202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. That michigang story yesterday, a special line for michigan residents, 202 7488003. That is also the number that you morning. Us a text this if you do, please include your name and where you are from. Otherwise, catch up with us on social media, on twitter cspanwj, and on facebook facebook. Com cspan. Good friday morning to you. More on that Governor Gretchen Whitmer and michigan story. Today storya yesterday about a yougov poll. 7 ,d that nearly half, 40 disagreed with the idea that the election is likely to be fair and honest and significantly more than half, 51 , will not generally agree with on who is a legitimately elected president of the United States. That online poll conducted october 1 through second. It also noted that another found poll of 1500 voters that 56 found they expected the an increased in violence as a result of the election. Those results by yougov published in usa today. A politico, this focusing on pole about 6000 americans that came out in september. That poll noted that in september, 44 of republicans and 41 of democrats said there would be a little justification of violence if the other partys nominee wins the election, both up from a june poll, when 35 of republicans and 37 of democrats expressed that same sentiment. The story goes on to say there is a larger increase in the chair of democrats and republicans who believe there will either be a lot or a great deal of justification for violence if the party were to lose in november. The share of republicans viewing substantial justification for violence at their side loses jumped from 15 in june to 20 in september, while the share of democrats jumped from 16 in june to 19 in september. That is why we are asking this morning are you concerned about Political Divisions in this country . Will spurnk they violence before or after the election . 202 7488001 for republicans, democrats, 202 7488000. Ndependents, 202 7488002 and, again, considering the story out of michigan yesterday, a special line for michigan residents, 202 7488003. We will get right to your calls this morning. Bob up first, out of pittsburgh. Bob, good morning. Caller good morning. I think a lot of that violence is spread by the news. Everyoneer thing, should listen to, Michelle Obama gave a speech about no violence for black lives matter. A teenager was shot and killed by a black cop. He was a black teenager. They went into a white neighborhood, broke windows, and it was on tv. See what she did, she put out a dog whistle for them to start rioting again. That is the way i look at it. Host bob, to this other question we asked, how do we lower the temperature in this country, especially right now at the height of an election . What can we do right now . Caller tell people like Michelle Obama to keep her opinion to herself. Cbs, abc,hat, nbc, cnn, msnbc, they dont even show these riots on tv. Pennsylvania this morning. Duane in north carolina. Good morning, duane. Are you concerned about Political Violence . Caller well, i do believe that there will be violence, myardless of who wins, but comment that i wanted to express this morning is that my sign was over at my house over the weekend, and we was talking about the people that made less than 400,000 a year would not have a tax increase if mr. Biden won the election. And my sign told me that im retired and he told me, if that my taxesss, for 2021 will go up at least 2000 if he eliminates the trump tax cut. And i did not realize this, because i was under the impression that my taxes was not going up, based on what they had said. And people need to realize out there, everybody, that if you vote for biden, you are going to be paying, in 2021, you are going to be paying out of your pocket over 2000 more than you are going to pay this year. Host that is duane in north the thoughts. Ing back to your thoughts on the issue of Political Division in this country, whether you think they will spur violence. We have that number for brett michigan residents for michigan residents. Candy is good morning. In lake city. Candy good morning. , caller good morning. Of thatat did you think story yesterday . Caller i dont know what to think about it, but i will say this, if it is something that really did happen, the president of the United States of america is the commander in chief, so he therefore kind of runs the fbi a little bit, so if it is true and it didnt happen, it is very sad, he has to authorize the investigation for months to watch over the governor. There is too much division. I have faith in the American People, and i think just because the media shows us pockets of violence, i think, overall, our country is going to stand up and do the right thing. Whole countrythe is engulfed in racism and violence. But the fbi has to approve protecting together and to uncover this. Host candy, President Trump made that point on twitter yesterday, when talking about it, that his Justice Department was leading that investigation, foiled that dangerous plot against the governor. He went on to say, rather than thank me, she called me a white supremacist. But candy, you say you are confident that the country is going to stand up and do the right thing. What gives you confidence right now in that . American, i love my country, and i just believe in the American People, that we are going to do the right thing, that they can see through this, show us the bad se and not the good i just have confidence in the American People. And i am so thankful that whatever was out there, that nobody did get hurt, though. And i do support the police. I think they are awesome. I am thankful i live in a country that we d there is an electoral process, we have laws, and you have to think about all the lawabiding citizens that have suffered because of all the violence and the writing that has happened. Those are not peaceful protests. We have the right to protest peacefully. We dont have the right to destroy other people and other citizens property and businesses and wellbeing. Host candy, thank you for the call out of lake city, michigan this morning. Joint on the phone now by Detroit Free Press Lansing Bureau chief. Most of the stories coming out about this plot, to kidnap the governor. Mr. Egan, take us through what we know so far, how far it got before it was foiled. Know isk, well, what we there were a number of conversations that were going on, both in person, and, in some cases, encrypted over private facebook groups, discussing a number of plots, including one to kidnap a governor, possibly from her Summer Vacation home. That is one that seems to advance the furthest to the point where a highvoltage taser was purchased, night goggles. There was supposed to have been a purchase of explosives taking place this week. There was discussion about designating a bridge near her summer cottage to divert police. There was actually evening surveillance that had occurred on two occasions of her summer home. Thats thats about what there was a know, lot of talk, which, you know, sometimes you can ask the question were they just talking . Or was there going to be action . But there were certainly some element of action taking place, including purchases of weapons and surveillance of the governors home. Host and now 20 individuals have been charged in this case. The group, the Militia Group, the name, the wolverine what do we know about that and how widespread the movement is in michigan . Watchmene wolverine was founded by two of the individuals that have been charged in this case. Theres some association with, you know, what has been come to be known as the boogaloo apparently ach is codeword word for a second civil war, you know, there is anarchy with some of these Groups Associated with some of these movements, talk of, you know, sparking some kind of a war that would allow, you know, people that believed only in the bill of rights, then to sort of, you know, create a new society among themselves. You know, a lot of the stuff is pretty far out there, but michigan has long been a hotbed of militia activity. I mean, when you go back, there were ties to the Oklahoma City bombing in michigan. A number of years ago, the feds brought a major indictment against a Militia Group called hutari that were apparently plotting to blow up police funerals. That went south, although people spend a considerable amount of time in custody. Really no convictions resulted in that case. It gets difficult at times to say well, you know, this was just crazy talk, or it was action, and then, you know, it verythe feds in a difficult position, because if they do not act like some of this talk that looks like it is proceeding to action, then, you know, the commentary always leader is going to be, well, there were all these warning signs. Why didnt somebody do something . Host explain the emergency orders that are in place in michigan, how they played into and whole story yesterday, are the emergency orders in michigan significantly different than emergency orders in other states . Guest well, that is an interesting topic, because on friday, the Michigan Supreme Court struck down as unconstitutional the main emergency law that the governor legalen using to as a underpinning for these orders, so a large number of these orders have basically been declared unconstitutional. Now, many of them are backed up by separate orders under another statute, but to get to your original question, yes, there is definitely a link here. The governor, like in many states, i would say michigan was probably more aggressive ban many states in imposing a stayathome order, which was imposed in march, lifted june 1. Many businesses were closed completely. This was certainly a point of contention among the alleged conspirators. There was talk about, you know, Governor Whitmer being a tyrant, that she had taken absolute power. A number of the people, at least two or three of the people that have been charged in this were photographed at the capitol, at demonstrations that were taking place against the stayathome order, or, in one case, a second arose,nt rally that also so there is definitely a link between the emergency orders and this anger that these men were apparently feeling, but, yes, there has been a recent twist on, you know, technically, it could be right now that michigan is the only state in the union that does not have a statewide state of emergency in the moment, in light of this friday Michigan Supreme Court ruling, which is a 43 ruling on a partisan line basis. Host what is next in this case . Are we expecting more charges coming . What do we know about stepped up security around the governor now . Guest um, it sounds like more charges are possible. You know, there were references in some of the affidavits that were filed to other planned kidnappings. You know, the question always is, you know, at what point, again, was this talk proceeding into action . But there are certainly a number of arraignments taking place yesterday. Has been stepped up for the governor in recent weeks. There was a new, high fence erected around her official residence in lansing. Normally, this is something we would have really noticed more. Governor rick snyder, the former republican governor, after the flint water crisis, there were a number of threats made against his life, and we noticed a huge increase in security around him. You know, because of the pandemic, the governor really has not been out and about as much as a governor normally would be, so other than seeing them erect that new fence around the residence, the stepped up security was not as apparent, because of the pandemic. But certainly there have been a number of extra efforts to protect her and her family. She is married with two daughters of her own and two husband, who is her second husband. Host paul egan, with the Detroit Free Press. I know it was a busy day for you yesterday. Thank you for starting your day early with us. We appreciate the time. Guest thanks for having me on. Host staying on the michigan story for a moment more here, these are the remarks from Governor Gretchen Whitmer yesterday, reacting to the charges that were released by federal authorities. [video clip] Governor Whitmer this should be a moment for national unity, pulled together as americans to meet this challenge head, with the same might and muscle that put a man on the moon. Soon, the humanity in one another, and doing our part to help our country get through this. Instead, our head of state has spent the past seven months denying science, ignoring his own health experts, stoking , andust, fomenting anger giving comfort to those who spread fear and hatred and division. Just last week, the president of the United States stood before the American People and refused to condemn White Supremacists and hate groups like these two michigan Militia Groups. Stand back and standby, he told them. Stand back and stand by. Hate groups heard the president s words not as a rebuke but as a rallying cry, as a call to action. When our leaders speak, their words matter. They carry weight. When our leaders meet with, encourage, or fraternize with domestic terrorists, they legitimize their actions, and they are complicit. Host Governor Gretchen Whitmer of michigan yesterday. We mentioned President Trump tweeting a response. It came in a series of tweets at 9 30 p. M. Eastern last night. Here they are from the president. Governor whitmer of michigan has done a terrible job, the president said. She locks down the entire state except for her husbands voting activities. Federal Justice Department foiled a plot, and rather than say thank you, she called me a white supremacist, anarchists, burn downnd mobs that democratrun cities. What i will always do as your president , governor wimmer, open up your state can open up your schools, open up your churches. That was the president on twitter last night, asking you your first hour of washington journal, how concerned are you about this country spurring violence, and what can you do to turn down the temperature . ,an and winchester pennsylvania, good morning. Glad that the am government is safe, and i am glad that Law Enforcement was able to get in and, you know, get in and get those people under arrest. Even after that happened and President Trump sent out another tweet, it was a very nasty tweet. Says a lot of things, and theres people out there that act on some of the things he says. And as far as the protests, the protests theres peaceful protesters, and sometimes it seems at the end of their protesting, when they leave, these opportunists come in, which burned down things, loot things. They are not part of the protesters. Thats other hangers on people. Do alll come in and these things, and that is why and then fox news shows that part. Peacefulot show the people who protest and chant or maybe sing or something. They dont show them. Violenceys turn to the. And, you know, it is just disgusting. And the president could have reached out and said something nice about the governor of michigan. I mean, it is just nasty. Host jan in pennsylvania. This is barry in wisconsin. Good morning. You are next. Caller good morning. Yeah, President Trumps response to her was nasty, but she had basically just called him a white supremacist. , itourse what happened sound like white supremacist, farright, scary people, to Governor Whitmer. It is horrible. Of course it was horrible, and thank god she was ok. And yes, of course, i was trump aide given a nice, warm, fuzzy answer, like biden did, sounding much more president ial. But i am very concerned that the Political Divisions will stir violence as a result of whatever the election the national election, you know, president ial election brings, from both the farright and the farleft. You were reading an article earlier, though, that was talking about the percentages of people worried about violence, and i think in the that you did not read, it was talking about i think it was twice as many republicans are worried about democratic violence, spurred violence, as democrats versus republicans or whatever. And then come again, this is my republican opinion, and whether or not it is right come about from my viewpoint, it appears theres ahope small percentage of republicans that are extreme right, like the White Supremacists and all that stuff, and in the more extreme left democrats who kinda feel like they have to resort to violence to be heard and to get change. So, again, as a republican, i am more concerned if trump won when, that there would be would win, that there would be more violence from democrats, then if biden wins, which would really bomb out half the country. But that is my opinion. Host the story from politico, this is the very you were referring to peer i will read it for you. The numbers from this nations gay poll of 6000 americans that they are talking about, about partisan ideological partisan, the numbers are higher among ideological partisan come among democrats who i did buy is very liberal, 26 said there will be a great justification for violence if the president if their candidate loses the presidency compared to 7 if they had and if i i simply liberal. Of republicans who identify as very conservative, 16 said they believe there would be a great deal of justification for violence if the gop candidate loses compared to 7 of those identifying as simply conservative. This means the ideological extremes of each party are two times to four times more apt to see violence as justified than their partys mainstream members. Bringing up the comments of former Vice President joe biden about the plot in michigan. We will show you those comments from yesterday. [video clip] mr. Biden there is no place for hate in america. And both of us have been talking about this for some time, about andthese white supremacist militias are a genuine threat. I would like to complement the fbi and Police Agencies for what they did and how they stepped up, but look, the words of president s matter. We have said this before. They can cause the nation to have a market rise and fall, grow the war, bring peace, but they can also bring oxygen to those filled with hate and danger. And i just think it has got to stop the president has got to realize the words he utters matter. Talk to gretchen, the governor, earlier, before i landed. She is feeling secure and good, and i think that the fbi and others deserve a great deal of credit for what they have done. Host joe biden yesterday. We mention President Trumps tweet about this matter, his response to Governor Gretchen Whitmers comments. His Campaign Team responding as well. On fox news yesterday, Campaign Aide jason miller responded to the governors comments. [video clip] jason this is absolutely horrendous that anyone would be conspiring to commit such a crime and to put another american, especially someone who elected official, in harms way like this pure im glad have such good Law Enforcement. We stand by our Law Enforcement to make sure they can stop things like this. But i have to say, bill, these are some pretty shameful comments from Governor Whitmer. Bill how so . Jason how we can go from a moment of unity to attacking President Trump, i think is completely ridiculous. If we want to talk about hatred, the Governor Whitmer, go look in the mirror. The fact that she wakes up every day with such hatred in her heart toward President Trump, and President Trump is the one out there condemning these radical groups, whether they be on the right or they be on the left. We saw it two weeks ago when he was in atlanta, introducing his platinum plan, his contract with black america, where he labeled the kkk and antifa terrorist groups. We saw him do it again last week when he was on Sean Hannitys show. So President Trump has been leading host Campaign Aide jason miller on fox news yesterday for the trump campaign. Your callsng thi this morning to mask you whether you are concerned about Political Divisions in this country, spurring violence before or after the election, and what we can do to lower the temperature. Jack, an independent, what do you think . Caller good morning, guys. Independent, so i am down the middle. Are we better off we were four years ago . Is the country better off now than it was four years ago . Everybody, tell the truth, no matter if you are democrat or republican, are you better off now, is the country better off now than it was four years ago . Host jack, how concerned are you about violence related to Political Division in this country . Caller you cant fear people like that, because in the long run, you live by the sword, you die by it. Nobody is really scared of those guys. Those days are over. They better go home and go to sleep before it gets turned around on them. Host all right, that is jack in south carolina. This is clarice in missouri, a democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. I am very concerned, because the president is stoking it. He is the president of chaos, at as soon as he is preceded the ballot, because this country is just the people are just so divided, and it is just a horrible situation. Host how do we fix that, clarice . Caller we vote him out. [laughs] he needs to be out. Biden host even if that happens, clarice, do you think we are going to be united again, after the election, if that result that you talk about happens . Caller he loves division. He is only the president of people who like him. He is not the president of every american, which he should be. I have never seen a republican or a democratic president do this. Just amazing to me. I have never seen anybody stoked division, a president stoke division. Host clarice in missouri. This is james out of lancaster, pennsylvania. James, good morning. Go ahead. Caller good morning. Good morning. I am just curious when it we ever not been divided . You go back to the revolutionary war, civil war, 1950s, 1960s, 19 70s i mean, we are a divided country. If you want to stop the division, just reach over and turned the tv off. That is where the division comes from. It comes from our media, it is attack, attack, attack. They highlight the divisiveness instead of showing any type of unity. You cant even watch i quit watching the news. I used to listen to npr. I listen to cspan for two hours in the morning, and i read the news. Become tornave apart, and if you go back and look at our history, the media has stoked it, all the way from the revolutionary war. I will give you a prime example of our division. I read about the oklahoma massacre. I heard about it on the show, and i read about it. Do you know who started it . The media. The media, newspaper, put out three articles, and they stoked the fire. And you go back to any point in history host stoked the fire of what, james . The media has been around since the revolutionary times that you talk about in this country, and it has been there all along. Why is it worse today, if you are saying it is worse today . Caller because the media has know,the corners, you from fox to cnn, that is so extreme to the right and left. I mean, who would you name as a modernday Walter Cronkite right now, off the top of your head . You couldnt. You cannot name a person that is a Walter Cronkite today. Can you . Host can you, james . Caller when i was growing up, everybody listened to Walter Cronkite, because he reported the news. If i looked at him, i did not see a left side or a right side, i seen the news. I went to bed with the facts. You today turn the news off, theres no facts. It is my corner or your corner, you are right, you are wrong. If we want to stop division, turn the tv off and look in the mirror. Host that is james in virginia. We will stay in virginia, independent, this is larry. Good morning. Caller hello johnny, good morning. This is larry from montrose, look, i fell in with the green party. I do not have any use for either one of these people, and i listen to cspan. I have got this little party out here, and we are fighting for our very survival, thanks a lot, no thanks at all, democrats, and the violence, i remember i was around when they blew of the Edward Morrow building in oklahoma. People out there, right wing shocked jobs like Rush Limbaugh were just peddling and pushing hatred for the other side, and then as soon somebody that is acted on it, what is going on here. Have a lot of confidence in any of this, so that is my comment. I am back to cspan jail. See you next month. Byebye. Host loretta is out of cleveland, ohio. Democrat. Good morning. Caller good morning. Wow. Where do i begin . Bombing, that was a out onact, taken children. I dont understand what is going on with these white people who are supposed to be having a grievance. A grievance about what . They got everything they have got the best education, you have the best homes, you have the best jobs, the best i dont understand what they grieving about. Do you . Host loretta, whether it is grievance or Political Division in this country, what do we do to turn down the temperature here . How do we stop moving towards that sort of rising temperature . Caller well, the question that you are asking is how do we end institutional racism, because this is what black lives matter is all about. America, somewhere in some black person is being brutalized and killed by a police man. It dont matter if he is white or black. The policemen they dont work for us. They protect and serve themselves, and we have seen it time and time again. The things that people need to understand is that black people built this country and have not been paid yet. We are going on a fourth or fifth generation that have been left out, disenfranchised, brutalized, lynched, murdered, raped, killed, you name it. We go through it everyday. And it has got to stop. It is time for it to stop. End institutional racism, we have to debrief america about slavery, because evidently they do not understand. Thank you. Loretta in cleveland, ohio. Michigan, good morning your thought on that story yesterday. Caller i was quite surprised. I live in an area where all you see are trump signs, and sporadically well, not sporadically, theres a lot of witmer professionallymade signs that called her an idiot anymore on, which i really dont agree with, but, the first thing out of her mouth this morning, you know, she wants us to unify, and then she starts attacking trump, you know, but i will give her credit, we are not experiencing the writing that is going on on onoting that is going the western side of our country, so i give her credit, she is not that bad. She was trying to keep us safe. But, i mean, the first chance she gets, she finds fault with trump, and it is not his fault. One way to unify us all is to let trump continue on trying to drain the swamp. And he needs another four years. I hate to say that. Hes not i mean, he has got his faults, but at least he is trying to get the country on track. And people do not realize that if you want to be unified, ok, under the democrat party, ok, go ahead come of for biden, and then we can be a socialist unit. But we will all be unified commit that is so important, so people have got to vote for trump, you know, like i said, he is crude, you know, but he is not a politician. He is a businessman, and people think because of all the bankruptcies that he has had that he does not know when he is doing. Ell, that is what it takes and look at him now, he is a billionaire. I have been watching him, you know, ever since i have been in my 20s. I hate to say how old i am now. [laughs] to me, he is a classy guy, you know, who is just trying to do the right thing. That is linda in michigan. This is steve in chicago. As far as Political Division, spring violence, there has been and will continue to be opportunities for violence as long as there are domestic terrorist groups, as long as they are allowed to exist, klans, groups that should have been stamped out months ago. Democratrun cities have a lot of liens of damage done to minorityowned business. Theres no reason to see this anarchy and chaos and income and we should expect they will election. Disrupt the people in the cities are living in terror and Mainstream Media covers it up. We got america. What can we do to lower the temperature . Duane, westbrook, maine, independent, go ahead, you are next. Caller thanks. The problem is, that sweet that you just posted, the problem is the media, like that other caller said, and the woman who just called in from michigan, here is our issue here. We have got media promoting lies, ok . People watch fox news, and they think when 93 of the protests are peaceful against police brutality, that and in a country where the main terrorist threat is from white supremacist violence, because we have got a president who wants to promote the idea that the crazy liberals are coming for them, and that black lives matters them going to come get in their cozy bedrooms, crazy leftwingers, antifa host duane, the one point of agreement that callers have had this morning, on both sides of the global aisle, is that they have concerns about the media not showing the other side, regardless of what that other side is. Ok, so how do we fix that, duane . Caller it is not both sides. It is not both sides. 93 of the demonstrations have been peaceful. The terrorism in this country come from White Supremacists. Yet you have people calling and who have the idea, because the president is promoting this on fox, that the left is the big problem in this country. That is not the case we have got white supremacist violence in this country, and trumpets play into his base. You think that is his base, so he is actually stoking them up and making them a threat i from leftwingers. This is craziness. And you have people coming in, and the media does not tell them they are incorrect, factually incorrect. The biggest threat in this country is from white supremacist terrorism, and 93 of the protests have not been violent. Host all right, that is duane in maine this morning. Anthony is in minneapolis, a democrat. Good morning. Go ahead. Caller good morning. To be honest with you, i have been listening, and this is really crazy. These people are talking about these riots. I was a kid in 1968 when the whole country was on fire, when peopleing was burning, not one city or street in minneapolis down lake street. What i want to say is the reason why we have so many problems in this country, and this election is going to cause a problem, we are going to have a civil war we have to much hate, and we have people in this country that believe that the only way their lives mean anything as if they are better than others. We have beent skimming over is the browning of america. That is the problem right there. The white people being scared. The media and all of these books, they should have listened to the look, when you look at the demonstrations, those are mainly white people, young people, you dont hardly see any lack people in there. You know why . Because young people are understanding you have to get along with people. Ort when you bring up 1968, things worse today than 1968 . Caller i believe so, because a 1968, we were not on the verge of a civil war. Host you think we are right now . Caller yeah i have been saying it, john. I dont know if you heard me. I have been calling for quite a long time, saying it. The thing is, everybody has to have their own way, and until we start understanding that we all live on this planet together host anthony, when did we start doing that . Winded everybody will have to start having their own way . Has it always been like that, or is there a moment when that sentiment caller it has been that way all the time host why is it worth now . Caller i guess now, because, like i said, the browning of america, and the white man is scared that he is going to lose the power, and then all of a apologize that the black man was coming for him. It is not like that. We have got to all get along in this country come and if we dont, this country is doomed. Minneapolis, in minnesota. Jack come a republican, good morning. Your reaction to that plot against your governor. Caller good morning, john. Good morning, cspan. Thank you for taking my call. About, tryinging to kidnap the governor, then people are they was calling on trump people, them people are not trying people. They may support trump, but trump is the law order, and thats for what they have done, they should pay the cost like anybody else. But you give them a couple of minutes, like i want to say, i have been around for 85 years. I was a soldier in the korean war. I worked with black people, at the shop where i worked, had a lot of good friends, and what i they, they talk about always play the race card, but theres probably 10 to 50 of the white people thats probably racist and about the same percentage in the black people that are racist, but they, you itw, they dont talk about or say anybody is racist, but it is not that way. And another thing come on the democrat party, the Democratic Party is not the same as it was when john kennedy was president. John kennedys inaugural speech, ownaid, it came out of his mouth, ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. And their motto now is ask not what your country can do but what they can what your country can do for you so that is my only comment. You know, i dont know, theres a lot of stuff they are talking about on the news media, msnbc, and fox, they are a little bit bias, you know, towards the republicans, but i heard msnbc ive trump, all they do is run him down. Host that is jack. Lets go to roy in utica. Good morning. Caller good morning. , john, and a cspan audience. I just want to be real about what is truly going on in michigan. We have a great governor, and her administration is just super. That most of and i want to be positive, i believe that most of the white people who are republican that knewup north of michigan about these malicious and hate groups for over 16 years. Host why do you say that . Caller and i believe they are complicit regarding this matter for not standing up and stopping this mess. And i dont know if you can remember i know you do when obama, president obama was president , all these Militia Groups started to mobilize up north in michigan, and lies were being told about how mother how president obama was not an american, by now President Trump , and the president S Administration is going to take away their guns. And so the Tea Party Got involved in all this mess. Furthermore, i had a christian associate in rochester hills, michigan. We went to church together. Ago to me seven years watch out. And i am a black man. And not to go up north, because the sheriffs and the deputies are in cahoots with these Militia Groups. Host that is roy in utica this morning. This is barbara out of massachusetts, a republican. Good morning. Caller good morning. How are you this morning . Host i am doing well, barbara. Go ahead. Caller i just want to say first of all that trump is a diamond in the rough. Was responsible for saving the governors life, and she does not even see beyond that. And there are none so blind as those who refuse to see and dont bite the hand that feeds you. Work together. Those are my sentiments for this morning. Host barbara, how do we teach people to Work Together . If we are trying to learn that, what do we do . Caller well, i think we need to go back to the beginning, you know, our creator tells us in the bible, come to me, humble yourself, repent of your sins, l you. Ill hear wil it cannot be more clear than that. Host that is barbara. This is john. Good morning. Caller the only person that can stop all this is trump. It is happening on his watch. Just like last night, he was on sean hannity. He wants barr to arrest obama, to arrest biden. In reality, trump put crosshairs on those guys, just like he did the governor of michigan. When trump loses the election, he will have to pay his iou to putin for 400 million, and that is a problem. Host john, the question we have, how do we turn down the temperature in this country . Caller where are the Republican Leaders . Where is pence . . Where is trump they are not saying nothing. That is a big deal right there. Host that was john. This is good morning. Caller good morning, john. First of all, the proof is in the pudding. The woman in ohio, the man in michigan, you heard what they said just on this show. What is going to happen is election night, do you really think we are going to have a theer announced because of maryland primaries, there will be people saying that trump is starting to steal the election. There is no way to tone this down. We are headed toward a civil war. Also, do your member in the riot yorkt we have had in new and other places, that they were bricks brought in, news shown them being placed where there is no construction sites and all of a sudden, a pallet of bricks show up . Come on, the leftwing people are doing this, and we are headed toward a giant civil war. Host joe in new jersey. Phyllis, kansas city, kansas, good morning. Democrat, go ahead. Dont think the violence will ever stop now. I really dont. And the reason i say that is havese, uh, if you dont equal justice for everybody, i mean the rich come of the poor, the black, the hispanic, if you dont have it will justice for everybody, i mean, there is not ever going to be any peace, and this country, bet orw, you can always are doingthe dems by how the media, you know, talks with the people. They dont give facts, they give their opinion, which i believe is a big which i could care a big bunch of patootie about their opinions. I want facts. Host is there any media you trust . Where do you go for your news . Bbc,r well, i watch the and i watch fox, and i watch my local channel. But i get so tired of them trying to tell me what to think, how to think, and what is said. Like trumpsching they donteeches, tell you, they play little snippets, and that is just like michigan. R there in host if you want to watch those speeches in their entirety , cspan is a great place to do that. That local news, do you think the bias is happening on the local news level . We have heard complaints about the big networks, but do you think it is on the local level, too . Caller yes, i do, because, you know, you can tell the one that is leaning one way or the other. And i really dislike that very much. I really do. Because all i want to know is the facts. That is just like the debates. I want to know the facts. I want to know everything. Dont tell me what you think they are going to do. I want to know come and ask the hard questions that, you know, reporters should be asking, you know, are you going to pack the courts, you know, the Supreme Court . What are you going to do about covid19, that trump hasnt already done . You know. I mean, it is just very irritating that, you know, the on thers, you know, even debates, they dont even ask hard questions. Host phyllis and kansas this morning. One of the headlines on the itates, we talked about yesterday, because it happened yesterday during this program, the commission on president ial debates announcing yesterday that it would be a virtual debate, a town hall for my debate on october 15 in miami. The commission basing that decision on the advice of their medical advisors. The commission has not said that it would cancel the second debate, although now President Trump has said he will not participate in a virtual debate, once it to be live. The Biting Campaign at this point has scheduled its own town hall debate come after President Trump said he would not put this made the virtual debate. So the biden camp scheduling their town hall event with abc news for october 15, so we are not exactly sure where the next debate stands. Maryland, heights, and independent, good morning. Caller good morning. Good morning. First, let me say, the general public, subject to they have been subjected to social engineering to hate donald trump, since day one, since he first got in office, they have been socially engineered to hate donald trump. They did not give them a chance, you know, they have been socially engineered to hate him since day one. Now, i am not a donald trump guide. They use mind control technologies on tv to brainwash you. But all of the investigating, reporting thats why you are not getting no good news right now. Host this is amelia in riverdale, georgia. Go ahead. Good morning. Caller good morning. Ok, how are you . Host i am doing well, thank you. Caller ok. What i think the problem is is that there is so much misinformation out here, that the root of everything, the people they called the trump supporters, it is just sad to hear the things they say, misinformation. This man, since he has been in office, has done nothing but tell lies. His whole life has been a life. A lie. Beens with the people have told, these lies about him for how can you be a good businessman when all your life is about bankruptcy and debts . And then he does not care nothing about anybody, so his supporters, he despises you. He calls black people dogs and monkeys. All he does is call names. He is the one supporting the racists. He is the one fueling and putting more fuel on the fire. And i am sick and tired of hearing you guys. It is always blaming somebody else. Fox . Are you kidding me . You bully everybody. The other day on the debate, you blame wallace, you blame this person, that person, and the other day withen pence start on the debate and told a lie about the swine that is not true americans died between april 2009 and 2010. 12,000. Yes, 60 Million People got infected. So the way to fix this is that we need to start fact checking. Host that is amelia in georgia. A few more comments on social media and via our text messaging service. This is david in charleston saying, it is not White Supremacists burning our city, it is leftwing radicals, antifa. There is a grand canyon of difference. No bridge will cross us. Aere is no compromising with leftwing marxist in a constitutional republic. This one, donald trump went on a twitter rampage, blaming Gretchen Miller gretchen whitmer. They are conducting terrorist actions. A few of the comments via social media. A few more comments via phone calls in this segment of the washington journal, as usual, for three hours with you, and tilton a plug a. M. Eastern. This is george out of pittsburgh. Caller how are you doing . I think that trump shows two masters. The democracy, which is working people, and the labor, you know, and he serves plutocracy, which is the rich, you know, so democracy is our , where everybody shines the light of, and the becausethe wealthy, they are making more money, they have done everything, and they monetize labor, you know, so this shadow government has a confederate statute to it, you and, because of slavery monetizing to create cavalry, and our president is only interested in capital gains. Host that is george in pennsylvania. This is ron in new hampshire. Good morning. People talk about the second amendment, thats the last resort after Everything Else has failed and we have not come close to trying everything we could try. The problem is that peaceful means have been cut off. Since we over 50 years have amended the constitution. If you look at before the civil war host we are talking about and youre saying there no more peaceful means . Caller there are peaceful means, i would love to explain them that we could use. Host we have one minute and half. Go on. Caller first, and then the constitution, its been 50 years since we have amended the constitution. Gonee the civil war we had 75 years without amending the constitution. Its like plugging the vents on a pressure cooker. And this is important, please give me the time to explain this, if all the peaceful stuff , the next thing you go to our general strikes, a peaceful general strike. We are kind of in that situation now. A lot of people are refusing to go back to work. You could do a tax strike. People refused to pay their taxes the politicians will Pay Attention and do something. Thats ron in new hampshire. Thats our last caller in this first segment. 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Ne joins us now for a discussion on his book for the clinical forces that have changed the election in 2016. The title of that book is pitchfork populism. We talk about globalization, race, medium and the media. What you think is the most important for shaping the country now. Probably our National Identity which i care tries is a split personality. Both are deeply rooted all the way back to colonial days between rugged individualists and communal collectivist on the other. Theres a duality between the two. It plays out in so many different aspects in our life and politics. Define populism and pitchfork populism. Guest the u. S. Has a long history of populism movements. Back to these goes 1700s, and even the creation from colonies to the country as a form of populism, but this is different. I call it pitchfork population because it evokes the image like the frankenstein movies where the townsfolk are upset with grievance and resentment and they storm the castle with pitchforks and torches. Trying to vent their anger. Populism. Se its not normally populism empowers the people to be able to fulfill their aims and objectives. In this case, donald trump founded a cohort that felt behind after the economic turbulence of 2008 and 2009 and that they were not being served by democrats or republicans. He motivated them to empower him. Isthat case, what hes doing the transactional approach is how he governs according to each situation is different and he acknowledges that. Dealmaker ande a to deal with each situation as its own transaction. Contrary to what populism is. Host this cohort that donald trump found back in 2016, talk about its development and how long it has been feeling left out. Guest its researching. A research resurging. In recent years, with the economic turbulence from 08 and 09 had a lot to do with it because a lot of people were left out. The tea party was started by those resentments. And it fomented a lot of different players adding to them. And 2016 was a perfect storm. But i really believe that in 2020, its different because in 2016 there were some people who they were not moving forward. They could not achieve their aims so they would not they would do something different. A disrupter. Have seen what happens by having a disrupter in the white house. Between thisrence particular cohort, and im not talking about those who are dead set in either direction but especially the people in the middle, theres really nobody in the country who could say that they dont know who donald trump is or what he is about. In 2016 some people could, you cant now. People have a lot more information on which to make their decisions on november 3. Host Bradford Kane is our guest. We have a discussion this morning about the Political Forces that shaped the 2016 election and out and how they continue to change america. If you support trump and pence dialin at 202 7488001. If you support biden and harris dialin at 202 7488000if you are undecided dial dialin at 202 7488000and if you are undecided 202 7488000. And if youre undecided dial 202 7488002. Host are supporters really more likely to go vote for one candidate or against another . Guest theres a lot on both sides. The saliency, the degrees of energy that we are seeing first of all with regard to the donald trump support. 40 percent, polls whether you are looking at who voted for him and 2016 or current approval numbers, its important to note that does not reflect his base. His base is a subset of that. Within his base, in chapter 10 i document and theres a lot of people who agree that is between 20 and 25 , somewhere in that that segment of Donald Trumps voters are very passionate and will remain very passionate. But theres a lot of people who voted for donald trump for different reasons. Along among a lot of other groups that the other subsets of people who voted for him and still support him, there are a lot of people with misgivings, who are right now contending with this conflict between their principles and values versus they got something that they wanted, maybe they liked deregulation of a particular industry. But on the other hand, donald trump is doing things that are contrary to american democracy you have a lot of friction on that side. But as far as biden support. We saw this the day after inauguration with the womens march. Theres a lot of passion. There are a lot of people who are upset for a lot of reasons when you think of kids in cages and charlottesville. We could spend another hour going to reasons why people are upset with decisions that have been made either from the white house were different areas of the administration. Theres a lot of passion in support of joe biden and Kamala Harris. Host and this story out of michigan, this kidnapping plot against Governor Whitmer. We asked viewers whether they were concerned about Political Divisions, whether it will spur violence. A lot of those colors this brought up their concern that the media is playing a role. Abouthey are concerned violence but that the media is stoking the violence. It was brought up by callers on both sides of the political aisle. Can you talk about the role of andmedia in populism today those concerns that viewers have about it . Guest its between a rock and a hard place. When there is a president of no choice but to cover the president of the United States. When donald trump, at the first debate, refused to disavow white had the statement stand back and stand back and standby to White Supremacists, the media has to cover that. They have to explore what does this mean. That the media is trying to understand it is not that they are stoking. Nobody wants that. Thats contrary to a mac contrary to american democracy which is about voting peacefully in peaceful protest. But when the president puts Something Like that on the table , it cannot be ignored. In chapter five when i talk about the battle between media and the battle for truth and fact, i do have solutions. The book looks forward to the next year. And when it comes to the largescale media and broadcast and cable, there could be solutions. Basically giving viewers warnings. This is one example. Theres a number of solutions on one side and separate solutions for social media. But the media cannot ignore when donald trump says something that is contrary to the fabric of what is america. And you are the founder and director of bipartisan bridge. Guest thank you for mentioning that. I created that in 2006 when george w. Bush was president. I acknowledge, i have worked for democrats in the federal and state level, but the important thing that i have always believed in is a working arm in arm with my republican friends to get things done. When george w. Bush was president , i disagreed about a number of things but i still wanted to be able to work with him. So i created this initiative about how democrats, republicans, and thirdparty affiliates can Work Together and collaborate. Because i believe most issues can be done in a bipartisan way. Maybe its a 9010 or 8020 split but most things can be done in a bipartisan way. But there are some things where theres too much intensity with certain things that we disagree on. , inthis era is different 2006 with president george w. Bush i was doing all i could to be able to bring people together and Work Together. In this case, donald trump does not allow that. Even on the republican side he has put forward legislation and recommendations for legislation and then criticized his own proposals. That is not how bipartisanship much. 2017 it was health care. He said what he wanted. The republicans in control of the house and the senate put into legislation and donald trump called a mean bill. If you doing that even among republicans its hard for democrats and republicans and other people to come together. Host lots of callers calling us to talk to. Chuck is out of colorado on the line for those supporting the biden and harris ticket. Caller good morning. Thank you for cspan. But i disagree with you about the media. I think the media was on the war wagon to go to war with iraq. And les moonves said that trump is not good for america but is good for cbs. But what i called about is that 45 did not create racism or the virus, just utilized both as an ends to his means. Hitlers use racism racism touse the brutalize the jewish and lgbt people. And its been said that if you can give the white man something to look down on he will give you his money, lbj said that. Thats how southern politicians have been running that ruse for a long time. I share a lot of the sentiments expressed by the caller. Donald trump did not create racism. Thats one of the original sins of the United States going back 400 years and even in the constitution. As much as we have the constitution as the founding document, there are major problems and the 3 5 compromise was on its face immoral. And a number of other things with amendments that have dealt with that. But getting back to the point about intractable racism. W. E. B. Dubois discussed in the late 18 hundreds about the psychological ways of whiteness, which reflect what the caller saying about different workers and how they feel about things. It is so embedded in the culture that a lot of white people dont realize its there. Thats why the black lives Matter Movement was so important. Its actually making a lot of america across cohorts and sectors understand a little more about these deepseated underlined forces that play out. Florida on thein line for those supporting the trumppence ticket. Caller thank you for having me. First i want to make a comment. He said at the beginning that you showed children in cages for those children in cages and all the pictures they took were in the obama administration. I saw it on tv, i know where it came from and i was before trump even got into office. A lot of the pictures they showed. I also want to ask several questions. Ask the Biden Administration tough questions why packing the Supreme Court . They want to answer that. They want to take over. They want to do away with filibustering. They want to do away with all sorts of things. Why they havetand not been asked tough questions. We need to know the answers before we go out to vote. Guest the situation with the question about packing the courts. ThiS Administration has actually appointed 300 federal judges at Different Levels when youre talking about district courts. And we know about the Supreme Court and whats going on now. I think what the caller saying first the media does sometimes discuss these issues. With regards to the bidenharris campaign, i think its clear that we dont know how this is gonna play out in october. The way it plays out or doesnt play out will dictate the pathway forward. But thats not the. 1 way or the other but that is not the point one way or the other. As senator harris said of the other night of the debate, it important to think of the packing of the court, the Judicial Branch going on for the past four years, a lot of that is not by accident. To allowonnell refused certain judges to be confirmed during president obamas tenure. It was to create vacancies and to leave them open. And now they have been encouraging certain members of the judiciary to retire early so there would be more vacancies that they could fill. So this situation about packing is not binary. Its a complex thing. What most americans really want his balance and fairness. Right now we are not seeing that. Morse, illinois, an undecided voter, michael. Caller i am undecided. I voted for obama in 2008 and for trump in 2016. I am genuine on that. But i want you to talk about the bitterness in this country. If you look at some of these earlier phone calls like that lady from florida, you couldnt tell her anything. She is totally focused on some grievance that she has. The grievance is largely, this is what i want you to focus on, are largely economic. Since 1975 there has been this tremendous decline in the middle class. Thats all these angry white men that you are seeing. These people did not have the education, did not have the opportunity and now they are upset. And the last thing that they do is go over the guns. I dont think theres any possibility of bridging anything in this country anymore. I want you to focus on the economic aspect. Because i actually suffered during affirmativeaction, opportunities taken away given to less qualified minorities. And i never owned any slaves. Thats the thing that you have to change. Take up the want to economic and racial forces shaping the country . Guest there are growing pains in america as we are constantly evolving. As far as the economic aspect, thats part of how donald trump gained crack traction. On the book in the book i named five driving forces that propel Donald Trumps. Ecisionmaking and his actions they dont necessarily go in order. Different ones surface at different times. In the same way, that in many ways resembles the base that he energized along some of those things and who would be able to identify with certain aspects of those. There is a lot of resentment and grievance out there. The thing thats troubling is that this is outside the bounds of what america is always done and always known. Every american president up until now has operated out of principal and policy. Everybody has a favorite president and you can agree or disagree on which one you like more. But they were driven by principles and policies. In the case of donald trump he has driven not so much by personal interest as psychological need. Thats not just a tossed out statement, i document that. When you are talking about economics, how can we help individuals get on their feet . How can we help all americans achieve the American Dream in the way that they so choose. That should be our focus. Its about everybody. Its not about the president. It should be how we lift everyone, from job skills training to diversity and inclusion and opportunity to Access Capital to start a business. And loan guarantees. Theres a long list and different kinds of partnerships, things that we can do for people like the gentleman who called in that we should be focused on, and what we have seen during covid is the incredible dislocations and all the jobs that have been lost, the business is closed. Speaker pelosi developed the most recent bill, three months ago four months ago and Mitch Mcconnell did not want to bring it to the floor. Something might happen over the next few days, we dont know. But that she brought it to the floor and it passed the house four months ago is the kind of legislation that was aiming to help people like the gentleman who called in. You mentioned Speaker Pelosi and legislation. This bill which is being rolled out today is getting a lot of attention. I wonder what you think it might say about these times. Nancy pelosi and jamie raskin haves has created a bill on president ial capacity with an eye towards the 25th amendment to replace President Trump. We will find out about that when it gets rolled out with plenty of stories focusing on nancy. Elosi teasing that yesterday the Washington Times story noted that the legislation will not go anywhere because it has to pass the senate and be signed by President Trump. And your thoughts that thats a piece of legislation thats out . Guest something i have wrote about in the book, what ive seen more and more since 2020 and am more concerned about is that as donald trump is seeing the evidence of people not appreciating his divisiveness and pursuing his selfinterest, he tries to shake things up more. Where hertain tactics tries to distract people to another issue, and creates another division. The more that he flails, the the fabric of the Democratic Institutions are degenerated. One of the tragic things that we saw, after the tragic killing of george floyd was in lafayette park, in washington, d. C. When donald trump called out the break up a peaceful protest using teargas and pushing people, we saw a lot of the video. And certain military people were with him yesterday when word were with him with were with him the next day at a Church Photo Op and the church repudiated him. There was a Silver Lining to that. It made people realize this could happen. Hes trying to do this. He wants people to come along with him as he destroys american norms. The military heard from retired generals and admirals and a lot of people they respect saying you cannot do this. Fastforward to the bill you brought up today. Of donald trump, after november 3, tries to do certain things invokingoking the insurrection act or other things like that. This bill is sending a message. The reminding the cabinet, Vice President , that if donald trump continues to act erratically and in ways that are contrary to american fundamentals, its up to them to take action. Because of what we saw before, i think a lot of people have realized they had to take the responsibility. If he starts doing things that and this ishe pale, all exacerbated by treatment for covid. And now that he has tested positive and we are trying to find out the details about when that first began. But with the cocktail pharmaceuticals he has been taking, that too plays on your mental state. If you pricked combine his previous orientation with the in gestation of everything is taking now it could create problems. Which is why Speaker Pelosi adroitly put forward this in anticipation that people in the administration take responsibility. Host you mentioned the president covid diagnosis. There was a release from the since returning home, his physical exam has remained stable and devoid of any indications of suggested progressions of illness, overall, he responded well to treatment. Without evidence of adverse therapeutic effects. 10 days and since thursdays diagnosis and based on the trajectory of advanced diagnostics, i fully anticipate that the president is safe to return to Public Engagement at that time. Thats from the president s physicians. Guest and of course, we dont know if thats true. In the middle july the Washington Post fact checked her factcheck fact checker show that donald trump like 20,000 times in his presidency. Theres no reason to have trust in a Statement Like that. Has donald trump or his prep Team Released information about when he most recently tested negative or when he first tested positive . No. Hes being very evasive about whether he is being tested. But when you take the 10 day issue, would anybody feel comfortable getting in front of donald trump 10 days after he was rushed by medevac to walter reed . I cant imagine anybody would feel comfortable with that. After twoays consecutive tests that are negative is a different story but thats not what they said. Theres a trusted there for something is there trust their for Something Like that . I dont think so. Host we have 15 minutes left his dr. Bradford kane and new book, pitchfork populism three this is lucille, out of l. A. , for those on the biden harris ticket line. Something to is the hand that rocks the cradle. Divisive, and i dont know why, but i request that you show that picture of him embracing his mother and father as they are dressed in klan robes and the article from the Washington Post that describes how Donald Trumps father, frederick trump, was involved in a ku klux klan parade on memorial day in 1927. That americans would elect a person that was brought up this way and then expect peace . Its a charade and we all know it. Dont be complicit, put it on the line. Thank you. I agree with the sentiment expressed. Donald trump has a long history of racist behavior, including when he has a landlord, the way onhad people write the c certain rental applications prewhat he did in new york on rental applications and what he did in new york. Theres charlottesville, the whole country comment, and on and on. Its extremely well documented. Making America Great again, hes talking about going back to the 1950s when White Privilege ran unchecked and africanamericans and latino americans and native americans and Asian Americans were kept in the background. They were not in the media or on television. Donald trump grew up in that era. He wants to return to that europe of White Privilege to that era of White Privilege when those advantages were put forward. In america, in 2042, we will have parity between white and nonwhite. Its a different country. And the idea of going backward doesnt make sense. Its important for all americans, especially White Americans, to remember Martin Luther king. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. If some people are being mistreated, we are all being treated all being mistreated. Host some colors point to comments that President Trump made condemning white supremacist groups. This is the president on hannity last week. [video clip] kkk, i can demo White Supremacists, i condemn the proud boys. I dont know much about the proud boys, almost nothing, but i condemn that. But he should condemn antifa, thats a horrible group of people, they kill people. What they do to people, causing insurrection and riots, he does not want to do that but the press does not go after him and thats a bad group people. 100 times itit wont be enough because a fake news. There isat right donald trump trying to clean up his spontaneous comment. When he is speaking offthecuff , thats when he makes the comments that are racist. When his staff, purposely points out, you cant do that you just hurt yourself politically he goes out and tries to make a comment like that. Look at the evidence. When he speaking on his own you hear racist comments, as opposed to when hes being coached. And when they first came into office in 2017 there was something called the countering Violent Extremism Task force, focused on domestic terrorism, particularly white supremacist terrorism, they canceled. The Trump Administration canceled it. In 2019 they created a little unit that they never funded. If you look at what Jeff Sessions did as attorney general, there were a number of things as they been dismantling affirmative action, the department of education has been doing that and things that are contrary that our contrary to the interest of africanamericans and other minority groups. The evidence is clear by the actions. That he can make some kind of a Statement Like that when the political stakes are high, maybe he was reading off of the teleprompter. Its also important to mention, antifa means antifascist. Antifascist. This is dave, in davidson, michigan, on the line for those who support President Trump and Vice President pence. Caller hello, my name is dave. Caller who early said that he was a victim of affirmative action. I am also a victim of affirmative action. As far as trump goes, hes a nationalist, not a populist. And for burning the cities, its a group a group called black lives matter. Not White Supremacists. Thats what i think of that. Host lets let him pick up those points. First, as far as donald trump in a nationalist. The important part here, when he talks about america first, thats just a slogan and its a borrowed slogan we heard that in 1940 bymckinley and wendell wilkie. The question is what does it mean . If hes using a slogan and tries to backfill it with something to his advantage the world today is different from then. We are interrelated and interdependent. There are alliances. By saying america first, they extracted the United States out of everything. It was not a question of oldstyle jingoism, go america, not like at the olympics where we shout usa. But when its a question of trying to make it seem like the rest of the world doesnt matter , like were going to erect a wall, not just a physical wall on the southern border, but a virtual wall around us, that itairs us even more than impairs them. And the comment about black lives matter. Its important for white people itsderstand, once again, not something that began in 2020 or 2016 or earlier like with ferguson. This is something that has been going on for hundreds of years. It is now surfacing. A lot of White America does not seem to recognize that there is fundamental White Privilege. A lot of white people do not have to have the talk with their children about when their children encounter Police Officers. Black families do. White families dont. They dont realize what the fully american experiences. If we can all appreciate each others lived experience and create a little more fairness and equity in the United States, thats how we are going to be able to come together. Host mike, in rockford, illinois, undecided voter. Im sorry i didnt hit that button. Question. Twopart one is murky, and the reason is a couple of problems im thinking. The problem is that the Government Funds the newspaper. I think thea lege admissions can was 750 people have not been charged. And the way to fix this is to get the government out of the news, get the cia out of our borders host what you mean the government in the news . We give billions of dollars to news organizations if you follow cspan organizations. That something you have ever heard of bradford came . Bradford kane . Guest while we have voice of america where we are trying to vieworth a more reasoned on things, and that has been politicized by the Trump Administration, but one thing is that everybody has a voice now. But there are different types of Media Outlets with different orientations is ultimately a positive thing, instead of having only one option. Host do you want to touch on conspiracy theories and the rise of conspiracy theories . Are there more about government control today or is this typical . Guest conspiracy theories are the opiate of the disenchanted. When people are upset or frustrated and they want to offload responsibility, sometimes they turn to the unknown. Unfortunately, and donald trump puts forth his political rise was fervor risen him against president obama. That was completely unfounded conspiracy theory. Donald trump has a history of that. , hething about what he does does not even respect is based. For the people out there who think donald trump is my guy, he does not respect you. Not only 20,000 lives, let me ask you this, if you had a neighbor, abbas, a spouse, Family Member who told you lives lives every day, would you appreciate that . No. We heard from olivia troye on the Coronavirus Task force and when donald trump was told he did not have to shake hands with people because of the coronavirus he said good, he referred to them as disgusting people. I dont have to shake hands with these disgusting people. And the most important thing that reveals how he feels about his face, which lends to the conspiracy theories on why he uses them, february of 2016 when hewon the nevada primary made his congratulatory speech, he said he had love for evangelicals and the poorly educated. He even said it twice. I love the poorly educated. Hes trying to many delight of the malleable. In my opinion thats horrendous to have a president who does that. And conspiracy theories are exactly the kind of leverage he used when that is the objective. Host robert is on the line for those supporting the bidenharris to get. Caller thank you for taking my call. President , he the issue is that we have a with there were bounties on american troops and he said nothing. He called the military people losers. He is unraveling our country and we have to put a stop to this for our own safety. For the most ironic thing, union people call about being victimized because of affirmative action. There were 400 years of slavery. Andle built this country they were called 3 5 of a person. This is the unraveling of a Great Company great country, how could people support a guy who doesnt respect anybody . Guest there are a number of points that i applauded the caller. Whether onelitary, is part of the military or not, my father was a world war ii veteran and active combat. John mccain was a hero. For donald trump to make the comments that he makes about john mccain who had the opportunity to go home when he was a prisoner but refused to because he was gonna stick it out with the rest of his crew things like that. Conversationsad where he has documented that donald trump referred to people in the military or veterans as losers and suckers. And the former chief of staff, when they were at said what was in it for them . As though that were the objective. Thats not the objective, this is about country. Into onesit ties responsibility as a patriot and to vote on or prior to november 3. Its not about to my cry republican. Its about country and patriotism. When donald trump as we learn from the New York Times does not pay federal taxes but does want every federal benefit that he and in 2017 when he did decide that 750 each year, that cannot be a calculation. If anybody is calculating based on millions of dollars you are not connected come up with 750 like this that you are not going to come up with 750 like this. So during the Coronavirus Task force he said with regards to coronavirus, i dont take any responsibility at all. That is the ethic coming from him. He doesnt want the responsibility. Only the benefits. In the meantime the military, not only the military, teachers, persons, everybody in our hospital crew as treating covid, people are serving americans every day. We have to come together as a country, its about patriotism and voting regardless of party. Host one last call, claude has been waiting for a while out of illinois on the line for those who support the trumppenns tickets. Caller yes. Early on showed his true colors when he said the media is between a rock and a hard place. Cnn youatch msnbc or will see 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for the last four thing not saying one good that shows me where you are at. ,f you feel sorry for the media you better think again and listen to whats really going on. Comment appreciate that. By the way, personally, i watch both of those and fox. I watch Different Things at different times. I also appreciate the way that a lot of these major cable programs often have a democrat and republican, or somebody who is trump affiliated with somebody who is not. Theres a lot of these live discussions and those are helpful. What i was saying before about between a rock and a hard place is simply the points that when the president says something it matters. You can just avoid it or ignore it. Host Bradford Kane is the author of the book pitchfork populism, the clinical forces that shaped an election and continue to change america. Guest i appreciate it. Host we will be joined by bob barr, a former republican congressman, the president and ceo of the Law Enforcement Education Foundation. We will talk about campaign 2020. We will be back. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2020] tv on cspan two has talked nonfiction books and authors every weekend. Saturday at 9 15, donald trump, jr. On his book, liberal privilege. And then in her book on the virginia dynasty, lynn cheney chronicles the leadership of the first five president s from virginia. George washington, thomas jefferson, james madison, and james monroe. Afterwards, john brennan speaks about his life and career in his book, undaunted. My fight against americas enemies at home and abroad. He is interviewed by julian barnes. Watch book tv this weekend on cspan two. Sunday night on qi day, on cue and day q a talks about her book cast, the origins of our discontent. I am holding up an xray of our country, so we can see with underneath the divisions, whats underneath racism with this infrastructure of division that concept. Race as a its a fairly new one in human history, dating back only 400 or 500 years. Her book,kerson and , the the origin caste origin of our discontent. Washington journal continues. Host former Georgia Republican bob barr is with us now, he is currently the ceo of the Law Enforcement Education Foundation. The question we asked our viewers today for the first hour was are they concerned the Political Division in this violenceill spur before action or after the election, how would you answer that . Guest its a question we should never have to ask, but the state is such that it is relevant. We have seen over the past six months or so significant violence erupting across it is coasttocoast and then the heartland. The question is how much of the violence is related to the political environment and whether it will continue after the election. None of us really have an answer to that. But i worry a great deal that if President Trump is elected, those who are opposed to him, which seems to be many of those engaged in violent acts, will continue their violence. Say, anddifficult to its unfortunate to say that we are in a situation where the question has to be asked. Guest host what does it say by the state of the country when a september poll, which politico cited from you guys found that that 41 said there would be at least a little justification for violence if the other partys nominee wins the election. Guest it is something that i think back to, when i was in college back in the late 1960s, and we had significant violence across america. We had many bombings, which thankfully we have not seen these days. But the difference is, with the today fromthe today as opposed to the late 1960s, there are Public Officials at the state, local and federal level that seem to to they turn a blind eye violence thats occurring, but explicitly discounted and thereby encourage it. Thats the significant difference from the late 1960s, when you had rampant violence in many cities. And you had consistent and very uniformed pushback by Public Officials against that. The fact that nowadays we have Public Officials who not only will not condemn the violence, but in some instances seem to encourage it. That makes a very dangerous situation. Host which Public Officials would you point to as perpetrators of that . Guest you have the mayor in chicago, her response to the chicago is to condemn President Trump as if he is out there in the streets looting and burning cars and attacking police. And she calls for more gun control, which is irrelevant. Particularly in chicago which has some of the strictest gun control in the country. Gun control has nothing to do with the violence and the looting and the burning and the attacks on police and the constant high murder rates in chicago. Yet the mayor of chicago does not seem willing or able to address that. Host you are part of a group of about 60 Republican National Security Leaders who have endorsed President Trump in 2020. Does President Trump need to do anything to lower the temperature . Guest it is always good for president to say things that lower the temperature. Im a little concerned about that not happening consistently. But at the same time i think its important for the president , as he has done, to be out there supporting Law Enforcement and talking about law and order as an important component of national leadership. Host do you think the law order message is getting through in a time when there are so many major issues competing for the issue of campaign 2020 . Guest its an interesting question. At the end of the day in any election, at some level, people and voters are certainly concerned about violence. As president nixon said, back in 1968, when we were seeing a great deal of violence sweep across america, he said the most fundamental, or one of the most fundamental Civil Liberties that american citizens should be able to enjoy is to be free from domestic violence. I think this year is going to play a higher degree of relevance in the campaigning than it normally would. But it is certainly not the only issue. Theissue of the economy, issue of the health of the american public, but law and order is certainly going to play a role in the election, particularly as you have seen in recent months with a surge in street violence. Bob barr, our guest, he served eight years in congress as a republican from georgia, currently the president and ceo of the Law Enforcement Education Foundation. If you support the trumppenns ticket, call in at 202 7488001. If you support the bidenharris ticket, support call in at 202 7488000. As folks continue to call in, what is the Law Enforcement Education Foundation, what do you do . Laweef issues mediaes and pull together stories which are important for Law Enforcement, and are important for americans to know about Law Enforcement. We also provide some small grants to Law Enforcement department across the country, for example of the Department Needs some additional protective vests, but does not have the funds through their local government to obtain them, we are able to help out. Important,is most law and order what is most important law and order story we should know about this week . Inability continuing of Many National or unwillingness of Many National democrats to firmly support their police. And Law Enforcement. And i think it was senator harris who spoke recently about reimagining the police. Nonsensicalort of stuff that doesnt move us anywhere. And even in the recent debates, both the Vice President ial debate and the president ial debate between President Trump and former Vice President biden. There seems to be a tremendous hesitancy on the part of democrats to come out and say the reason that we have had this in recent years, decreases in Violent Crime against america is because we have strong Law Enforcement. And we have support for Law Enforcement by our governments at all levels. If you take away that support and you leave Law Enforcement without having their backs covered by local and state and federal government, you are going to see those statistics over the last few years. You will see the drop in violence crime in Violent Crime. Plenty of callers already, terry is in california on the line supporting the biden and harris ticket. Caller three questions. I am constantly hearing that the reimagining of the police force. S a hit against the Police Currently we have put more on police than they should handle. They shouldnt be handling the homeless. They should not be handling the mentally ill. Theyre not trained for it. We start seeing the abundance of violence, and unfortunately deaths because you have Police Officers that should not be people. N mentally ill they only have 10 days or even 10 hours to learn about it. You need to have people there that are familiar. The second letsthat is a big topic, have bob barr come in. Guest the collar makes a good point. On the one hand we are demanding more of Law Enforcement, but we are not giving Law Enforcement the tools to handle or deal with those issues. Your caller points out of an important issue. You have mentally ill people on the streets, particularly in these major cities. Yet when police try and deal with it, they are not trained comprehensively to do it as your caller points out. But when they try to deal with then theres a problem, sometimes as we saw during the obamaBiden Administration the federal government will come in and criticize them for not being able to deal with mentally ill and will then bring court action against them. Which then further limits how the police can operate. So its a good point that your caller makes. Florida. Is out of on the trumppenns ticket. Go ahead. Caller you asked in the first segment how to stop the violence , one thing you could do is never having someone on like your first guest, who is just provided a lot of divisiveness and hatred and did a number of lies. The second thing, i think the current Democratic Party is probably the largest divisive hate group in the u. S. So what i would like for mr. Barr is why dont democrats condemn antifa . And what can the Democratic Party do to stop the violence and hatred . Antifa is very much in the news these days. Theres an argument over whether antifa exists or means anything whether its organized or highly organized or poorly organized. But the fact of the matter is, it does exist. Its out there. We have seen its advocates throwing trash cans full of fire , looting buildings and so forth. Theyre helping to organize these Peaceful Demonstrations which then turned into riots with looting and burning. And yet for some reason on the caller poses a good question. It would seem to me to be a nobrainer for Vice President biden and senator Kamala Harris and other democrat leaders at the National Level in particular to say we condemn antifa. We might not know everything about it, we might not know how its organized, but we see it, we see what its doing, and we condemn it. It would go a long way towards differencebridge the , the gulf between democrat and republican tickets online order. If the democrats would simply say we condemn antifa, which is the sort of thing they are demanding over and over as don that he condemn White Supremacy violence. Which he has. Host we spent a lot of time talking about Political Divisions in this country. Question, do you see a new American Civil War looming . Guest no, i dont. I would hate to have to answer that question. I doi see a great deal of divis, but that is nothing new. We have seen this building for several election cycles now. End ofultimately, at the the day, tremendous faith in the American People that they will not down that route. Example,aw, for yesterday in michigan, the fbi and i think it was the state Attorney Generals Office in michigan, take action against a small group of men who apparently were plotting against both the police and against the governor of michigan. Uncovered, and those people now will face our justice system. So, yes. While there certainly are elements of Fringe Groups on all sides of the political spectrum, i dont see that taking hold as a Broad Movement that would result in a civil war. Florida,ksonville, frank, undecided. Caller thank you for taking my call. Good morning, mr. Barr. There are some things that you said that i am kind of baffled at. Why the violence. I am originally from birmingham, alabama. Forace that is known violence. Hearing bombs every day and communities. I want to know, is there some situations with the education of the department of police what training do you suggest the police get to make them more sensible to all elements of protecting the citizens . Makes again, your caller a good point and focusing on police training. This is an area where both in a lawd my position enforcement Education Foundation and a number of experts, i dont include myself as an expert, but have identified one of the problems in modern Law Enforcement as the lack of good comprehensive training for Law Enforcement officers. Part of the reason we are seeing a decrease in proper training for Law Enforcement officers is a result of budget cuts. A local Police Department faces a budget cut, one of the first, if not the first, place they cut his training. Is that is unfortunate. Not only are we getting Police Officers that dont really understand how to use the power they have, such as we saw in minneapolis with george floyd earlier this year, but they arent receiving the type of training necessary to make them forize how important it is them to understand the community in which they are operating. That is very important. It is important for both the public to understand the job and the problems Police Officers are facing, but equally important for the police to understand and be compassionate with the community in which they are serving. Its a very good point, and i would like to see more training and better quality training acrosstheboard for the police in this country. Congressmembers of the and president came to bob barr today and said we want good, comprehensive police training, what would you say it would cost and who would lead that training . Who is guest guest doing it right . There are at the department of justice a number of programs, grants, that go to Police Departments, but they are insufficient. One of the things i would urge would be for congress, the house and senate, to come together and better fund the Current Police Grant Programs through the bureau of justice assistance, for example, but also to increase the scope of that training. Unfortunately, the environment in the congress right now, in the house and senate, is so divisive that even on Something Like increasing police training, both the funding and scope of police training, it doesnt seem they could get together. That would be one area that i think would be very productive. I also think that in the prior administration, the Biden Administration, there was almost an adversarial relationship between the department of justice a local Police Departments that didnt help at all. We need a better working relationship between the federal government and local police that is not antagonistic or adversarial. Windermere, florida, endorses the biden harris take it. Caller i was wondering what you thought about the fbi director being criticized by President Trump right now for not going after antifa, and he said it was not as big a problem as the white Militia Groups. He could get fired if trump says i dont like what you are doing, i will fire you. Should the president the april 2 . Ire the fbi director bet he supposed to independent from the president . Guest the director of the fbi has a degree of independence that is broader than a lot of officials in the executive ranch. It doesnt completely insulate him, nor should it. The director of the fbi serves at the pleasure of the president , and there should be a good working relationship in terms of the priorities between headead of the guy and of the fbi, the president , and the attorney general. If you dont have that, that could have problems that were to the local level if you dont have a good working relationship between the president , the attorney general, and the director of the fbi. In recent years have been pretty good about not exercising their power to relieve the head of the fbi simply over policy disputes. If the president is going to remove the director of the guy he must have a good the director of the fbi he must have a good reason for it, and that must be explained to congress. In regard to chris wrays comments in regards to dangers posed by different groups, violent white supremacist groups have always demanded, and it should continue to demand, a high priority by the fbi, as should movements like antifa. I dont think the director of the fbi is saying antifa is not a problem, i think what he is saying is its more difficult to the with that because of disorganized structure of antifa. And itainly is a problem, would be concerned if the director of the fbi said it wasnt a problem at all, but i dont think thats what he was saying. At least i hope not. Out bloombergy reads fbi director chris wray has no intention to design as President Trump and his supporters step up demands for the release of Sensitive Files they say will show spying on campaign. 16 he doesnt plan to step down at this time according to an fbi official who spoke to bloomberg on the condition of anonymity, though trump could fire him at any time for any reason as he did with his predecessor, james comey. Ticket. The trumppence caller it is good to see mr. Barr on cspan. Cspan is a microcosm of how the media treats conservatives and is indicative and illustrated by who spouted lie after lie and you didnt ask any followups. Mr. Barr talked about how the allowingsupporting and these violent protests and you asked him for proof. He talked about chinatown, chicago chitown, chicago, but what about the summer of love . Cspan, to me the biggest Law Enforcement issue right now is the premier Law Enforcement and intelligence agencies that conspired with the Hillary Clinton campaign to unseat a duly elected president. When is cspan going to do that story some justice . Host willie, appreciate the feedback. We are doing something right if we have a guest you agree with and a guest that you dont agree with. We try to find balance and let people call in and ask their own questions, but we appreciate the feedback will stop and you want to weigh in . We can go to the next caller. Guest i would like to go back to what the caller said in regard to the mayor in seattle with her summer of love pronouncement, which was pretty ridiculous to say the least, and very unsupportive of the Law Enforcement in her own city. Then we have mayor wheeler in who through his tepid reaction to the violence in seeing weeknd up after week after week of incessant violence. Some of these mayors, in addition to the one i mentioned in chicago, have really not only done nothing to stop the violence, but through their ridiculous policies encouraged it. That is unfortunate. I appreciate your caller pointing that out. Host morgantown, west virginia, undecided. Caller mr. Barr, i had a question for you in the scenario where you and your foundation do think lethal force was not appropriate in a shooting, in a killing. How would you counsel that Police Department in that kind of scenario . Guest training Police Officers , and inse of force particular the use of deadly force, is the most important aspect of police training. It is also the most difficult for outsiders, such as juries coming to deal with. Whether or not a jury believes that if they were in that situation they would react the same as the Police Officer is not really the appropriate respective appropriate perspective. Its difficult, because you have to give the Police Officers sufficient flexibility so if they reasonably believe the circumstances they are facing place them or another person in the immediate vicinity in fear of severe bodily harm or death, that allows them to use deadly force in return. But, of course, there are many situations where this becomes a very complex afterthefact analysis. It is very important and train police and set a proper standard for the police. I know there was a bill earlier this year that was introduced i think by the democrats in the house that purported to banned chokeholds. The language purported to ban chokehold. The language was so broad it would not allow any way for Police Officer to detain a violent suspect. Anything they did might impede the persons breathing, even momentarily. It is very difficult to set very specific standards. What is most important is to make sure that your Police Officers understand the basic role of an officer and that they can use force, particularly truly force, only if they and reasonably believe in the circumstances that they face serious bodily harm or death, and it has to be from their perspective. Not from an outsiders afterthefact perspective. Proposedaking of bills that could alter police actions, qualified immunity and what you think about qualified immunity Reform Efforts . Dinner really speaking, this is something that we inherited centuries ago from british common law. That is there is sovereign immunity, immunity that applies to the sovereign. In the british system it was the crown, and the crown was immune. O actions by the citizenry you could bring suit against the crown. In the United States, we took but not exactly the same, there is, for example, in my state of georgia immunity that state officials have that immunizes them or protects them against being sued unless by statute the state has agreed to be sued. That i think is unqualified immunity that goes too far. With police, its important to police that if you say are going to be reliable for anything and everything they do, youre not going to have police. No one is going to want to serve if they are secondguessed and liable for every mistake they make. On the same token, if police go beyond what they are supposed to use unreasonable force, force that is not called for, particularly deadly force, they should be held to account. They should not have blanket immunity. We saw this in the Breonna Taylor case in tennessee recently sorry, kentucky, louisville in which the police executed a warrant. There is dispute over whether or not they announced themselves or didnt. They say they did. Breonna taylors boyfriend said he didnt hear that. Thats a fact issue, but case raised a specific question over whether or not since the police used deadly violence and Breonna Taylor unfortunately was killed as a result whether they should be liable. The grand jury like that all of the facts and circumstances and said unfortunately there was not liability because the police when they broke into the apartment pursuant to the warrant her boyfriend shot at permitted towere use deadly force in return. These questions revolve around sometimes complex fact issues evidentiary airy as well as the standard for the police. You have to look at the police at the time, not afterthefact from an outside observer. Left witho 15 minutes bob barr, former republican congressman serving from 19952000 three, current president and ceo of the Law Enforcement Education Foundation. And talknt to call in to him you can do so, as john did out of tamp, florida tampa, florida. Caller i believe you are part of the reason there is this problem of violence. You started off the show by pointing out violence without reference to the reasons that people riot. You also mention that police need more training. What kind of training to someone need to know not to kneel on someones neck for 9. 5 minutes and suffocate them . Supremacist was captured after killing nine people and given a hamburger. That means that the police know what to do, they just choose to do what they want to do in certain cases. You mentioned about immunity that the decision should be made about what the police determined. Who is going to determine that but the police themselves . Thate police determines one needs a hamburger but to kneel on the other persons neck, how will we ever have justice in this country . Guest im not sure what a hamburger has to do with the george floyd case, but the caller points out appropriately that in the george floyd case two issues have come up. One is the fact that the Police Officer, by every account and looking at the video of that, acted improperly in maintaining the pressure of his knee on George Floyds neck for such a long time. That seems very clear. We dont know everything that happened before that, but from that point on, from the point that the Police Officer put his knee on George Floyds neck and exerted force, that went on for far too long. Secondly, and this is important anyway, that shows lack of proper training on the Police Officer. If the caller is criticizing that, the caller is justified in criticizing the apparent lack of proper training on the police to uses part or failure the training he might have received. Those Police Officers, including the one who exerted the pressure on George Floyds neck and killed him, that Police Officer and the others who were there are being prosecuted. They were indicted, they are being prosecuted, and apparently they should be. The fact that they might have thought one thing doesnt really play a role here. They were indicted and will be held to account. By all accounts our system is working very well in that instance in terms of accountability. Host you think they would have been indicted and held to account if not for the video, the public that went viral and made this such a moment that the whole country focused on . Guest the fact that it went viral and caused riots is irrelevant. I have great faith in the grand jury system, whether it is in minneapolis or my hometown of atlanta. I presume the grand jury was presented the evidence to that case, including at least some of the footage of the video of the officers bodycam and made its decision based on that. This happened very quickly before the wave of violence swept the country. Texas on out of tyler, the line for those who support the trumppentz ticket. Caller as far as Law Enforcement education it seems we are in the quagmire of the president and until we get back to the education of our founding , the first sentence in entire u. S. Code, the laws of nature and the laws of nature guide. Until we understand what that means, the laws of natures guide is the bible. And the document written to protect those laws, the constitution. It seems we have avoided our education on the reason for our founding, and until we get back to a moral, virtuous, religious country, there is no amount of laws that will save our current situation. I would like some comments on the first sentence of u. S. Law. Guest our Founding Fathers were by every measure i believe brilliant men. Not simply because they were intelligent, but because also they understood the sweep of history, as i believe Mark Halperin wrote in an editorial many years ago. These are men who studied history, who understood the rise and fall of civilizations, and understood that one of the important elements of a free society, of a Representative Democracy in our case, is a well educated population, citizenry. That means having a citizenry who understands not only the laws of the day, but the foundation of our laws and the importance of understanding that to rememberwe need we are a moral society based on fundamental human moral principles. That needs to be a part of not only our education system, but the education of police. He goes back to one of the earlier callers talking about the need for police to be trained consciously in the populace of their community and values of the community. Understanding the moral component of our government, nationally and locally, is extremely important. Host i did want to pick your brain about each state peach state politics. Georgia now falling into according to the cook political report, the tossup category when it comes to the president ial race. I wonder what you think President Trump needs to do to ensure that georgia stays in his column . Guest georgia is changing somewhat. We see this over the case of history. States go from blue to red to purple. It doesnt surprise me. There have been a lot of people who have moved into georgia and that has a tendency to change the political complexion. We are seeing that in texas as well where a lot of people from california are moving in. President trump what he needs to do in georgia, everywhere, particularly in battleground states, is to remind voters of what he has accomplished from a positive standpoint during the nearly four years he has been in office. Not to deal with petty issues, but talk about the accomplishments. In Law Enforcement, for example, the need for Law Enforcement support come the economic front, and the international arena. The president and republicans typically dont do as good of a job as the democrats do putting before the voters those things they have done well and consistently remind the voters of that. President trump means to do that otherrgia, as well as in states who are perhaps closer than they should be for the republicans. Host what are the petty issues . Guest in the debates we seen bidenslking about joe son. Hunter biden is an issue, but that has been dealt with hopefully by the Justice Department and u. S. Attorney durham. Criticizing by then for bernie Biden Sanders or something. Stick with the big issues, the big issues for the American People. That is the safety of their person, the safety of their job, and the safety of their health. I would like to see the Trump Administration talk about its positive record as it has in those areas. Host this is betty from wheeling, illinois who supports the bidenharris ticket. Caller thank you for taking my call. My biggest thing is the coverups that the Police Departments do. We dont hear about these things, like Breonna Taylor. The only reason we saw George Floyds because it was filmed and went viral. The coverups, sometimes it is months or years before we find out. That is my biggest problem with the Police Department. It is systemic and that. Thank you systemic in that. Thank you. Guest as always, your caller makes a good point. When there is a problem with a Police Officer, a shooting for example, it is important for the that the know authorities, the police chief and other authorities in the Police Department, take that seriously and are conduct a true, legitimate investigation, as opposed to just rallying and circling the wagons around the officers saying we support them no matter what. That doesnt generate confidence in the police and is not the way that Police Leadership should operate. They should not be too quick to condemn a Police Officer after a shooting, nor be too quick to jump to the Police Officers defense. Having a transparent process that is fair to the Police Officer and fair to the public, so that they see there is a legitimate inquiry taking place, is very important. Too often we dont see that. Host simi valley, california on the line for those who support President Trump and Vice President pence. Caller my father was lapd during the ross riots. I just find that the reporting on this is very irresponsible for everybody to jump to conclusions with regard to george floyd. After my father passed away in the 90s, i ended up with addiction issues. I have a lot of information and experience with the police. I got in trouble. Im clean now, but the bottom out is if everyone puts video together and waited to jump to conclusions, like they have, you would see that the bottomline is george floyd was saying he could not breathe in the backseat of the car. He insisted on getting out. There is a video that has not been circulated. He insisted on getting out of the car because he couldnt breathe. He was acting very erratic before he got out of the car. I found his autopsy report. He has over three times a lethal dose of fentanyl, the same fentanyl that has been killing people all over america. Host i will give you the final minute and a half or so that we have this morning. Guest it is very important to look at the entirety of an incident like we saw with george floyd. If in fact we conclude that simply based on the shouts of the Police Officer with his knee on George Floyds neck and we say that that is the beginning and end of the matter, we are doing a disservice to the country and community, to the police and george floyd. We need to look at the whole thing. Your caller is very correct. Quite a bit of time after the initial camera shot of the Police Officer with his knee on George Floyds neck came out, there was additional bodycam footage of when george floyd was in the car complaining about not being able to breathe, he couldnt breathe. Apparently the reason he couldnt breathe was because of drugs he was under, drugs he had taking. The autopsy report indicates he had excessively high levels of various controlled illegal substances in his body that probably contributed to his death. To what extent those drugs did, to what extent the police arecers action did, those issues that should come out in a comprehensive, transparent public trial. Your caller is correct. It is far easier to jump to a conclusion based on one snippet of a film as opposed to looking at the entire picture of what led up to it and what happened afterwards. Barr isngressman bob the current president and ceo of the Law Enforcement Education Foundation. Appreciate your time. Left onut 30 minutes our program this morning, and we are asking about your top Campaign Issue in campaign 2020. The phone lines are split up as usual. Those who support President Trump and Vice President pence, 202 7488001. If you support the bidenharris ticket, 202 7488000. If you are undecided or support others, 202 7488002. You can call in now and we will be right back. American history tv on cspan3, exploring the people and events that tell the american story every weekend. This weekend, sunday morning at 8 30 eastern, American History is looking back to the 1950 two first televised president ial d with the author of daisy petals and mushroom yours. We will take facebook comments, phone calls, and tweets. A look at to an cemeterys memorabilia. And on the presidency come the life and legacy of theodore roosevelt, exploring the american story. Watch American History tv this weekend on cspan3. Washington journal continues. Host about 30 minutes left. Phone line split up by who you are supporting. As you are calling into take you through some of the stories we have been tracking. The lead story in the wall street journal is on the stimulus talks when it comes to coronavirus relief, saying that they are on again, but the deal is elusive. Some news on that front after a 30 this morning, this is jake sherman of politico reporting that the white house is completely set on striking a covid stimulus deal with Speaker Pelosi. They expect to be working all week next week on getting a deal. No guarantee that it could go anywhere in the senate, but trump wants it badly. More on politicos playbook if you want to check out that. In the first hour of our program today, the story out of michigan, 13 militia members arrested in a plot to kidnap and kill the governor. 13 members of the wolverine watch planned to kidnap and kill thatgan governor witmer, plot foiled by federal authorities. , this fromhing today the Washington Times, how Speaker Pelosi and the maryland congressman are are going to announce a bill today that would eye the 25th amendment to replace President Trump, noting that the legislation wouldnt go anywhere as they would have to pass the Republicancontrolled Senate and be passed by President Trump. Mr. Raskin is a democrat from maryland and the 2017 bill who proposed a similar piece of legislation, which would have created a Bipartisan Task force to carry out a medical examination of the president at congress request. Nancy pelosi suggested President Trumps calling off of funding was affected by his positive diagnosis and medications he had been taking. When it comes to the president s health, a release from the white house yesterday on the president s health, kayleigh releasesending out a from the president s doctor about the state of the president s health. Dr. Conley writing in that release, since returning home the president s physical exam has remained stable and devoid of indications to suggest a progression of illness. Overall, he has responded well to treatment without examination of adverse effects. Tomorrow will be day tencent last thursdays diagnosis. Day 10 tomorrow will be since last thursdays diagnosis. The president schedule will look today what is officially announced on the schedule tomorrow. About 30 minutes left on our program today and we are asking for your top Campaign Issue in campaign 2020. 202 7488001 for those who support the trumppence ticket. 202 7488000 if you support the bidenharris ticket. If you are undecided or support someone else, 202 7488002. Florida, the line that supports the bidenharris ticket. Caller thank you for cspan. I wanted to put in a plug for this upcoming sunday that has to deal with why i support who i support. My top issue is equality for humanity. Book caste will be on cspan book tv sunday at 8 00. It,se, america, look at white and black. I support equality. We as a people, being bible thumpers and i believe in the teachings of jesus they want to play we get back to a moral god and society, all people dont see the society as having been moral. Look what weve done to the other. This is our discontent for other people in thinking that they are taking away something from you. It is in the name of jesus weve done all of these things. In the bible jesus talked about beating your slaves, but not beating them so bad that you hurt them. We have to get ourselves away from this idealistic inking that we are and have always been a moral society. Book on manifest destiny and the doctrines of discovery and you will see how this nation has not been moral. Use god when it is convenient for you. Florida doingt of some promotion. You can see the schedule for all of our networks at our website at cspan. Org. This is allie from gaithersburg, maryland. Caller good morning. I am calling from gaithersburg. Say iswanted to [indiscernible] the reason why you see black of against the is because so many of the kkk, White Supremacy, and other groups are in the police right. W host rapid city. What is your top issue with less than four weeks to go before the election . Caller when it comes to the gladas, you know, im so to see your last guest to see the other side of the story. Someone. The media is so biased against trump. Problems, all of the have to come to terms with the democrats. They were the party of slavery. The republicans fought to free the slaves. If everybody would just look past color and treat each other right, all of these other small issues would come together if everyone would be honest about that. Host how can we do that . How can we get people to look past color more . Caller look at the truth. At our past. Like they say, the democrats where the party of they had the slavery. The republicans, they fought for they fought to free them. The slaves fought on the side of the republicans. We are losing our freedom to let the immigrants take over the court and getting their way if they dont win the election. Host good morning. Supporting the bidenharris ticket. Caller good morning. Me onk cspan for having the call this morning. I wanted to address one of two things. The first i wanted the first thing i wanted to address is i respect the way harris presented herself on stage and the way that biden presented himself on stage. I feel like with everything going on in the world at this candidate saidhe two things that stuck out to me. He spoke on the equal human rights for everybody, every color, every gender, everything. President trump has not displayed he displays most of the time how he felt about this and that nationality. I felt that was his first issue as a president. That he justified the action taking place in our country at this present time. The Breonna Taylor case, for example. The Police Departments are definitely covering up things and that needs to be addressed with the public. The george floyd paying, i was listening in regard to the george floyd incident. I thought that was blatant disrespect. What about eric garner, trayvon martin, and africanamericans who are unarmed being murdered by officers in our country. You talk about how are we going to be peaceful if these actions continue to happen . New baltimore, michigan, on the line for those who support President Trump and Vice President pence. What do you make of that story out of michigan, the foiled plot to kidnap your governor . Caller well, i think it was a travesty. I think many people are disillusioned and disenfranchised by the way this country is being torn apart. I think a lot of that has to do with the media, and i think we need to get back to a constitutional government. That is one of the reasons why i support President Trump. Have other reasons why you support him . Caller i believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I believe in the bill of rights. I think that many on the democratic ticket are opposing those things by trying to pack courts, which i believe the bidenharris ticket would do, and i dont think we need to tear apart our threetiered system of government, which is part of the constitution and supplemented by the bill of rights. Host you mentioned the courts. We have been working on cspan to bring our viewers conversations with members of the senate and Judiciary Committee ahead of next weeks confirmation hearing for judge Amy Coney Barrett. We talked earlier this week with senator kunz from delaware somewhere joined now with republican senator marsha blackburn. Good morning. Guest good to see you. Talk about what you have been told about how this process will work . The set up of the hearing submit heightened concerns about coronavirus . Two members on your side of the aisle on the Judiciary Committee testing positive . Guest we are going to continue with chairman blunt and Ranking Member amy klobuchar, the rules they put in place when covid started. There is an option for the committee to function in one of three ways. In person, virtual, or a hybrid number which gives individuals and witnesses, members and witnesses, the option of attending the hearing in person or virtually. We have had 125 hybrid hearings in the senate since this took place. 21 have been Judiciary Committee. That is the hybrid model, what we will use for the hearings next week. They begin on monday, they will finish on thursday. We will then begin the process of voting her from committee. We will take the final vote to move her to the floor for consideration on the 22nd. A few days later you are going to have the vote to confirm her to the court. It will be done the last week of october. Host did you get a chance to meet with her . What did you talk about . Guest yes, i talked to her about Agency Overreach and campus free speech. I really believe it is a growing issue. I hear from so many parents in tennessee who are very concerned. Their children coated college and they come their children go to college and they come home and they are being pulled to cancel culture by their professors. There are zones where it is the safe speech. You cant disagree with anyone. One mom said to me a couple of weeks ago that they had said, you should be working to understand the point and counterpoint so that you know how to defend Core Principles and how to engage in a productive argument or productive conversation. They were astounded that the professors this student had, a new College Student, it was all my way or the highway. This is right, do not present a counterpoint to me. I think there are a lot of parents in that same boat. They just cant believe that their kids are having their minds opened hand to their point of view narrowed. Did sheshe say where she stands on this campus free speech issue . Guest at an ordered name she has written a good bit about originalism. In this instant gratification world, how do you make that point, and how does northern dame seem to allow for people to have a difference of opinion, a different viewpoint, a diversity of viewpoint . Our nation has been well served by having robust, respectful political debate. I hope we see that continue. Host can you talk about how meetings with senators work and finding out where she stands on a particular issue . There is a story in the Washington Post talking about her potential impact on roe v. Wouldsenators saying she support restricting or overturning roe v. Wade. Did you ask about that . Is she supposed to respond on her opinions in these meetings . Guest you can look at her writings. She has written over 100 opinions. For my team and me, we have been going through those opinions and looking at what she has delivered in those opinions. You can look at some of her works she has done at notre dame. I did not discuss roe v. Wade with her. I know in times past many of those have come forward and they considered that to be a settled issue. About youralk preparation and preparing both her arguments. How much includes preparation for what democrats will be asking her about . Guest i focused on my questions and my opening statement. Spending my time looking at her opinions. That is a more productive use of my time. You know democrats are going to go at her, because she is prolife, profamily, proreligion, probusiness, promilitary. You have to look at what she has had to say about personal beliefs and the rule of law and the constitution. She is an originalist and has written a good bit about regionalism. Originalism. Out she said when the president announced her nomination she believes it is the duty of the jurist to apply the law, not legislate from the bench. We know our friends across the aisle prefer to have more of an activist judge. We prefer to have a constitutionalist judge who is going to sit there and call balls and strikes call and strikes based on the statutes and constitution. Host do you want to give us a preview on what questions you might ask her . Guest i will probably talk about executive overreach. About Agency Overreach will stop may be something on immigration. Probably something on originalism also. Tennessee,lican from member of the senate Judiciary Committee. You will see her and her colleagues at the Senate Hearing next week. Guest good to be with you, thank you. Host 10 minutes left. Asking for your top Campaign Issue of campaign 2020. Your phone lines, if you support trumpumppentce pence ticket, . Ticket 202 7488000. Through 12,es three this is the largest issue for me and i havent heard it discussed. If we taught that in taxpayerfunded Public Schools grade three through 12 the first couple of years focusing on municipal issues, then focusing on county and state issues not issues, but functions of the government. Nine through 12, focusing on federal level government functions and contributors to that, as well as contributors to the other things prior to that, we would get a better educated voter. A better educated voter who responds well to the education they have for a longer time. That is what i want these people to be talking about and that is my largest issue and the reason why i am not 100 decided. A perfect example of this being a problem are these because id debates. If the debates were structured so they were debating against someone in the public educated on the topic they chose as well as being a reasonably good debater they would be less room for cheap shots and more room for undecided voters to make educated decisions on what they are doing that applies to the job they are trying to apply for. Host connie out of wisconsin who supports the bidenharris ticket. Caller good morning. Im glad im able to talk to you about this. I am voting for biden, because the most important factor is he is in politics and has been in politics for years. He knows the ins and outs. Whoneed a person in their understands how the government works. Furthermore, the reason there are so many different departments for the government is because the president cannot be and all those places at the same time. It is very important that you get good advisors out there for Different Things. I am 77 years old and can remember growing up and being excited that we elected eisenhower, because we were dealing with the war and we needed someone who understood what was going on. Disheartening that there is so much fighting going on. The virus i am very concerned about, of course. I have not only grandchildren, but brandnew great grandchildren, and im trying to do everything to keep myself safe and be aware of whats going on. ,he fighting thats going on is other than politics. I dont think namecalling and cutting people down and saying mean things is going to get anywhere. When i was growing up we call that being bullied. Usually a bullied person usually a bully person is a very insecure person. Host what are your great grandchildrens names . , seven years old, smart as a whip. Three great granddaughters born last august and september when is caroline, eva, and in burley. And emberly. I adore them and cannot hug them like i want to. I try to be fair on listening to what side. I think trump is better off running a personal business. This government, theres more to it than just office. Host a few minutes left before the house comes in for a pro forma session this morning. We will stick with your calls and comments until they do. A few of your comments that you text messaging service, my top priority is a prolife agenda. When the perspective vp candidate will not even vote for a protection bill, we have a huge problem. Please protect life. Michael in portland, the top issue is Global Warming followed by covid virus proliferation. All other issues hinge on those first two. Exposing the voter fraud in states that change election laws through other means than the state legislature. This is illegal and away to cheat, and all on the democratic side, by the way. One more top issue for all americans regardless of their Party Affiliation should be the preservation of our republic. Many americans have given up their lives to preserve our democracy, which trump has all but destroyed. That is mickey in milwaukee. Mary lou in beachwood, ohio. Good morning. Caller good morning. Hi, i would like to speak a little about my concerns going forward. I think its important we understand the type of governmentstyle in the future will dramatically change from a free society to one controlled by government. I am a Small Business owner and have had a shop for eight years, a small ice cream shop in one of our suburbs. Other shops ind town have closed because they cannot make it through the covid, rebounding. Now im concerned joe biden wants to increase minimum wage to 15 an hour. That will definitely close my business. I cant afford to double my payroll because my income wont do over the same time. My concern is the impact of a lifelong politician over a businessman who knows the beingence and impact, able to give a just wage for a just performance on the job is critical. Something Small Businesses like me, definitely would not be here if democrats continue down this path and especially if they increase the minimum wage to 15 an hour. I am a minority owner of a business and i feel my future is in jeopardy. Host we started noting the politico report that the white house now is set on striking a covidstimulus deal with Speaker Pelosi and showed you the tweet from jake sherman of politico. A series of tweets a few minutes ago from erica warner from the Washington Post rights, a new stimulus deal is unlikely in the next three weeks, quoting senator mcconnell, the majority leader, at an event in kentucky will stop going on to tweet a couple minutes ago, mcconnell reiterates he has not seen trump in person since august, but they speak on most every day. The telephone was invented in the late part of the 19th century and works quite well. Say when hefuses to covid. T tested for have i ever been tested, yes. Am i going to make a daily report, no. Its not necessary. Thats the majority leader in the senate. The house about to come in for a brief pro forma session. We might have time for one more call. Alex in pensacola, florida on the bidenharris line. 23yearold a College Student and recently decided to vote for biden. I think i can speak to the president appoints a cabinet, and i want to consider the huge difference between todays cabinet with a belligerent secretary of state mike pompeo [indiscernible] people who are going to be on the equal opportunity ticket. The board of governance at the post office, all of these things are going to be receiving appointments in the next term and that will shape politics for generations to come and equal rights for everyone over the coming years. Concerned, another the senate races. We had senator blackburn on a moment ago and Amy Coney Barrett [indiscernible] on to add a couple years ago earlier in the decade sorry, earlier in the century,. Romising to repeal roe v. Wade i think she should be pushed on that and republican senators should be asked about that. Its