Today, i will talk with two guests. Dr. Peter navarro, the white house director of trade and manufacturing policy. Then we will be joined by lisa blunt rochester of delaware, a the national cochair of the Biden Campaign. Reported johnson, who in 2016 on voters, now paying attention to democrats in texas and latino voters. We will get an update from her at the end of this program, and at least at the end of the interview with dr. Navarro. A few headlines to get you up to speed. The big thing to Pay Attention to is travel, travel reveals a lot about politics. Why are people making decisions to go certain places . The midwest is the battleground. We hear about the deep south, the sunbelt,a nd there is no doubt those are competitive areas, but when you look at today President Trump, the democratic nominee joe biden, they are going to the midwest today. Both of them will be in minnesota and wisconsin. Biden will also be in iowa. President trump will be in michigan. Vice president mike pence will be in arizona, and the democratic Vice President ial nominee will go to texas, again, the sunbelt. You have the nominees in the midwest, the v. P. s in the sunbelt. One headline that stood out to me is in the final stretch, the Biden Campaign seeking the voters that stayed home in 2016. We talked about senator harris reaching out to the bernie voters. They do not need just the moderates or traditional democrats, it needs to have the voters who may sat on their hands in 2016, the sanders voters, to come out. You have seen them for months trying to balance overtures to the center with those from the left. One headline is the president is superstitious. He will have its final rally on election day, election eve, monday night, in grand rapids, michigan. If you are a political junkie, you will remember he went there in 2016. It looks like the white house will be the setting for the where the president is. He will not be in new york city , or the trump hotel in washington. It is a fluid situation, based on his comments this morning, but it looks like the white house, just like it was for the Republican National convention, could be the setting for election night. Now we will bring in dr. Peter navarro. His trade something the president will hit in the final few days . Dr. Navarro it is the key to unlocking the midwest the midwest battleground states. If you go across, for example, michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. You understand if you are a bluecollar worker, that joe biden voted for nafta in 1994, he voted for china and the wto. Memory, institutional from you and your family, of how we lost over 70,000 factories and 5 million jobs to joe bidens nafta and his courtship of china. And at the president has, as you know, been the toughest president ever to stand up to china. And we have the banking of the rankandfile, as we did in 2016, but there are other things going on with that. Go ahead. You said he has been tough on china, but i spoke to larry kudlow yesterday, who did not make any kind of statement about the coming tariffs on china over the pandemic. If he is so tough, why have it further tariffs been announced due to the pandemic . Let you and i will larry have your conversations. But what i know about donald tariffs onat we have over 325 billion worth of chinese goods. We have put sanctions on china for human rights abuses. We took away all favorable treatment for hong kong after the Chinese Communist party brutally crushed dissent. We have run freedom on navigation patrols in the south china sea. We worked closely with japan to solidify alliances there. President a that the has not been tough enough on china, i think that that is, that is a nonstarter and i think that the people of america know that. , this is the time for Closing Arguments and i think you want to know, boots on the ground, what our expectation is. Trade and manufacturing is crucial to winning the midwest. And there are other things going on. You have been a fierce critic of dr. Fauci. Dr. Navarro every time i try to talk about what we are doing and what we are thinking about, youre interrupting me. I do not mean to interrupt, i just want to cover some ground. Dr. Navarro let me cover this ground and and then you can give me another question because for your viewers, this is what is important. We have a six pillar strategy for growing the economy that dates back to 2016, deregulation tax cuts, defense spending increases, Strategic Energy dominance, things like that. Trade, of course, is crucial to winning michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. But if you go to defense spending, obama and biden cut the defense spending by 16 , a tremendous blow to combat readiness. We have increased defense spending. You go across the battlegrounds. I went to a shipyard in wisconsin days ago. Very vibrant. Oshkosh, they build combat vehicles. That is the kind of thing that will draw strong support for the president. You go to michigan, the stryker plan. You go to pennsylvania, we literally saved a combat vehicle plant when they basically tried to put it in the ground. And my office really played an Important Role in reviving the philly shipyard. That is a beautiful thing. So trade, manufacturing and defense. Then he moved energy dominance. The cornerstone is fracking. You look at michigan and pennsylvania, you have got 18,000 fracking wells across the shale formation in michigan, and the shale formation and pennsylvania. , atop of that, frack sand critical element of the process, is mined in the western part of wisconsin with hundreds of thousands of jobs there. I got your point. Energy and trade. Dr. Navarro it all shows that energy, trade, defense spending, deregulation. Peter what about the pandemic . I want to turn to the house democrats, who are investigating you and your own efforts, in terms of the pandemic, and getting ppe. It is under investigation. What is your response to that investigation . Dr. Navarro [laughter] the democrats investigate whatever. I really do not care what they do. I want to finish one thing. And then i will address the pandemic issues. Do you think that you are in legal jeopardy . Dr. Navarro no. The sides that should change it besides at the Strategic Energy dominance, we are looking at Strategic Mining dominance. Wisconsin recently. I was at the duluth complex. It has the largest resources, untapped of copper, nickel and cobalt. Obama and biden shut it down effectively, during their administration. But we are opening that backup. Nickel is could go to electrification of cars. They call them lithium batteries, but the largest ingredient really is nickel. Minnesota has highgrade nickel. We started a horse race that week, we could have a vaccine by early december. We are actually tracking that. We have a good chance of doing that. And there are people, and at this is something, bob, that the doctors do not really understand how the Trump Administration but the doctors are skeptical about whether we can get large quantities of this vaccine to the american people. But what we have done is we have turned the paradigm on its head. Usually you go sequentially. You go phase i, phase ii, phase 3, you have a vaccine, then you start investment in production. And it takes a year or two or more. That is not what we did. We did a simultaneous process, where for all five of the vaccines, we put in place mass production techniques, so that if that vaccine becomes viable, we are ready to deploy. Toi believe, dating back january 31, when the president stopped of flights to china, we have implemented our tax strategy and we filled the National Stockpile and we made it smarter. Bob speaking of that, what theened to all hydroxychloroquine the administration acquired under your watch . Dr. Navarro that is a great question. The first thing that happened was publications like the Washington Post and new york times, and then cnn, created what was unfortunately a hydroxy hysteria. Bob peter, it was the fda. It was the food and Drug Administration dr. Navarro do not interrupt me on this. Let me finish this point. The latest study has shown unequivocally that hydroxychloroquine works in early treatment to save lives. Heres what i can tell you. We got 63 million tablets of it sitting in their strategic National Stockpile. That is enough for 4 million americans treated in early treatment, enough to cut the death rate of people infected by 20,000 to 30,000 american lives. One of the biggest tragedies, Tomika Miller of this isiticalization 0 to me, this politicalization of a drug that could have saved lives. So, if youre asking me about the hydroxychloroquine, it is sitting there not sitting lives because the Mainstream Media created hysteria about it, when the science is unequivocal it works in early treatment to save lives,. , full stop. Bob you can say what you want critical of the Mainstream Media. Dr. Navarro i just did. Bob that is fine, but it was the food and Drug Administration, not a newspaper, that decided to keep it away from patients due to concerns, is that right or wrong . Dr. Navarro i think that what we have with the food and Drug Administration is a response in many ways to that hydroxy hysteria. They maintain that people can still use hydroxychloroquine. What happened was that they created a climate where it made it much more difficult and people became afraid to use it. And theling you, american people, that this is medicine that is safe and can help save lives. We will see. Until thecouple days election and we can keep having this debate. But maybe you and i can sit down and three, or six or nine months, when the science is fully in, and you will see that we could have saved probably hundreds of thousands of americans at the end of the day, if we had simply deployed that in early treatment. Look, people can disagree about it. You can say whatever you want about it. But that is the way i see it. And there is plenty of evidence to support that. Bob do you believe the president will keep stephen on as the commissioner at the fda after the election . Dr. Navarro all i can focus on right now, like a laser beam, is tuesday. Looking at the possible outcome with the bidenharris ticket coming in, that we could have a Great Depression, as the president said. Why do i say that . It goes back to bob what is your evidence for that . Dr. Navarro im going to give it to you. Is points of the policy compass. We believe tax cuts stimulant growth. Joe biden will raise taxes. When you deregulate, it lowers the cost of businesses and it helps us grow. Joe biden will increase regulations, like you did in the Obama Administration. We are now the Largest Petroleum producer in the world. Clearly, under biden and harris, that will go away and create National Security issues, as well as diminish our growth. If you look at the issue with defense spending bob, do not underestimate this. Feds production has helped to stabilize our economy, because the places i have gone to and visited, oshkosh, the shipyards, wherever, they are still producing. And these are great paying jobs. And we know that joe biden and harris will cut defense spending. That will harm states like michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. So, that is no good. Look, last thought trade. Let me finish. You know that biden was responsible for voting for nafta. He voted for china to get into the wto. He has been sympathetic to china, he does not think that they are going to eat our lun ch. Will he rollback tariffs . If he does any of that, forget about manufacturing in this country. They lost 200,000 manufacturing jobs on their watch. Before the china virus hit, we were up to 500,000. 500,000. Elections have consequences. And this is what i did for years before i got here, i was a forecaster. And i believe joe bidens dark winter is ahead. You peter, dark winter used the term Great Depression. Can you name one economist, be on yourself, can you name anyone else using that term Great Depression with any kind of seriousness about the Biden Economic plan . Dr. Navarro let me turn that around. When i was the top Economic Advisor in the campaign for the president , i said we would have growth way above estimates. And i predicted the day after the election, 25,000 on the dow. I was absolutely correct. What was the nobel prize laureate doing . He was writing if donald trump got elected, we would have a Great Depression. I stand by my forecasting. I predicted, i had investment newsletter, and in november of 2007 i told everybody to get out of the market, because it was going to crash. I predicted the housing bubble. Called, i wrote a book the coming china wars, and i predicted that communist china would create a pandemic that could possibly kill millions. I wrote a book in 1984 that predicted widespread electricity shortages in 2000. Guess what, that is exactly what we had. So, ignore my forecasts at your peril based on my track record, but i am telling you, we are in for hard Economic Times ahead of joe biden is elected. He will raise taxes, turn off the oil wells, he will regulate us out of business, and he will go back to the old globalist ways of shaping our supply chains offshore appeared why do i know that offshore. Why do i know that . That is what he did for over 40 years. You know that and i know that. Bob dr. Navarro, i appreciate you being here. Those are your points, and people can take them as they are. I would urge our audience and viewers to check out the Washington Post reporting on President Trumps economic agenda and plan, and a Vice President s economic proposals, lowering the Corporate Tax rate and other things that go beyond the issues that peter mentioned, but to also read fully about President Trumps record as well. You are always welcome to be here. I appreciate you coming by. Dr. Navarro you take care of yourself. We will see what happens on tuesday. We are all friends. One country. Bob thank you for being here. We will not be joined by my colleague, jenna johnson, political reporter for the Washington Post. It is great to have you. So great to see you. Bob you have been reporting on texas and the democrats for years now. Remember your stories on beto orourke in 2018 when he was running for senate. He narrowly lost a ted cruz. Now it is two years later, what has changed for democrats in a place like texas . I have been fascinated by texas for quite a while now. And the big thing that has been happening for years there, is there is a demographic change happening. There are people who are moving to texas. Peopleestimate, 1000 moved to texas from california, new york, florida, illinois, and many of them are democrats and bring those beliefs with them. It is also a young state. You have people who are turning 18 and qualifying devote, vote,ing a lot of to including young latinos. And they can be a force. For a Long Time Coming democrats a thought maybe in 2024, we could win statewide in texas. It has been the year they were looking at, but beto orourke sped that up. As well as donald trump. As well as the demographic changes, you have a number of republicans, or rightleaning independents, who are willing to vote for a democrat right now, who are fed up with this president and willing to do something different. Bob bob what about latino voters in texas and elsewhere . When you look at President Trumps Closing Argument at the debate, he talked about the obamabiden record on immigration, trying to share the burden of immigration policy with Vice President biden. Is Vice President biden breaking through with latino voters in the way he needs to to win the election . Months, latino activists, lawmakers, and organizers have been yelling at the Biden Campaign, saying you need to do more to reach out to latino voters. They were on track to be the second largest voting group after white voters this election. Has reachedmpaign out, but in these final months, final weeks of the campaign, meanwhile you have the Trump Campaign that has heavily focused on latino voters for months, for years. It is not that he things he will win the latino vote, a majority of latinos are still siding with biden and democrats. But states decided by small margins, like florida, pennsylvania, President Trump can pick out a few more latino voters there. That can be the deciding thing. Again, one of the big things with biden in the Latino Community is immigration. Immigration isnt the only issue latinos care about. It isnt necessarily the top issue they care about. But this was a really big problem for the Obama Administration. There were a lot of people deported during that time. While the Obama Administration did create daca and do other things, there are lasting bad feelings about what happened. A lot of questions about if biden has addressed that or not. 2016 and yourk to chronicles of trump voters across the country, you kept tabs on them for nearly four years, over four years, going back to the campaign of 2016. In a collective sense, where is the trump loader that you met voter that you met who was maybe at a diner or rural area, or workingclass town . Where are they today as we head into this final weekend . What have you learned over the past couple of years . Jenna thats a great question. A majority of those Trump Supporters are still with the president. There is something about supporting this president that is bigger than politics, it is cultural, in a way. I talked with a lot of Trump Supporters over the years who said they voted for him on a are excited, but to vote for him in 2020. They really believe hes gotten a lot done. They really believe in him. Sometimes, those conversations can be a little uncomfortable, because as a reporter, you are asking for specific examples of how their lives have gotten better. For Trump Supporters in rural areas, there not necessarily a lot of evidence. Theres been a pandemic coming through, but they love him. They really believe in him. Johnson,a congratulations on another terrific cycle of reporting. Thanks for stopping by to share your insights. By thenow joined national cochair of the Biden Campaign, delaware representative, lisa blunt rochester, great to have you here on Washington Post live. Lisa thank you, excited to be here. Looking forward to the conversation. Far fromew up not delaware, in pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is just across the state line. In that area, delaware and pennsylvania, what do you see as bidens chances of winning that state . Lisa we have a good chance of delaware. I think youve got a good chance winning delaware. Pennsylvania is the state where he was born, as well as i was born. I had an opportunity to actually visit philadelphia twice this past week. The excitement and enthusiasm is there. I went to one of the polling places. One of the early locations. There was a line that stretched three sizes ofk, the city block of enthusiastic voters. They even brought lawn chairs. They took Michelle Obamas advice and said i am wearing my comfortable shoes, packing a chair and a lunch. Andhere to do my civic duty vote for joe biden and Kamala Harris. I think pennsylvania will be a stellar win for us. We are working as hard as we can, to the very last minute. We will be working to make sure every vote is cast and every vote is counted. Bob i wanted to start with pennsylvania. It will be quite surprising if President Biden and Kamala Harris do not win delaware. Man in death of a black a police shooting, how did that affect the president ial campaign in philly, in pennsylvania, in the final few days . Lisa i had an opportunity on behalf of the Vice President to sit at a roundtable conversation with some community members. It had been the morning after the tragic passing of walter wallace. First of all, it points to the fact that we still have so much work to do as it pertains to the issues of policing, the issues of race, accountability, and transparency. Fact thatints to the what joe biden has said from the beginning, we support peaceful protests. People are marching because they want to see action. I love the line Kamala Harris says, bad police are bad for good police. Bad cops are bad for good cops. Of on day one in this administration being able to look at the issues of justice and policing, just like kamala has put forward a bill in the senate, which we passed in the house, it looks at a commission that digs deeply into these issues and addresses them. Unfortunately, we have a president right now that doesnt really want to deal with these issues. And it does is exacerbates further add fuels to the fire and doesnt cause the healing we need. We both need healing and action. And we are not getting it from this administration. Bob if Vice President biden wins the white house, what is the first legislative priority he should do in terms of the healing and action you speak of . Mentioned, he is calling for, on day one, to be able to focus on a commission that brings folks together to talk about how we address this systemically, how we deal with the systemic issues of race, justice. Known joe biden for over senator, ourmy Vice President , and now me as his congressperson. He is a person who doesnt just talk about things. He wants to understand, he wants to constantly have things get better and improve. This being a priority is key. Theveryone else knows, number one priority for this administration is going to be getting this pandemic under control. I think in the conversation you had with mr. Navarro, it points to the challenge that we have that the contrast between these two candidates, one wants to pretend it doesnt exist, the other is saying we have to address it head on. The pandemic is so much connected to our economy, the jobs, our physical and mental health, and all of the trauma that we are all facing. Be dealing on multiple tracks on day one. Lets stick with the pandemic. President trump in the closing days is casting Vice President biden as the nominee who will push her a shutdown in another country, another lockdown of the country. What is your response to the president s pitch, his final appeal . Wouldthe first thing i say is even if you just look at how he is campaigning, the difference, the dichotomy, one is campaigning in a way that is still getting out to the people in safe ways and effective ways, but responsibly. The other is creating superspreader fears events, not encouraging people to wear masks, not following the signs. I think that clearly, we have to follow the science and listen to what the experts tell us. President trump is actually denigrating the scientists. It is important we follow the science. The sooner we can get the pandemic under control, the sooner we can have a bright, vibrant economy. So its really important, they are tied to each other. The health and wellbeing of our citizens is tied to the health and wellbeing of our economy. In a Biden Administration, you will see a focus on getting the pandemic under control. Everything from contact tracing, testing, treatment, and making sure we have a vaccine people can be confident in, to dealing with the defense production act and finding ways we can have states not competing against each other, but having a National Comprehensive strategy. With theat is lacking Trump Administration. Everything is piecemeal. And we need leadership from the top. Bob take me inside the biden. The delaware inner circle, you are part of that political world in a deep way. The final few weeks in this campaign have been rough. President trump has gone after Vice President bidens mental acuity. Hes gone after his son, hunter biden, and the familys business relationships in the past. What has that been like. Do you believe Vice President biden has said enough to defend himself . Aboutthe incredible thing joe biden and this entire campaign, i have been there since day one. I started off with a conversation with him before he decided to formally announce. In that conversation, the things he talked about, first of all, at the advent, it was after charlottesville happened. Core, ithaken to the caused him to say i want to step up and be a part of uniting this country. Then as we went into the pandemic, it really became clear, and he said it on the first debate stage, which i was in the audience. I will never forget, he looked at the camera and said its not about trumps family, its not about my family, its about your family. That has been the anchor of everything we do. How does this keep us safer as a country . Internationally, are we safer . Locally, are we safer . How can we be healthier as a nation . Our economy, physical, and mental health, and lastly, how can we be united . Thats the focus. We dont Pay Attention to the namecalling. We dont Pay Attention to the sleightofhand. And look over here while we do this to you over here. We are laser focused on making sure number one, we win on tuesday, and that it be decisive. Thats my call to everyone. Please make sure that you and your family members are voting. That is number one. We must win. Secondly, it is really important we govern. Thats what has been lacking. Office,t just run for you dont just run to the base of people we were talking about it isr in your interview, you become the president of the u. S. Thats the focus. You can throw darts at us, this is about the people. Bob on that point of governing, do you approve or disapprove of the way Speaker Pelosi has handled the stimulus negotiations . Lisa let me tell you, i get to be on all of our caucus calls, i get to hear the amount of work, energy, effort, and negotiating skills, but also her willingness to say we started here rumor, we started with the heroes act, it has been over 100 days that we put forward a bold plan to deal with the issues hurting the american people. We put that out there. We put out what needed to be done. Even jerome powell, the head of the federal reserve, said the risk of doing too much of doing too little is greater than the risk of not doing enough. Thats number one. We are in an unprecedented time. Everybody has heard that word 100 times. But its true. The response needs to be big and bold. I feel the speaker has done a good job advocating for the principles we know americans need. We see americans on food lines. She has been fighting for food. It doesnt make sense. We see people wondering how they will pay rent. We put that in our legislation. The state and local government, the fact teachers, firefighters, paramedics, it is a need. We need to be bold. Im proud of our caucus and the work we are doing. Unfortunately, the administration has even flipflopped on whether they want it to be a big package, small package, or no package. We need to get something done. I feel our caucus has done an incredible job fighting and advocating for the people. Bob your colleague in congress, senator chris coons, has been a biden supporter like you, for a long time. Theres a lot of talk in washington, based on my own reporting, that senator kunz could end up in the Biden Administration if Vice President biden wins the white house, in a cabinet slot or highranking post. That means he would have to leave the senate. If he left the senate in the coming years or so, would you run for his open seat . Some are you trying to do breaking news story here or something . First of all, chris coons is an incredible legislator and leader. Secondly, my middle name is blunt, so i dont have a problem being blunt with my intentions and what im focused on. I am really focused on joe biden getting elected. Im hopeful i will be reelected by delaware on tuesday. I worked really hard to get on the energy and Commerce Committee in the house and those subcommittees. Subcommittee,alth Consumer Protection and commerce. I believe in a Biden Administration, in my role in the congress, and also as the whip. Im part of the whip operation with jim clyburn. I could be very helpful moving things like dealing with the pandemic and climate change, which are two of the issues we hear about. Im also a person of faith. Faith, i listen to go where you are called. Right now, the thing i hear is your plan. My focus, my goal is to get joe biden elected. Hypothetical or down the road, but right now, my focus is to win, joe to win. Bob it seems to be blunt to steal your phrase based on your answer, you would lean more towards staying in the house then mounting a Senate Campaign. Lisa what im saying is you go where you are called, you go where you are needed. This is where im needed. So i am running for congress. Im hoping i will win. Lets deal with hypotheticals when they become reality. Right now, we need people to vote for joe biden and win the white house. That is my focus, thats all i care about. I appreciate anybody who is praying for me, but otherwise, im focused on making sure joe biden wins. Bob as a reporter to our audience, the representative did not rule anything out. We will leave it there. Lisa i will have to come back. You will have me back. Bob breaking news this program. We get great ratings in delaware. Wilmington loves us. Lisa thats where i am, and we do love you. Thanks. Iwillvote. Com. Make sure you have a plan. Bob we appreciate it. Thats all the time we have today. Thank you for joining us for election daily, our Program Running through the election and after the election for a few days to have these fascinating discussions with people like representative bluntrochester, dr. Navarro, a conversation that was lively. We love lively. And jenna johnson, my colleague offering her insights on the campaign. Really great conversations this friday afternoon. Monday, i will interview Democratic House member, Pramila Jayapal from washington state. Senator todd young, running the Senate Campaign for the republicans in the senate of indiana. Thats monday. The eve of the election. President trump heads to grand rapids and Vice President biden goes around the south and midwest. So much to cover in the final few days. Appreciate you stopping by this afternoon. We will see you next week. Campaign 2020 coverage continues at 7 00 eastern time, when we bring you the debate between South Carolina republican senator Lindsey Graham and his democratic opponent, jamie harrison. At 8 35 p. M. Eastern, we take for a easton houston stop by Kamala Harris. You can follow our live coverage online at cspan. Org. With four days left until election day, on november 3, when Voters Decide who will control congress and occupy the white house next year, stay with cspan. Watch campaign 2020 coverage every day on cspan must stream or on demand at cspan. Org, or listen on the cspan radio app. Your place for an unfiltered view of politics