Transcripts For CSPAN Washington Journal 11062020 20240711

If you support another candidate or perhaps you did not vote, 27488002 call 2027488002. As the vote rolled in from the suburbs of atlanta, biden now has a 1096 vote lead. While mr. Biden leads and the trending pattern of votes favors him, a major News Organization did not call georgias rates race over. Still outstanding are overseas and military votes that phrase a friday face a friday deadline to arrive by mail. The Atlanta Journalconstitution reporting ballots, norentee was it one of the newly minted democratic suburbs. It was clayton, the south metro county that is the bluest bastion in the state that provided the decisive votes. Were presented by john lewis, the late civil rights icon, who was one of the most vocal critics of President Trump. There is more to that story. Theis available to you at Atlanta Journalconstitution. If you go to the front pages of wall street journal, it highlights not only the events taking place in georgia with joe biden taking the lead there, but also the president lashing out over the vote count, going before cameras at the white house. You can see that full event at our website, cspan. Org. Heres a portion from the president last night. [video clip] Democrat Officials never believed they could win this election honestly. That is why they did the mailin ballots where there is tremendous corruption and fraud going on. And that is why they mailed out tens of millions of unsolicited ballots without any verification measures whatsoever, and i told everybody that these things would happen, because i have seen it happen. I have watched a lot of different elections before they decided to go with this big, massive election with tens of millions of dollars going out to everybody, in many cases totally unsolicited. This was unprecedented in American History. Design despite years of claiming to care about election security. They refused to include any requirement to verify signatures, identities, or even determine whether they are eligible or ineligible to vote. People are walking in there they have no idea. They are just writing down things, the workers doing a lot of bad things. We have a lot of information coming in litigation that you will see that will shake even you people up, and you have seen it all. The officials overseeing the counting in pennsylvania and other key states are all part of a corrupt democratic machine you have an about and for a long time you have been writing about the corrupt democratic machine. I went to school there, and i know a lot about it. It has not changed since a long time ago. It has gotten worse. Host again, the president from last night. See that at cspan. Org. Even with the new developments of yesterday, the Electoral College map still saves the same when it comes to joe biden with 264 Electoral College votes and the president with 214 votes. This information you can find on our website at cspan. Org. It is provided to us by the Associated Press as they continue watching the various states. We will your calls for the next hour. Bob in amsterdam, ohio, a supporter of joe biden. You are up first. Good morning. Caller thank you for the call. Listen. Joe biden is going to be the allident, and trump can cry the wants, and so can all of the gop, all of the republicans can stand out there and cry, but biden is the new president and i hope they put trump in jail like henuary 20, just let his lawyer go to jail on the things he had done. That is all i have to say. Host mr. Biden Still Standing at 264 Electoral College votes of the 270 votes needed. In washington, d. C. , our line for supporting others or those that did not vote. Caller i voted for hawkins on the green party, and of course, because of the Electoral College in the District Of Columbia, it is almost automatically a democratic election, and it is the Democratic Party. It is Democratic Party, right . When the president says democrat, nobody seems to correct him. We need to get rid of the Electoral College, and reform the office of the president tsai to bring it down a whole lot of notches in power. I also think the hierarchal system in the senate and the way policy and mcconnell control legislation it basically disenfranchises all of the other representatives who cannot even offer amendments. We need to reform our system. We are in huge trouble. What else could have been a description of what has been going on for the last few years. Host cap. Daniel in washington dc. This is from indiana, robert, a supporter of President Trump. Caller it is guys like the first one that called that has troubled this country. People cannot see that we have complete corruption in this country a guy sits in his basement, never gets out, and he can be president . He has been there 47 years . What has he done . I dont see, as hard as trump , he was campaigning, to see the people that support i tell you, these democrats are dumber than in my life, i am 83 years old. I have never in my life seen such idiots then we have got on the democrats said. Net of them are worth a penny. Indiana, at in supporter of President Trump. Former Vice President joe biden going before the cameras yesterday giving his assessment of the race. [video clip] Vice President biden in america, the vote is sick. It is how the people in this country express the vote is sacred. That is how the people in this country express their will. So, each ballot must be counted. And that is what we are going to see going through now, and that is how it should be. Democracy is sometimes messy. It sometimes requires a little patience as well, but that patients has been rick rewarding now for more than 240 years with a system of governance that has been the envy of the world. We continue to feel the senator and i we continue to feel very good about where things stand. We have no doubt that when the count is finished, senator harris and i will be declared the winners. So, i ask everyone to stay calm. All people to stay calm. The process is working. The count is being completed, and we will know very soon. So, thank you all for your patience, but we have to count the votes. Host the Trump Campaign launching several legal challenges to votes not only in one state, but in several states. In Washington Post it gives highlights to some of those challenges. Saying it was in thegia that a judge denied challenge to disqualify over 50 ballots that may have arrived after the deadline. The poll watcher offered no evidence the ballots arrived late. Then, in michigan, a court of claims judge said she would deny the campaigns request for an emergency alt. Halt. She said the request made little sense since account count is not finished in the state. In connecticut, meridian. Gary. A supporter of joe biden. You are next up. Caller good morning. I am very optimistic about joe biden winning the election, but i am especially pleased at the message that he has put out, that he wants to bring all americans elected back together. I think with the exception of a minority of trump supporters, many of the people who i know who are truck supporters voted for him based on their 401 k s doing well in the stock market. Of course, my belief is the reason for that is that trump had cut f intereste rates, pressuring thed pressuring to fed to cut Interest Rates near zero so people have no place to put their money. Or economy is in deep trouble. We need a lot of help to put out. One other comment about donald trump personally. He has claimed to be a successful businessman. He isnt. His whole life he was born with a civil spoon silver spoon in his mouth. He was given hundreds of millions of dollars that he lost after one scam after another. Who goes bankrupt running a casino . Host kelley. Or, supporter of President Trump. Caller i just wanted to say i am registered as nonaffiliated. I do see and agree that President Trump does have a Bad Reputation as far as how he talks to people in what he says, but at the end of the day, i can say the economy has been very good compared to when obama was in the office. My mom used to own a mexican thee and i saw firsthand dollar in that time of the u. S. Presidency was at nine pesos a dollar. Today it is anywhere from 20 22 paces alar to dollar. That shows you how the economy has grown. I do feel strongly that no president couldve done what donald trump does, and i feel most people do not like him because of his mouth. As far as the votes right now, even if it was former vice where we areen votes, iese numbers of think it is fishy. How do you have roughly 100,000 votes just come in in the morning, all of a sudden, and they are all coming in for biden. What you think of the likelihood of North Carolina going for President Trump . Caller i have good hope for President Trump. It is very close. It is rough. I dont know. It could go either way. It could go either way. I do have high hopes. At the end of the day, whoever wins, so be it. In northt is kelly carolina. New york times looking at the assessment of both counts in North Carolina. Reported with the president enjoying a lead, 50 compared to mr. Bidens 48. 6 . From virginia. This is michael. A supporter of joe biden. Caller good morning. I am very elated this morning. I am looking forward to mr. Actually miss harris taking us forward in a positive way, and in a solid way. The divisiveness we are about to eliminate that is sitting in the white house right now as we speak i think biden has run an excellent campaign. I think he will be a good example for how to run government, how to execute government, and how to set the tone for the next four years, and give our young people who dont have experience in blueprint, sort of, a on how to learn to govern with civility. So, that is what i feel. Host from michael off of facebook this morning again, if you want to post on our Facebook Page it is facebook. Com cspan. He says the president knows he is losing, one candidate is acting president joe and the other is scared of the aftermath. Paul also off of the Facebook Page save starting with fraud, they are cheating big time. This will go to the supreme atrt. You can also text us 2027488003. Oteri ballots came up in another story history and background provided by the Washington Post. U. S. Troops have been voting by mail since 1912 in larger numbers in the civil war. In 2020, troops and their families sent 620,000 ballots. 20,000 of those were rejected because they arrived too late. Urgedry authorities troops to vote early. How ballots are treated very by state according to Research Compiled by count every hero. The District Of Columbia allow military ballots to be counted after election day. Among states that are still counting, military ballots can be received up to 15 days after that date. Some states allow troops to vote by email or. A viewer that did not vote. This is steve. Hello. Caller i dont support either one of them, but i am glad that came to trump it looks like king trump it looks like he is going to lose. I am thankful for that. The problem i have with biden is we would not have this mess if they wouldve gotten rid of this Electoral College, have uniform voting across the country, use some common sense dont go too far to the left like obama did. The militaryuts whatever is going to happen, is going to happen. We dont need all these ships. We dont need all these troops. We have atomic bombs that will blow the whole world up in 20 minutes. We have to work together, trying to bring the country back together and get king rebel out there for good and get these republicans out of there. I appreciate you taking my call. Host michelle in pennsylvania. A supporter of President Trump in bentley though. Caller good morning. I am registered independent, so i have voted for democrats in the past, and with this coronavirus, and we have had to ine had all the mail ballot, there should not be a problem on either side democrats, republicans, independents, whatever you are affiliated with the there should be an audit on the mailin ballots. The ballots that come in through coming through your district and voting, you have to show your identification, your signature, and it is audited. The malein ballots, we have all ballots coming, and it makes people feel like something is being rigged. It is very simple. Mailin ballots should be audited give people reassurance. Host that is michelle in pennsylvania. He is such a de prez provide information to the New York Times in the reporting of what is going on statebystate. When it comes to the commonwealth of philadelphia, the president enjoying a slight lead. Count forows the vote 3. 2 man, a little over million cast for either man. Duane in jamaica, new york. A supporter of joe biden. You are next. Caller good morning, pedro. We would not be in this situation if trump had taken the coronavirus seriously and the ballots. Ilin he is attacking cities like detroit and philadelphia again, white supremacism. Wising up attacking florida, arizona. Lets get this devil out of the white house. Host fox news report may federal judge dismissed an emergency injunction thursday evening brought by the Trump Campaign to stop the counts of votes in philadelphia, that claimed election workers ignored an earlier ruling. The Philadelphia County election intentionally disallowing observers. It was u. S. District judge paul diamond, a george w. Bush appointee, dismissing the request, as stated in light of the agreement, plane of motion is designed denied without prejudice. Philadelphia is one of those places being watched with allowing access to a camera that now, which you can see what is happening in the counting process. Still early in the morning. That will fill up as the day goes on. When it comes to the counting in philadelphia, that is the scene. We will hear from robert. Robert and hazard, kentucky a supporter of President Trump hello. Good morning to you always do a great job, pedro. Host thank you, sir. You are on. Go ahead. Caller i guess i am one of those republicans the earlier caller said republicans were out crying. I am not crying. I want to congratulate mr. Biden on what looks like a victory for him coming up. With that being said, mr. Trump has been there for four years and a lot of people have been corona,and saying, corona having mr. Trump told you the truth that it started in china, and us republicans you say are crying, we hope you stick to that because we do need to get together. Mr. Trump has been a great president for four years. If you find anything illegal, step down. Do it. If not, step down. As youry, as far support of President Trump why do you think he is not going to win at this stage . Still hurting here in Eastern Kentucky due to covid. Mr. Trump stood up for us in the beginning. Nothing has changed. We still love mr. Trump in Eastern Kentucky. Were just taken together, pedro. The coronavirus is more important than arguing about trump and biden. God bless you. Chuck in charleston, West Virginia, a supporter of joe biden. Caller good morning, pedro. I think trump has been saying since the early days of the election that he would say how could i possibly lose this election look at my rallies. There is no doubting the passion , verging on hysteria, of his supporters. They are people that follow him around in caravans from one city to another and they hope to get on camera. Ehind him the rallies, people just scream, yell, pumped their fists in the air, and just work themselves up into a lather over this guy, and those who are voting for joe biden, we just dont have to do that. We dont need to have flotillas townts, go roaring across in a pickup trucks and trump signs. We dont need to have that. Were just looking to get rid of a guy that has created this cult of personality around himself. Reasons that the full you are voting for joe biden . Caller well, i will be honest with you i am not a huge fan of joe biden did i think he is a perfectly decent politician and he will do it perfectly admirable job in the white house bid during the primary, i voted for Pete Buttigieg, but he was not the nominee. I am voting for joe biden, and the reason i think people are saying look at the economy and of a thing. A lot of people are looking at the long picture. Me, Climate Change is a big issue, but a lot of trump the hells are saying with Climate Change, just look at my 401 k . That is all that matters to them. I think people are simply tired of the divisiveness and the boasting and the namecalling and the temper tantrums in the endless series of selfglorification rallies. There simply tired of it. Host that is chuck in West Virginia giving his thoughts. Also thoughts about the stock market. Business section of the Washington Post, a look at the recent stock market gains, and the headline says this comes as investors foresee gridlock in washington. David leach and Taylor Telford running if the outcome of joe achieved, as is well as of republicans retain control of the senate, if that outcome is confirmed, mr. Bidens plan to increase taxes on high income individuals and large sweet sweeping green parties would be elected to survive. Mitch mcconnell would be allowed to block market rattling cabinet appointments. Investors could anticipate a less erratic policymaking process. The elections may have disappointed partisans on both sides of the aisle, but Money Managers cheered the return of gridlock it is probably the the ceoscenario from bethesda, maryland. Dave in indiana. He says he did not vote. Tell us why. Caller how are you doing today . Host fine, thank you. Caller i was intending to vote. I went down there to do a few things i called them up to get an absentee ballot, they said there are going to send me one and then never did get one. Host why did you vote on election day, then . Caller i have a lot of conditions that i dont really want to get around a lot of people right now. Thes, heart problems virus is really spiking quite a bit. Again and in there vote them if i could absentee and how could i trace to make sure you got my vote and they suggest trust us. I thought that was hilarious. Anyhow, as far as i am concerned, with everybody pointing fingers at each other and all of the unrest, to be honest, we ought to tear up the constitution and start all over. Whatever it takes i know that sounds funny, but that is how i feel. Host dave in indiana who says he did not vote and gave his reasons why. He also brought up the coronavirus. An election story that is underneath everything that is going on, but the usa today reporting daily cases still topping around 100,000. A sevenday record falling. It was wednesdays oneday surpass 100,000, translating to an average of 70 americans reporting positive every minute. 22 states set records for new cases for a sevenday period. Five states had a Record Number of deaths in a week. With the week ending wednesday at 629,012 new cases reported. It is worth noting the week ending october 25 set a record 481,511 cases. We are 30 above that record from less than two weeks ago and that is climbing. Raleigh, North Carolina. A supporter of President Trump. Caller hello. How are you . Host i am well, to her. Caller i want to say, attention, patriots, President Trump is going to win this election. I know it looks grim, he is going to lose. We have to remember, they have to certify these votes. Do not give up. The number, out number, our book, ourread a leader is very intelligent. I daresay he is the smartest president i we ever had. Keep your head up high. We have nothing to be ashamed of. Patriots voted for a man we knew could hold this nation down in four years. We know what is going on. We know corruption is going on. Do not give up, patriots. Host why are you looking for the certification process . Aller do not listen host why are you looking at the certification process . To you,i am not looking pedro, because you are part of the problem, part of the fake media. Took time to call us. Caller do not listen, patriots. Host wade in wisconsin. A supporter of joe biden. Leone, wisconsin. I hope im saying that right. I voted for biden not that i loved him that much there were other candidates that i like more, but i think, actually, if President Trump would have done better with the coronavirus if you wouldve told people to wear masks and did something with the economy at the beginning of this pandemic, he could have stemmed the tide, and i think he would have won this election. I think all of these people saying how smart he is if he would have taken the service from the beginning, he probably would have won this election, he said it is just going to disappear and we are rounding the corner and all that , if herappy crap wouldve taken it seriously from the beginning he might have won the election. Host speaking of wisconsin, the former governor of wisconsin, scott walker has a piece, preparing for a wisconsin recount. He writes a candidate might can request a recount if the difference in vote is not more than 1 of the 12 votes cast. Filed no later than the First Business day after the state Election Commission receives this that the last statement from the county board of canvassers. The candidate must pay for the recount unless the candidate is the leading candidate. Scott walker adding that the margin between joe biden and President Trump is less than 1 , so it is a legitimate legal option considering the slim votes. Out of the 21,000 i think i need prepare for a recount now. Scott walker, the former governor of wisconsin. ,e will go to troy, pittsburgh pennsylvania, a supporter of President Trump. Yes, i am calling in this morning to say it is complete fraud in pennsylvania. I have a second ballot for my sister that voted for biden, my mother voted for him, and my brother voted for him. I am one of the one said voted for him. I got a ballot that my sister got she got two ballots in pennsylvania. If i walked it down there today and just marked it biden, he would get the vote. There are ballots coming in. They only have one thing on it biden. There are no other candidates that were on the ballot even written in. It is a complete fraud. Host if that is the case, did you talk your election official about that . Caller no, that is not my job. I am somebody voting. I went to the polls. I cant hear you. Host i did not say anything. Go ahead. Go went toen i the polls in my district, which is majority minority, there was nobody there on election day. It was a trickle. It wasnt an obama turnout. In, ise ballots coming saying it was an obama turnout. My nephew did not vote none of my nephews voted. Who voted . Host that destroyed in pittsburgh. We will hear from another resident of pittsburgh, barber, a supporter of joe biden. Go ahead. Caller yes, sir. Thank you very much. This vote is exactly like trumps taking care of this country it has been garbage nothing but garbage for four years. Number one, the Supreme Court should never have picked him to run for Vice President , he never showed his financial affairs. Boy, are they lousy. Another thing, when it came time for congress to vote for speaker of the house, there was supposed to have been a 13minute vote, and republicans ran it for 20 minutes because they were two. Otes behind host and how does that all relate to the Current Campaign . Caller the campaign is just a bunch of garbage, as trump leading this country has been. Nothing but lies, garbage first of all, the Supreme Court should never have allowed him to run for president. Host you made those points already. Mary and wisconsin. A supporter of President Trump. Caller i have a couple of comments. I hope you are doing well. Thank you for taking my call. Fore the media has been in trump they have not spoken one word about coronavirus since the election that is how dishonest the media is. Scaring the people. I think it all boils down to religion. Treat others how you would want to be treated, and thou shall not lie. I really believe that the dishonesty in philadelphia and milwaukee, wisconsin, is very corrupt, and they dont it is ok for them to live. They feel like it is a menial lie. A menial lie is not a good thing to live by. So, a lot of it is religion, and i know i shouldnt say this, but a lot of democrats feel it is ok to kill a baby that is born alive. Responsible for choosing the president of the United States . That is mary in wisconsin, a supporter of President Trump ling you she mentioned calling. She mentioned philadelphia one of the places the president highlighted his campaign highlighted. You can see there on the screen, it was late yesterday afternoon that the Trump Campaign made another statement on the results in philadelphia, saying they were not allowed to properly observe the votes. Here is a portion of that statement yesterday featuring Corey Lewandowski. [video clip] Corey Lewandowski it is simple a judge in the state issued a ruling that the board of elections has dismissed. They believe they are above the law. Because they would not follow the law and the state of pennsylvania, we have filed for federal relief. That is what we are doing because we will not let the people of pennsylvania go without having an election observer for every single ballot. It is shameful. It is shameful that the boards of elections here in pennsylvania think they do not have to listen to a judges border. What has america come to . This judge has ordered us inside to review the process and the board of elections said no. We go get do relief by the federal government to make sure every legal vote is counted. Thank you very much. Host again, you can see that whole event to their at our website, cspan. Org. Mike in cleveland, ohio, texting is what is so difficult to understand, voting parameters are set by state legislatures. All but one, nevada, of those that have yet to be called, have gop legislatures. They made the rules. Are being blocked out by cardboard to see both been counted, there is your fraud. Wes in texas says he is resigned to a biden win. He said he hopes he has enough left to bring democrats to the mob,r, defanged the aoc closet. s and stay functional for four years. This is rick what a sad night for america host we will go to michigan, hear from kathy in michigan, a of of joe biden. Caller hello, pedro. You are part of the solution. The man hes spoke to these double ballots, he meets to contact the clerk, the concert, or the city, and speak to the clerk about that. Coronavirus that has been my point of view from the beginning, having worked in medicine. If he wouldve just wore a mask from the beginning, he would be way ahead in the polls. He chose the wrong road. His corrupt part of sense of self everything that is fraudulent to him that is not fraudulent and everything that is fraudulent he sees as real and true, and that is so unhealthy. It is going to be a landslide only because biden is going to take probably the rest of the states, definitely nevada, probably georgia, and i am very hopeful that once he and, lattice get in office they do Kamala Harris get into office, they do some real change in because when you look at the state of michigan, all of the counties are red, just about almost all of them. They are saying something to us. Working with schools and children in poverty they are desperate. We need to get jobs in 7. 2 at a decent wage. Cap in michigan. She mentioned the possibility of what she described as a landslide. Usa today offered history when it goes back in time to the president ial elections, going back to, currently now, as far as joe bidens lead over President Trump, when it comes to the votes in 2016 it was Hillary Clinton with 227 versus donald trump at 304. 312 for barack obama versus mitt romney with 206. Barack obama running for his first term, 365 votes versus john mccain with 173. 2004kerry got 251 votes in versus george w. Bush with 286. 2000, withection of al gore getting 266 Electoral College votes with george w. Bush, 271. Manassas, virginia, a supporter of President Trump. This is allen. Caller good morning. Host you are on. Go ahead. Caller ok. I voted for donald trump because about the extreme left of the Democratic Party. Point ithis assume that there may be some fraud in any election, but i dont know, at this point, what the remedy is. I have no idea cannotcourt can do it throw out the entire election. You would have chaos. That theto me president ought to be graceful about it. I am not a youngster. 1960, there was really not much everybody really suspected that there was fraud in illinois in the vote that brought john kennedy into office. Richard nixon made the decision that for the good of the country he was simply not going to challenge it and accepted it. You are going to say what you want about nixon i think he made the right decision there. If there were something they were concerned about with the mailin ballots that shouldve been challenged and resolved before the election and not now because i dont know that there is any good remedy. Host that is allen in manassas, virginia. Stayr we invite you to tuned into the program for questions about fraud, the electoral process and the election process to guests will join us. We will hear from Kimberly Wehle , author of what you need to know about voting and why. Later on in the program, another viewpoint from Hans Von Spakovsky of the Heritage Foundation. Both of them talking about election votes, the process and concerns from either side. Nbc out of washington on their twitter feed reporting that in philadelphia, police there have arrested two men after receiving a tip that they traveled from virginia with ar15s and made threats against the Philadelphia Convention center where mailin ballots are still being counted. That is off the nbc twitter feed this morning. In michigan, a supporter of joe biden. Go ahead. Yes, i was another reluctant supporter of joe biden. Here is the thing that republicans should be pretty happy they should be jumping for joy this morning because, number one, there is a possibility that joe biden, in my opinion, a moderate republican, is going to be president. If you look at the house of representatives, the Democratic National committee dont so much money into useless, unwinnable senate campaigns, that they literally almost lost the house to the republicans. Republicans out there, guess the reason that joe biden is probably going to be president is because of the crossover vote in your own party, the repudiation of donald trump. Wins, thek at House Democrats lost nearly everything they had gained in the midterm election. So, it was republicans that elected joe biden, republicans. That is what i have to say about that. Bill from mobile, alabama, a supporter of President Trump. You are next up. Caller i just saw an old movie about hana. , a german woman who came to america to teach philosophy and she wrote an essay after seeing the eichmann trial, which was very controversial. She said the germans had accepted the rise of the nazis they are just as responsible for the holocaust. If we except stuffing ballots, corrupted judges, news people that covered up everything that was wrong with biden if we except the selection, we are being just as responsible for that as the people who perpetuate these things. Gastonia, North Carolina. A supporter of joe biden. Caller good morning, pedro. Thest hope that bidenharris ticket can take care of this coronavirus going on. Host im confident in their ability to do so . Caller yes. I believe they can do it. They have been setting the right example the whole time, and that is why trump probably lost this election, because he did not have any idea on what to do with this coronavirus. Also, i pray that we do something about the systemic racism in the Police Department and other places. It is really out of hand, and that is what drove many black americans to the polls. Host arnold in North Carolina there. A supporter of joe biden. One of the stories that came out of this years alexion was the gain in republican seats in the house. That ended up with a family meeting, as it is being described, of democrats that was done on the phone, and some thoughts about that process at that meeting. Hill, moderate democrats last out a liberal colleagues using a marathon caucus wide Conference Call to bash progresses for advancing an agenda that centrist said cost the party seats. Abigail spanberger, who squeaked to victory, took liberals to ofk for promoting the policy redirecting funds away from Police Department, an idea that took off following the death of george floyd in may, and that republicans used on the campaign trail to hammer them across with charges of nurturing crying. Spanberger called the Democrats Campaign strategy a failure. This was followed by Speaker Nancy Pelosi saying i do disagree that it was a failure. Veaseythe house. Marc delivered a similar condemnation, saying that the left approach to several issues including moving funds away from the police and banning fracking at a ammunition to gop attack as. If you want to read some of that backandforth amongst members of the Democratic Party in the hill. O so at the in waller, texas, a supporter of President Trump. Susan. Caller question i have is if the gop has won the majority of the house not majority, the more seats in the house, and in the senate they kept their seat, idenin the world could b possibly have won the president ial parts in those states . It is not feasible. The gop would have never done that. When you are voting for your Republican Congress and senate, you would have also voted for the president. Host there was only an expansion in the house side, but not enough to take it over on the senate side. It is still a stand still as to who will control that. It may boil down to thom tillis said. Caller i did not mean control but i met they kept their seats. It just seems straight that you would not have voted for your republican president. Strange that you would not have voted for your republican president. I dont think the republicans put biden in. I am not saying anything that about biden, but i do not think mentally he can lead our country ,gainst the other diplomats and, you know, the other countries to where we are going. O be safe in this country i just dont think mentally he is capable of doing it. You can see it. I am not saying he wont have a good, or an administration that might support him, and he will be just a front man, so to speak, but i do think we need a leader. Host do you think the president is going to win this race or not . Caller i dont think so. I really dont. Fraud andere has been corruption in some of the areas, but it has been doing it for decades. We had fraud and corruption. This isnt the first time around. I think this one is more prominent because of the covid and because of the mailin ballots. I agree with a lot of your callers that it should have been more attention to the mailin ballots, whether they are really signatures, because from what im hearing, and there have been some states that have allowed people who have passed away ballots are coming forward. I heard this on a talk show radio program, that people who had died two years ago all of a sudden had a valid in there and they counted it. Host susan, thank you for the call. I want to move on to jacksonville, alabama, a supporter of joe biden. Aller if trump went in as landslide, there would not have been anything said about these voting doings. The women who just called about trump being such a good man i want to ask these people, what has he done for this country . Here is corruption the policeman have their hands tied. They cannot do nothing. And god bless america. Host one of the other story coming from the result of election day highlighted in wall street journal this morning about the latino vote, as it is known, some of those votes moving toward the president , saying in florida, hispanic voters shifted markedly toward the president compared to 2016 in several in several countries, including miamidade and osceola, the heart of the puerto rican community. The president captured 45 of the latino vote statewide. 25 of 2016 in texas. He made inroads in the bluest part of the state. He won 36 of the hispanic vote statewide. According to exit polls, he captured texas by six percentage points. Bedford, virginia next, joseph, a supporter of President Trump. Good morning. I would like to point out a few things trump gave us the best economy in history, secured our borders, built up our military, etc. The socialists gave us writing, looting, burning, murder, and with their corruption during this election, the truth will come out eventually that they idenstuffing the for b while they are throwing away votes for trump. Anyone can see the truth. Ist when you say it obvious, what do you point to as far as proof . Caller the fact they will not let people observe you have 30be 32 50 feet away with to 50 feet away were you cannot say with binoculars and that is being controlled by democrats. You know what they are doing. I know dead people my exgirlfriend died over a year ago and she got a voting thing in the mail i heard from other people that did not request that got voting things. Whilere stuffing the box destroying his. The party has gotten smaller every year the democrats have all gone to the republican side. It is pretty obvious. Anyone can see what is going on they are destroying trumps ballots while stuffing the box for biden. Host ashland, alabama, a supporter of joe biden we na. L hear from ti good morning. Caller lets be clear. Donald trump he instructed people not to mail in their ballots. To be a black or a brown american in philadelphia we have a lot of black and brown people. Over in georgia, we have a lot of black and brown people there. We are so tired, and to say he did not take covid19 seriously a lot of people have died. I have seen a lot of people that turned out to the polls on tuesday. I went and voted in person. I made sure that my vote would be counted. Trump is always crying he is always the victim. He is a bully. When things dont go his way, this is what he does. So, my prayer is that we can come together as a nation, and if he was a man of honor, he would step up to the plate and say ok, i fought a good fight, but it is over. And that is what he needs to tell his supporters, instead of them trying to run people off the road with their vehicles. Thank you rey much. God bless america. Thank you very much. God bless america. Host teena talking about the act of races. We go to the usa today, they have a section when it comes to the role of concession speeches. Ofing that it is not part the u. S. Law or constitution it is a time honored, voluntary gesture. According to liberal commentator in a 2020 ted talk, he is among those who have speculative what could happen if the president who has declined to comment on a peaceful transfer of power. Usually hidden parts of the election process, such as the inner workings of the Electoral College could be ripped open and used in an unprecedented way. It would mean that a race could be headed for a result decided by the court or obscure parts of the law. In North Carolina. A supporter of President Trump. Caller hello. Thank you for taking my call. , just wanted you to know imagine how our country would have been before all of the impeachment started. This right here that is happening now was supposed to happen when hillary was chimed to be president , and they have worked all of this out together, and this has already been planned since hillary lost and she cannot stand it. They are all crooked. His soul to china the money, the power, and the homes he sold his soul so he can sell china our country. That is all right, because when the good lord comes back you this,t me ask have you resigned yourself to the president winning or losing this race . Caller it is up to the good lord. He will take care of us can will go to heaven. The democrats, they are all crooked they will be killing babies, babies, and babies they will go to hell and burn for the rest of their lives. Caffe there in North Carolina. Ohio. A supporter of joe biden. Bob. Hello. Caller besides the fact that i support biden, the thing that the callersfrankly, that are calling in that are just demonstrating an appalling misunderstanding about how elections operate how ballots are cast, how observers are thator not allowed is probably the thing that concerns me the most. There seems to be this very abject misunderstanding, perhaps how elections actually,nd, in fact, what peoples civic duties are. That is the only comment i wanted to make. A number of your callers i could go through a litany of them that is not important. I have no ax to grind with any of them, but the fact of the matter is they just plainly are beennformed and or have subject to disinformation. That is really all i have to say. Thank you a lot. Host that is bob in ohio. Ryan in hawaii. A supporter of President Trump. Caller yes. I just want to give my shout out to trump and my support to him being president for four years. He has been doing some good things and supporting a lot of the people. As far as living things up for the state, it will be governors and the mayors he up to about, leaving it each state to decide what they want to do for the safety of the people. Host do you think the president will win another term . Caller yes, i believe he will. As far as the votes just give it some time and wait for the boats votes and the ballots that come in. I think he will win. Host alex, lexington park, maryland, a supporter of joe biden. Hello. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. Host you are on. Go ahead. Caller the only thing i wanted to say is i feel very happy, to be honest with you. As many people are going through their emotions, i am excited about three things. The first thing was this was the largest vote count ever. We have the largest participation of american citizens participating in our election, which should make everyone happy. Democracy in a Representative Government Representative Democracy should function. 5 millionmp received more votes this time around that he did the first time around. Him and the Republican Party i apologize. we are out of time for this segment. All of you whond participated in this round. We will engage in another round of the same type of topics in the last half hour of the program. We will take a look and visit to talk abouts election and voting recounts. Kim whaley joins us first. She is the author of what you need to know about voting and why. She is a former u. S. Attorney. Von spakovsky. Both of those conversations coming up on washington journal. American history tv on cspan three. Eventsng the people and that tell the american story, every weekend. Coming up this weekend, saturday at 6 00 p. M. Eastern on the civil war. Karen hunter on her book, bound in wedlock. Slave and free black marriage. And at 8 00 p. M. Eastern, university of utah clinical science Professor James curry talks about the creation of the Electoral College and how it works in the alleged section in the president ial election process. Film, African Americans in world war ii, patriotism and valor. The 1966 film, the army in taiwan. At 8 00 p. M. Eastern on the presidency, james conroy on his book, jeffersons white house. Monticello on the potomac, about the fiscal stain on the white house during the jefferson presidency and how he used it as a social and political tool. Watch American History tv this weekend on cspan3. Washington journal continues. Wehle. Oining us is kim she is a professor of law at the universe the baltimore. Thank you for your time. Guest thank you for having me. Host can we start with the president s claims about voter fraud . How would you analyze that . Guest voter fraud is a crime. It carries a fiveyear prison sentence under federal law, which is why it is really rare. I think there has been some confusion around voter fraud and just maladministration, mistakes that are made. There are hundreds if not thousands of people on the front lines of democracy, this week, making it work for the rest of us. They are regular people and they are not committing fraud. That does not mean that they dont have errors along the way. The president is wrong to complain claim fraud. There is no evidence of that. No evidence that would actually show some affect on the Election Results. That would require a conspiracy of lots of people committing fraud together. It does not happen. Host what is the threshold of proof that has to be presented . Guest it is a criminal question. It is against the law in every state. You have to demonstrate, generally, for voting, that the person is impersonating a legitimate voter. So, again, an individual is not likely to commit that crime for the opportunity of voting in one election, knowing it will not actually change the outcome. For years, not just this particular administration, for years, there have been claims of voter fraud under george bush. There was commission under donald trump, a commission to find and root out voter fraud. Both of those disbanded. In litigation prior to november 3, the republicans predominantly claimed voter fraud. The judges have said show me the evidence because courts are not political outlets. They actually require facts. They have not been able to show those facts. Those claims have not gone anywhere in court where they are tested under the law and requiring evidence. Host there are a series of legal challenges coming from the Trump Campaign. Can you break down those challenges . And what the mindset is presenting those challenges . Guest there is michigan, pennsylvania and georgia. One is pending in nevada. I think. So far, the challenges have been around the process of what they call canvassing votes. Identifying how many people have registered to vote, came into the system and actually matching those with ballots. The argument has been, both in michigan and pennsylvania, that there should have been more people from the republican side or the Trump Campaign to actually watch that process. In michigan, the dispute was dismissed. In pennsylvania, the Appellate Court said sure. You can watch from six feet. There was a claim in georgia that there was combing wing of ballots. That was dismissed. Claims ofeen potential errors. Not something that the courts are going to take seriously unless there is real evidence. ,ven if these cases were to win it will not change the outcome of the election. It is not getting to the heart of counting votes. The claims that the votes should stop being counted, those have not gone anywhere. There is no federal authorities or federal judges or the president for the president to come in and near fear with the states prerogative. This notion of coming in and stopping vote counting, there is no way to do that across the country. The there is an article in wall street journal, taking a look at pennsylvanias courts when it comes to the extension of ballots for mailing votes. I want to see what your reaction is. The pennsylvania Supreme Court said it violated the state constitutions free and equal election clause. It also dismissed hand arguments that the u. S. Constitutions electors and electors clauses set the rules of federal actions that cannot be written by state judges or executive branch officials. Can you talk about that and things that are being claimed from the constitution . Guest that case went to the United States Supreme Court prior to the election and the court split 44. What this comes down to is the elections clauses lodge the power that said over elections in the state. It uses the word legislatures. The argument is we are in the midst of a pandemic. We have seen changes across the country to make it easier for people to vote in a pandemic. We have seen, primarily on the republican side, challenges and hundreds of lawsuits to stall those efforts to make voting access more available. The argument is, and the conservatives on the Supreme Court generally agree, that unless the changes were made by the actual legislature, then they cannot stand. If the changes are made by an elections board that has power that is delegated from the legislature or the changes are made by a federal court under the constitution or even if it is via state court, under the state constitution, that is the argument. The argument is that if it is not the actual legislature passing a new law so that people can vote without actually physically going into the polls, unless the legislature did that, then it is illegal. The Supreme Court basically punted on that because there was not time to resolve it. Listen,holars will say Just Like Congress can delegate Rulemaking Authority to federal agencies, state lawmakers can delegate Elections Administration to other parts of the state government. Joiningis is kim wehle us. If you want to ask her questions about the voting process and things when it comes to legal issues, you can call us and give us your thoughts. If you support joe biden. 202 7488001 if you support President Trump. Did 7488002, perhaps you not support a candidate or vote. You can text us at 202 7488003. You can tweet at us at cspan wj. Majority leader, mitch mcconnell, sent out this tweet about this process. He said here is how it works in our great country. Every legal vote should be counted. Any illegally submitted pallets must not. Observe thet to process and the courts are here to apply the law and resolve the dispute. That is how americans decide the results. On its face, what do you think . Guest i dont dispute anything in that statement. There is some ambiguity, what is a legal vote, for example. There is a lot of discussion around the timing of counting. Right . In some states, if the ballot is postmarked by november 3, the states get to decide how their election is run. Some states have said that is ok, as long as we see a postmark, we can count it later. Other states have to have received the ballot on the actual november 3, election day. That is the states prerogative. We have a patchwork system. Aboute to be careful talking about illegalities. It depends on the state and the law of that state. Issue with istake sort of attacking regular people, regular americans, hardworking people, going on the front lines of democracy with bullets passing their heads, trying to make this work. They are not fraudsters. There are a lot of mechanisms in place to make sure that the ballots are counted. I think that is what we all should do. Everybody should have their ballot counted, so long as they are who they say they are. Much, there is not evidence that people are fraudulently voting. We should, i think, defer to voters and not get nitpicky about these details. The effects are huge to cancel someones vote. Weed we the people, not that republicans and we the democrats, under our constitution. Republicans and we the democrats under the constitution. Host diane, you are on. Caller good morning. You answered my question. That dont say give up. Dont give up. I am a supporter of President Trump. We should never give up because if joe biden gets in there, we will have to fight even harder and without President Trump. Ok. People are calling in like they are giving up. Do not give up. Host what was your question if i may ask . Caller she talked about the legal you know the legal claims about the voter fraud and things like that. Question. D answer my but, i tend not to think that all is lost. Host ok. Thank you, diane. Did you want to respond to any of that . People, think we, the should not give up in that we have a messy democracy. We have a system where millions of americans pick our own government. It is not a monarchy. Back to commonlaw law england, the revolutionaries and american revolutionaries and people who framed the United States constitution, one thing they did not want was a monarch. A monarch who had power that came from the divine. And what the monarch said is that is the way it went. Challengeno way to the monarch because the power came not from the people, but from the god. Ofamerica, we are the bosses our own politicians. But, we are a very diverse country. Again, it is messy. We need to stick with each other. It is we, the people. Our friends and neighbors from different Political Parties are not our in emmys. Politicians are not really our friends. They are out for their own political futures, which is normal. I think it is wonderful to see the turnout that we saw. It demonstrates that people are taking seriously this gift and privilege that is american moxie. It will ebb and flow. We will have people in power that we like and people in power we do not like. Host from massachusetts. Caller hello . Host you are on. Caller my name is mike. I am speaking a lady from new i have myke and subject trade i am pessimistic about how things subject. I am pessimistic about how things are going in this country. The two can we stand party system and two nation appearance . That is my question. Is there anything anybody could say to that . I would gladly hear it. Host ok. Guest that is a great and complicated question. 1787. Stem was designed in there were not this many states and not this many people and there were not two parties. The structure of it is a little bit out of whack. System whereby, often times, the minority of the population can control the government. And some people think that needs to be adjusted differently. I think that is a good question. There are a couple of ways of doing that. One way it would be to amend the constitution. Really hard to do. He requires both the house and the senate at the federal level to agree to that. And, three quarters of the state legislature. Just really hard to do. The other thing that can be done is through legislation at the federal level. For example, congress could pass a statute that would enhance or increase the number of representatives in the house. It is 400 35. That has been around for years and years and years. It is a little outdated but that would bring more representatives into the discussion. There are ways of fixing gerrymandering. That happens at the state level. You have to vote for state elected officials who will be interested in making sure the electors vote according to the popular vote and not a winner take all system. It is a complicated system. At the end of the day, i think what happened on november 3 is the way forward. Which is massive, massive voter participation. We have generally been about 50 and people think their vote does not matter. What we are seeing, it does matter. My fantasy would be 80 to 90 of americans voting. Then we would take back our government. It would not be government by week, the powerful. Government by we, the people with a lot of money that can run ads online and sway elections when you and i cant do that. That takes widespread voter participation. I hope this conversation about voting in the constitution and the constitution continues past january. Host . As a suggestion by two people in the New York Times. Charlotte hill and lee, they suggest this about changing the process, saying no matter who ends up prevailing, it is clear that Congress Needs to establish a federal Elections Agency to ensure that the voting process , and secure. Istent would this be constitutional, in short, absolutely. Congress especially has broad powers to amend or alter regulation. Two questions, what do you think about what they suggest . Is that too much power to give to the federal government . St most across the seas most democracies, this is a good comparison. Most democracies require voting. So, the numbers are really high. They have an independent commission, as the New York Times article suggests. I think that can work. We have independent federal agencies and inspectors general. There is also just think about the voting equipment. Most of that equipment is actually in control of thirdparty vendors. They are not government entities. It is not regulated. This is a precious process. People are worried about fairness and maki. When that happens, we need to have government come in and take charge to make sure things go well. We do not want planes crashing into each other in the sky. We have an administration that manages that. Representatives, it passed two important bills. The first one in 2018 called hr one. That is the first bill. House representative one. It has a bunch of things that would help all americans. Sameday registration. You walk into the polling site and on election day, you can register. Or automatic Voter Registration. For teenagers, when they turn 16, they get there voter their Voter Registration card in the mail. We already have legislation that governs all states. One of my kids got her driving permit. She went to the dmv and she was prompted to register to vote. That is a federal law. Congress can absolutely do more. We need to have a senate that is willing to take up this legislation. Is a broken congress that is not willing to move forward all kinds of legislation that the American People want, both sides want but it is getting stalled in the senate and stopping in its track. That is really unfortunate for american democracy. Arkansas, as tim in supporter of President Trump for our guest, kim wehle. Caller good morning. We want an election that we can believe in. Yearsmocrats spent four trying to negate my previous vote in 2016 for donald trump. Every time a cheating boat gets in and is not thrown out, a legitimate though is canceled. Rule that was not passed by the state legislature should be thrown out. The state Legislature Still has to validate their electors. I believe that in states like pennsylvania where you have rampant corruption, the state legislature can step in and say we believe there is corruption. We are going to assign our electors to who we believe is the winner. And the state legislature can pick donald trump. I dont expect that to happen. It is because republicans dont fight. But if they want to fight for their democracy, they have to assert their dominance over the rules. Rule. Me blanket, federal if it comes out of hr one or the New York Times, dump it because it is corrupt. Host ok. Guest a lot to unpack. The caller used the word cheating. That is fraud. Cheating is a special thing. That is different from election maladministration. We dont have proof of cheating. And i am not saying we will. But that is minuscule. It is a drop in the bucket. It is like getting attacked by a shark twice by it twice in your life. It does not havent enough to worry about it. We could use more money in the states so they can pull off hard things easier. They need money to fund these elections. That is unfortunate. I wanted to make a point about impeachment because the caller suggested that that process somehow undoes a vote. Those are two different things. There is a vote for a president and then the constitution does provide for an impeachment process. That is there to protect all americans. As a youngicipated lawyer in the whitewater investigation that produced the impeachment of a democratic president. With Nora Odonnell , talking about the impeachment process of a republican president. That is part of checks and balances. You and i might have kids in a school. We want to make sure that teachers and the administrators are ethical and solid. The way to do that is not just to be sure we pick the right people but to have procedures in place. So that they are motivated to follow the rules. And if they crossed a boundary, they are kicked out. Or they are penalized. Same with our elected leaders. Even more important with our elected leaders. The structure has to be fair for both sides. It has to stand through many different administrations, republican and democrat trade i think the impeachment process is important. It is not canceling out votes. That is pulling a lever of oversight that exists in the United States constitution. Host from highland park, new jersey, carol, a supporter of joe biden. Caller i wanted to get to your experts view that this election is so different because we are in a pandemic and people in cities think that in order to stay safe, they needed to vote mail in. That is the reason for so many mailin ballots. Ballots,eople in rural you run into significantly less people when you cast your votes. Guest absolutely. So, the mailin ballot and, i want to make something clear about mailin ballot and. Balloting. Not only has it been done for a long time, but people really like it. You can sit with your coffee at the breakfast table and research the candidates. Participation is higher, which benefits both sides. It benefits both republicans and democrats. Who wehe military, really trust, americans on both sides of the ill trust the military. Of the aisle trust the military. They have been voting by mail since the reagan administration. The process shifted because of the pandemic but that does not make it fraud. That makes it new and something we are not used to. We saw that as the caller indicates. The Supreme Court and federal courts, when they look at the right to vote and say, listen, i need a right to vote safely. Because there is no express right to vote in the original constitution, which is surprising, there are no words that say that. Unfortunately, from my perspective, when voters come in and say i need it to be easier to vote, often times, that is not held up with as much robustness as we assume it is. That is why we saw people braving exposure on election day to make sure their vote mattered, which i think is heroic and important. The president mentioned the Supreme Court shortly after election day. Is there a scenario where the Supreme Court gets involved this time around . Guest i dont see it. Many stars have to align for any case in an election to go to the u. S. Supreme court. It happened in 2000. Ashink people perceived that meaning the Supreme Court would come in and take votes away or cancel counts. That was a particular situation in florida where the question to counter how under votes. It was not clear what the boater did. Does that mean they didnt want to vote at all or did they voter did. Does that mean they didnt want to vote at all or did they want to vote for a certain candidate . They voted for certain candidates but not others. The Supreme Court said that violates Legal Protection for you have to have a recount that is persistent. Consistent. It was too like to do the recount. The court basically stopped florida from doing the recount florida to george bush by 537 votes. We are not in a situation where we are talking about counting votes. Where not in a situation the lawsuits would decide a very narrow margin of the swing state. This is it close to going to the u. S. Supreme court which i think is a good thing. Is not close to going to the u. S. Print car, which i think is a good thing. Host u. S. Supreme court, which i think is a good thing. Host our guest, kim wehle joining us for this discussion. From florida, alan, good morning. Caller good morning. I am unaffiliated. The year, i voted for libertarian ticket. I dont think the courts need to get involved in this i have an alternative. Sufficientre is a question about legitimacy about how votes are being counted. Would recommend michigan and wisconsin legislators submit competing slates. Congress can then throw out those and throw the election to the house of representatives. I have more confidence in the house than the unelected bureaucrats counting these, especially in artisan environments. Partisan environments. Guest an important point was brought up. Under federal law, if there is not account by december 8, the state legislatures can meet and decide to cast their electoral ballots a certain way. Some people think that would be unconstitutional. Some scholars do not necessarily believe that legislation, if in limited, would be held up by the courts. It has never been tested. We need to go back from this assumption and doll back a little bit that there is some how widespread fraud or illegitimacy in the process. There is no evidence of that. It is not just elected bureaucrats counting these valves. People like you and me, your neighbor, your friend at the grocery store. People trying very hard, like we all go to work every day. We try hard to do our best. They know how serious it is. Some of them had sleepless nights, putting in extra hours. Some of them are being attacked personally for doing their job on behalf of americans. I dont think we are there. The fact that someone filed a lawsuit, i teach what is called civil procedure in law school. I teach lost students law students how to bring lawsuits. Just because someone files a lawsuit does not mean there is a basis for the lawsuit. Any lawsuit can actually be filed. Where it is tested to determine if it is legitimate is after it is filed. So far, michigan and georgia courts have dismissed the Trump Campaigns lawsuit. Just because a lawsuit was filed is not mean there is any problems with the process in a particular state. One of my basic principles, which i think is not political, is the polarization and fighting is not good for anybody. It is crating a terminus amount of stress for everyone. Sending this to the legislature and the house of representatives and the Supreme Court, i think it is more drama and stress and precentral potential devices in this divisiveness. I have confidence that we will be fine in terms of having a legitimate election. Host this is michael in oregon saying if the voting process does not generate a clear winner, does the secession clause succession because of clause govern . Guest this gets to an unlikely scenario where we dont have count. A when we go into the ballot box on november 3, we are not voting for president. We are voting for a slight of electors slate of electors. In most states, it is all or nothing. Whoever is the minority candidate got fewer votes. Donald trump gets all of the electorate votes. If we do not have a resolution by december 14, that would go to the house of representatives. There is a different way the house would it is statebystate. Every state gets one delegate. The state would vote and they could dispute that process if that happens. The senate could decide. A Vice President , if the presidency is disputed, the vice presidency would be. If the senate agrees on a Vice President , the statute would make that person president , pending. If you cannot decide on a president or Vice President , under the succession act, it would be the speaker of the house of representatives. I dont think it would come to any of that. Whether is something whether something is constitutional or not has to go to the Supreme Court. Answers to thehe constitutionality of anything until the court rules on it, which i think him and straight how much subjectivity and power the court has. The notion that these are black and white questions or some justices know the answers is false. It is vague for all, it is made for amy coney barrett. Vague fore persona sonya sotomayor. I think that is why it should stay in the hands of the people and not go to the judges. Host bill asks if a recount is undertaken, what is the chance the recount is any more accurate than the original count and if there is a dispute in the recount, how is that resolved . Guest that goes statebystate. I want to assure readers viewers, because we hear so much about fraud and a lack of integrity in these elections, every state has processes, by legislatures, for how people vote, how they register and for what id, if any, they need to show on election day. And recount procedures. Nation,istory of our there just is not any evidence. That there is actual fraud. These people are doing their jobs. There are many mechanisms in every state, in place, to make sure that if they are audited, they are safe and secure and accurate. Just like i believe the counting procedures are accurate, there are opportunities to watch. It is happening in michigan and pennsylvania. The recounting has clear procedures in place. If we dont like people falling through the cracks, i dont like people falling through the cracks. Andanswer is more money more consistent procedures across the country so that mistakes are not made. The answer is not to throw Election Results out. I hope people who are watching can go to their elected represent us in the senate and say i think we need legislation so we dont have to go through this anxiety. Whereme systems in place the system is very secure. Congress can do that. We need the republicans in congress to decide that we need it as well. This is kathleen in grand junction, michigan, a supporter of President Trump. Thank you for waiting. Go ahead. Caller good morning. I just wanted to know how they would react if this was the democrats. I think trump has been misrepresented through this whole election. Unfortunately, i think we are all divided on a lot of things right now. And i do believe that, with the mail in votes, it started in june. For some reason, they are still counting. I think everything should have been stopped on november 3. Host thanks. Guest a good point on the polarization. I could not agree with you more. It is corrosive and a cancer on american society. Just like we know, you have a friend or coworker. You have to get along and compromise for you have to see the other side or the relationship will not work. Same thing in politics. As far as the shoe being on the other foot, the shoe was on the other foot in 2016 in terms of theident trump won lector will cause preHillary Clinton got the popular vote. There was not this litigation. There were not speeches from the democrats saying this is fake and full of fraud. There was a peaceful transfer of power. Likewise, when george bush won by 537 votes in florida, it was Vice President gore who gaveled. N the votes for george bush we have seen prior president s say i will listen to the people. I will not ratchet up the drama. I think that is the way to go. In our relationships, we have to do that to make sure that we dont start breaking down. On stopping counting votes on november 3, i want people to go back to 1787, when the constitution was ratified. People travel by horse and buggy and by foot or they never left their state. Neverginalist would question the notion that, in 1787 or 1788, that the votes were not all counted by 11 50 9 p. M. Because it 11 50 9 p. M. Because it takes time. 11 59 p. M. Because it takes time. There is no basis for that. We have to put our common sense bothback on and protect sides of the isle. Protect the integrity of the system. That is how we save democracy itself for our children. Host is there a situation, as far as legal challenges that may go on for such a length of time that delays the process overall of deciding who becomes president of the United States . Guest we will have to see if there is a battleground state, one of the states, pennsylvania, where the margins are so slim that if it were to go to a core, there is a problem that would be problem, there is a that would be legitimate and the court would make a ruling to change the outcome. The courts do not do stuff for the heck of it. If they cannot remedy the injury, they will not take the case. Know until we have the counts in and see where the margins are, whether it is something that is slim enough that it could change the election outcome. That is the case that could go to court. We will have to see. Host from new york, this is matthew, a supporter of joe biden. Caller good morning. A couple of questions. What you are saying to me is that it is the Electoral College that gets in the way of a , voting standardized system as opposed to what we have now, which is a jigsaw puzzle of every state having their own voting rules, is that what youre saying . Guest no. Thank you for that clarification. What i am saying is the Electoral College is one part of the president. We have elections all the way down the ballot and it is not just on president ial years. The framers of the constitution could not agree on a national system. They were worried about a powerful federal government. They left it to the states. They had a part in the constitution that said congress can do sweeping reforms that , apply to all elections across the country. That is why every state has keep a list of registered voters. We hear about pole purchase but that is required by federal law that they keep uptodate on who is registered to vote. Make thingsying is more consistent so that you and i see the same ballot wherever we go in the country and it is not so confusing. Congress could pass a law that would have nothing to do with the Electoral College that is president s. Judge sullivan, a fellow federal judge dealt with a case involving the u. S. Postal service allegedly losing pieces of mail and the deadline was coming up. What he said from the bench, and i agree, is that we know we have to file our taxes by april 15. And every state has two file taxes by april 15. Cant we have stuff that everybody understands for how we vote . That would be better for everybody because it would not be so confusing and it would not be subject to so many misunderstandings and mistakes. It is mistakes, not fraud, not crime, not gaming the system, not cheaters. Peoplerors that inevitably do with not enough support and not enough clear guidelines. Political highlights, what you talked about with the Postal Service politico highlights what you talked about with the Postal Service. The judge said someone may have to pay the price. Kim wehle, what is the price, possibly . Guest the price would be a contempt order. That was a stunning position on the Postal Service. I used to work at the u. S. Department of justice. The way our system works is if courts say something, we want people to comply with what courts say. The way to enforce a Court Decision is what we call contempt. That would mean potentially violating a court order. We will not comply. Wants to hear some testimony. Contempt would be maybe a penalty. In the worstcase scenario, contempt means putting somebody in prison. It is a penalty for violating court orders. If we had a system where people could run around ignoring judges , that would be chaos and that is not good for any american. , a supporter of President Trump from kentucky. Caller in california, you get 55 electoral counts for the president. My question is how many of them votes over there are legal votes and people who are citizens the ones who have crossed the border illegally . Guest it is very difficult for a noncitizen to vote illegally. Why do we know this . Because it is extremely, extremely, extremely rare. Studies have been done on billions of ballots and found only a handful. Its not happening. Its not happening that people are voting illegally, whether they are nationalized naturalized citizens or in the country undocumented, whether they are born in the United States and our citizens, it is not happening. I think that is a good thing. That is a good thing for everyone. You can cross that off our list of worries. We have covid, Climate Change, this kind of chaos and anger that we have in our country with our friends and family members sometimes. We can cross voter cheating off the things of list list of things to keep us up at night. The evidence is not there and that is good news. Host one less collar. Caller ive host one last caller. Caller i heard you talking and we tuned in and i enjoyed it. Guest thank you. Caller i want to ask the people watching, how would you feel if somebody throughout your vote . If you want to think about throwing away votes, think about that. There is another way to the state state legislatures where you can propose it and have it ratified. I want to talk about how you expanded talk about expanding congress and adding members, maybe you could talk about voting online. I want to ask you about voting online. Overseas, choosing my choices on a pdf and clicking and faxing and emailing or sending it in. I think everybody should have the ability to do that. Issue, tothe first amend the constitution, it requires both. It requires the house and state legislatures. That is what makes it so difficult. With respect to online making decisions, members of Congress Making decisions through their computers. There is a lot that happens that is not in the law. It is procedural. Congress could change how they do business. Mitch mcconnell blocking lots of legislation that is not in the constitution is not a law. Internal procedural rules. I think that that could change. It requires members of congress that are willing to change it on behalf of the American People on both sides of the aisle. Your last point about voting online, one reform people have suggested is registration universally online. In some states, you have to fill out forms. When you type in some buddies handwriting, you make mistakes. That is Something Congress could do, automatic registration online. M. I. T. Andpeople at fancy places where people know how computers work, the technology is not there for actual voting online yet. Safe and secure. That is good news that states are not jumping to technology that could cause problems. I hope to see that in my lifetime because i think it should be easy to vote. We large power in the hands of the people, not in the hands of politicians and big donors. Written onehle has this process, what you need to know about voting and why. She is a professor of law at the university of baltimore. Kim wehle, thank you for your time. Guest thank you for having me, pedro. Host unemployment figures coming out from the federal government, 638,000 jobs added in october. That brings the Unemployment Rate for october down to 6. 9 . We will continue our conversation, taking a look at the legal challenges ahead with Hans Von Spakovsky. Hasook tv on cspan2 nonfiction books and authors every weekend. Saturday at 1 00 p. M. Eastern, from the literary festival, roxanne gay, tracy smith and brown on the life and work of audra lord. Universityprinceton professor eddie growled on his book, begin again. Sutton, u. S. Frey court of appeals judge for the sixth circuit talks about antonin scalias writings. On sunday, at 1 00 p. M. Eastern, more from the Schomburg Center literary festival. From jim crow to journalism, which recalls her journalism career. P. M. , when they call you a terrorist. At 9 00 p. M. Eastern, on afterwards, the Washington Post bullets are prizewinning book critic offers his thoughts poet surprise Pulitzer Prize winning book credit critic offers his thoughts. , this weekend, on cspan2. Washington journal continues. Host joining us now, Hans Von Spakovsky of the Heritage Foundation. He serves as the election lower firm manager and a senior legal fellow area thank you for giving us your time this morning. Guest thanks for having me. Host when you hear the arguments of the Trump Campaign, what do you think of the claims they are making and what kind of evidence must they present . Guest you have to produce evidence that fraud has occurred. That will be difficult because it can be difficult to detect. People need to understand that, unfortunately, the u. S. Has a long history of election fraud. That is not me. That is the u. S. Supreme court saying that in 2008. And we need to take steps to make sure it does not happen. Is it massive and widespread . Probably not. But it happens often enough that it shows some of the vulnerabilities in the system. For anyone who thinks it does not happen, talk to the residents of paterson, new jersey, where four locals were criminally charged by the state attorney general with absentee overturnedd and they a municipal election and had redo the election. You might want to talk to the congressional districts of north localsa where several illegal vote for harvesting and tampering with absentee ballots. They had to hold a new election there too. It does happen. Host have you seen any significant evidence of fraud in this campaign, particularly toward the president . Guest right now, it is too early to tell. What concerns me is transparency democratictal to our process. That is why, in every single stay, there are state laws authorizing all of the candidates and all of the Political Parties to have election in the entire process. They can be in the polls, watching and observing to make sure everything is being done correctly. They are supposed to also be in the downtown offices where the counting of ballots is occurring. In citiess me when like detroit and philadelphia, gop observers were locked out and not allowed in to see the processing and handling and counting up absentee ballots. In philadelphia, as you may know, the trumpcare. Tothe Trump Campaign went court and got an order allowing a specials officials in. They still would not allow it. That is a fundamental violation of the principles of transparency that we have. I would like to know why in the world they were engaged in that kind of behavior. Were they trying to hide something . We dont know. There were not any observers in there to tell. Host from the legal arguments you have seen from the chum campaign, whether it be for counting ballots or otherwise, which do you think has the most effort of making some type of significant appearance in court, whether it be for the actual counting or because of state laws like pennsylvania, which allows the processing of ballots after election day . Host the arguments guest the arguments are probably strongest in pennsylvania. The pennsylvania Supreme Court stepped in and changed the laws laid out by the state legislature. They extended the deadline from election day for several days after election day. Even if there was no postmark on the envelope, indicating that, they did not know whether it was voted and mailed by election day. They still had to count the ballots. They also said they could not reject ballots, even if the signature of the absentee ballot did not match the signature of the voter on file. The problem with that is the u. S. Constitution gives authority presenting the rules for federal elections to state legislatures. Not state courts. Inthe state Legislature Pennsylvania wanted to set those kinds of rules for absentee ballots, they are fully empowered to do so. The courts cannot do that. They do not have authority to do that. Campaign,e trump potentially, has a strong argument. They have to go to the u. S. Supreme court with it, that any ballots that were received after the state law deadline of election day are invalid. Ast the Supreme Court took look at this our previous guest talked about it. It did not look at the merits of the actual case if i understand it correctly. Correct me if i am wrong. Guest that is right. The state Legislature Filed an emergency appeal with the u. S. Supreme court, asking for a the stay. Y what what the Supreme Court had done, the rules the state Supreme Court set in place would stay in place for the election. That does not prevent the campaign or the state lets later going back to the Supreme Court and saying you need to take the case on the substantive merits and make a decision. It may be too late. If those ballots that were received after election day were not segregated and have already joined in thend anonymity of the ballot box, even if they got a positive decision from the Supreme Court, it might be too late to do anything about it. Our if you want to ask guest questions, if you support joe biden, it is 202 7488000. If you support trunk, it is 202 7488001. 202 7488002 if you supported another candidate or if you did not vote. You can text questions at 202 7488003. As we were having that conversation, Caitlin Collins reported that in pennsylvania, the lead bys taken just over 5000 votes. Does that strengthen the case of the administration to go to the Supreme Court with concerns that you have highlighted . On if there isds on the number of received after election day. If that number is larger than the margin of victory, that makes a stronger case before the Supreme Court. Host is there a point where the legal challenges and things like that, is there a point in your mind where it affects determining how we resolve this years election . All ofthe one thing that the judges and the courts know in this situation is that they are under a real time crunch to resolve any questions that have been raised about the outcome. As you probably know, the Electoral College this year, is scheduled to meet on december 14. That is the date on which the electors have been pledged to either joe biden or to donald trump. They are certified as the winners, depending on the majority vote in the state. They meet at the state capital and cast their votes for president. By the summer 14th, each state has to have resolved the outcome in their state. If there is any court action, all of the judges know they cannot take weeks or months to make a decision. They have to act within days to decide the merits of whatever case is being tried. Host when it comes to the electors themselves, what binds the electors to go with what the state has determined and can people walk away from that . The issue ofs faithless electors. Can an elector break the pledge they have made . Elector,e a democratic you promise and pledge that you will cast your Electoral College vote for the democratic candidate if the democratic candidate wins the majority of the popular vote in the state. The u. S. Supreme court made a decision about that earlier this year. There were two cases arising out of the last election, out of colorado and washington, in which electors who had pledged, i think in those cases, i think they were pledged to vote for Hillary Clinton, they broke their pledges and did not vote for Hillary Clinton. They voted for other people who were not in the race. Washington state find the electors fined the electors broke their vote. Colorado the states cannot bind them that way. The Supreme Court disagreed. They said the states have Constitutional Authority to lay out how electors are chosen and, if they want to put in a provision that and elector has to honor the promise or pledge they have made, they can do that. It hasss electors is never been a problem in the entire history of the United States. There have been a handful of them. They have never made a difference in the outcome of the election. Our guests Hans Von Spakovsky. Michael is our first collar for him, a support of a supporter of President Trump from hagerstown, maryland. Go ahead. You are on with our guest. Caller thank you for taking my call. It is one of the things that really gets conservatives meet so angry. There are two things. Voted 44 withrt roberts siding with the liberals to kick this down to the lower courts. Overturning a law. This is what we are talking about when we say the Supreme Court should not be overturning laws. 44. When you kick it down, you say you are overturning the law. That is one thing. Number two, i have a problem with we know every four years, we know when the election is. There should be no voting pass november 3, of any kind. I believe in absentee balloting because there is registering and accountability to it. This whole i would like for you to comment on mail out balloting. When states blanket estate with ballots. Thousands or hundreds of thousands of ballots that go out. I am in sales and i know how databases are screwed up. People are getting ballots and guests engage. Ifin the state legislature, they want to extend the deadline for absentee ballots they are fully empowered to do that. They have the authority under the constitution to set what the rules are. The state cohorts do not. Neither do other state officials. We have a similar problem in North Carolina. The state board of elections extended the deadline for the absentee ballots more than a week after the election in direct violation of state laws set by the legislature. That to me is clearly unconstitutional. Absentee supports ballots. You need them for people who are too sick. It will be out of town. They cant make it to the polls. Out and simply mailing absentee ballot to every registered voter is problematic are suchoter rolls port across the country. Election officials dont do a very good job with people who have moved to other states who have died. If you have lots and lots of ballots floating around in neighborhoods where people are no longer there, someone may be tempted to take advantage of that. Fraud isballot something that unfortunately occurs. Four individuals in one county in texas have been arrested and clip criminally charged including a county commissioner for engaging in absentee ballot fraud to ensure that commissioner won her election, which she did by five votes. , theyther county in texas just arrested a may oriole who was requesting an absentee ballot in the names of actual voters and having them sent to a po box that he had set up. Absentee ballot fraud unfortunately is a reality. We maketo make sure that available. Be takenolks cant advantage of an fraudulent ballots cannot be tasked. Our caller in virginia is a supporter of joe biden. Caller thanks for taking my call and thanks to the guest for taking my question. I hope your guest will admit the chaos that will certainly ensue uld the Supreme Court unelected justices interfere in the returns from pennsylvania. Rightfully, they have decided that the state Supreme Court is allowed to rule on the legality of legislation and executive appointments made by duly appointed people in pennsylvania. They made that ruling. The votes have been cast. Now they are being counted. Should they decide now, after the fact, that those votes have been cast illegally and nullifying them. There would be chaos. No one wants that. I cant imagine that the Supreme Court justices, conservative or liberal will allow that to happen. Guest to address this question of the chaos that would ensue. We will let our guest respond. Those are not considerations the court is supposed to take into account. What they are supposed to do is interpret the constitution. The federal statutes the way they are written and were intended by congress and members of the constitution. They are not supposed to take those kinds of political consideration into account. You are simply wrong. If you look at the constitution, it specifically says the power to set the rules for elections is delegated to state legislature. Not other officials within the state government. The state legislature in pennsylvania wants to set up these kind of rules, they could. Authority tolegate the state Supreme Court. Whent up the rules for absentee ballots were received. It would all be legitimate. A law,te legislature set they sent a rule for the absentee ballot that has been in place for a long time. The state Supreme Court stepped in and decided to change the law. They are not the legislature. They dont have the authority to do that. That authority was not delegated to them by the state legislature. If you believe in a country based on the rule of law, you have to follow the rule of law. If it goes back to the courts, does it ultimately is it ultimately the chief justice that decides . How does the process work . Guest you have to have the votes of a certain number of justices to take the case. Whether or not they will take it, i dont know. At this point it might be moot. Campaigns trump legal arguments are correct, it might be moot if all of the ballots have been received after the state law deadline have already been comingled with the other votes. Or if the number of votes you received is smaller. Whole question is moot anyway and it does not really matter. I would think everyone would as state legislatures are the representatives of the people. We are the ones that should be setting the rule for the election process. Judge or five judges in this case on the state supreme thet deciding to override legislation that was passed by which is aegislature bipartisan legislature. Judges simply override the state legislation. It may be a political advantage to some, political advantage should not trumpet the fact that we are based on the rule of law. Cant give anything more antidemocratic them for override with the state legislature has done. Lets hear from francis in tennessee, a supporter of President Trump. Points, please. Weve always had trouble with voting. We do not have the set day for a federal election. Statefrom state to because people are going from one town to another and we voting. We had to have a uniform election day. Theother thing is that society ran new york city for years and years. In tennessee we had a machine of the state. In chicago, does philadelphia have a machine like that as well . Thank you. What i would say about that is i do think we are going with people far early voting and voting through the mail months before election day. If you vote before election day and information comes out about candidates the october surprise we are talking about im not just talking about president ial candidates. Im talking about all the other candidates you vote for. Beforevoted two months election day, it is too late to change the vote. This is problematic during primary season. Primary super tuesday in march before covid shut down the country. It was a dozen states. We are having primaries at the time we have a very competitive, democratic president ial campaign to win the Democratic Party nomination. What happened just before super tuesday . Candidates,ain senator klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg dropped out of the race. All of the individuals in the super tuesday states voted early or voted by absentee ballot weeks before the election wasted their vote. Totalslook at the vote for those candidates, you literally find hundreds of thousands of people who wasted their boats voting for candidates who are no longer in the race. I forget what the second part of the question was. Host she is gone so we will let that stand. The United States post office offered a sweep of the facilities, the post office push back against that. Actionout not only the of the Postal Service in this case. Want to be too hard on the Postal Service. Deliver over 40 of all the mail in the world. They handle billions of pieces of mail every day. Even when they are doing a really good job, they cant time. R everything on that is one of the problems with this push to move everybody to vote by mail. Year, ther of last Inspector General of the Poster Service Postal Service issued a report on the 2018 election. Did the Postal Service meet its delivery goals. Did they deliver the absentee ballots on time . Their goal was 96 . Their goal was 96 of the time delivering absentee ballots on time. They got a little over 95 . Even if they reach their goal, 4 of all of the absentee or mailin ballots around the country that voters sent to officials were potentially not delivered in time to be voted. Even when the Postal Service is operating according to where the standard is set. They listed seven states the average ontime delivery was only 84 . Thats why this push towards voting by mail was just a really bad idea. It is a fairly large percentage of ballots will not be delivered in time to be counted. That will disenfranchise a lot of. The problem is a lot of people were mailin ballots right before election day. Theres no way the Postal Service could possibly deliver those in time. Forstate deadlines evensting absentee ballots several days before election day is not sufficient times. Know the details of judge sullivans order. The same judge has refused to dismiss the Michael Flynn prosecution. I dont know how much expertise he has to be acting as the postmaster general the United States. Host lets go to leesburg virginia. This is karen. Caller this is my position. You cannot have it both ways. You want to say that the Supreme Court should pretty much stay in. Heir lane when i find is antidemocratic with the heritage fire nation where is your position where there are millions of people standing in lines four hours a day on election day to get that done . You talk about the Postal Service should have never allowed early voting and mailin voting. These democratic districts where people are waiting for hours. I dont understand what your message is. There is millions of millions of people in the United States that have a right to vote. You really believe that you want everybody to vote on one day between the hours of 7 00 a. M. And 8 00 p. M. Across this country and there should be no other means of getting the vote passed . That is antidemocratic. That is the thing the Heritage Foundation is not telling you. That is ridiculous. This woman is putting words in my mouth that were not there. I have said i support absentee balentine, i support early voting. Month people voting a before the election, two months before the election. The voters need to realize that if they change their mind in the meantime, they may not be able to change their vote. That is a consideration to take into effect. She is complaining about long lines in some of the large cities. All of which are controlled by democratic parties. Unfortunately, election made foolish decisions. I could give a specific example. When the District Of Columbia held its primary this summer there were long lines. That is because officials there had encouraged everybody to vote by mail. The result of that they decided to not have all of their regular polling places open. 20 , 1 5 ofd about the polling places open that they normally had. They had long lines because thousands of d. C. Residents, who requested absentee ballots did not get them. Were not delivered in time. They showed up at the polling places to vote. Ago, m. I. T. And caltech did a study on waiting times. They found that in american ctions across the country the average time to wait in line was only about 15 minutes. Long lines that people saw in the weeks leading up to the early voting sites. Theres a reason for that. , they only opened up a few places for people to early vote. Comparison in miamidade they hadelections literally hundreds of polling places open on election day. They only have a handful of places to vote early in the weeks leading up to the election. Virginia, myin wife went to vote early. There is a long line to vote. On election day there was no line. So many more polling places were open. These days with so many people voting early, go vote on election day and you are likely to get in and out of your polling place in a short amount of time. Host in washington state, this is george. Caller im trying to figure out recognizes the hard for soying so long four years or three years to impeach trump. Every month, every year for years. They didnt get anywhere because there was nothing to impeach him from. It was proven. A form of insanity, that is how he defined insanity. Host do you have a question about the election . Caller how could they expect the voting public to vote for kind of insanity looming around them . Host thanks. Guest the impeachment trial was held the president was not convicted. I dont think there is a lot more to say about that. That there is a lot of concern being expressed about the pollsters getting the election so wrong. Of postersa lot predicting a much higher vote count for joe biden and other democrats. The had been surprised by almost exact opposite happening. Instead of gaining seats in in the house of representative seats. We still dont know who is going to take control of the senate because there is still outstanding counts. The point i would make to folks isi dont care what party your favorite party. Dont listen to the pollsters. They repeatedly are getting things wrong. You should not allow polling reports to deter you from going out and voting. Every american is eligible to be able to vote. We want them to be able to vote safely and without their ballot being stolen or diluted because of administrative errors made by Election Officials. Host when you say mailin voting would you say mailin voting largely achieve those goals . There wasnt any reason for this big push for absentee or mailin voting. All of the polling places that were open followed all of the safety protocols recommended by the cdc and others. You could safely vote in person, sure. If you are a member of one of fine, vote by absentee ballot. For everybody else, you are better off voting in person. This isnt me speaking. Eight years ago, the new york wrote about absentee ballots. The rejection rate for absentee than fors much higher ballots cast in person. Absentee ballots are rejected for many reasons. Everything from a voter forgetting to sign the ballot and not providing the information required to the ballots not being delivered in time. Mail, your by chances of being disenfranchised and not having your vote count go up. The New York Times article, the chances your vote would not be counted if you vote by mail is double that of voting in person. This is not a partisan issue. The point of this is you are much better voting in person if you are able to do that. Chances are much greater that your vote is going to count. Host this is dave, a supporter of joe biden. Thanks for taking my call. Im calling with a bipartisan comment for you. Maybe you could weigh in on this. Said 1985, we have been having this controversy. Is it because maybe our caughtogy hasnt really up to verify these things and make it really work even the dollars each party may put in has a chance that they may have returned these elections . Is being monitored by cameras . Why do they have to be in the same room, six feet apart . Short. Ke it shirt guest i think that is a great idea. Elections having fair that everybody trust is transparency. I think it would be terrific. Have cameras in the counting locations where the ballots are being gathered in downtown county headquarters so everybody not just a poll watchers could see what is going on. That would help assure people that nothing illegal is going on. Nothing is happening that shouldnt be happening. I think that would be a great idea. Of how that could prevent some kind of fraud. Just within the last three months and election official in philadelphia pled guilty to accepting bribes to stuff fraudulent ballots into a ballot box. What he would do is she worked in a polling place and there were not a lot of people around. He would fill out ballots for voters who had never come in and stuff the ballot box with those fraudulent ballots. He pled guilty to doing this. Within the last month or so a former democratic congressman, who is now a political consultant has been criminally indicted. The the guy who was bribing election official to stuff the ballot box. Been a little bit difficult for this guy who pled guilty to stuffing the ballot box to do that. I think that is a great idea. Host miami florida. A supporter of President Trump is next. Caller thank you for taking my call. The way i see it, the guaranteesn two things. Free and fair elections. Number two, a free and independent crest. Right now we dont have either one of those. On either side will accept the results of this election. We dont have either one of those. But a free and fair election, we must have both of those. It must be taken away. This power must be taken away from the propaganda press. Even fox news went to the dark side. That is incredible. It is just incredible. They were actually suppressing votes by giving false information. False information about the prospects of our election. They called arizona with 14 of the vote, why . To create a narrative and deferred people to not go vote. See that in dictatorships, in china, in russia. In america, to have that. Host we will let our guests respond. Guest i do think it is problematic that americans want to hear results as soon as possible. I do think it is problematic that Major Media Networks and others call elections so early. Im amazed when they call in when so little of the vote has actually been counted in particular states. Ist folks need to understand exit polling. Exit polling is when they ask they only do it in a few selected polling locations. Location are an indicator of how an entire state will vote. If people arent telling them the truth when they come out of the polling place, these days i think it is particularly a problem. I do think it is a problem. Cnn or fox or anybody else to call state so early in the process on the press in general, one of the best things about america is the first amendment. The fact that we have a free press. We are able to speak about controversial issues that everyone disagrees with. One of the biggest problems right now is the censorship. By twitter engaged and facebook. It is extremely dangerous. They need to change those policies. They are not acting in a partisan fashion. The American People could make their own decision. That is on what information they believe is correct so they can make their own decisions on the candidate. I really, really need to address some of the things the gentleman is saying. We are in a pandemic. Voted. Lion people we usually dont do that many by mailin ballots. This is a democracy. Truth that far for a hundred years, at least. We have beenil war fighting for democracy. There is no fraud going on. Donald trump said in georgia, go and vote twice. Could you imagine a present president saying that . Lets get that straight. You never got an answer from this gentleman when you asked him about the judge getting a court order to sweep the postal get all of the mail counted. This gentleman never said if it was right or wrong. I want an answer. Host we will let our guests respond to both of those things. The Postal Service put in all kinds of special provisions in all of its Mail Processing facilities across the country. To have special priority. Andling of election mail particularly absentee ballots. They have been working on that. In the last election they got very close to achieving their goal. 100 , 100 ould be efficiency is not possible in any kind of election. Could vote in person safely. It was done in primaries throughout the country, this summer. I give you a quick example. Wisconsin, they held the primary april 7. Londons of thousands of people voted in person. They put in the safety protocols. Her pharmacy and grocery store. Report onsued a wisconsin in which they said there was no spike in covid19 infections as a result of the election. Host our guest with the Heritage Foundation, he is senior legal fellow. Thank you for your time today. Guest thanks for having me. Host as we were speaking to our int guest, numbers coming from philadelphia. The associated, press showing joe biden with versus donaldvote trump at 49. 39 of the vote. Tallies include about 98 of the state vote. This adding the former Vice President grew overnight as counties continued to chip away at the mailin ballots. That is some of the news with joe bident taking the lead in philadelphia. Also taking a lead in georgia as well. This, as the president from yesterday still promises legal challenges to what is going on in some of these states. We will get your comments in the last halfhour of the program. If you support joe biden, 202 7488000. If you support President Trump, 202 7488001. If you supported and another candidate or didnt vote, 202 7488002. We will take those calls when washington journal continues. The Supreme Court hears oral arguments on the Affordable Care act. The consolidated cases of texas versus california and california versus texas on tuesday at 10 00 a. M. Eastern on cspan. The Health Care Law was challenged by texas after a 2017 tax law eliminated the penalty for not having health care insurance. Listen to the oral arguments live at 10 00 a. M. Eastern on , online, or on the cspan radio app. Washington journal continues. Host joe biden with slight leads in the Early Morning hours. No states called in those states. We have been showing you the current Electoral College map. This is information we have taken in from the Associated Press. The former Vice President with 264 electoral votes versus the president with 214 electoral votes. For the last halfhour we will talk about these new developments and hear your input on the new developments. Theou want to call from line to support joe biden 202 7488000. If you support President Trump. If you supported a thirdparty candidate or didnt vote at all this past cycle, 202 7488002. You could text us at 202 \ you could also post on twitter and Facebook Page as well. Yesterday were joe biden himself came out and talked about the state of the election as he stopped. This is what he had to say. Mr. Biden in america, the vote is sacred. It is how people of this nation expressed their will. Voters. E will of the no one, not anything else, that use of the president of the United States of america. Each ballot must be counted. That is what we are going to see go through now. It sometimes requires a little patience as well. More hundred 2 we continue0 years, to feel very good about where things stand. Theave no doubt that when count is finished, senator harris and i will be declared the winners. I ask everyone to stay calm. We will know very soon. Thank you all for your patience. That was joe biden from yesterday. While we were having our previous conversation cnn reporting that when it comes to the airspace above the residence of joe biden, it has been deemed a Restricted National defense airspace. The president yesterday also going before cameras at the white house talking about his view of the current state of the race. Particularly about mailin ballots. President trump there are now only a few states yet to be decided in the president ial race. The voting apparatus of those states run in all cases by democrats. We were winning it all of the key locations by a lot and that our numbers started miraculously getting whittled away in secret. Allow legally permissible observers. We went to court and a couple of instances and we could get the observers put in. They wanted the observers 60, 70 feet away. We won a big case and we have others happening. Lots of litigation, even beyond our litigation. It is tremendous amount of litigation because of how unfair this process was. I predicted that. Ive been talking about mailin voting for a long time. It has really destroyed our system. It is a corrupt system. It makes people corrupt, even if they arent by nature. They become corrupt. They want to find out how many votes they need and then they seem to be able to find them. They wait and wait and then they find them. You see that on election night. We were ahead in North Carolina by a lot, tremendous number of votes. We are ahead by a lot. Not as many. Hey are finding ballots i know we have some mailin ballots. Its amazing how they are so onesided. I know it is supposed to be to the advantage of the democrats. In all cases they are so onesided. Host that was yesterday, the Trump Campaign putting out a statements about the recent developments. Is noty the election over. The false projection of joe biden as the winner is based on the results of states. Georgia is heading for a recount which we are confident we will find balance improperly harvested and President Trump ultimately prevail. There were many irregularities in pennsylvania including Election Officials preventing legal observers from having access to vote counting locations. Wereevailed in court and denied the transparency we are entitled. Thousands of individuals will improperly cast mail ballots. The president is on course to win errors on outright despite the erroneous calling of the state by fox news and the Associated Press. Final,e election is President Trump be reelected. Biden iner of joe wisconsin, you are a first. Sayer i would just like to , we have to slow down, count all the votes. Trump is always trying to cause chaos. The biggest disaster will be if biden does lose this election and he wins the vote by 5 million. All votes should be created equal. 53 senators, it will be 58s 52 possibly. There is 65 million votes or more this year. Everybody knows the senate controls this country, basically. Lets hear from sue in oregon, a supporter of President Trump. Caller thank you very much. Id like to say that i support trump. I am not a democrat or a republican. I vote off of my values. I really like what trump has done for the country. I dont like sometimes what he says. He works for the people. The middle class. Which i am. I really would like to think thank President Trump, personally. On the democrat side, there is some things i like about the democrats. They went too far. I just could not go there. I watch your show and i thank you very much. ,f i want something straight your show is the one that i watch. Through the whole process that the government has gone through with trump. That man was put through a lot. Susan ins hear from florida, sarasota, a of joe biden. Believethe reason i trump and republicans have fought so hard against mailin ballots is because mailin ballots leave a paper trail of each vote. Voting machines dont. There is moree cybersecurity on Voting Machines on the department of defense in the white house. They dont want a paper trail of each vote. The whole nation should have a paper trail of each vote instead of trusting computers. Host susan in florida, as more information comes in. This is from nbcs twitter feed. When it comes to pennsylvania. Saying it is estimated 120 thousand mailin ballots remained to be counted in pennsylvania. They are expected to favor joe biden. That is according to the lieutenant governor. Nbc reporting thousands of official ballots also remain uncounted in pennsylvania according to nbcs new director of elections. Showing you all throughout the morning when it comes to philadelphia, a count that continues to go on as we provided an image of that process. That is the room that is done there as well. Other things happening too. A story that is appearing on politico. This was on nancy pelosi formally seeking another two years as speaker of the house. The 80yearold is coming off a disappointing election day where her party lost five seats so far in the house. The democrat expects to stay in the speakers chair. According to a letter sent friday morning, she served as the democratic leader since 2002. The vast majority of her colleagues have never known anyone else running their caucus. Anthony in new york is on our line for those who support President Trump. Muchr thank you so very for cspan. I would like to commend and thank the wonderful people behind the scenes who worked a yearsly 365 days including yourself and all of the other moderators who have to deal with people who dont understand the process. I support President Trump because i saw what has gone on. Im a lifelong democrat. With the fbi falsifying documentation with the clintons. What hillery, donna brazile, washington schultz did, i didnt see anybody go to jail for that. A storylike to share with you. My girlfriend has never voted. She is 37 years old. I encouraged her to go vote. I went with her to the polling place. I was trying to help her with the lever machine. The poll worker there yanked open the curtain and said i could not do that. I wasnt telling her how to vote. I was showing her how to use it. This mailin voting thing creates a simulation a situation similar to meeting behind the curtain. If you dont observe the voter casting their ballot, you dont know the influence that may have played behind the scenes with each one of these votes. If that poll worker asked me to , whatthe voting machine trump is doing is exposing the flaws in our voting process. I believe it is no different than any other third world country at this point. With the changing of the , ines host got the point. Thank you, caller. Colorado springs, a supporter of joe biden. Caller im calling in regards voting. Ilitary i used to work at fort dix, new jersey. I heard very little about all of our men serving around the world. I would like to know if they are truly being counted. I want to know if there votes are truly being counted. Joy,not like the idea that i have seen him on television when he was being cross examination. Some of the Voting Machines were being taken apart. Put out for trash. To me, this is idiotic. That is one thing that really bugs me. Vote,t care who gets the a democrat or republican. I want truth. They are not truly being fair. Host we have to go on some more calls. I will point you to the first thing you asked about those military voters. The Washington Post has a story looking at where they stand in this. In 2016 and their families sent more than 630 thousand ballots, about 20,000 of those rejected, mostly because they arrived too late. This year the military urged troops to vote early because of the postal delay. Military mailin ballots are treated differently by state. States and the District Of Columbia allow military ballads to be counted after election day. Among the states that are still counting, they could be received up to 15 days after that date. There is a lot more there if you want to go to the Washington Post. W patrick in portland, hello. Caller thanks for cspan. Host you are on, go ahead. Caller wicking at the electoral map looking at the electoral map, it would appear we are very divided. Division, thisis polarization is very much a product that is promoted by many media outlets. Frankly by the two Political Parties. The more polarized the parties are, the more power they could maintain. It is very critical right now for each half of the country that appears to be supporting the candidate to try to come together. We cannot live as a country unless we learn to coexist. People with traditional values have to understand and accept people with progressive ideas. Conversely, people with progressive ideas need to understand the traditional values that are held so dearly by half of the country. The final point i want to make is we really need to move away from this imperial presidency that has somehow evolved over the last several decades. Localore of the power to and state legislators. And the house of representatives. Really where the founders of this country meant for decisionmaking to take place. That is patrick in portland, oregon. Postgazette, ofing before this batch 37,000 mailin ballots, joe had won the previous 12 hours of mailing votes by margin. 1 he won the most recent batch by a 71 margin. Outh from the pittsburgh postgazette. This isyour calls, chuck in fort myers. A supporter of President Trump in florida. Caller thanks for taking my call. Look at this in a broad spectrum, if we get rid of new york and california and you have all these people in between. I look at the line of a hundred people and i say over 50 of them are for the Democratic Party. I find it amazing the press amountia have enormous to do with this. I believe totally the Democratic Party is a corrupt organization. We need to find a way. My question is, how does President Trump get reelected as president , skip all the other rhetoric, how does he get reelected . Legally or otherwise . I am all in favor of finding every single vote in looking at every single vote. Just like they did in florida. This whole thing defies the common sense of approximately 50 of the United States. We know two plus two equals four. Yet, people two plus two equals six. Host more information coming about North Carolina. Tyler dukes giving us some information there. Friday, 98,000 outstanding mailin ballots. 32,000 doubts excepted by election day. 41,000 provisional. That as of thursday, a total of 171,000 in North Carolina. One of those states being watched. Pennsylvania and georgia making some slight changes. Electoral college map again. Currently, the Electoral College totals for joe biden, 264, President Trump with 214. Even as pennsylvania and georgia have seen leads for joe biden, they have not been called for the former Vice President as of yet. This is jean in illinois. A supporter of joe biden. Caller good morning, i have a couple of things. Really what the interview with your guest, previous guest. I was wondering how the handling of nursing home ballots were handled with various states. With Nursing Homes on lockdown and how that all went. I know that Nursing Homes residents need assistance with their ballots. Is the issues, it could be local issues. It could even be a national issue. It is probably a minimum of eighth grade reading level. I dont think our reading level in this country is a fourth grade level. Host if you have access to the internet there is a recent story in a time magazine, the headlines, i will show it to you. Nursing home resident struggle to vote. The story about a month ago, they address some of those things four weeks ago. Nathan in arizona did not vote, go ahead. Caller i registered to vote last year in july. After some communication i showed up to vote. Arizona did not do provisional ballots. Some amazing how ignorant of these poll workers are. These are the same people who told us that donald trump was going to be impeached. The hunter biden was innocent. I would like to agree with that woman who called who was kind of irate. She said we need a longer period. I agree. I dont think that needs to be an entire season. Maybe five days. Uniformeds to be more control of the count of these elections. Host nathan in arizona, a supporter of President Trump. This is dorothy. Caller im retired. What i liked about President Trump is we got the cost of living cut the cost of living. Two years ago we got a 2. 8 . Last year we got 1. 8 . For 2021 we get 1. 3 . I have been a democrat in the past, i did switch to trump because i think he does a lot of good things. When the cost of living comes up, joe biden had said when he campaigned there would not be a costofliving that he would further that money to other health programs. Question. Each state has a Supreme Court. Nevadas Supreme Court gives up to november 12 to get the ballots counted. Let me see. Host we will let it there. She is talking about the security costofliving increases. One of the reason she has supported President Trump. Thank you for cspan. Being a democrat in missouri, basically nothing i voted for past. ,s a state, we voted for trump gerrymandering, and against term limits. My wife and i for the first time volunteered at the polls. Impressed. Ng but effort everyone put forth i have no thoughts of there being fraud. Even though nothing went my way. No thoughts of there being fraud. That is dug in missouri. He mentioned his vote and then going the other way. Forvote counts, 73,520,000 joe biden. President trump with 69 million. Lets go to ej in virginia. A supporter of President Trump. Caller i supported President Trump, i am a democrat. We dont need to get rid of absentee ballots. We need to do it in a uniform way. When the ballots are sent in, there will be a democrat, independent, and republican sitting right at the table with the poll worker. The first thing that needs to be looked at, did that person request one. That date, they need to be mailed in by a certain time. That needs to be in by the day of the election. The dates, i think should be looked at. I think that should be saved. Who does that come from . The signature should be looked at. If it is correct, the ballots should be counted. I dont care if youre republican, democrat, or independent. I think we still need absentee votes for people in restaurants rest homes and all of that. It all needs to be done uniformly. Host one more call, terry in pennsylvania. Caller good morning. It is really funny. Im from pennsylvania, as you stated. The thing is, people need to slow down. There is no cheating in pennsylvania. This is what our republican led state legislator voted for and had passed in a bipartisan way. This is how the election was going to be. They are the ones that would not counted until Tuesday Morning on the election when the election opened up in pennsylvania. Host what about the court system allowing for balance to be counted days after the election day . Caller our state legislator in a bipartisan way voted for that to be done. Int terry finishing us off this threehour program. Still a fluid situation when it comes to election, 2020. To cspan, cspan. Org, and follow along for the latest on the results of this election. Thanks for watching today. Another addition of washington journal comes to your way tomorrow at 7 00 a. M. We will see you then. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org]