The Public InterestLegal Foundation is dedicated to protecting the integrity of our elections and to serve as a counter to the marriott leftist groups that are very wellfunded who are filing lawsuits all over the country to try to upend the election laws of the states and just trying to serve as a balance and a counter to the increasing demands of leftist groups to change our elections ,rocess and really to eliminate their goal appears to be to eliminate all the safeguard that have been put in place in the early part of the 20th century to shift the responsibility for conducting a shins to the states from the Political Parties and to protect the right of individuals to vote, have secret ballots, to not be intimidated or harassed in voting. Our foundation is dedicated to trying to get Election Officials to clean their terminals so that are on thegible rules and to ensure that the outtion laws are carried and that every citizen who is eligible vote is able to vote with the confidence that his or her ballot will be counted and that those who are not eligible will not interfere in the integrity of the election. Host how is your foundation funded . Well, we get along. Im a volunteer. Our Little Foundation has grown, but theres been a lot of good work, it is shown how dangerously out of date the rulesroles are voting are. We try to intervene where we can and make sure theres always a voice in the process for those of us believe in Election Integrity administration being carried out properly. That votersstem feel confident about. Where are a 501 c 3 educational and publicinterest law from as the irs defines it. Host let me ask you about an cowrote, a fox news piece in april, the headline of which said coronavirus and elections, risk of voter fraud. He wrote that no one should forget that absentee valid voting is vulnerable to intimidation, fraud and chaos as all male elections move behind closed doors the on the oversight of elected. Not to mention lengthy delays in certifying questionable results. A number of primaries have happened in sven. What do you think the evidence of those primaries have borne out . I think we were very prescient in telling people what was going to happen. Byn you increase voting mail, you increase the odds of fraud and intimidation among other things. Bipartisane carterbaker cochairing commission looking at election systems across the country, and heres what they said. Remain thellots largest source of potential voter fraud. They said that in 2005. New york times in 2012 for an article about the fact that mail balloting was a huge concern and source of potential fraud. My talk about the system of election administration, were talking about people going to the polls and casting votes in a process theres no in the voting process. Voters can cast their ballot without being pressured by political parsons. You dont have those protections when you are voting inside nursing homes. Those who are most vulnerable, Senior Citizens, theres a huge concern about whether or not those people are going to be political partisan actors going into those group homes and influencing and in fact practically voting the ballots for those citizen. Concern and if you look at what happens as far as , we had an election in new york six weeks ago. That just finished counting and certifying elections yesterday. Some of is that the studies by the Election Assistance Commission and by the u. S. Postal service, which have documented just in recent weeks and days that when you vote by mail, you dont have any assurance that your ballot is actually going to be delivered to you on time and delivered back to the Election Officials on time and in fact there is a huge number of ballots that have been lost and undeliverable votes that were sent by mail. Host let me ask you about the reuters reporting on mailin voting. There piece in july said that fraud is rare in u. S. Mailin voting and here the method that vented. With the number of americans voting by mail on november 3, expected to nearly double, there in voter increase fraud. The conservative Heritage Foundation found 14 cases of attempted mail fraud out of roughly 15. 5 million ballot casts in oregon since that state started conducting elections by mail in 1998. The most prominent cases of mail fraud involved campaigns, not voters. North carolina invalidated the results of an election after officials found a Republican Campaign operative orchestrated a ballot fraud scheme. Do you think the oregon example is typical of mail and experiences in states . No i dont. I didnt hear who you said wrote that piece. Host that is from reuters. Found the media is hardly unbiased on this issue. But thats a topic for another day. Election, the Election Assistance Commission surveys all the states and one of the western they ask is of the ballots you sent out or absentee ballots requested and transmitted from the Election Officials to the voters, what percentage of those were returned to you undeliverable or not utilized or spoiled for any reason. Oregon in 2014 and 2016 did not answer the question. For some reason they didnt even respond. But in 2018 they admitted that ballots were not returned. I would be very concerned about that. There were about 2 million votes in the president ial election in 2016. Whats 2 of 2 million . 40,000 votes. I think its really important to realize that even in a state , bothashington or oregon of which had legislators decide that they would have mailin voting, it took years before they were able to get there voter rolls cleaned up and make sure the ballots they were sending where people actually lived where they said they lived. Family and yet every election even though they have told the Election Officials, their parents at a ballot for their parents and for each of their daughters even though those girls have been gone for eight to 10 years. When we haveelling a situation, there are dead people on the roles, there are not eligible people on the rolls. Our foundation did a study in one county in pennsylvania. Person was at the russia actively registered seven times. He would get seven ballots. This is what the leftwing groups are trying to happen. The post office has said its goal is only to lose 4 . Is only to lose 4 of the ballot that is sent out. That innt even reach the elections. Host airgas our guest is cleta mitchell. 202 7488000 democrats. 202 7488001 republicans. 202 7488002 independent. If you have had experience voting by mail, 202 7488003. U. S. , mailin voting. Seven states and the district of columbia you can mailin ballot. Excusetates require an beyond covid and seven states require no excuse. Wilmington. Phen in caller she kind of tapped that with who funds her group. If the male is good enough for the senses, i dont understand her position. The census is all of the above. They use mail, doortodoor, online. Workerse an army of whose job it is to know who has responded and to go back to people using various methodologies so i do think you can compare the methodology methodologies employed by the Census Department to voting. About is theerned idea that were going to flood the system, which is illprepared to handle the massive influx of voting by the, when more than half of voters in previous elections have voted in person either early or on election day. Its really problematic when you suddenly shift in the days leading up to an election, you shift the entire system to mail when the post office has already said that they are not, their goal is not even to be able to 4 iver timely the ballots of of the people. Inspectorffice general just released that only 81 of the ballots were delivered on a timely basis. If im voting, i want to make sure my vote is received and cast, i will make sure it is get ting there and counted. Host ms. Mitchell, do you care to expound upon the question of funding the caller asked about . Guest we received money and public and private individuals. It is not like we have 10 or 20 groups funded by george soros where does your money come from . It comes from foundations and individuals concerned about Election Integrity. It is not much of a secret. All of our Foundation Grants are published in the annual report that they have given us money. Host john, republican line, arlington, virginia. Caller your guests spelled out a couple of problems that we had, washington and oregon have been in the business for quite a while and still they have problems. Have this problem of vote harvesting, which north a republican had to resign because some of his supporters vote harvested, but in california they do it all the time. There is a suit to allow vote harvesting, which is a real problem. When you go to a voting booth, there are republican, Democrat Poll watchers vote harvesters are a whole different animal, and it is dangerous to democracy. I go along with her on the mail in problem i voted absentee but to dothat is ok, this on a mass basis when the country is not ready for it yet, just by example and by pratt practice, it would lead to a disaster, especially with the problem of when to the balance count when do the ballots counted when they come in . Election day . Five days later react that there is all this stuff out there and it has not been regularized. The termn mentioned voter harvesting. What is that and how prevalent is that in the United States . Guest it is illegal in many states, but democrats are filing suit to make it legal. Mm part ofbeliever, a task force our nation put together to establish standards for voting by mail. One of the standards is that the ballot, the application and the ballot themselves, should not be handled by third parties. They should go from the election board through the Postal Service to the voter back to the election boards be of the mail or an immediate Family Member is allowed to deposit those and help and assist with those, but not to allow partisans and Campaign Operatives to go doortodoor havecting ballots and third parties out after the election going to third places to try to generate more votes where they know they need them. That is what happened in california in 2016 and 2018. It seems to me, their arguments are completely contradictory. On the one hand, they say we have to have mailin voting because of covid. On the other hand, they are saying we want ballot harvesting to be legal so strangers can come to your home and collect your ballot. To me, it makes no sense. It is very dangerous, there are too many interested in new jersey, the attorney general has indicted four individuals for engaging in voter fraud in their primary, and that happened recently. Re are many interested many instances and situations where they determined where the votes are and go get them, and may be your ballots is picked up by somebody they know you are a republican and they dont want your vote delivered, your vote might get cast aside. It is a big problem when you let Campaign Workers and third parties and strangers put themselves and the law allows them put themselves between the voter and the Election Officials. Host we will go to marriott in georgia, marion in democrat line. Caller if it is a bank teller, would you close down a large bank . No. People do stupid things, but they are in a teeny, tiny minority. Let me read something i just saw if it is safe to mail tax refunds, Social Security checks, stimulus checks, drafts registrations, prescription drugs, drivers licenses or actual id used to vote, it is safe to vote by mail. Dont try to scare people. This is a small minority. They are problem people in every and that our life, does not mean you destroy the entire system. This is a good idea. I am a Senior Citizen and by god i am going to vote. Butve never voted by mail, i am going to this time because i am afraid and i want my vote to count. So i would appreciate you not trying to scare everybody. Thank you. Guest im not trying to scare people. Im telling you what the facts and statistics show. The government reports from the u. S. Post office. Hear what i am saying. The u. S. Postal service just issued a report in the last isth showing that their goal to be able to timely process 96 of the ballots, what they call political mail. That is their goal, to only lose 4 . Lets imagine that you had all mail voting in ohio in 2016. Would you like to know how many ballots in ohio in 2016 i looked this up last night. Were 5. 6 million votes cast in ohio in the president ial election in 2016. If the Postal Service is unable to deliver 4 of them, that is a quarter of a million votes. That is a quarter of a million votes, ballots that are not delivered on a timely basis. To me that is if you are all of the post office. There are jurisdictions in america, according to the u. S. Postal service, where they can only deliver 81 of the ballots. That is nearly 20 of the ballots in a given area that were not timely delivered. Given thea mitchell, increase in mailin voting because of the pandemic, does it make sense to increase resources, funding, and personnel for the post office so they can process and deliver those ballots . Office and, the post its operations are a subject for another program. I will say this. I believe very strongly one of the things that would help is if every jurisdiction will require by law to run their voter rolls through the national change of address system and remove people who have moved from their addresses. The Postal Service does maintain the ncla, the national trains of change of address registry. Not moving in great numbers because of covid. The Postal Service should be required and the election should be required to coordinate and keep running beer voter rolls through that registry running their voter rolls through that registry to stop sending ballots to people who no longer live where they may be registered to vote. Congress has made several billion dollars available in the first two cares act and covid relief bills, and made money available to states to clean up their voter rolls and prepare for the election, and there really is no excuse for voter rolls to be such a mess, but the keeprats always sue to Election Officials for maintaining the integrity of their voter rolls. We know there are dead people and people who have moved and people who are not citizens on the voter roll, suspending a ballot to everybody on the voter roll is a huge problem because it clogs the system and gives people the opportunity to vote ballots they are not legally qualified to vote with. Host the London National says this about that the only beason someone should purged from the voter records as if they are dead. What right do you have to purge them, no matter how infrequent they vote, other than Voter Suppression . Ryan is next in hackensack, new jersey guest sameday bytes have this ration so that clogs the system as well. Is Voter Suppression to enforce the law and make sure only citizens, living people, and people who live where they are registered to vote, that is Voter Suppression, that is ridiculous. Host brian, you are on the air, hackensack, new jersey. Caller it is hackensack, minnesota. Host go ahead. Guest caller i get an absentee ballot in vote. I had to finded, elected officials, and affected i had to find an elected official, i had defined them, they put me in a room where i could vote and they verified my application and stuff. They signed that ballot and i