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7488003. Or you can join us on twitter, cspanwj, or facebook. Com cspan. We will get your thoughts here in just a minute, but first joining us on the phone here is lawrence hurley, a Supreme Court correspondent. What was the question put to the courts and what did they decide . Guest thanks. The question is whether sex discrimination within the title vii, which is the federal law that bars employment discrimination, whether sex discrimination applied to Sexual Orientation and gender identity. The court in the ruling ,esterday said that it does which was surprising to some because you had chief Justice Roberts and justice and neil gorsuch joining the four liberals, as you mentioned, in that ruling. The court basically said that any kind of discrimination on the basis of sex is kind of a broad concept and that can include elements of discrimination that concern Sexual Orientation or gender identity. It reads prohibits employment through discrimination based on color, sex, andigion, national origin. I want to read origin. I want to read what Justice Gorsuch wrote in the majority opinion. An employer who hires an individual for being trans vendor, host what do you make of his thoughts here . Guest discrimination based on Sexual Orientation is itself kind of intrinsically connected with sex discrimination. For example, if you discriminate against a woman in a relationship with another woman, part of that discrimination is the fact that you are saying she is not acting as you think a woman should act and that that itself is a form of sex discrimination. The minority opinion, written by alito and thomas, they wrote there is only one word for what the court has done today, legislation, more brazen abuse of our authority to determine statutes is hard to recall host what is their thought here . Theory puthe same forward by the Trump Administration and the lawyers of the case, when the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964 to bar sex discrimination, no one really thinks that anyone who voted on that thought that they were also banning discrimination based on gender identity or Sexual Orientation. So the justices there are saying , you know, that the court is basically rewriting the law, adding in elements that were not there when it was passed. Thats a position that Justice Gorsuch in the majority opinion completely rejects, saying he doesnt really care what the congress thought when they passed of the law, what he cares about is what is written on the page in the text of the statute. As i mentioned earlier, his rationale for why gender identity and Sexual Orientation fits in the law is based on the text of the statute and not in the minds of the congress at the time. Mean fort does this other cases related to this . What could happen next . What are you watching for . In terms of the context of lgbtq rights, this could have implications that are broader because of signum similar language in other federal laws, cases saying that sex discrimination also includes gender identity and sexual education, in, say, health care and other things. Those will be contested. It also may be that beyond that, this doesnt necessarily say much because Justice Gorsuch and the chief justice are not necessarily going to go the same way on. And theres a big case coming up in the fall about religious defenses to these types of claims and the court could well go quite differently in that case. Want to get viewer reaction to the Supreme Court decision. If you live in the Eastern Central part of the country, the , mountain02 7488000 pacific, 202 7488001. The court was also asked to examine qualified immunity for Police Officers. What happened . And what does it its a Legal Defense that Police Officers can assert when they are accused of violating civil rights, allowing them to avoid a lawsuit in some situations where the court finds that there was a constitutional violation, they can get off the hook if the law isnt found to be clearly established as such at the time of the incident. This is something where it reuters we were working at a big investigation on that showing that the Appeals Court is increasingly granting qualified immunity to Police Officers in Excessive Force cases over the last couple of years partly because of the Supreme Court intervention. Theres a lot of pressure on the Supreme Court now to take up the issue even before the recent george floyd incident and other incidents. The court had actually had a bunch of cases piling up asking them to reform and abolish qualified immunity, which is a concept that the soup in court itself came up with and is not based on any law or anything. The court yesterday actually turned away all those cases and the only dissent from that was from Justice Clarence thomas, one of the conservatives who said that he thought the court should read qualified immunity, something he has said before. But other justices were silent, including sony and sotomayor. Its unclear right now if the court in a future case might take up qualified immunity or if they are waiting now for congress to maybe do something because reforming or abolishing part ofd immunity is a the package proposals the democrats put forward in congress. So, this is a similar situation where a lot of gunrelated cases had been piling up over the last few weeks, partly in response to the courts a few weeks ago, having ruled in a gun rights case from new york, but they eventually didnt really do a whole lot in that case. So people thought maybe they would take up another gun case and the court hasnt heard a major gunwhere case in about a e aside from this new york case because the court now has this new conservative majority, there was this sense that they might be interested in pushing gun rights a bit further. So, there were a whole variety of different cases, including ones on assault weapon bands and also permitting regimes for aople who want to have handgun outside the home in the court turned those down as well. In this case, and with the qualified immunity cases, it might mean that the work is trying to move things along because they are behind schedule and had to cancel their oral arguments in march and april. It may just be a kind of clearing the decks just to keep their schedules open. But who knows. What other Big Decisions are we waiting for from them . Guest one of the big ones is the donald trump effort to rescind protections for the dreamer immigrants, people brought to the u. S. As children illegally. Which donald trump has been trying to rescind. It was put on hold by the Supreme Court, the court is going to decide whether he can and that ruling is due in the next couple of weeks. Theres also an Abortion Case where a challenge to an abortion restriction in louisiana could give the signal as to whether the court is going to pay her back on abortion rights. And then there are two big cases on President Trumps financial efforts to shield those records from scrutiny by congress. These big cases are coming up in the next few weeks. Host lawrence, thank you so much for the update on what the court decided yesterday and what is to come from the high court as well. Appreciate your time. Guest no worries, thanks a lot. Host turning to all of you, we are focusing this morning only on the Supreme Court 63 decision where they wrote that the 1960 four Civil Rights Act, title vii, protects lgbtq workers from discrimination. Your thoughts on that this morning . James is in seattle. James, good morning. What do you think . Caller thank you. I feel like the constitution is obsolete and was obsolete from the very drafting of it. It can be interpreted to mean anything. The bible and the constitution. We have had all kinds of decisions under the constitution. The dred scott decision, plessy versus for consent plessy versus ferguson. You can justify just about anything you want. The only thing that matters on the Supreme Court is the number of judges. , it can bet i mean legal or not legal if they vote. Which one is right, which one is wrong . Neither one. Same with slavery. It was legalized. You can legalize anything based on what im saying and you can criminalize anything. This is the reason why Mitch Mcconnell and the republicans fight so hard for the Supreme Court and the white democrats, they dont care, it helps all white people and helps maintain white supremacy. Its like we were seeing with Police Brutality and different types of stuff. Host heard your point, but for this case, this case yesterday, the 63 ruling the Associated Press said that the outcome is expected to have a big impact on the estimated 8. 1 million lgbt workers across the country because most states dont protect them from workplace scrimmage nation and an estimated 11. 3 million lgbt people work in the United States according to the institute. Listen to what President Trump had to say when he was asked yesterday about the Supreme Court decision. [video clip] we are going to be talking about things we have been watching and seeing for the last month and we will have some solutions, some good solutions. Some of its about great people. We need great people in our Police Departments and we mostly have great people. Many of them, Law Enforcement. Better do better, even and we will try to do it fast. We will have an meeting tomorrow, a News Conference tomorrow, a lot of Law Enforcement is coming in with others and they have seen what we are doing. I have sent it around and asked for suggestions from different groups, particularly the sheriffs. We will send it to the attorney general. Ofl, you have gone to some your people with it. I think its pretty comprehensive. As you know, congress and the senate are working on something. You have two elements of the house, the republicans and the democrats each working on their own. But we can get it done and we will get it done and certainly we can add on to what we do by the work that is being done in the house and in the senate if we think it is appropriate. Maybe they can get something passed, maybe they cant, but we will get it passed and it has to be passed by one person, that person is me. We will be signing it tomorrow. Was apologies, that President Trump yesterday on the executive order that hes signing on Police Reform, also in the news, for you to know that he is going to be doing that today. It was reported yesterday that he will sign the executive order in the rose garden. Now here is President Trump on the Supreme Court decision. To the Supreme Court decision earlier today about lgbt protections under the Civil Rights Act . [video clip] i read the decision, people were surprised. But they rule and we live with the decision. Supreme court, very powerful, very powerful decision, actually. They have ruled. President trump, yesterday, on the decision. Joe, maryland, what do you say . With the agree dissenting judges. The court needs to be careful about legislating, they need to be cautious about that. I think probably the legislature will eventually broaden the , but of sex discrimination that needs to be left up to congress and not the courts. Will you think congress then take action to broaden the language to do what when it comes to Sexual Orientation, gender identity . Caller the civil rights legislation is important and it needs to be carefully decided in the legislature needs to look at that aspect of it and make the decision rather than courts expanding legislation. Host ok. This is what Brett Kavanaugh wrote, that seneca falls was not stonewall and that the womens Rights Movement was not and is not the gay Rights Movement, though many people obviously support or participate in both host that is what Justice Kavanaugh wrote. This piece, in the atlantic, it goes to the history of what was happening in 1964 and congress, when they decided to law, a threethe letter word that triggered a revolution, thats the piece from the atlantic. He writes this host a little history for you on this 1964 title vii proposal. Michael, new york, good morning to you. What do you think of the ruling yesterday . Good morning. Im very in favor of the ruling. I think, as a person of color, denying anyone Civil Liberties in the United States is reprehensible. Host ok. John, new york, good morning, your turn. Caller i agree with the Supreme Court decision yesterday. They are doing a great job. The only thing is, i have a law,ion, who is above the when Donald Trumps taxes are in the hands of the Supreme Court and no one is coming out with whats going on. The Supreme Court wont tell the people whats going on . I guess donald trump is above the law. Im looking for an answer on that. Well, yesterday Chuck Schumer called on republicans to see this decision as a moment to expandgislation to protections, not offered under current law. Heres what he had to say. [video clip] of course this has nothing to do with our attempts to pass the equality act. That would be the great leap forward on equality that we are all looking for. It passed the house over a year ago but has been gathering dust. Leader mcconnells legislative graveyard. Senate republicans are still not in the 21st century. They must think its ok to discriminate against people because of their orientation or identity. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. But maybe now the fact that even byew justices appointed republican president s believe that it was against the law, heartshat will pick the of our republican colleagues and leader mcconnell and they will allow a vote on the equality act here on the floor. Share, what do you think of this . Im in full favor of it. Activist, thelgbt news yesterday was incredible. I noticed one of the previous callers mentioned that this is something that congress should bills but the truth is, to amend these Civil Rights Act have been in Congress Since the mid70s. The most recent was passed in the house in 2019 of last year and has lingered there ever since. Its been one of those cases where congress refused to act and we had to go to the Judicial Branch to do it. Decision, a a great landmark decision. Its nice to know that we will no longer face discrimination in our jobs for our Sexual Orientation or gender identity. Its a major decision and a major victory for lgbt americans. That activists like yourself had to take this through the Judicial Branch, but what about the state legislature, on that level . Were you part of that fight maam. Ach caller yes, ive been very active in local lgbt causes here in the state of indiana. Back when we were still arguing over marriage. I let the call to get ahold of our state legislatures and pass employment nondiscrimination. We still didnt have it in the state of indiana. Some companies had it, but it was not mandated by the state. Host taking a look at the map that the the wall street journal put together, the states and light blue, based on prohibit it based on Sexual Orientation and gender identity across the board. Those in darker orange, which just looks like wisconsin, prohibit it based on Sexual Orientation only. The light green states prohibited Public Employees based on Sexual Orientation only. The orange is for Public Employees based on Sexual Orientation and gender identity. The states and gray are the states that dont prohibit employment discrimination based on Sexual Orientation or gender identity. Dan, stafford, virginia. Good morning, go ahead. Have two points, if i have time. The first one was more about parenting. Im an advocate for leave after having a child, or if you adopt a child. Im going to say that maybe male male relationships at up to children, right . For whatever organization you are talking about, if it equals that for the mother, i dont necessarily agree with that. The womans body goes through a lot of changes, physically, emotionally changed, and then there is all the chemistry going on. Equalo people to adopt leave rights for the mom, who physically had a baby and his figuring her own body back out, i dont, i dont, i think they write leave, but i dont know that it should be the same amount. As far as equal access to jobs and such . As long as you are professional, no one cares about your orientation. If you dont carry yourself in a proper way, have an unprofessional appearance, you can be, act however you want, but if it doesnt collate to a professional environment and your sexuality permeates through everything you do, maybe thats why youre not getting hired or get promoted. Etiquette has a lot less to do with orientation as it does with your professionalism. I think those things get mistaken. Those are my points. Thank you. Host ok. Rick, ohio, hello. Caller i watch all of this propaganda, the brainwashing, the dehumanizing that comes out of trim trumps behavior. Msnbc, cnbc, fox news, time warner. You people, you people even used a virus to cover up the fact that the stock market and the Oil Market Just gained 40 trillion worth of value. Yesterday the Federal Reserve bailed out the billionaires and millionaires in the Oil Companies once again and instead of you people reporting on the most incredible story in the history of mankind as far as bailing out billionaires and millionaires and using your , justto cover it all up like they have been covering it up since 1980. To dowhat does this have with the Supreme Court decision . The Supreme Court decision, the Supreme Court decision, allowing exxon to be a citizen. So, again, all you do your point, moving on. Reaction from politicians in the democratic circle went like this on twitter yesterday. Former Vice President joe biden, president ial candidate, writing that this decision is another step in the march towards equality for all, host the conservative National Review, writing on their website about this case. The Supreme Court decides who is a woman. They write this host back to all of you. St. Louis, go ahead. Wonderfulthink its a move in the right direction. I think that this country has been wrestling with human rights ever since it was founded. This idea of, even the idea of dividing the role of men and asen in society is the same theidea of dividing essential what we perceive as races in our society. The last argument you made about the man dressing as a woman and dressing in a womans bathroom or locker room, it doesnt make any sense. The reason that is even an issue is because we perceive men as being hostile sexual creatures that cannot be left alone or integrated into womens areas where there might be its bs be able to control themselves. The idea of unisex bathrooms even, this weird social designed to, what, protect women from mens sexual purview . It makes too many excuses for bad behavior. People are people ultimately. It sounds really weird to some people who are very comfortable in their social standing or gender standing and who like the privileges that come with that, but to be perfectly honest if we are going to be adults, we should be adults in the United States and in the world and just barriers stop putting and limitations on each other with regards to what we can do. Ok. frank, jacksonville, florida. Caller i agree with the ruling but im concerned with some of the frivolous lawsuits that might evolve because of the ruling. Say, for example, if someone gets barred for unprofessional ihavior, they might say that was fired because im a homosexual or imelda q tv. Thats the only concern i have with this. Know that gay people have personality disorders also. That could be a crutch. Host why do you say that . You are saying that about all gay people . Caller im saying that about people in general. If they have an opportunity to to say that i was fired because im gay or dress as a woman, they might be fired because they have a personality disorder. They might be too flamboyant for the company. That could be a concern. Ok. reaction from conservatives, Susan Collins and maine, writing that all americans deserve a fair opportunity host your reaction to the Supreme Court decision. Victor, alabama, go ahead. Victor, youve got to listen and talk through the phone. Turned on the television. Caller yes, maam, its down. Host ok, go ahead. Caller yes, maam. I would like to say that there was a caller, can you hear me . Host yes, we are listening. Caller a caller on earlier spoke the truth. He spoke about host all right, youre getting confused because you are listening to the television. A reminder to everybody that you have to listen and talk through your phone. Kathleen, saint augustine, florida. I dont understand why anyones personal life should be so public. I think that a way that a person decides to live their private life should be very private and should not be a public discussion. To findthat my right behavior other than what i consider ok to be offended is not protected. I just dont agree with people using their personal intimate lifestyle as a basis for claiming any kind of discrimination. I find that just offensive. I dont talk to people about the way i live my private life. And certainly in the workplace i would not want anybody discussing it with me or with others in a workplace in which i was a part. Host ok. Steve on twitter says host kenneth, missouri, what do you think . You can have the same rights that i do, but the transgendr lgbtq cannot have more rights than i do. Thats what i think. Host ok. David, north carolina. Decision believe this basically upholds what the country is founded on. When the signers of the declaration of independence, the document that they found said that this is a godgiven right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. What the former caller just said, it doesnt give people more rights than anyone else. It reaffirms the basic rights. As long as my rights do not impose on your rights, somebodys business, everyone should have the same rights. Right, that was david in newton, north carolina. New york times, in their piece, 63, the court rules that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects gay and transgender workers in the Court Considers two cases around gay. Ights where does the public stand . Notes itork times should be illegal to discriminate, 80 3 . Should be legal for employers to fire people based on orientation. 17 agree with that. Thats all. And you can break it down by democrats, independents, republicans. Republicans, 74 said that it should be illegal and 26 said that it should be legal to fire based on Sexual Orientation. That is one pool that the New York Times put together. Ken, hello. Called togentleman talk about exxon mobil. Its a lot of stuff going on in behind theng hidden racial divide that the media is pushing. Lgbtq rights always tied to civil rights. They hijacked the civil Rights Movement. On gay andegislation trans in the workplace, if its fitting thent, not Company Criteria and you choose to fire them or let them go, they shouldnt be able to sue. Now isything going on illuminati and getting ready for the new war, the American People had better wake up. Im serious. Host ok, ken. Breitbart. Com framed the decision yesterday in this way, donald trump accepts scotus ruling, we live with their decision. They say this about recent polls, the public wants to preserve the rules of how men and women manage cooperation and competition within the society. Laws have allowed singlesex exports, changing rooms, and showers, while protections for women like scholarships and subsidies for Women Business owners. Popular culture urges men to exploit physical advantages and but theyerous jobs, want to eliminate the. Cognition of the differences they note a poll taken in 2019. Daily caller, another conservative website, brazen abuse of authority. We are getting your thoughts on this this morning. Its a 63 decision yesterday by the court, by the New York Times, this morning, this piece, undercutting dishes ands trampy end by trump decisions championed by trump. They write this host your thoughts on this, if you live in the Eastern Central part of the country, 202 7488000. Mountain pacific, 202 7488001. We are getting your thoughts on it this morning. Keep dialing in. In the meantime, if you missed it earlier this morning, President Trump today is set to announce an executive order on Police Reform. Before he does that, yesterday he talked a little bit about what he wants to do. [video clip] we are going to be talking about things we have been watching and seeing for the last month. We will have some solutions, some good solutions. We need great people in our Police Departments. We have mostly great people. I would say that with some certainty. I know so many Law Enforcement. But we will, we will do better, even better. We will try to do it fast. We will have a meeting tomorrow, a News Conference tomorrow with a lot of Law Enforcement coming in. Others have seen what we are doing. I have sent it around and i have asked for suggestions from different groups, particularly the sheriffs. I have sent it to the attorney general. Bill, i think you have gone to some of your people with it and shown it. I think its pretty comprehensive. Congress is working on something, the senate is working on something. Two elements of the house are each working on their own. But we can get it done, we will get it done and can add it on to what we do, the work being done in the house and the senate. We think its appropriate, maybe they can get something passed, maybe they cant, but it will have to be passed by one person and the person is me. We will be signing it tomorrow. Trump on the new Police Reform executive order that he will sign today. Bill, what you make of this decision on lgbtq workers . I will just put it like this, jesus preached against solomon gomorrah. If you dont go by that, youre not living by the right standards. What doana, oklahoma, you think . Caller i think they turned into a bunch of rapists. Host why, diana . When two same gender are with each other, they are no more experimenting, they are raping each other. Caller why do you believe that . Where does that come from . Caller it comes from people who behavior. Bad thats how we have a [no audio] host moving on. Conservative justice surprises thedisappoints, thats headline on the neil gorsuch decision. Of histes for observers writing, he was showcasing his fidelity to the rules of statutory plaintext in the law championed by the late Justice Antonin Scalia of host jeanette, los angeles, good morning to you. Go ahead, share your opinion. I was trying to say that im really lost in this. When my son was adopted high, hello . Host yes, we are listening to you. Caller how are you doing . Host we heard when your son was adopted. Caller when my son [applause] [no audio] host youre getting confused, youre trying to listen through your television and your phone. Youve got to turn down the television. Greg, union city. Yes. R lgbtqk its a shame that is trying to piggyback off all the hardfought rights that my people have died for. They just spit on all the people. Hat hung from trees that died, that were sacrificed for civil rights. We have just opened up a portal for hell and its not going to stop here. Soon they will add the p word to lgbt, pet or a sexual, they make it q. Its a shame. But when you add transgendr, you can serve confuse the narrative. You dont know whether to call someone or miss or i misses a miss or a misses. Nationalnt page of the newspapers this morning, the timesal the washington. Host ken, new york, good morning. Caller thanks are taking my comment, i will make it brief. I fully support what the Supreme Court did, im pleased to see the court right the ruling. Thank you. Host why . Caller i believe that all people are equal. Someone earlier commented on the declaration of independence, that we all have the right to pursue happiness. I believe that that applies to everybody, regardless of what your gender or Sexual Identity might be. This was a great moment. Host ok. Newark, ohio, rick, good morning. Your opinion . I want to applaud the Supreme Court for rendering the decision they did. Listening to these calls coming i dont understand what people are talking about, flamboyance. Most workplaces have dress codes and such things that would cover anything like that. Should not be discriminated against and again, i want to applaud the Supreme Court for rendering that decision. Rich, tennessee, what do you think . Democrat thing a demonstrates once again is that contrary to popular opinion, conservative justices are more willing to cross lines than the liberal justices. Some research has shown that the liberal justices tend to stick together. I hate to even call them liberal or conservative, but that seems to be the way the media and the prevailing nation has said it. Depending on which president appointed them and nominated them, that is how they are going to vote. Research shows that the conservative justices actually dont toe the line as much as the liberals, who tend to vote in lockstep. And in this case i do think that it does, you know, the slippery slope comes up once again. I agree with the National Review as far as and comings deciding down on the side of gender thing. Y is a a scientifically proven thing when its not. Polygamy coming next. You are do you, if doing what makes people happy, then pretty much you are going to have to open it up to anything between consenting adults eventually. Otherwise its just going to be total hypocrisy. One other thing, if i can get it in. I noticed that, and this might be a lesson for conservatives, some of the i read some of the opinions, the opeds from yesterday. Several from the post and the New York Times, Jennifer Rubin and others, they tend to take a mocking tone towards conservatives, saying that you see if you are voting for trump or republicans based on Supreme Court and so forth, you see what coming fromu liberals who are taunting and away saying, you know, you wasted your vote. If that is what you are basing it on, you will be disappointed. I actually have to say, maybe she has a point. Anyway. I think thats about all i need to say. Onto to the next caller. Host ok. Hi, chris. Caller the decision was fine, the problem is labor rights. If they want to discriminate, they dont have to give your reason. In most western civilizations, they cant fire anyone for no reason. Its good, but they can find other things to fire you for no reason whatsoever. This decision was probably easy, but when it comes to decisions ,n abortion, Capital Financing this is just a couple of conservative judges. We shouldnt be surprised when they take decisions like this. Other news this morning, this headline from politico, amazons bezos willing to testify on the amazon treatment of thirdparty vendors, he has now agreed to testify before the. Use Judiciary Committee there will be an investigation into the hanging deaths of two. Ack men in california also reporting this morning, north korea blows up amazon blows up liaison discussion office used for talks. Good morning, jessie, go ahead. Caller i think its fine. I have a comment first and foremost, everyone should include god in their conversation. He has the last sayso in everything. As far as being gay, i mean, you live your life the way you want to live it, you know . You are still a human being. No one has the right to tell someone how they should live their life or dress. If they are happy, im happy for them. Joel, tacoma, washington, hello. Caller i wanted to agree with the first lady. Its about time that the courts made a decision on this. Slope, but slippery where do you draw the line . Maybe bs theology, drawing the line there, that might be one step too far, maybe, i guess, or polygamy or whatnot. But it all sounds great. Im really glad that they are just stepping up and the Supreme Court is doing something. 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They announced they would buy individual Corporate Bonds. That would have been unthinkable as recently as february when we were appreciating unemployment at a 50 year low. We have the economy in freefall, people unable to get back to work. Just like with the great recession, the fed is making a lot of it up as it goes along. Powell will be testifying at 10 00 a. M. , so keep your channel here. We will have live coverage here , as well, cspan radio as our website cspan. Org. Chair expect that the fed will be asked about what is next . What else can they do, do they have anything left . Guest you can take rates down to zero. That is the blunt just instrument the fed chair has. With the lessons of 20082011, you could buy bonds on the open market, mortgage bonds, treasuries, it can do so many things to conjure up money to keep rates low. Rates willph remain at zero for the foreseeable future. The main new tools, Street Lending program that lawmakers will ask about. The fed is backstopping banks that wants to make loans to mediumsized and small businesses. On the wrist,king the fed is backstopping them. Thatat the bank of japan, economy has been mired for almost 30 years. Japan, in tokyo has been buying equities. Policyows that monetary has truly come a long way in 100 years since the founding of the modern Federal Reserve. New innovativend tools. We do not know if they are going to work. We have to do it and revisit them every now and then. Host you mentioned the fed deciding yesterday it would buy you Corporate Bonds, could explain for those who dont follow this kind of policy what does that mean . Corporations just like you take out a loan, you want to hook house, you are on the to pay Interest Payments to the bank. Corporations are on the hook to pay interest to creditors. Ahead ofwell shareholders and the like. You are solvent as long as you are current on those Interest Payments. When the economy tanks and revenue takes a freefall, whether you are a restaurant change chained, you are in a crisis. You need to husband that cash and make payroll to keep the lights on. It is Crisis Management and triage. Corporate prioritize bond payments as much if you are a company. The Federal Reserve is going out there and buying Corporate Bonds in order to keep Interest Rates down and let Companies Make their not. Make their nut that telegraph to the Investor Universe that we are backing you, everything short of buying stock outright. We are given thing we are giving them cash. The Federal Reserve, i believe, has 7. 2 trillion of assets it has brought on. That is double what was there a year ago. Actionell fed in both and what is telegraphed and his comments to the public is saying we are out there, we are spending. Policy, thatiscal is up to the president and capitol hill. He can also recommend that. Host has he . Guest he has. Am doinging listen, i as i can. We havent exhausted all the plans. A 1hearing rumors of trillion infrastructure project. Degree ofeen some unanimity between democrats and republicans for the need of emergency spending, unemployment plus bonus that may or may not expire. This is an Election Year and it benefits no one to see the a column to see the economy fall into a full depression. Already you are seeing pictures of soup lines, it could be far worse. The Federal Reserve is monitoring 9 or 10 unemployment. Farzad here to talk about fiscal and monetary policies. He will take your questions and comments. East and central parts of the country, 202 7488000. Mounted and pacific, 202 7488001. What is the Federal Reserve individual for the citizen, if anything . Onst i would keep my eyes main Street Lending programs put that aside for a minute. The fed is keeping rates low. And refinanceout a mortgage, you can do that. Feel asset feel purchases or keeping a fat thumb on the scale. That keeps the system flowing and keeps the banks out there, both individuals and corporations able to make bond payments, loan payments and make payroll. There is payroll protection. Out key pico eye on main Street Lending. I would keep an eye on main Street Lending. Market,ook at the stock which was down up or it of 30 into late march, it took just a munch to fall that much, it has since rallied close to 40 largely on the backs of what the Federal Reserve been doing. We use to this idea called the greenspan put, where Alan Greenspan can bail you out. Now it is the powell put. Come hell or high water, they are going to conjure up some extraordinary Bonus Program and help individual letter individual lenders. In a transitive way, shareholders are feeling cant be far off if the fed has back Corporate Bonds. There is enthusiasm on wall street as opposed to main street. Host gabriel in greensboro, maryland. Caller thanks for taking my call. To ask the professional hear what he thinks about if he has any thoughts about cryptocurrency like bitcoin and the whole cryptocurrency and where that fits into todays market and society. Great question. Being i wish i could understand it. Its one of those things that if you can pitch it to someone in an elevator ride in theory, block chain, all of these things that are verifiable persontoperson, it is not fiat. A lot of create a lot of criticism of Central Banks is that they keep conjuring up money. What is 1 trillion between friends . I took about the fed book of acts set book of assets, critics are saying you are debasing u. S. Currency. It is being artificially distorted. They say you would be vindicated by holding cryptocurrencies. Backers of gold would say the same thing. These are very volatile things that dont neatly track the opposite of what the federal the Federal Reserve is doing. There are people swearing by it. There are people who wouldve told you years ago this would be the moment of vindication for crypto. In this case, we are plummeting 80 year highs. I think the verdict is still out. Host don in new jersey. Caller hi. I like speaking to this man because he seems to be intelligent about economic matters. Explain is there anything that is going to stop the fed from being able to Fund Anything the government wishes to do in the future . To buyfed becomes able Corporate Bonds, whats to stop it from stopping there . Why cant it buy stocks . Is the entire economy just a sickly a function of the government making money and a time it needs . It is a question. It keeps everyone up at night. If you look back at the feds theding 10 years ago during savingsandloan crisis, or what it was during the spike of inflation in the early 1980s, it is very different. I think in large part this the sizes of various crises we have seen, to have an employment go from a 50 year low to the midteens in a matter of weeks because of a shock, this virus hits and we have to shut down the economy overnight, it is not a tapering recession. Youre not a given that much warning. Not given that much warning. The Federal Reserve is tasked with keeping the economy at full employment and keeping inflation low. Otherlity, there are many things peopley expect from it. Watch the testimony today and what senators ask about income inequality and the like. That brings us back to something we were talking about 10 years ago, too big to fail. The bank said the economy over the barrel. This brings back all sorts of too big to fail questions. Economyant have an that can endure some orderly degree of bankruptcy, that sets up the fed for a bigger codependency the next time around. When we get out of the fog of crisis, you going to see critics be more vocal about it. Host you will be able to watch the Federal Reserve chairs testimony on cspan starting at 10 00 a. M. Eastern. People sit down in front of the Banking Committee. Website,atch it on our cspan. Org, or download our free radio app. Tony in rosedale, maryland. Caller how are you doing . Thatt to advance the idea with unemployment being the way it is i was wondering if the government would ever consider an idea where they anld swap out you have inordinate number of people working that would serve better to take a vacation. I was wondering if the government would consider switching out. You have a vast number of people that can work and a vast number of people that probably need time off. For aould be the prospect switch out the people that can jobs, and them the the people that need time off, let them take the time off so that the people that need to work can assume those jobs. Im talking about the window of a year. Situation ent people are a lot of money that they never use. Perhaps they could use this money with time off and people could come in and assume those jobs, and they could accumulate unemployment. Like a switch out. Host ok. Guest i have not heard that one. A lot of this is embedded in expectations. There are people who are furloughed or have had to take pay cuts, even though technically a paycheck is coming in, they are not as sure about spending it. Reconsider the people they want to hire or the car they wanted to update come over the additions to their home. A lot of that anticipation is builtin. At is there is a concern among conservatives that there are people out there, service workers, that are more content to stay out and stay unemployed and collect july, orent plus into as long as it lasts. This has been a problem for certain restaurants. Certain restaurants want to come back hesitatingly. You have half the dining room capacity but they dont need as much help so they are content to drip hours and staff back into a new normal. What happens after Unemployment Insurance is pulled away in july and suddenly everybody wants hours again . These are problems. It only becomes more intense as we approach the election. We have had these hot balkanized approach to opening. Certain states have been lets do it, others have been much more cautious. They have had to backtrack after they opened up initially and they saw infection rates go up. There are so many imports of uncertainty going into the rest of this summer. Push to ae how you onesizefitsall policy. Host cnn reporting idaho will pay people 1500 to go back to lure them offto Unemployment Benefits. You can find that on cnn. Com. Sergio from pump on a beach, florida. Today . How are we all host fine. Caller yes, i have a question. How are you . Guest how are you . Caller i am fine. My question is this, i live in florida. Covid19, how will it grow especially because they would like to know after covid19 how will it grow work . Ople that want to guest i was raised in south florida. This is a question for everybody. How do you come out of this . Ets step back for a minute maybe it is illustrative to look at starbucks, a major employer, pillar ofar of a main street life. It has been walloped. It has had to reinvent itself rapidly to be more drivethrough and pickup oriented. At announced this week that its new normal is going to entail not is the sara lee being that not necessarily being that place you can depend on battery as a people to look at us pickup and go. Brands so many brands street, theain restaurants that go through a ande of shrinking bankruptcy, how laborintensive are they going to be in the future . What you thought you needed as recently as january has been vastly reconsidered. We are leaning on zoom for meetings. These are questions that mall operators have. Overbuilttent are we and how is that going to affect affect for labor the demand for labor . There are not that many answers. We are waiting for some sort of collapse in coronavirus infections, or a vaccine. Absent that, we do not know what our normal is. To los angeles, michael is watching. Good morning. Is regardingmment the covid economy and the people who american are going to suffer mortgage losses as a result. Are nottheir rents going to be able to subsidize mortgages and banks are going to own properties. Financial crises, people went out went rifles. The dollar where the farmers bought their the farmers bought their farms back for a dollar, but the immigration policy, there are individuals that have high incomes. Youre going to see more foreign ,nvestments, personal property american property foreignowned as a result. This economy failure and how it is going to affect the American People and their personal property and businesses, i think youre going to find more foreign investment. Just like the stock market dropped and you had Foreign Companies purchase stock prices at a low price and now they are benefiting because they are outsourcing our jobs. Now is going to Service Economy and we are losing the backbone of what the American Economy was in the past century. Gloomy for the common american. The government is not helping because it identifies corporations as individuals. That is alarming. Go ahead. Guest that is a tough one. There are protests in the streets right now. Discontent as of we come out of this, Unemployment Benefits lapse, as some benefits the sugar high wears off, you will have this grinding come along recovery. Chairman powell said that himself and his comments a few days ago. There, throwing everything and then some at the problem. It seems like pennsylvania avenue and capitol hill are trying to get behind fiscal stimulus again. There is only so much you can stimulate. You have concerns about inflation, afterwards you can backstop borrowing is much as you want. If companies dont say an quate return on investment but this is just putting off a very unpleasant reckoning. Host james. Mechanicsburg comeuppance of any. Mechanicsburg, pennsylvania. Is this compensation taxable . Pennsylvania, normal unemployment, station is taxable. Unemployment compensation is taxable. Guest the big question is will there be political will to extend it past july. If my boss does not want to bring me back, i am ok with that because i can cobble together be oyment plus many plus maybe gigging that doesnt put me over a certain level. Once echoes away, you have a rush back into people reseeking their old jobs and unemployed and employers cant compensate, you will have a crunch. I will have to double check on that. I do believe it is taxable. Top the president s advisor larry kudlow predicts a v shaped recovery. What is that and what do others say about that . Guest this is one of those 24 hour stomach bugs. It is wretched, but you come out of it euphoric and you have a huge breakfast winded done. Huge breakfast when it is done. What happened is an aberration. We went from a multidecade low unemployment, almost overnight to an 80 year high. The idea that this was all a nightmare and we plumb to the bottom, the worst is behind us, people are going to see that money is cheap, stocks have already rallied, labor is plentiful, you can buy that property you have been waiting to buy, you can get a mortgage at a cheaper rate than a few months ago, and that will beget this v shape. Bounce off the bottom instead of trough and climb out after a couple of years. There is tremendous disagreement over that. We would need a lot of things to happen. Imagine if they suddenly discovered they have a vaccine and it has been tested. In no precedent have you been able to rollout a vaccine this quickly. People are saying it could take a year plus. That kind of event could help market. The fed is doing everything they can. Wait for news today from the white house on infrastructure spending. That is something that looks a bit like a new deal, spending on roads and railroads and airports and artificially creating a lot of jobs and disposable income. The verdict is out. , house springs, missouri. Caller good morning, america. Ive got a question. So greatics have been under donald trump and the Republican Party, and unemployment is at an alltime paidhow come we have not one nickel down on the national the biggesth is single Security Threat to this country . If you cant pay it down during the times, when can you . I will take your answer offline. Guest thank you. There are people and they have been unfortunately, people say they are oldtimers telling us to pay down the debt could truth be told, it is not a popular thing for the president and say theardigan debt is important. We rang up this huge debt and were profligate. Punishvestors did not us. If anything, lending rates have collapse. That is why you are seeing President Trump float the idea of a massive infrastructure plan. Unlike other countries, every time we take our eye off the fiscal discipline ball, you get punished in Interest Rates, Bond Investors demanding you loan the money. Besthasnt happened this that has not happened in this case and has sort of taken the fear of got away from the Debt Management community. I am not so optimistic. At an Economic Crises and theoretically you are supposed to plunge yourself into more debt to dig yourself out like this. Youre supposed to worry less about debt, but you are right. We were a buoyant economy at the start of the year and nobody was talking about even beginning to chisel down that massive debt. Host we will see if senators on the Banking Committee asked the same questions our viewers have been asking when the Federal Reserve chair Jerome Powell sits in the witness chair. 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Day the conversation every on washington journal. Atch anytime on demand cspan. Org, or listen with the free cspan radio app. Announcer washington journal continues. Senatorining us is Richard Blumenthal, member of the Judiciary Committee. I want to begin with the Supreme Courts 63 decision. Neil gorsuch siding with liberal justices saying federal protections apply to lgbtq workers. Guest it is an extraordinary advance, a welcome landmark decision. Somewhat surprising because two conservative justices joined the socalled liberals. Quicklytestament to how rights havely lgbtq no advanced in our society have now advanced in our society. It is based on a 1964 law that may be at the time may not be explicitly considered sex and particularly the kind of onision the court made Sexual Orientation and gender identity. A remarkableit is historic feet. Feat. Host that is the argument the justices in the minority made. Alito and thomas writing their only use one word for what the court has done, legislation. A brazen of our authority to interpret statutes. The court tries to convince readers it is enforcing the terms of the statute, but that is preposterous. As understood today the concept of discrimination based on sex is different from discrimination based on Sexual Orientation or gender identity. That the wordt is sex means Sexual Orientation and gender identity. Certainly in todays language, and probably in the minds of the writers of that law, if they had thought about what it would mean in the future. Textual is it is a interpretation, strictly textual. On defenders often rely textualism to never grow rights. Narrow rights. Here it is broadening them. That lies being interpreted according to the language of the law. Intent ora reading of divine aspiration. Proper is host how do you respond to Justice Kavanaugh wrote his own opinion, writing seneca falls was not stonewall. The womens right movement was not the gayRights Movement, although many people participate in both. Sexual orientation discrimination is another form of sex discrimination is a mistake of history. Guest lets cut through the verbiage. We know what rights mean. To discriminate based on gender identity is abhorrent. Law, you cane 1964 talk about different movements, different political leanings, but the fact of the matter is the law says no discrimination based on sex. Credit, isto its ignoring the noise and looking for the law. Ast you served five terms the connecticut attorney general, served as u. S. Attorney for connecticut, Administrative Assistant to a senator, and law clerk to harry blackmun. Legally, what you think are the ramifications . I think it is a majority of states where there are no laws prohibiting this discrimination, it will tell employers what they already know. It violates basic values, common sense, their own self interest to discriminate against a good employee simply because of this ,ind of illegal distinction based in no way on performance or value. Have the kindwill of ramifications that Marriage Equality has had. Everybody thought the world would be shaken to its core, yet,opponents said so, and heaven has not fallen. People now mary the person they love. The degree of acceptance is broad and deep. The same is true of this decision. Sweeping in its practical ramifications for individuals [indiscernible] host i want to get your thoughts on another action, they declined to hear cases seeking reexamination of the doctrine of qualified immunity. First of all, what is that . Guest the doctrine of qualified immunity is a judgemade doctrine, contrary to what defenders in the lgbtq discrimination case said. The court often does legislate. Courts write law by interpreting them. In this case, what the court said is that Police Officers are the most prominent of Public Employees who may be subject to lawsuit, cant be sued unless the claim is they violated a clearly established keyword clearly established statutory or constitutional right that a reasonable person could have known. Impact of this has been to insulate cops against lawsuits from the victims of brutality. The court said it was not going to reconsider that doctrine. A supremelaw clerk to court justice, one who has argued four cases in the Supreme Court while attorney general and followed its decision, the reason was simply, we are considering in Congress Changes to the qualified immunity doctrine. Thisourt chose, in instance, not to legislate further when the real legislators were considering major reform in the doctrine of qualified immunity. Host what will those changes be . Guest i think they should be change i think there should be changes that greatly narrow qualified immunity so as to give victims of brutality a day in court, a chance to take action against the Police Officers who have violated their constitutional rights. The the reimbursement for the Police Officers is the reformikely this kind of will operate as a deterrent to Police Misconduct. It will force cities to adopt better training, recruitment, and screening so as to avoid this kind of liability that will be increased by reform in the doctrine of qualified immunity. Dependsit will happen on my republican colleagues. I believe the house of representatives will pass the bill which includes these reforms. I support them strongly. A former Law Enforcement ,areer person, u. S. Attorney federal prosecutor, he served for 20 years as attorney general , i think a lot of Law Enforcement are disgusted and ashamed of what they have seen in these recent instances of killings and brutality. They feel there ought to be more accountability. That is the key, accountability. My Senate Republican colleagues have to adopt that view and so far they have been unwilling to do so. The president has said he is opposed to reforms in the doctrine. Your viewers, here is opportunity to talk to senater Richard Blumenthal, democrat of connecticut republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independence bank independents, 202 7488002. The George George washington is a forum on covid19 social media discrimination disinformation. What forms of disinformation have you seen . Thanks for touching on this subject which is vitally patients and consumers. We are talking about how misleading and deceptive practices spurred by this millionsare leading to tens of millions, maybe hundreds, and many billions of dollars in losses on the part of consumers. About isre talking price gouging. The n95 masks, the increases in prices without justification. The deceptive sales we have seen on google and facebook for these n95 masks. When inding as masks, fact they fail to fulfill the requirements of n95 masks. Deceptiveing, pitches. Another example that is mike peeveso to speak pet involves the false pitches for chemicals and diet supplements that actually may do more harm than good. We did a letter to the ftc complaining about these false cures. Based onook action present law against false and misleading claims, but we need from theessive action federal trade commission against these kinds of disinformation and misleading and deceptive pitches. Host host for viewers who are concerned, cspan is covering this. You can watch it on our website, cspan. Org at around 10 40 a. M. Eastern. Tony in fort lauderdale, florida. Go ahead. Caller good morning. I have a couple of questions, the first being on qualified immunity. Why would any Police Officer a of where he could be sued his home and his family destroyed for a lawful action . If they break the law, send them to jail. It is funny that senators have immunity. I cant sue you if you defame me on the floor of the senate, but a cop cannot get immunity . The comment is, i find it ironic to have somebody talking about misinformation when about your service in vietnam. Have the nerveu to show your face in public after stealing honor from people who died for this country. Guest thanks. Laste first deal with your point. I said it was a mistake, and i i servedd for it, that in vietnam instead of during the vietnam issue. Countless times when i talked. Bout it, it was a slip the fact it was inadvertent doesnt make it right, it was a believe merits an apology and i gave an apology. If you are a veteran, i apologize to you. Immunity, we need to face the , it is is not just words not just defamation, it is actually killing people. We need to change the standards to give people a day in court. You are right to refer to the standards that can be used in a criminal action against police, we want to make it easier to bring such actions by the department of justice [indiscernible] changing the standard of intent so that criminal authorities can actually bring action more readily against Police Officers. It is not just a victim heavy day in court, but also criminal actions against individuals if they violate criminal law and are wearing a badge. Thatieve strongly disinformation on the part of some of these private entrepreneurs watch to be policed more effectively on facebook,s by google, amazon, because they have a duty to protect against deceptive and misleading practices. Host senater Richard Blumenthal. Member of the Judiciary Committee. Lets hear from paul in portland, maine. Caller good morning. Host good morning. Caller a lot of people have been making comments about how we need at her training for the police better training for the police. There is a recent phenomenon that has not been discussed much. In recent years, police ,epartments across america whether it is large urban areas, or small rural areas, and that is applicants to become Police Officers has dropped significantly. This is one example. In california, there were Police Departments that on any given year will get thousands of applications for people who want to become Police Officers. A department that in the past would get 3000 applications literally getting hundreds of applications. People want to become Police Officers. , a lot of these departments have lowered their standards in order to recruit more Police Officers. Abouteople keep talking defunding the police and how we intod funnel more Money Mental Health care, it seems to firstching the news and foremost, a lot of people that need Mental Health car are the police themselves. Comment, i have been a political junkie my whole life. I am 61 years old. Watched the have senate, i have always said that senator blumenthal and Sheldon Whitehouse would make an Incredible Team as president and Vice President. I think you are both incredible men with think we need your quality to run for the highest office. Instead of people we have been getting lately. Host i will leave it there. Senator . Guest i think that is a compliment. I am assuming senator whitehouse from rhode island would be the president ial candidate and i would be his running mate. I am honored by your praise, and i thank you. Let me deal first with your point about the need to recruit the very best. As public servants. Ist we know in connecticut that more than pay, it is givent that police are and have earned our police have earned through better training. And better practices. 13 events andor observed not only the incredible passion and energy of the demonstrators, but also the Police Restraint and respect for the demonstrators. Recruiting, if think as you observed, there has been insufficient attention paid to the need to screen these officers before they wear the badge. The ones who potentially would disgrace their profession are kept out. That is as important, may be so than training. Training as about if it were onesizefitsall. The training has been improved in connecticut. The peacekeeper role of police, diffusing tension is particularly pertinent in domestic violence, but also crowd control. Less so, the warrior mentality. Unfortunately what we have seen in these most recent instances is the overreaction, lack of training, but also lack of screening as to the quality of people who join the police force. Right, sometimes Police Officers need health care Mental Health care. They are in extraordinarily stressful and demanding situations. Stress isatic commonly seen on the battlefield. Police are on a different battlefield, but often under the same kind of stresses and anxieties. The pain and grief they see, the really areey witness sources of tremendous stress for them. Pete in washington, pennsylvania. You are on the air. Caller good morning, senator. I am 78 years old. I have been through the civil Rights Movement. I remember seeing a lot of these things. I have seen a lot of things happen. Forms. E takes many i am against violence of all the Police Violence we are focused on is the only one because it gets a lot of attention. It is reported immediately. Others, not much at all. I want to make a comment, and vengeance are twins. Their appetite is never satisfied. Violent gangs that kill young people sitting at their dinner accidentally shot through the building, all kinds of violence. That we areed having violence in this country just for violences sake. Your reference to the civil Rights Movement is timely. It was effective in part because it emphasized nonviolence. Martin luther king made it a basic tenant of his movement that it would be nonviolent. A morallished credibility based on nonviolence. So have these demonstrations. They have been so powerful and peoplebecause of young leading in a nonviolent way to express themselves with passion and energy. End to systemic racism and asking us to look at racism in society in a very clear eyed way. That we need to broaden the lens to include not just Law Enforcement, where there may be still racism, but to education. The quality of the school may depend on a persons zip code. Decrepithat may be based on racism. Disparities in health care, the reason for the disproportion of persons born in two communities of color in this pandemic vastly disproportionate to their. Umbers black and brown communities have suffered from the influenza, and of course the economic effect. 41 of all black and brown owned businesses have gone under. Businessesof those owned by people of color have closed their doors. Absolutely deeply troubling statistic. When we look at racism, we need to be nonviolent in the tactics and the means to an end that is languaget, but use the of passion and energy and urgency to demand change. , i will say change this about Law Enforcement. A ban ono go beyond chokehold sand no knock warrants to independent civilian review boards. Have important to independent review boards when there is unwarranted violence by police. Training, recruiting and screening all our are all important a comprehensive view of what changes should be. Comprehensive, to hold accountable any wrongdoers. With aere is mark stone tweet to us. He is asking this it would ending qualified immunity only apply to Police Officers or other City Employees . What about the mayor or police chief . Guest it could apply to them as well. The reform proposals under consideration are narrower than theuding every member of local or state public service, but obviously it could be extended broadly. Woodstock, connecticut, independent. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. As far as this social media whoding what is falsehoods, is going to set the standards for what is taken down, seeing television on public you see falsehoods being represented. Host ok. Senator . You from at to hear woodstock, connecticut, one of the most beautiful parts of the world. I am sorry we are not going to have a woodstock fair this year. It is one of my favorite events in connecticut. That question is really very pertinent. In fact, there is a Legal Standard for what is misleading or deceptive. It applies to all kinds of consumer products. When i was attorney general of the state, i used our state Consumer Protection laws, which similarly prohibit deceptive and misleading pitches. They apply to commercial pitches for products when they are advertised and now on the internet attempting to be sold. They do not apply to First Amendment to political speech. Political ads, i think that was your reference. Many years through the Consumer Protection laws and at both the federal at the state level, and essentially, it is that the the standard is that untruthful and to distort the fact of a particular kind. For example, that they for fail to fulfill the promises of that product or that they are dangerous in a way where there was no warning. I think many of these drugs that are falsely advertised to cure covid19, the dietary supplements, the chemicals that are promised to be miracle cures can be not only useless, but also potentially very dangerous. Ppe,ise, price gouging for medical gowns, medical supplies like ventilators, price gouging is extremely dangerous. Resources to provide ppe like masks for nurses into thereby detracts from Public Health generally and of course other kinds of practices that we will be discussing later today at the having forum that we are i think similarly have broad effects not only on the individual consumer who is harmed, but on the general public. Host senator, thank you for your time. We appreciate it. We hope you come back again and talk to our viewers. We will take a break. When we come back, we will turn our attention to campaign 2020. What is your top issue in november . 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independence, 202 7488002. This november we are going to take back the house. Youre going to hold the senate we are going to hold the senate and we are going to keep the white house. ToPresident Trump returns the campaign trail on saturday for a rally in tulsa. Watch our coverage on cspan, on demand on cspan. Org, or listen on the go with the free cspan radio app. With the federal government at work in d. C. And throughout the country, use the congressional directory for members of congress, and federal agencies. Order your copy online today at cspan store. Org. Binge watch book tv this summer. Every saturday evening at 8 00 p. M. Eastern, settle in and watch it several hours of your favorite authors. Saturday we feature david marinas author of several books including barack obama the story and his most recent, a Good American family. Watch saturday, june 27 as we feature david mccullough. Binge watch book tv all summer on cspan two. The president s from public inairs, available now paperback and ebook presents biographies of every president by ranking it from best to worst and features perspectives into the lives of our nations chief executives and leadership styles. Visit our website cspan. Org thepresident s to learn more and order your copy today wherever books and ebooks are sold. Washington journal continues. Host campaign 2020 is just around the corner. Your top issue, what will get you out to vote, that is our question this morning. You. , good morning to betty, are you there . Betty in atlanta . We are listening. Your top issue for campaign 2020. Caller campaign 2020 i would like to see less accusatory language and degrading language offices or elected those running for office. As a result of the language used in these past three or four years, it has been very degrading. Also it is not a very good role model for the young people. That is why the young people take what you say for gospel. Violence that is used by the andident saying take them use whatever force you can to the criminals to the police, and to those kinds of things have been very degrading it to me. I hate to see that from the office of the president. Ook at the elected offices and they dont say anything. They do not contradict or ask the president i know you cannot tell the president what to do, but as a result of that how do you go home to your children and tell them you are using following a leader that uses this kind of language in the public . Host diane, a democratic color. What is your top issue . A democratic caller. What is your top issue . Recent in light of the Police Officer who brings a breaking of the law to the prosecutor, the prosecutor will take it to the grand jury and they will be indicted. I think they need to look at the relationship between the police and the prosecutors. The violence that is taking place, it was horrible and i dont believe they should be destroying peoplesbusinesses i have headed also in my life and family i also but i have had it in my life and family. I am 62 years old. When you take it to the prosecutor, the prosecutor doesnt look at the entire controversy and that makes the police not accountable. Say if they are in a bad mood that day, they can go to the prosecutor and say, they broke the law. That is the reason why the people dont have to pay bail because the prosecutor gets it from the police, they prosecute them. Most people do not have we americans do not have 5,000 to retain an attorney. That makes it also and injustice. Injustice. Looking at this prosecutorial system is a top thing for 2020. Host some campaign 2020 headlines for you this morning. This is published in the politics section of the pbs last night. Soughtvenue seek for for President Trumps rally. The governor has said he has asked the campaign to consider a larger outdoor venue to accommodate all guests. Over in her stead said monday after talking with trump and pentz that nearly one Million People have requested tickets to the event. Some supporters have already started waiting in line outside center in downtown tulsa. E home to a prosperous that for the president s rally in tulsa, oklahoma. Axios has this headline rocco palma barack obama is to hold the first online fundraiser for the former Vice President. Obama is participation with ramping up ofe obamas efforts to defeat President Trump. This out from the Des Moines Register President Trump biden by one point. In michigan, the detroit free press, a poll shows the president further behind with biden leading by 16 points. Debbie dingell, a democrat from sheigan is quoted saying does not believe these numbers showing biden with a big lead. In elmore, ohio, democrat. Your top issue for 2020 . Ahead. Ood morning, go lynn, talk through the telephone. Richard, west virginia, a republican. Go ahead. Caller my top issue i dont think anyone is going to really bring it up my top issue would be free speech. Speech in attack on free most of that by democrats. We have a good example of that. Google type telecommunications type people to censor speech. He wants them to decide what is true and what is not in this recent thing with coronavirus. A lot of falsification was put out. There certainly disputable information. This is like i dont have the exact facts but i know youtube would not let certain things go on because they said that it was not true even though these were videos made by credentialed people. Continuesatic party thereh for repressive was a bill introduced in georgia by one of the state legislators making political speech a protected category. In other words, you cannot lose your job because you Say Something political. There are people losing their jobs all over this country because they disagree with certain people. Lost his jobuy who because he contributed to a cafe and people didnt like his opinion. We are going to lose our country. We are well on our way to losing the country. Host ok. Free speech is his top issue. Arry in fort worth, texas, democrat. What is your top issue . Caller i am voting just to get this dearborn bruce, heights, michigan. Bruce, your turn. Caller i have three issues. One, like the fella before me, i think we are seeing a terrible violation of free speech in this country. That is one. Two, i am very concerned that they are going to force people to get vaccinations, including trump. Hadthird, you just blumenthal on who in february 2013 showed there was no scientific testing on the frequencies of five g infrastructure. I have is both republicans and democrats are for censorship, forced vaccinations, and they are doing nothing to stop the deployment of 5g. Earlier in the year there was a rumor that the 60 gigahertz frequencies were going to harm people. I disputed that but today they are rolling out 60 gigahertz routers in the schools, which interfere with the ability of the body to absorb oxygen. It just seems that we have nobody to vote for because trump is for all these things and so are the democrats. It is very sad. Anita, and independent from florida sends us this text message i was a swing vote but now i am solidly on the side of law and order. Eileen texts us from connecticut saying, exploitation of the environment. We must repair the damage to the natural world. U. S. Chinahe is his top concern. Mary in las vegas, an independent. What do you say, mary . Caller economics is one of them. Notave got people do want to give stimulus to the states and local governments to keep afloat. The thing is we have got the fed banker and a former private equity guy and i think our dollar is going to take a big hit because we are getting out of the Global Market and becoming more isolated. We have no problem with socialism when it comes to giving large corporations, to bailing them out. They got the 2 trillion tax cut put on a credit card before the pandemic and now theyve got 6 trillion, he bought their debt and they do not want to send the American People 1200 so they can help with the mortgage payment, buy groceries . We need the universal basic income. Corporate america has been getting away with so many tax advantages. The irs doesnt even audit the big large corporations. They do not have the staffing. Our government is being dismantled. We have a president who rage tweets. He has moscow mitch. He has hundreds of bills on his desk since february. He is not legislating. Host ok. Jerome powells testimony will take place in less than an hour right here on cspan. Our coverage, live. The Federal Reserve chair is sitting before the senate Banking Committee. Our coverage is also on our website or you can listen if you download on your mobile device to free cspan radio app app. Deborah, a democratic color. Deborah, you are in a a democratic caller. Deborah, you are next. See. R the top let me the environment. Hello . Host we are listening. Caller it was so wonderful to see the arrow was like gray across the world. They showed see the error was like it was so wonderful to see the air was great across the world. We are all being traumatized seeing this abuse of power and Law Enforcement before the virus, they were concerned about Police Officers with their high rates of suicide. They have to support them also. I am concerned we did not pass the antilynching thing and then we had two lynchings right after that. I do not know what they are doing in congress and i am really concerned about being a citizen with social security. Another thing, President Trump is trying to put federal judges in these seats and they are not qualified. Some of them arent even 40 years old. Im not age discriminating, im just saying, how can that be . Host sharon in pennsylvania, democratic caller. Caller the state of the country with no transparency, we still have not seen trumps taxes, nothing like that. He spews terrible things, saying to me as a handicapped person, it hit me to the core. As far as the police, this is everyone. Growing up, i was taught yes sir, no sir, if you are pulled over by the police. You certainly dont run or beat up anyone. I hope the name calling the transparency comes out. And we can all get along. Host on trumps former Nationals National security book, thehn boltons Associated Press is reporting boltonsident said that will face charges if the book is released. The president said bolton could e criminal problems if trump said it would be up to the ag to issue any charges but hinted that the matter would end up in court. You have this from abc news that Martha Raddatz will have the First Exclusive interview with john bolton on his memoir describing his experiences. The special will air june 21 on Abc Television 9 00 to 10 00 p. M. Eastern time. She will have the first interview. Yahoo news the Trump Administration is expected to block the book. The week before the much awaited book by the president s former advisor. He is expected to seek an injunction to block the book from being released in its current form. The lawsuit is expected to be filed in the coming days. Patrick in the copy springs, coffee republican springs, alabama, a republican. What will get you to show up at the polls in november and about . Caller joe biden because he cant be the president. Neverden if joe biden got elected, he would not be running the country. I would like to congratulate donald trump ahead of time. This is his sixth year of politicking. I believe it was today in june came down the escalator. Even the Republican Party, they have thrown everything at him from the way he combed his hair socalled latenight comic. Who is laughing now . Donald trump is the president and he will be reelected. Im hoping joe goes all the way to the finish line. Maybe he wont need a nap well, he might need a nap before he gets there. Host william in maine, democratic color. Your top issue a democratic caller. Your top issue . The Republican Party is working in the courts to remove all preexisting conditions as we speak. As far as President Trump, he is illegitimate. That can be proven without any problem. He is a criminal in progress. The American People need to know the facts because when our talk tax dollars go to other countries on his behalf to protect his interests, we need to start putting senators that work for the people, not for big businesses taking away our preexisting conditions when you get heard on the job or any other matter for those with respiratory issues. That makes us susceptible to the virus along with Susan Collins has betrayed her owned own constituents. This is more important than donald trump making money and turning people against each other. Host bemidji, minnesota, democratic color. Good morning, sharon. Caller good morning, greta. You hit it on the nail when you read that piece about to bolton. What is trump trying to hide here . His and over again, this is game. Now a buck is coming out that he issnt like, a book coming out that he doesnt like. Lets go, joe. I dont even care. Lets get that racist pig out of the weiss white house. Host terry. Give the would like to people of our nation some information. What gets me is before they passed the probation of alcohol laws, there were no alcohol gangs. Before they passed a drug laws there were no drug gangs. They kept the alcohol law 13 repealed it. They the crime rate went up after they pass to the probation of alcohol. The murder rate went up 100 after drug laws were passed. After they repealed the prohibition of alcohol law, it broke up all the murderous alcohol gangs. It does not take a Rocket Scientist to figure out what needs to be done about the drug laws. Issue in this campaign . Caller i think the year of the mask, which i call it its amazing how we all complied with it will also be the year of awakening. Host oop. Dropped. Sorry about that. Lost the call. Sorry about that. Hope you can call back on another day. 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It presents biographies of every president organized by their ranking by noted historians from best to worst and futures perspectives into the lives of our nations chief executives and leadership styles features perspectives into the lives of our nations a chief executives. Order your copy today wherever books and ebooks are sold. Washington journal continues. Host joining us from atlanta this morning is former congressman bob barr. He represented the seventh district of georgia from 1995 to 2003. Mr. Barr, lets begin with your foundation. How is it funded . Law enforcement Education Foundation headquartered in atlanta is a 501 c 3 , that is a notforprofit tax deductible foundation. We are funded by private donors and we provide information to Law Enforcement and to the public on Law Enforcement matters. As resourcesble permit to provide grants to Law Enforcement agencies across the country. Host what is your foundations position on policing . Thenews we have seen, protests reacting to what has happened to africanamericans, and what do you think should be done . Guest there are a lot of things that can be done and we always need to be willing and open to making reforms to Law Enforcement. I am a strong supporter of Law Enforcement as a former u. S. Attorney, however i note that from time to time and we see this recently as well, that there are problems that manifest themselves that we see in Law Enforcement. Are thees i think these result of poor training and poor Resources Available to Police Departments. One of the things or a couple of the things for example that we need it to be doing is dramatically increased training and resources to police training. We also need to do a better job of making sure that Law Enforcement understands their role in our society is not to be an armed force, but to be a domestic Law Enforcement agency that is bound by the constitution, which of course is very different from how the military operates. Therefore, i think also some of the proposals to lower the militarization of prospective or aspect of policing would help also. Includesyou think that also not giving Law Enforcement military gear . Yesterday there was a headline in the papers that police have received nearly half 1 billion in military gear under the Trump Administration. Guest this is not something that began with the Trump Administration. It has been a problem i think for several years, particularly since 9 11. Billions of dollars over the course of the last 20 years have gone to Law Enforcement, civilian Law Enforcement agencies in the form of military equipment. Much of this is really not needed by local Police Departments. Most Police Departments do not need armored vehicles, armored cars. They have an only limited need for fully automated weapons into the whole notion that every time a Law Enforcement officer or group goes to serve a warrant, that they need a swat backing thisup, that leads to notion and perspective on the part of some Law Enforcement that they are not bound by what traditionally should be the standards for Police Officers. That is within the bounds of the constitution including the fourth amendment, which does not apply to our military overseas. I think that dramatically trimming back on the military equipment given to Police Departments will help in that regard. Host how long are Police Officers trained for the job and what changes would you like to see to that training to address the concerns that you have spoken about this morning . Guest as with most things in our society, greta, sooner or later the answer to these questions comes back to resources. When Police Departments are facing limited or cutbacks in their resources, that is the tax dollars that they have with which to work, one of the very first areas to be cut seems to be training. This is unfortunate. I think that Police Departments need to pay a lot more attention to and put a higher priority than they often do on training. This falls not so much to the federal government although there is a federal role here that we can talk about, but the primary responsibility for ensuring that Police Departments across the country are properly trained falls on the local elected officials, the county commissioners, the city mayor, the City Councils and the State Governments. They need to put more resources into training and they need to do it consistently. Host lets go to robert and brooklyn. A republican color. You are up first for the former congressman a republican caller. You are up first for the former congressman. Caller train and d arm the the police. Arm know that that several of them commit genocide and still get to come into the United States. Host lets take the first part u. S. Policere the officers being trained by the military in israel . Guest for many years there has been a sharing of Police Officers or certain specialized training and to familiarize themselves with the four certain specialized training and to familiarize themselves with certain specialized training and to familiarize themselves with the israeli police. I have no problem with that. Techniques can be really effective. As some are not applicable to our society and the laws into the constitutional provisions that are Law Enforcement officers have to operate under so it is a good program to broaden the familiarize asian of our Law Enforcement officers to ion of our lawt enforcement officers. Host lets go to south carolina, independent. Good morning. Caller good morning. I have been listening and all of the things that need to be done as far as police in this country. I have been listening to bob barr into the rest of them, but do you really if you really think about it, just like your own household, you are the man of your house and you take care of your family. We all sit there trying to figure out how to govern are governors going to take care of states, everybody. You know as well as i know what you have been listening to on ,he news that President Trump all right, and a trey gowdy and lindsey graham, if you put them care in control of taking and putting things in place like you are talking about, it will happen, but people all over this people with that leadership and you know that. Host ok. Joe in alabama, a republican, you are next. Caller it is pretty easy sitting in your office they are saying that the police dont need military type weapons when you are not doing the job. That is the problem. Most people are trying to run the show from an office. You are not out there in the public having to deal with people that have a lot of heavy duty weapons now. For think it is right a lot of people sit back and like i say run the show from an office. Host ok. Mr. Barr . Valid your color makes a point and that is that the your caller makes a valid point policet is that the way are held accountable must factor in. The circumstances that Police Officers themselves face, for as congress is now proposing a onesizefitsall for use of force, use of deadly force by Police Officers, i think this would be a mistake. There has to be a view that the officer on the street facing the circumstances that he or she faces, that has to be the primary focus of their accountability. That is not to say that officers should not be accountable for abusing that authority. They should. This notion that you can set an objective standard for everybody in the country, all Police Officers, will not work. It will create more problems than it solves because Police Officers be very hesitant and will back away from confrontations and that will only embolden the criminal element and lead to further problems. With regard to your colors s question oraller statement about military equipment, im not saying that police dont need any nilla terry grade equipment. Metropolitan police any military grade equipment. Some do, especially metropolitan police. To give Police Across the country all sorts of military equipment is not needed it. It needs to be more carefully utilized and selectively given. President sbout the executive order today on a standard for use of force . Do you a disagree with that . Guest the president can control federal Law Enforcement officers and setting a standard, a careful standard for federal Law Enforcement officers use of deadly force is entirely appropriate and within the jurisdiction of the president. Translating that to Law Enforcement officers across the country is not quite so simple. The president doesnt have the authority to simply mandate a standard for all Police Officers as he can do for adderall Law Enforcement off federal Law Enforcement officers. Through the use of grants to local and state Law Enforcement officers, tying those to a reasonable standard for use of force is entirely appropriate and timely. Host the president will be signing that executive order at rose p. M. Today in the garden. Ironworks, new hampshire, an independent. Caller you can have the house and senate work together. That is what they are paid to do. Maybe the world would be a better place. Host the democrats as you noted in the house and senate have put forth the justice in policing act of 2020. It would prohibit racial and religious profiling. The federal criminal statute to prosecute Police Misconduct improves investigation of Police Misconduct at a federal level, bands choke holds and no knock warrants and makes lynching a federal crime. Guest i think all of those are worth looking into and i support many of them. The lynching provision is already irrelevant. That is is irrelevant. It is already against federal law if it is on federal property or against a federal official. Thats already on the books as a criminal, sometimes a capital criminal offense in some states. Are somem that, there worthwhile elements in this piece of legislation that the democrats have provided. Some of the concerns i have related to the effort to mandate standard fortsall Police Across the country. For example, use of deadly force vision in this peaceful piece of legislation has several pages that the individual officer would be held to account for the four they use deadly force or afterwards in terms of a review or a lawsuit. It is unworkable what this law, what this legislation provides. For example, before the officer would be allowed to use deadly force permissibly, he would have to essentially know what is in against of the civilian whom he is confronting. He would have to take into account for example according to this legislation whether the individual is pregnant. How would the officer know that in many cases . The officer would have to know and to take into account whether the individual that he or she is confronted confronting has mental problems or for septage problems. Going down into that kind of detail that would be required or which the officer would be held to account for would be completely unworkable. Many of the other substantive positions are worthwhile. Host according to tim scotts office, this is what republicans are looking at this is age of act. Aft of the justice it requires reporting of increases funding for body cameras, makes Police Recruiting reflective of the community, requires reporting of uses of force that causes death or serious injury and adds conspiracy to commit a hate to criminal code. Tocommit a hate crime criminal code. Guest thats only good if cameras are turned on and at the right time. There are problems with some officers not turning on their cameras are not ensuring that the cameras are working at sometimes the most important time. Yes, body cameras are good, cameras are good. Body cameras are good, but cameras are they are only as good as their turned on they are turned on at the right time. With regard to hate crimes into the statistics, the database statistics,and the the database, it is good to have information on Police Officers so appropriate legislative measures can be taken. This is the same whether we are talking about Mental Illnesses and firearms purchases. We need to have a comprehensive, consistent recordkeeping so both Police Departments and individuals can both be held accountable and properly protected. Grant in the go to washington dc, independent color. Independent caller. Wrong barr is completely about the value of sending u. S. Police to israel for training. Every american should visit xchange. Org, which theils all of the things israelis have done as they racially profile those. There is no use for American Police to learn israeli techniques of racial profiling and bring that back to the u. S. You can see all kinds of images of the knee on holds and other Israeli Training techniques that police are getting as they travel overseas. Nge. Org. T deadlyexcha tok to get your police not go to israel for training. Host any thoughts . Guest your caller, and your prior question that i did not that that i failed to question i believe, regarded racial profiling. Such policies should never be tolerated or allowed in any Police Department. They arent officially as far as but if we need to take measures to ensure there is no racial profiling, we should do that. Limited number of u. S. Law enforcement officers participate in the Exchange Program with israel. It is very limited. It is important that the officers understand both before, during, and after their exposure to the israeli policing techniques that some of these are appropriate and work and are constitutionally permitted in the u. S. About others are not. Simply rotten inc. The exposure of our Law Enforcement officers asother techniques, as long they are properly vetted and as long as they are properly limited here in the states, i think that is entirely appropriate. We need to do more to broaden our exposure of Law Enforcement officers to other areas, techniques, and cultures. Host stone mountain, georgia. Caller love cspan. Thank you so much. This tomorrow, im from georgia. I know your history. The work that you do this is what you have been dealing with. Police reform so you say. I do not know what your organization has been talking about, what reform you have been advocating for. Have beenu representing the police unions, but that is not what i am calling about. What i would like everyone to do is noe the time there way, know how that the Police Department should be taking up a ow thatan half no h the Police Department should be taking up more than half of anyones budget. There jumping over fences, running through they are jumping over fences, running through neighborhoods lets talk about the money, the percentage of the budget going to Police Officers in communities. , your callerof all mentioned my work with police unions. I have nothing whatsoever to do with police unions. I have never represented them. That is an entirely different matter. The police Education Foundation does not get involved in such Law Enforcement Education Foundation does not get involved in such matters. Pay far mored to attention to these matters than they do. I am glad your caller is doing so. With regard to the percentage or amount that local and State Governments should be providing to Law Enforcement, there is no onesizefitsall, but i do think it ought to be viewed from the standpoint that the primary job of government is to provide a safe environment whether at the state, federal, or local level for individual citizens to be able to exercise their freedom. Reasonableiding a and sufficient budget for Law Enforcement ought to be one of the Top Priorities for government at all levels, with regards to the federal government of course it is somewhat different. Here again, the job of the federal government, one of the primary jobs is to provide at the federal level that sort of safety net so that individuals within the country can operate in freedom. I think one other point to bring responimately, the sibility of an individual citizen to protect themselves is not the job of the State Government or local government, to pick protect an individual. The job of the government is to provide the overall environment within which individuals can exercise our godgiven freedom. I know that sometimes gets a little convoluted but that is the primary perspective here that i operate from. Ost we will go to illinois eric, a democratic color caller, you are up next. Caller i was concerned to read in the New York Times today that againsts use tear gas demonstrators. Could you comment on its use, which seems to me to be an extreme measure against their own citizens. What is the thinking behind it seeing as it has been banned in warfare . Thank you. Guest very interesting question. Thatis one of the issues may be your color i dont know how old he has your caller, i dont know how old he is, but we can think back to waco, texas. One reason that tragedy unfolded in which our than 70 men, women, 70 babies were more than was women, and babies died because the federal government injected a certain gas compound into the building. It was known that that gas was potentially flammable and could explode, which unfortunately was what happened. Use of teargassing domestically for demonstrations i dont the use of tear gas domestically for demonstrations i dont think should be limited. If a demonstration is moving in the direction of of becoming violent, i think it may very well be appropriate to use certain types of lawful tear gas to help disperse the crowd and move them back. It has to be carefully used, but i do not think that a ban on any use of tear gas or other types nonincendiarys, gas should be outlawed. Sometimes that line between a demonstration being peaceful and suddenly turning violent can be very quick. You have to allow the police to have a range of options available. ,ost we will go to Dave Mckinley ville, california, republican. Your question for the former congressman daca former congressman . Have becomepolice scapegoats for fundamental underlying social issues such as dissolution of the black family. I have a simple solution for police to stop killing black men. The solution is for black men to stop committing crimes and resisting arrest. Host mr. Barr . Guest i think your caller correctly puts his finger on one of the important things to keep in mind when we look at this and that is the underlying cultural problems. The disintegration of the family importanteen a very factor in the increase in criminal activity on the part of young people, particularly young black men who are growing up or and more nowadays without these support this support from the family unit itself with both a father and mother in the household as well as the neighborhoods support that we used to see, which was very important in communities, particularly black communities. I recall for example when i was serving as the u. S. Attorney and atlanta in the 1980s, speaking with a highranking atlanta Police Officer, explaining to me as we looked out from my Office Window on downtown atlanta the neighborhood that he used to live in, which now was office buildings. He said when he used to live in that neighborhood on that street if he were to walk out in the early evening, neighbors would see him and say, go back home, it is too late for you to be out here. Have you done your homework . The support that comes from those tight knit communities where neighbors watch out for neighbors is missing in so many neighborhoods around the country. I think that the disintegration of the family unit has been a tragedy that has given rise to many of the violent acts on the part of youth we have seen in this country in recent years. Host pennsylvania, democratic caller. We are talking about Police Reform with bob barr. What is your comment . Caller i heard them ask you a question regarding training and i went to go back of that. Six months training for cadets is not long enough. For you to understand constitutional rights. Everything that they try to teach. Take a look at that. Is that something that you would be reforming and it training changing . Six months training before you get into the field cadets are 18 years old. 36 in some states. You look at that as a cadet. I was 18 years old. I didnt even have the mentality to understand what i was getting involved in. Host i will leave it there because we are approaching the top of the hour and we want enough time for mr. Barr to respond. Guest it goes back to the fundamental issue here you get Better Police with fewer problems and better training. It is not just the length of training, it is the quality of training that has to improve. It is your state and local officials primarily that have to do better at setting standards for training both quantitative and qualitative and in ensure sufficient money is available to implement those training standards. You mr. Barr, where do think there could be compromised between the two sides in congress . On thei think certainly issue of militarization and putting limits and scaling back the provision of military equipment to police is something i think both sides could and should agree on. I think in proofing the money is support local to ice to increase and superior training is important. Providing money for much better Record Keeping for use of extremely important. These are some areas, training, data keeping, demilitarization are included both in republican and democratic proposals that will hopefully provide a basis for bipartisan legislation. Some of the more complex issues i mentioned earlier such as the onesizefitsall standard democrats are proposing for use of force, i do not think are workable. U. S. Bob barr, former congressman and now the president and ceo of the Law Enforcement Education Foundation, we thank you for your time this morning. That does it for this mornings washington journal. Tomorrowack be back at 7 00 a. M. Eastern time for more conversation with all of you. See you then. Announcer we are waiting for the senate thinking committee to begin their hearing with a Jerome Powell, expected to talk to lawmakers about the economy. Once that begins, we will bring you live coverage. In the meantime, we learn about what is on voters minds when it comes to the 2020 president ial election in new hampshire. The statehouse borough chief for the union leader joining us from concord, new hampshire, and over the last 2025 years the Granite State has become a battleground. Announcer Jerome Powell is getting ready to testify. He will talk about Monetary Policy and the economy. You are watching live coverage on cspan. I will gently tap the gamble at 30 seconds remaining gavel at 30 seconds remaining and remind you that your time is almost expired. Senator brown and i have agreed to go by seniority for this hearing