Everyone, andoon, welcome to our ninth jackson virtual discussion forum, our series of online gatherings on covid19 and Global Affairs exploring the farreaching impact of this pandemic. We are thankful to senator murphy and jackson senior fellow governor dean for joining us this afternoon. We will introduce them in a moment. Attendees, have your volume and video muted but we are excited to incorporate your questions as time allows. You can submit those using the q a feature in zoom. We will record this session and post a video afterward to the benefit of everyone. Stay tuned for Upcoming Forum discussions, former under secretary of defense will join us next thursday, may 28 and now i will turn it to jim levinsohn, director of Yale UniversitysJackson Institute for Global Affairs to introduce our special guest. Thanks, ted, and welcome everyone. As we grapple with the ramifications of this pandemic, we are grateful jackson to have a Wonderful Group of faculty and senior fellows whose expertise we can draw. Is dr. H individual howard dean. Physician, six term governor of vermont, president ial candidate, president of the National Government association and the Democratic National committee. Much of that is well known. What may be less wellknown is in new haven, governor dean is professor dean and he teaches an incredibly popular undergraduate seminar on the politics of American Foreign policy. For grateful governor dean is here with us today and will help us moderate the session. Senator chris murphy has represented connecticut in the senate for the past seven years following six years in the house and eight years in the connecticut general assembly. As a member of the Senate Foreign relations committee, the senator has emerged as a leader in Global Affairs, articulating a full Foreign Policy vision for the United States. He is an outspoken proponent of diplomacy, International Human rights and American Leadership abroad. Sessionte has been in the past two weeks, i believe, as we speak. We are deeply appreciative of senator murphy to take the time to join us. Howard, perhaps you can kick off the conversation . Dean thank you. Senator,mbarrass the he was my candidate for president. He chose not around for a variety of reasons. I am incredibly glad to have him here. Pleased to be interviewing someone who was one of the upandcoming stars of the Democratic Party, especially in Foreign Policy, which is what jackson is really about. This is a person who will be, whatever he chooses to do, leading the Foreign Policy and thinking about Foreign Policy in a future oriented way, in ways not many do. Chris, thank you so much for coming on the program. Question,e opening since i know you think longterm and not shortterm is we are in the middle of covid. Im interested in what you are thinking about in terms of where the u. S. May be in terms of our position in the world, five years from now, after we presumably have a vaccine and this is in the rearview mirror. There will be tremendous economic on it and global displacement. Economic carnage and global displacement. I am wondering your thoughts . Sen. Murphy it is great to be here with all of you, great to have this conversation with governor dean. It is possible to lead a fulfilling life without running for president , contrary to popular belief. I am grateful to get a chance to do this job on behalf of the new Haven Community and connecticut. Thanks to the jackson community. It is a big question. The most important one. The covid19 crisis has taught us lessons about the importance of interdependence cooperation with allies and adversaries but also the exposure that countries dependentn we are so on other nations, especially for critical supply chains which help us respond to a crisis. As we look ahead, that is largely dependent on decisions the voters make in a few months. The future of americas role in the world will be fundamentally different if joe biden is president versus four more years of donald trump, but my arguments to whomever is occupying the office, would be twofold. Thet, lets understand, greatest and most immediate threats to the United States today are not conventional military threats. They are pandemics. They are a warming climate. Actors withteless very little effort, that can kill thousands of americans. Yet, we are totally resourced for a world that largely does not exist anymore and a panoply of threats that still israel, and invading army that still army, butn invading which is unlikely. When you look at the spending of the military, you can understand why it feels as if a, americas influence in the world is moving down and our ability to manage crises is less capable than ever before. We will have to have a reckoning about the tools we deployed friends,to try to win influence free agents protect interests. Now, china will be more powerful than today. That is inevitable. We have something to say about that as well. As much as donald trump has waged a threeyear war with europe, our ability to manage chinas ascendancy we cannot onvent it is dependent our ability to work with europeans. As a question for the next president , we also have to understand, this crisis is exposing massive vulnerabilities with respect to dependence on china and other players to supply us with what we need in order to beat this virus. China was able to stand itself up pretty quickly, which means we did not have medical supply chain crises in the medicines we rely on but we are clearly still dealing with supply chain crises for other goods like testing equipment and personal protective equipment. Some ofhave to resource the equipment that helps us respond to emergencies, whether Public Health emergencies or others. This is both an invitation for us to set up a new set of apogees to deal with the rest of the world, set up alliances and to hunker down a little and stand up our domestic ability to protect our self in a way we did not, leading up to this crisis. In. Dean im interested your discussion on china a little more. As jim pointed out, i teach Foreign Policy from truman to obama and now trump. Also, i am on the board of the National Democratic institute, i spend most of my time in eastern europe, where you spend a lot of time dealing with russians. My conception is, we will not get in a cold war with china. Russia has been a destructive influence. Chinese are not a destructive influence. They are difficult group of people to deal with. Their business dealings certainly have political ramifications. They are a real economic power, which russia is not. How do we work with the chinese. I consider the chinese vigorous competitors but not necessarily enemies, as we did with russians for so long. I would love to know what you would think in the next few years, whether trump is reelected if he is reelected, i suppose the thing is at a standstill, but if he is not, where you see joe biden and what is your own belief, because you will be an influential member of the senate, as we proceed here, in terms of how to build a relationship with china, knowing they are an important economic power but also knowing they are authoritarian and will use things like interference, free speech in the u. S. And elsewhere, in order to gain an advantage . Sen. Murphy great question. Im interested in your thoughts as well, governor. Mitt romney had an interesting editorial in the Washington Post in which he proposed a coalition of democracies organized to blockade any imports from china that were connected to national security. His conception was broad. Anything in the rubric of defense, technology or health. Package that together and that is a massive blockade of chinese goods. Merits talking about some kind of approach like that. The interdependence we have, economically, with china, of course is a prophylactic against war. We should understand keeping those connections is probably part of what keeps us out of a dangerous, deadly conflict with china. Wars dont happen normally on purpose. They happen by accident. You have to make sure that if you sell your conflict with china, that they have not been able to build up a set of advantages that could lose the war for us quickly, so that is why you have to Pay Attention to what china is doing, for instance. South china sea, they try to potentially cut off routes of navigation for u. S. Military and commercial vessels. You are also right. Ultimately, chinas goal is to share the world with the u. S. They want to be at the table with us. Universesion a bipolar haveich they and the u. S. The predominant seats at the world table. While wen this is, dont want to copy what china is doing we do have to learn from the model that has allowed big marketsure overseas and critical technologies, like 5g. China has an industrial policy which has allowed them to midwife technologies inside the domestic market and unleash them to the world at a price that the private market cannot compete with. The u. S. And our European Partners have to be in that space. We have to have a closer relationship between the public and private sector so when you are thinking down the line about six g or ai or advanced battery technologies, that we have aoducts developed through Publicprivate Partnership that can compete with chinese products as well. This is been my argument about what to do with russia as well. We cannot be, business of perpetually changing sanctioning the russians and the chinese about their bad behavior. We have to compete with them. Massive rewrite of the ways in which government and private sector Work Together on the development of new technologies. At some point President Trump will not be president anymore. I am hoping that will be in january. If he is reelected, he will be there another four years. Steps you see the actual of trying to create what you just talked about . Im not sure we will have a bipolar world. One of the things trump has done is given the europeans a much greater status. They dont know what to do with that status yet. I would love your comments on this. I met with merkel three years ago and congratulated her on being the leader of the free world. She was suitably embarrassed. She is no joke. What president obama, one of the central parts of his foreignpolicy as far as i can tell, is based on the west point speech, was that we should live in a multipolar world. We should not live in a world where everyone has to check in with the u. S. Before they participate in some policy of importance to them that they should be leading. The europeans are now in the position, because of trump, and as Angela Merkel said, the americans are no longer a reliable ally, the europeans have to find themselves in figure out how to make this work while trying to keep the wheels on the European Union. I would love your thoughts on the European Union and on how we get to where we need to be with europeanswhere the stood in in any scenario you can think of over the next five years. Sen. Murphy what is so dangerous, as i mentioned, about the last three years is this fissure between the u. S. And europe. There is no way to confront chinas growing power without the u. S. And europe being bound together as closely as possible. We lost the trade war with china. Lets be clear about it. This tiny deal the president got is virtually meaningless for the u. S. In terms of economic benefits and it comes after we lost 300,000 jobs through his backwards tariffs. That are going to go into tough negotiation with china over trade policy, for instance, you have to do it with the europeans by your side. To me, this is a moment where we need to link arms, if we are going to develop through a partnership, 6g competitor, that is better off being between the u. S. And europe. We need to modernize our partnership. Trumps critique of nato is way off the mark in terms of a fundamental misunderstanding of how it works. It is also true our security partnership, which historically has looked only to the east, to the russian threat, now needs to be oriented in order to meet the chinese threat as well, which exists in the Technology Threat as much as anywhere else. First, preparing and modernizing our relationship with europe is a big part of that conversation, then recognizing, if you engage in this wholesale withdrawal from international forms, like the who, china will gladly step in to the vacuum. President biden will have a big job ahead of them, just to stick at foot back in the door forums like the u. N. Or the who, to try to muscle the chinese out of gaining a real position of prominence over the course of the last 3. 5 years. Gov. Dean let me switch geography to another troubled world. War,y difficult since the the middle east. [indiscernible] our supportn yemen, from the saudis and the civilian casualties that has come about as a result of that. There are some in our party that believed we should be doing what were doing or Something Like it because of the threat of iran, which is backing the houthis. This is an unfair thing to ask you to do in five minutes but i thinking, how you are how you take into consideration notgeneral iranian threat, to the u. S. But regionally, how do you see that puzzle fitting together . Should we just, as trump seems to be wanting to do, just get the hell out of the middle east and not be a player anymore . Sen. Murphy i think we have to understand the minimal return we get on our political and military investment. You have to spend an enormous amount capital, an enormous amount of Financial Investment and blood to move the needle an inch in that region. I think you need to take steps in order to protect our ally, israel, from threats that come from iran. We have no interest in iran continuing to feed the treasury of terrorists in the region which pose a threat to the u. S. Back andhould step question whether we actually have a dog in the fight when it comes to this defining set of proxy wars between the saudis and the iranians. I dont know the u. S. Needs to be involved in that contest for regional hegemony. My argument is that when we get involved in places like syria or inen, we end up throwing just enough support to keep those conflicts running but never enough to actually be the positive. I have been openly opposed to u. S. Involvement in syria because i think we have ended up getting more people, not less, killed, because we have been halfway involved for going on a decade now. In yemen, our support, both logistical, financial and moral for the saudiss allows them to saudis toight perpetuate a campaign of slaughter, that they probably would not have gotten away with if they couldnt lean on the u. S. Internationally. Our reliance on the u. S. Military as a mechanism by which we try to litigate interests has proven over and over again to ultimately hurt our interests more than they harm them while i argue for a robust diplomatic presence in the region, it is time for us to understand our military adventures ultimately get more of our people and their people killed. Gov. Dean i recently read cement the powers samantha powersautobiography. It was clear the Obama Administration got sucked back into the middle east, partly because they decided they had to be specific about the nerve gas thing, the assad regime was using and also they believed isis was a destabilizing force that could bring harm to the shores of the u. S. Emotionally, im sympathetic with your position. I totally agree with the eastsis that the middle has been a great sucking sound on American Resources for 50 years. What would you do about a threat like isis . Do you believe isis would have been a threat to the u. S. Or our interests had we not been there . If we had not been players, i dont believe for a second, isis wouldnt still be Holding Raqqa and perhaps mosul. Sen. Murphy i spend a lot of time thinking about this. I came into congress in 2007 as an opponent of the iraq war. One of the shifting rationales for that war was that we need to be fighting them over there so we are not fighting them here. For someone who has been a vocal critic of u. S. Military involvement in the middle east, i do have an obligation to pose an alternative policy. I think what is important, as you referenced, is the predominant extremist threats to the u. S. , have been sunni. There are plenty of terrible shia extremist groups, they do not tend to be the ones with the most dangerous plans to attack the u. S. Groups, isis sunni and al qaeda. Ofyou trace the roots those groups, you get quickly to an intolerant strain of islam funded largely out of the gulf by saudi arabia, the, ronnies, the qataris, the emirates. I gave a speech four years ago opening up this conversation about why we should rethink our relationship with saudi arabia, i came to the conclusion, if you really want to cut off a source of support for groups like al qaeda and isis, it is too late to be running a military campaign against them, once they are already marching on the foreign capital. If you cut off their source of funding and address the perverted strain of islam that forms the Building Blocks of that movement, youre much better off and much more likely to beat them. That is why i think the number one issue with saudi arabia right now needs to be their continued backdoor support for this version of islam that ends up becoming a foundation of groups like isis and al qaeda and instead, even under the Obama Administration, that was like issue 4, 5. I think you have to get to the roots if you have any longterm hope of combating the rise and fall of those organizations. Gov. Dean some of these questions are coming in from the audience. One of them is interesting. You must get on the road when youre campaigning, particularly. Why do we spend so much time and money on Foreign Policy, this is not my question, this is one of the audience members, why is this important for the average person terrified of covid, who has lost their job because of covid, who isnt getting any relief from the relief packages that are so badly skewed toward Corporate America . Why does this matter to ordinary americans . Sen. Murphy you have to ask yourself a question. Would we be in the situation we are in today with 100,000 americans dying, depression era levels of unemployment, if we have had a smarter Foreign Policy . I think the answer is we would likely not be in a better position. There would be millions of people still in jobs. There would be tens of thousands of less people dead. What do i mean . Spendf we had decided to 100 million, excuse me 100 billion rather than 10 billion on global health. What if trump having pulled out two thirds of our cdc scientists from china . What if he had not shuttered the predict program which sent scientists and experts around the world to discover pathogens, just like covid19, early on so we can learn more about them, develop treatment and vaccines . What if we did not have such a dysfunctional relationship with china, such that we could not work on any issues other than trade, as has been the case for the last three years . What if we had made a Huge Investment in 2017 in the International Vaccine coalition, theyd enough so they could have gotten a head start on the vaccine rather than trying to rally nation after coronavirus had swept through europe and the u. S. . Foreign policy matters, not just because we are still responsible for preventing attacks against the u. S. But also because a smarter Foreign Policy, run by the administration, might have prevented us from being at least in the deaths of the crisis we are today. Moment toperfect explain to the American People why u. S. Engagement in the world in a smart way, matters. Gov. Dean staying close to home, before Vice President biden became the defective nominee, there was a vigorous debate in the Democratic Party, as there has been in congress, over the nature of health care reform. One of the questioners points out, had we had a more vigorous health care program, had health care not been connected to employment, the outcomes might have been better, particularly for minority groups who are less likely to have Financial Support and wherewithal to get the kind of health care and early health care that would mitigate infection. [indiscernible] doing. We should be my contention is the Democratic Party is moving to the center. If you look at the elections, 2018, aoc, who i have a lot of respect and enjoy, because she thehe prod congress needs, other 35 people came from pennsylvania, oklahoma, texas, kansas. The party is moving toward the center but the country is moving toward the left. The country is interested in a real universal health care program. Where do you come down on the debate of medicare for all and why . How do you think we can get to a position where the problems we have in health care are not so badly distributed between those who have employment with Highend Health care plans and those that survive on either no health care or Government Programs . Sen. Murphy the way you framed the question at the beginning, governor, is interesting. Would we be in a different position today with respect to the way we fight covid if we lived in a country that had a singlepayer Like Health Care system . Supporter of singlepayer health care. I do not want to presuppose that we know the answer to the question given the fact that countries in europe that have singlepayer systems or ones that look like them suffered pretty greatly from this virus as well. This was a virus that preyed upon weak Public Health infrastructure, doesnt necessarily matter as much in terms of how the outbreak moves, foyer system of insurances, but, i stand here as someone who thinks we would be better off if you had medicare as the primary payer for all americans. My difference with bernie over the course of the last few years has been a matter of how we get there. I got together with jeff merkley, the senator from oregon and we wrote legislation that, if passed, would create the most buyin thatedicare exists, or could exist. The idea would be every american could buy into the Medicare Program and everything a business could buy into medicare as well. Every single business could buy into medicare as well. That is more likely to be adopted because it puts the choice to consumers and businesses. It is much easier to Pass Congress and it is much easier to build support for a program that gives a choice to consumers. My argument with supporters of medicare for all and bernies approach is that if your theory is right, and i think it is, that medicare will be a better option, Better Health care, less expensive than private health care, ultimately medicare will win out and it will be a matter of years before enough americans and enough businesses choose medicare, such as private insurance is out of business. That becomes the more natural transition and probably one that happens faster than a long hard political slog through congress to pass a bill that eliminates the ability of individuals to be able to choose private insurance. That is where my head is on this. Questiont is an open as to whether the system of Health Insurance we have ultimately is a major factor in our ability to prevent a pandemic from happening again. Gov. Dean editorialize for a second. This is one of my issues. I didnt know that was your position. It has been mine for many years. Passed,ublic option has two thirds of the people in the u. S. Would have voluntarily to enroll in medicare by now in my view has always been, possibly because i come from independentminded date date, you cannot deprive voters of choice. The voters are the boss, not us. Politicians forget that. They get themselves in trouble. Run it, i wish you had [laughter] sen. Murphy maybe someday. Gov. Dean i know you have to go for a vote. I have another one if you can do this. This is another distance question. It applies to the ground we are on now, where we are talking on now. This is another audience question, another variation of it. Theyre going to be huge changes as a result of this. We have talked about Foreign Policy changes, some of the potential health care changes. You are in a place, talking with a group of people affiliated with one of the places, in an industry that will be changed dramatically. I will ask your thoughts on distancelearning and how we can proceed with that. This institution is in the middle of sorting that out. I want to do it in a bigger context. The Airline Industry has been changed dramatically. Why would anyone spend 15,000 sending ceos tell a firm meeting when you can do it like this for a meeting when you can do it like this . Hotels and so forth and so on. Why would the law firm i work parttime for, giving bad political advice to, why would they have 10 floors in an office building, when they could have three, which they have not discovered they can do just fine on . There will be a lot of industries absolutely transformed by what is happening, no matter the outcome. My question is, i would love it, if you dont mind waiting into a into aersy wading controversy where do you think we will end up with distancelearning . What are we going to do with all those people we work so hard to get a decent Educational Opportunity for, pushing the stone uphill for 50 years those are exactly the people that dont have access to the internet, that struggle with support and that need extra help, that may not be able to do as well, if they are kids or our grandchildren can with distancelearning . I would love to have you tackle that or any other thoughts you have about Big Industries that will change and also, if you have a chance to do this, before the bow comes, love to hear your thoughts the vote comes, love to hear your thoughts on the changing Airline Industry, which Warren Buffett sold, which is an ominous sign for them, what will happen not just for the Airline Industry problems but in general, how does this help to get a greener claimant a greener solution for Climate Change . Sen. Murphy i am here for a little longer. We are not solitary creatures, from the beginnings of human history, we have congregated in groups together. Other animals tend to live by themselves. Our psychology will dictate what our path is moving forward. Youre probably right. There will be decisions made moving forward that will result in more of this happening. There were also be a snapback. People are eager in many ways to be back in an environment where they can sit facetoface with colleagues or students or teachers. There is inevitability to this being a bigger part of our future but i wonder whether we know yet, if it is going to be industry ending. I just be for myself. Speak for myself. I am not necessarily eager to continue to doing lots of virtual interactions. I savor the time i get with my constituents and my colleagues. This is an opportunity for education, in part because, this model can also ultimately end up addressing the cost crisis we have today. Lets be honest, we cannot afford the system of Higher Education we have right now. Period, stop. We are not getting the value we deserve to get from a system that costs this much. Epidemic rates of students who Start College and never finish. Far too many people getting degrees that are totally mismatched with the needs of our economy. Profit, for flybynight Higher Education institutions whose bottom line is profits rather than outcome. What i have been arguing for a long time is for us to really radically reform Higher Education. What we should do, frankly, is require more accountability but regulate less. Higher education is so overly regulated that it is hard to transition from in person classes, classes to online classes. We should ultimately take the reins off Higher Education but in exchange, shutdown the institutions that are not providing value, that are graduating too many kids that cannot pay back loans or are not getting jobs that connect to their degrees but then in return for that, give schools the flexibility to try to invest in more of this as a hybrid builtin to the traditional classroom education. Gov. Dean what would you do about student debt . Sen. Murphy i have been supportive of the work elizabeth and bernie have done to look at a forgiveness of part of student debt moving forward. I think we need to be laser focused on the issue of cost. Im not super interested in decreasing the Interest Rate students are paying on loans. I think we have to wage a monumental Pressure Campaign on colleges to reduce the cost of education, to speed the time, to build in more online education. There are a host of ways in which you can shrink the amount of time it takes to get a degree, graduate kids earlier if they have learned what they need to learn to get that degree and building more technology. Less bricks and mortar. If we have a system of regulation of Higher Education that is laser focused on reducing cost, then i think over time, we are not going to have the epidemic rates of debt we have today. Let me unmute myself. Climate change. Broadview, this is an international issue. We can do anything we want. We contribute significantly to greenhouse gases. Clearly, unless there is a movement of global collaboration, nothing of significance will happen, on an issue most young people believe is the number one issue in their lifetimes and often vote accordingly. View, practical point of you come from connecticut. A High Education level. Significant for the economy and so is driving to places like new york in order to work, so how do you get there quickly, because we are running out of time, without the complaint the Manufacturing Sector has about getting jobs and so forth. I should not blame the manufacturing. Republicans, their fearfulness of the future and we should not do anything, which of course will meet it is too late to get anything done when we finally realize we have to do something. Sen. Murphy let me give you two quick angles. The first is to go back to our prior conversation about how you produce the need to engage in the level of transportation. Trucks, they are still a huge source of Global Warming pollutants. The problem is the mechanism by which you work at home is your broadband and highspeed connection. Those are still insufficient in large parts of my state, even though it is small. Futurewant to look at a which involves more telework, distancelearning, fewer cars on thenoad, people on trains, you have to look at Internet Connectivity as a public utility, just like we deliver water to peoples houses, we should probably deliver them a highspeed data connection and that has economic payoffs and environmental payoffs. When i think ahead to what we if we have a 2021, democratic president and senate, there will be pressure to develop some kind of carbon fee, trade system and i am supportive of those ideas. Those are easily undone by a republican president and a Republican Congress several years down the road. It is probably smarter to frankly do as alexandra and others have, is to make a big infrastructure down payment on green energy sources, because that is a lot of people to work and it is an investment that cannot be undone. If we if we put up a bunch of Wind Turbines and solar farms and geothermal capacity and that is plugged into the grid, no republican president is going to unplug that from the grid if we are already getting the benefit of the investment that is already out the door. That is maybe the most important thing we can do domestically. Spend a bunch of money that will folks 2021, when week inis the First American history where the war on energy has been produced by renewables. The reason you just said. Trump may have been able to cut off subsidies, but you can get rid of the infrastructure once it is there. It is really interesting. 63 of people under the age of 35 years old do not believe the Supreme Court cares about the lot. They believe it cares about politics. It is one of the most alarming statistics ive ever heard. It means the rule of law is in by people of this generation that is now coming to power. What can you do about that . This is the subject of a. Ampaign if you do this, the supreme as a partisanseen institution from now on. And that is exactly what has happened. What can you do with this . Mcconnell is calling you into session. Not to do something about covid, but to appoint more qualified people according to the Barr Association to the bench. Of not outwitting them, it is that you have an institution that republicans dont respect. I find that a disaster situation. What can you realistically do about that without doing something that is grossly thenstitutional or losing Supreme Court being the rightwingers . Gorsuch are new animals. They are political figures. They ran political campaigns in order to get seats on the Supreme Court. Lookedolitical campaign different from the one that you when i have run, but they are political campaigns nonetheless and involved a pretty unapologetic ingratiation with political figures throughout their career. There was kavanaugh sitting right behind ken starr during the inquisition of clinton in the 1990s. That is his celebrity moment that puts him on the list for elevation into the federal judiciary. And so, it is a very dangerous role. In all apology and unapologetic nature to the political agenda and affiliation of those that are now being put on the Supreme Court. This is probably an answer, but i think that move toward extreme political agenda on the court in some ways is reflective of our of what is happening in our broader politics. We in congress right now are unfortunately vulnerable to the extremes of the left and the right, which causes the nominees our parties but forward to be less situated in the middle and more situated to the left or the right, so i dont know you saw the problem i dont know that you solve the problem of the over politicalization if you dont start creating incentive structures or bipartisan and middle policy being rewarded in congress. I am a progressive. In my perfect version of the world, we have singlepayer health care, free college, and guaranteed to a host of several liberties across the country, but i also understand if we do not address things like the way the districts are john and the with the campaigns are financed, than all we are going to be doing is contesting for power in congress and continuing to put on the bench right now those who lean pretty heavily right, but probably folks who lean very heavily to the other side of democrats are in power, so we have to fix her own shop in order to address the problems youre identifying. Identifying and the court. Thank you for that. This has been extraordinary. I have participated in a lot of these. This is one of the most exceptional two people who fell off during the entire session. I want to thank you on behalf of the audience and on behalf of jackson. This has been extraordinary. You have been extraordinary. I wish you were the incoming president. But since you are not running, this doesnt violate my neutrality. Thank you so much to be taking the time to do this, especially in the middle of voting. Always great to be with you, governor. I appreciate our friendship. Thank you for jackson for this. We have five minutes left for a vote on the senate floor so i will skedaddle out of here. Thank you so much for joining us. I look forward to Touching Base next week with the idea came that they would go ahead and take a little car trip into the everglades. There would be lots of exotic plants and animal life and it would be an adventure. It was pointed out to them that theres not really any roads there and its dangerous and theres alligators and worse and people could die. But they knew better. The trip lasted a day and a half. There was a monsoon. There were snakes. There were alligators. They fled. But they like the idea. 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