Organizations magazine asking the question, what is american conservatism. Tell me about this project . Mr. Burtka thank you so much for having me on, susan. I conceived of the project because there is a lot going on in our country right now and it is unsettling times for a number of americans. Everything having to do with the covid crisis, to the lockdowns, to the killing of george floyd and subsequent protests and riots, and the president ial election. So a lot of people are taking the opportunity to really reexamine first principles, and trying to figure out where we stand as a nation. And people on the right at the end of the president s term as the end of the president s term comes into focus are asking themselves what is conservatism . Has the president made an impact on the overall trajectory of the conservative movement and the Republican Party . So i want to take this opportunity to reexamine those fundamental questions. Back in 1964, there was a seminal book called the federalist papers which examined the federalist papers of conservatism which examined the definition of conservatism. That was put together by frank meyer, bill f. Buckley, a lot of conservative luminaries. And it came out in 1964, about six months before the president ial election when Barry Goldwater was a republican candidate. And it designed to really be a book to pull together disparate strands on the right and hopefully bring them into one camp that would eventually coalesce into a vibrant Political Movement. It did not succeed in 1964, but they did succeed at least at the ballot box with the election of Ronald Reagan. So i feel like we are in a time of transition on the right right now and we are figuring out where we are going to go. And it might not translate into an electoral victory in november, but really what we are doing is looking at the Bigger Picture in sort of examining the roots of where america should go as a country and what conservatism has to say about that. Susan if one searches top conservative magazines on the internet, there is a group called thought company, which ranks your public agent number three and wrote this description. It is the magazine for the disenfranchised conservative, the one who was uncomfortable with the rash of false conservatives who have come to dominate the movement. Does that definition square with how you think of yourself . Mr. Burtka i think that is pretty accurate. We were founded i n2002 as a group of conservatives opposed to the war in iraq he wanted to advocate for realism and debt that wanted to advocate for realism and restraint in American Foreign policy. And at the time that went against the grain of republicans in d. C. , specifically those connected to the bush and ministration. The focus is even broader than Foreign Policy. It was to reexamine the questions that we believe have been ignored by elites in both parties since the end of the cold war. Theres a confidence, a hubris after the end of the cold war, so we wanted to examine questions not only relating to Foreign Policy, but also relating to the economic structures in our country. We wanted to essentially advocate for conservatism in an america that promotes a healthy middleclass and strong and vibrant local communities and families. So we continue to do that. I would say that with the election of donald trump in 2016, we have then been able to shift from being off on the side, sort of critical of where things are, to being more of a major player in terms of participating in the national conversation. Because with the election of donald trump, interestingly enough, at least in the conservative intellectual world, reopened a host of new questions. It has allowed us a real opportunity to shape the future of the right. Susan how are you organized and funded . Mr. Burtka we are funded by donorsupported predominantly. 92 of revenue comes from donors. We have a 2. 5 million budget. We produced a print magazine six times a year. We have about 30 stories a week on the website. Then we also do a number of educational programs. We have about 10 conferences and panel events a year across the country on different issues that we focus on in the magazine. And we also have a constitutional follows Program Fellows program that we host for young, midcareer professionals on the hill. Susan and who are some of the people that our viewers would recognize that are associated with the american conservative . Mr. Burtka that is a great question. In terms of our advisory board, we have fox news host Tucker Carlsen on the advisory board. We have a scholar at the American Enterprise institute. Erad from hills oak college. We have a nice mix. We have our founders, pat buchanan, and a number of other voices that we have pulled on along the way. Susan in your essay and contribute into this seminar, you go through a brief history of the modern conservative, American Conservative Movement. And i want to do some of that with you during our hour together. You wrote, and it caught my attention, before we can understand the nature of american conservatism and its relevance for today, we must first define what we mean by america and what we mean by conservatism. Ok, so i will bite. Lets start with conservatism. What is it . Mr. Burtka to me, conservatism is an active thing, it is a practice more than it is an idea. From my perspective, conservatism is the practice of conservation and cultivation. So then the question is what course are we conserving . As americans, i think it is conserving the great traditions throughout our countrys history. That goes back to the founders. Even before that to the first settlers that came to this country. It also goes back to the great statesman. There has been a tendency within conservatism to say that conservatism or america is only an idea, and it is an idea it we can replicate and export all over the world. Unfortunately we have attempted to do that through our Foreign Policy quite often and it has gone awry. So i think conservatism is more than just an idea. It is really the stories and the people that have taken part in the wonderful history that we have here in america. And it also stretches back to the judeochristian foundations of western thought, and grecoroman traditions going all the way back to aristotle to thomas aquinas, all the way throughout the medieval tradition and culminating in america. Susan and how do you define america . Mr. Burtka how do i define america . Well, i think it is important to understand that america, as i said, it is not only an idea, it is a place. It is a place that we call home in a place that we love. And there are basically, its a place and its an experiment in ordered liberty and virtue. And we have had successes and failures throughout our history. We have seen the scope of government grow, and contractor small periods of time. The important thing when we are looking at america from a conservative perspective is the goal is to really take the best of our traditions and apply them to the future. So its not only a backwardslooking exercise, it is a forwardlooking exercise trying to cultivate ideas from the past and implement them now in order to have a more just, equitable, virtuous, and free society. Susan on that note, you wrote the first task of conservatives is to take stock as it is, not as they imagine it to be. What are you saying there . Mr. Burtka what i am getting at there is much of the conservative movement had the goal of dismantling the new deal programs that were started under fdr, because they inevitably led to what conservatives like to more inclusive. When i was reaching out to people to write for the symposium, i initially gravitated toward those who are the editors of magazines and publications on the rights today or those who lead think tanks or institutions. Tend tous on the right be males and tend to be older. , in terms of a successful longterm project, i think conservatism would do well to cultivate more voices from more diverse backgrounds. I think that is definitely something to work on. How does that happen . How does that happen . That is a good question. I think it comes down to ultimately, it comes down to relationships. Anis less a result of intentional effort to exclude hispanics in the conservative movement. It really comes down to relationships and people tend to congregate with people who act like they do and travel in similar social circles as they do. It really probably sprung up more organically in that respect. Best place to start is by being intentional about cultivating lake jiujitsu people that might not be in the Current Group of conservative intellectual thinkers and bring them on board that way. As you did in the magazine, i wanted to mention a brief history of some of the stages of american conservativism in the United States during the 20th century. It had its roots in the mid20th century. Tell me how it got started. As anservatism really intellectual and Political Movement really began as a pushback against collectivism and against the new deal, seeing it as a violating constitutional principles and sort of an overgrowth of government. Then it began to morph with the challenge that we had against communism overseas and seeing the influence of communist thought, particularly on american intellectuals and american publications. So it really started off as sort of a quirky intellectual movement, with a few political figures pushing back against collectivism at home and abroad. And really some of the seminal moments were the publication of Russell Kirks the conservative mind, which famously tried to not pigeonhole an ideological definition of conservatism, but took examples of servant of conservative statesman throughout history and basically painted more of a conservative disposition than an ideology. Then, of course how the founding of National Review magazine back in 1955 by william f. Buckley jr. , which really began to sort of bring these diverse camps into play. And it wasnt only those pushing back against Big Government or the soviet union. You also had traditional and religious conservatives that tended to have not only social conservatism, but also many of them were catholic, so they had a sense of piety for the great saints and teachers throughout church history. So you have the economic conservatives in one camp, you have the social and traditional conservatives in another camp, and then you had the Foreign Policy hawks that were concerned about the soviet union and in another camp. And then you also had a disaffected people from the left who were concerned particularly about the soviet union and the calledr, who are now neoconservatives. A commentary magazine when that was founded, fusing into the conservative movement that really coalesced around the reagan presidency. Susan you mentioned some of the founding lights of american conservatism. I want to show people two of them that you just mentioned so we can see and hear some of these people and hear their thinking. Lets begin with a clip from russell kirk later on in his life, june 4, 1980. This is from the cspan archives. Lets watch. American intellectual renewal of conservative ideas beginning around 1950 was typically unorganized and undirected, with isolated individual scholars and men of letters only slightly acquainted with one anothers work, let alone enjoying personal acquaintance. Take the names of men whose books who obtained some attention shortly before 1950. Francis wilson, william buckley. When i published my book, the conservative mind, in 1953, i did not know any of these gentlemen except weaver. No one had met one another, but with two exceptions. No two of them agreed perfectly about anything not even the word , conservative. Susan talking about how this movement got its start. He essentially thought people on the right trying to dismantle or do away with things like Social Security or other government programs, he thought that they were utopian in their outlook. Mostly because he said these are programs that your ordinary americans, middleclass americans, workingclass americans, they like them. They provide an extra degree of security and support. They have been embraced in the american consciousness, and it would be political suicide for no matter the, orty, to try to remove dismantle those programs. I think, while eisenhower was certainly he said he was the latter. So i think the relationship between those two president s and the formalized conservative movement was a bit tenuous. At best. Susan how important was senator robert taft to the conservative movement in the 1950s . Mr. Burtka he was very important. He was held up as a model, an ideal statesman, pushing back aggressiveore approach to morgan policy. He was a staunch defender of individual liberties, constitutional government. So i think to many people in the conservative movement, and certainly to many people at the american conservative, hes a model that we have held in high esteem. Susan you mentioned william f. Buckley, and we have a clip from him from 2002. Lets listen and we will talk about his legacy in the conservative movement. Liberal istally, a less anchored than the conservative. In what we like to think of as central and fixed ideas. Having to do with liberty and with order, with transcendence. The liberal fancies himself a more empirical, less tied down to any orthodoxy. And very hospitable of the idea of the state being used as an instrument by which to make human progress. Susan first of all on his point, liberals are less anchored than conservatives, do you agree . Mr. Burtka i do not agree with that sentiment in one sense. I dont agree because at least liberals today maybe at the time, i think this statement ld be true, but today [indiscernible] a neutral Public Square where Diverse Voices can engage in free speech and debate. I think the very positive ideological component driving liberalism today in america. And i think whether it comes to sexual ethics, or a view of americas history and founding, i do not think it is liberal in the classical sense anymore. I think there actually is an anchor of positive ideology. It is one i disagree with, and i think it is one that is counter to a conservatism that really anchors itself in history and tradition, but i certainly think that there is an anchor behind how the left sees the world today. Susan and what is william f. Buckleys legacy to the movement . Mr. Burtka well, his legacy is that he ran and founded the most influential conservative publication of the 20th century that exerted a great deal of influence on republican politics. So in that sense, i think it is a positive legacy. But at the same time, i think there are some pitfalls. I think he over emphasized the importance of politics and electoral victories at the expense of other cultural concerns. I think the magazine, National Review, towards the end of its life, i know that buckley came to regret supporting the war in iraq. But he and his magazine in some sense led the charge of leading the United States, or encouraging the United States to pursue a regime change in iraq. They may not have been as unified in their support of the iraq war as bill kristol and the weekly standard, but i think they were certainly complicit in that, and also complicit in sidelining dissenting conservative voices throughout the history of the conservative movement. And i think if they were slightly less ideological and had been open both more intellectually and also in terms of dissenting voices, buckleys legacy would be more positive today. I think you can see in some sense the election of donald trump as a repudiation of the defusionist synthesis that buckley championed at National Review. You see today on the right, a shift away from especially from free trade in terms of especially visavis china, supporting more of an economic nationalism or economic patriotism. You see a greater skepticism of foreign interventionism. And you seem more concerned not only about Big Government but also about big business. And those, in many respects, run counter to buckleys legacy at National Review. At the same time, i think he was also a brilliant intellectual and a scholar and a writer. So if he were around today, i also think he would adapt to the times and the new challenges. And i hope he would be less perhaps ideologically rigid than some people would like to think. Susan you mentioned his emphasis on the ballot box. The conservative movement got his first run at the white house in 1964 with the campaign of senator Barry Goldwater of arizona. We have a much wellknown clip from his acceptance speech in 1964. Lets listen and we will come back to you. Let our republicanism so focused and dedicated not be made fuzzy and frugal by unthinking and stupid labels. [applause] i would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no right. [cheers and applause] thank you. And let me remind you also, that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. Susan people followed Richard Nixon as he gave that speech. What does that mean to you today . Mr. Burtka yeah. That certainly is a powerful quote. I think there are some flaws with it, though. I think the mindset first, i think the flaw from a conservative perspective is that prudence is really the pinnacle of virtues when it comes to conservatism. And so, extremism, you know, in pursuit of liberty, is a bit of an oxymoron. I think it is important to have strong convictions, to have a clear sense of where you want to go as a culture and as a society. But i think ultimately, extremism, as he describes it, needs to be tempered with prudence, and also what is actually politically possible. And obviously in terms of winning the election, that message did not quite work for him. At the same time, it did spur an intellectual and Political Movement that was later taken up by Ronald Reagan, who i think was a far more effective messenger in terms of packaging the ideas of liberty. But he made them not sound extreme, but he made them sound palatable and even attractive to ordinary middleclass americans. So i think that was reagans virtue. And yeah, so thats where i would take that quote. Susan lets listen to Ronald Reagan in his press inauguration address in 1981. And hear how he described his goals. Our government has no power except what is granted by the people. It is time to check the growth of government, which shows signs of having grown beyond the consent of the governed. It is my intention to curb the size and influence of the federal government and recognize the distinction of powers granted to the federal government and those reserved to the states or to the people. [applause] susan john burtka, how did Ronald Reagan govern versus his ideals when he got into office . Mr. Burtka well, i think that he found out it is a lot harder to scale back the federal bureaucracy in washington than he may have thought. I do not think he was naive against the monumental challenge he was up against. He certainly cut taxes and used deregulation and other things to free and unleash the economy in a way that i think was quite successful. But i think in terms of taking a look at the federal government, the bureaucratic apparatus, and really making meaningful reform, i think he came up a bit thin. And i think that is because the Administrative State has a life of its own, and it has entrenched bureaucratic interests, and congress is not as they are content passing off a lot of the legislative responsibilities to the Administrative State. And even someone as great as Ronald Reagan ultimately he was successful in terms of well, certainly in Foreign Policy with communism and the end of the cold war he was successful. But in terms of really reigning in the power of the federal government, he helped to delay expanding growth but he was not able to stop it, let alone cause it to go into retreat. Then it became known as reagan revolution. You write in the decades after the reagan administration, american conservatism became unmoored from its intellectual forebears. Mr. Burtka it lost the glue that held it together. As i mentioned before, you have the different coalitions. The Foreign Policy hawks, the social conservatives, and the economic libertarians. And i think political coalitions form primarily on account of external threats. So you have people banding together who find themselves more like each other than the people that are opposing them. So they come together, they work on a joint project, and they succeeded. But after that success happened, i think they lost the villain that really kept them all in the same camp together. So i think you saw after that a search, essentially, for a new bogeyman to hold the conservative coalition together, which i think was a mistake. Because i think it is perfectly fine for disparate groups to come together to achieve a specific purpose and then go separate ways and form new coalitions with new groups. But you saw, after 9 11 and the war on terror and the war in iraq, i think there was an attempt to make islamic terrorism the new soviet union, the new glue that could hold together the disparate conservative coalitions. And i think that ended up being a failure. Not because something needed to be done about 9 11, but i think the response was to look for a new monster that could really unite people together, and it turned out to be not working out so well. That did not work so well for the over 500,000 iraqis that ended up losing their lives, and it did not end up working for the population of christians in iraq. There were 1. 3 million christians in iraq prior to the war, and now there are about 300,000 less. Many of them were displaced or moved, and some of them were certainly killed. So i think this is a case where there is a zeal to find something to hold the coalition together, a zeal to find an entity that is threatening america, but it really lacks humility, and also the prudence, the exercise of prudence. When you take a look at the world, this is what i mentioned before about seeing the world as it is. Often times, you may have a so i think this is a case where there is a zeal to find something to hold the coalition together, a zeal to find an entity that is threatening america, but it really lacks humility, and also the prudence, the exercise of prudence. When you take a look at the world, this is what i mentioned before about seeing the world as it is. Often times, you may have a situation where you have a dictator like Saddam Hussein and people really suffering beneath that dictator. But overthrowing the dictator leads to anarchy, which is worse. So i think that is where the principles of humility and prudence really come into play. So i think looking forward now, its interesting seeing, can there be anything that holds this conservative coalition together . Is that really the right way to be thinking about things on the right . Susan before we bring this conversation into today, i wanted to learn more about yourself. You talked earlier about the need to bring more young people into the movement. How did you get involved . When did you first decide you were a conservative . Mr. Burtka for me, it really began with my family upbringing. My parents. My father worked in the Auto Industry in detroit. And when the Auto Industry ended up going south, he took our life savings and poured it into a small business. A small winery in michigan, which is a thing. So i sort of began to learn the conservative principles really instilled through my family, through entrepreneurship and localism, engagement with the local community and our local church. And worked there for pretty much every weekend from when i was 12 years old behind the counter all the way through college. And when i went to college, ended up going to hillsboro college, which is pretty well known as one of the more conservative universities in the country. Funny enough, when i first arrived there, i knew very little about the conservative intellectual tradition, or really about the western heritage. And it was at hillsdale that i had the opportunity, really for the first time, to do a deep study of the great books, going all the way back to aristotle, and all the way up to the founders and contemporary American History. So hillsdale was really the transformational experience in terms of intellectual conservatism. From there, i ended up studying theology in france for a year, was able to practice my french skills for a bit, then came back to the United States on the east coast and decided that i wanted to get back into the conservative intellectual movement. And the president of hillsdale helped me to get my first job at isi, which, interestingly enough, isi was an Organization Also founded by william f. Buckley junior, dedicated to promoting the conservative and tradition on College Campuses throughout the country. And it was when i was at isi doing fundraising, helping to find donors that would support conservative journalists, that is where i discovered the american conservative, because i was reading nearly every conservative publication and raising funds for student journalists and recent graduates at those publications that the american conservative really jumped out to me as one conservative publication that was unafraid and willing to buck the trends of the Republican Party, and see things through fresh eyes. So that is what drew me to the american conservative. I started out overseeing the Development Side of things, and then my role has grown and expanded, so that now i am overseeing the whole thing. Susan we have in our Video Library the president of hillsdale from september of 2016 talking about its course of study. I would like to show that to our audience so they can learn more. [video clip] the subject matter of the college is the ultimate things. The ins of life, the things for which we live our lives. And those are things that are identified in the classical and medieval and renaissance literature, and some modern literature, as being the things that are good simply for their own sake, and there is nothing that you could add to them to make them better. I teach aristotle ethics here and i love to teach ethics as much as anything i teach. And the kids love it. All the kids read the first book, ethics, before they come here for their freshman year. In we send them a book, and say read this. And then the rest of the four years is to come to understand what that and things like that mean, including any natural sciences, which are very strong here. Susan american Higher Education has tended in the last couple decades towards practical skill building rather than foundational learning. When you left college, how did you feel that this kind of education supported you for the life you wanted to lead . Mr. Burtka thanks, that is a great question. I felt like my education at hillsdale really gave me a comprehensive, but not exhaustive, a comprehensive understanding of the human person, the dignity of the human person, and also our place within the greater context of American History and western history. So i left college not with a particular skill set in terms of job skills, but with a greater perspective to understand what the human person is, what is the good, what is the purpose of human life and life together in society. And one lesson that i drew, especially from his class which he mentioned, is the idea that where there is justice, friendship is still needed. But where there is friendship, justice is not needed, because friendship people who are friends with each other and up end up treating each other justly. I think that is one of the great challenges that our country is going through now. Theres an understandable push for justice, but i think given the atomization and the isolation that has been part of American Society for the last 10 or 20 years, thanks in large part to technology, but which is now exacerbated by the virus and the subsequent shutdown, i think it is important to remember that its really friendship that holds cities together and holds countries together. And if we had a greater emphasis on that, we would do better as a people. So i really left feeling like i was equipped to do anything and learn anything and take on any challenge that might come my way thanks to mentors and people who have been willing to give me an opportunity to do that. I have been able to grow my career and my personal and professional life because of it. Susan lets spend our last 13 minute with thoughts about today. What do you see the 2016 election of donald trump of being all about . Mr. Burtka i think it is about four things really. First and foremost, it was about the failures of American Foreign policy and american empire for the past 30 years. President trump on the stage in south carolina, probably the first republican candidate to publicly denounce the war in iraq, perhaps with the exception of ron paul, but that was not taken that seriously. He was written off by rudy giuliani. I think challenging the overreach of American Foreign policy. I think trade policy, specifically globalization and china, and the impact of losing 100,000 approximate factories since china joined the wto in 2000, which ended up in many ways exacerbating things like the opioid epidemic, and stems of frustration and despair felt in many communities that once relied on those manufacturing jobs. I think it was about immigration, particularly the impact that Mass Immigration had on driving down workingclass wages, and the frustration over that. And then i also think it was about political correctness, and a fatigue that ordinary americans felt being lectured at by Corporate America and the hollywood. And by hollywood. And i think donald trump, despite the fact that he was often quite crude in his denunciations of political correctness, he hit a nerve and challenging that. In challenging that. So i think it was those four issues that led to his victory in 2016. Susan lets listen to donald trump in his inaugural address. We are issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every foreign capital, and in every hall of power. From this day forward, a new vision will govern our land. From this day forward, its going to be only America First. America first. [applause] susan is America First consistent with conservative thinking . Mr. Burtka i think it depends how you define it. But i certainly think it can be consistent. And i think it is a healthy alternative to george w. Bushs second inaugural address, which had very much a utopian vision of American Military might bringing democracy throughout the world, particularly in the middle east. So i think if America First means that we still engage and have allies and friendly relationships with other countries, but we reprioritize our Foreign Policy decisions, our economic and trade decisions, decisions about immigration, decisions about taking care of those who are suffering and those who are hurting in our own country over the interest of global capital, and over the interest of the militaryindustrial complex, then i think America First is very much consistent with conservative principles. Susan you mentioned how important it was for friendships which proceeded justice for all. Donald trumps twitter feed and many of his speeches are very tough on his adversaries. How do you think that has worked to advance the principles of the conservative movement . Mr. Burtka well, i think, to me, the lesson to draw from donald trump is that the policy threefold, i guess. The policies, i think there is a debate going on whether donald trump won because he was brash and his style of pulverizing his enemies, is that what got him elected, or was it the substantial issues his campaign raised . I saw in the second camp that gave those four issues i mentioned, that is key for victory. But the lesson to draw from his style is there are a large group of americans who feel like they have been left behind. The president talked about american carnage in his inaugural address. And i think a lot of people just want to go on thinking everything is great in the country, and have not paid attention to that style and majority of people. That silence majority of people. And i think those people are looking for someone who fights for them. So to the extent that trump is combative, i think there is something that resonates about his willingness to fight. But i will say that it is his style that is problematic where he relentlessly attacks people. And it oftentimes does not produce any political gain or any concrete victory for those people who supported him in 2016. So i think it is one of those things where i understand the importance of fighting for middle america. At the same time, i think you need to pick and choose your battles, and you also have to show charity, because that is a conservative principle and also a christian principal. So i think it would be foolish for conservatives to jest in that. Susan as we look back over the 70 years or so of the American Conservative Movement in this country, we see the growth of government both by the size of federal expenditures, and also the growth of federal debt. Now, the problem with this is it is just hard numbers, it does not say percentage of gdp, which i know is important. But you can see in both charts, that the numbers keep rising as the decades go along. So the question is, if the size of government has been an organizing principle of conservative movement, how effective has it been over the past 70 years . Mr. Burtka not very effective. Unfortunately, its something that seems to have a life of its own and it continues to grow. And it seems like you can only slow the expansion of debt and the growth of the federal government. You cannot ever really reverse it. So i think this is something that conservatives really need to have a serious look at. I think slowing the debt and coming up with strategies to mitigate it is worthwhile, but i think conservatism needs to be more than on one side growing the gdp, and on the other side, reducing the federal debt. Conservatism has to do with the human person, it has to do with culture, friendship, and local tradition. And there are a great many local traditions throughout america that are worth conserving and protecting. And it is about family, too. So sure, those things can be part of the conservative project, but if they are the only reason for the project, then i think conservatism is a failure, and deserves to be one. Susan in this exercise you are going through to reexamine in american conservatism, you write that throughout American History, americans have turned to the federal government during times of crises. Can american conservatism survive coronavirus, where people are looking for the federal and State Governments for a solution . They are looking for big pharma to supply vaccines and medication, and looking for International Cooperation to share results of studies. Mr. Burtka you cannot have american conservatism without america. So there are certain situations where there is a crisis that is so large, that the federal government or the State Government needs to take action and in taking action, they are actually able to preserve the country and the people who live there. So i would not be dogmatic about the need to use political power in cases of emergency. However, i am also skeptical of whether or not that political power and the money that is expended actually goes to support working middleclass americans and families. I think there is a tendency for bailouts to go to the large corporations in the form of cronyism and people who have the power to lobby funds. I would say in theory, i support using political power to address national crises. But in practice, im skeptical of how it plays out. So i think we need to be careful to rush to use political power if there are other options on the table. Susan the impetus for our conversation was the summer issue of the american conservative magazine, which you are now editing for your organization. And the seminar on what is american conservatism. You have kindly made a link available for cspan viewers who want to see more of what you have done in this magazine. What will they find on that link . Who is there . Mr. Burtka if they go to that link they will find 22,000 word essay responses to the question of what is american conservatism. The overall tone and consensus is really tapping into the new things i am talking about going on in conservatism. But we have a diverse array of voices from people who are conservative nationalists, to people who are conservative local lists, to others who think that conservatism and the conservative process is a failure. To others who think that conservatism is really about a more christian, humanistic vision of learning to Love Thy Neighbor and practice charity. So we have a great spectrum, and i think it will be really helpful for people looking to understand just what the heck is going on in conservatism since the election of donald trump, and what we can expect from the conservative movement in the posttrump years to come. Susan and what do you think will happen as a result of this exercise . Mr. Burtka well, i hope that we can bring more conservative and more americans, generally, of both political parties, to support a political and cultural agenda that strengthens the american middle class, that strengthens the american family, that restrains our utopian Foreign Policy, and that promotes trade and Economic Policy that really can support americans. So, thats my goal. Susan mr. Burtka, thank you very much for spending one hour with cspan. Mr. Burtka thank you very much, susan. Announcer all q a programs are available on our website or as a podcast at cspan. Org. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] morning, the Associated Press chief Congressional Correspondent talks about potential congressional action on the fifth