They discussed the protests in wisconsin, israel policy, and the 2020 president ial campaign. Good morning. I am anna palmer, coauthor of the politico playbook. Im joined by jake. Thank you for tuning into politico virtual programming as we count down to election day. This week has been all about the Republican National convention and President Trumps reelection bid. You can follow the conversations on social media and tweet us your questions. We will be talking to jared kushner, but first the senior politics editor and National Political reporter. Why the tar heel state is among the states likely to shape the electoral outcome. That will be followed by a Senior Technology reporter on President Trumps digital strategy. With that, lets get started. Thank you for joining us this morning. Great to be with you guys. Was a speech by the president. You are known in the president s operation as someone who is very focused on metrics. Much of the polling in many states doesnt look hot for the president. Can you give us some numbers and places we should be watching to convince us that this remains a winnable race for the president . I think you have to look at two things. A lot of the polls were wrong in the last election. Between labor day and the election last time, there was 120 different polls in states the president won. Only one of those had him winning. Methodologypolling is obviously very flawed. If you look at where the president is, we believe his strength and his base has grown substantially. People were saying, lets take a chance on him. This time hes shown that he keeps his promises. The president jokes and says he believes hes capped more premises than hes made. And weve made a lot more premises that will keep americans safe. Statebystate, regardless of what the public polls show, hes basically a head or in the margin of weve spent a lot of money on data and building out staff. We feel like we will be able to turn out the vote. We believe theres plenty of them out there. Just one example is a state like minnesota. We lost minnesota by 44,000 votes. Since then, that state has continued to move more and more towards the president. They dont like what they are seeing with the riots. The mayor says he is voting for trump. And wehave 80 staffers are very excited that we have the ability to do that. We feel like it is very competitive. The American People like the president s platform. They want a president who is bringing jobs back to america. They want law and order. There are some people who love everything about him. Some people dont love his style. The American People will have to decide, who do you want negotiating for you, and President Trump is the guy. I do believe the American People will go for that. You know i am a skeptic of most things. Ask, why is there such a disparity here . It is not like two or three poles show him down in swing states. Every bit of public evidence shows one thing. Hope understand, you would that the pollsters have learned their mistakes from 2016. You are telling us in every swing state he is ahead or in the margin, but every poll shows something completely different. I dont want to be critical of the media, but it is kind of something that happens every now and then, but the reality is that everyone got 2016 wrong and there were no consequences. Instead they said, we werent wrong, it must have been russia. So they spent two years chasing that narrative and that became totally defunct. All the flyover states, these are people who wanted an outsider. They went with him. I am a big data guy. I am a big believer that if you can measure something, you can manage it. The fact that public polling was off, if you look at brexit, they projected how many people were going to vote for stay, but they undercounted how many people were going to vote to leave. They had the turnout wrong. When you think about the last election, i think the same thing happened. We built our own turnout model. We have sampled about 10 million people. We had local voters waiting in line to come to President Trumps rallies. We built different turnout models. Theyomney team thought were going to win until election night. But we basically would sample and then run through two models. The turnout model was basically how a lot of media was doing it. We built off of our 10 million sample size. We basically would do the samples and it showed us that we were going to win and that we were going to lose. , 24 u look at polling republican turnout, which is ridiculous i also think you there,lot of voters out and they are also doing national polling. I think that you are going to all that as this goes the data again, the election we feel like we are ready to turn out our vote and hopefully win in a big way. One of the questions that a lot of people are asking is, what is your strategy on ads . What thealk us through thinking is right now on that . Conventions, that kind of blocks out the sun a little bit. After labor day, you are going to see a really aggressive campaign. To think about this in washington all the time. The American People dont get focused on this until right before. We know what we need to do to turn them out. Weve made over a million phone calls. We know who the swing voters are. Weve been testing a lot of the messages that helped persuade them. Operationr digital and our tv operation, if you noticed, this weekend last week, [inaudible] weve been doing a lot of online , targeted at different audiences. We know which voters we need to talk what is he doing better or different . Bill was on the campaign before and brad is still on the campaign. They have changed roles. We have a tremendous team. Setting the data up and hiring, there is always more involved in the ground operation. Bill has tighten things up. That frees brad up to do what he is good at. Bill did a great job on the last campaign. He and his team are doing a great job now as well. You could react a bit to the shooting in kenosha wisconsin. What do you make of the nba protesting . Do you specifically support people protesting like the nba is doing now . I think that peaceful protest has a place. I hope they are conscious about getting into a place where they are not spreading the virus. Ist we need to do right now make sure that we take the anger people have and construct a solution. If you look a lot at a lot of the cities, there has been a lot of complaining but they have been here for decades and they havent gotten anything done. I feel like we need to move the conversation forward. Trumpsook at president track record, he took on that issue and brought a solution. He got historical criminal Justice Reform passed which was bipartisan. By supporting Law Enforcement and finding a way to make community safer. People talk about inequality and a lot of these communities. You dont improve things by rioting and burning down stores. You do it by doing what President Trump did which was creating opportunities and providing capital for black Small Business owners. President has been fighting to get people out of failed schools and into Charter Schools. Fundedtion to that, he the historically black colleges and universities. They love the police and they want the police there. There are some bad cops and some great cops. We want to work through that. We need to have constructive dialogue. This country has seen enough of the protests and the negative things that can happen. Protests go too far or they are hijacked by people who have a different agenda. We need to bring it to constructive solutions. Solutions with policy. The other side has done a lot of complaining. Theyomplainers in the nba, have the luxury of taking the night off but americans dont have the luxury to do that. It is nice that they are standing up, that i would like to see them move into solutions that are productive. President trump and this white house is going to work with them. We have reached across the aisle numerous times but we have policies and ability checks if you think. We have a track record of being able to improve peoples lives and naked difference. Clear, to be clear, lebron james has put a Million Dollars in. You work with the president and i understand that. Lebron james also opened a phenomenal Charter School that has made a difference. If lebron james reached out to the white house, we are happy to talk to him and say lets agree on what we want to accomplish and lets come up with a common pathway to get there. Have you reached out to him . I have not. I will reach out to him today. If you have his number, give it to me and i have a couple of basketball questions for him. [laughter] let me ask you about a covid response. One quick question then i want to move to the middle east. Is there anything you wish you could do differently . I will say this. You covered the watercooler of washington. This was in fullblown crisis mode. A lot of governors were asking for things they didnt need. We were there every step of the way bailing them out and getting them the resources they need. It is a global pandemic. You can secondguess a lot of things. We have made way more right decisions and wrong decisions. We will comethat out of this much stronger than most countries. We are in full figure therapeutics and making great progress on a vaccine. One thing we are seeing is cases coming down by over 30 in the last month, test Positivity Rate has gone down 5 . Certain politicians tweet every day that there is no testing plan. We cemented a testing plan to one guest and worked with every governor on the statewide testing plan. You have other politicians say they have not used defense production act as we used defense production act. You have a lot of politicians try to exclude what we are doing. It is a responsible for the public to be politicizing this. You have people who are scared and a lot of the political divisions, people criticizing the response from is creating more division in helping to solve problems joe biden laid out a whole plan for what he would do and everything you would have been come we are in the process of doing. I havent seen a ton of constructiveness. And a lot of people criticizing this had wrong predictions as well. Anna the administration has had an empathy gap. A lot of what we cover every day is inside baseball, but when you talk to americans across the country, they wonder if the president can feel the pain on this issue, that 170,000 americans die from and there has been a gap and something missing from the messaging from the white house. Jared the president will say the right things often but they dont get covered and people wanted to say it over and over again. He is who he is, but he gets things done. Tim scott said words of encouragement are not the president s love language. Results are his love language. When President Trump heres somebody is hurting, he wants to help them and he has shown that time and time again. You have a lot of politicians who can give speeches and be moralists and lecture you, but few of them have delivered results. At the end of the day President Trump is who he is and he has been this way for his whole life and he ran this way and governed this way. The one thing he has come to track record of getting things done. When he tells you he is going to do something, he will do it. If you ask if he is a typical politician, absolutely not, not pretending to be. Jake lets move to the middle east. You are heading there next week. Ive been quite skeptical of your efforts in the middle east, but you had a huge breakthrough in the last week when you announced the United Arab Emirates was moving to normalization with israelis in the middle east. The strategy is to isolate the palestinians, to make it clear that the majority of the arab majority of the arab world goes to normalization instead of waiting for an endless spot that the United States has been engaged in. Jared actually, strategy has not been to isolate the palestinians, it is to not do stupid things. What we have been fighting for a long time with the notion that we are just as people just have a habit of saying things i will give you an example. They said we have to go and meet with the palestinians. They have a financial crisis, and then there is an issue in gaza where israel is not allowing gas into gaza. Wait a minute, the reason why you have a financial crisis is they are not taking the funding that is in the escrow account . It is a selfmade financial crisis. In gaza, the only reason they have conflict is they are shooting rockets into israel. We just havent rewarded bad behavior. When they came out and started criticizing america when we moved to the embassy, we basically said we will not american taxpayer money over to a people who basically insults america and take our largesse for granted. We have taken a commonsense sense approach and try not to do stupid things. Every once the world was going to end, and the president today and the next morning the sun rose in the evening the sunset. He earned a lot of trust from israel because people know that he is not going to be intimidated into not doing what he thinks is right. We try to do common sense things. The problem you have in the middle east jerry baker wrote a phenomenal article about this in the journal two days ago where people doing this the last few years later to iran getting a pathway to a nuclear weapon, 150 billion, 2 billion in cash. We never stopped the counterterrorism financing like we did in syria, yemen. It is not like the track record of accomplishment before us. We came in and started talking bluntly and build alliances with israel and we went there and the first year we did a lot of listening and talking and heard what the problems were and how we thought we should solve it. We try to create commonality about what we wanted to accomplish. If you use conventional thinking, you get the same conventional outcomes. What are our common goals, what are our common things we can accomplish and how we get people to get their . Palestinians, our telephones are open, we talk to different people. President trump has laid out a great vision and if you think about where we are, a proposal on the table for a palestinian state with israel, something we do not have at the beginning of the administration. We have built a full Business Plan back and take their economy and create one million new jobs. It is not that hard if you study how economies have been built. The problem has not been israel, the problem is that the leadership is stuck with that paradigm and they dont have the Political Capital to do it. If they show courage and are willing to take a little bit of risk under this president , he has shown that by doing things in an unconventional way, incredible things are possible, and he can be the first person to lead to the Palestinian People to a place where they have selfdetermination, hope, and a lot of economic activity. The current leadership has a 25year track record of not being successful. The International Community is stuck with a paradigm. They isolate themselves by taking advantage of a lot of people in the world who are well intended and trying to help them. You cannot want people to want a better life for themselves more than they wanted themselves. That is where President Trump is just a pragmatist, and whether it is the inner cities we cannot want people to want a difference more than they want to do it themselves. If you have people were willing to take the steps and do the hard things and do things to make their lives better, whether it is here in america or abroad, President Trump is going to listen and be constructive and find solutions. He has a track record unlike anyone else in washington of achieving results. Jake anna . Anna im sorry, were quickly running out of time. In january 2021, where will you be . Jared when i came down to washington, i wasnt sure whether it would be six months later. What i will say is my life has been an incredible journey and i never thought i would be working in the white house. I tried to focus on the task at hand, and right now im focused on my trip to the middle east and hoping we can make this these agreement hold firmly and we can get more momentum and help on domestic policies and i helping the president after the pandemic. We have hurricanes this weekend that we are monitoring very closely. We have different situations in the country. I have been thinking a few weeks ahead in my life is not a luxury i have. Every minute im in Government Service i will spend every minute i can to accomplish as much as i can. Ive taken criticism from places like even your playbook for taking on too many things and the hard things, but my attitude is that Public Service is an honor for me to do. It is a short period of my life relative to the duration of my life, and while im here i will do everything i can to have as much impact as possible and i want to take on the hard challenges, not easy challenges. Hopefully when we are done i think ive shown we can put up some great successes and that will make america and the country america and the world a better place. Privilege to work every day, and it is up to god and the American People what will happen in november. Jake if you dont mind the criticism we dont mind criticizing. Thank you very much for being with us. Todays focus is on North Carolina. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] good morning. I am the senior politics editor at politico. The electoral map has changed thanks to President Trumps 2016 victory and i am joined by my colleague to discuss the new swing states map. Throughout the two political conventions, we will look at six states that are at the heart of the electoral map the donald trump has reshaped. Today, we are focused on North Carolina. I have followed North Carolina throughout the races as well as charting the yearlong battle with the bathroom bill. Before we dive into north videona, a politico producer is providing us some background. If there is one state where the act of voting is a factor, its growth carolina. North carolina. Political and Racial Division in North Carolina runs deep. Division can be traced back to the 1888 election when the kkk used violence to affect elector turnout. There is deep southern democratic roots began to turn red in the 70s. Not much has changed. It is still a swing state. Look at 2016 when they voted for donald trump and roy cooper for governor. They have a rapidly changing demographic. It has seen some of the highest net in migration from the blue states gaining more than 10,000 residents from each state just in 2018. People of color, unmarried women and millennials. They will make up more than half of the eligible voters in the next election. The Trump Campaign has put race at the center of his messaging. That could backfire in a state like North Carolina. Was a serious case of voter fraud by a republican candidate that rendered an entire election the legitimate. Been corruption implicating a top gop official. How does that impact the next election . In 2010, republicans won control of the house and the senate and they have been working to change the political infrastructure of the state ever since. Resulting in republican control of 10 out of 13 congressional seats. The Supreme Court decision allowed nine states including North Carolina to change their election laws without federal approval. Within two months, the state Legislature Passed a new law imposing stricter voting id rules. A group of voters sued the North Carolina gop in federal court. They argued that republicans were intentionally concentrating black voters into handful of districts. Blocked twourts had major efforts by the gop deciding that the voter id laws were unconstitutional and that the redistricting relied too much on race. These decisions are fresh in the minds of North Carolina voters and trumps stance on voting laws , and his overall rhetoric on race could push the evolving electorate in North Carolina and their 15 electoral votes back to blue in november. You grew up in North Carolina. What did obama do in 2008 other democrats could not . Barack obamas election was historical in nevada because North Carolina because he was able to build a coalition of voters that they had never seen before. Chief among those was historic turnout among africanamericans and young voters. Under 30 college students. That is something that no other democratic candidate has been able to replicate. The state has remained competitive because of the democratic shift emma graphic shift. Demographic shift. Some population loss in rural parts of the state. If you think about that in terms of party affiliation, urban areas tend to be blue and democratic. Rural areas tend to be republican. That population growth has given democrats a demographic edge. If you look at party affiliation, it is very much a swing state in terms of how people are registered. One third republican, one third republican one third democrat, one third unaffiliated. To unaffiliated dont want state their party affiliation, that group has grown. It is getting closer to 40 in terms of how people are declaring themselves. Group thatlly a key if either party wants to win, thats where they have to win with the unaffiliated voters. We saw an example of that in 2016. This was the year that donald trump one North Carolina but at the same time, democratic governor roy cooper won the election there for the first time. There are clearly unaffiliated voters or split ticket voters who are willing to vote for donald trump and roy cooper at the same time. That is part of what makes North Carolina interesting as a state because those voters do exist there. Im glad you mentioned the suburban aspect. One part of the state where he is struggling is the suburbs particularly around raleighdurham. How much of a problem is that for him this year . This is the problem for donald trump come november. When i talked to North Carolina strategists, this is the Demographic Group that they talk about most frequently as the segment they are most worried about and it could decide it for him. We saw this back in 2018. When i was covering house races, we saw how democrats were able to change the map of how democrats one by winning in these suburban areas where they had not one before. Laces like orange county, california. That turned blue. Places around charleston, south carolina. They turned blue. White,n areas where collegeeducated and often women are voting for democrats sometime for the first time. That still bears out in North Carolina where we have three major areas where suburban growth urban growth has shot up. Raleighdurham, charlotte, also winstonsalem and greensboro. Those are areas where joe biden cobbled together enough suburban white support to overcome those rural areas that trump has dominated in the past. North carolina is a state that will play a pivotal role in deciding Donald Trumps fate. It is also one of the most important states in terms of significant statewide races. What makes it so important . We have some of the most exciting pallet races in North Carolina that are really going to give us tells about how the rest of the map is going to look for the house and senate. At the top of the ticket underneath the president ial, we have a gubernatorial race, a senate race, several congressional races. The house races will be a big deal because they can change the composition of the North Carolina delegation. Because of redistricting and a whole host of litigation that has moved through. The map looks different. Races are likely to turn blue and a third is very competitive. That could change the composition to almost 5050. That will shape things in the house. The two races i want to focus on are the governor and senate race. They are both tied at the top of the ticket and how joe biden or trump performs. The one that is less tied to the governors race. This is roy cooper who is up for reelection. He wanted in 2016. Governors are able to build a branch for themselves separate from the national party. It is not easy, but it is possible. National disasters like a hurricane or a pandemic is a way for them to build their own brand. Roy cooper has gotten high marks on these crises. He is somebody who is sitting in a good position. Contrast, the race is much more tied to the top of the ticket. Tom tillis is a Senate Republican running for reelection. A bit more reliant on how donald trump does. He is a federal candidate, much more tied into how your party does. What he hopes donald trump will help him do is turn joe biden and cal cunningham, his opponent, into tools of the radical left making them unpalatable to the unaffiliated voters we talked about earlier and scaring them away from supporting a democrat. That will be key for them to pull this off. We only have a limited amount of time left. Lets do a lightning round. If there is one thing the Trump Campaign must do to win North Carolina, what would it be . Because atg to cheat think theres what he can do versus what he will do. Strategists said what he could do is act more president ial. Tone down the tweets. Tone down the behavior problems that the unaffiliated voters have talked about that is an issue for them. What comes up is not a concern about policy but more his behavior and how he has handled the coronavirus crisis. What is more likely and what they expect he will do is whether or not he can turn joe biden into a tool of the radical left. Someone who is controlled by Bernie Sanders or aoc. Someone who is holding to them. Thats the way that maybe they can scare off the unaffiliated voters. I think that is what they are hoping they will be able to pull off. I realize that was not exactly a lightning round question. Not a lot of lightning there. [laughter] let me ask you, what does the Biden Campaign have to do to win North Carolina . Im going to cheat also. He needs to perform better than Hillary Clinton among white voters. 76 of theites cast vote in North Carolina and she won just 32 of that. He has to do better. The second thing is, he cant get killed in the suburbs like Hillary Clinton did. She lost the suburbs by over 20 . If joe biden cant do that, he doesnt deserve to win the state. Thank you all for joining us in this new swing state app sing on North Carolina. I would argue its the best state in the country. We all knew that suburban voters would be a key to success in november. I know i will be watching my hometown suburbs in winstonsalem closely on election night. That will give us a big boast big boost. This wraps up our new swing states series. To recap, we have covered michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, arizona, florida, and North Carolina. We have discovered that in nearly all of the states, suburbs will be pivotal. One of the things i learned is that most of these places, no one should rely too heavily on the polls. Thanks for watching and take care. Good morning. I am is Technology Reporter at politico. The democratic and Republican Conventions made history this month. The first to be held in part virtually. Five months into the pandemic, they were forced to reimagine how to convene leaders and reach voters. The road from this months convention to the white house runs right through the internet. Our guest is a digital strategist. Ofworked for the campaign marco rubio. Working to grow the republican jewel ecosystem. Digital ecosystem. About theo talk campaigns. Thank you for being with us. You can follow the conversation on social media and please tweet us our your questions. Earlier, you said when it comes to online strategy, the Trump Campaign has been running a master class in digital marketing. Can you explain . In order to mobilize your voters and raise the money you need to be successful no matter what level youre at, you need permissionbased theence that you own via mail, texting, and an app. The Trump Campaign has been pouring millions of dollars into building that audience. You can see now there mobilization of that. What does that look like in practice . How are they activating that . Thenyone who signed up for Text Messages know that they have been going wild. Similarly, the males are very active. Active. S are very push notifications on the app. It is all working in concert to make sure trump has the vacation for supporters. So that they are taking the information to their friends and coworkers getting everyone ready to start voting. One of the things we focused on in 2016 was facebook. The Trump Campaign famously said that it was their secret weapon. Young people dont care about facebook anymore. Is it still a powerful tool . I am no fan of facebook either, but the fact of the matter is, it commands so much attention of voters not just on the facebook platform but also areas like whatsapp and instagram. For campaigns, it is one of the most important places to engage with voters and meet them where they are. Is aboutmpaign reaching the right voter with the right message at the right moment with the right messenger. Facebook is where a lot of people are spending those moments. You have to reach them there. It is still a powerful channel. New hoops that they have made campaigns go through, it is still number one when campaigns are trying to advertise in terms of direct response, getting people to sign up, donate, volunteer, turnout at events as well as persuasion. It talk about why you are not a big fan of facebook. Is it the new rules about political advertising . Or are there other things . Is, theyf the problem have decided that the problem with the platform and their engagement in elections are legitimate campaigns. These are campaigns who are filing disclosures and scrutinized by journalists. They put them through a ton of scrutiny. Meanwhile, bad actors and foreign bad actors are allowed to roam free. What i think should happen is a more logical approach to handling political speech specifically from candidates and Political Parties on the platform not unlike what we see with tv, radio and postal mail. You mentioned that one of your concerns about facebook is that their algorithm tends toward people that are sensational and outrageous. That tends to benefit someone like President Trump who engages in a spirited fashion. If that algorithm is rewarding President Trump, what are the solutions to that . It is important to take the question away from the who benefits and who doesnt. Candidates and campaigns for the president , senate, congress, city council to use the same marketing techniques that Consumer Companies use to sell us dope and cars and software . Thats what is happening. You would be foolish not to take advantage of that algorithm and try to get lower rates for your advertising by exploiting that engagement. One of the problems is, we dont have any transparency of what that effect is. Research shows that the Trump Campaign spent less on facebook and 2016 comparatively her add than the Clinton Campaign because they understood how to take advantage of the algorithm. I would like to see facebook and other platforms moved to flat rates for candidates, guarantee distribution for organic posts so candidates and campaigns can get away from having to play this game of teasing the algorithm. Lets switch platforms and talk about twitter. The fixation has been on twitter and President Trump use of it. He mentioned he is very spirited on social media. Is that an asset to his campaign . It is absolutely an asset. The key to doing social media correctly is right there in the name. It is social. We have social relationships with people not brands or organizations or buildings. That is how President Trump speaks so he is going to tweet at weight. Any candidate who is running needs to have their voice on at least one social media channel. Its not about copying the all caps or branding other people. Its about the authentic voice. Theas humorous early on in democratic primary, it turned into the food network and you saw everyone in their kitchens. The point wasnt being in the kitchen, it was about engaging with your voters doing something you normally do and behaving like a regular person. If you were advising the Trump Campaign, would you give advice on how the Twitter Campaign might be influencing swing voters . Hear anecdotally that some people are turned off i the way he tweets. In general, people complain about tweets its a proxy for complaining about other things. The complaints really arent about the tweets. Right now, use the twitter feed to fire up your base. The people who were going to go talk to their friends and make sure they get everyone in our house to send their ballot. Make sure you dont let up on the gas in the final 68 days. Switching to the Biden Campaign, last week i spoke to the senior digital advisor. She talked about the fact that the voice joe biden uses in line with your guidance matches joe biden. Joe biden is wholesome, we push out wholesome content. Is that the right approach . You should absolutely use an authentic voice but they are doing in the wrong way. They dont understand the architecture of the social web. Of how information is distributed. The only way a candidate can cut through all of the noise is to surprise people. Joe biden isnt doing that. That is where they are struggling. He is not comfortable online. He is not digitally native in the way that President Trump and most of his team are. That the realization Biden Campaign doesnt understand or refuses to admit is that most voters are consuming politics as entertainment. The issues are important, but in terms of the style of consumption, it is all entertainment right now. The biden show is not binge were the. How do you match joe bidens voice with the desire to produce entertainment . Im not going to give that away this close to the election. May thatntioned in pandemic and shutdown has been a disaster for the Biden Campaign. The campaigns have been forced to go digital. Do you still think that is true . Yes absolutely. Having a couple of good weeks or that a lot of people tweeted about is fine. Underneath, you are building a Digital Infrastructure. The Trump Campaign has been doing that from the beginning. Joe biden still struggled to build the Digital Infrastructure you need to be effective and reach voters and make money. You cant catch up with that in a couple weeks. Is very hard to do in a few months. In thethe things we saw pandemic was that a lot of trends got accelerated quickly. Is virtuale campaigning, the importance of the permissionbased parking. The Biden Campaign wasnt working on that. Then they got caught flatfooted once everything went virtual and you couldnt do the traditional campaigning. You mentionedke, that something the democrats ise gotten good at [indiscernible] organizing and taking Political Action by people they already know. Can you talk about that . Organizing is nothing new to anyone who has been working in politics. It is why endorsements are important. You are using people who are influential to influence other people. What has happened in the last couple of years, technology around relational graph databases has made technical technologically relational organizing possible. There are in number of apps out there used up and down the ballot. It was widely used to help the democrats when the house in 2018. We are playing catch up on the republican side. There is a platform called sweat red. Different challenges. The story coming out of 2020 is that relational organizing is here to stay and is a proven method for turning out voters. One of the things we have also witnessed over the last few months is the rise of the lincoln project. Reporters are said to be obsessed with it. It is a group of mainstream republicans who have decided the truck should not be who have decided the President Trump should not be reelected. They are using memes and being sarcastic. Getting even though it a lot amongst the press its not the way to go. I take exception to them being republican. They are running ads against republican senators. Memes areremains that inside jokes for out groups. When youre a Mainstream Group like this disaffected republicans that are widely admired by the media and the center, you are not one of those out groups. An organization cannot create memes. Have to percolate up in the message boards, sub reddit, discord. That is one thing that the Trump Campaign does a good job of is taking sure they amplify the mean work that their supporters are already doing. Who not for People Like Us follow this minute by minute. Want aor people who signal that they are part of a group and that doesnt work from the top down. Back,t to push [indiscernible] it is a win for them because that is the audience they are trying to reach. The political elites and donor class. It seems to be working well for them. I dont think it moves votes. We only have about a minute left. You mentioned the fact that Artificial Intelligence is becoming more central to campaigning. Eventually we will cai helping to win a campaign. The capabilities that we are seeing even in the last couple of months, the pace of anyone who has been following open ai, the complexity of tasks that ai is able to do on a relatively smaller scale, we already know that ai is helping campaigns with their ad optimization. Where itsases helping with voter turnout. It is clear we will use Artificial Intelligence in the coming years to help campaigns with their prioritization and also to have better insights into their electorate and campaign. We are out of time. You have been doing this for a long time. You think the Trump Campaign has a big advantage when it comes to digital. Thank you for joining us. Thats all the time we have. Have a great day. Lets turn it back over. Thank you all. This wraps up our morning programming during the convention. To all of our guests who joined us during the conventions. We can accomplish these great things and so much more. All we need to do is start believing in ourselves and in our country again. Start believing. Is the final night of the Republican National convention. President donald trump will deliver his acceptance speech with introductory speeches. Watch the rnc tonight beginning at 8 30 p. M. Eastern. Listen on the free cspan radio app. Watch online. Offers a newsletter synopsis. Session,e evening watch cspan at 6 p. M. Eastern for President Trumps acceptance speech from the 2016 national convention. Us ning is the phone republican mike johnson, a representative from the louisiana who represents the shreveport area of louisiana. You are expecting to be in washington for the