This morning. If you support joe biden and Kamala Harris, call 202 7488000. If you support President Trump and Vice President pence, call 202 7488001. If you support another ticket or did not vote, we want to hear from you at 202 7488002. Keep in mind, you can always text us at 202 7488003, and we are always reading on social media on twitter, twitter at cspan wj and on facebook at facebook. Com cspan. Right now once again it is saturday and the president ial race has not yet been decided. Right now, you can always go to cspan. Org to see the state of the Electoral College where right now the map says that joe biden has 264 Electoral College votes. 214, withtrump has several major states left to go, including nevada, pennsylvania, north carolina, georgia, and alaska. Once again, all of the votes have not been counted, but most news organizations are projecting that joe biden eventually will take a lead that cannot be overcome by President Trump. Joe biden came out last night on friday to talk about the state of the president ial race. Heres what joe biden had to say. [video clip] biden ween mr. Dont have the numbers yet, but they tell us a clear and convincing story. We are going to win this race. Look at what has happened since yesterday. 24 hours, we were behind in georgia. Now we are ahead and are going to win that state. 24 hours ago we were behind in pennsylvania and we are going to win pennsylvania. Now we are ahead, but we are winning in arizona, in nevada, and in fact our lead just double in nevada. We are on track to over 300 electoral votes, Electoral College votes, and look at the national numbers. We are going to read this when this race with a clear majority of the nation behind us. We have gotten over 74 million votes. Let me repeat that, 74 million votes, more than any president ial ticket has ever gotten in the history of the United States of america. And our vote total is still growing. We are beating donald trump by over 4 million votes, margin that is still going as well. One thing i am especially proud of is how well we have gone across america, and we are going to be the first democrat to wean 20 zona in 20 win in in arizona in 24 years, in arizona and we have rebuilt the blue wall in the middle of the country that just crumbled. Pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, the heartland of this nation. I know watching these vote tallies on tv moves very slow and as slow as it goes, it can be numbing, but never forget, the tallies arent just numbers. They represent votes and voters, men and women who exercised their fundamental right to have their voice heard, and what is becoming clearer each hour is that Record Number of americans of all races, faiths, religions, chose change over more of the same. They have given us a mandate for action on covid, the economy, climate change, systemic racism. They have made it clear they want the country to come together, not continue to pull apart. The people spoke. More than 74 million americans, and they spoke loudly for our ticket. While we are waiting for the final results, i want people to know we are not waiting to get the work done and start the process. Host lets go to our phone lines and talk to bob who is calling from logan, utah and bob supports joe biden. Good morning. Caller good morning. Thanks for letting me call in. I would like to say that what bothers me the most is that they [indiscernible] somebodysocialist is who depends on the government solely for their income. So every schoolteacher, every , your complete cities and counties, all of our parks, national parks, our who draws a anybody government check, and when you see people working on the highways and all the construction going on, those people are depending on the government dollars to support their families. Nationt have a civil with what you would call socialism. Thats our country. This is a socialist capitalist country. I have a friend who is a canadian and said, you know, america doesnt realize there is already socialist. Host lets go to mary calling from louisiana. Good morning. Jesse. Hi, host go ahead. Caller i hope you let me finish what i need to say. I already know whats going to happen as far as this election. The democrats couldnt impeach him so they started planning and coordinated to get together and they thought on what they are going to do, ok. Now im going to tell you whats going to happen. Is not can be running as president. He is just get to be the head of the state. Kamala harris, aoc, elizabeth warren, those are the people that is going to be running this country and im going to tell you what is going to happen to this country. They are going to run all the jobs up out of here. Second, they are going to open up the door to allow the illegals in here. Russia are just waiting because they know that they can back into lynns friend joe biden, influence from joe biden, and they will be able to do what they want for this country. And four, let me tell you this, people dont want to believe the truth, because the truth hurts, but this country, when they get through with this country, they might get past the point of no return. And if you think all these multimillionaire people are going to sit back and just let in, hes goth them another thing coming. Host mason from wesley chapel, florida and supports joe biden. Caller good morning, sir. Host go ahead. Caller i am just sitting here i heard awe about what from other people who called in. Mary ormer and American Fighting men. America is a country i have been all over the world. Believe i never see, ad i would live to black president and number two, the turmoil of an election. Every american has the right to have their voices heard, and no one has the right to tell them they cant. So i wish everybody would just calm down, let the vote continue, stop protesting because you dont like what is going to happen, and let the country heal. This is not making sense to me. Host mark is calling from schenectady, new york and mark supports President Trump. Caller good morning. So the gore election in 2007 went on challenging the election for over a month. There is nothing wrong with trying to get to the bottom of who got how many votes, and as long as trump has money and supporters have enough money to spend the time required to do what they want to do in order to then it, to audit votes, see absolutely no problem with it. Historic 30 minority vote for him. He outperformed 2016. We have time and i supports President Trump, at least sticking to his guns, so to speak. He has the right to do that and he is certainly allowed to do that. Post has washington a story that talks about what is going on inside the white house with President Trump. I want to read from that story. President trump vowed to continue to fight the Election Results, urging allies and advisors to defend him publicly and insisting he still had a path to victory over former Vice President joe biden, but behind the scenes over the past two bidens have broached the possible possibility of an electoral defeat and how he should handle an outcome. Some close to the president are advocating that if biden is declared the winner, trump will ultimately offer public remarks and wish he commits to a peaceful transition of power. Allies and republican officials who like others on friday spoke on the condition of anonymity conversationsrnal. One Senior Campaign aide sarah said there has been no discussion of a campaign speech. Lets talk to carol calling from clarksville, tennessee, and carol supports joe biden. Caller good morning to you. I was calling to say that over the years, i have to continue to say that we need to see our as ourution play out forefathers wrote it, and we are seeing that right now on this time in the election process. You are subliminally supporting the south Side Organization of our divine nine. Host ann is calling from farmingdale, new york and by the way, it is not subliminal. Caller good morning, how are you . Host just fine. Go ahead. Caller i have never in my lifetime seen anything like this. A president ial election is a president ial election as long as it is all on the level. ,his here is such a disgrace disgrace against our country bad, i wouldmn like to know that all these biden people, tell me one thing wrong that donald trump did to any of these people. This is ridiculous. If it is legitimate, it is legitimate, but all of these mailin ballots, i said from day one, no way in hell because it is going to be rigged. You have people sending in ballots for dead people. Host here is a question for you how do we handle the military mailin ballots . Military by mail, the overseas, and americans overseas vote by mail every president ial election. How do you handle those . Caller thats military. Our boys and over there serving the american country, the american country, and that donald trump did so much for the the past more so than president s, yes, those ballots but to come in, absolutely, you know. How do you count the military mailin ballots and not the civilian ballots . Caller you can see whats happening. There are ballots being mailed in that are not even being counted for, that are being thrown into the garbage. Thats not right. And with all of this recounting, some of the states are not letting, lets say, the republicans in to watch is wrong. It should be the same for both. If you are counting democratic votes, there should be people watching. You are counting republican votes. There should be people watching. How the hell do we know that ok, it them are saying, is a democrat vote and not a republican vote, how do we know that . Host there have been several stories saying that republican and democratic poll watchers have been allowed in to count the votes. There is actually video of that. Caller but not in all the states. Thats why i said it should be the law for voting and counting should be the same across every country in the United States. It should not be new york is one thing, pennsylvania is something else, texas is something else. That is wrong. That is wrong, because we know there is absolutely nothing in this world that is 100 legit. Caller lets go to dorothy calling from pine bluff, arkansas, and dorothy supports joe biden. Caller good morning. I am extremely happy that biden is winning. I prayed from the time he spoke forward that he was running, and the American People have andd my faith in god trump wasowed that full of very poor character and god has shown this country he is in charge. Look at the vote count, 4 Million People. 4 Million People are standing up saying, we dont want that corruption anymore in the white house. Im so happy that biden is coming forward, letting the country know that he is a good character, and god has brought him forward. I am telling all the trump followers, get your bible and read and pray and ask biden to lead this country. Host jason calling from riverdale, maryland, and supports President Trump. Caller i support trump but i believe that christians have to get together and pray for whatever president. Biden will be my president if he gets in, but my comment was that there is no responsibility being held on cnn and msnbc as well as fox news of how they are the major contributors to tearing this country apart. Again, you just give fuel to the fire to someone with the character of trump to take but thee of his side, statistics are 92 of media across the country is supporting joe biden, and i can turn on the news and see that. But i do not take that away from the responsibility of the American People to do their own homework, just like you can go on the internet right now and see during africanamerican pentzy month, trump and are standing in front of a whole white house full of africanAmerican People, and they are praising them for what they do for the country. Ive never seen that on cnn or msnbc. Host lets go to judy, calling in clearwater, florida, and judy supports joe biden. Caller good morning. I would just like to say that it is so refreshing to see the troops prevail. I am so proud that President Biden will be our president. I have four grandchildren and never once spoke of the president to my grandchildren. President trump has done nothing but lie. Unfortunately, people have believed those lies, and he has torn down the constitution in terms of the freedom of the press, and started saying everything is fake news because he knew the news would be reporting exactly what he said. I am so thankful, have been praying for this, and in proud to be an american. Ast the military times has story that talks about what the military vote may do in the state of georgia. I want to read a few lines from the military times. Absentee ballots coming from military and u. S. Citizens overseas could make a difference in georges final vote count in the president ial election. Those ballots have until the end of the day today to arrive to Election Officials to be counted, and they must be coat postmarked by november 3. Georges secretary of state said there are 8890 of those votes outstanding. Ballots that have been sent to those voters but havent yet been returned. As of noon friday, joe biden was ahead of donald trump by a margin of more than 1000 votes. Right now, georgia remains too close to call. Out of about 5 million votes cast, we will have a margin of a few thousand, he said. Once again, they are still counting in several states around the nation. , georges republican secretary of state said the race was too close to call and a recount will be coming in that state. Heres what he had to say. Georgia remains too close to call. Out of approximately 5 million votes cast, we will have a margin of a few thousand. The focus for our office and for the county Election Officials for now remains on making sure that every legal vote is counted and recorded accurately. As we are closing in on a final count, we can begin to look toward our next steps. With a margin that small, there will be a recount in georgia. Interest in our election obviously goes far beyond georges borders. Georges borders. Borders. Georgias the tally has a great effect and emotions are high on all size sides. We will not let those debates distract us from our work. We will get it right and defend the integrity of our election. In some states, there are complaints about monitors not being allowed to watch the count. In georgia, this process is and will remain open and transparent to monitors. If any member of the public raises legitimate concerns, we will investigate those. We are committed to doing everything and anything to maintaining trust in our elections process for every georgian, regardless of partisan preference. Host lets look at the update that comes from bluebird reporter Bloomberg Emma henry. She tweeted out biden leads trump in pennsylvania by 28,577 49. 21 , with to 99 of the vote counted. Once again, they are still counting votes around the nation and trying to figure out who will be the next president. Lets go to our phone lines and talk to james from akron, ohio, and james supports no biden. Joe biden. Good morning. Caller a couple of things. The lady from the louisiana, she was talking about that the country is going to be for sale. You know, this country has been for sale ever since trump got in and he hasnt even dried to hide it. Tried to hide it. Buy auld buy a position, deal with the country, and black people, look at all of those black people they traded in during the end of the Campaign Like herschel walker, people that were bought. They were giving us a different story than they were talking about in the beginning, but one other thing i would like to ask each republican that calls in. They always talk about obama and biden should be arrested and in jail. Trump should be in jail and i wish instead of going around in a circle, tell me what for, what did they do . The criminality was in the one that is going on right now. Trump should be jail and all of his kids should be in jail, and it is no secret. The republicans know he should be in jail. Until we get independent, free news where news is notforprofit, we will continue to have the problems. All of these channels should have to make channels news nonprofit like in the 1960s and 1970s and that would eliminate the propaganda coming out of fox news. Fox news tells lies. Everything that comes out of there is a lie, and the republicans know it. Anton calling from loxahatchee, florida, and supports President Trump. Caller thanks for taking my call. I became an american citizen only because of trump. Where do i go now . Trump is america. What you call the democrats, biden doesnt really exist. Everybody knows that. Democrats are communists. My family was basically imprisoned for almost 21 years. Where do we go now . I dont want to live in a communist dictatorship. All those people, the democrats, they are run by the new left. The new left, they want to save us. We are going to be run like the communist party of china, that is my concern. Now my son wants to leave the country. Thank you. Host states that are close still in this election have recount rules. So even when they finish counting votes, several of those states may have to do a recount. Lets go over some of the rules of some of the states still outstanding and see what would trigger a recount. Arizona has been called by the Associated Press toh biden leading a. 9 to 48 point 6 , but a recount is triggered if the margin is less than or equal to. 1 of the votes cast. In arizona, neither the candidates nor voters can directly request recounts. Georgia, we just heard from the georgia secretary of state. In georgia, candidates can request a recount when the margin is less than. 5 of the total votes cast for that office. The request has to be made within two Business Days of following the certification of the results. Michigan, Associated Press has declared biden the winter in michigan with trump biden leading trump with 56 . Triggeredis already when the election is determined by a difference of 2000 votes or last, or the candidate can ask for a recount if they have a reasonable chance of winning the election. Nevada does not have an automatic trigger for recounts. Either candidate can request a recount in case of a tied race, but if there was a winner, the candidate who lost must file for the recount. In addition, the nevada law states that voters can also submit a request for a recount. North carolina also does not have an automatic trigger for a recount. Campaigns can request a recount if the margin is less than. 5 of the votes cast or less. As of friday, trump was leading to 48. 7 . pennsylvania, once again, an automatic recount of pennsylvania would only be triggered if the margin is. 5 or less of the total votes cast. Right now, joe biden is leading 49. 5 to 49. 3 . Wisconsin, wisconsin, if the dilute within 1 , the losing candidate can force a recount. Even after all the votes are counted, you could still see recounts in several key states that will decide the president ial election. Lets go back to our phone lines and talk to andrew calling from fort worth, texas. Andrew supports joe biden. Jesse, thanks for taking my call. 150 million americans voting in this election, thats great for this country. Just a comment about supporting joe biden, joe biden is a good man. A lot of people call democrats radicals, socialists, liberal. Ive been called that now for four years. My parents are firstgeneration immigrants. They came to this country leaving Eastern Europe because their countries were being occupied. They came to this country, raised a family, i raised a family. Trump continues to call me, every democrat a socialist, radical. He sits on the south lawn. What did he say . He said this is not their house, this is our house. He pointed to the democrats saying the white house is not their house. He bragged, look at this beautiful white house, my house, the republican house. It is not. This is the United States of america. Thats everyones house and like joe biden said, this vitriol has to stop. These latin american Trump Supporters, they come from communist dictators like in venezuela and cuba. Theyvenezuela. It they do not understand what socialism is. They do not understand what being occupied is. Trump hates these people. He hates his supporters. He has even said he is glad he does not have to shake their hands because they are disgusting. Is campaignsaid Campaign Said we photo. E trailer park that is disgusting the trailer park vote. That is disgusting host lets go to gamma. To guillermo. I voted for Kamala Harris and joe biden. Originally i voted for tulsi gabbard. He made a laughingstock of this country. Voter fraud,bout thethese people who doubt system i would like to congratulate Vice President joe they and i hope this change this country for the better. Host patrick supports President Trump. He is calling from kentucky. Caller this nation does not support arson and killing. This theseng cities down, goddammit. There are hundreds of thousands of ballots that are not even counted. Thousands you cannot even read them. Million not citizens, immigrant citizens election. Ting in this genes go to calling from texas. Gives democrats more time to make sure that joe wins. All the democrats voting for . Voting for joe biden, if you invite the devil to the party, dont expect him to behave. Melissa supports joe biden. Melissa, good morning. Caller good morning. I just wanted to say it is really disappointing to hear so Many Americans are unaware of what is really going on. They do not know American History or the definition of a socialist. You have other people who come in and believe so many of the things donald trump says and they become from other countries that are communist and they do not want the democrat candidate because they believe what donald trump says. Ody is going into looking i doubt they have a watched cspan hearings which would show a lot of what is really going on in this country. Democrats are good people like the other gentleman said. It is donald trump who is the fascist, the one who is not respecting all of our votes and our Voting System is actually not corrupt. It is donald trump that is corrupt and i am disappointed in this country for voting for him in so many numbers. They are so gullible. Fox news needs to be taken off the air by the way. Lets go to richard who is calling from lynchburg, virginia. Richard supports joe biden. [indiscernible] that is it. Rob callinggo to from easton, north carolina. Rob supports President Trump. Caller good morning. Looks like you are having a nice, sunny overcast time there in washington. Thanks for taking my call. I have three or four minutes. Please let me finish. I am american. We have had democrats and republicans on both sides of my family and we like to work for the American People into see things done that are predictive. This is my take on the election here is who won the election. Mr. Donald trump had an economy , was aen if you disagree dynamic thing and middleclass middleclass wages were rising. Indigenous, native, people of color, black, everyone was doing good and here who ones here who o one the here is the election communist party unleashed of this virus on our country. The democrats saw a situation they could take advantage of. Mr. Biden said you do not need to have a and on travel from china and europe then he turned around in two months and said he ban onht have a travel from china and europe then he turned around in two months and said he was right. They saw the fear in the populace from the covid19 populace could be used in many ways. What they have done is there is a male out ballot thing where you have mail out ballots where they have no signature be checked. They can be easily counterfeited but they are sending them out to everyone on the voter rolls. States,y in the united you can point out 10 or 15 different examples, there are people who have moved, people who are dead who are still on the roles. The father and son mayors of chicago were famous for that. California, new york, the populous states, there is no problem with that kind of voter fraud. I think we have one of the best Voting Systems in the world, but the chinese won and people in the tech world. The 1. 8t access to money ineople with china. Anything they can do. At the democrats lay down even when they had some of their campaign stops, they had the pledge of the pledge of allegiance and mr. Biden took out the reference to god. Host Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell talked with reporters in kentucky friday, waving off questions about the president s fraud allegations. Here is what senator mcconnell had to say. Certain i am the majority leader yet. That will be determined in georgia on january 6. It makes a big difference whether you are the majority leader or the minority leader. 5050f you end up with a situation. 2000 and it050 in was uncertain because we had not been equally divided in the senate since the 1880s. Leader at the time got together and decided to set a precedent. It made a lot of sense how they settled it. The Vice President breaks the tie. Dick cheney was the Vice President. It makes a big difference who wins. Democrat wins the two seats, Chuck Schumer would be the majority leader. The significance of that job is the majority leader gets to decide what the agenda is, what you are going to do, what you are not going to do. Host lets look at some of our social media followers and see what they are saying about the president ial election this morning. Here is one text of came in that said we need to prepare for the use of the 12th amendment. s legal action is aimed at crating a contested making a contested election. Hee is a tweet that says will be known as a president election stolen from him. Each state has its own election process. Florida started counting votes early. Calling from james manhattan, kansas and supports joe biden. Good morning. Caller this is actually mike from somerville. Host go ahead, mike. Biden andvoted for harris. I wanted to call and then to talk about misinformation. Upt last caller really set the subject pretty well, listening to him talk about the coronavirus, how it is a chinese conspiracy to gain control over the u. S. I was listening to someone who is a former google employee the other day. He told a story about how u. S. Google could not really make an impact, but he raised a good point he was talking about how we are on the cusp of an important time with respect to misinformation. We have social media about 10 years old. What we have seen is algorithms that shoot the most controversial news to the top. We have a platform that can spread misinformation in a really catalyzed, fast way. It is to the point where facebook is all over the world. We have seen and other social media. We have seen what that has done in the u. S. He was talking about how in other countries it is essentially unregulated. It is to the point where facebook is contributing to things like genocide. It is affecting people who do not even use the platform. It is interesting. Foreve there is some need regulation of information, which sounds scary and nobody wants to when you have conspiracy theorists like a on for reaching the reaching thousands of people globally and you see it affecting the populace like that last caller who thinks the coronavirus is a conspiracy it is not. Host lets go to frank calling from georgia prayed he supports President Trump. From georgia. He supports President Trump. Caller i support President Trump. Before the man was even impeach 45. President. Craw of many the americans. This other caller talking about banning fox there needs to be some censorship. Some of the stuff that Mainstream Media was putting out 90 of it was antitrust. Host who would you censor and who would you want to make the decision on who gets censored . Caller that is a hard question. I can world war ii and world war i there were censorship laws. The country has gotten irresponsible. Even myself probably, i get off the hinge and say probably incite violence. That is the main thing. You have to think about what is best for our country. Had this china virus not happened, biden would not have been elected. Calling from manhattan, kansas. James supports President Trump. Go ahead, james ho. Caller i was go ahead, james. Caller the misinformation and conspiracy theories are way out of hand. The citizens are under bad ed bad education in our country. We need to improve our education system. Thank you. Host mike is calling from dallas. Caller i would like to say one thing. And is not about trump. It is not about trump. Look at how they treated bush. They wanted him to be a war criminal. It is not about the democrats hitting trump. Hatingte republicans trump. They hate republicans. I do not see how biden is going to change that. Host there were congressional and senate races during this election as well. The democrats have held control of the house of representatives while they control of the senate as we heard Mitch Mcconnell say is still up in the air. Yesterday House Speaker nancy pelosi discussed what the ocrats upcoming elect upcoming agenda will be and Mitch Mcconnell as potentially the next majority leader. Madam speaker, the previous for president s four president s entered their first year with their party fully in control of congress. How much do you have to trim that it is at best a 5050 senate . How many times have you heard me quote lincoln . Everything. Ment is with that you can accomplish almost anything, without it, nothing. The public once the economy to reopen, they want children to go to school safely, the public wants a big job till. I do not care if you are in michigan, alabama, san francisco, people want jobs. When we talk about the health and wellbeing of the American People, job security is an important factor of health for those people. Forward with an infrastructure bill, that is usually not partisan. We are going to blanket the build back better. We called it moving america forward. We have a great deal in common between those two agendas. Goingthere is other news on in washington as well. A story that broke yesterday is the story i wanted to bring to president Donald Trumps chief of staff mark meadows has been diagnosed with the coronavirus as nation sets daily records for confirmed cases. Two Senior Administration officials confirmed friday that meadows tested positive for the virus, which has killed more than 236,000 americans this year. His offered note details on current condition. His diagnosis was first reported by bloomberg news. Several other staffers have tested positive as well. Even though we are spending most of our time talking about the president ial race, there is other news going on in the nation. Lets close out this first hour by hearing more from you on the president ial race. Lets go to brenda calling from indiana, pennsylvania. When do supports joe biden. Brenda supports joe biden. Caller trump and his supporters miket some do not trust pence. Mike pence and kevin kobach, headed a voter fraud commission. At the end of october 2018 mike pence issued his report and the report stated there was no voter fraud found. They reviewed every states voteion process and counting process and mike pence issued a report that said because of the numerous redundancies in each states processes, that the possibility of fraud was highly unlikely. Apparently trump and his supporters do not even believe their own Vice President mike pence. Host lets go to clyde calling from newport, arkansas. Clyde supports President Trump. Called president believe he gets things done. The gas prices, gas prices are prisonerso up, the from kubo when they opened the borders they let the prisoners out of their prison cuba when they opened at the borders they let the prisoners out of their prison. The president talks like a jerk but he gets things done. Deborah who isto calling from belleville, illinois. She supports joe biden. Myler give me time to get point out. As a democrat and a christian, i oururt where are country country is at. The history of this country started out on tragedy. The people who came here to this country from the beginning did murder andng thievery, taking the country and killing the people they took the country from. That is how it started out. The second thing i want to say is joe biden has been in office for 40 some years, no scandals, nothing major you have ever somethingim doing wrong. All of a sudden he is a crime family. While he was Vice President with differences, have but it was nothing like this. Thatkeep to try seems like it does not matter. All these lies coming out and ublicans hate democrat paint democrats with a broad brush like we are nothing but bad people, which is not true. To adam fromo clearwater, florida. Caller it is interesting because i think that at this day and age in america with as many people as we have in this country, joe biden and donald trump are the best two candidates we can come up with. It is sad for our nation and i like your tie. That is all i have to say. Are once again, there still votes being counted around the nation and several major states that will help decide this president ial election. In pennsylvania, mayor jim kenney d came to the microphone to defend the vote counting being done in his city. Here is what jim kennedy had to say. [video clip] urgingent out a letter patients and calm. In the days to follow you have shown it in spades. Stay calm and above the fray. What we saw on the streets outside this Convention Center was celebration. The residents of philadelphia assured our city shined as an example of how to run an election correctly. Remember this is not about a victory for a single candidate or party. This is a victory for our democracy. That may sound cliche but it is true. The votes will continue to be valid ballotevery is counted. While the president continues to spew baseless claims of fraud, claims for which his team has not provided one iota of evidence, our Founding Fathers systemceived of this would be proud. After the constitutional convention, we stand at this Convention Center and claim the system works, the people have spoken. Host that was mayor jim kenney voting out the counting of votes in his city. We go to doran. Doran supports President Trump. Caller a month or two from now, republican ore democrat, when you are getting your shots of the virus be glad donald trump did what he did by moving some things out of the way. The other thing i want to say about the virus is that it was handled wrong to begin with. If you look in the bible, how they handled leprosy, consider if this was bubonic plague. Would you basically what they did was colonize people until they were sure they were cleaned. You had infection in one place into ever went to help those people had to go through and whoever went to help those people had to go through a cleansing process. I do not know how many people are aware of this, and i just came to this information, two things is that there are different programs and devoting machines. And voting machines. One of the programs is faulty. From dets go to cassie soto, texas. Cassie supports joe biden. Caller my comments are every citizen in this country has the right to affiliate whichever Political Party best suits their needs. However, in all of my life, i such ignorance, corruption, and a morality coming from the top seat. Peoplea problem with leaving that this man, or our sitting president is not a moral. He is a liar. You cannot believe very much what comes out of his mouth. If the numbers were different and he was trending to win this election he would be quiet i take that back. He would be quiet about Voter Suppression sorry, voter fraud. Host lets go to frank who is calling from tulsa, oklahoma. Frank supports President Trump. Caller good morning. Please give me a chance to get this out. Host we are running out of time in this hour, so go fast. Used the scorecard and at the hammer to steal another president ial election int like obama and biden did 2012. Jones,nning and alan february 2000 nine, Obama Administration commandeered a powerful february 2009, Obama Administration at commandeered a powerful supercomputer called the hammer capable of stealing the vote. From a supports joe biden. Caller good morning. Yes, i do support biden. He will be our next president. I am so glad because getting covid19 under control, it is obvious trump and his administration do not care about that. It is killing thousands and thousands of people into that is so wrong. That is morally wrong. Ist lets go to lois who calling from lakewood, new jersey. Lakewood, new jersey. Lois supports President Trump. Caller i got your comment on the last caller. There was the spread of covid. What are the death rates . No one seems to mention what the death rate is. Another statement is the democrats paid. They sent over two hundred Million Dollars to get somebody out of office into office. Can you imagine how much they would spend to get somebody out of office . This election, we should have been allowed to go vote. You put on a glove. We are allowed to stand in line at the Grocery Stores but we cannot go vote for a president . This election is totally we need a do over. Host coming up next, robbie sauve discusses his recent piece criticizing Media Coverage of the Trump Campaign and Trump Supporters during the election. Later, National Popular vote cofounder and president barry fadem. We will be right back. Sunday on q and a, Los Angeles TimesSupreme Court reporter david savage on the 2000 bush versus gore Supreme Court case which cited the president ial election and how the case compares to the legal challenges filed by the Trump Campaign. Once in a generation case where, from the beginning, five republicans who took the view of the bush team, which was all of the votes have been counted in florida and bush has one. I thought that is the position President Trump is in. Once you have lost, once the votes have been casted and counted, and you have lost, it is very hard to go to court and persuade a court to essentially step in, jump in, change the rules and overturn that result. 8 00vid savage, sunday, at p. M. Eastern on cspans q and a. Use your mobile devices, laptop or phone to follow the Election Results at cspan. Org election. Interactive Election Results maps from the Electoral College count and popular vote count statebystate. Balance of power in congress, latest video on demand about the election process. Go to cspan. Org election. Washington journal continues. Host we are back with robby soave, who is a Senior Editor at reason magazine and wrote the recent article, the media had four years to figure out trump avoiders voters and they blew it. Robbie is here to explain to us his article and what it means. Robbie, good morning. Guest great to be with you. Att your recent article reason magazine, the media had four years to figure out trump voters, they blew it. Explain to us, first of all, why you wrote this article. Tell us who you are talking about when you say the media. Guest the media is a broad category. I am talking about the posters, the people who loudly assured us that biden was going to win in a massive blow up. The votes are still being counted. And, when joe biden does to my mind look likely to win and eke out a narrow win in several states. If you have been following the experts, they predicted florida, they predicted a democratic senate. They predicted all sorts of things that have not come true. I think, in part, because they have struggled. They got this wrong last time. Which is why i said they had four years to improve. They have struggled to identify, talk to and speak with the trump voters, the Republican Voters out there. Many of whom are not they say it is all white voters. This time, we know trump did much better with latinos particularly. Possibly other minority groups. Failure togreat actually comprehend what is going through the minds of people who cast their ballot for trump. This a failure in polling or is this a failure in what you call the media . Guest i think it is a failure on many fronts. The data begins with the pollsters. Your assumptions proceed poorly from there. Again, just to explain how poorly the whole thing was, i think there is not a single poll taken that showed Susan Collins ahead of her challenger. Many polls showed her behind by 6, 7, 8, 12 points. She easily won. The senate races went much better than expected. Republicans. The polling is bad. There is a narrative about who trump voters are that does not fit the reality of what we are seeing. Host explained to me what you see as the narrative and what the Mainstream Media is getting wrong about the Trump Supporters. Guest there has been a lot of talk about how it is all about race. The republican party, the Trump Coalition is the party of white people. You have minority voters. If you have more turnout among minority voters, democrats would do better. I think that there has long been an idea that republicans are antidemocracy in the media. If we could turn out more voters and get more people in the polls, you would have democrats do much better. To be clear, it is clear that joe biden will win the popular vote. But it looks like trump has also gotten more votes than he got last time. From some categories of people, even racial groups for whom voting for trump is not supposed to have been a reasonable possibility. What it looks like is trump has assembled there is a class divide going on. Therking class versus highly educated and the wealthier voters, who are moving increasingly in the Democratic Partys direction. That is probably what is actually going on. It is not a preferred narrative by people in the media and many who are liberal by political orientation or progressive. For whom, race is the interesting category. Class is not as interesting to a new generation of progressive thinkers. Class looks to me like the more salient factor. Host explained what you mean by working class. Guest people often think workingclass means lower class or low income. They are there are, of course, working class people who make a lot of money. More money than i do. It is for positions that do not require the same amount of necessarily College Degrees or you dont have do you are dont you have manager status. Runs the people who do not the company but people who work for the company. Host it sounds like you are talking about a High School Graduation split with the College Graduation split. More than actual money. Look at that, that will probably be the statistic that would best capture a massive split between trump and biden. Host one of the things you wrote is that it is unfortunate that many in the media, including and especially the continue toaders get things so wrong. Massive polling errors are bad for cultivating a wellinformed citizenry. Explain what you meant by that. Many many politicians, policy advocates, people who ,ork in the business of ideas it matters to them what people think and what they think, which ideas are popular with the voters. The american citizenry. Information,hat liberal policies, are more popular than the cotenant have, alternative, they are more likely to be voted on and approved by legislators. What the American People have said resoundingly in their confusing ways is they want divided government. There is no mandate to do much of anything. There would be no ability to do much of anything. It is not confirmed that georgia might go to a runoff. A massivelyon divided government. I dont think there has been a democrat to take office with a senate for i think the last time was the 1880s. I guess that is what the American People wanted. That is something more people should try to understand. Viewers takeet our part in the conversation very we will use the same lines from the previous hours. If you support joe biden and Kamala Harris, your number is 202 7488000. If you support President TrumpVice President pence, your number is 202 7488001. If you supported another ticket or you did not vote, we want to hear from you at 202 7488002. Keep in mind, you can always text us at 202 7488003. We are always reading on social media, twitter and cspan wj and on facebook at facebook. Com cspan. Like you said a few seconds ago, the senate race and control of the senate has not yet been determined. With a possible runoff for the two georgia seats later on this year. Senate,rats do take the does joe biden claim he has a mandate and be believed . I think he can claim the more important thing is he will actually be able to do something with his power. Having taken office. Whereas, if the republicans has the have that majority, Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell, mcconnell can make his like a nightmare from the get go. It matters for whether the democrats i dont know that biden wants to do this but many immigrants want to do these big structural changes, like packing the courts. Something that will actually give them more of an institutional advantage. The perception among democrats is that it is stacked against them because of the senate and representation and how it works. They need to change the institutions so that they could have a majority and protect the majority. They have to get a majority first before they can do that. Host i want to talk to you about something that surprised a lot of people on thursday. President trump came out for his press conference at the white house. But, several of the Television Networks cut away while trump was talking. The Washington Post ro about it. I want to get your reaction to it. In a striking editorial decision, the countrys three leading Television Networks cut away from President Trumps misinformation heavy address of the white house. Cbs had 22 Million Viewers during their evening news broadcast. All initially on the white house before cutting away. Msnbc did so too. Cnn and fox carried the entire thing. Robbie, what do you think about the networks deciding to pull away from President Trump during his press conference . Not a i would say i am fan of this very the networks are private companies and can make the editorial decisions they want. They are not obligated to air the president s speech or anything else. I find it annoying found it annoying when they did this. They did this periodically during the convention. Saying that they would like to fact him as it is fact check him as it is going on. That seems like heavyhanded gatekeeping. I would let the people see what the president is saying. If they want to explain it afterward, that is fine. Of course, they could should do that. President trump has said things that are not based in fact or wellfounded. No, i have no issues with him being corrected. There seems to be an idea in the media that we cannot we have to so protect people from disinformation. Way the word disinformation has been west weaponized concerns me. Offle springs will not turn because they hear something that isnt true. They will not become infected by the idea and incapable of learning the truth. Host lets let our viewers take part in the conversation. Speaking on that exact same topic, not the exact same topic but something close. One of our social media do yours wants to know, think that Mainstream Media polls are purposely putting a to suppresslowout the gop voter turnout . This is what you are talking about. Our polls affecting the people who vote . Polls affecting the people who vote . Guest i dont think it is malicious or intentional but it is an error and a mistake. Polls are conducted by phone for they have a problem if people do not answer their phone as much. There is an idea. I hear this from voters. They say they dont answer their phones. They are older americans. Think that they are prank calls or spam calls. Certainly, some people are trump voters are reluctant to tell anyone, let alone posters, that they are voting for trump. Whatever the reasoning, it is obelisk that there is a problem because the polls have, twice in a row, and this time worse than last time, underestimated trumps vote totals. Host lets go to our phone lines and talk to don, who is linton,m maryland north dakota. Don says she didnt vote. Good morning. I got tohe only thing say is there is no color. We are all the same color. It is time to set my people free. That has been said for thousands and thousands of years. Host go ahead and respond, robbie. Guest i think there definitely is obviously that is an admirable sentiment. Too think there is a desire a preference for talking about issues in a racial lens in the media that i have noticed. It is liberal, left of center, Mainstream Media. Race, sex,e for gender, those kinds of categories of oppression and how that affects the president ial race and politics and stuff like that. When there is a class divide onng onto some degree and to some degree and to a greater extent. I find that interesting. Host lets talk to judy, who is calling from miami, florida. Julie judy supports President Trump. Good morning. Caller good morning. I wanted to ask a question. How do you think it is expected for a president that cannot speak how do you expect him to rule this world that is america . That the idea, to get harris involved . Clarify me on that. Half of the time i have seen him, the guy is babbling his words. Host i guess she was trying to ask about what you think about joe bidens speech patterns. Guest right. It is known that joe biden has a speech impediment. It sometimes makes his words sound more jumbled than they are in his head. The most reasonable way of saying that is that both candidates, the president and challenger are very old. Even among people who run for president , among past president s we have had. So, it is reasonable to be somewhat concerned about their health and perhaps their mental fitness. I say this about both of the candidates. It is so weaponized against one or the other. People say there is something wrong with biden and the way he speaks. That the fact that both of them trip over their words does not necessarily mean that their thinking is not all the way there. Isis that public speaking difficult and sometimes you mess things up. I am not overly concerned about that. There are people within the Progressive Coalition who wanted anybody but joe biden. Of theas the last choice farleft. Kamala harris is greatly preferred. I dont think there will be effort to cut bidens time in the white house short but certainly she will be next in line and maybe sooner rather than later if progressives get their way. Host we were talking about the Mainstream Media earlier and how it deals with and covers Trump Supporters. Fox news has gotten a lot of criticism from Trump Supporters over the last two days, especially behind its call of arizona. How has fox news played out during this election season . Guest i have been watching coverage from all of the networks, which includes fox, cnn, nbc, etc. All of the coverage from the networks has been responsible and wellinformed. Look, elections are very fraught times. We are and evenly divided country. About half the country once democrats, joe biden, etc. About half one trump, republicans, etc. There is a lot at stake. It is really better. I can understand peoples anger at losing. There is a sentiment, obviously, among trump people that it is being stolen from them. It isnt. It is the nature of the mailin ballots coming in later. Disproportionately, votes for trump were cast earlier and will be tabulated earlier. I am sure it is frustrating, watching the very slow, gradual reversal take place. As fox and other networks have pointed out to their viewers, we are not seeing widespread evidence of voter fraud. Even if we were, that voter fraud goes so far in one it would nott change the outcome. You will find cases where ballots were wrongly cast. That does not prove it was illegitimate. You would have to have it happening so much and 90 of those were holding hurting trump, rather than biden, rather statistical even or relatively even split. Has been educating trump support is about that and should continue to do so. Host the theme of your article is that the Mainstream Media does not understand Trump Supporters. Does fox news understand Trump Supporters . Guest i think fox news understands them better than mainstream outlets. Certainly, they give much more attention, they allow, they showcase people who are protrump. They have people who work there to give opinion programs and articulate their views of people in that way. Ifow, if you were people were to switch back and of thes i do between all Different Networks and redifferent newspapers and read mainstream newspapers and also read conservative opinion journals, if you were to do all of it, maybe you would get a good sense. Too many people go to their preferred partisan source for news so you are always only getting one perspective. Host i am like you. I spent Election Night switching between all of the different channels. Especially knowing fox news was using the exact same numbers as the Associated Press. Two to patrick, who is calling from chicago, illinois. Patrick supports joe biden. Patrick, good morning. Caller good morning morning, gentlemen. Have a question. I would like to make a statement first. It is that trump voters, the thing that is so difficult to address with them is that trump tells so many lies. The individuals believe it. It is almost like you are living in a fantasy land. When you try to address it in the real world, in the United States, you cannot address it. Because it is alive. My question is how can we what is the true disenfranchisement of trump voters . The truth in reality, not in the lies that trumps trump tells. You cannot address the lie because it is alive. I want to know what the true disenfranchisement of the trump voters is. Also, the fact that people are ing it is not true. The thing going on in pennsylvania, why the votes are delayed is because the legislature in pennsylvania stated that those votes could not be counted early. They had to be counted the day of the election. What pennsylvania did was they counted the in person votes first and then the mail in votes now. They should have done it like florida did. I think what republicans are doing, they try to market the water so that people feel like they are disenfranchised when it is not true, when it is alive. Host go ahead and respond. Guest the caller makes good points. I agree with them. Here is an issue. The media makes it sound like trump is the first politician to Say Something that isnt true. Thats not true. Politicians get things wrong. Sometimes accidentally, sometimes on purpose, all the time. I think a lot of people who support trump, they think he is treated unfairly or he gets disproportionately called out or attacked by the media. I do think i think there is some truth to this some of the time. During the debate, i heard trump say a lot of things that were not accurate. I heard biden say things that were inaccurate too, in his speeches. Not just that he misspoke or he lost track of what he was saying. But actually has made policy calls that are wrong. Call that out. Ia i think there is a perception that matches reality, somewhat, that the Mainstream Media does it to trump more. They portray trump as someone a uniqueiquely spreader of disinformation. It is not to say he does not say things that are wrong. Tootally agree that efforts pave this election as illegitimate or fraudulent are totally wrong. There is no evidence for it. You have to present evidence for first. If you want to Say Something is fishy, say what it is. Every legal option to be should be available to you. The people saying that are presenting a shred of evidence. Host you have given the narrowness of bidens presumed victory, it seems unlikely that trumpism has been given anything resembling a death blow. A couple of questions. If biden wins arizona, pennsylvania, nevada and georgia, he will have more than 300 Electoral College votes. Does that still count as a narrow victory . You seedefine what trumpism as the . Guest sure. It gets into semantics a little bit. It will not be close in the Electoral College it they all go that way. But it might be the margin in those states is very small so it is closer than it looks. The pollster says they thought florida was going to go for biden. None of this would have mattered. We would have known that immediately. Then i would have said yes, that is a huge blow and a stinging rebuke of trunk. Trump. That did not really happen. I think trump had to lose really, really, really badly for the gop and conservative voters to say he is a failure. We are done with trump, we have to look elsewhere. I think that at this level of votes closeness, it could look less close as we wrap things up, i think as it is now, trump did not lose badly enough for the faithful to abandon him. Trumpism without trump is something that the intellectual conservatives who support him talk about. Trumpism is this new workingclass coalition that he has assembled that breaks from conservative orthodoxy or previous conservative orthodoxy on issues like trade. Libertarian,e less which is my view. It is more anticorporate and antibig business, speaking to the concerns of the little guy. And deeply concerned about immigration. That kind of ideology and conservative is what the intellectuals of trumpism want. Bably they think they are they think there are people who can better deliver the message than trump himself. Trump is more of a character than someone with deeply held ideological views. The question becomes, without , and this group of ideas, would they be so successful on their own if there were someone other than trump who is the avatar of them . That has not been demonstrated yet. It could be true. We may not have to find out because trump is not going away. Host excluding President Trump, still, win the election, but who would be an inheritor to trumpism . Would it be his sons or his daughter . Is there another politician who seems to be ready to pick up the trumpism mantle . Guest you would think and i would think that someone in the is someone whose last name is also trump. It could be someone in his family. The election is not done yet and we are talking about what could go on in the next one. It is a pundits curse. I certainly think that maybe don or if not a member of the chum family, mike pence, for having name recognition, would be wellpositioned to make a go of it. On the other side, so many tensesdiscounted bidens chances in the primary to begin with. So many people pronounced his campaign dead in the water and i thought it was crazy. He is a popular Vice President , he has better name recognition that elizabeth warren, Kamala Harris or cory booker. If that dynamic played out again on the other side where josh hawley, tom cotton, nikki haley, all of these interesting republican names you hear a lot, i would like mike pences chances or another member of the chum family, probably more than many pendants would say. Roxanne, whoalk to is calling from pennsylvania. She supports President Trump. Good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. I appreciate it. I am for mr. Trump. I believe he has been treated very unfairly in all of the years he has been in there. He has done a lot for our country. Mr. Biden supports socialism. I am not for socialism. I dont want the government telling me what to do every day. I dont want the country shut down again. And i think you should have a revote with no mailins. Host go ahead and respond. I disagreebiden with a lot of joe bidens policies on the economy, on everything, really. I would not call him a socialist. Certainly, there are actual socialists who would like him to go in that direction. There are members of the Democratic Party who are more adjacent to socialism. Aoc type people. Pieceism, i wrote another after the one we are discussing, i think this election was a huge rebuke of socialism. Actually, the latino vote, the cuban vote in florida, which trump did so well with, helped him carry the state. Part of it was messaging that was suggesting that biden and it is not totally unfair because there are elements of the Democratic Party that are wanting toore implement policies that are adjacent to powell socialism. Willid minority voters vote for progressives and leftists and liberal policies. It was not true. They have no fondness for socialism. There was a Democratic Congress call and a moderate democratic person said i almost lost my race because we were being described with socialism. No one should use the word socialist again. This is a loser for us. I think that will be that will be the take away Many Democrats will have in this election. To which i say, good riddance. Host define what you mean as socialism. You have some a people defining it so many different ways to read some people say Social Security is socialism. Some people say medicare is socialism. To find what you mean as socialism. Guest socialism is a political structure where the workers own the means of production. Usually, visavis the government. The government essentially owns control and direct large swaths of the economy. That contrasts with the free market where you have Competition Among private entities. Socialism often sounds nice in theory. Because the government is not good at running everything, it is not really good at running anything, it leads to a bad economic situation. Food shortages, etc. It has been associated with horrible political repression in latin america, in Eastern Europe china and elsewhere, because Eastern Europe, china, and elsewhere. It seems in practice, you need to deprive people of their civil rights and Political Liberties in order to stay in a socialist regime. People are totally reasonable to be fearful of it. It is Something LikeSocial Security socialist . Having a massive Government Program without competition is it will always be sort of socialist. If you have minimal government involvement or one thing the government does, you would not see say the whole program is socialist in that way. Areuld not say that we socialist in our current iteration. Our what about one of social media followers once to follow up on the discussion we were having earlier about the abouton we were having the working class and the high school educated or college educated. They want to know what about the division between rural and metro areas in politics. Guest certainly. There is that division. The democrats have a lot of concern that rural voters have to double a much political power because of the way the Electoral College works and the way the senate works. Small States States with people haveewer two senate votes and three Electoral College boats at least, votes, at least, by default. That is a concern the democrats have about how the split breaks down. On the others, i think conservative republicans are disproportionately likely to live in rural places. They feel like their issues have not been represented and they have been crowded out. America,ems in rural talking about the opioid crisis, manufacturing jobs moving overseas and other things like that, i think there is a perception that they are not being heard out. Nothing is being done to help them. They have some very real problems. Lets go to david who is calling from los angeles, california. David supports joe biden. Morning. Good morning. Caller good morning. I think what the person from the magazine is manifesting in his interpretation of socialism, a mainstream notion of the ruling elites conception of socialism. And here is my point. I submit to you that the socalled mainstream, as well as donald Trump Supporters or fox people or socalled conservatives, they both are manipulated by the ruling elite. Millionaires and billionaires control fox news. Mainstream,alled msnbc, cnn, are also controlled by the ruling elite. Is that safe to say . Yes, these are companies that are owned by wealthy people and they are forprofit companies trying to make money. Are, dont yes there and there are wealthy people who give money to democratic causes or republican causes. There is a ton of money in politics. To there is an attempt influence people. This is often portrayed as more nefarious than it is. This is the way things work. You are allowed to spend money to try to get your will and the political results you want. Certainly, there is money and there is power behind everything. But that is the reality of the way it is. Host you wrote a book called panic attack, young radicals in the age of trump. Tell us what that book is about. Guest sure. My book was following a subject that i think has become of greater interest with the kind of campus freespeech battles that probably many viewers are familiar with. Some of them, being the of speakershutdowns an and harassing of professors, often conservative but sometimes liberal by intolerant students who did not want another perspective to be allowed to exist on the campus. Occasionally, even provoking violence in places like middlebury college, yale, evergreen, etc. I interviewed a lot of students for why they preferred those tactics. Most of them were leftist students who did not want to have a Free Exchange of ideas on the campus. I think their ideas have spread from the campus to the broader society. It is something we see with the term cancel culture. Saying thea mobs for wrong thing or something that offends a group of progressives. It is on social media and it is also in the Mainstream Media. A lot of newsrooms are grappling with this. The new york times, earlier this summer, they fired they got rid of the opinion editor because he ran an opinion piece by tom cotton that was offensive to many people on staff. I think it is concerning that you would not be able to express an opinion that half of the country probably agrees with because it is offensive to a small number of elite liberal arts graduates. Host one of the things we have not had a chance to talk about is the political power of the Young Conservatives and the political power of the young voter. I am tonguetied this morning. Trump university released this information after the elections. Overall, apparently, Tufts University released this information after the elections. Overall, a barely, young people under the apparently, young people under the age of 30 supported biden, six he 6 . Young black people, 76 . Asians, 69 . Latino, 51 . What does that tell us about young voters and what does that tell us about the power of young conservative voters . Guest young voters tend to be more liberal and move to the right overtime, when they start paying taxes. They moved to the right. Those are interesting numbers. I am struck by the last one that it was an even split according to that data for the latino vote. I think that progressives have shot themselves in the foot with latinos is what we are saying. I have actually followed this with my book. The young, radical, left waiting leftleaning activist thai people have insisted that even the term latino is offensive because it is gendered. They have put forth this alternative term, latinx because it does not have gender. I think that is offensive to a lot of latino people. You would not know this if you were only talking to elite liberal arts college graduates. But, latino people do not like this term. According to a study i wrote about, only 2 actually wanted to use latinx. If you are talking to voters in this academic jargon sort of way, it is going to turn off minority voters. To some extent, that is happening with the latino vote. With the young vote. It is an interesting phenomenon. Host lets talk to michael who is calling from stamford, connecticut. Michael supports joe biden. Good morning. Caller good morning, jesse. Good morning. I support joe biden. He looks like he is really going to win the election that is coming up, that has happened. These people who are backing trump, i dont get how you can just keep on saying he won and everything is rigged. Everything has been rigged, rigged, rigged, with the witchhunt, it is made up, it is a hoax. Have you heard any of those words out of obama or any other president . Those people, they are nuts. They want to have a new election . What are they thinking about . Really . Nothing. Done they all say he has done so much, why has he really done . Tax cut forg billionaires. He has not really done anything. What . Host go ahead and respond. Guest i think there is a persecution complex among trump where, trump republicans , thisre was a lot of perception that the cia or the deep state was out to get trump. They were spying on him or there was surveillance. I am a libertarian. I have long been concerned about the surveillance of american citizens by the government and by the National Security apparatus. I think it is a bad thing and something to be worried about. I wish more republicans had taken those kinds of concerns seriously when these things were being implement it during the bush years, the patriot act. Now, many of them were like this is a problem. They only say it is a problem because it is being done to trump himself. I am concerned about the administrationty there callous way of handling our civil liberties. Maybe that happened to trump too. It happens to regular american citizens. Lets not personalize this problem to just being about trump himself. Host lets talk to jim who is california. Jim supports President Trump. Caller hello. Good morning. I have two points to make. I have never seen anything like this election. Like this presidency in my 70 years. Reason you seehe a 50 split down the country, when this president has been attacked from day one, the day they went down the elevator, it 24 7,20 47, nonstop nonstop. Was there any evidence . Nobody asked where is the evidence. It was just an allegation. We can go through the ukrainian inquisition and so on and so forth. Then, when you have literally you have to be honest literally all of the media except for a couple of outlets bashing, bashing. That, to me, is Voter Suppression. What is it called when you cannot turn on the news and get the weather and it is rainy outside and they tell you it is 90 degrees . There is something wrong. People are really confused. If we cannot at least be honest with ourselves and say we are not getting proper information when we should, that is really the biggest problem. My last point, robby, is this. I think you are missing the point with what is going on with the election counting. There were some subtle changes made at the end where they were able to expand dates. They were able to ignore signatures. Ofy were able to dump a lot ballots. Host i will let you go ahead and respond before we run out of time. Guest i think the relentless politicization of all aspects of life is exhausting and part of the cause of what the caller was talking about. I do agree, that is the point of my peace, some criticisms of trump from the media were unfair or exaggerated. I think the russian inclusion stuff was one of them. I think there was not a lot of good evidence, at the end of the day, that there was significant or important russian efforts that mattered all that much. So, certainly, i see the callers point. I read about these things too. That said, i dont think the election is illegitimate. I think trump is, and has been, not because of the media, because of john, deeply unpopular with roughly half the country. Trump, deeply unpopular with roughly half the country. It looks like he is going to lose and that is just the way it is because we are a divided country. A lot of people like trump and a lot of people do not like him either. T we would like to think thank robby soave, author of the article the media had four years to figure out trump, they blew up a thank you so much for your time. Guest my pleasure. Host coming up next, we will talk to barry for dean barry fadem. We will be right back. American history tv on cspan3. 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Created by americas Cable Television companies as a public service. And brought to you today by your television provider. Washington journal continues. Host we are back with barry fadem, the cofounder and president of National Popular vote. Barry is here to talk to us about his groups effort to promote the National Popular vote, rather than the Electoral College. Good morning. Guest good morning. Thank you very much for giving me to time the time to talk about the National Popular vote plan. Host tell us about your organization. What is the mission of National Popular vote . Guest the mission is very simple. The mission is to guarantee that whatever president ial candidate sees the most votes in all 50 states and the District Of Columbia is elected the president. So, we want the president to be elected by the National Popular vote. States e in all 50 you have the vote in all 50 states and the District Of Columbia and that is the winter. Home without my constitution and the cspan copy of the constitution. One giveso section state legislatures the exclusive right to decide how to order electoral votes. Today, 48 states have the exact same state law called winner take all. What that means is whoever wins the most votes in that particular state receives all of the electoral votes of that state. But, two states do it maine and nebraska do it by Congressional District. Why do they do it . Because the Founding Fathers in the u. S. Constitution gave them the right to make a decision. The question is what is in the best interest of our voters in how we award electoral votes . The second provision that the proposal is based on is interstate compact. A fancy term for agreement among states. Every state in the country interstate compacts with other states. It is simple. It says the following. Instead of rewarding out electoral votes to whoever wins the most votes in our state, we will award our electoral votes to whoever wins the most votes in all 50 states and the District Of Columbia. The most important part is when would this go into effect . How does that work . Agreement is this goes into effect when enough states pass and joined the compact and we have heard 270er and over again votes. Any candidate who receives 270 electoral votes is guaranteed to become the elected preston. How close are we president s. How close are we to making this change and can this change be in effect for the 2024 election . The answer is yes. As of today, 15 states and the District Of Columbia half past this proposal. That adds up to 196 electoral votes. For this proposal to go into effect for the 2024 election and have the president elected by the National Popular vote, we more electoral votes. Needen now and 2024, we several additional states to pass this proposal. What is of interest to your viewers is that the voters of the country made it very clear that they want the president elected by the National Popular vote. Mentioned the you National Popular vote or the Electoral College. That is not the situation. The Electoral College is not the problem. The problem is the 48 state laws that are winner take all. . Hat does that create increase battleground states and spectator states. A battleground state is a state where both parties say we can go in there and win it. The entire president ial campaign is conducted only in the battleground states. A spectator state is a state where both parties think it will be reliably democratic or reliably republican. We will not campaign in those states. Lets take a quick look at this 2020 election. 97 of all of the campaign wereities and campaign as in 12 states. 12. When you do the math, that means 38 states in this country did not participate in the president ial election. The voters in this country no between aifference spectator state and battleground state. If you are in a spectator state, you know your vote does not matter because it is predetermined how your state will vote. Only the voters in battleground states decide who is president of the United States. We say we are electing the president of the battleground states. To three or four states. The voters of those states, pennsylvania, nevada, arizona, they are going to decide who is the next president of the United States. It is not the voters of the 50 states. That is what the National Popular vote would change. In order for this to be in place for the next president ial election, so that we never have chaosch this turmoil and that has still not ended as of today, that could all in it by 2024, we go to elect the president by the National Popular vote. The National Popular vote is what the voters of this country want. Everyone a mapow of the states that have already passed and agreed to the National Popular vote legislation. Any particularng state over the next four years where it looks likely that the voters will agree to this . Host the National Popular proposal is active in every state. What is interesting, if you look at the 16 states, we can group them. You have small states like hawaii and delaware and rhode island. You have middle sized states like colorado, connecticut, maryland, massachusetts. Then you have large states, california, illinois and new york read in terms of new york. In terms of what states we are isking to get for 2024, it every state where people feel the president should be elected by the National Popular vote. We need 74 more electoral votes. Vote billal popular successfully passed the Virginia House this year. They have a short session. We will be back next year to pass the bill in the senate and put the bill on the governors desk. That is 11 electoral votes. Instead of needing 74 electoral votes, the number drops to 63. We will be actively working in states across the country. Again, we need to get to 270. We are very close. If the voters in this country want the president of the United States to be elected by the National Popular vote in 2024, we can accomplish that. If a listener or viewer wants the president to be elected by the National Popular vote, they need to do one thing. Today, as soon as they can, go to our website. National popular vote. Com and use the right year legislature feature. The legislators of this country can make this happen. If the voters tell their legislators to past the National Popular vote bill like 16 states have done, this could be in place for the 2024 election and we will never have to watch chaos that has resulted from the Current System. Host one of the questions that we are seeing coming up from our social media followers, i will ask you the question myself. The system you are describing is not a straight popular vote system. Why not go for a straight popular vote system instead of still keeping any vestige of the Electoral College . Guest that is a great question. Today, the Electoral College is a rubberstamp for the 50 individual state votes. , theational popular vote Electoral College would remain a rubberstamp as the national for the National Popular vote. The Founding Fathers gave state legislatures very Important Role in the president ial election. The Founding Fathers said you decide what is in the best interest of your state. What is the best way to have electoral votes in order for your votes to be in the president ial campaign . Doesational popular vote one thing. It makes every vote in every state and every president ial election count equally. Shares twon voter really important values. The first value is one person, one vote. The second value is every vote is equal. The voters of this country want the president elected by the National Popular vote because they want to participate in the president ial election. 38 states this year, all of the voters in those states did not participate in the president ial election. How, in the most important election in the world, as i have heard commentators talk all week, the entire world is watching the United States, scratching their heads and in a country, every candidate who receives the most votes wins. And here, you have a candidate who is 4 million votes ahead, people are wondering and cant understand why someone who wins the National Popular vote i 4 million votes is not elected president. Viewers takeet our part in the conversation. We will open up our regular lines. Emocrats, 202 7488000 republicans, your number will be 202 7488001. Independents, you can call 202 7488002. Keep in mind, you can always. Ext us at 202 7488003 we are always reading on social media on twitter and cspan wj and on we know states can figure out on their own how they do their Electoral College. And nebraskamaine are doing it different already. One of our social media comewers wants to know how the states that have already agreed to the system are not implementing the policy this year. Reason the National Popular vote pose a liz based on two provisions proposal is based on two provisions say 16 states agreed today to award all their electoral votes most votesns the in all 50. That does not guarantee. The guarantee comes when the president receives 270 electoral votes. That is why we need other states to join this agreement to get that number. 196 electoral votes, if they were awarded to the candidate who won the most votes, would not guarantee that that person would become president. We can guarantee that person becomes president if they receive a block of 270 votes. That is the magic number. We need 74 more to get to 270 and we think we can get there in time for the 2024 election if the voters rise to this occasion and help us. Host lets talk to tommy, calling from malden, massachusetts on the republican line. Caller thank you for having me. Before i make my statement, i would like to ask both of you. I am enrolled in massachusetts. What are you registered as . Host i do not talk about my political affiliation, but i will let very answer. Barry answer. Guest i am a registered democrat. Caller this will never happen because the Electoral College prevents the small states from being rolled over by los angeles, california. East coast liberal bastions from massachusetts to pennsylvania and everything. I think you have zero shot of getting this done. The peoples republic of massachusetts will probably go for it, but i would not hold your breath. Thanks. Guest the good news is that your state has joined the National Popular vote compact, so your electoral votes are part of that 196. As i traveled around the country, many people asked about small states. 12 outt situation of 13 small states in this country are not battleground states. They are spectator states. The only battleground small state is new hampshire. Offor many decades, 12 out 13 small states have not participated in the president ial election. Of all the states in the country, the small states are probably the most punished under the Current System. 12 out of 13 small states sit on the sidelines. But you do not have to believe me. Why dont you believe the legislatures and the governors of small states . The Founding Fathers said the state legislatures decide what is in the best interest of your state. Theawaii, rhode island, District Of Columbia, delaware, legislaturesheir and governors decided that the National Popular vote proposal was in their best interest and that is why they joined the conflict the compact. Why . Every vote counts. Every vote in every state. If you are running for president under a National Popular vote, there will be a 50 state campaign because every vote counts. A vote cast in massachusetts counts just as much as a bow in florida or california. As a vote in florida or california. The campaign will only be yourcted in large cities, point, for example, los angeles. Cities do not control the election. Big cities in this country are not as big as people think. Largestake the 100 cities in this country, it only makes up about 19 of the vote. We already know how a National Popular election will be conducted in the 50 states. Candidates would campaign everywhere. The National Popular vote proposal was on the colorado ballot. On tuesday, the voters of colorado the headline was National Popular vote proposal popular in colorado. The proposal was approved and voters in rural areas, suburban areas, in the cities, voted for the National Popular vote. Why . And ae a vote in a city vote in a rural area will count the same. Ins campaign, hopefully, 2024, will be conducted in all 50 states, and every voter will have the opportunity to have their vote count. Host lets talk to keith, who is calling from denver, colorado on the democratic line. Good morning. Caller i am all in. This is a wonderful discussion and it is about time we had it. Just some context for republican callers. Donald j. Trump expressed his opposition to the Electoral College, calling it a disaster for democracy. And hillary clinton. So you had both candidates expressing their opposition to the Electoral College. The Electoral College is a vestige of constitutional racism, plain and simple. It is time for it to go. We are a republic, yes, but we can do it in a more just way. It should be just. Lets look at one state, wyoming. 600,000 people. Right . What did you say . About 93 of them caucasian. This is the most rural state in america. Host go ahead and respond, barry. Guest i think the viewer for his support of the proposal and i think what you express is a good summary of how the voters in this country feel. On Election Night in 2024, the voter will be sitting there watching the screen, watching the numbers run. I think the numbers are 74 million on one side and 70 million on the other. What is it that the voters want . Y want to know is they want to know that the vote counted. The they can see that there one vote counted. Their one vote counted. It is on the screen. When thendly, counting is over, which ever has the most votes in all 50 states and the District Of Columbia is elected president. That is what the voters want and that is with the National Popular vote can deliver. If the voters of this country will help us with state legislatures to get us to that 270 mark, this can and will be in effect the 2024 election. No more chaos. Ont last weekend, we had history professor alan lippmann, who explained why the Electoral College system was put in place in the first place. [video clip] why the Electoral College . Why did the framers set this up . There are multiple reasons. The framers loved the common people, but not all that much. They believed the populace could swayed, believe swayed by unscrupulous demagogues. The vote to to give people with a stake in society, or at therty owners, minimum, taxpayers. Also, a buffer between the people and the president ial vote , this group of wise men known as electors, members of the socalled Electoral College that would be apportioned statebystate. By the way, in the original u. S. Constitution, and in any of its amendments, there is no right to vote. People think they have a constitutional right to vote. They do not. It is not in the original constitution and all subsequent amendments on race, on sex, on age, are all phrased negatively in terms of what the states absolutely cannot do. And the only directly elected National Representatives under the original constitution until the early 20th century were members of the u. S. House of representatives. The president was selected by electors and the u. S. Senators were selected by the state legislatures. Course, ishing, of that the Electoral College is intimately tied to slavery. The slave states in no way would countenance the popular vote for the president because then the slaves would count for zero. And of course, the free states did not want the slaves to count for anything, so there was this notorious 3 5 compromise. For purposes of congressional representation and the electoral aslege, slaves would count 3 5. Treated asy were property and the slave states, they would expand the congressional representation and Electoral College votes of the slave states. Host behind that definition from professor lippmann, we have a social media faller who want media follower who wants to know do you believe a republican can win the white house without the Electoral College. When is the last time a republican won the Electoral College and the popular vote . Guest in 2004, had 60,000 votes changed in one state, george bush would not be president , despite winning the popular vote. This is a nonpartisan proposal. Arizona, in a republican chamber, two thirds of democrats and two thirds of republicans voted in favor of the National Popular vote proposal. Why did democrats and republicans come together in arizona to support that bill . The answer is they took to heart what the Founding Fathers said to them. Decide what is in the best interest of your state voters, arizona, in awarding electoral votes. Arizona, in 2016, was not a battleground state. At that time, the legislature decided it was in the best interest of arizona for arizona to be able to participate in every election. What the National Popular vote does, it makes every state a battleground state, every vote s invery state count every president ial election. I love the debate about the federalist papers and what the Founding Fathers really mean. A very interesting intellectual discussion, but lets focus on the final decision they made. The final decision the Founding Fathers made was, state legislatures, you decide what is in the best interest of your state. We will let you make that decision. The waytes have changed they award electoral votes. Massachusetts changed how they award electoral votes 11 times since they became a state. Was this winner take all method. That is currently the law in 48 states, with the massachusetts governor, a number of years ago, past the popular vote proposal because they determined it was in the best interest of their state to determine electoral votes to whoever wins the most because that would guarantee massachusetts voters would participate in the president ial election. So the Founding Fathers made a brilliant decision, years ago, to let state legislatures make this decision. So state legislatures over time could make sure they were awarding electoral votes in a way that benefited their voters most. That is why 16 state legislatures, counting the distinct district of colombia, agree their voters are better off if they get to participate in the president ial election. And they get to participate with the National Popular vote. Host i will go to another social media question. I am getting it over and over. I want you to answer it directly. States how is having disproportionate power in the Electoral College not in their best interest . Answer is they have no influence in the election of the president. That is the major point here. Small states are totally ignored in the president ial election. Their votes do not count. Small states, again, if they want to participate in the president ial election, their only hope of doing so would be under a National Popular vote. Today, small states have zero influence in the president ial election. Under National Popular vote, all the votes in those states would count toward the National Popular vote. That is how small states will increase their influence from zero to actually being a battleground state. Every state becomes a battleground state under National Popular vote because every vote in every state counts. Host back to our phone lines. Kenneth, calling from albany, kentucky, on the republican line. Good morning. Caller good morning. God bless you and god bless barry, but what i am trying to i would like they are coming around about this voting stuff here in the United States. Who is funding you and is everyone trying to get to the United States to where we will go into a communist nation . Is that what you are trying to do . One party will take care of the whole thing for the rest of time . Host go ahead and respond. Guest what we are trying to do with the National Popular vote proposal is give every American Voter the right to participate in the president ial election. We are trying to make every vote in every state count and that is the sole purpose of this proposal. Look, again, it cannot be denied that the majority of voters in this country do not participate in the president ial election. There votes really do not count. And the voters of this country their votes do not count if you live in a spectator state. A couple years ago, someone was complaining, look, i do not live in a battleground state. My vote does not count. Thats not fair. The response was, well, why dont you just move from your spectator state to a battleground state . Thats not the solution. The solution is to make every vote in every state count. The only thing National Popular vote is trying to accomplish is make sure that the president of the United States is elected by all the voters in all the states, not by just the voters in the battleground states. Host through the system you are advocating, the Electoral College would still exist, but it would be done a different way. If we wanted to get rid of the Electoral College, how could that be done . Would it require a constitutional amendment . Guest great question. The first point i want to make is that to accomplish national apular vote, you do not need constitutional amendment to abolish the Electoral College. First point many of ouroint is supporters do not support abolishing the Electoral College for a very important reason. The Founding Fathers gave state legislatures a very Important Role to play in the election of the president. State legislatures decide how to award electoral votes. At the end of the day, if you abolish the Electoral College, states lose their power to make that decision. Nationaln accomplish popular vote without a federal constitutional amendment to abolish the Electoral College, that is the way to go. And that is what the National Popular vote proposal does. It guarantees that, whichever candidate sees the most votes in all 50 states and the District Of Columbia, is elected president. That is the purpose. Host lets go to vicki, calling from austin, texas on the democratic line. Good morning. Caller good morning. Im sorry, i have a hard time making myself clear on these call ins, but it seems like if you go to the National Popular vote, all you are doing is switching the focus to the big population centers. Like, why would anybody waste their time campaigning, say, in wyoming . Texast they just go to and florida and new york and california . It seems to me it would be better if you did a proportional allotment, which i guess is what those two states have, so each state allots their electoral votes based on the states popular vote and not the National Popular vote. That seems to be a better compromise and a better solution because what you are doing, in essence, is trying to move to a pure, 100 democracy without any kind of sense of the republic, which is a key part of our system. Lets take the big city, big state point you made. We know today how the president ial election would be conducted in all 50 states. All we need to do is look at the battleground states today, how the campaign was conducted in these 12 states in the 2020 election. If you look at the campaigns, president ial candidates went everywhere in those states. They went to big cities, suburban areas. They even went to rural areas. Why is that . Under winner take all, every vote in a state counts. That is why big cities do not control estate election under the Current System. State election under the Current System. Under National Popular vote, the states would reflect the voters of all types. It really does not matter. Again, every vote in every state would count, and no president ial candidate is going to ignore any state or part of the state. If you look at how the campaign was conducted in the battleground states, you will see that the campaign that they campaign everywhere. Andsystem used by maine nebraska is the Congressional District method. Method does not deliver the two things voters want, for every vote to count and the votes in all 50 states to be added together to create the National Popular vote. In the Current System, we have 12 battleground states. In the Congressional District method, the entire election would be conducted in competitive Congressional Districts, and under reporting and redistricting, there are very few. So instead of having a campaign conducted in all 50 states and the District Of Columbia under a National Popular vote plan, the campaign would only occur in a limited number of Congressional Districts. The National Popular vote plan is the only proposal that delivers the two things the voters want make my vote count and whoever receives the most votes in all 50 states should be elected president. Host on wednesday, Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell defended Electoral College system. I wanted to play for you what he said. [video clip] know, ionnell as you do not engage in random observations about those comments. I can give you my point of view. Thisresidential election, underscores the beauty of the Electoral College. Everybody is always taking shots at the Electoral College. Imagine if you did not have the Electoral College. Election ina close the popular vote count. When would the litigation ever stop . What the Electoral College guarantees is you have finality in 50 separate places, 50 separate places. You get to a final outcome. We saw, under the electoral 2000, a close election in one state created a fiveweek week challenge to get the outcome in the bush versus gore decision. So we should be grateful for the Electoral College in a close election like this. There will be finality reached in 50 separate places. It may take a while for the voting to finish and both sides will probably be lawyered up if it is a close election. That has happened before and could this time. Host i want you to respond to what Mitch Mcconnell said there. I want you to talk about whether congress has a say in whether we have a National Popular vote system or continue to use the Electoral College system. Guest i listened carefully to what he said. I do not want to shake my head on camera, but, first of all, it is not the Electoral College that creates the chaos we are currently undergoing, as i stated before. It is the individual state laws, the winner take all laws in 48 states that create the system. When the speaker talked about finality, here we are on the saturday after the election. We still do not know who won. We know that litigation is forthcoming. And this is all happening in an election where one candidate won the most votes by 4 million votes. People, most voters in this country, would agree that whoever wins the National Popular vote should be elected president. So, again, i know people want to keep talking about the Electoral College, but the Electoral College is not the problem. The Founding Fathers gave states the right to decide how to award these votes. If they want to change it from winner take all to National Popular vote, count all the votes in all 50 states, and that is your winner, they can do that under National Popular vote. The Current System does not permit that. Host does congress have any type of say on whether states go to National Popular vote . The u. S. S, constitution, again, provides shallate compacts receive the consent of congress. That is not required before we get to the 270. The interstate compact can go into effect. Once we reach 270, you will see two things happen. Congress will approve the compact. Secondly, the u. S. Supreme Court Litigation will occur. We started this progress project in 2005, we fully anticipated this would be challenged and go before the Supreme Court. Litigatore court resides in your city, washington, and was part of the drafting process of the interstate compact, so we are bullish on the fact that the Supreme Court will approve it. Those are the two things that will happen once we get to 270. Host lets see if we can get more callers in before we run out of time. Calling fromay, woodlawn, tennessee on the republican line. Good morning. Caller yes. One thing i have noticed sitting here listening this morning is that he has not mentioned anything where the majority of the votes come from, when it comes to voting in democrats. If we move to this type of system, then you will have california, new york, massachusetts, a lot of the larger states, higher populations, voting the president in. Host go ahead and respond. Guest one can make the argument that under the Current System, large states control the outcome of the election. But that is not true because, for every large state, for florida, there is a california. For texas, there is new york. So when you look at the large states today, they do not control who is elected president. Bigr National Popular vote, states, again, would not control the election. Lets use california. I do not know the exact percentage between democrats and republicans, 6040, Something Like that. So there are millions of republican votes in california and throughout the country. All of those votes would count under a National Popular vote. Under the Current System, californias 55 electoral votes go to the democrats because more republicans,e the so all those republican votes under the Current System just disappear. They count for nothing. Under National Popular vote, every vote in every state will count, whether republican or democrat. Cities tes, big what will control the election will be the voters in all 50 states, everywhere. Cities, rural areas, suburban areas, that is who will make the decision on the National Popular vote. Host a question from social media followers. If this popular vote mechanism were applied to the last eight or 10 president ial elections, how with the historical results change . Guest president ial history, we who won four president s the Electoral College but did not win the National Popular vote. The one thing this proposal would guarantee moving forward, that would never happen again. The only thing that would happen to American Voters is you count out the votes, if electing the president of the United States and all the voters in all the states would participate in that. Host we would like to thank barry fadem for being here with us this morning and going and talking to us about the National Popular vote. T so much for your time. Thank you so much for your time. Calls onour telephone what is going on with the president ial election. We will be right back. Tv on cspan 2 has top nonfiction books and authors. Gay roxanne gay on the work of activist audra lord. Eastern, justice on the late Supreme Court justices writing. Lloyd and her book coming full circle, from jim crow to journalism. At 2 00 p. M. , black lives matter cofounder with her book, when they call you a terrorist. Eastern, the washington thoughtsic offers his on the volume of books written about donald trump in his presidency in what were we thinking . He is interviewed by pamela paul. Watch book tv this weekend on cspan two. Washington journal continues. Host we will spend this final halfhour listening to you on what is going on with the president ial elections. 2lines are going to be lets look at the Electoral College map. You can look at cspan. Org. With 264 is leading Electoral College votes. President trump has 214 Electoral College votes with the states of nevada, georgia, north carolina, pennsylvania, and alaska still left to be called. Lets go to the phone lines and lets talk to scott, who was calling from illinois. Scott supports joe biden. Good morning. Caller good morning. Host go ahead, scott. Caller i think this is a Fair Election. A lot of the republicans calling in our disgruntled republicans. We are all americans whether we are in red states or blue states. Think about it, you watch the cable news channels and you have seen these people bust into a reelection. Umps they were left out in the freezing cold, subzero temperatures, and they had to walk back for miles. A lot of them were taken to the hospital. Joe biden would not have done this. He would have had them bust back. Bused back. They are just out for the votes. As soon as they get the votes, you are thrown away like a piece of garbage. A lot of people have died so far. A lot more infections are coming up. These republicans are not Wearing Masks and they are spreading this like wildfire. They are leading the lambs to the slaughter. Marie, i will to not even try to pronounce the name of your city. New york. Ok. Caller i have been voting for a long time. I am in my 70s. This election scares the hell out of me. If this was a Fair Election and biden won, i would not like it but i would accept it. What is going on right now is what is going on in communist countries. Host what do you think has been unfair about the election . Caller what i have been seeing votes, they are getting people from the grave have voted. What states have you seen where people who are dead have voted . Caller i think it was nevada or arizona when they somebody was on tv saying Something Like that. I do not know if it is true. Ifs areese what giving me something to think about. I dont know if it is fair or not. I dont understand why all different states have to have different rules for a national election. I could see for local elections. When it comes to president ial elections, there should be one system, one way of voting, one set of rules for the whole 50 states. They should be abided by. By them doing whatever they want to do, we dont know what is really going on in these counties. We dont know what people in these counties are letting their counties get away with. How are we ever supposed to know for sure . They said in 2016 that trump was an illegitimate president. No, he wasnt. The democrats discounted him and they did not think he had a chance. They decided, you know what, when it happened, they could not handle it. From 2016 until now, they have been planning this to make sure it did not happen again. Because he was a threat. Host lets go to kelly, who was calling from garden grove, california. Kelly supports joe biden. Caller thank you so much, cspan, for having such a wonderful platform for both sides to contribute to our country. I just wanted to say that the last caller, it sounds ironic that when trump was elected in 2016, everything was fair. Now all of a sudden, it is a big controversy. Place thateguards in allow for this to let the process happen. I wanted to also thank the National Popular vote gentlemen for doing his bidding. It is a great platform and i wholeheartedly support it. One man, one vote, and that is the way it should be. , callings go to tim from charlotte, north carolina. Tim supports President Trump. Caller the main reason i was calling, and the reason i supported donald trump was it was not the words but the deeds that he did. He was asking republicans what had trump actually done. They were caught off guard and a couple of them could not even answer because it is overwhelming what he has done. Let me give you a few. He has created more jobs for more for all people, especially minorities. He gives us energy independence. He did the canada mexico deal. V. A. Rt accountability, securing our border, built up the military, removed regulations that stifled industry, brought manufacturing back to america, Police Reform by executive order, prison reform, school choice, opportunity zones for minority areas, canadaamerican oil pipeline. Host are you reading off a list . Few. R this is just a what is wrong with america . Forget how this man speaks. Look what he has done for this country. Host lets go to stephen who was calling from fort lauderdale, florida. President trump has tweeted this morning there will be a Lawyers Press conference at the four philadelphia. Lets go to stephen. Stephen supports joe biden. Caller good morning. I want to say to the last caller from that list. He lied to the American People. He allowed 235,000 americans to die. That is why he is not getting a second term. I do want to Say Something about donald trump. I think he is a great con artist. He created a political cold in this country not unlike that of hitler. Adolph i feel sorry for my fellow americans who continue to follow him and have lost the meaning of truth. If you watch fox news, you wonder what world we are living in. E of the excavations accusations that donald trump is made about the election are factual. It is to stir up another distraction because he does not want to lose this election because he knows that the minute he walks out of the white house, he will end up either in prison or in debt and have to leave the country. News,in other election there is a story that came out of ap talking about a text that went around the country. I will read a couple of paragraphs. A Texting Company run by one of president Donald Trumps top Campaign Officials sent thousands of anonymous Text Messages supporters to rally while votes were being counted in philadelphia on thursday. Claiming democrats were trying to steal the president ial election. Message is directed directed trump fans to converge at a downtown intersection were hundreds of protesters from the opposing candidates camps faced of thursday afternoon. A televised address predicted a victory. This kind of messages playing with fire and we are lucky it does not seem to have driven more conflict, said a Senior Researcher at the university of toronto on want online watchdog citizen lab. People are still very concerned about all of the counting and all of the electoral process going on. Lets go back to our phone lines. Lets talk to renate, who renee, who is calling for michigan. Renee supports President Trump. Caller good morning. I do support President Trump. Some of his policies, i do not agree with everything he says. Youk to the caller dont know what these counties reasonng and that is the why authority is given to state legislators. Border control down at the south of the state is not an issue when you are in the north. Have these Difficult Conversations and we need to have a Free Exchange of ideas without attacking each other. That way we can understand what might be best for our citizens and for america. We need to be united and stop the division. Who lets talk to david was calling from baltimore, maryland. David supports joe biden. Caller good morning. Host go ahead, david. Caller i support joe biden whense of the fact that biden and obama was in, we were in a depression and they brought us out. A lot of things they brought us out with are a lot of things that were put in practice about laws about taxes and everything. That was obamas project. Those laws were put into effect. Along comes trump and put us back into a depression and the same people that run us out of the depression the first time will be the ones who bring it out bring us out of it this time. Joe biden knows all about it because he was there. Host lets go to doris was calling from lakeland, florida. Doris supports President Trump. Caller good morning. How are you . Host just fine. Caller i support donald trump. Trump did a good job for the United States. This is gods country and i know biden was going to win because. Arris and pelosi had the floor god help their souls. I want to know what biden is going to do for the country the next four years. , who wass go to mary calling for monticello, new york. Mary supports joe biden. About the question is coronavirus we have. Is right. Who about trump made comments people die every day. Yes, people do die every day, but not like the number we have had upstate new york that died. President obama andbiden was Vice President to findrump paid people out if president obama was illegal and his grandfather was a veteran. How do you work in a way that when you are trying to down someone, you always have to be right . All of us is not right. Him whatking at he says or what he did or anything like that. The way he talks like he controls everybody. Host one of the things we have not talked about this morning at is the surge in coronavirus going on in the country. I will read a couple of graphs from npr on what is going on with the coronavirus. New coronavirus cases in the u. S. Reached staggering highs this week. The second week in a row of recordbreaking growth. Hospitalizations rose quickly, approaching levels that will soon eclipse the spring and summer. On wednesday, the country recorded more than 100,000 cases in a single day, a threshold dr. Anthony felt he warned lawmakers the u. S. Could reach if the virus was not driven down before winter. By thursday, cases had jumped even higher to more than 121,000 in one day. New u. S. Cases are up 55 over two weeks ago on average. All of this is going on while they are still counting votes for the president ial election. Lets go back to our phone lines and talk to nancy, who was calling from austin, texas. Nancy supports President Trump. Good morning. Caller this is not really my comment but i did want to say that it is important to look and see the flu cases we are having now. It is amazing to see how we do not have hardly any flu cases this year. I wonder what they are being called. What i called about was pennsylvania. It would be, difficult for me to believe that pennsylvanians would invest, vote against their own two core industries. Are they wanting to become a third world country . It makes me it makes it difficult for me to understand. Also, everybody wants a Fair Election. Everybody wants the real votes counted. I think we need to look at watermarks. That is the way you tell it is a real ballot. We have to look at that. We need to let people in there and to watch, close enough to watch what is going on. It is a little bit concerning when that has not been happening. Why hasnt it been happening . We know the voter rolls are trashed. There were dead people on their all over the country. We all know this. We all want a clean election. Thank you for your time. Host the caller brought up the flu. I went to the center for Disease Control and they have a map about the flu season right now. You can see most places, it seems the flu is minimal or low. Apparently, it is taking off in iowa. There seems to be some concern in at least one state about what the flu season will be like this year. Lets go to lee, who was calling from georgia. Lee supports joe biden. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. My comment is about the Electoral College or whatever form you would find for collecting the vote. The key to it is an informed electorate. The people have to have true and real knowledge to actually maintain selfrule, which comes down to what the republic is about. If we are going to survive as a country, we have to look past who is giving us the information to possibly how valid the information is. We are talking about those think tanks. Republicans have something well over 100 think tanks, organizations like the Heritage Foundation and so forth. 24 7 toople operate gather information. You have Actual Services that take information in and change it from the truth to something that people will buy into. That marketed information is not necessarily the way it is. If you get a president who gets up and make some kind of statement, as false as it might be, you change the narrative to match. That means you went down the primrose path. As far as this president to goes, he is not trustworthy. He has been recorded with well over 20,000 lies. You have to call it like it is. Host our next caller is calling from tennessee. Lisa supports President Trump. Caller i did vote for President Trump. Election as well as the selection. I am a christian as well as this election. I am a christian. I believe the republicans, when it comes to abortion and civil rights, we need to be concerned with what god says is right and what is wrong in his word. That he has provided for us. We need to be trusting in him, that he is in control. Not us. People listening to our president when he is stating things that are not factual as though they are facts, we do not need to be listening to people that things are facts unless they are able to true prove it. Fraud as the election and disappearingts mysteriously through the night, these are valid mailin votes the democrats mostly have done because they are concerned about the covid as well as i am. Am,g a republican, i still but a lot of our republicans are thatning to donald trump seem to be as though covid was not that big of a deal. We need to be looking for facts. Not just because of what people say. I am getting tired of everybody assuming that whatever he says is right. Mary, whos talk to was calling from las vegas, nevada. Mary supports joe biden. Caller good morning. Experience i wanted to share. Perhaps it would help some of the other callers. One of the things about voting is understanding voting and understanding voting is pretty complicated. I had that opportunity to work knew all of the administration required and training that is required that , mailnto vote counting from overseas, all of the places we get votes from. Votersistrar of receiving information from health and Human Services about deaths and how those are recorded and taken out of the system. There is a lot of information that one can learn if they would like to work with the registrar election during an period. It is not just what you see at the polls. It is an Actual Office that has a lot of work. They have an observer and an observer needs to be trained as to what it is they are looking for as they go through trying to determine whether a vote is legal or not legal. That is my comment. I really thought i really felt i learned a lot just by working for the registrar of voters. Host chris is calling from silver spring, maryland. Chris supports President Trump. Caller how are you doing . Host what program are you talking about . Caller dominion voting company, whatever it is. They have changed 6000 votes from trump to biden. Host where did you get that . Caller that is online. Host just on the internet. Caller it was used in 47 counties. It has been found in clark county, nevada. Georgia, wisconsin. Host lets call lets go to randall who was calling from ohio. Who did you support for the election . Caller i support joe biden. I decided to go with biden. The last four years have been a mess. Maryilyn,s go to who was calling from miami. Caller i support biden. I voted for him. I am tired of the rhetoric, the namecalling. Experience of being the Vice President before. He knows what he is doing. Ismp, on the other hand, he a good businessman. To be a good businessman, you need to know how to lie and steal. Biden is here to get us moving. With trump, everything is a lie. All of the rallies. Not wey covid has are climbing the ladder because of all the people at these rallies. No masks, no distancing. He doesnt care. Host lets go to dennis who was calling from illinois. Dennis supports President Trump. Good morning. Caller good morning. I wanted to talk about the popular vote. I did not vote because i know that chicago will negate my vote because it always goes democrat. Does anybody else feel that way . It is that way in new york and texas, also. Host lets go to mark, who was calling from sunrise beach, missouri. Mark supports joe biden. Caller good morning. I looked at this election as a winwin situation. If trump did not get in there, the stock market was going to go to heck. If biden gets and there, i will throw all of my money into marijuana because they will legalize it right off the bat. It is a winwin election this year. We need to change over to the popular vote. The only thing we can do this time is put all of our money into marijuana and make money that way. Host we would like to thank all of our callers and all of our viewers and all of her guests. All of our guests. Continue to wash your hands and stay safe. Join us again tomorrow for another washington journal. Have a great saturday, everyone. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] topv on cspan 2 has nonfiction books and authors every weekend. Today at 1 00 eastern, from the gayeary festival, roa on the life of the late activist audra lord. At 11 00 p. M. Eastern, the late Supreme Court justices writings. Eastern, more 00 from the Literary Festival with wanda lloyd and her book coming full circle from jim crow to journalism. At 2 00 eastern, black lives matter cofounder with her book when they call you a terrorist. At 9 00 eastern, the Washington Post pulitzer prizewinning book credit book critic offers his thoughts on the volume of books written about donald trump in his presidency. His he is interviewed he is interviewed by pamela paul. Watch book tv this weekend on cspan 2. Sunday on q a, Los Angeles TimesSupreme Court reporter david savage on the 2000 bush versus gore Supreme Court case which decided the president ial election and how the case compares to the legal challenges filed by the Trump Campaign. It was a once in a generation case where from the beginning, there were five members of the court, five republicans who took the view of the bush team, which was, all the votes have been counted in florida and governor bush has won. I thought that is the position President Trump is on now. Once you have lost, once the votes have been cast and counted and you have lost, it is very hard to go to court and persuade a court to essentially step in, change the rules, and overturn that result. David savage, sunday at 8 00 eastern on cspans q a. The Supreme Court hears oral arguments on the Affordable Care act and the consolidated cases of texas v California California v texas on tuesday at 10 00 eastern on cspan. It was challenged by texas after a 2017 republican tax law eliminated the penalty for not having health care insurance. Listen to the oral arguments live at 10 00 a. M. Eastern on cspan, on at cspan. Org Supreme Court or on the cspan radio app. Liness go to our phone and talk to bob, who was calling from utah. Bob supports joe biden. Good morning. Me thanketting you for letting me call in. What bothers me the most is they anddemocrats are communists socialists. A socialist is