Coming up in one hour, pittsburgh postgazette julian rao on pennsylvania as a battleground state. More on pennsylvania with susquehanna universitys Nicholas Clark. Host good morning. Well begin this morning with testimony on capitol hill yesterday we from yesterday from the ceos of google, facebook, and twitter. They were asked to talk about their social media influence. We want to know from you this morning, do you think these companies have too much power . Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Ndependents, 202 7488002 you can also text us with your first name, city and state, at 202 7488003, or post your ,omments on twitter, cspanwj or facebook. Com cspan. This headline about yesterdays ted cruz slams twitter political restrictions. Google, facebook, also face liability. Heres what the senator all what the senator had to say yesterday, questioning jack dorsey, alleging that twitter is biased against conservatives. [video clip] ondid twitter block stories copies of the president s tax returns . It it was reporting about the material. It was reporting about the material. Thats not true, they posted what they claimed was source material. Federal statute makes it a felony to distribute someones tax returns against their knowledge. That interior was based on something distributed in violation of federal law, yet twitter gleefully allowed people to circulate that. When the article was critical of joe biden, twitter engaged in rampant censorship and silencing. Policy andnized the changed it within 24 hours. You havent changed it. They can login and delete the original tweet. You forced a political reporter to take on his post about the New York Post. Within those 24 hours, yes, but the policy has changed. The new yorkor post, the New York Times, or any other media outlet. You and put elected you in charge of what the media are allowed to report and what the American People are allowed to hear and why do you persist in behaving as a democratic super pac silencing views to the contrary of your political beliefs . Lets give mr. Dorsey a few seconds to answer that and we will have to conclude this segment. That. Are not doing this is why i opened this hearing with calls for more transparency. We realize we need to earn more trust and that more accountability is needed. I hear the concerns and acknowledge them. We want to fix it with more transparency. The Washington Examiner quotes him saying on their decision to block the new york he was unclear how they were obtained from twitter initially block the story that centered on the laptops as it was unclear they were how they were obtained. They have hacked materials policies that limit the spread of materials allegedly hacked. The media outlet is still blocked on the platform. Platform. Heres democratic senator ed markey pushing back on the republican claim of bias from social Media Companies. Republicans can and should join us in addressing the real problems posed by big tachy, but instead my republican colleagues are determined to feed a false narrative about anticonservative bias and to intimidate big tech so that it will stand idly by and allow interference in our election again. Heres the truth, violence and hate speech online are real problems. For an attempts to influence our informationh this are real problems. Anticonservative bias is not a problem. The big tech is this model that puts profits ahead of people is a real problem. Anticonservative bias is not a problem. The issue is not that the companies today are taking too many posts down. The issue is that they are leaving too many dangerous posts up. Fact, they are amplifying harmful content so that it spreads like wildfire and torches our democracy. Host you can see from those clips that on both sides of the aisle, democrats and republicans believe these social Media Companies have too much power, but they have different takes on the power. We turned to all of you this morning to see what you think. Do social Media Companies have too much power . Congress,rs of including the chair, want to rein in these companies. Listen to what he had to say in his opening statement. [video clip] , the hallmark of a thriving digital economy. The success has largely been attributed to a light touch Regulatory Framework and to section 230 of the act,nications decency often referred to as the 26 words that created the internet. There is little dispute that section 230 played a large role in creating these platforms. The protection from liability, to remove and moderate content that they or their users consider to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing or otherwise. Jectionable this liability shield has been pivotal in protecting Online Platforms from endless and potentially ruinous lawsuits. It has also given these platforms the ability to control, stifle, and even censor manner, eachatever to their respective standards. The time has come for the free pass to end. Host if you missed any of the hearing, you can go to our website, cspan. Org. Once you hit the video player you are going to see little gold stars at the bottom. That will allow you to go to the key moments, the moments of interest of the hearing yesterday. Because it was four hours long, with lawmakers asking questions. Many of you have an opinion about this. Do social Media Companies have too much power . You just heard the chair reference the 1994 Communications Decency act, section 230 of it reads this way user shall ber treated as the speaker of another in the Washington Post, they wrote this this morning momentet me show another from yesterdays hearing. This is democratic senator maria cantwell, from washington state, questioning the facebook ceo, Mark Zuckerberg, on steps the platform is taking to combat disinformation by foreign entities as the election nears. [video clip] can you please talk about what you are doing to make sure state run entities dont interfere in u. S. Elections . Thank you, senator. Since 2016 we have been building makephisticated systems to sure that we can stop foreign interference in elections. Not just in the u. S. , but all around the world. A lot of this involves building up ai systems to identify when clusters of accounts are not behaving as a normal person would. Behaving as fake accounts in some coordinated way. A lot of this is about forming partnerships. The Tech Companies here today work closely together to share signals about whats happening on the different platforms to be able to combat these threats, as well as working closely with intelligence communities around the world. The result of that is that over the last few years, we have taken down more than 100 networks that were potentially attempting to spread misinformation or interfere. A lot of them were coming from russia or iran, a growing number from china as well. At this point im proud that our company, as well as the others in the industry, have built systems that are very effective at this. We cant stop countries like russia from trying to interfere in an election. Only the u. S. Government can really push back with the appropriate leverage to do that. But we have built up systems to make sure that we can identify much faster when they are attempting to do that. I think that that should give the American People a good amount of confidence leading into this election. Ceo marks zuckerberg, testifying there. Journal,street writing about favoritism. Republicans missed opportunities to make a case for why robust political exchanges are in the interest of all americans, regardless of their party. Three ask the ceos of the ideological leanings of their employees , in new will go to john jersey. John, good morning to you. We will go to john in just a little bit. Sorry, we are having some issues with phones and we are trying to straighten that out and hopefully will in just a minute or two. While we do that, let me show you just another moment from the hearing, yesterday. Senator deb fischer check questioning jack dorsey over that platforms moderation policy. [video clip] to me this hearing is not a sham. I am here to gain some clarity on the policies that you use. I am here to look at your proposals for more transparency. Has becomer platform an integral part of our democratic process for both candidates and more importantly, for our citizens as well. Your platforms also have a normas power to manipulate user content and to direct and shape narratives. Openingey, i heard your statement. I have read it. You also tweeted that the concept of good faith is what is being challenged by many here today. Some of you dont trust. Thats the problem i want to focus on solving. Mr. Dorsey, why should we trust you with so much power . In other words, why shouldnt we regulate you more . Madee suggestions being around more transparency, thats how we want to build that trust. We do agree that we should be publishing more of our practice of content moderation. We have made decisions to moderate content. We have made decisions to moderate content to make sure that we are enabling as many voices on our platform as possible and we acknowledge and completely agree with the concerns that it feels like a black box. And anything we can do to bring transparency to it, including publishing our policies, practices, answering simple questions about how content is moderated, and then doing what we can around the growing trend of algorithms moderating more of this content. As i said, this one is a tough one to actually bring transparency to. Its a far out field of research. I think a better opportunity is giving people more choice around the algorithms they use, including turning off the algorithms completely, which is what we are attempting to do. From yesterdays hearing. We have had phone issues this morning, but we think we have straightened them out. We had to switch to different phone numbers. If you tried to dial in on the numbers i gave you at the top, stop doing that, here are the new numbers athens, georgia, what do you think about these social Media Companies . Too much power . All, goodrst of morning. How much do i love cspan . A quick housecleaning note, please bring steve scully back. He made an innocent mistake. And he made the mistake of trying to correct it by trying to cover it up. Please, hes a great guy, we love him, please bring him back. Vote this morning here, early voting in athens, georgia and for the first time in my life im voting a strict republican ticket. Do the Tech Companies have too much power question mark yes, they need to be broken up. What happened to the antimonopoly mentality of the United States . We were and time and knowledge antimonopoly. , greta. U so much love cspan, talk to you later. Host ok. Richard, nashville, what do you richard, good morning to you in nashville, tennessee. What do you think . Caller can you hear me . Host we can hear you, go ahead. Caller good morning. This is al, from plymouth. What is this story we are talking about . The biden family taking millions of dollars from a foreign country for three years country. For three years we heard from the leftwing how important it was that we dont have a president that takes money from a foreign country and the media is silent this morning. Cspan is silent. You are doing this dance this morning talking about the hearing. Please acknowledge, what is the story they are talking about. You havent even set yet. Host i did at the top. I set it was a new york host report on Hunter Bidens emails. Caller lets get into the details. An associate of theirs was on a Major Network two nights ago for one hour. So, why arent you Digging Deeper into this, like we did for three years with donald trump . Cronkite of walter today . There are none. All of the media is an arm of the democrat and liberal agenda. Like donald trump says, its fake news. Host ok, all right. Dave, norwood, ohio. Good morning. Dave . Caller i was overly aggressive with you last time we talked and i want to start out with an apology. Its ok to be aggressive but i was overly so. To disagree, shouldnt be disagreeable. On this issue i think it has more to do with the user than the platform. You should attempt to get at least three sources. Republican people tend to take whatever they see as the gospel off the internet. They see it as all true. They see it, they believe it. Thats the Biggest Issue for me, greta. The source isnt the issue. The user is the issue. Do you think that these social Media Companies have a responsibility to fact check whats getting sent around . Caller yes, i do. The more information we get, the better. The idea that these platforms just put things up, i dont agree with that concept. I think they have a responsibility to give more information and then the person using the information is more informed. Host the previous caller was talking about tony bob linskys interview that he did on the fox show with Tucker Carlsen, the wall street journal wrote about that today. He said that in 2017 he twice met with former Vice President joe biden as part of an effort of wining and dining him to take on the ceo role, pointing to documents host we will go to bob next in tyler, texas. Bob . Good morning. Caller john . Host john, san antonio, texas, im sorry. Your next. Caller you are next. Caller its obvious the social Media Companies have become publishers, yet they want the protections of being considered platforms and it just shouldnt work that way. You suggest they do . You know . Caller i mean, i dont know if it is as simple as breaking them up. I dont think that would accomplish the end goal of typing free speech. You know, i have a right to say whatever i want on social media and it doesnt matter if people think it is hateful or not. Its protected speech. We all have the right to say whatever we want. Findsecause someone else it hateful, doesnt mean the next person will. Nobody should be deciding what is hateful speech, i guess you should say. This, this iso from the wall street journal, their coverage of the hearing yesterday. Roger wicker introduced legislation to curb section , the part of the 1996 decency act they turned to to say they are not liable host would you, well, john is gone caller no, im here. Host ok, what you think . Caller i think its a step in the right direction. President morty on twitter followers will know who i am. I just had my third account suspended completely. I get it, i know its because i post qanon content on twitter, but they shouldnt have the right to take me down completely for that. Louis, republican, good morning. Sorry, bob, tyler. Im getting used to the new phones. Bob, you are next. Bob, good morning. Hello . Hello . Host go ahead, caller. In tyler. Is is bob thank you for putting up with this. Toould like to bring this the people [indiscernible] the first is the laws of natures god. The second is [indiscernible] of therd is the consent government. That is the founding of america. These are laws that cannot be impinged. Anytime anybody tries to to life,on the right liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness, they have overstepped their bounds and a need to be removed from their , from their company. We have the right to talk. Speech is part of their property. Somebody telling us what to do or what to say, just cannot do that unless we are infringing on someone elses rights. It. Need to stop all right, bob. Here are text from our viewers. Jonesville, virginia, republican. What do you think . Hello . Jonesville, virginia . Lowee . Ave me, one last time here. Are you there . Caller hello . Host all right, jb, and hot springs high, whom i talking to . , whom i talking to . Caller this is jb. This story that they are so upset about was in the new york host post. No one has a byline on that story. That means reporters didnt even want to put their name on it. Me of the reminded story out of the National Enquirer, the way the picture on the front page, in big lack rent , those stories in the National Enquirer in big black print, those stories and National Enquirer. Do you agree with twitters decision, them having the power to block the New York Post from putting the story up . When cruz got on google yesterday, it reminded me of a radio show years ago when bear bryant, the guy was upset with a call late in the game, and he said when you have your team, you can run it anyway you want to. As long as im running it, i will call the plays. Thats what i would tell ted cruz. You dont like what im doing, you start your own and you wanto whatever to. They are too polite to these guys. I just think this whole thing is something to try to scare people away from voting for biden. Im not a great joe biden fan i voted for him, but i would not vote for trump. That is the last guy i would vote for. He is the biggest liar in town. I perceive you taking my call. Host charles, alexandria, virginia, independent. Charles . Good morning to you, charles. All right, charles, alexandria virginia, independent. Right. Lets go to terry in milton, washington, democratic caller. Caller good morning. Host hi, terry. Caller i couldnt agree more with the last guy. If the republicans and the conservatives dont like twitter, if they dont like facebook, two things. Start your own. It is a free country, free market. Start your own twitter, or here is a suggestion dont use them. Thats all youve got to do. Nobodys forcing you to use twitter. Nobody forces you to use facebook. If you dont like the process in this country, you start your own. They cant tell us. But a private business, if they dont want to run something, they dont have to. This is like msnbc telling fox what to put on their channel. Its laughable. You terry, though, how do respond to previous hearings where you have heard lawmakers facebookmpanies like of buying up their competitors like instagram, and then therefore having a monopoly, that they are so big, they have so much money, that if another competitor comes along, they gobble them up. Caller then dont use them. If they quit using them, sending them money, that company will fail come and then you can start your own conservative one. That is called free market. What donald trump has done to the conservatives they dont even see it. Ted cruz, a conservative . He wants to tell a private company how to run itself . Its laughable. Host terry in milton, virginia. Maine,nd hollis center, independent. Caller i have never tweeted, never texted anybody, never been on facebook in my life. I dont even know how to do it. My wife does it. I dont want to do it, i could care less. The thing that tells that scares me about the story about hunter biden, abc, cbs, nbc has not run one story on it. Wered trumps tax returns taken on anonymous people. How about the anonymous guy who showed up the other day on cnn . I have no idea this is the most unfair it is like playing your grandkid in a game he has never played before and you beat him, and hes looking at you going, you cant jump backwards and sideways on checkers. What is left in america if you cannot trust your own media . Free press . What is so free about this . They wont even ask joe biden comes out, they wont ask him a question, he runs away. If they can get this guy over the finish line, whoever is in charge of his campaign, should win the oscar, the me, and hang possible. Were dealing with something i have never seen before. It scares me. There is no voice. The average joe on the street has no voice. These people calling and saying it is like the inquirer, you have got to be kidding though. Kidding me. If this were Donald Trumps kids, this would be on the network news 24 7 before the election. It scares me. Thank you very much. Host jimmy mentions anonymous, headline in usa today. Trump critic steps forward. He offered the book and the opinion piece on the 25th amendment. , thiste in a statement election is a twopart referendum, first on the character of a man and second on the character of our nation, said taylor, former chief of staff of homeland security. Thats why i am urging fellow to take back the country, even if it means supporting President Trumps opponent. Tweets twong to miles taylor coming forward, he said he did not know taylor, and just another scam from the New York Times, saying that they should fire, shame, and punish everybody. Taylor was described as a lowlevel former staffer and coward who chose anonymity over action. Going around twitter, this from sean, who works for a Radio Station in florida, conservative Radio Station, the randy rhoads show. Sent around this video from cnn, one miles taylor was asked by Anderson Cooper about anonymous. Trying to think of who that might be, ive got my own thoughts of who that might be. I certainly dont want to i wear a mask for two things come anderson. Halloween and pandemics, so no. Host you can watch more if you go to cnn. Com. Frank in lindenhurst, new york. We are talking about these ceos of google, facebook, twitter. They were not there physically, but they were getting questioned by members on capitol hill about their influence. Do you think they have too much power, frank . Caller good morning, greta. Can you hear me ok . Host we can. Caller you know who actually brought up the issue on monopolizing, the Companies Buying them out and stuff like that and i think they do have too much power in that sense. I thought they were antitrust laws, but they are not being enforced. The other part of the conversation we are having here, what you had ted cruz talking andt, was more about biden, to me that is a different issue. That. D like to comment on is, i think everyone knows a journalist, who wrote a subject that who wrote on the subject. He discussed how years ago when theyst had three networks, had everybody separate interest. Journalists in general were w more objective. When fox news came on the scene, they had a strategy. Were saying how they really vilified clinton and it attracted a lot of viewers, but, you know, a lot of people did not like clinton. Up aey really jumped tremendous viewership, and over time the other stations were losing they resisted this strategy first. But then they started to adopt it because it is all about the money, which is really what everything is about. Cnn. En msnbc and so now absolutely the answer is many of these media, whether it newscial or regular cable, it is all biased. I do believe that it is all biased. But i really am tired of hearing republican saying that the media is mostly liberal. Yeah, there may be more stations that are liberal, but there is fox news, which when you count the numbers, they have more viewers. Know, with the fake news and all this other bias once again, i agree with you regarding the monopoly. Big three have too much power. Host just to be clear, i was not giving my opinion, i was citing what Congress Said in previous hearings when they had them testifying before them. Caller i understand that, but you would agree that is a different issue, whether they are biased or not. Antitrust laws are not being enforced and they are buying up other countries companies, things like that, do they have too much power . The answer is yes. But the issue whether they are biased as a different issue. Host i understand, frank toough to ann let me go ann in tennessee. Track i do think they conservatives. For attackingned the architect of obamacare on facebook, and they banned me for weeks. But you look at comcast, at t, in their they decide infinite wisdom what we low iq americans, deplorable scum are allowed to see and hear. We cannot make that decision. That ought to even scare the conservativesid should get their own facebook. That to me proves that they are liberals, and who are these people deciding what is hate speech . We dont know who they are. They could be from communist china. In fact, the other night, i think it was newt gingrich, who said they had 13 Chinese Congress chinese communists sitting in seattle deciding who could be on facebook. They are deciding what you can hear and what you cannot hear. Even liberals ought to be afraid of that. Echoing Senate Republicans on the committee yesterday, saying that they believe there is biased by these companies. You had democrats on the committee talking about election interference inciting violence with postings. Here is ed markey, asking facebook ceo to reiterate his promises he has previously made about protecting the u. S. Elections. Mr. Zuckerberg, if President Trump shares russian or iranian disinformation, lying about the outcome of the election, can you commit that you will make sure your algorithms do not amplify that content, and then you will immediately take that content down . Senator, we have a policy in place that prevents any candidate or campaign from prematurely declaring victory or trying to delegitimize the result of the election. We will do in that case is weibel append some factual information to any posts is we will append some factual information to any posts that try to do that. We will attend a piece of information saying that the official Election Results are not in yet, so that way anyone who sees that post will see that context. If one of the candidates tries to prematurely declare victory or site an incorrect result, we have a precaution we have built in to put the top of the facebook app for everyone who signs in in the u. S. Information about the accurate u. S. Election voting results. I know this is a very important issue to make sure that people can get Accurate Information about the results of the election. Appearance, virtual Mark Zuckerberg, ceo of facebook. If you missed his answers along with the ceo of google and twitter, you can go to our website, cspan. Org. When you hit the play button on our video player, you will see gold stars that line up the bottom. That is to denote moments of interest in the hearing, and that way you can quickly go through if you dont have enough time, four hours yesterday, is how long they were testifying. If you dont have four hours, you can quickly go through and see the different moments from yesterdays hearings. Elaine, a republican. Do they have too much power . Caller absolutely. I agree with the gentleman from maine and from tennessee. Littlean you speak up a bit more or directly into your phone . Caller sure, hold on. Ok. I agree that they have too much power. I agree with the man from maine and from tennessee. Not that you are a democrat or that you are a republican, but the American People should be very concerned about what is going on. Because the next election, it could be you. Beingld be your party censored. You should be very concerned. I think we should all do something about this. Stand together because, like i said, the next election, it could be you. And i think they should break it down, the monopoly, to put some were competition out there. Host linda, saint stephen, South Carolina. Linda, democratic caller, what do you think . Caller i agree with the Tech Companies. I really feel like if they are running a business, they have the right to run it the way that they think is best for the American People to keep them safe. That is what it is really all about. There is too much right now about peoples people tweeting things and putting things on facebook that are not true. And maybe could be a harm to somebody like steve scully, like him getting fired having something to do with the president s tweets or something. I would like to know more about that. And one problem i have with cspan right now they are talking about this hunter biden thing and whatever and this and that. That is with the big deal is about. But ive heard about donald trump having a secret bank account in china, his children have businesses in china, but cspan has never covered that. I watch it every day. You guys have never covered his Family Business in china. Yet it is a big deal about hunter biden. And these are hearsay rumors. These things are not factual. That is why facebook and those guys, they are not going to print something that is not true or they will have to have facts to back it up. I am with the Tech Companies. You cannot allow people to treat and say anything like the president is doing because it could actually be harm to someone. Host we issued a statement on steve scully and have addressed it on the program. You can find our statement a few go to our website, cspan. Org. Lets hear from dan, lincoln, nebraska, independent. Hello. Host hi, dan. Caller can you hear me . Host yes, we are listening. Caller ok. Doont know, the question, social Media Company have too much power . I think they do have too much power, but i dont think i think we are not seeing a force the forest for the trees or however that saying goes. Callers, some of the have referred to these tech free market and all that stuff, but i dont know. I dont know the answer to this question, but are they using Public Infrastructure to run their business . If they are, and i would guess that they are doing it to a large extent, i would refer to them as public services. Movementhere may be a to transition them from a business to a public service. Im not really sure. I dont keep up with that. I signed up for facebook, but i got cold feet and i never used it. What i give them my emailed andges my email address i started getting all these messages from them saying soandso wants to connect with you and this and that. I never used it, but i do think should use them very carefully. And cautiously. I agree with one fellow who said ted cruz, it is kind of ironic that he is telling companies how to run their business when i would guess he reels about free market in other platforms. But anyway, thank you for this program. You guys do such a Great Service to america. Thank you very much. Host thanks for calling in and for watching this morning. On the campaign trail, President Trump held a Campaign Rally in tampa this afternoon. 1 30coverage begins at p. M. Eastern on cspan. You can also watch online or listen with the free cspan radio app. And he will also be in the same city as democratic president ial candidate joe biden. He will be in tampa at 6 30 p. M. Eastern time. You can watch that here on cspan. Online, cspan. Org, or the cspan radio app. From yesterdays campaign, we want to show you what the two candidates had to say about the protest and violence in philadelphia. We will start with joe biden. What i say is that there is no shes whatsoever for the loonies in the violence, none whatsoever. To be able to protest is totally legitimate, totally reasonable. Come as thelooting victimss father said, do not do this. Youre not helping. Youre hurting, not helping. There are certain things we are going to have to do as we move theg, and i think i know local folks are thinking about it as well. That is how we deal with how you diminish the prospect of shootings like we saw. That is how we deal with these. There is no excuse for the loonies. Voted early in delaware. Then President Trump was asked about the protest at a News Conference in las vegas. Here is what he had to say. Pres. Trump it is a terrible thing what i am witnessing. It is terrible, and frankly the mayor, whoever it is, who is allowing people to riot and loot and not stop them is also just a horrible thing. Did. The event, everybody it was on television and it was a terrible event. I guess that is being looked at very strongly. We have the federal government looking at it also. But the rioting in philadelphia has to stop. They have to stop it. It is a local thing. We dont send unless we are asked. If they ask for help, we will be there very quickly. They should bring in the National Guard if the police need help, and you should do something. You cannot let that go on. A democrat run state, a democrat run city, philadelphia. We dont have that. The republicans dont have it. You will have more and more of that, and you can have it strongly. You cannot let that happen. Host President Trump yesterday in las vegas. We are five days away from Election Day Campaign 20. Stick with our coverage on election day. We will be letting voters know who controls congress and occupies the white house. Stay with cspan tuesday all night for Election Results in the race for president , and for the house and senate races around the country. You can also stream or watch on demand or listen on cspan radio app. Live Election Night coverage place forcspan, your an unfiltered view of politics. Jonathan, we are talking about befores testifying converse yesterday. Jonathan in minneapolis, a democrat, do they have too much power . I think we lost them. We will go to dave in westminster, maryland, independent. Do you think the social Media Companies have too much power . Caller can you hear me . Host we can. Caller thanks very much for this forum. This unfortunately has manifested into this recent set of events that i agree is terrifying, the fact that media is ignoring this story and big tech appears to be censoring it because it is something they are not agreeing with. All terrifying. I would just point out that this ,as been a concerning thing social media, for some time. Ive been reading books on this for quite some time. Off, the age of capitalism. If nobody has seen the documentary on netflix the social dilemma, it is a must see. The concern i have had as an independent is more as a united thing. This has all become political because of the recent events, but the degree to which these companies have control of our data and control of us, particularly outlined in the documentary i mentioned, is truly alarming just as a citizen. The degree to which we are beholden to these very few of them when you think about it,ery few rich white men essentially, which are controlling a huge amount of wealth and power. Unprecedented. It is to me the larger problem. It isk unfortunately being character is now in terms of politics, like everything. But if it gets a larger problem but i think it is a larger problem, and senator hawley and the others that are looking at breaking up these copies i remember when at t was broken up, i find it fascinating that we have this much power in the hands of so few. So, yeah. I think it can be a uniting thing. Unfortunately, it has become political like everything else. In general, the citizenry is not being served well. Host i think there is bipartisan agreement that something needs to be done on capitol hill. What that something is is probably where the two sides fall apart. Huger yeah, and it is a social problem. As the documentary points out. We are all operating this way within these mediums. An artificial intelligence, computer power, that has grown actually enfolds since the 1960s. A lot of these things are algorithms, artificial wont say run amok, but this notion that there are people sitting around in a boardroom deciding what you can post and what you cannot is really a fallacy. These are legions and legions of computers that are kind of worrying away. I agree that it is a difficult thing to figure out, and i appreciate that it is bipartisan. I have thew that answer, but i do think ,ompetition, breaking things up even the emergence of things like dot plot go, etc. , so that we have some options like duck duck go come etc. , so that we have some options. Host dan in marlboro, new york. No congress is just paranoid, cannot fix the deep divisions caused by social media now. And then you have steve in brooklyn saying nobody is calling out the fox spreadhannitylimbaugh of covid. Covering the ramp not covering the rapid spread of covid. Their lack of coverage is tantamount to censorship in their own way. Harry in mt. Lebanon, pennsylvania. He said is it great hearing. Democrats did not know whether to spit or go blind. Face the civil suits. Kathy, a republican from indiana. You for us being able to do this this morning. I appreciate it. As far as social media goes, i dont know what the solution is either, but i do know that the republicans being ill served by it. Caller had an astute observation as far as the tech giants having the power, and they are developing the ai that is going to run our country eventually, and those algorithms that he spoke of are also going to run the country. If you put trash into a computer, you get trash out. It will be skewed all to one direction. That foxs getting picked on so much this morning, and im sorry you got picked on because i know cspan is not biased. I hate what happened because of the woke culture to one of your employees, but it is not your foxs fault. Is not social media is going to be owning part of the news now. It is not only that the news is biased and we cannot get Accurate Information. I know that fox tries to be both sides is expressed. Nd it really scares me this whole story that the Washington Post published has been debunked, when the director of National Intelligence and their director of the fbi have both come on and said it is not russian this information . Im so tired about hearing about russian disinformation, and im so tired of people complaining about twitter, that trump uses. He had to use it. He had no choice. He was fighting a behemoth. He did it successfully, and people seem to hate him for that. He is not a perfect man by a longshot, but he is perfectly a man. And he is uniting people. If you look at those rallies he is having, there are latinos, lack people, there are people that did not vote in a long time , like 50 of the people at some of the rallies, voting 40 of the people come 30 are democrats. People are opening their eyes to the bias that is in social media and the news. And i believe that he may be able to overcome this and unite the country. It is hard to believe because he has fought an uphill battle since he got in office. Half of this stuff that people wont even listen to about biden, they use Anonymous Sources and go to town with it all day long, every day, 24 hours a day. David, from pennsylvania, democratic caller. This is a very difficult thing. W, i will tell you this. When all is said and done, when twitter allows the ayatollah on twitter, holocaust denier, and does not allow the president or the fourth biggest newspaper in stories,rint reliable i think that is all we have to say. I will tell you that i will be voting for the president. I am no longer going to be a democrat. The Democrat Party has left me, i did not leave it, and i dont allow thee can ever ayatollah of iran to deny the holocaust, yet host it sounds like you watch to be hearing yesterday with senator cory gardner. Caller i am. It is difficult to listen to the likes of mazie hirono and others, saying that they like what has been done for them politically, being an advocate for censorship. This is america. Thatwe cannot even agree the holocaust occurred, my god, there is the holocaust monument in washington. We let the state sponsorship of terrorism, the worst in the world and by the way, this president has been nominated for three Nobel Peace Prize is three Nobel Peace Prize is. He did something to earn them. And jerusalem is the capital of israel. Host david in mountaintop pennsylvania. When we come back, we will turn our attention to the next battleground state. Our series continues here. We will talk about the keystone state of pennsylvania. From the julian routh pittsburgh postgazette, and dick clark from susquehanna university. From youck clark susquehanna university. Thats what gives us the confidence to sit here and describe the first 10 seconds of the universe like we were there. 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Lets start with the Supreme Court decision. What did they decide about ballots in pennsylvania . Shut to Supreme Court three day extension to mailin ballots. They failed once and they failed again last night, but Justice Alito left the door open to potentially reexamine this case when the time comes. The times said before the election, most likely the latter, now just in preparation, the pennsylvania secretary of state said they are going to invite counties to segregate all in the three days counting. It is kind of precautionary, but at the same time it is probably smart. I talked to legal experts yesterday who said that those ballots should be segregated because there could be some legal challenges after this as well. The Supreme Court decision last night was remarkable in the way that Justice Alito wrote that he does believe there is a high likelihood that this deadline extension was unconstitutional, but they did not have time to rule before the election. Just as Amy Coney Barrett did not participate in this decision. What were republicans trying to do i bringing this before this court ringing this before the Supreme Court . Guest they were bringing the Trump Campaign wishlist to several courts around pennsylvania. This effort had failed originally, so they had an they have asked the Supreme Court to take this issue up, to strike down the state Supreme Courts upper ruling, which extended the deadline originally. This was before Amy Coney Barrett was confirmed, so after that split, the republicans went back to the Supreme Court again and said can you expedite this matter, which is a different way of looking at it, putting this back page. That is what the republicans last night that the Supreme Court split 44 again, that they could not do it quickly because the election is only six days away. Host what about the protesting we are seeing in philadelphia over Walton Williams jr. Walter williams jr. s shooting . What is the impact on voting . Not exactly sure what the impact on the elector is at this point. Law and order is the sick the polle Biggest Issue in one. During the primary election, there were also protests. Or i were not as ardent guess inflammatory, but these are more intense, and i think there is fear among county election officials, that this could disrupt the election of the election. I think it is still to be determined. I would like to do more reporting on that, but we are on the western side of the state. I think it is something to Pay Attention to. State of earlyhe voting in pennsylvania, and how will it work on Election Night . Tost early voting had come an end this past tuesday because that was the deadline in pennsylvania to apply for a mailin ballot. So pennsylvania was basically letting you go with your county election boxes, and to all in one stop, apply, fill out your ballot, and return it again. That came to an ed to an end. So far mailin ballots being knocked off, there have been more than 1. 8 million returned, and 3 million had applied. I think on Election Night it comes down to how many counties are going to precanvas the mailin ballots starting that day, and which ones are going to wait until the following morning. The secretary of state said it could be a matter of days before we get reputable results here or a majority an overwhelming majority of results. There are a lot of questions to answer. Host if you look at what happened in 2016, President Trump eking out a victory in pennsylvania, 48. 2 Hillary Clintons 47. 5. The president beat the secretary of state by 44,290 votes. What is it looking like now . Guest i am no expert on polling, because we could see that Hillary Clinton lead in the 9 before the4 to election. It is tightening in a way that donald trump i dont think is going to win by 44,000 votes. I think it is going to be a little closer. Biden has the edge in polling, but i would give most of this to the democratic strategist at the time. Hillaryere clinton did not visit in the areas outside pennsylvania. There have been more resources put on the ground and some of those rural areas, some of the telik counties, Allegheny County and philadelphia. So i think that if that strategy pays off, we could see an extremely close election, and i think joe biden is probably leading right now. But again, democrats are very concerned about the secret pres. Trump . That has even showed up in polling here. Host in what way . Guest there was a polling done that was very reppo. They pulled democrats come at it was very reputable. , and 50 ed democrats said that they assumed people that they knew were voting for trump and they were not telling them. They were read on election day people that they know in their own lives who may have been hesitant to talk about their support of trump, they were going to go vote for him. Where do each of these candidates have the strong cold in the state of pennsylvania . Caller this is a state of there are two geographically very dark blue areas in philadelphia on the east, pittsburgh and the west. Beenhe counties that have traditionally blue are more purple because of the trump ability to connect with those people in 2016. The rest of the state is pretty red. There are pockets here and there, like eerie county, where traditionally blue working both think it candidates can sort of make their appeals to each one of voters, trump and philadelphia will not win there by any means. But in terms of the rural, red, and color county purple, joe biden has been able to go in there and try to say hey, joe biden said he would remember you, the forgotten man and woman. If you got and i am the one who will remember you. That is sort of the geographical makeup, and extremely interesting state for 20 electoral 2020 electoral votes. Host here are the lines for viewers. If you are supporting the trumppence ticket,. F you are 2027488002 if your supporting the bidenharris ticket, 2027488001. Undecided,. Night, where will there be early signs that one candidate may be petty toward a victory in pennsylvania . Pennsylvania, you know, counties are not allowed to tally all the malein ballots until 8 00 p. M. That day. They are not allowed to start opening envelopes, canvassing, getting them ready until 7 00 a. M. On election day. There was a fight in the legislature over this the last couple of weeks. Talks stalled. Republicans wanted some more things in terms of residency requirements to change, but the democratic governor was not willing. There was a backandforth blame game on that one. Because of that, you are not going to see an incredible amount of mailin ballots being tallied right away. There could be a decent amount by maybe 1 00 or 2 00 in the morning and some of these county ladies counties that have better staffing. So when the polls close and you start seeing the in person voting come in, as elsewhere, democrats are speaking donald trump to have a lead in that, depending on whether or not he calls victory. That is a whole different story. Again, secretary of state here says we might not have the overwhelming majority or it is all set because of the 7 00 a. M. Wait time until you have to hand in a ballot. It could take a couple of days, public not weeks, to get results. What was their turn out like in the philadelphia area in 2016 . Guest the turnout in philadelphia was great for the most part. It was more the suburbs in Allegheny County around pittsburgh and the suburbs around philadelphia, where you saw the turnout increases at the time. I think a lot of democrats who, you know, grew up in those places in democratic families, those were the ones that switched republican. A turnout is no worry for democrats in philadelphia pittsburgh. Probably not going to be this time, and for mailin voting, youre seeing it is probably going to be a lot greater this time. We will go to john, in tysons corner, virginia, a republican. You are up first. Caller i will just say that if you want lower taxes, if you want less regulation, if you , if youe Public Safety support the Second Amendment, you would vote for President Trump. If you support free criminals and rioting and looting and savagery, within all the big cities, then youre going to vote for biden and Kamala Harris. It is as simple as that. With regard to pennsylvania, philadelphia is just they have a very strong reputation for corruption. Unfortunately, i go there a lot for business trips. I see it, i hear it. There is massive, massive Democrat Party corruption they place in philadelphia. Nobody is allowed to address it. Nobody is allowed to challenge it or address it or eliminate it. Routh, have you reported on this . Guest President Trump has said that. He has made the case and is willing to talk about that. The problem is, on the debate stage, i think the first time he had said the quote bad things happen in philadelphia this is something that bad things happen in philadelphia. S is something that people when trump said bad things happen in philadelphia, he was referring to poll watchers, which were denied entry into s. Tellite officer trump is saying that bad things happen and poll watchers are not allowed in philadelphia for him. Poll watchers are allowed in philadelphia. They have to be certified by the boards of elections. They are still allowed. I think some of these warnings are misguided, but i have not done too much reporting in philadelphia, the city proper, to know about Democratic Politics there. Michigan, terry is watching. What do you think . Caller one of the things that disturbs me is we watch throughout the summer what was happening in these big cities. I dont understand why philadelphia and pittsburgh did not bring in National Guards and Law Enforcement in the first place. It is really interesting to find out who is responsible for telling Police Officers to stand down and not to draw their weapons . I mean, to me it is ridiculous. People are dying, businesses are being destroyed. And the city officials are sitting back on their hands allowing it to happen because they are because their complacency. Host you talked about a pole. You mentioned this briefly at the top, that past voters, i assume it asked likely voters about who they trust more on Law Enforcement. What pole was this . Guest i think this might have been the mullen bird pole, or l. E monmouth pol it surveyed voters on their most important issues, and law order came up and i think was the secondhighest behind health care, covid19, and then the , fory asked participants registered voters to indicate who they trusted more on law order. Joe biden won that by three or four points. I will push back on one thing the caller said, which is in pittsburgh, the democratic mayor has actually been criticized, had been criticized during the protests earlier this year for deploying police too much, for the Police Response in general, who thought that it was too intense. I think that goes against the fact that people are saying that the onetic mayor who has been criticized for it. Host howard in philadelphia. Good morning, greta. Supporting the president , go ahead. I live in northeast put althea, and people need to recognize that there are major there is major support for President Trump in north philadelphia, in other pockets of the city. It is not getting reported, it is not getting recognized by any of the media. We are out there having rallies in northeast philadelphia for President Trump. Should know that pennsylvania is a numbers game. 2016ry won pennsylvania in by 565,000 votes. 105 thousand in philadelphia. She started with a 460,000 vote lead. Yes, there is corruption in philadelphia, but im telling you right now, President Trump will have major, major support in the city. It is not just the downtown areas, it is not just certain sections. Philadelphia is the largest voting bloc in the city, and everyone will come out and they will support President Trump. One more thing to say, somebody needs to Start Talking about Hunter Bidens laptop. It is ridiculous that this is not getting attention. Nbc, and there is tons of corruption. Cspan needs to report on it. Host julian routh, his comments about north philadelphia and support for the president there. Calleri dont think the is wrong at all, and i think were seeing the same thing in western pennsylvania, which is the media at large when they come into town here will say that pennsylvania is going to sweep joe biden into the white house in this p wave, this wave against donald trump. But i think donald trump support has been extremely visible in the suburbs, especially in Allegheny County and up or from here in heery county. I have done a lot of reporting on it. At the same time, you have to preface that by saying that Donald Trumps support has been visible. Joe biden supporters and joe citedhimself have covid19 mitigation and precaution is the reason they are not showing support and rallying and having big crowds. While i agree that donald trump has that support and it might be more than anybody thinks but joe biden maybe hasnt gotten the chance to prove how much support hes had. Ohio,columbiana, supporting the president. Hi, justin. And becausecalling you have a guest on who is talking about joe biden making states more purple, union labor towns and whatnot. I am from columbiana, ohio, and that is right on the western border of pennsylvania. I am a working class man. That i believe that biden has gotten pushed more into this into the cities, and trump support is closing in on him a little bit. A very good story that we get around here on i like to call it the inauthenticity of joe biden. Is the delphi retirees that we hear a lot about in the youngstown area. It is a very good example on how mr. Biden really could not care less until he needs something constituents or the voters or whatnot. It kind of really breaks my heart, because i love everything the times we see america come together. Usually in the face of tragedy, and it is terrible to see it like that, but everything is so divisive. I see a bigger divide in the Democrat Party than i do with anything else. Its almost like they are running under a banner of unity against everything they hate. They are running on a platform of hatred, and it is disguised as unity. It is sad. Lets hear from helen in las vegas next, supporting the president. Hi. Er i just want to mention that the things are being said by trump is not true. Because i followed him four yearsplus. Thought that ever aboutld continually biden and sleepy joe that he mentions. He was going to be out of the white house. They were going to do things because of the things that he did wrong. They talked about it. Thats all they ever did. Of taxes, because of everything else. He lives in a house, his getaway house, they call it. Never pays taxes on it. We did. States that he has two or loose his own money to run, campaign . So two callers who talk like they dont like the other guy. Oft is the likability factor these two candidates in pennsylvania . Isst the likability factor you know, it is a little starker than in 2016 because they called joe biden pennsylvanias third senator. He is very wellliked around here, and donald trump is not very wellliked. Put too much stock into that. I mentioned before that this is a bastion of political areration, and people here Left Congress members, senators who are sort of above the fray politically pat toomey is the perfect example. Pat toomey has been a guy who went to the senate and not called out President Trump but also not exactly supported him. Is a perfect example of the type of legislator that pennsylvania likes, and they sent to Congress Somebody who is likable. That is going to be a huge determinative factor of who wins the election. Int lets hear from gary agnes. Who is there, is it jeff . Caller yes, maam. Host yes. Supporting biden. Caller i know they used to produce a lot of gas up there. Safe,e says fracking is so fracking is say. I dont know how we are going to do away with fracking and heard the whole industry. Host lets talk about fracking, julian routh. How is that playing out in pennsylvania . Guest that is such a great question. Republicans and donald trump, that is a huge selling point right now. If been holding Campaign Calls in pennsylvania frequently to tear apart joe bidens position, energy position, and promote American Energy and independence because pennsylvania is the secondlargest natural Gas Producing state in the country. Republicanstime, and donald trump have exaggerated some points of the impact of a fracking band. Donald Trumps Campaign recently said there are 609,000 fracking jobs in pennsylvania. He said that in fracking there are 30,000 to 50,000 jobs, so nowhere near as many in the fracking industry. About treatment all day, and the number could grow. Biden hase time, joe had to clarify his position so many times on this and was just not clear with voters for months on this issue. Trump has been playing that video compilation of biden talking on this at his recent rally. It is an important issue in pennsylvania. Not sure how important it is to the regular voter who is not in that industry, but at the same time it is something that trump is not focused on much in the last couple of days of the campaign. Host we are talking about the battleground state of pennsylvania. Rate inpointed september this was in july, actually come on your screen. You can see what it was in september, 8. 1 . Linda in michigan. Supporting the president. Hi, linda. Caller good morning. I have been watching whats going on in the news. I studied it like i have never studied it before. ,hats going on in philadelphia applies to fracking. Everybody knows joe biden and tv, saidn tape come on they were against fracking, they were going to stop fracking. , she sayshe past year york he is waiting for biden to get in so she can stop fracking by 2015. They will be a spiderweb effective fracking get stopped. It will be a trickledown effect. People in philadelphia need to Pay Attention not to what they hear about what they see. The facts. Like when they show him saying i am not for fracking. Host we heard that. Julian . Guest linda is right. Tape not been on exactly embracing the idea of fracking. I have to say his campaign has clarified his position is to ban new oil and gas permits on federal land. Most of the fracking done in pennsylvania is on private land. A big majority of it. It left a lot of voters confused about the topic. Donald has seized on it. There is no question joe biden wants to transition. Banning fracking his first days in office is not true. Said,den campaign has again, he does not embrace fracking. I think it is fair to say. We will see how that plays with voters. Host where would that play with voters . What parts of pennsylvania should people be watching . Guest western pennsylvania in particular. Northeastern pennsylvania as well. On the border of pennsylvania and ohio there is a lot of places. The industry is well embraced. Host what about erie county . Itst its important because was a blue county for a long time, up until donald trump came there and spoke about revitalizing prosperity and bringing back the steel industry. Lost a n notoriously biggest steel mills and they have been feeling the effects for decades. Trump said i am bringing all this stuff back. Prosperity is coming back to erie. They believed him. Thats important to see if they believe him again. Trump has been making these cases hes going to bring prosperity next year, post covid, and bring back the economy. Says he forgot you the first time and i will be the one to remember you. Erie county is so indicative of the profiles that swung the 2016 election. We will see if it does it again. Host anthony, supporting joe biden. Caller thank you for taking my call. One of your last i think we live in two different realities sometimes. Democratico say reality is so much more accurate. Your last caller said things like cnn is not covering the biden laptop issue. Who cares about it . There is no evidence there that there was any wrongdoing whatsoever. You turn on fox news, they very rarely mention the tragedy of this virus. Just like they did with Hillary Clinton in benghazi, they just pound this laptop story every time you turn on fox. The laptop, the laptop, the laptop. It is ridiculous for voters to look at the coverage and say, well, fox and all of am talk radio is being fair and balanced. Cnn and emison bc are not. That is just ridiculous msnbc are not. When people say biden is lying ,bout fracking and other things locale trump lied look at how trump lied. It is on and on and on. Not to mention the record high debt. Everybody was up in arms about the record high debt when obama was president. They look at the record high trade deficit. The tax policy failed to help american voters. That is what is important. Improve thething to health care of americans. This is what people are looking at. Pennsylvania voters are smart and not going to fall to the playbook of the article things like laptops. Host anthony mentioned several issues. Julian routh, from your reporting, what are some of the top issues voters care about and is motivating them to show up to either already vote or show up on election day . Guest besides the ones we have talked about that do include things like law and order and even fracking, i think the Biggest Issues on peoples minds are who was going to better handle the covid19 pandemic and the survival of the Affordable Care act, no matter which side you are on. Senator bob casey has been warning democrats and sounding the alarm for months saying that they should be telling voters the survival of the Affordable Care act and protecting people with preexisting conditions is very much on the ballot. It is something that will play well here. Health care, he is right in saying that is important given the confirmation of Amy Coney Barrett and the way the courts have changed the last couple of years. Covid19 continues to hit this state very hard. It is in the top 10 of most deaths since the beginning of the pandemic. Cases are researching again. The secretary of health said we should be prepared and we are not rounding the corner. Those issues are extremely important. It is really a melting pot of the political universe here. Host another headline. The Pennsylvania Health secretary cautions against even small holiday gatherings as covid19 cases continued to soar. Jeff from pennsylvania supporting the former Vice President. You are on the air. Caller good morning. How are you this morning . Host what are your thoughts . Caller my wife is being discriminated against because of disabilities to getting a voting ballot. No one will do anything about it. Host discrimination for voting in what way . Caller they claim they mailed her a valid the 13th of the ofth ballot the 13th october. We dont have it. They told her to come in tomorrow and fill in there is no way to get her into the poll. These are republicancontrolled voting districts. Making alling kinds of claims. There is no accommodation for her situation. Host julian routh, any o thoughts any thoughts . Guest i would like to do reporting on that topic,. Access to the n email, me a that would be great. The overwhelming focus is the distribution of mailin ballots and getting people to return them. There are a lot of people doing good work on this. It is something that will decide the election. Host larry, you support the president in tennessee. Good morning. Caller i do support our president. I have heard a lot of talk about the laptop. That is a big deal to this country. The gentleman before, i would like to tell him to do a little more research and to look at the man who was an eyewitness sitting beside the Vice President of the United States making deals with china. I used to be democrat. In the last eight years i have changed to a coldblooded republican. Partys not the democratic that me and my mother went and worked on for 20 years. Not even close. I hope to god this country sees what is going on. Host ok, larry. Democratsth, how many President Trump convinced to vote for him and 2016 . 2016 . Guest it is hard to quantify the amount of the phenomenon we are talking about. I dont have the numbers but i will say democrats do believe that was very much enough to swing the election to donald trump and give him that 44,000vote margin. Trump talked about in the last four years and before 2016 saying this is not your grandfathers democratic party, which has been shared down ballot in pennsylvania. It is making an impact. Whether we can quantify that in 2016, i would have to look. It was probably enough to swing the election. Host crystal in philadelphia. You support the bidenharris ticket . Caller the caller from michigan um,d philadelphia needs to, open their eyes and stop listening to what is said. I am here. Dont be telling me from michigan was going on in philadelphia. The guy down in florida i theeve talked about problems we are having in philadelphia. Yeah, we have problems. Laptops. You try to make something up like you beat hillary up over it. Philadelphia, look, biden says we need the police to be more respectful and do safety stuff. The way they handled that boy with the knife coming after the police, shoot him in the leg. You dont have to shoot him 14 times. Gun laws. Why do you need to be buying 50 guns in pennsylvania . It doesnt make any sense. You have to have some kind of control. Sensible controls. You guys out there keep drinking the koolaid that lying president keeps putting out here. Just the way he is trying to lead the whole country, we have to get some sensible controls with health care, with gun laws, with policing. Who is there to help us and protect us . I love police. The guy in the northeast. He might be having rallies on his block. I live in northeast philadelphia. He can stop with the nonsense. You have your pockets of people allowing the proud boys. We are going to stand out in the rain. Day but we wet for a are not going to get soaked for another four years with this guy. , lets talk routh about gun issues in pennsylvania. The Second Amendment and those that would like to see some reform. How does that play out and where . Guest i think it plays out in a couple of ways. I want to mention this week marked the twoyear anniversary of the tree of life massacre, the worst antisemitic attack on u. S. Soil in history. It happened in pittsburgh. That sparked a lot of calls for change to gun laws that never happened. That is different than the topic of talking about protecting the Second Amendment in the Rural Counties that matter so much. There is a lot of important Second Amendment here. That is clear. To help gun laws impacted the election, im not sure. There have been so many issues that have taken precedence in pennsylvania. You see it in poland all the time. Gun laws and gun control might have come up on those surveys. They are not right now. It is something that i dont have too much of a grasp on at this point. Host you can follow julian rouths reporting if you go to postgazette. Com. Thank you very much for your time. Guest thank you for having me. Host we will continue talking about the bow ground state of pennsylvania. Up next, Nicholas Clark from susquehanna university. 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It is looking like biden as an advantage between 4 and 6 . Host is it enough to get out of the margin of error . Guest i believe so. On the high side the margin is around five point. Even if the Vice President were to come down a percentage point, that would be enough to do it. That is a high margin though. Most cases will be between 3 and five point. We will not know on Election Night because they will be ballots being counted for the days afterwards. It does look at the polls. If they are accurate, the Vice President will pull this off. Host 20 electoral votes at state. What role with the state play in this election . Guest if it is close, if the polls are largely wrong and none of the other states and play such as florida or North Carolina or georgia or arizona are competitive, pennsylvania will decide it. We may not know the outcome on Election Night. We will know if it is close or if it is more of a landslide for the Vice President. If it is close, it will likely come down to pennsylvania. Host what about those who dont traditionally vote . How are they voting how did they voting 2016 . How are the candidates getting them to show up this time around . Guest we expect turn out to be higher. Pennsylvania typically has a higher turnout rate and the rest of the country. There are between 30 and 40 of eligible voters that are not turning out. President trump did mobilize new people to the polls last time. He may do so again this election. We are getting evidence their people voting for the first time for Vice President biden because they think the election has consequence. They are being motivated to turn out as well. I think both campaigns are focused more on turnout than on trying to get new voters to the polls. I think there have been efforts to register new voters by both parties. Republicans have had some edge but i think they above focused on turnout with their own base supporters. On thehat is your take Supreme Court yesterday and their decision on pennsylvanias ballots . Guest obviously it has consequence. It means the state can continue counting ballots it receives for a few days after the election. If the election is close, if the margin of error works in the somethings favor, between 0 and 1 by 2016, those additional ballots may make a difference. At this point in time the Supreme Courts decisions have favored continuing to count ballots, which may be to the favor of Vice President biden. I dont think that question is settled. I think if we get to november 4 and there is not a clear answer, they will continue to be legal challenges and the court may hear the decision again. Host what are the rules in place in pennsylvania for a recount . Margin, ihin the think it is roughly under 1 where there is an automatic one. I think you will see both campaigns challenging to have a recount if it is anywhere close to 1 . I think likely we will see a recount because the consequences will be so dire. Host where will you be watching . What pockets of pennsylvania are you watching on Election Night and one . Why . Guest some counties flipped from blue to red in 2016 that could affect that could in effect flip back. On the eastern side of the state. You recounting in the northwest part of the state. Erie countyounty in the northwest part of the state. There is a decent chance those three could go back to blue. I think beaver county, that has traditionally been more republican but it did go blue and 2018 in the midterms. You could see that coming back. West of philadelphia, we could see that flip. And cumberland in the center. Most counties that are red or blue in 2012 and 2016 will remain so. There are five or six counties that could flip back. I think the overall margins across the state, if the Vice President is able to do 5 or 6 better in traditionally right counties, that could make up the difference from 2016. Host we will go to gary and philadelphia supporting the president. Good morning. Caller so, you will never change philadelphia and pittsburgh. They will always be democratic strongholds. They always have been. I think we will see in pennsylvania, one, a lot of Trump Supporters there is a lot of violence towards Trump Supporters. People had their homes damaged, signs taken away, attacked on the streets. Jews in new york getting attacked when they are for trump. There is a lot of negative sentiment towards Trump Supporters. What i think you will see in pennsylvania in the further suburban areas are people who dont want their counties to turn into the areas that are democratically run. I believe it was Lancaster County that had an incident where there was a police shooting. There were protests. It almost turned into riots. Instead of turning into a full out riot, they charged every Single Person who was arrested and they are pushing them through the justice system. They are not ignoring it. When we talk about law and order and we talk about what kind of administration we want, i think it is evident in pennsylvania when you see in those Rural Counties they put a quick quash on any issue that arose. I think that speaks volumes. Host nick clark . Think as i said before, i most right counties will stay red. The law and order message the president is advancing is likely with voters who decided they will support the president there is not a lot of evidence it is changing anyones mind. It is really resonating with people who are already embedded. The question is will it mobilize turnout . Will Trump Supporters be more likely to vote because they are concerned about these law and order issues . I have my doubts because i think its already a highly mobilized group. They are likely to turn out and vote. I suspect gary is right. Pennsylvania stays red, that may one of the expo nations but i have some doubts right now. Host how confident are you in polling this time around . Guest we are in a different situation. We have more state polling now. A lot of the polling people were basing their projections on back in 2016 were national polls. We did not have as many staples as we have now. There are more consistent indicators of what is going on in each state. I think they have accounted for some of the errors they had in 2016. Essentially they were not weighting demographics that were likely to support the president as much. We are seeing that now. I am fairly confident because of the differences that make of the polling methodology that they may be more accurate. We can see that in 2018. They were far more accurate pricking outcomes and 2016. 2016. Host what are voters saying now about this election . Guest that is primarily whites without a College Education. That Group Remains pretty friendly supportive of the president , particularly white men without a College Education. We have seen some movement with white women without a college of asian. Without a College Education. Decker supported the president in 2016 by 10 to 20 point. It is basically even between Vice President biden and President Trump in that group right now. That group does for the remain in the president s camp. There are a lot of voters without a College Education in pennsylvania, which is what makes it much more of a swing state. Host david from florida, supporting the president. Caller thank you. I have a couple of points. I now live in florida. I am 82. Viewpointn overall but im an avid trump supporter because i watched him as i was growing up in philadelphia. What he could get done in new york when nobody else could, because i did work in new york for a while. As far as the university of pennsylvania, my father graduated from the university of pennsylvania and university of pennsylvania law school. Has tell you, biden what do they call them . A big fund at the university of pennsylvania. The chinese are the people that gave him the money for that fund at the university of pennsylvania. My father would be turning over in his grave. Pittsburgh. I love pittsburgh. It is booming. Ozing with people. They had to put in new bridges. Son got a 6,500 raise. Anything people say about trump did not do this and trump did not do that and trump lies, nobody actually tells me what was the lie he told. Clark, our People Better off in pennsylvania than they were four years ago . Guest i dont think so. Im not sure even the president s supporters are saying that. They look to the president is the one that improved the situation. His success in 2016 was based on a message around change. We are going to make your lives better. He is trying to repeat that message even though he is coming at this as an incumbent. I think supporters are going along with it. A lot of what is wrong with the country are factors beyond the president s control. By reelecting him he may be able to address those and make the country better. Host what about independents, nonvoters, swing voters . Guest i think independents and swing voters look more like democrats who were saying the country is not better off, in fact it is worse off. There is dramatic need for change in the dont look at the president has the one they can deliver that. They look at him is responsible for the situation. It is roughly in the high 80s and low 90s amongst democrats would say that. The high 60s among independents. Host gerrit in michigan, you are undecided. Caller i was listening to the program here. I heard an individual calling for michigan, just a couple of towns over from where i live. His comments were not spiteful. Then i heard the philadelphia caller call in. She started screaming and raving, dont tell us how to do things. You dont know its happening in philadelphia. Weess the tv is lying to us, are seeing the riots in the business is being burned to the ground. We do know what the hell is going on in philadelphia. We have a right to our opinions. What is happening in philadelphia and a lot of the other big cities are democraticallycontrolled that are being destroyed. Im a lifelong democrat myself. Where i have gotten to the point where i am frustrated is in 2016 we cast our ballots. But even when Bernie Sanders runs, Hillary Clinton got the superdelegates. Host are you undecided . You sound like you know you are voting for. Caller after listening to the back on conversations, i am leaning strongly towards the president. I will tell you what. When i hear people blaming him for Different Things i will give you an example. The cost of living has gone up. Part of that is because of the pandemic. How was the president responsible for that . They need to take responsibility for their own actions and stop blaming they keep saying donald trump is lying but they will not tell us what the lie is. Host charles in trenton, florida, supporting the former Vice President. Caller i was just wanting to make a comment about the fracking. I know that is a big issue in pennsylvania. Ifot sure if i were everyone is aware of but fracking is dependent on the price of oil. Right now there is an oil war between russia and saudi arabia. Fracking is off the table. It is too expensive to try to do. To complain about what biden things about that is kind of irrelevant. Clarkst me get nick perspective on the question of fracking. Does it alienate voters . Comments,residents does it alienate voters in pennsylvania . Guest somebody voters already have their minds made up if they will support him or not it is unlikely to have an effect. It does resonate because fracking is a big part of the pennsylvania economy. It helped create new jobs and fueled additional revenue into the local economies and the state economy. It does resonate with voters here but im not convinced it is moving the dial in terms of the likely outcome of the election. I think most people have their minds made up. You asked about what is different about 2020 . Undecided. Rs were genuinely undecided. They tended to break in the president s favor a few days before the election. At the same moment in earlier we are looking at 4 to 5 whose minds are not made up, genuinely undecided. They areof those, probably already leaning a direction. It is hard to imagine fracking is affecting more than a handful of people. Host the president and the former Vice President holding dueling Campaign Rallies today in tampa, florida. The president will be there at 1 30 p. M. Eastern time. We will have coverage of his event right here on cspan and on our website, cspan. Org. Four listen on the go with the free cspan radio app. In the evening time, joe biden will be there at 6 30 p. M. Eastern time. You can watch it here on cspan and on our website and the radio app. Lets go to donna in hampton, virginia, supporting charles in trenton, florida. You are on the air with nick clark. Donna . Good morning. Caller i am having fun with your phone call. Trying to get there was a nightmare. Host we are having a little bit of an issue this morning. Caller the girl said he got some bad weather. I am wondering why you dont have an independent line anymore. I think that is the one i should be calling under. I have a couple of comments for your guest. Memberseveral family who were going to vote for trump for one good reason because their 401 k s have gone through the roof. They are very happy he is in office and they will reelect him. I also have at least six family members that are in the medical field in several different states. One is a director of a big hospital in tallahassee. The coded thing is wore out. That is what the democrats are counting on. They have no issues in their hospitals. Host i want to get nick clarks perspective on health care the aca and covid19, how that has impacted the race in pennsylvania. Guest i think covid is probably impacting the race everywhere. Amongst supporters, you might find people like donna who think the issue is not salient or the pandemic is somehow handled and we are over it. Amongst independent voters, they are not seeing the same reality. They think the pandemic is very much ongoing. They are concerned about how the federal government is responding to that. I dont think it is a given every independent voter will flit from President Trump to Vice President biden but i think overall the issue is probably a plus for Vice President biden. Host nate in milwaukee. Caller thank you for having me. I was calling because i know gerrymandering is an issue pennsylvania has to deal with, like wisconsin. In 2018, trump supported the gerrymandering which is basically rigged elections. One thing i was going to ask about on that issue on taking away peoples freedom when it is,s to state elections does pennsylvania, like wisconsin, still have a gerrymandered state legislature that is not responsive to voters and undermining the governors efforts to deal with coronavirus . We have had problems with that. Say i thinkl gerrymandering is something both parties have engaged in. While i agree they can and does work against democratic intentions, it is not something nce of to the provide republicans. Pennsylvania has been dealing with this. Congressional districts were redrawn by court order roughly two years ago. That is part of what created a situation where three public and districts flipped in 2018. Republican districts flipped in 2018. State house representatives have remained largely intact. I dont think we have seen a lot of effort the area to redraw them. There is some gerrymandering going on there. That has been to the benefit of republicans at the statehouse. I dont think it is unique to the Republican Party in pennsylvania or anywhere else. Host undecided, ned . Caller hi. It is getting interesting out there. The whole fracking thing getting worked out there in pennsylvania, the industry is actually shifting over to start using geothermal technology. Hopefully that might have peoples that might affect peoples voting outcome if that is an issue for them. Upanted to bring one thing you are not talking about. Withnk we need to focus on the pandemic surging in all the hospitals across the nation going to be overwhelmed with we are under attack from russian Cyber Attacks going on targeting our Health Care Infrastructure across the nation. John inwill go on to pennsylvania supporting the Vice President. Caller yes. I am a registered republican for more than 20 years. Am a never trumper. In 2016, Hillary Clinton was able to win Chester County. Obama did not win Chester County. It seemed like there was a big shift in Chester County. I wondering how much of this antitrump is coming from philadelphia. Chester is 60 miles from Atlantic City. Being knowledgeable of what happened in Atlantic City with trump bankrupting four casinos and receiving 1 billion worth of debt relief and not paying taxes on that. You areet debt relief, taxed on that debt relief. Trump, according to the Atlantic City press, he never paid taxes on that 1 billion he got in debt relief. It seemed like Atlantic City was the only place reporting on what was going on there. And event make it, during the campaign of 2016, none of that stuff host nick clark . Guest i suspect it is a small effect because it might be People Living in Chester County that are more likely to have known someone affected by that. Mediak in general the coverage of the president and his financial situation and the issues hes had over the years have been pretty widely covered. It was covered before he was president. I think most people will have draw the conclusions and have done so it may be less information and based on what the National Media has been saying. I am not sure his Business Ventures in Atlantic City had a pronounced effect on how people are voting. I think there are more moderate republicans in Chester County who are more prone to the president because they disagreed with his general approach or positions. Host lauren in kyle, texas. Caller yes. Earlier the guest said that voters werent really seeing the president s promise of is your life better now than it was four years ago. My husband is from pittsburgh. I will tell you how our lives have improved. I think it is indicative of a lot of folks. We did not vote for trump but we will be because we were lower middle class living paychecktopaycheck before this president. In the last 18 month alone i have received two races because of the tax decrease my company, a 20 increase in my 401 k . The lowest refinancing rate of pay down debt to make Home Improvements and increasing the value of our home. And saving tremendously at the gas pump. All these things have taken us from lowerclass to middleclass. We dont want to go back to living paychecktopaycheck again, even if that means four more years of trumps friends where the delivery of his message. Cringe worthy delivery of his message. Guest i think that message was far more effective for the pandemic. Before the pandemic. Their people for whom that will still resonate. Because of the pandemic and the shut down, im not saying it is the fault of the president. He did not bring the pandemic about. The fact most people are not in as good of the situation, he has not been able to rely on the booming, growing economy to the same extent he could have a year ago. I am not sure how any people feel that position. There are others out there voting for the same reasons you are. The question is what does that look like in the aggregate . Im not sure that favors the president in the same way anymore. Host michelle in harrisburg, pennsylvania, supporting the bidenharris ticket. Caller good morning. Am i on . Element to say ones did speak about geothermal energy. , we what i understand simply dont have access as they would where they are moving towards electricity, this fuel cell energy. The use ofture bans oilrun vehicles in the future. We are moving away from that anyway. Host ok, michelle. Ticket i like the biden because donald trump has done a lot of lying. He is not consistent with the truth. I dont have any kind of respect for anyone that tells lies. Host nick clark, his character and issue . Issues . Aracter an guest it is likely due to character issues. I dont think it is based on his policy position all right everything he says. Rather it is a broader estimation of his character. The other thing interesting to me is a lot of collars are talking about energy. It does illustrate the potential impact of that during the debate. A lot of observers did nothing to debate moved the needle at all. It has certainly stimulated an interesting discussion about energy. I think that is one positive outcome from it. Host bernard in mount pleasant, pennsylvania, supporting the president. Caller thank you for taking my call. I am a supporter of the president because as for being in westmore county, our last industry probably is fracking. Democratsblishment lostepublicans we had the steel mills. I believe trump is trying to keep pennsylvania alive and i hope to see more coverage from somebody about some of the laptop from mr. Biden. I dont know if it is true or not. I would like somebody other than fox to do a report on it. Thank you. Have a good day. Host nick clark, lets talk about other races beyond the presidency you will be watching on Election Night. Guest the senate for sure. It is looking more like democrats could flip the senate. I think there is still some uncertainty around that. There is a lot of key races and that, including arizona and colorado. It is looking pretty likely the democrats will win there but is not for sure. Maine and iowa and North Carolina are likely to be closer. Alabama will likely flip from the democrats to republicans. There are some really interesting races shaping up in red states like South Carolina and alaska and kansas and even mississippi. I dont think mississippi will go blue but it has been more competitive than we have seen for a while. The senate will definitely be receiving a lot of attention. And thethe house races control of the house is far listing question lesson question. Democrats could gain more or lose seats but i dont think there will be a tremendous effect with the house. We will see interesting statewide races. There are a number of statehouses up for contention. Speaking to the caller asking about jerry manning, we are entering gerrymandering, statehouses will be redrawing district. It is interesting which party is controlling them. Some could flip in this election. The we will be focusing on on who will control congress on Election Night right here on cspan. Our coverage gets underway at 9 00 p. M. Eastern time on cspan, cspan. Org, and download the free cspan radio app. Stay with us that night because we will bring you results from these key house and senate races nick clark was talking about. You can watch it all here on cspan, your place for unfiltered view of politics. The election rallies happening today. You can see our coverage if you go to our website, cspan. Org. We will cover both candidates in tampa right here on cspan. The president at 1 30 p. M. , and the Vice President at 6 30 p. M. Eastern. Wendy in michigan, you support the bidenharris ticket. Caller i think after listening kushners information that he had with bob woodward last night, i think pennsylvania is just another notch that donald trump wants to implement his plan to weaken our democracy. He does not give a crap about anyone pennsylvania. Keningt wants to keep wea our democracy and he will do anything and everything to win everywhere he can so he can continue his diabolical plan of becoming an authoritarian. Host nick clark . Female voters in this election, what role did they play in 2016 . What role can they play this time around . Guest i think of the Vice President wins, it will be due to female voters. They are far more likely to support the Vice President than male voters, by over a 20 margin at this point. When we talk about the suburbs flipping to blue from red, which is part of what we have seen in pennsylvania and 2018 midterms, a lot of people anticipate it will happen in 2020, it is because of female voters in the suburbs. If the presidency changes hands, that will be due to supportive fema voters. Fema voters. Female voters. Host you are supporting the president . Caller yes. With the fossil fuels biden wants to get rid of and go all electric, electric cars will have to draw on electric. California as of now, without the fossil fuels, they are having brownouts. People are not thinking about that. Where are you going to get all the power from . I need to hear biden answer tough questions. He has taken no tough questions. They are thing is leading this country towards socialism. The democrats are going to farleft. Too far left. Host tell us about bucks county. Guest it will be key. It did go for secretary clinton by a small margin back in 2016. I think the Bidenharris Campaign is having to win it by a larger margin in 2020. Bucks county and berks county west of philadelphia are two places where we might see an effect like that. The New York Times had an oped the other day, and opinion editorial from bucks county that thinks it will go trump because the number of trump signs in the county. I think the polling does not necessarily back that up, nor do the 2016 or 2018 returns. I think it will be important and i suspect it will go for the Vice President. Bill tallahassee, florida, supporting biden. Caller thanks for taking my call. Just a couple of questions regarding this whole thing with people in the fracking and the weight the Trump Campaign has played this out as if biden does not support things that are going on in his home state. People ll me how these are his fellow citizens , they willew up at just take what he said and allow this guided twisted . Guy to twist it . Guest if you were talking about the president s supporters, they are like the people already supporting him and are strongly republican. Because the Vice President was born in scranton, you would not respect Republican Voters to gravitate to him for that reason. If there is anyone whose might has been changed around the question of fracking, it is probably people in the industry or in towns imported by fracking. There are towns in the state of pennsylvania im not saying fracking is good but it has injected much needed money to keep towns alive. A lot of people view the economic situations, their ability to live as being somewhat at stake in the industry. I dont the recent debate or discussion on the program today is shifting any minds. A lot of fracking supporters the already perceived democrats as being unfriendly to the industry and they decided to support the president or the Republican Party more broadly. Host what is the ground game like for both campaigns . Guest in pennsylvania it is pretty intense. They both recognize a could come down to this state. The Vice President has a lot of money. He has been able to extend his state,nto the t of the the alabama portion of the state. Where i met in clets growth, almost the dead center, a heavy republican county by three to one. The airways have a lot of airwaves have a lot of biden ads. It is very different from 2016. The borough where i live here in snyder county, back in 2016 there were a lot of trump signs. There still are today. Supporters are out in full force. If you walk around the borough itself, there are a lot of biden signs. I say its about 5050 within the borough itself. That is not the case in the countryside. That was not the case back in 2016. You saw no clinton signs at that point. I dont know what that means for the outcome. I think the president will win this county and almost all the other red counties in the state but i dont know if it will be by the same margins as 2016. Host care to give a prediction for this election . Who do you think will win pennsylvania . Guest i think it will be the Vice President. It may be by a narrow margin and i dont know we wont know Election Night or maybe even by the end of that week. I think when it is all said and done the Vice President is likely to have one in. Host fred and marilyn supporting the president. Caller thank you for cspan. This is in reference to the previous caller from pittsburgh saying she was better off. That saidsaw a poll 56 of americans said they were better off now than they were four years ago. I am thinking that might be because of the first three years of the trump administration, bluecollar wages went up more than white collar wages. Character was referenced earlier. I am wondering if in pennsylvania this hunter biden laptop story might get some legs, particularly because of facebook and twitters actions. I am wondering if that might resonate some. Greta, could cspan have the New York Post reporter on cspan sometime to take questions fro m us . Host nick clark . Guest there are much fewer undecided voters right now. If you have made up your mind, it is unlikely to be changed by the hunter biden story. We have not seen this story have the same effect essay james comey coming out and saying the fbi was investigating secretary clinton back in 2016. To be quite honest with you, people are tired of scandal. They are tired of it on both sides. I think Something Like the hunter Biden Allegations are far less likely to shape anyones opinion because we have seen so many of these sorts of things on both sides of the aisle. People dont know what to believe and they are exhausted with it. People are looking at other metrics to decide how to vote. If it is as close as it was in 2016, a difference of 44,000 votes, and Something Like the laptop somehow changes the minds of 10,000 or 15,000 people, it will get the president even closer. Maybe that will make a difference. Host kathy in ohio. Why do you support the former Vice President . Because heupport him is smart enough and a good enough leader to move our country in the right direction. Because itall upset is so important. The changes and the decisions being made right now in the sorts and in our states are important. People are starting to finally realize it. I would say people from pennsylvania, i lived in Ridley Creek State Park for six years. A beautiful place. If anybody and pennsylvania thinks donald trump cares about you, look at what is happening with fracking. I understand what people are saying about working in the industry and they are afraid of losing their jobs. That is trump pulling you into voting for you bullying you into voting for you. Listen to people like tom ridge and the epa before they were forced to change their detection limits so development could continue in a bad way. Listen to the right people. Voters, be your own ear. Trump is just using you. Host nick clark, what are you watching for in the days leading up to tuesday . Guest we continue to watch for the number of early ballots that are cast. As the number goes up. We know that is skewing heavily democratic. Basically we are watching both candidates to see what they are doing on the ground. I dont think there is anything either candidate will say that will shake up the race. I think for most people it is just waiting in anticipation right now. We have entered the stage where it is a western of getting to election day. Question of getting to election day. Host when we come back, the return to the hearing on capitol hill yesterday where the ceos of facebook, twitter, and google appeared virtually before the Senate Commerce lawmakers. They were asked about their influence, their companys influence. Do you think these companies have too much power . Your answers, coming up. Sunday at 9 00 p. M. Eastern on afterwards, the wall street journals gerald sides with his book, we should have seen it coming. He is interviewed by Washington Post columnist karen tumbled to. We tell people people to vote for someone they like. He will be in their living room through tv every night. That turns out not to be true with donald so people say, he has only got a 42 personal approval rating, so he cannot possibly win. I do not think that is true. He can win. Able who do not like him just like him dislike the way he operates and will still vote for him because they like his attitude. Some lawmakers on capitol hill believe they have too much power but for different reasons. Senator ted cruz makes the front page of Washington Examiner for his questioning of the ceos of google, facebook, and twitter. You will of twitter blocks the distribution of the New York Times story a few weeks ago that purported to be based on copies of President Trumps tax returns . We did not find it in violation of our terms of service because it was reporting about the material, not disturbing. That is not true. A poster what purported to be original material and the federal statute makes it a crime, a federal felony to have someones tax returns against your knowledge. A violation of federal law and twitter gleefully allowed people to circulate that and when the article was critical of joe biden, twitter engaged in rampant censorship and silencing. You have not changed it. We have changed it. They can login. He forced a political political reporter to take down his post. Is that correct . Within that 24 hours, yes, but the policy has changed. You can censor the New York Post and politico, and presumably the New York Times or any other media outlet. And put you in charge of what the media are allowed to report and what the American People are allowed to inr, and why do you insist behaving as a democratic super your political lease . Lets give mr. Dorsey a few seconds to answer that and then we have to conclude this segment. We are not doing that. This is why i opened this hearing for calls for more transparency. We realized we need to earn trust more. We realized more accountability is needed to show our intentions and outcomes. I hear and acknowledge the concerns, but we want to fix it with more transparency. The Washington Examiner has this headline on mr. Dorseys defense, saying they blocked reporting on Hunter Bidens laptops and emails saying it was unclear how they were detained. Being warned by the fbi of haack and leak operations. That is what Mark Zuckerberg told the committee yesterday, saying they were put on after a warning from Law Enforcement to be on heightened alert about hack and leak operations in the final days before the 2020 election. Zuckerberg said facebook was not contacted by the fbi about the New York Post article, which alleged ties between the democratic president nominee joe biden and business tins with ukraine. Also says no evidence the article is up with the work of the russia election interference. Democratic senator ed markey of massachusetts pushed back on the claim of bias. Heres what he had to say. Shouldblicans can and join us in addressing real problems posed by big tech. Instead, my republican colleagues determined to be a false narrative about anticonservative bias meant to intimidate big tech so it will stand idly by and allow interference in our election again. Heres the truth. And hate speech online or real problems. Bias is a problem. Attempts to influence our election with this information are real problems. Anticonservative bias is not a problem. The big tech business model, which puts profits ahead of people, is a real problem. Anticonservative buys is not a problem. Bias is not a problem. It is not that too many posts are being taken down. The issue is that they are leaving too many dangerous posts up. They are amplifying harmful content so that it spreads like wildfire and torches our democracy. The Senate Lawmakers had invited the three tech giant Top Executive to testify as part of a broad review of decades old federal laws known as section 230 that spares social media sites from being held liable from posts, photos, and videos they allow or remove. Many members of congress have come to see the rules as outdated. The hearing left facebook, google, and twitter facing conflicting pressures, from democrats who should control sites and services more aggressively and republicans who felt the company should have had a more handsoff role with most political speech. To you. What you think . Charles, and independent. Why . I think democrats and republicans put themselves in this situation years back and being a senior citizen, i think that wemmon sense, would make up our minds. Tvs and all of that junk. We just need what god gives us and what he stands for. It all comes out in the end that gods way is not mans way. Man does not understand gods way. That is why my wife and are independent, because god gave us a mind and a brain to figure things out on our own and we do not need somebody host all right. Pauline, atlanta, georgia, democratic caller. Caller i want to know how ted in the 2000 16 alexion, donald trump said his father was part of the kennedy assassination. I want to know if that was put on twitter. Naomi, republican, your take on this. Caller i do not know where she is coming from. I will tell you one thing. Democrats say republicans need to join them. No. It should be the opposite. We are not stupid. Americans to have a mind like the gentleman just spoke up. A godgiven mind. We know the truth. We can see it, we have common sense, democrats. Come on. Socialo you think these Media Companies have to much power . Caller absolutely. Host should congress do something about it . Caller i think it is unfair. Sure, they put trump and his family through hell the last four years. They made sure they put the family from through hell but yet, all of this is coming about and now they are not doing anything about it, the media is republicansbout the and trumps the side. That is not fair and they are not being fair at all. Referring to the hunter biden laptop emails . Caller yes. That right there. Why dont they have that information with the media . You do not see it on any other channel but yours or fox. Host i will share with you and others the editorial on fox news, on the Tucker Carlsen show. In 20 17e that he said he twice met with former Vice President joe biden as part of an effort of winning and dining him to take the role. He pointed to the document that said talk about joes involvement with the deal, including one that proposed the big i get 10 of equity held in hunters name. Guy is joe. Big he writes joe biden was a private citizen at the time of these alleged meetings and there is no evidence we have seen that he personally benefited from the deal but he has not deny that the meetings took place. The documents make clear he has not been honest about this. Mr. Biden should want to explain his role in assisting hunters business and his rationale for doing so. Good morning. Youre an independent. What do you think about the social Media Companies and the decisions they have made. Too much power . Caller i will actually answer that question. I honestly think they do not have enough power. The reason i say this because there is so much, and unfathomable amount of disinformation being thrown out by the right side. Media and ive argued with, no exaggeration, hundreds of rightwing from supporters. It always leads to the point where they are arguing with me or they start teasing me, getespecting me, and they to the point where they block me and have nothing else to say. The thing about the hunter biden emails, anyone can totally just quiet them, literally shut them up, by saying ok, are there any anyures with bo belinsky pictures with hunter biden and their are no pictures. There is nothing. There is no evidence showing that they were even Business Partners. Everything is allegations and ok, i have got recordings in this and that. Where are the pictures . Shouldnt there be any pictures with Business Partners . There are none. Is no true evidence out there. With all of these social media, saying they do they have to much power, they do not have too much power. Everything they collected with the misinformation is not being collected enough to put together the misinformation, saying ok, you guys are all wrong. Misinformation was the line of questioning by some of the senators on capitol hill yesterday. In relation to this upcoming election. Heres a senator, democrat of washington state. Questioning Mark Zuckerberg about the steps facebook is taking to combat this information misinformation by foreign entities by election day. Can you please talk about what you are doing to make sure statewide entities do not interfere with the election . You, senator. Since 2016, we have been building up very sophisticated systems to make sure we can stop foreign interference in elections. Not just in the u. S. But all around the world. A lot of this involves building up ai systems to identify when clusters and accounts are not behaving the way a normal person would. They are in some coordinated way. A lot of this is also about forming partnerships. The Tech Companies here today work more closely together to share signals about what is happening on different platforms to combat and whose new threats, as well as working with Law Enforcement and intelligence communities around the world and the net result is over the last few years, we have taken down more than 100 networks that were potentially attempting to spread misinformation or interfere, and a lot of them were coming from russia or iran, a growing number from china as well, and at this point, i am proud that our company as well as others in the built simple systems that are very effective at this. We cannot stop countries like russia from trying to interfere in an election, only the u. S. Government can really push back with the appropriate leverage to do that. Systems to built up make sure we can identify much faster when they are attempting to do that. That should give the American People a good amount of confidence leading into this election. Hearing,you missed the go to the websites he spent at work. When you push the play button, you will see gold stars line up at the bottom to let you know some moments of interest in this fourhour hearing like the one you just saw. You can check out the rest of the hearing that way if you do not have four hours to watch it. Misinformation, election interference by foreign governments. Do you think these social Media Companies have too much power . A democrat of minneapolis, your next. Caller good morning. First off, this is the episode where the phones do not work, it is crazy on your end. Of thoughts. Couple minneapolis and minnesota is going to be the deciding factor of this election because it is so close here. Everyone is so divided here. There will be 500 vote that make trump or biden win. That is how close, we are also divided. I am voting for common courtesy and decency left in this world. Host get to the topic. Topic. Ok, back to the with twitter and facebook, i basically stated on twitter the other day, good luck having a time at the rally, good luck getting home, have fun at the coronavirus. I was joking. No one jokes anymore about anything. They blocked me, they have to much power and freedom of press and freedom of speech. I am sorry, twitter, stop banning people for six days. That is ridiculous. Maybe two hours, whatever. Get a freaking life, get off of these apps and go outside and go for a walk and talk to people again. That is how i truly feel. I love the hair today, it looks great and you look awesome. It just makes me crazy that no one talks to anybody anymore. Host ok. California, republican . Yes. R i was raised thirdgeneration checklist of archean and also german. That is a salad in europe. My grandfather had he was living in czechoslovakia and they wanted to take his language away from him and force him to he said no and came to america legally. Later, he met my grandmother and i am not trying to give you family history. I am saying i am wary of anything socialistic, marxist, anything to do with communism, i would like to see in america, free to speak the language and respect the customs and languages of other people. God bless you all. Arkansas, independent. What do you think about these social Media Companies . Caller good morning. Thank you. Listen, jack dorsey live through his beer. He was asked a direct question, can twitter affect the election, and he says no. Are you kit are you kidding me question mark if they did not affect the election, why is he shutting down peoples sites . Ssion is as much a lie of as comission. I have a bone to pick with cspan. For months, i asked to show the democratic platform, the bidenburnie manifesto. There is so so much information people are not getting. We need a press that will give not hidenformation, real information and downplay stories. Talks about russia, russia, russia. Come on. Three years of a phony russian collusion story and it turns out the only russian collusion during the 2016 election was hillarys fake dossier. But we do not want to cover that story anymore. It just gets swept under the rug. This covid virus, we already know the cdc revised their numbers. Only 6 of the deaths are from people who died only from covid. Everybody who had covid when they died, the numbers are skewed. As far as the shutdown goes, the problems are because of the shutdown, not because of the china virus. The governor of new york shutdown the first business, but yet he put Covid Patients in Old Folks Home and cause people to die. Host have you ever been banned were somehow taken down by one of these social Media Companies . Call me oldfashioned. I do not use social media accounts. Facebook is a bunch of sniveling bullies who get on facebook and theyre willing to say anything because they are anonymous. You can ally and bully and say anything if you are anonymous that you would not say to peoples faces. To me, it is a cesspool. My let my wife loves to talk to her family on facebook and post things. She posts things and they would delete it. No reason why. No accountability. Lexington,from kentucky, who sends a text asking, does anyone ask if the Murdoch Family has too much power with the daily propaganda . The new york port New York Post, and fox news. Michael in pennsylvania, what do you think about this . Caller first of all, good morning. I think we are the people who give these social media platforms power. If you disagree with facebook, twitter, and what they are doing, then do not go on them. You cannot expect everybody to check every single post of every right or leftwing person that is an extremist, that puts anything out there. Huge amount of information going in and out. If you do not like fox news, do not watch it. If you do not like cnn, do not watch it. Do not feed the machine by saying everything is wrong because they are censoring me. It is something insane that is so obvious to everyone and they take it off because they do not want to fuel the fire like President Trump has with certain keywords and dog whistles, then of course, have to take things down but i do not think they are skewed one way or another. It is up to the people who are involved in these platforms to make their voices heard and then complained to the platforms if you feel that strongly. Host all right. On the hunter biden emails, near opposes reporting on interview ron johnson did with fox today. Counselsybe special need to investigate joe biden if he wins. The Wisconsin Republican was asked about a special counsel, saying im not a big fan of them but if joe biden wins the presidency, i do not see how you avoid one. Otherwise, it will be tucked away and we will never know what is happening. All the evidence will be buried so i think we have to have a special election if joe biden wins. I think he means a special counsel there. Lola in florida, republican. Hi. Good morning. Like the other gentlemen, i had to quit watching tv in order to keep up with the calls. Sometimes, i do not. There was a caller earlier and as i was listening, talking about big tech. I do believe they have way too much power and control of us. Gentleman before me said, if you do not agree, do not watch it, do not go on. Which i have not been because there is so much garbage on there. Concerned, not only as a citizen, but of this wonderful godtry we do live in, and bless america, that peoples opened, and their common sense, earlier, a ,entleman said, has been skewed and i know, cspan, you put on little portions of this joe biden, but this is my point. The gentleman who called earlier, that there is no proof and no pictures, there are pictures. I have seen them. If anyone would really want to go see pictures, they could go websiteew york posts instead of going to twitter, facebook, whatever. I went to the New York Post, typed in what i wanted to see, the laptoped yes, was and is Hunter Bidens, and , his text and communications back and forth, withly do go inside bidens laptop in his cell phone that he showed us the night of the last debate. The republican and chair of the Senate Commerce committee, according to the wall street journal, recently introduced legislation with two other republican senators to curb a 1990 six law, section 230s reach, the bills main provision would reduce the companys latitude to police content by tightening standards for material that could be removed or restricted but would still maintain the protections. Companies would be free to remove content considered lewd or harassing but the measure would limit the platforms ability to censor materials deemed otherwise objectionable under section 230. Critics say that provision of the law has given the company two months we way. Content could be removed under the gop bill. For more specific findings of unsuitability, such as excessively violent. We are talking about yesterdays hearing with the ceoss of google, twitter, and facebook. They were appearing virtually. What do you think about their answers . You think they have to much power . Caller good morning. To that question, i would say no, but i think the more appropriate question is, to social Media Companies produce safe products. I would also answer no, they dont. The internet is only as good as reflective of us as humans and society. In general, these products are harmful to people, to societies, countries, nations, and one example would be the death of Allison Parker and her father struggled to get the video removed from youtube. He has to fly get every time it came up. Youtube would not flatout remove her death. He had to create an algorithm, get a legal team, and they decided they would copyright that news clip, so they could flag it as a copyright violation and it would get taken down. It is a perfect example of why the question should be, is this product a good product, is it a good product that we can talk to millions and billions of people around the planet, with little to no restraint, and we have seen with isis and extremists, white supremacists, we have seen dozens of examples of, it does not matter how much we monitor or sensor or whatever, it is just not working. Host ok. The president tweeting this morning a couple of minutes ago, gdp number just announced, biggest and best in the history of our country, not even close. Next year will be fantastic. However, Sleepy Joe Biden and his proposed record tax increase would kill it. So glad this came up before november 3. Frank in new york. Frank . Did we lose him . Go to janelle in louisville, kentucky, republican. Are you with us this morning . Caller yes. Say, i haved to already voted in louisville, kentucky and i am pretty proud of it. Republican ticket. I was listening to the news this morning, and i was going to mention the tech giants. I have been blocked on facebook. I do not do twitter, but i do facebook. The billions of dollars, joe biden set on video that he was going to withhold from ukraine, that is all on video. I mention that and then i get blocked. Are basically blocking everything. Askedators repeatedly those ceoss about their bias. If you missed it, go to our website. It does it for todays show. Tomorrow morning. Enjoy your day. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will have her weekly News Conference with reporters. Our campaign 2020 coverage begins this afternoon in tampa, florida. Holding a drivein rally also in tampa and we bring 6 30. O you at tonight, Kamala Harris will speak at an event hosted by bernie
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