that took place on Election Night giving them stolen votes. Mailin elections are sick. This is a picture of the Washington Post about the rally in washington. They write that President Trumps supporters celebrated as theys on saturday, gathered in washington to falsely claim that the election had been stolen in the man they adore. The crowd had even railed in a pesonal personal visit from trump that was before the people who opposed. , deliveringhowed up a message that the president s most ardent backers were unwilling to hear. The election is over. Eat refusing to accept what the other considered to be an undeniable fact. Andvists threw punches launched bottles. Arrested. 0 were the counterprotesters triggered more mayhem as they h arassed some reported. From the post this morning, we will get to your calls momentarily. Did want to show you the comments of one of the theresswomen elect, freshman class here in washington. Arjorie Taylor Greene is representative elect from georgia and she spoke to the rally yesterday. There is what she said. They say im not a politician. Im a proud american woman. Is im here because this what we have, ladies and gentlemen. The democrats are the party of socialism. The party of riots. The party of ruining businesses. The party of aocs green new deal. [crowd going] crowd booing] they are the party that wants to murder babies up until birth and make taxpayers pay for it. And they are the party that wants to take away your guns. Jeering] that isis the Party Working very hard to steal the stop donald j. Trump from being our president for four more years. Host marjorie Taylor Greene, part of the freshman class of the 117th Congress Speaking at the rally in washington. Coverage of that rally is available at our website, www. Cspan. Org. We will talk more about the transition in just a little bit. John kelly, former chief of staff, criticizes trump over biden transition. He says the president elect joe biden should start receiving intelligence briefings, and the delay in the transition to get officially started is damaging u. S. National security. Former chief of staff john kelly told politico in an exclusive interview. You lose a lot if the transition is delayed because new people are not allowed to get their head in the game. The president does not have to concede, but its about the nation. It hurts our National Security because the people who should be getting up to speed, its not a process where you go from zero to 1000 miles per hour. Lets hear from annie and sugar grove, South Carolina on the democrats line. Grove, northugar carolina but thats ok. I just have a couple comments. I am 65 years old. Rew up and when a male when mail comes to my apartment i was taught you wrote on the outside of the envelope return to sender, address unknown. About allle that talk these ballots being mailed to their address and people that dont live there, one guy from North Carolina recently said that someone could fill that out. Thats voter fraud if they do that. With regard tog that is, i got a whole bunch of applications to fill out an absentee ballot. I think people are getting those confused. There are organizations that have all of our information, its not coming from the board of elections. I got six of them or something and i have been a registered voter in North Carolina for about 13 years. I moved here from ohio where i did not miss any elections from the moment i turned 18 years old. The other comment i want to make is about the people that keep saying that President Trump is not taking a salary. Thats all fine and good, but back in june somebody punched a whole bunch of numbers and i have texted it to you before but you have never put it up on the screen. They did this thing where all the money that we have spent, all of our tax money being spent to let him play golf on our in june ofrns out, 2019 that number was 267 of our tax267 years dollars that would cover a president salary. Back then it was like 140 Million Dollars were spent for him to go play golf. Spends 250 years worth of president ial salaries. The idea that he is not taking a salary, he is not, but he is ripping the taxpayers offer millions of dollars. Int we will go to arnett long beach, california on the republican line. Caller good morning. [indiscernible] usa. Less the oklahoman, i am not black or white, and i was born and raised in oklahoma. We do love our president. Oklahoma is a republican state. All this stuff about [indiscernible] what they need to realize is that god is the boss. He is the president. Back bama took us [indiscernible] its an act of god and they are not going to find nothing for it. About there talking legal efforts on behalf of the Trump Campaign in several states across the country, asking your thoughts this morning until 9 15 eastern. Homeland security infrastructure committee, a joint statement on late thursday from the Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council on the election they write the november 3 election was the most secure in american history. Across the country Election Officials are reviewing and double checking the entire election process prior to finalizing results. When states have close elections many will recount ballots, all of the states with close results have paper records of each vote allowing the ability to go back and count each ballot if necessary. This is an added benefit for security resilience and it allows for the identification and correction of any mistakes. There is no evidence any Voting System deleted or lost votes, change the votes, or was in any way compromised. On theington, d. C. Independent line. Go ahead. Caller thank you very much for taking my call. Am suggesting that we would claimo hear the network to contact the monitors. When elections are held in africa, like in kenya, we get monitors from the United States, independent monitors. I really want to hear the voice of the monitors who monitored the election, and for me, the way i look at it, we have to have an electoral commission, that is an independent body and has all sorts of professionals. If you have democrats, republicans, and independence they are allowed to take in monitors. Those monitors sit and watch what is watch votes being counted and how people vote. Area ofexpat of that the kenya, that is why i am suggesting that right now we and kamaladen harris, they only have very he weeks left. They need to be they have to go through the security clearance. We need time for healing. Elections are held every four years, thats why its called a recall. The president is recalled every four years. Did notthis time you make it, you have to wait for the next time because the whole , america already voted is not going to vote kenyayou say you are from , did you have election monitors when you voted in kenya . Caller yes. I was an official, i was an election official. I was also in the counting hall. We had monitors from the United States. Host when you voted in the Nations Capital did you see monitors . Thats why i am calling on the independent line, i did votedte, but my daughter and she told me that they had monitors in the hall. She lives in florida host we appreciate you weighing in, it might be an interesting idea to get some of the folks who were monitors across the country as part of a segment on the program and ask them about their experience. Also in d. C. Is eric on the democrats line. Caller good morning. I dont understand these people, they keep blaming barack for all this stuff. If you look back at when barack gracefully let donald trump in, he did not do anything disrespectful to this gentleman, even though how this man treated him. Bring some proof and stop this assuming and being disrespectful to people. The congresswoman that said that democrats are not americans, how can you say im not an american . How dare she say that. My people were brought here, we are not up for her to say we are not americans it so disrespectful. It so disrespectful for this country. They keep calling and about jesus christ, with this jesus christ craft donald trump should be the first one out of here. Host to alfred in newark, ohio on the republican line. Caller i just have a question for you. The raidou know about in germany . Is dominion used in 28 states when it has been proved faulty . Alreadyu know, they know it has been used by the cia to cheat in south america. It was redeveloped for the cia for that reason. They are finding new fraud every day. Host where was dominion found to be faulty here in the u. S. . Why would states continue using it . Caller exactly. Theas been found faulty, system is unreliable. Its easy to cheat the system. Host to bloomfield, new jersey we hear from clark on the independent line. Toler its ok for al gore go 36 days contesting the vote back then, nobody said a word, but its not ok for donald trump to do that all of a sudden. Signedre many affidavits that says hello . Host we are listening. These votes were not certified and they have to go through that process. Everybody wants to push joe biden through without examining anything. The electronic machines, i have heard that during the romney obama contest that someone wont end went into a polling booth in pennsylvania and it flipped over 10 times. They tried to vote for romney and the machine pushed back 10 times. The person just gave up. They have to examine that. Donald trumps former National Security advisor on abc , john bolton, where is the evidence as every day goes by there is no evidence. Was bytrump lost what any evidence we have so far a free and fair election. To georgia we hear from axel on the democrats line. Caller good morning. Going off of what the previous caller said, i am a solid democrat. I campaign for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and for joe biden this election. Bothaw simply says that candidates have every right to contest the Election Results. Do i think there is mass voter fraud . No. There is fraud in every election and there have been accusations of fraud in every election since before the civil war. At least it never has been, substantial enough to cause a difference in the outcome of the election. I am sure that in the coming weeks there will be a few cases of fraud that will be found, just like there were cases of fraud that were found of people voting for donald trump. Dead people were voting for trump, convicts who had been disenfranchised were voting for trump, and both had to be thrown out. They were not significant enough to change the outcome. Earlier,nts you played im from georgia, she is not going to be my congresswoman. I was disgusted to hear the comments from marjorie Taylor Greene. I just saw her election, its not too far from where i live. Partisans only on partyline grounds. I was really disgusted to hear her even insinuate that democrats are somehow less american than her. She is doing a disservice not only to herself but to her party. Will they reelect her in two years when her term is up . I dont know. Hopefully people will get some sense and stop electing these people who dont want to do anything for their constituents. Host the wall street journal writing about what is ahead what may be ahead for a binding administration. After white house victory democrats are divided on what is next. Democrats captured the white house, expanded their house majority, and expanded their ranks in the senate. The party has spent the last four years with one agenda item they could agree on, get rid of President Trump. Now that joe biden has won the election, democrats are struggling to figure out what is next and what they stand for according to interviews with dozens of members of the party. In florida we hear from susan. Caller this is susan. I just need to say a couple of things. Joe biden, when we have the tape of him saying he has a very exclusive voter fraud organization, thats right there. You dont need much to come across. Number two is the thing that every vote needs to be counted. For future elections, people dont want to vote anymore. Thanks for calling. More ahead here on washington journal. Next we are joined by max stier with the partnership for Public Service. The centerk about for president ial transition, its role in this transition and other previous president ial transitions. On q a, a professor talks about the use of big data and new surveillance technologies by law enforcement. The police have long been collecting their own data and information, but thats on people they have contact with. What is happening now is that the police are increasingly collecting information on folks who have no direct criminal justice contact. With thisat has to do data,y component of big they are increasingly purchasing information from privately collected companies and using tools like automatic license plate readers. You dont even have to get pulled over for your data to be put into their system. That kind of information is being used. Cspans q a. E on podcast thepans weekly we talked about women in elections, what changed this election cycle for women and why. Wherespans the weekly you get your podcast. Washington journal continues. Host joining us this morning to talk about the president ial process of a president ial transition is max stier max ther, president and ceo for partnership for Public Services center for president ial transition. Why is a successful president ial transition so important . Safety isabout our the ultimate answer here. When you think about it, our democratic system envisions transfers of power when you have election so you have accountable government. That means that a new team has to figure out how to take charge immediately on january 20 in an effective way. Its a big task. When you think about our government you are looking at trillions of dollars, 4 million of people 4 Million People, hundreds of operating units, and historically president s have aborted 4000 political appointees. Its a massive underage have appointed 400 political employees. Its a massive undertaking. The world is such a dangerous place that there is not a lot of time on the other postosted january 20 january 20 to do your learning curve, you have to be on top of it right away and have plans in place and work well together. That is work that takes lots of people working very hard as the biden team has been doing since really the springtime. They have a phenomenal leadership there in ted kaufman who knows this arena extremely well and is close to president elect biden and has no ambition himself, i trifecta perfect person. The gsa has been cooperating up until now, but we are in a new phase, a phase that requires engagement with the incumbent government, mainly the career workforce. That is not happening and thats a bad thing. Host you talked about our safety. As the week was ending, and into the weekend, a number of republican senators and people like former chief of staff john kelly are calling on in biden team to be briefed these security briefings, for example the president ial daily briefings and things like that. Why are those so essential to the new team coming in . Max it goes back to what the job will be on january 20. It involves handling a myriad of problems we know about like responding to the pandemic and rebuilding the economy, but also problems that are undoubtedly around the corner and not yet on our doorstep. The best example was the transition to president bush in 2000 where he experienced a shortened transition period as a result of the disagreement about and thetion and florida 9 11 Commission Found explicitly that that truncated transition was one of the real reasons why we had such trouble in responding to 9 11. It meant it was a lot harder for the bush team to have a National Security team in place and it caused us real harm. Fundamentally is the most Important Organization we have to keep us safe as a society, and that is a real risk for us if we dont ensure there betweenate cooperation the incoming and Outgoing Administration. Its not just the National Security external, its also the pandemic. Think about all that has to be done to move forward with vaccines and the economy and that is a baton handoff that is fundamental to all of us and requires a large number of people to be well coordinated on the biden team and up to speed and that takes time. That is really what we are talking about here, ensuring that the biden team is given access not just to daily briefs, but to people working on these problems now, the information they need, and to the processing parts of our government that will enable enable their team to step in right away. Host we are talking about the process of the president ial transition, our guest is the president and ceo for the partnership for Public Service. Your calls are welcome, 202 7488000. Epublicans, 202 7488001 independents and others, 202 7488002. You mentioned the delay in the 2000 handoff. We so far have yet to have President Trump concede or recognize joe biden as the winner of the 2020 election. Is there any other historical similarity or similar sort of setting where there was a delay like this caused by one candidate refusing to acknowledge the other . This is in myy, mind unique. I dont think this is like 2000 for two big reasons. The first is the feud in 2000 was a very clear one and you had questions from Vice President gore and the change in perspective in a single state with a very small number of votes that were in question here which is not what we were we are experiencing now. Even more importantly we are aware now of the consequences of delay transition making, the point i made about 9 11 earlier. We know we are in a dangerous world and that delay can be a real problem for our health, welfare, and safety. President trump has not yet conceded, my view is that is not necessary for him to do in order to allow the transition process to move forward. The reality is he can maintain his ability to pursue litigation options and still have a for our safety. Thats the outcome we need. Gsa has to recognize that and the funding has to be turned on and provided for the incoming team, the biden team. Max you are absolutely right and i will reiterate that the solid anden a really capable partner in helping the biden team do transition preparation preelection. They are led by a serious administrator, and my hope is that she will make the decision to ascertain biden as the president elect so that work can continue forward, that so important. And large the engagement with the incumbent government is what the with the career workforce and they are the people who in my view run the place. They are the ones that hold the essential information that the biden team really needs to be able to prepare effectively. Host how is your group involved in this and how have you been involved in previous transitions . Are a nonpartisan, Nonprofit Organization focused on trying to make our federal government work better. We live in a world where pretty much every organization engages with government around their preferences around policy. Our view is, if you dont have a government working effectively, than those policy preferences dont make a lot of difference, that really the execution of that policy towards the fundamental. We see president ial transitions mosting one of the important processes for a new administration to get going well and run the government effectively. Recognize that about a dozen years ago this was an area where nobody had systemized it. We created a set of guide books on how to do it right and have worked closely with arius legislators including ted kaufman who has been the godfather of the modern transition process and currently runs the biden transition, to improve that process. There is no more important complicated and Critical Organization in our country other than our federal government not only in our country, but in history. Getting that transition right is really important. As a kid we are taught that one of the critical things our country brought to the world was a transfer of power. It has been peaceful but ugly, but we need to make sure it is not just peaceful but also effective and that the handoff is fundamental. We focus on that and trying to bring information to government leaders around what is happening inside government, we have a best place to work ranking in the federal government. We train career leaders, we see that as the most important cohort in government running well. We work to bring different parts of government together. The problems of today dont respect the historical boundaries of yesterday. Together,orking well congress and the executive working well together, the intergovernmental working well together and the public and private sector. Its a very interesting and i believe under focused on set of activities that we do and its important now. We have big problems and we need government working well to solve them. Host before we get the calls i want to get your reactions to the words of Richard Nixon published in the New York Times. The pieces headlined nixon has some advice, in his memoir Richard Nixon wrote that he did not push for a recount after the 1960 election despite accusations of voter fraud, historians debate whether or not that is true. A writer called the memoir and unreliable account from an unreliable narrator. At least nixon talked a good game. These are the words of Richard Nixon. Wrote inesident nixon the 1960 election if he were to demand a recount the organization of the new administration and an orderly transfer of responsibility from old to new might be delayed for months. The situation within the federal government would be chaotic. Those in the Old Administration would not know how to act or with what clear powers and responsibilities those appointed by john kennedy to positions in the new administration would have the same difficulty making plans. To the bitterness that would be engendered by such a maneuver on my part what my would have done incalculable and lasting damage throughout the country. I could think of no worse example for nations abroad who were trying to put preelectoral procedures into effect than that of the United States wrangling over the results of our president ial election and even suggesting that the presidency itself could be stolen by thievery at the ballot box. The words of Richard Nixon on his on the 1960 election. A fantastic quote and a strong lesson for us today. We live in only a more dangerous world today that moves even faster than it did in 1960 by a large measure which then puts even a larger premium on the transition working well. There is such a diverse set of challenges we face as a country. They are so difficult to manage. We have no grace on this. Hard fort right is so an incoming team and we need to make it as easy as possible. The only difference i would have with the statement there is, i think you can pursue the transition planning and enable whatever litigation strategy that President Trump wants to pursue to move forward through the courts. They dont have to be in tension. What is clear is that the failure to allow a coordinated passing of the baton puts us at risk and we should not have that. So many important things that could be disrupted, the biden team is doing great work but they need that access to information. Fantastic quote and thank you for sharing with me. Host the words of President Trump from 10 minutes ago. Theonly one in the eyes of fake news media, i concede nothing, we have a long way to go. This is a rigged election we will win. Callers, marym lou in new jersey. Caller good morning, bill and mr. Stier. I would like to make a couple of comments. I would like to thank cspan for being one of the few Broadcasting Networks where we can get honest news. We really appreciate that. Stier, i take issue with some things you are talking about. You said something about the biden team was preparing for this since last spring. Does that mean that the biden team knew they were going to win this election . We are talking about a smooth transition. Recollectiont there was no smooth transition from the Obama Administration to the Trump Administration. Of fact everything humanly possible was done to disrupt the Trump Administration. You are talking about the Biden Administration wanting peace and safety for the American People. The democrats werent worried about peace and safety over the last several months when we had the rioting, the looting, in these various cities across the country. Transition goes you are talking about the government transitioning. What you are not understanding is that trump people are a special group of people, morally, legally, and spiritually and we have nothing in common with the biden people. They dont know what they are going to be in for if over the next few weeks this election does not lean towards donald trump. Host several things there. We will hear from our guest. Max i am so glad you raised that point about the early transition planning. Say, historically, most campaigns were very leery about doing early transition planning because they were worried about being accused of celebrating early. That really changed with a new law that gave support for early transition planning predilections. The First Campaign to take advantage of that law was that of mitt romney who did unexceptional job of preelection transition planning. President trump and Hillary Clinton also did early preelection planning very well. The norm now is the right norm, which is you actually cant be ready to govern if you dont prepare for the possibility that you will actually win. That is what preelection transition planning is about. In my view there is nothing wrong with it and nothing nefarious, it is being responsible to make sure that if you are going to win, you can actually govern effectively. Host doesnt also the Current Administration, whether the Trump Administration now or the Obama Administration previously, they also have offices within the government of at least teams that are preparing for potential handsoff up a potential handoff of power, correct . Requires that every agency identify a career official to lead transition planning, this is all occurring preelection, in the event that there is going to be a handoff of power. In the primary you prepare for the possibility you will get the general, the reality is if you dont prepare for the possibility of winning, then you wont be ready if you actually win. Thats true on the government side as well. Interestingly, President Trump has needed to prepare for the possibility of a second term. Most people dont think about that as a transition, but it is. Second term president s usually lose almost half of their most senior people, so they have to restaff the government and think about how they want to operate differently and what they learn from the first cycle to the second. The second that i would respond to on your comment is to say that in fact the obama team did a really strong job of preparing for the possibility of a trump or clinton win. They follow the model of the Bush Administration, which really has created the Gold Standard of handoffs. Becauset bush did this he recognized that our country was vulnerable during a transition, that there was a National Security imperative to ensure the handoff was done effectively. He had no experience in terms of the handoff from clinton to him and his experience with 9 11 that shaped his view around this. I think the record books will show that president bush really put us on a different course in terms of an incumbent president handing off to a new president. President obama tried to follow that course. President trump did a good job of preelection transition planning, and bluntly the wheel came off the bus after the election. When he fired Chris Christie and more importantly pushed aside the work that had been done, the preparation work that had been good until then. Host when did he fire Chris Christie . Caller the max the thursday after the election. What ultimately was more damaging was the failure to take advantage of all the work and people that had been put together to ensure an orderly transfer of power. That really set them back. He was the slowest president in putting his people in place. Of missteps in dealing with the government at the front end. The root of those problems come out of his failure at postelection Transition Training. He engaged in the same kind of preelection Transition Training that the biden team did. Understanding that these are facts and you can draw different conclusions from them. , andis now the normal way in fact the best way to be ready for the possibility that he will be president. Host lets hear from ken in chicago on the democrats line. Caller hello there. I have to agree with the previous caller on the honesty found on cspan. Thank you for giving us a intform to view our opinions a safer and more productive way than the screaming of a protest at someone that is not listening. Nevertheless, and i would like regardingome proof seeds that have been planted in the American Public months prior to the election when the current president said that if democrats should win the only way to do it was by fraud. President ist the willingly playing the people like a fiddle because he can do that. Protests and the looting on the streets are two separate incidences. Correctly, these businesses have lost so much money as a result of having to , that when things are stolen they can be written off as theft and reimbursed for those items that were stolen, so its a scam. Its an insurance scam plain and simple. There are two separate incidences. They look for opportunities in groups of people who are protesting to incite these riots. They can go in and steal these goods and these businesses can write them off as stolen theft objects. Host that is can in chicago, any response there . Caller max i keep coming back to that wonderful quote you read from president nixon and how fundamental it is for us to have the machinery of government and and the machinery of our election be trusted. Professor and remarkable thinker said you need three things for a successful democracy. You need to have rule of law, accountability, and effective government. The accountability piece is obviously what we are seeing in the election itself and the effective government is what transition is necessary for. The basic me that the processes of our elections and our government are andng under such scrutiny distrust. Scrutiny is ok, the distrust worries me. We need to have shared rules, we need to be able to have a shared faith in our processes to make sure that our voices are heard and that our government is responsive to the American People. Down. Tuff is breaking i think president nixon had it right in the 1960 context in saying, that is fundamental to our success as a nation and i hope we can come together as a people to bring that back. Know, is theas you biden team going ahead with the betting people they want in their administration, and how Many Political appointees will the new administration be responsible for . Max the biden team was up early, aggressively, and smartly and they have experienced people. One of the most fundamental tasks they have ahead is identifying terrific people to be leaders in our government. There are historically 4000 appointments that an administration makes, political appointments. There is no other democracy that i am aware of on the planet that has anywhere close to that. If you look at Great Britain as another example, they get nervous when you talk about tens of appointees not thousands, and for good reason. Part of the problem with that Many Political appointments is you have in essence a very large group of shortterm leaders that take a bunch of time to get into place and then turn over before they can really focus on the longterm needs of the government that they are running. Its a big task, what im describing as far as wanting fewer political appointees. Need a different conception of what being a leader in government really requires. The oath of office is to the constitution not any individual. What we really need our people who are oriented to the job of taking care of the public good and seeing their job as public stewards. The biden team to directly answer your question is undoubtedly keenly focused on betting folks right now and selecting amongst a very talented crew of people that want to come into the system, but they will need the cooperation of the incumbent government. They will need to have security clearances and work on financial agreements. They can do a lot of stuff on their own. They will often need to engage at some point with the government. Host lets hear from aleta in florida, go ahead. Morning, thank you, max, we appreciate you so much and thank you again cspan. The caller from new jersey, i totally disagree with her absolutely. Transition smooth between clinton, bush, obama. They are all still great friends today. This president we currently have is the president of the division , he goes against the grain. This is not from country, this is america. I would like to say it so important for transition, we are talking about security for americans, what is the problem with him doing what is supposed to be done . Just move on, you lost the election. When he won the previous four years he was on the tv every chance he could get saying the most awful things about them being losers and poor sports. He is pouting and has no sense of decency. Since he has been president the country has gone back 30 or 40 years and so much evil has come to the forefront. Its time to move on. Lets transition, this president elect need to the daily briefings, we are talking about security for america, its not about trump area its about america. No argument from me that this is about america. I think that we do need to separate the real passions that exist and the political venues around the republican democrat and etc. Recognize that there are shared interest that we have as a society. Our government is fundamentally the most important tool we have for collective action as society to deal with our biggest problem. What everyone views as their political persuasion or what they think about what government should or should not be doing, whatever it is doing we should have it be done well. Ultimately i think that moving forward with a transition preparation does not diminish President Trumps ability to pursue any legal theory he might have about why there is a problem in the election process. We do need to make sure that the president elect biden, the current presumed trip resident elect biden has the tools that he needs to start on day one. The metaphor for me is a pilot. We are all on this plane together and flying in turbulent conditions. We should want to make sure the pilot and crew are in place and wellequipped and working well together because our welfare is at stake. I think that is the fundamental issue that is at play right now in terms of allowing or the kind of information sharing and operation between the government and the Biden Transition Team, thats really what we are talking about here. From next is nate parkville, maryland on the democrats line. Caller good morning, bill and mr. Stier. Caller i want to touch three points. I want to begin with mary lou, she said the trump people is special, i think they are but not in the way she may believe. 2000i want to go back to when you said bush had a problem as far as the transition from the clinton team to himself. The Supreme Court decided in september. On august the sixth he had a president ial daily briefing. Im trying to figure out, eight months, im kind of confused as to how that impacted i will finish with my third point. My third point is, this is my message to america. Wants you you did dead because you chose not to support him. Nutshell, it a explains all his actions from covid to the protests. Host max, he mentioned the 2000 transfer, i think he is referring to the briefing that reportedly george w. Bush got before the 9 11 attacks. Max i think there are a couple things that play. You in love to join being called by my first name. Bill andcalls you calls me mr. Stier, max is fine. The color makes an important point. About thesome things gsa decision that would enable the Biden Transition Team to get access to certain resources are very clear, access to the agencies so they can go in and learn what happened, than there are things like the intelligence sharing during the daily brief, i think those things could happen without a former formal asset formal ascertainment. The Current Administration has a fair amount of discretion and i think they should move forward with everything. They should have ascertainment and move forward in every way possible to make sure that the biden team will have what it needs, assuming that they take charge on january 20. About, whatquestion happened in terms of the shortened transition . It was not until after the Supreme Court decision in december 14 that this was ecided and gore gave his concession that the ascertainment happened. There is some argument over whether it should have happened earlier. That may be the case, but the reality is that meant that president elect biden did nottelect bush have five plus weeks of did not lose five plus weeks of what will would have been his transition time. They were active in his transition planning, gentleman named clay johnson was tapped early on by then governor bush to think about transition planning. Clause created by the election dispute that did slow them down and it did mean they were not able to move with as much dispatch as they would have to get their people in place. ,hats what the 9 11 commission a bipartisan highly respected commission, identified as a real problem point in the response to 9 11. That truncated transition period in 2000 meant that the bush team was not as far an advanced as putting their National Security team in place at the time of the attack and that caused problems. Having your Leadership Team in place as fast as possible, to me, is probably the most fundamental responsibility of the Incoming Administration. A president is essential, the government is so large and complicated that getting the team in place and working well and doing it fast, its hard. This comes back to the question of 4000 political appointees, 1200 require senate confirmation. It is too onerous of a process to get your team in place. We should have fewer senate firmed commissions positions and fewer political appointees in general. We need to make it run more smoothly in the best of circumstances and dont need to make it worse. And already a hard process delayed makes what is difficult harder. Host former National Security adviser to president obama, susan rice, writing trump stalling risks our security, in 2020 as the days tick by and mr. Trump shows no signs of starting a transition the risks increase. Mr. Biden and his National Security team have not been provided the daily intelligence briefing to which they are entitled. The biden team is not receiving classified information. Reviewen Harris Agency teams are constituted but not but but have been denied access to every element of the executive branch, vital exchanges of information and expertise that would help combat covid19 and jumpstart the economy remain stalled. Lets hear from our republican line. Youryour measure guest is a miserable corrupt politician trying to instill fear in the nation that somehow as fast as possible we should go and install a new administration. First of all thats very dangerous. And its wrong. 9 11 was not because of bush, it was prepared during the Clinton Administration. [indiscernible] something the whole blame should be on the Clinton Administration. Fearto try to instill across every legal reasoning is very dangerous. There is a reason why mr. Trump has the right to go through these legal processes, whatever he wants to do he has the right. I would appreciate if you take pride in your existence as a corrupt politician and talk the truth. Your mental to fundamental to your wrong is that democrats had machinery prepared. I see many people coming from swamp who used to be in the Obama Administration completely ready for a transition. [indiscernible] this is the whole machinery people are and completely ready to do it. To try this is dangerous to install a new president as fast as possible. Nobody in the whole world is attacking america. Dont make me say it. Biden, wars, mr. Joe ofmary sponsor of 78 days bombing of syria and montenegro. Host im going to let you go, a lot on the table. Back to 2000, i think she raised that up there. How much transition was actually happening between george w. Bush between the Clinton Administration and a Bush Administration . How much had gotten underway . Followed bestteam practice, clay johnson was the head of the preelection transition preparation process. Workinged thinking and on this a year before the election and it was with good forethought that he did. Interrupted got from the point of the election until the gore concession on december 14. They lost a good chunk of time, really important time between the election and the inauguration that they would otherwise have been able to push for more aggressively. Caller, of that last comments. The argument here is not to move president elect biden into office any earlier. The constitution is very clear. It is on january 20 that you see a president being sworn in. The issue is, assuming he will be sworn in on january 20, do we want to see him and his team best prepared to run our government for all of us in a safer way . This is not about accelerating his movement into office or making sure he ricesou cited susan oped which i think is very strong, you should look at the other company he is keeping right now. Toomey,rubio, senator former bush, karl rove, the list of republicans who are serious minded who have signed off on the notion that this is really vital that the Transition Access be occurring right now and the shared information happening is large, its a Bipartisan Group and for good reason. President trump can pursue litigation remedies, whatever he thinks is appropriate to do, and that is independent of the issue of the biden team getting access to the resources they need if and when they take charge on january 20. This is not a partisan issue, its bipartisan. Every National Security figure, military, that i have heard on this, they are all of the same view that this is something that should happen. Host in addition to their role in confirming appointees in the senate, does con congress have any role in the president ial transition . Near term the most important rule the senate will play is in their advise and consent role, 1200 of the 4000 a political appointees that need senate confirmation. That thely Important Senate process be good. They have the right to vote up and down for someone they think does not meet the qualifications they can reject them. Moving forward with dispatch through the nominations and the Incoming Administrations responsibility to put forward nominees. Getting that done quickly is really important and has been a point of problems from president reagan to President Trump we have seen confirmation times double, and thats a big issue. There is no doubt thats the most important role. I think we have learned a lot about ways we can make the system work better and i am hoping that congress will focus intently on the issue, we have a whole reform agenda we are posing call the roadmap for renewal which is on our website. Our government needs to be refreshed and there is a lot we can do better, a lot of strong people and we need to refresh the workforce. Get onets see if we more quick call from tammy in belfast, maine on the independent line. Caller good morning. It is a question on how responsible and safe for the United States for joe biden to be talking to eight World Leaders already without having National Security clearance, without being sworn in and whatnot. How is the transition so important for him when he is decisions about how the u. S. Is going to handle those countries . Question, it is Standard Practice for a president elect to be having conversations with World Leaders. What is not Standard Practice is to have the president elect to have the president elect not have access to the state to help coordinate those calls. Normal forpriate and president elect biden to be having conversations. He should, this is an example of resources he has been denied. He should be having the assistance of state department folks who have been dealing with these World Leaders who understand every thing that is going on. That is the way they should do it if this administration should coordinate in that way. World leaders are reaching out to him as well. That does not help us. It hurts us. The issue here is to make sure seamless is a coordination. It is not about partisanship, it is about the way our country is going to deal with important allies and adversaries across the world. President elect biden has a lot of experience here, but still needs the engagement of the career workforce of the state department. Ceo of the partnership for Public Service talking about thanks for being with us. Guest my pleasure. Host that will do it for this mornings program. Thank you for your calls and participation. We are back tomorrow at 7 00 a. M. Eastern, we hope you are too