A Campaign Stop in manchester, hampshire. Watch live at 6 p. M. Eastern on cspan, online on cspan. Org or listen live on the free cspan radio app. The fourday Republican National convention ended last columnist today reviewed President Trumps acceptance speech topics included Fact Checking the president s commitments as well as his use of the white house for the campaign speech. We are going to get right into it. Welcome. Since you probably had the latest night im going to start with you. Give us an overview of your factcheck of last night. We were running out of superlatives during the Republican National convention. One night, we called it a tsunami of untruths. For trump, we a title wave of tall tales, false claims and revisionist history. That is certainly what we saw. We had 25 separate claims of false or misleading statements that the president made that was just scratching the surface. Trumpte a whole book can on trump and what we call his assault on truth and his propensity to save misleading things and he certainly lived up to our expectations and his reputation as someone who will say things that just often are not based in reality. I could go through a few. That reminds me. Listening to the president speech, there are a lot of things i have heard before i was wondering if you, as a fact checker, did you hear anything new that needed to be fact checked . We factcheck him and democrats on a daily basis. Hewere pretty well prepared had a line in there about cash bails where he was criticizing id for supporting a policy that Chris Christie of new jersey has implemented. That has popped up in the last week or so but we were prepared for it because we had seen. Otherwise, it is just a litany of his golden oldies. The greatest economy ever, falsehoods such as biden supports defund the police , biden would wipe out the suburbs or cancel the suburbs, which you could argue his overheated rhetoric and false. He, you know. He gives awhen speech, there are 50 or 60 false claims in a speech and thats what this was. Im going to need you to factcheck one thing on camera that left out at me and that was that he has done more for africanamericans than perhaps even if even abraham lincoln. Right. Thats a factcheck we had done. I had consulted with a whole bunch of historians who literally just laughed through the phone. Thingsas done very few specifically to help africanamericans and you could go down the list. At the very top, you have Lyndon Johnson signed the civil rights you had harry truman who desegregated the army. Abraham lincoln, who freed the slaves. But it is typical of the way trump will cast himself as some sort of superhero who has done amazing feats no one else has ever done before. Michelle, last night we saw something we had never seen in modern American History and that is a president of the United States using the white house as ans of a renomination to the office. We have been talking all week about the hatch act and its violations. An opinion colleague said there is no big deal and nothing to see here, but you recently wrote about the potential violations committed i federal employees like a ivanka trump. Reportingabout your and whether those employees have put themselves in any kind of legal jeopardy. All week, we saw the president leverage the power of the presidency for political purposes, like airing the naturalization ceremony, an official pardoning ceremony at the political convention. Last nightcall made with the backdrop of the white house and we saw the event happened on the south lawn. Reporting, i found out that though the civil provisions do not apply to the president or Vice President , there are criminal provisions that may apply to him, so theres actually a complaint pending about whether the president may have violated the criminal provisions and we will see where that goes. However, it does apply to federal employees. The staffer who set up the event on the south lawn with people who are catering, the people scheduling, all of that applies and there is already a complaint about this now. We have seen the president pretty much blow off the hatch act many times. Under President Trump, we have seen a huge increase in hatch in the way that they have actually had to hire more people to investigate these claims. So this is kind of a continuation of what we see under President Trump, which is that the hash act is really just a beltway phenomenon. It is very nice law that does not apply. A couple of times, you mentioned a complaint had been filed during who files these complaints against the administration smart who has standing to do that . Anyone, really. What the office of special counsel does, they investigate complaints and they dont usually go proactively to find these violations. Violation filed against the present and white house officials are being driven by a Government Watchdog Group and they have actually been on top of these violations over the past 3. 5 years. They are kind of like the outside group that is holding them accountable. We were talking about the white house being used for political purposes. The trump hotel, which is not far from the white house or the event space where the speech is happened, talk about the role the hotel has played this week during the Republican Convention. One of the unique things about having a fully Virtual Convention is you cannot create these spaces for Major Party Donors to really mingle. The democratic donors did not toe any gatherings or perks be able to say there were major donors to this event. The trump hotel kind of served as the gathering space all week. We have seen this hotel being used as a venue where foreign leaders, lobbyists and officials gather to hang out and show they are supporting the president. This is get another show of the president mingling public and business interests. These donor events have been held at the trump hotel all week. The officials who attended the speech last night maybe spent a lot of time at the hotel. It kind of served as like that donor experience they may not have gotten if there were not a trump hotel right next to the white house. And no doubt hanging out there, spending money there, staying there or buying cocktails. Quick, you told me before you came on, how any words you filed after the president speech. 7500. Ladies and gentlemen, that is a lot. You very much for coming on first look. You are welcome. Now lets pop over the opinion side of the Washington Post, where standing by our my columnist colleagues. Thank you both for joining this morning. For me, it was a late night so the gears are not catching, thank you very much for coming on. Let me start with you. You have written about your hopes for this week. Did the convention meet your expectations . In some ways, it exceeded my expectations. Been clear for years that with they needed to do was try and address some of the issues that people who arent part of the president s base are concerned about at much of the toms,ion did that words, pictures and endorsements that one could see reaching out to people who are not part of the base. The president s speech did not really follow suit and that and so consequently was a can vet but there is incredible from the speeches and videos for the rest of the convention. And if the campaign is what it is doing, it will flood the airwaves with those. Did it meet or exceed your expectations . The most famous words spoken during roosevelts long presidency spoken about three minutes into the presidency. That the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. I think the theme of the Republican Convention was be afraid, be very afraid. The suburbs are going to be invaded, violence will sweep the indeed, black lives matter and associated allies at this point have figured out how indeed to reelect the president. If they keep up with the violence and looting and if joe biden cant summon the gumption and the vocabulary to speak out against it. But i think the president aimed at two groups with which she needs to make marginal groups one is the suburbs. 2016, 66 of votes were cast in suburbs. He needs to clawback some support there. Is a kind ofhis recurring republican effort to improve the turnout of republicans among africanamericans. In 2012, last time barack obama was on the ballot, it was 66 turnout of eligible voters. In 2060 that dropped with obama no longer on the ticket down to 59 . If had stayed at 56, mr. Trump would not have been elected in so marginalace differences in small constituencies can make a big difference. What do you make of georges analysis and also to his point, the message has been to be afraid, be very afraid. Will that work . I think that george was very right, that if what you continue seeing is both the fringe of the farleft committing violence, people, last night attacked senator rand paul leaving the white house, and if cant do a ritual doing seizure and not take on a leadership role, it could very well do that. If you see one thing happening on your screens daily and you see it spiraling out of control, beepers to people who are closest to that are claimed to have that moral authority not be able to put an end to it, that can very well work for people will remember everything that has been done last four years, but facts on the ground do make the president s argument much more plausible there they did one month ago. I want you to come back to something we mentioned a moment ago when we were talking about the violence in kenosha and Vice President biden finding the gumption to speak out against it , which he has, but you wrote a column where you write that joe biden needs a Sister Soldier moment. Talk that out. 1992, Sister Soldier, a rap singer, responded approvingly to the rights in los angeles following the acquittal of the Police Officers involved in the beating of rodney king. Outng that weekend, week there are blacks killing blacks, maybe they should kill whites for a while and if there are nice white people, she has never met any. Was attending a Jesse Jackson event in chicago, as was bill clinton and he criticized her explicitly by name and this sent a signal to wavering voters that he was an independent man and not enamored of or hostage to those who inhabit the wilder shores of american politics it was considered very helpful to his campaign mr. Biden has not had a similar moment. Daily events give him the opportunity. Issue awhat he did was 93 second video tweet, what he three seconds of which deplored the arson and mayhem. If he thinks that is sufficient to matthews mistaken. Between now and election day, he is going to have to take a much more forthright stance. That troubles me about the conversation we are having about the violence taking place in kenosha and minneapolis as it seems to be, correct me if im wrong, that in the minds of the general american electorate, particularly Republican Voters, there is no difference between the Peaceful Protesters and the folks who are doing the looting and the violence in those cities. Is there a way for joe biden to thread that needle and talk about the Racial Injustice that is motivating the peaceful protests while also condemning the violence of other in thos. George it is an easy distinction to make. An obvious distinction. You have to speak out in favor of law enforcement. After all, article two of the more intion say no describing the duties of the president , but it is to take care of people. There is a lot about federal emblematicve to his commitment to the rule of law. What mr. Biden needs to do is what lincoln did after the lynching, essentially, of senator Elijah Lovejoy when he ord there is no agreement redress of law, short, punchy, true, and mr. Biden is going to have to be heard with similar clarity. Jonathan again, yesterday, in his interviews with mitchell and Anderson Cooper on cnn, he did just that. If i am listening to you correctly, george, he needs to keep doing it on a daily if not hourly basis. Question for you, henry. Do Republican Voters, and in particular supporters of the president , do they care about the nuance when it comes to the protests . Henry republican support peaceful protests. What Republican Voters are upset about is the overemphasis of the peaceful nature of the protest and the downplaying of the violence they see daily on the media, and that as a regular me you see, this chiron chyron. The do it in a language that makes the people perpetrating this violence, recognize that the person making that statement has no sympathy for them and use them for what they are, lawbreakers. That is what joe biden will not do today, and that is what do,ge is calling on him to calling out people who are throwing molotov cocktails, pulling people out of cars and killing them, and across neighborhoods in the country say, you are murderous thugs outside the law, and i will treat you the same, while protecting people to protest and the firstat is in amendment and say that if you stand outside the law, i cannot stand there. Again, Vice President biden did do that yesterday, not in the language that you use, but he did do it, and he needs to do it more. He needs to say if you kill, you will be put in jail. If you maim, you will be put in jail. And i will stand by the rule of law, and if you stand outside the rule of law, you stand outside the american progress. It is successfully giving the Trump Campaign an opportunity to bring itself back. George, you are known as a master wordsmith. A reporter dubbed the president s speech as, was not a terribly effective address, and he called it a hodgepodge of oratory wrapped around a warning to america. What is your assessment of President Trumps nomination acceptance speech last night . Henry welcome he touched all of the erogenous zones on the body of the republican base, which is what conventions typically do, energize people to turn out in the fall. There is clearly enthusiasm. Those who favored donald trump, favorite them him more intensely than favor joe biden. Memorably andsaid often and well, compare me to the mighty war compare me to the alternative. I am not sure that joe biden is a fightf, i guess, figure to turn out the president space, and that was the president s job, and i think he did that adequately. What did youry, think of the president s speech . They i was very down by president s speech. I think he did a lot of things he needed to do, as said, excite the republican base, but it was about twice as much as he should have. Willheer length of it weaken the impact, and what he also needed to do is reach out. Of the electorate makes you a millionaire in politics but a loser in politics. The minority base. There were some overtures in the beginning when he said democrats, republicans, or thisendents who stand with cause, but what he needed to do was speak as much or more to that base, and the speech would have been added from it editor from an editor. It would have benefited from a genuine words check. They could have put those words around a theme and an imagery that stuck in the imagination. Those were lacking. The convention was much more useful than the speech. Jonathan george, you were laughing. George yes i was. Trump, like a stop sign, what do you do . Hes is who he is and what does. He is a performance artist, and that was a performance. Think,hanks, most people he went on too long, but for the average trump voter, too much trump is a contradiction in terms. As someone who watches media and is on the other side, being in the media, and i am thinking what is new here that i have not already heard from all of the socalled Coronavirus Press briefings we have seen but also from the remarks he gave in charlotte on monday. Given that you are both disappointed with the president s speech, did he miss an opportunity to forge new ground, and is he even capable of doing that . Does he even care . Sorry. Go ahead, henry. Henry i think that is the 64,000 dollar question. He should have been forge a new ground. He should have been forge a new ground for the last two years, and the convention before him was talking about forging new ground, using themes and endorsements and testimonials from people, and then you get the president , and it is same old, same old, pretty much, and people have been asking me when is there a path back, and i say yes, but i do not think he can take that path. Last night shows that maybe this guy is just an old dog who cannot learn a single new trick. Jonathan george . Very rarethink it is in president ial campaigns. Not unprecedented, but rare that something new comes up. One thing i can think of his eisenhower in 19 52 saying in the detroit speech, i would go to korea, which had a galvanizing effect on his candidacy, which was going to succeed anyway, and it seems unreasonable to expect that mr. Trump trump isnt open book and has been reading himself to the country for 30 years now. There were no hidden depths there, to say no more. Jonathan there is one new thing that happened last night that we have never seen before, and i am sure, george, if we had, you about it, thetten president of the United States using the white house as a backdrop, using the south lawn as a political event. As we close out, we have about three minutes left, i would like you to talk about the use of the white house for political purposes, and is it a big deal or not a big deal . Henry, you go first. Henry i do not think trump should done it, but lets not forget that ford announced his ,eelection to the oval office and msnbc has shown the video of this. No one complained of this. If the use of the oval office to announce reelection is not a problem in 1975, i think we are hyping the problem of the south lawn today. It should not be done. It is not part of our normal life, but it has been done before. The phrase rose garden parade entered our lexicon long before donald trump entered our life. Isrything a president says political. Everything. Therefore, as long as he is president and running for election, there will be a blurry line between what is acceptable and not. Donald trump unambiguously steps over this blurry line, but in the hierarchy of outrages, it is pretty low. Jonathan george, one last thing before i let you go. Last night on msnbc on the use of the white house by the president , jory reid, the anchor there on the 7 00 show, talked about the fact that what we had just seen to her mind was monarchy, the start of monarchy. Is that hyperbole . Should we be concerned that that is what we saw at the beginning, especially if President Trump wins reelection . Presidency. Imperial preceded, putting the white house guards in uniforms. I think it was george mason among the founders that the presidency is at the feet of monarchy. Inherent inis executive power. It has become worse and worse. A constitutional problem. What mr. Trump did, on the scale of things, is nothing compared to, for example, joe biden saying as president , he would shut the country down if scientists recommended it. No, he would not, because he does not have General Police powers. Governors have that. Jonathan and on that, we are way out of time. Henry olsen, george will, thank you for coming on. George thank you. Jonathan and thank you for joining first look at the Republican Convention. Thank you for spending your time with me this week and last week for the dnc. This was a lot of fun, and if you missed the previous interviews, go to the Washington Post live website. I am opinion writer for the Washington Post, and you have been watching the Washington Post live. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] ] announcer today, President Trump is speaking. Eastern,e at 6 00 p. M. 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