Transcripts For CSPAN Washington Journal 05162020 20240713

Infections and deaths around the country. Our question what do you think about the three chilean dollar coronavirus aid package 3 trillion aid package . 2027488000 , democrats 2027488001 , andendents 2027488002 you can always text your opinion at 2027488003 . We are also reading your comments on social media. The house on friday past a 3 trillion aid package and it was summarized in todays till newspaper. Approved a 3s trillion relief package to alleviate the economic fallout of the deadly coronavirus pandemic. Seeking to add pressure on Senate Republicans to act on a new round of emergency aid. The foot was largely on party lines with a mix of progressive and centrist democrats working away from opposition and a still republican of new york defecting from the gop to vote yes. Speaker pelosi characterized the legislation, crafted by democrats without consulting republicans, as the opening salvo in talks with the senate and white house. We are putting the offer on the table. Negotiations. They came under some pressure from Federal Reserve chairman Jerome Powell who said more action from congress would be needed to help an economy. Think we all believe another bill is probably going to be necessary, Mitch Mcconnell told fox news, but im not prepared to put a precise date on when that will be. Leaders passed this bill friday night and we have comments coming from the house floor, from democrats, heres what they had to say. My office in miami is not getting called. Or are getting cries fro help. They are afraid of a virus that could kill them and worried about how they will next make groceries,nt, either or when their children will go back to school. Bill will allow members of congress to do our jobs as described by our chair. The second will provide desperately needed relief. We have already passed four resolutions for this virus which is killed 83,000. Act gives money to state, city, and counties which are shouldering the economic and Health Burden of covid19. Unless we do this by counties and cities the School Boards will not be able to pay teachers, firefighters, police officers, transit workers, or hire contact tracers. This bill provides more money for snap, additional economic , and needednts funding for the Postal Service. The Postal Service was founded in 1792. It is more critical than ever in helping people safely access medications and foods and cleaning supplies and vote by mail. While the senate may be here in d. C. Whistling past the graveyard as they confirm judicial nominees, we are working to get the American People the help they desperately need. Host that was former clinton hhs secretary Donna Shalala speaking in favor of the bill. The toptom cole who is republican on the rules Committee Also talking about the bill that was passed. [video clip] proposed and ing oppose the massive and unwarranted 3 trillion democratic wish list the majority is proposing. Proposes it will fundamentally change the nature of the institution. I know that was not the intent of my friends, but that is what will happen. I am concerned we are doing this without regard to the fact a change like this is likely to lead to litigation and may jeopardize legislation we passed in a bipartisan manner. Oner reaching an agreement 2. 5 trillion in spending over the last six weeks the majority is seeking to spend 3 trillion more, regardless of the needs of the nation, and without any input from the republican side of the aisle. My friends talk about the urgency of the moment. I agree. I also agree we are going to have to work in a bipartisan fashion to pass something. If this makes my friends feel better, thats fine. If the intent is to set a negotiated position, that is legitimate, but if you think this is going to end up as law, you are mistaken. The president has said if it reached his desk, he would veto it. Let us do what we have done four times in a row crafted bipartisan bill. We have proved we have done and can do it again. I am mystified when my friends felt the need to inject a clearly partisan bill and think this is going to move us down the road in the right direction. It is not. Host lets see what you think about the 3 trillion coronavirus aid package. Callingtart with ralph from washington, d. C. On the independent line. Good morning. Caller good morning. These guys are spending money left and right. The longterm burden on our economy is going to be enormous. I noticed the republicans when it comes to bailing out the banks, and the fact that you can see it from the stock market every time bad news comes out they pump the stock market. Has historicet highs yet the stock market is crumbling. Horrible. Ing to be we are heading for 25 on. We are talking about Companies Going bankrupt left and right. We need to make sure, at a minimum, the average working man has a paycheck. A Stable Society difference is about three meals. Host mark calling from ohio. We seem to have lost mark. Roy who was calling from raleigh, North Carolina on the independent line. Caller good morning. I am so sick of this. I have not worked in over three months. I do not agree with the things President Trump is doing. Him trying to veto this great i am just tired of this. I want a paycheck. Zami on the democratic line. Caller the republicans talk about the urgency of the moment. People need money, they are hurting, yet they talk about bipartisanship. Feed their to children. We already live paychecktopaycheck and then when the paycheck is gone, we are hurting. Rich, thed out the corporation, the banks. What about us . I dont know whether any of these funds help the seniors. People, wake up. Your president is killing the ones that remain. We need help to try and make it through. Please stay safe, where your mask regardless of what they said in the white house, social distance. This is the only way we are going to get out. There is no vaccine. We are at the mercy of the lord. People, wake up. You have got to stop voting for republicans. You are voting against your own interests. Callingts talk to tony from tampa, florida on the republican line. Good morning. Caller i just wanted to say the reason the Democrats Ask for so much is because trump gives them so much. He has buckled down to them on every debate. Remember the old standoff where they shut the government down . How he caved . He is big spending, big spending, he basically is a democrat. He has been one all his life. The amount of money this country is going through, it will never make it up. One last thing, i fear these other people call and we are left hy high. Obody is lefty high people are getting credit cards without qualifying so lets not play the get behind game. Lets talk to bill from calling from michigan. Go ahead. Caller good morning. I think the money is basically stealing. Nothing ever happens and i believe a lot was stolen. I believe the house of representatives do not want to come back because they are also old. They are afraid. Nancy pelosi, i could name others, that they are afraid to come into work. We watch our children and stores run these grocery and the house are so old they are afraid to come out into the world and live. Harold callingto from toby cook, kansas on the haroldcan line , kansas. Rom topeka caller good morning. People are taking advantage of this free money. When theywork with started talking about the 600 his back caved. He has drawn that money so fast plus unemployment. His girlfriend is pregnant and getting ready to have a baby and she cannot hold down a good job. Another coworker has two daughters who are pregnant and babies that are already here, no quality jobs, so that means you doctorsave to put the on the babies, pay for the birth. That is what i am tired of. Ive no problem with them ey but theyt mon have to do something to get it. Host eric on the independent line from washington. Caller every time a republican president is in office they crush the economy. From 998 billion to over one trillion. The same thing happened under bush. Under trump, the whole economy crashed. It was already going down with the tax cuts before the virus. It is always corporate socialism. They talk about socialism. Reagan granted amnesty to 10 million or 50 million people. ,he talk about the democrats but since the democrats want to actually help the American People, they are against it. Trillions of dollars would be pumped into the economy. Socialism, these are the policies we need. All the republicans want to do is corporate socialism. Bush crashed the whole economy they bailed out the banks. The same thing happened under reagan and now trump is bailing out every corporation. He was already bailing out the farmers and doing things with corporate welfare. They are the Socialism Party but the democrats wont see it. Host lets talk to raul calling from texas on the republican line. Good morning. Caller good morning. All this free money really does not help people. The lawmakers should be back at their seats. That is what they get paid for. Comfortably in their houses getting paid while the government cannot solve everything. You have your states that should be helping the people of their states. They were not savvy in managing their money in the government should not bail them out. You just make wrong decisions. Money does not solve everything. Chairman ofs the the House Rules Committee responding to criticism of the bill that went through the house yesterday. [video clip] i was proud of the way we came together on prior bills, but i worry something is changing on the other side. It is deeply concerning to see the president throw up his hands and essentially say enough. He has declared victory on testing despite it being out of reach for most americans. The Senate Majority leader has essentially said he is hitting pause on anything related to the pandemic for the time being. There are some of the other side who want to conduct business as usual as if nothing has changed. We hurt today on the floor. Some members get up and down play the pandemic like it is no big deal. We are at the start of this pandemic, madam speaker, not the end. If we run into our respective corners now, what example are resetting . Things could get worse in the fall and what then . Madam speaker, we need to act and we need to act boldly and immediately. That includes passing this rule. Acteans passing the heros in making these temporary changes to allow for Virtual Committee proceedings and remote floor voting during this pandemic. This is what the moment requires. Host lets look at what social media followers are saying about this coronavirus package. Why did Congress Waste time passing something they know is going to further . Can they not do what elected to do and stop grandstanding . The American People are onto their tricks. Act is a last chance to buy the election. I would never support such a spending program. , this is notays a coronavirus bill. It is a democratic attempt at sweeping changes with the name of coronavirus attached to the title. I would like to see this minus anything not coronavirus related and see that price tag. Another text, funny how the republicans, when they need money for the banks, trump hotels, oil, no problem, but for the workingmen we have an issue. What is wrong with this victory . I was alarmed democrats refused to budge on giving aid that should be for american citizens. This was forced unemployment. Democratshat people, must not be given more power. Let us look at what is actually onthe heros act passed friday. The bill has 500 billion for State Government aid. 375 billion for local aid. Hundred 75 billion for public 75th and social services, billion for housing assistance, 25 billion for the struggling Postal Service, 20 billion for travel relief for native american tribes, 20 billion relief for territories like puerto rico, 10 billion for Small Businesses and 3. 6 billion for fall election planning for the election coming up in november. Ofalso had direct payments 1200 per Family Member up to 6,000 per household. That is a summary of the bill coming from the speakers office. Lets go back to the phone lines and see what you think about this bill. Calling from delaware. You know something . They are going to give the country away. We are going into a deep depression and we are not going to come out. Then we will see how many people die. Take that to the bank. Goodbye. Host steve calling from florida. Good morning. Caller hello, thank you for taking my call. Think we need to ifcentrate our resources we are going to print money, we need to concentrate on certain testing. Ke caller call in and Say Something about 600 a week and we keep giving money away like that and the people are not working. Floridail industry in 10 an hour. 9 and to like a bigo in box store and they have to face a crowd where nobody practices social distancing, nobody wears , and 9 an hour is what when amade in 1979 gallon of milk was 1. If somebody is going to give me the website for unemployment in florida does not work. You cannot really apply for unemployment and if you try to call sunday for support, you cannot get through. Nobody is really getting unemployment when they file. Thats my comment. Calling from connecticut on the republican line. Good morning. Caller i just wanted to comment on these people talking about corporate bailouts and the rich getting the money. Do they realize the middleclass and the regular people work for these corporations . Those are the people getting Health Benefits from these corporations and all of the wages from these corporations. Everybody keeps saying corporate bailouts, corporate bailouts, these are loans going to be paid back by these corporations. If us middleclass they did not bail out my corporation, i would not be working right now. Callingago to on the independent line. Passr i think they should the heros act but i am not sure whether they have the trace act in there. Hr666 is what is bothering me about this package. Biden wase joe talking about it. 100,000 going to hire people to come into homes or make sure everybody is tested. I think they wasted money on testing and vaccines. They say the vaccine probably will not even work. Why are you taking all that to dr. Nd giving it away fauci . They need to fire him because of these social distancing is something that is just going to hurt us. When you go outside your really going to get sick. As far as im concerned they need to take that money and give it to the people that are ,uffering, that lost their jobs help people pay rent. I do have tenets that cannot pay my rent and what am i supposed to do . Ci, forget the testing, and give money to people so they get eat and pay their bills. York,steve calling from pennsylvania on the republican line. Good morning. Caller good morning. Farpeople i talked to so have good things to say. I do not like the bill itself. It was going to be put on the National Debt and who is going to pay for . The children and grandchildren. One of the things i dont like the municipalities and so forth. Not that they dont need help, but the people who are running the states do not know how to handle money. Even if they gave them the money, though states are going to have the same problem because they do not have the right people who really care about the representatives they are representing. This is going to be passed down to our children and grand judging. Youre going to pay back one way and its 25 trillion now. As for Postal Service, they need to revamp the Postal Service. They have been in trouble for years and years and until you take care of that you are always going to have a problem. I dont like the idea of right rite in voting. You do not know what party those people are and i think what they are trying to do is get rid of the electoral college. They need to go through a bill piece by piece because a lot of people do not understand. Even representatives down in washington. I am very concerned about it. People do need help and they need to get back to work, but it needs to be shortterm not longterm. Host linda calling from georgia on the democratic line. Good morning. Caller how are you . Host just fine. Go ahead. Caller i truly feel testing needs to be done. I truly feel there are a lot of onple that are poor and middle income. Cut frome been fulltime to parttime. There are middleclass and uppermiddleclass people who have had to take cuts in pay. They need to continue with the testing. They need to continue with giving the states the money so they can provide services. They need to actually give the Grocery Stores more money because you cannot stay six feet away. You go across a corner and you are three feet away from somebody getting a product. More work needs to be done, more Research Needs to be done but in the short term, they need to they taking care of are talking about grandkids. I have grandkids. That i stillally try to take care of my kids that are ground. But do not live with me, may a loaf of bread or buying a toy for the grandchild. During a time when they are not in school, those are things we have to do in order to keep the children motivated. What do we do with the adults that are Senior Citizens and states they do not have obamacare . The republican said they did not want it. Month onying 400 a Social Security just on medicine. If you really want to do something, take care of the medical. Georgiabby calling from on the independent line. How do you pronounce your town . Lafayette . Caller lafayette. My concern is property tax. That. Ally concerned about that was all i had to say. Passed thethe house passedkage they also another change that would allow them to do remote voting from the house. Here is the story about that from the washington post. The house approved the most radical change from rules and generations allowing members to cast this from afar. To adaptong struggle to the coronavirus pandemic. Despite bipartisan frustrations with the virus effect, the changes which could include temporary remote work and proxy voting on the house floor, were adopted along party lines. The vote was 217189. Democratic leaders pushed changeswith the despite republicans who objected any point. This is to ensure the house fulfills its constitutional obligation. Davis who is on the House Administration committee talking about his opposition to these rule changes. [video clip] the house is on the receiving scans on ourllion network per month. After broadcasting to the world members are going to be able to cast their vote or operate in this institution remotely, i dont know about you, but i expect those to increase. What further reduces my confidence in the sweeping changes that will not have the stated effect is the feedback that have already been attempted. Staff is kicking people of video conferences because they did not rsvp and while i have time i would like to ask unanimous consent to insert into the record a list of concerns our ranking members have provided me on the house and administration committee. Personal information on these roundtables have already been viewed publicly. Members being dropped because of poor connection. They are unable to participate due to poor Internet Connection and the list goes on. I mentioned these not to say all virtual proceedings cannot or should not be authorized, but i sure these issues is further the crawl, walk, run approach is necessary to make virtual proceedings successfully. In closing, i reiterate what i shared yesterday. I want to encourage all of us to take a step back. I want to make sure we do not have precedent that is set that will create a brandnew process. We are not subject to an outdated rule. We are debating what kind of institution we want the peoples house to be in the example we want to set for the American People and the world. Host lets go back to our social media followers and see what they think about the houses 3 trillion package. The text says, the bill has some good and some bad. The aid for virus only is petified however, pelosis project need to go away. Bailouts aid only for coronavirus expenses. A tweet says, this bill should be passed. Our economy is worse than the Great Depression and all the Senate Republican can do is complain. State governments and families need lifejackets. They need help now. I will defer to the wisdom of the chairman who clearly stated earlier this week that without more stimulus, we will a depression era financial situation. Not, wetext, we must cannot add more debt to the overhang that will beggar our descendents and ruin our country. The house eliminated noncovid related points. An empty and selfdestructive effort that only leads to conclude the speaker has lost a little edge. One last tweet, republicans need to work with democrats. This is just the first part in a long process of crafting a bill donald will sign. Although donald loves to write his name, stopping childish and get to work. Back to the phone lines and the se what you are thinking about the heroes act. From irving,ng texas on the republican line. Good morning. Caller thank you for taking my call. I think this is absolutely crazy. What really angers me about the bill is the name. It is just strict pandering. My family owns a Grocery Store and it has been like that for many years. This little boy was at the cashier with his mother and he looked at me and said, sir, have you ever listened to kanye . Ests album College Dropout from lets go to jerome michigan calling from michigan. Caller i think it should be signed. Anytime the government wants to give the working people money and help support them is a problem. When the republicans give money away and get this to trillion Dollar Companies all these republicans coming in supporting donald trump, you are supporting pestilence. That is what he is. Look around this country and see how it is corroded. Listen to us. Listen how we are talking against each other. Is America Great . Lling from beverly hills, florida on the independent line. Good morning. Caller good morning. How are you . Host good. Go ahead. Caller i think the American People need this money. They already bailed out the corporations and stuff like that. If they do not stimulus the American People, there is no sense to stimulate these corporations. They definitely need to do that and america has got to stop living in fear. This virus is something we have never seen before and we have to take the precautionary social distancing, hand sanitizer, and get back to our lives. What is going to be is going to be. If we are going to prolong it three or four months and the virus comes back, it is just going to hit is harder and we are going to be in a worse position. From karen calling charlotte, North Carolina on the republican line. Good morning. Caller good morning. I dont believe the government should be sending money to all of the people in america. People need to move in with relatives if necessary, rely on churches. The economy will correct itself with demand and supply. People will be creative as entrepreneurs. The rich and uppermiddleclass is going to suffer and it is not going to be avoided by shelling out money. Tim calling from alabama. Go ahead. Caller i think the stimulus bill should be passed. It is something the democrats proposed and i have not seen anything the republicans proposed to help people out. In have people who are lines for miles trying to get food. They need assistance for a short i haved the republicans, not seen where they have offered anything. The other thing i would like to have donald j. Trump, who is running this country, has filed bankruptcy six times. There is no bank that will loan him a penny. He cannot get a loan. That is who you have running this country. He does not listen to scientists, the cdc, he does not listen to anybody. He is going to do the same thing with this country as he is done with all the businesses he has had bankrupt them. From waterloo,g iowa on the democratic line. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. I wanted to comment on the bill as far as i know it. I believe every dollar that goes is actuallyng class going to go back into the economy and will bolster the economy. I will give a quick example. When my wife and i got our stimulus checks we were able to get our car repaired, k couple of bills, and that goes right back into the economy. Anything that goes topdown does not just trickle down. There is no reppo double economist reputable economist that said that his wisdom let the economy, but if you get it into the hands of people who will put it right back into the economy, that is how we recover. Thank you for your time. Host after the passage of the rules change and the house allowing remote voting in the passage of the heroes act they spoke more with the majority leader for in person voting. [video clip] abouthad a full debate this change in the proxy voting. There were still many constitutional questions raised, especially to article one, section five which says each section should constitute a quorum. Although the rule clearly past and your side was able to pass that it does not mean it has to be exercised because the sun is going to be in next week. We prove we can come back safely and conduct our business. Whiled hope and urge that it is an option for the majority to use that, would continue to do business with a majority of members present. If a major piece of legislation were to come to the floor, and to pass with a proxy meaning 20 People Holding proxy under your bill, would be what you would claim to be a majority. It would be challenged or be. Ligible for being challenged i would hope that would be considered. While it is there in the role now does not mean it has to be the way the house conducts business. The gentleman is correct. Turnout of good members on both sides of the aisle to be in the chamber when we meet. Members,w there are ,or Health Reasons transportation issues that are more difficult now with the pandemic going on, but our expectation is that will be a good number of members. To be 20pect there members, but many more. As the gentleman knows when asked to come to the house to pass important legislation members on both sides have been here in large numbers. Host lets go back to the phone lling and talk to marcy ca from maryland on the republican line. Good morning. Caller how are you doing this money . Host just fine. Go ahead. Caller i am calling in reference to a stimulus package, but i believe there is a lot of waste with a concentration, i feel, should be the people who really need the money who lost their jobs. We are having too many people on welfare getting money. They are already getting money. People on Social Security are already getting money. There are people who were are all 30 getting money already getting money and it should be concentrated on the people who lost their jobs. Put can take that waste and it toward the coronavirus things we need to do and it would cost a lot less. Host thank you. Calling from South Carolina on the independent line. Caller good morning. I was wondering if you could look at an expert to every sickle stenosis package, including this, and go item by item. You will see what they do is stuffing money for the rich which is typically what they do. It does not matter whether they are republicans or democrats. I think democrats, dangerous. Republicans will still your money and give it to the rich. Lee democrats will smi and a soon as you leave the room they will give it to the rich. Your last caller said about being on welfare. That is so tired. Look at how other countries have resolved this drivers issue. We do not have testing because trump did not want allow testing from other countries. It is that simple. Other countries are doing much , butr with much less money the richer want to siphon the money. Both parties are being disingenuous and they ought to be ashamed. Host darnell calling from peoria, illinois on the democrat line. Caller how are you doing this money . Morning . Host just fine. Go ahead. Caller i have worked over 25 years in the stimulus they are giving is our money anyway. How are you doing . Host we can hear you. Caller ive worked over 25 years in the stimulus they are giving us his money owed to us anyway. I had brain surgery one year, back surgery, not being able to work and fighting to get disability. There is something wrong. Trump needs to wake up and be a president and stop acting like a kid treating reporters like they are host william calling from clearwater, florida on the independent line. Good morning. Caller good morning. Im recently new to the workforce. I have Child Support payments and stuff like that so the last stimulus bill i did not qualify for that. What in this bill would even help me now that im paying full Child Support, lost wages at work, and still try to figure out how im going to make it . I dont even know which point to go in. Republicans, i dont know if theyre going to help me. I dont know if the democrats are going to help me so i have to go independent. Im try to figure out what part of the stimulus that could help a guy like myself that is try to work, take care of his kids, and take care of himself. I have lost a lot of wages at work. That something i do not understand and i would love for somebody to explain how the stimulus package could help a guy like myself. Host yesterday at a News Conference in the rose garden President Trump announced formation of a White House Coronavirus Vaccine Initiative known as operation warp speed. Heres what he had to say about that. [video clip] i want to update you on the next stage of this momentous medical initiative. It is called operation warp speed. That means big and fast. A massive scientific, industrial, and logistical endeavor unlike anything our country has seen since the manhattan project. You could say nobody has seen like what we are doing whether it is ventilators, testing, nobody has seen like what we are doing now within our country since the second world war. Incredible. The objective is to finish developing and manufacturing distribute a proven Coronavirus Vaccine as fast as possible. Again, we would love to see it if we could do it prior to the end of the year. We think we are going to have good results coming out quickly. Continueon, it will accelerating the development of diagnostics and breakthrough therapies. The Great National project will bring together the best of american innovation, the full resources of the United States government, and the excellence and precision of the United States military. We have the military totally involved. We are working with other countries who have great we arests, doctors, and working closely together. They are viewing us as the leader and the relationship with other countries on solving this problem has been incredible. Host back to the phone lines to see we can get a couple of more calls. From florida on the republican line. Good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. I am worried about the stimulus. Is it really going to go to the people they say it is going to go to . Anotherjust going to be ploy were republicans and democrats are both complicit in allowing their cronies to feed from the trough of public money . Acting isway they are like cockroaches after nuclear war. Everybody will be dead but they will still be living. Have thatntees do we the small businessman is going their fair share and not the Large Companies . From james calling virginia on the democratic line. Good morning. Caller good morning. Thank you for taking my call. I am a little confused because there is so Much Division. The president starts it and it seems like the senate and others take it on. I watched the rules committee and all these 1800 pages that the house passed. They Start Talking about giving money to the undocumented to get us not coming together. They get together and talk about it and work out differences think, with something both parties agree on. I dont understand why we continue to have so Much Division and anger on the republican side. We did not do that when the Senate Passed a bill. We got together and work together. President tired of our always accusing people. China, im ama, black so ived seen segregation in my life. I have seen so Much Division and i thought we had gotten beyond like thatt seems pitted me up division. I am just tired. I wish we could get on with making this world even better than it used to be. I dont know what to do. From sean calling nashville, tennessee on the independent line. Good morning. Caller good morning. Hello . Host go ahead. To 2017if you go back when they said President Trump would have a pandemic, the fact and thening in 2020 democrats are giving out all this money it is like giving out free money. People are not going to go to work and it is a set up. They can control how long you live and everything. Calling from tennessee on the democratic line. Good morning. Caller good morning. This is the first time i am agreeing with the caller before this gentleman who was a republican. They are not looking out for us and i have been looking at it on tv. America does not know that the republicans want to put in the bill that if you go back to work and get sick, they are not responsible for it. From what i heard it would be hard for you to get unemployment again. Finish,thing before i they are sending this money overseas to wars to kill other people, but they dont want to help people here. I dont understand it. The last package they put out a lot of Rich Companies got it. Schoolder trumps child got money. They not looking out for us. Mr. Trump doesnt care about anybody but himself. They are going to have blood on their hands bread people are man is going to have blood on his hands. Thank you. Lubbock,t calling from texas on the republican line. Good morning. Caller good morning. If they put covid at the end of any medical terminology that is in hospitals, how can they get 30,000 . Covid19 on a ventilator, they get 39,000. I thought i would spread that news. Host lets look at a couple of more tweets. These are coming in from our viewers. Glad it passed. Onto the senate where they will probably deny it stupidity would be recorded. Silly to think they will be forgotten in november. Another tweet says, explain to me how giving loans and grants to very successful larger businesses is helping momandpop businesses who cannot get a loan . The president and senate do not back this bill it may be the final straw that breaks the red stateblue state war that is coming. Let us see if we can squeeze in one more caller. From washington on the democratic line. Good morning. Caller hello. I am at one of the aca homes and i was for the bill being passed. Host thank you all callers who have called in for the first segment. For the rest of our show we are going to take a look at education issues and with a pandemic means for education as we know it. For the next hour we are going to focus on k12 education starting with Frederick Hess of aei who is going to talk about a new report they have compiled as a blue friend for educators. Later, the president of the National Education association, Lily Eskelsen garcia, will be here to talk about what is going on with educators and students at school. Arlier this week during hearing with the task force, the chairman of the committee was asked about returning to school this fall and heres what he said. [video clip] lets look down the road three months. About 5000be campuses across the country welcoming 20 million College Students, Public Schools welcoming 150 million students. Would you say to the chancellor of a Public School in knoxville to persuade parents and students are returned to school . I would be very realistic with the chancellor and tell him when we are it is a her in this case. Im sorry. I would tell her that having treatments available to facilitate the reentry of students into the fall term would be something that would be a bit of a bridge too far. As i mentioned, the drug that has shown some degree of efficacy was modest and in hospitalized patients. Not yet, or ever, to be used as prophylactic or treatment. If the young individuals going back to school at like to have comfort, the thing that would be closest to utilization then would likely be passive transfer of convalescent serum. We are really not talking about necessarily treating a student who gets ill, but how the student will feel safe going back to school. Situation where we had a vaccine, that would be the end of that issue in a positive way, but as i mentioned, even at the top speed we are going we do not see a vaccine playing in the ability of individuals able to get back to school this term. What they want is to know if they are safe. Announcer washington journal continues. Host for the next hour, we will focus on k12 education and what it will look like in the fall. We will start with American Enterprise institutes Frederick Hess, who just came out with a new report, a blueprint for back to school, looking at how k12 schools across the country should prepare to return in the fall. Report. About the new who did you talk to to come up with the report and what were the results. . Inspired when i was talking to colleagues who are state chiefs, there hasdents been uncertainty. Said, no moreates school in the spring, it struck me in my colleagues who helped coordinate responses in the Bush White House when they were doing Public Health, officials in a community or state say we cannot have kids back in school this fall, that is one thing. E have to respect that we have to respect that. Seems pretty clear that in large chunks of the september, some Public Health Officials Say school can be a book, but they need to be opened smart and safe. So there is no excuse for schools not to open, because we have a plan. So we pulled together a task force of about 21 of us, a half dozen folks who have led states, there is a number of superintendents, those who have worked in the white house under president s clinton, bush and school leadersas into folks out of the Charter School world. We tried to sketch a blueprint that would tackle, not tell folks, this is what you need to do, because there are 14,000 School Districts, but that would give people a framework. We have four basic assumptions. Most placeshools in will probably reopen in some fashion in the fall, but they need to prepare for the likelihood of closures if there are outbreaks. Second, they were not would like they. Did in january they did in january. Third, waved to think about vulnerable staff and students. And fourth, we have to be prepared for the possibility that modifications will be needed into 2021 and potentially beyond, depending on what happens. Majorsketched six categories of challenges. One, general consideration around communication and privacy. The second is issues of operations around things like transportation and cleaning. The third is the challenge of academics. The fourth is the question of the whole child, social and emotional needs, the students mental wellbeing. Faith is the challenge of Distance Learning and how do we make sure, especially for those families not comfortable sending children to schools, or in those places where they have to do some instruction remotely, that they would do better than in the spring. Andthe issue of staffing what accommodations will be needed. So that was the blueprint, sketched over 8000 words, trying to help folks think about how to handle challenges in these areas. Host with your new report ofing out, is there any Type Movement around the country where we can look and say, we think most students will be back in the schools in the ball, or do we know that most will not be back in school . Have states made those decisions, or are we still waiting to see what is going to happen . Guest we are in wait and see mode almost everywhere. As we look abroad, we see a number of nations are opening, so we will be able to learn from them. France, germany, the netherlands, norway, hong kong, all eitherna, have never closed or reopening. So we have the advantage of getting a chance to see how they are going about it and how it plays out. We have three months or more in most of the country into we expect schools to [. Host lets let the viewers take part in the conversation. We will open up special lines this morning. The first will be for parents. I know there are many like me who are wondering what is going to happen with our children, with the educational system. Beents, your number will 202 7488000. Another major part of the decision will be the teachers and administrators, we especially want to hear from you and what will happen at your school in the fall, if you know. Or what do you think should happen . That number will be 202 7488001. Fit in, if you do not those categories but you still have a concern or thought about the educational system. I know there are many grandparents who have concerns about their grandchildren. For everyone else, your telephone number will be 202 7488002. So parents, 202 7488000. Teachers and administrators, 202 7488001. Everyone else, 202 7488002. Remember, you can always text us at 202 7488003. And we are on twitter cspanwj and on facebook. You is the top concern that are hearing from people that you have talked to about education this fall . Is it starting early . It goingrting is back to the Distance Learning that most people have been doing over these last few months . What is the concern you are hearing from people . Guest i think there are two. One, the kids are not learning. They have cap collated kids will show up in fall only in doing about two thirds as much reading they did last year. I think that parents and educators are concerned that whatever we are doing, it is not nearly enough. The center for reinventing public ed out of the university of washington reported yesterday that a third of School Districts still are putting out materials on the web, but not teaching. The other concern is health. 20 of teachers are over the age of 55. That makes them vulnerable, even aside from other health conditions. A quarter of the school principals. And we have to think, kids fortunately kids, fortune, seemed to be resistant to covid19, except for kawasaki syndrome. They seem to be resistant, but they go home to parents and grandparents, so there are concerns about how that will play out. Host this is a question that will come from one of our social media followers, but i am seeing a plot of the same questioning, because i had the same question as well. What level of covid19 testing should be done before the classrooms and schooling can begin . are there privacy issues or parental approval issues that have to be dealt with before a school can do any type of testing of students and or teachers . Guest yes. This is part of the challenges that are educators and policymakers are facing. We are not used to dealing with this. So for stuff on the testing, i think the general consensus is more is better. We are talking about different communities. We are talking about new york city, but also about Rural Communities that have had no reported incidents of covid. So when we talk about the whole United States, the situation can be very different from community to community. So how much testing is necessary is obviously going to vary, but there is an expectation in all of this that testing would have ramped up dramatically, and schools should be planning on some kind of regular testing protocol. What we have seen in hong kong, or south korea, is an emphasis on temperature taking. At the entrance. People have seen metal detectors in american schools, think about the temperature taking exercises you could do. Sayic Health Officials also temperature taking could be insufficiently precise or not catch. Not caught. That runs into privacy questions. Questions hippa questions. Children are more susceptible to the flu than covid19, as far as we know, so the schools are used to dealing with flu outbreaks and similar challenges. So there are some protocols in place, but there is nothing up to the level of what we would need for consistent daytoday information sharing, potentially tracing and tracking of individual kids, who they have come into contact with. That will require clarity from the federal government, from the department of education and hhs, that lets schools no what will be ok under hipaa. It will be clear for those states who have tested privacy laws, to either clarify the laws or revisit them. And it will require local schools and local Health Officials to develop new partnerships. Involve parental and community engagement, because this has to do it parental pushback and to sign offs those are real and very important. Host lets let some of the viewers get involved. We have a couple teachers who have comments. Lets start with linda, a teacher out of maryland. Good morning. Caller how are you doing . Host just fine. Go ahead. Caller i wanted to address several things that need to change in the way the individuals have been teaching. It is a custom for teachers to highfive kids. It is the custom for teachers to in the classroom, which uses up a huge amount of space in the classroom, the cushioned seats and so forth. Ose are collectors of bacteria. While most schools indicated it is important to make sure they sanitize things before they eat meals or come from the restroom, very few schools are enforcing the requirements of that when they come back from the playground, where they have had the opportunity to judge the grass, soil, other kids and contaminated places, that then they must also sanitize their hands. A study about how schools were reopening in china and south korea, and they have totally gone back to the old classroom format where every student has their own desk. Nore is no shared seating, clustered groups or tables, everybody has an individual desk, facing the teacher at the front. And they have removed the notion of carpet on the floor with kids on the floor with carpet that becomes totally contaminated and only gets cleaned once a year. Host go ahead and respond. That seemed like a conversation about how to deal with the younger kids at school. Guest yes, the caller is spot on. One of my kids is a kindergartner. It hurts, but the reality is, when we talk about modifications, they will be less like the kinds of places they want them to be for the kids next year. What we need to think about is schoolant to get kids to because they need to be out of the house, kids want to see their friends and mentors, you were the hhs hotline calls up 900 in march of 2020 compared to 2019, because it is a problem for lots of kids to be at home all day. We want them to go to school physically, but we also want to keep them safe, keep the educators safe, so we need to look at social distancing in schools. That probably means things we are used to, like a playgrounds, will be taped off. Gym is not going to happen. And probably means if we are using cafeterias, we need to use them in limited shifts, where we atve kids socially distanced the tables. In france, they started with the young kids, but they have not sent back high schoolers. Germany, they started with high schoolers, with the theory that they are better to understand what we need, but they have not sent back to little kids. In the netherlands, the kids go every other day. Isprobably have to there talk about we need to tape off the hallways, so kids walk in one direction on one side, to keep them six feet apart. There is a suggestion to limit the number of kids in the classrooms. In china, one way they have maintained social distancing, part of the trick is teachers cannot do the things that they usually do to make kids feel safe and welcome. What are we going to do instead . How do the teachers adjust . In china, this is an interesting way of helping kids, is they have actually given them hats, the little kids, the kindergartners hats with things that stick out three feet in each direction. There is footage online of the kids they find it funny. The kids have fun with it, but it also gives them a way of understanding if they are six feet apart. Yeah, this is part of the challenge. There are all these parts of school that we are used to thinking about one way, that unfortunately we will have to think about quite differently for next year and potentially beyond. Host now to a parent. Diane is calling from new jersey. Diane, good morning. Caller good morning. I am a grandmother. While my daughter is at work, i have her two children. I can tell you that the youngest one, she is not going to send her back to school. She is scared to death. This child is entitled to an education. What we have to realize is they do not know anything about the virus, truly what causes it to transmit to others. I think we have to change the scheme of things in education, where the person who is going to isch the child, at home, going to be somebody well tested and has that blood transfer thing. And they go to the childrens houses, especially the babies, because the parents arent going this child is precious. She will not send her back. They need somebody to come to the homes and teach at different intervals. And i think the whole Education System should change. Do yout home teaching, see that as a possibility coming down the road . Is certainly going to be a part of it, if we can figure out how to determine with a high degree of certainty who has had it and whether or not thishave immunity, then could really help parents to be able to sit down and talk to them about homeschooling, coaches them, check in with the kids. But a couple things are worth mentioning. Is, a tiny bit of good news the u. K. Royal college of pediatrics and child health has examined all the Contact Tracing by the world health organization, and they found not a single instance of a child under 10 transmitting to an adult. The caller is right, there is so much we do not know. E do not want to go to town we do not want to go to town on things like that at this point. But they do suggest that we need to be thoughtful about drawing distinctions between who is highly vulnerable and a high likelihood of transmitting. We need of things, one, to do better by every child. I am a believer in the possibility of virtual schooling. I think for many families, it has not worked the way it has been done. And it is much more likely to work with the kids get some time in school with teachers, what we call a hybrid model, which i think could it is an and normas accelerant for athome learning. You normas accelerant for athome learning. We do have a sense from countries opening up, that about 40 of parents are choosing to keep kids home, which is reasonable. But we need to make sure we have better distancelearning. About 60 to 80 of parents are choosing to send their kids to school. So there are a lot of folks who think that this is done reasonably well and are comfortable sending their children to school. And a third point is there are dangers over time of having the kids at home, having children around grandparents. Grandparents are in a highrisk category because of age. And the cdc is worried about the problems of kids congregating over time out of school and unsafe behaviors. So, you know, it is not that there is risk if we send the kids to school and no risk if they keep staying at home, but the challenge is how do we way these things in a way w eight these things in a way that will be best for these communities. Host lets go to amy who is calling from new york, a teacher. Good morning. Caller i want to tell you that i love cspan and i love seeing you every saturday morning. I am a teacher. I am a special educator. I was thrown into Remote Learning within one week. The problem is, i need to give my lessons live, which i love but it is so difficult. When the bandwidth goes down, i get thrown out of the classroom. My kids get thrown out of the classroom. And all day i feel like i am fighting. I feel like i should have a cord with cups but it is so difficul. To try to reach them and talk to them. If we go on with this, and i am in new york city, the hotspot, i do not know how i will be able to really reach my students. Host go ahead. Guest spot on. A couple things. One, there are issues with bandwidth and whether children have devices. Depending on the estimates, Something Like 10 to 20 of american schoolkids do not have access to a device, that is 5,000,00010,000,000 children. And we have questions about not great wifi. We have also heard about zoom bombing. This is part of what we talk about in the blueprint, is, look, people have made allowances this spring because nobody had a game plan for this. Now, some people had a better backup plan. Miamidade, for instance, which has always had to deal with hurricanes, has been heroic in what they have done to train to gets and parents, devices to kids, but most districts have not had that experience. Months until School Starts in the fall, so if they are going to be all remote, which will not be in many places, hopefully, or in a blended model where they go to buildings some, i think that all of us need to say, look, there is a point at which you need to step up your game. Part of this is training teachers who have never been expected to work this way. Part of it is better materials. Part of the entire expectation while people think about online teaching as generally being the teacher engaging with the kids, the reality is even now two months in, less than are of the School Districts actually providing that kind of realtime learning. Mostly what they are doing is having the teachers record something and letting the kids play it, which means half or more of the nations kids are getting no live interaction with their teachers. Orrick, what happens what do you suggest for schools that they do if they do open this fall and a, there is a breakout in their community, or b, there is a breakout in their school . Those are two separate situations. What happens if there is a huge breakout in the community . And then what happens if there is a breakout in the school . Guest so, the first answer is you should ask somebody who is an expert in Public Health, not a former teacher, but having spoken to these folks, there are basically two game plans. The cdc has been clear about this. If you have a breakout at a school, if a faculty member or student tests positive community to close the school. Close the school, deep clean it. You test and you try to trace. And it is you have to make sure that you feel comfortable that you have your hands around before you reopen. That could be three days. It may be longer. If you have an outbreak in the community, what most of the frameworks, including my colleagues a famous framework you have aed, is plan for the likelihood next year of 1428 day rolling closures and parts of the orntry when diagnosed cases hospital occupation or deaths start to increase and go through that acceptable plateau. Once that happens, we will need to children in place and part of that will be closing the schools, and they are talking about 1428 days at a time. Host the reason i asked about the Community Outbreaks is because in many schools the schools are used for other things than just going. For example, many schools will be voting sites for the election this year. Do you do you handle have a suggestion for those schools used for other things than schooling . Do they cancel every event outside of education . That that will depend on the community, what the risk level is. If you are a community that has for 30positive tests days, i think it is a different proposition than if you are a community where you probably have people testing positive in hospitals and people perish. One, it depends on context. But again, i think it will be a question of tradeoffs. Are there other places in the community where we can safely hold these things . Schools will have to do things we do not want to do, we will have to limit kids ability to engage in extracurriculars that are important to their development and to their sense of self. So i do not think we can ask kids to sacrifice of those things, then use the buildings as if everything is normal. But i do think schools have a role to play beyond just being places where the kids show up to get taught, and we have to be sensitive to the right balance. Host lets get one more caller. Millie from providence. You are a teacher as well, right . Caller yes, i am a retired teacher. Grandparent. And host go ahead. Before my question is, school opens will there be a requirement for masks, gloves, and testing of the students . Host what do you think, should schools require masks, gloves and some type of test for letting the students back in . Has to doin, this and staying safe. Generally, yes, you are looking at some ongoing testing protocol before you open. That has to be in place. Exactly how it will be conducted is unclear. Of the have seen is most countries that have reopened s anda version of mask gloves. If you think about classroom dynamics, some of it cannot be dont kids wearing masks. Be done with kids wearing masks. These are exactly the kinds of protocols that districts will be working through over the next few months. Host we would like to thank frederickdynamics, some of it ce dont kids wearing masks. Be hess, director at the American Enterprise institute and coauthor of the new report a blueprint for back to , school for being with us. Guest my pleasure. Host we will continue our discussion on education amid the pandemic with Lily Eskelsen garcia, coming up next. Starting at 9 00 a. M. , we will turn our attention to Higher Education. We will be talking about keeping College Students safe after reopening this fall. But first, you ivanka trump and sonny perdue traveled to a few Distribution Company in maryland, to help launch the administrations new farmers to family food box program, where the government buys up products from farmers and provides them to local Distribution Centers 2pac and to pack and deliver them to those in need. I am pleased today to be building on this commitment and expanding our reach to u. S. Families and to those in need with the launch of this farmers to family food box program. The boxes, and we held them, these are about 25 pound boxes of the finest fresh produce, often locally grown, will be delivered to food banks, to nonprofits, and serving americans across the country. Last friday, the usda approved the first round of contracts for the program and i am proud the majority of recipients are small and regional food suppliers, who prioritizes small farms and nonprofits. That is real impact for businesses like coastal sunbelt, who has 50 employees who have furloughed. Who were rehired for the execution of the program. We want to thank you for dealing locally with our producers here of all sizes, and accommodating them. When this thing happened, obviously it was horrifying to hear about vegetables plowed under because of new markets and milk having to be dumped, animals potentially euthanized because we had broken the supply chain. And most of us did not realize it was a dual supply chain, one going to the Food Service Industry and one going to the Grocery Stores. When one is cut off, you have to pivot like coastal has done. We have a great team that developed this with the president s direction to help match it up again. And President Trump said, we saw some of these stories about what was happening and he called and said, bring me a program that will work. This is a Simple Program that will help defeated people in need from producers that need the product, and certainly people in the middle, the suppliers, who need the business. Which also has disappeared because of the food service. So i am delighted to be here, i am delighted we could come out the governor and ivanka to see firsthand what is happening. This is a proud moment for americans. The best of what we can do in bringing people together. And certainly fulfilling our motto at the usda, to do right and feed everyone. Announcer listen to cspan radio. Cspant 6 00 p. M. , as radio looks back to the 1954 Supreme Court landmark case brown v. Board of education of topeka, ruling state sanctioned segregation of Public Schools was unconstitutional. Listen with the free radio app online at cspan. Org and on 901. Fm. Host we are back with Lily Eskelsen garcia, the president of the National Education association, representing 3 million educators. Good morning. Guest good morning. Host you held a media call this week where you debuted a multimillion Dollar Campaign and ad. We will look at the ad, but first tell us your goal for the campaign. Guest we knew that we would be seeing Something Big coming out of the house to help Public Schools, to help firefighters, nd public everything in the state. Fallen off the people not working or buying and everything that produces tax revenue, so we are begging the public to call their members of congress and senators and say, do the right thing and sent help to your state and local governments. Host we will take a look at the ad, then talk about it. Here it is. They say that home is where the heart is. School is no different. Its heart is found in the educators dedicated to every students success. That will never change. And now, they need our support more than ever before. The power of everyone pulling together. Thats the power of Public Schools. Host what type of help was there for educators and schools s acte 3 trillion heroe passed on friday by the house . Guest it was a dedicated amount of 100 million. That will help the gap of what will not be there that the schools that they could count on. Billionourse, over 900 going to local and State Governments, a lot of that money would also be available for our Public Education and getting the schools open when it is safe to open them. Governors,t money, republican and democratic thinking,are all just what is going to happen . It is like we were all hit by Hurricane Katrina at the same moment and something has got to happen, or the states will choose between Health Services and opening their schools. Concernat is the top that you are hearing from your members about school in the fall . Is it schools may not open at all . Is it they will continue to have to do distancelearning procedures at that they were never officially trained for . What is the top issue you are hearing from your members . Guest you can keep going. It is all of the above. This is the ultimate multiplechoice test. Of course at they are worried about their students not getting what we thought we would get in the spring. We do a lot of, now lets wrap it up and put a ribbon on it with masks, with big projects being planned. So they are worried they have not been able, nobody can replicate what you are doing in a classroom with your kids, where you could interact with them and say, now do that, with the kids sitting in the thirtysomething kitchens. So they are worried about that. I will tell you what they are starting to so, that is immediate, that is today. But what everybody is starting thisink about now is when is all over, how will we open the schools again. Because it was like somebody pulled the fire alarm and everybody ran out of the schools. Teachers were grabbing stuff. A lot of them still have files and things to make report cards back in their schools that are now locked. So that was immediate. It doesnt have to be immediate, and it should not be immediate to rush back in. I am an elementary teacher. I have 36 kids in a class. That was not healthy on the best day. The little wet kids coming in from recess. But what will it look like to get the schools open . People keep asking the wrong question. They keep saying, what is the date . Is it going to be september . Can we have Summer School . That is the wrong question. Right this minute we know what Infectious Health professionals, of which i am not one i can teach your child how to read, but i am not an Infectious Disease researcher, but they are all saying, you have to take steps. You were not just open up the doors of anything and have a healthy situation, let alone a Public School. So they say, what is the plan for distancing . Deeply you going to disinfect, because there are Scientific Ways to clean. And where is the ppe . Where is the protective dress for Health Success . Constant testing, what are you doing to make sure that your staff, your clients and your customers are healthy, so you can monitor that . And a school would add one more. Because all of that is relevant to us. How are you going to distance and disinfect . How will you get the protective the for those educators and janitor and lunch ladies and the principals . Will you do with the fiveyearold . What about the kindergartners . Put a mask on. If you have ever lived with a fiveyearold, that is a toy, they are going to play with it. They are not going to distance. What we are hearing now with this horrible, horrible prediction of losing billions of dollars in the tax revenue that runs our schools, oh, it looks like we will be laying off and furloughing teachers and counselors and School Psychologists and nurses and professionals all the people that we need to open that school safely. We are notw, talking about when it is going to be open, but why arent there people in the building now depleted affecting . Deeply disinfecting . Why arent people sitting down to ask, how are we going to use the space . How are we going to use the calendar . What can we do to make sure that kids can be as far apart as we can put them . And who is going to pay for that protective gear . How are we going to make sure that we have all hands on deck, because the kids will come back needing reading, writing and arithmetic, and they are all experiencing trauma. They are sitting at home right now knowing, even if they are watching tv and doing puzzles and video games, they know that there is something dangerous out there. Uncertainty,r and your whole world is upside down. I and feeling it. You are feeling it. The kids are feeling it. They will need the School Psychologist or school counselor. Teachers will need to be trained in dealing with the social and emotional needs of their children. Every one of them. Host now, let me ask this question. We talk a lot about the safety of the students. About do not hear as much the safety of the faculty, the teachers and administrators, people who work in the cafeterias and janitors. What type of policies need to be set to keep the teachers safe . Once again, a lot of our teachers are older. We fall into that category of people who might have underlying conditions. So whatever policies need to be put in place to make sure that they teachers are healthy enough to teach . Guest i am in that category now. You know, over on the edge of 60. So thank you for asking that question, because when i talk to my members, who are the big people that work in those schools, the only thing i hear from them are, how do i keep my kids safe. But you are right, we need to think about the older people. I cannot believe some of the things that people are saying. A is like, we will lose couple, but with the kids, we will only lose two or three of them. And there are people doing numbers on an acceptable amount of deaths if we open schools incorrectly. No, is just acceptable it is not. And those kids, whether or not they are high risk not, they are not immune to this, but may not risk the highest category. They are carriers. Like i said, in the classroom, in the overcrowded classroom i was coughed on, i hope the kids blew their noses in first grade. Blow their noses in first grade. Teachers got used to the germ factory. We are used to washing our hands. We did not wear masks or anything yet, but yeah, we have to worry about the kids sneezing and coughing on us. But think about it even further. They go home and they will sneeze and cough on mom and dad. You have a couple kids that andt have the coronavirus and not show symptoms. Those kids could be passing it on. And it is possible. Its possible to open the schools in a safe manner. And i do not hear one politician talking about that. I do not hear anyone talking about, here is our plan to distance and disinfect. And get the protective gear that we need. The entire village, the family of educators, including the custodians, the lunch ladies, the bus drivers, who are all in close proximity to a lot of kids um, and all of these blueribbon committees on opening the economy, there is not one educator. Theres not one school nurse. I tell you, you may even get a medical expert on some of those state and national committees. You mihght. But that Infectious Disease doctor does not know what i know about Orchard Elementary School and what might or might not be able to happen with 39 kids in my classroom. You need a teacher. You need the custodian. You need the school nurse to say, i am part of the solution, why am i not at the table . Host we will turn it over to the callers. Seem special lines for this conversation. That means parents, the number will be 202 7488000. Teachers and administrators, 202 7488001. And if you do not fit into those categories, the number will be 202 7488002. And you can also text to 202 7488003. Cspan are on twitter w j and on facebook. Lets start with a parent. Lynn is calling from california. Good morning. Caller . Good morning. I have to agree with her saying nobody from education has said much about the kids that are collapsing, the breakdown of the family. I know divorces that are starting. Now thereresting that is a trillion dollar fund, lets throw money at it and fix the problem. Now we are seeing the unions come out, because now it will affect their people. But when it was affecting the when it was affecting the Small Businesses and millions of americans to pick up the arees, now the unions coming out. There is an injustice that has occurred in our country and around the world, and it is completely disgusting and it is a kick in the gut to a small family just trying to survive. And the government and unions want to throw trillions of dollars at it, whatever, 26 trillion of their National Debt. Host go ahead and respond. Guest i would correct the caller that we were very supportive of the first packages that came out. A lot of our parents were helped was passed. Ng that a lot of our families that we serve needed the extra unemployment insurance, just to put food on the table. And we have been vocal about it. I do not think you had us on your show, but it is true that this is something that we all have to do together. And Something Like opening that Public School in a safeway toe way is absolutely vital Everything Else that we are trying to accomplish. Donald trump that got right is he said, you cannot open the economy unless you open the Public Schools. Now, he got Everything Else wrong after that. Giveen the schools no, us what we need to open the schools safely. No parent is going to send their doe back to a school that snt have a plan to keep the Little People and the big in that boating safe. There are ways it will be done and it will be different depending on where the school is, is it in a rural community, the suburbs, an urban community, what are the spaces around the school we can be really creative about solving problems. And so to have so many politicians and Business Leaders sitting on these committees simply say, open the schools. Figure it out later. No, do it right first before somebody gets hurt. Host we will go to martha calling from indiana. Good morning. Caller thank you for taking my call. I am enjoying the conversation very much. I hope the schools can be opened. Doest in the fall, fall not start until later in september. And here in indiana, School Starts somewhere around maybe even the seventh or eighth of august. And i am sureink, it has already been considered, but if School Started the monday after labor day, that would give families a week, labor day week, to celebrate and put money back into the economy. They closed before memorial day, that would give them the memorial day weekend, which would put money back in the economy too. That is my only thought. I know they will do a great job and the schools will be safe. I am a grandmother and i hope they can go back to school. Host let me add something to that,. We have heard from school systems, talking about opening in the summer to make up for in this lasted in this semester. Have you heard anything about the schools going back for extra work, may be a longer school day, to make up for the spring . Guest if anybody had asked me two and a half months ago how long would it take if we closed every school in america and had everything that was going on in a classroom has to be transferred to something virtual and Distance Learning, if anybody asked how long it would take, i would say about 1000 years. Because nobody has ever done that before. And we had to do it. And we did what we needed to do for our students. More creativen us than we have ever been before. And now we are talking about, as saying, what isas the right date . Again, lets put everything in order. We need to look at calendars, we need to say, what are the needs of the students . And what are we going to do to get everything where the kids need . But number one, academics, yes. Social and emotional development, yes. But you need a safe environment. Host lets go to brad, calling from new york. He is a parent as well. Good morning. Caller good morning, thank you for taking michael. As a parent my call. Learning at the home has been a complete disaster in new york. The teachers have tried to do a good job with zero innovation over the last two months. Basically, the parents are expected to spend eight hours a day teaching their children. As far as i know, we are not being paid to teach our kids. New york city spent 34 billion on education in 2019, which sounds like a lot of money to me. My question is, i know they are worried about safe classrooms, but what innovations or things nei doing to propose solutions . What about the parents . There have been no innovations. We are not getting any kind of live instruction. Host go ahead and respond. Guest there is nobody who wants to go back to having that relationship, that person to person relationship with her students more than the educators, more than a Classroom Teachers than the Classroom Teachers do. Turnre told in days, whatever you are doing in the classroom i am a hands on teacher, i do the projects and i have the children sing the constitution, these things that you can innovate in a classroom and be creative with, but for me that was my experience and that was my training. And overnight, people had to say, now learn something called zoom. Learn about how you will deliver this instruction. E from to beg some grac parents. We know our parents and that they are doing the best they can. We are doing the best we can. I have never seen our Teaching Staff and teachers work as hard as they are now. Areas, in some especially where the kids do not have wifi at home, the kids do not have a laptop that the parents can lend them. The only technology in the house may only be a smart phone by mom or dad, and mom has to take it to work and they cannot even phone the children. So we really are trying to be creative. Some of our folks are delivering packets of activities to their students homes. Greaterve never seen a appreciation between the parents and teachers, it is like we are all in this together. And we are going to get through it together. So, we know it is not perfect. But we are going to do the best we can. What we want to do is think ahead. And some of the things we have now, especially about the Digital Divide we just asked teachers, how is it going . We know that this was nobodys plan and that you had to do it quickly, but how is it going, the distancelearning. Disseminateable to the poll by how many children had free and reduced lunch in the schools, a measure of poverty. So the less poverty there was in the school, the better it was going. It isachers aside said frustrating, i am juggling a lot of things, but i think we are ok. But the more poverty, the more ere, i cannot get the kids on the phone, i cannot find mom and dad. They are not coming up on the website and i think it is because they do not have access. Some folks knocking on doors, saying, are you ok. So poverty has played a role in what we know we can do better at. For all those folks that said, i am trying and i cannot connect with the kids or their family and know what they got, when i sent. They said come everybody keeps saying i am going to go back to what i had, when are we going back to the way it was. And one teacher with tear in her eyess said it i hope we never go back. I did not realize the way it was was so bad. Was so bad. Our kids with so little in their homes they need a change. We need to change how we are reaching into those families. And hopefully, we never have to do anything like this again. But she said what they have we need to enrich their lives. What technology should we provide them at home, the way that we let them take on the textbooks. So i am hoping things will get better from what we have learned from this situation. Host we want to see if we can squeeze in one more. We have a teacher waiting to get on the line, calling from cleveland. Caller yes, thank you for taking my call. We know there will not be a treatment or vaccine by the fall, and the possibility of all of our people, the staff and students, being equipped with ppe, i think all resources it should be focused on training the teachers how to deliver a lesson remotely, investing in hotspots, internet access, forops and computers, ipads our kids, and possibly providing stipends for parents so they can have somebody come and monitor their children, making sure that they are doing their lessons. Host go ahead. Guest i want to think thank the teacher, because i have been asked it is not even a question, it is a solution. And it is what we do. There are millions of teachers right now who are very frustrated, who are doing the best they can in this horrible situation, as are the parents. But now we know, what if this happens again the doctors are saying whether we open the schools or not, the way that this goes they are we could have again. We could have to close schools again. Are we learning anything right now . And the answer is we are. We know where those gaps are. God help us, we have to do this again and there has to be a prolonged time where kids are learning at home and parents are having to help them, what are we doing to help the parents . What are we doing to ensure every kid has the basic technology to be connected, and what are we doing to train teachers who were never trained it to be distanced teachers . Get me those kids and i can them to stand on their heads and we will have a great time ended they will not know they are learning. Know theyy will not are learning, but i do not know how to do that in a distance situation. There are ways to reach out to kids. How are we going to change our teacher training . Those are all things we want to make better, and move go forward with something better. Ot back to what we had my last plug, call your senator. Extrahem we need this help from the federal government to open schools safely. It is the only thing that is going to get us through and it is not throwing money at the problem. It is actually keeping teachers, school counselors, custodians from being fired and for load. They are not going to be able to work for free and there is no money to pay them if we cannot get this passed. There will not be that village of Education Support to help those students and there will not be a way to open schools safely. We would like to thank lily ofelsen garcia, president the National Education association for joining us today to talk about the future of education. For our last hour, we will look at Higher Education colleges and universities. First off we will talk with devin jopp on safely reopening colleges and universities. Discusserry hartle will the impact of the coronavirus on Higher Education and how it could change the future of colleges and universities. Cuomo talkeddrew about the beginning of phased reopening in parts of new york state. Here is what he said. [video clip] now is onstion reopening. We will open half the regions in the state today, five regions out of 10. They are the regions that meet the numerical criteria. There is no politics to this judgment. There is no arbitrary nature to this judgment. Seven criteria, which basically measure the hospitalization rate, testing rate, etc. , and that is how the decision is made. The are extending the new york pause order, which is we are extending the new york pause order for the other regions. Meets its region benchmark at any time, regardless of the pause order, then that region can open. The responsibility for local local half officials have to enforce social distancing. These businesses are opening subjected to saying they will comply. Local officials have to make sure they are followed as well as social distancing guidelines for individuals. With a morning meeting review and monitor of infection and hospitalization rates will be held to. We are starting to turn the valve. One of my favorite graphics of a lot. A heck watch what happens to the infection rate, hospitalization rate. If those numbers start to move, slow down on the activity level. Monitor theyou to impact of this increase in public activity. Ou will see an increase we expect to see an increase. That increase has to be monitored and has to be controlled. We have talked about the infection rate, the rate of transmission. When the rate of transmission to a1. 1 , you are headed bad place, so monitor that rate immediately ifct you see an increase in those numbers. Washington journal continues. Host for our last hour, we will turn our attention to colleges and universities and talk about what their new normal may look like. Jopp,l start with devin ceo of the American College Health Association. Good morning. First, tell us what the American College Health Association is and what is the mission of your organization . Guest the American College Health Association was formed on the heels of the spanish flu. Our members represent the collective wellbeing needs of our nations College Students. We represent everyone from ,octors, recreation folks everyone on campus providing care and keeping students healthy on campus. Will bepuses reopen, we relying on those staff to take care of students when we return. Oft you put together a set guidelines for colleges and universities to look at for reopening. Walk us through some of those guidelines and what can and gould be done before schools back to full on campus learning environments. Guest we brought together some of the brightest minds in College Health to look at how do we do this in a way that helps our institutions be successful in delivering Higher Education to our students, but doing so in a healthy way. In this is a series of recommendations that look at what needs to happen. There are some boundary effects that need to happen. We need to see decreases sustained when we look at deaths and new illnesses and hospitalization. If our communities are overwhelmed, our universities will have a hard time getting back to the ability to pry their services. Are goingsee, if we to reopen, there will be social distancing and it doing that on a College Campus is a difficult inherently. We have dorms, dining facilities, classrooms. Within those, creating aroundnes about social distancing, providing ppe to faculty and students all the way down to our cleaning staff, they are all going to need this. That we have a testing function in place in the country that can scale and it is also affordable. We will need to be able to do largescale testing to determine whether our students have the coronavirus and it to be able to help provide the tools to those institutions. These are a set of guidelines that are not trying to tell institutions whether they should or should not open, but if you are going to do it, these are the things you need to take into consideration. That schoolsthink can actually safely reopen this fall . Differenting a lot of decisions about a lot of different schools. The university of california system says they are going online. Ohio state and the university of pennsylvania say students will be welcomed back on campus. What should people do . Guest what is driving a lot of this is the economics. Higher education is taking a huge hit in terms of the financial inability to hold classes and bring students back on campus. The challenge is how do you keep staff and faculty if you cannot provide education . Said, you are seeing universities take different approaches. We are all trying to wait and see ultimately what is going to happen. I think we are all watching to see, what are we seeing across the nation . Frontal leader saying they would go online. University of louisiana then you have others like i university of arizona who are seeing we are going back but we have tested developed our own testing for covid19 and we are going to open infirmarys on our campus. It ranges the gamut. 20 your question, each institution has to look at what your question, each institution has to look at their own area. Our viewers get involved on this conversation. If you are a College Student and you are watching this morning, we want to hear from you on what do you think should happen with your college or university this fall. College students, whether you are undergraduate, graduate, or phd, i want to hear from you at 202 7488000. Another big piece of the puzzle is a faculty and administration. I want to know what you think. Your number is going to be, 202 7488001. A lot of times the people paying for college our parents. Parents, i wanted to hear from you. What do you think should happen in the fall . 202 umber will be 7488002. Students, 202 7488000. Administration, 202 7488001. Arents, 202 7488002 we are always reading social cspanwj. Twitter when of the biggest concerns will be those dorms one of the biggest concerns will be those dorms. I remember using the communal showers and bathrooms at the university of mississippi. Those places werent always clean. Universities deal with oncampus housing and keeping students safe if they open up in the fall . Guest it is a huge challenge. In some cases, we just might not be able to for some students, particularly those who are immunocompromised. Putting them into a dorm just might not be possible in the beginning. Remote learning may be their only option, but for others it is going to be we are finding a new normal with dorms. It might be single student per room. It might be trying to expand offcampus housing to the extent that universities can do that, but it is a challenge and it is why testing is so important. If we cannot test students accurately and often and in a costeffective manner, we cannot put them back in dorms. This goes handinhand with us being able to use testing and social distancing measures to make that a safe environment for students. The last thing we want to do is ring students to campus, get students to bring campus, get them sick, then send them home to their families. Phones. Ts head to the we start with the lee who is calling from lawrenceville, georgia. Go ahead. Caller the reason i am calling is because i have been teaching fully online classes for georgia State University since 2008. I want to share with my colleagues that i appreciate the huge transition you had to make with virtually no notice, but there is a lot that people do not know about Teaching Online. It is not a matter of recording everything and letting students watch tapes of you doing your lectures. It is not a matter of sending people powerpoint slides that they can read to themselves. A huge part of this is developing new pedagogys that work online. I am a huge proponent of using the socratic method through Message Boards online. I am not going to say i am the expert, but until the right one comes along, i just might have to do. People can reach out to me online. I would be happy to share ideas about effectively online teaching for the probability that we may need to do a great lot more of that. Are a lot of schools planning to do the online learning. You see universities and colleges bringing students back to the dorm and letting them take passes online from their dorms instead of doing it from home or the classroom . Would that be an option as well . Universityink every is probably doing multiple scenario planning. We cannot do largescale classes. Whether that is letting them do hybrid classes where there online some and then they come into class, if we space out desks and try to maintain six almoste will have to do time shares between having students in the classroom and getting facetoface and doing online. Lee brings up a good point that there is a whole different strategy to Teaching Online then there is in a facetoface classroom environment. The faculty are a big part of making that transition work. From lets talk with ben dip plains, illinois. Deplanes, illinois. Said inmy high school an emailed that only 10 of transitioning High School Seniors into freshman are retrieving transcripts College Freshman are retrieving transcripts. A lot of High School Seniors are being scared out of college because of the current pandemic and i wonder if this will force a lot of College Classes to strictly online classes and the issue that well because for some students who need oneonone will cause for some students who need oneonone. Guest it is the challenge of what is going to happen with enrollment. All of our institutions are waiting to see. Between now and june, we will have a much clearer perspective with what is happening. Need thatnts oneonone attention. The importance and value of a facetoface education, that it i cannot think cannot be replicated i think that is where hybrid options will be crucial. It is an issue around, we just do not know yet what that enrollment will look like. Once we do, trying to figure out how we ensure we service the needs of those unique individuals. Host there was a poll done that asked College Students what they thought should be done. I will read a little bit from this poll. Collegewo thirds of students say they would attend in person classes if colleges reopened this fall, even if there is no Coronavirus Vaccine or cure. The findings suggest that even when faced with the prospect of pack to lecture halls without a vaccine, most students want to have an actual college experience, not a virtual one. That could be good news for the financial survival of universities but a challenge from a Public Health perspective since there is sure to be a need to social distancing keep cases from spiking again. As the story said, there will still be that Public Health need to social distance. Do you think schools should require masks and gloves or once again, like you said earlier, will this be a school by School Decision . Guest with developing the guidelines, we obviously cant enforce them, but in our guidelines, we call for wearing socialespecially at gathering locations. Even in dining halls. I think we are going to half to we have got to do it safely. That, wenot ensure cannot reopen. That is the double issue we are trying to walk with. I think it is possible in some areas if we take the right precaution. That is investing in the right distancinging social. Investing in the health and campus willn require a lot of support around students. Answer your question, i think it is possible but it has to be with the right procedures and policies in place that help protect others from getting ill. Also Building Measures for quarantine to be able to measure cases who do get sick and quickly be able to separate them from the rest of the student body. Anotherts talk to member of the faculty and administration this is going to be john calling from glenview, illinois. Good morning. Thanks for taking my call. I am interested in i have not looked at your guidelines yet. What are you doing in terms of survey classes at major universities like the university of illinois, or you have 400, 400, 500ere you have students in one classroom. What is and they guidelines that might inform administrators at major universities with very large classes . Thet thank you for question. It really comes back to some of the things we have been hitting on here. The guidelines call for when we have large mass gatherings, we maintain six feet of distance, we wear masks. What we may end up having to do is run those courses multiple times or some may have to be remote and online. Some classes just cannot be taught online, they are labs. We will have to figure out how to socially distance those and that will be almost like reservations in the laboratory and trying to maintain social distancing. Each institution will have to use these guidelines and figure out how to effect that in the classroom and make sure they are creating conditions where we are not to creating a petri dish for the covid virus to spread. Host we talked a lot about keeping students safe. What about faculty and staff at colleges and universities . What steps should colleges and universities be taking to make sure the people who actually on the cafeterias, who teach are staying safe as well . Guest the largescale use of criticalasks will be whether they are in the classroom teaching, meeting with students. We need to be up front that some of our faculty and staff, above the age of 60 or 65, we have to be cautious with them. They are in a higher risk group. That may be again using them remotely in some places are trying to be very cautious in how we construct our classroom getronment for them not to out. We got the basics of things like handwashing, how to manage a of the basic hygiene that we normally do on campus, but we also have to sprinkle in trying to keep them safe by crating classrooms that are not stacking students in there to tightly and maintaining social distancing. Host lets talk to one of our college parents. Awn. Is going to be d isler i have a student who early college, so she was basically taking college early. She expressed a certain amount of depression before in reference to having to take Classes Online or doing a lot of online work with teachers. The focus is just not there. If she had she had a teacher she didnt really like online. Her future perspective as far as possibilities in working and what society will have for her is a dwindling. Whereare in a situation parents are losing their jobs. The mental state of students, will college even help me if i go . Adjunct teachers are not able to be there. Elderly teachers are used to lecturing and not technologically literate. Adjuncts do not make enough to put all they can into teaching because they have to get another to payause of the cut for adjuncts and no benefits and so forth. Guest Mental Health is a huge issue. It was already a challenge for Higher Education before covid. We have seen a growing depression and anxiety rates. You throw in the pandemic. We are concerned about the impact of Mental Health on our students, rising rates of suicide, depression, and anxiety. We are doing more teleMental Health. There are big challenges with all these states loosening up their guidelines around that, but that is important to provide supporting providing support remotely for these students. When you look to the Great Recession back into thousand eight, those with the degrees economically rebounded more 2000 eight, those with degrees banded more quickly, so have faith in the rebounded more quickly. Those are all key issues. Trying to protect all our folks who are certainly over the age of 65 will be a crucially part of the strategy that each university will have to figure out. Pamela who talk to is also faculty, administration. She is calling from south dartmouth, massachusetts. Adult Education Teacher and Adult Education has not been touched on yet in your program because many of those are Community College based part of a Public School system or smallf a other kind of community projects. Adult education schools depend on the state or federal money. We are not part of any ivy league or high endowment university. We are trying now to decide what kind of programs we will have in the fall. I am not on the faculty now, but i am on the faculty of a communitybased Adult Education program. We become adults become productive adults, so our role is employed important. Is we cannot get developments materials. We do not have a way to get laptops or many of the extensive systems. Our school doesnt even have advanced internet. Havef our students do not any kind of wifi i home. At home. Keepasking for everyone to in mind that in every city they live in, there will be programs to educate adults and we are hoping there will be some as your previous speaker said from the nea, some people represented committeesunities across the country who are higher ed, adult Education Teachers, elementary teachers. Guest i think Community Colleges and in some adult vocational programs are crucial that we have to figure out. They will rely on community i think for care and the issue she brings up around the Digital Divide is an issue. I thinkitating that in some cases we cannot even reach those students that may not have access to technology. Those are all valid points. Our institutions are working hard to come up with answers and solutions to try to address these. To thankwould like devin jopp, ceo of the American College Health Association for talking about how schools and universities should safely reopen weather virtually or in person. In q4 coming with us this morning. Coming thank you for fest this morning. Coming up, terry hartle for coming with us this morning. Coming up, terry hartle talks more about Higher Education. The director of the International Monetary fund discusses why she does not believe we will knowing heres what she said. [video clip] seen in ourot lifetime such a dramatic drop in Economic Activities that is actually of our own making. We have taken the conscious decision to stop working. Theresult is a shock for world economy. Just to give a you an illustration, it was not that long in january when we were in da wevos. Davos. We projected growth at 3. 3 . We had to drop our growth projection by over 6 . We are in minus territory. Incoming data tells us it is likely that for some economies to be in an even more ad versus an reo then we projected just seur weeks ago more asver then weadverse scenario projected that just four weeks ago. Not as dramatic impact on Economic Activities and ismployment, but shrinking what we were projecting. We do expect a rebound, a 2021, even infor the best Case Scenario it would only be a partial recovery. 2023,er words, in 2022, 2019 situation returning. Wow. That is very sobering. It will be a time for the world to come together and go through this crisis. We will be on the other side. The more we cooperate, the better the outcome will be. Washington journal continues. Host we are back with terry hartle, Senior Vice President of government and Public Affairs for the American Council on education. We will continue our discussion about the impact the coronavirus is having on universities. Is the what exactly American Council on education and what is your groups mission . A coalition of University President s based in d. C. We have about 2000 members. They are all president s of twoyear and fouryear public universities four dear yearrsities four universities around the country. , how are your members telling you that this pandemic is affecting their particular institutions . I am sure it varies, but what is the top things you are hearing . Almost every college and university is closed. All institutions regardless of where they are have been significantly affected by the pandemic. Mostly institutions in the short run have been looking at changes in their financial picture, changes in the financial picture come from the need to refund money, say room and board charges. Eightwide that totals alien dollars alone just for the billion alone 8 just for the last couple of months of the spring semester. Auxiliary revenue like summer camps and bookstores, those are all shut down. Last year colleges and universities made about 50 billion on auxiliary revenue. That helps finance the running of the institution. Andd, all Colleges Universities are facing added expenses due to the pandemic. Some of these are straightforward like increased security for campus buildings that are now shuttered, the cost of deep cleaning every campus building and continuing to maintain the deep cleaning and the things to go along with that. Many schools have moved online entirely. That has created and in normas cost for schools that were not already largely online. The combination of revenue reductions and increased expenses that played havoc with the budget of every institution in the country. Host several universities and colleges have talked about Salary Reductions and hiring freezes. Are there schools that just will of reopen ever again because the coronavirus pandemic . I know a lot of schools were in trouble even before the pandemic began. Has the pandemic forced any of the colleges and universities to close forever . Caller a handful guest a handful literally of universities have said they will not reopen. These were institutions that were deeply troubled to begin with. The pandemic was the final straw. You have the Art Institute of san francisco, school that is 150 years old. It survived world war i, the depression, world war ii. They have announced they will not reopen this fall. Ofre are a small number those. Predictions are impossible because the duration of the pandemic, and the depth of the economic downturn are extremely uncertain. It is not just that we have had a pandemic. That is terrible in its own right, we also have the economic collapse we have seen in the last couple of months. That affects millions of americans and every organization in our society. The Biggest Issue will be colleges and how soon colleges and universities can be open and if they will be able to resembling anything normal operations. Are getting ready for multiple scenarios depending on the course of the pandemic in their area. Are a lot of universities making different decisions about what theyre doing in the fall. Some are opening up a virtually. Some are inviting students back to campus. Tot do universities need consider before making the decision to open online or in person . Guest that is a casebycase decision. Last week the california State University system of 23 institutions in california with 500,000 students announced they would be going fully online for the fall semester. Part of the issue there is the inrse of the pandemic california. The Los Angeles County board of supervisors announced that their stayathome order will be in place through the end of july. Get to the end of july and you have not been able to open your campus facilities since march, it is difficult to imagine opening them and to being fully ready to go by september. That is a case where they were very much influenced by the Public Health orders in california. Be someal, there will very basic questions first, the course of the pandemic and whether or not they are acting in ways that are consistent with local and state Public Health orders. No school will want to challenge local and state health Public Health orders. Second, will they be able to screen employees and students upon arrival to assess symptoms and any history of exposure . Third question is whether or not students will be able to protect students and employee these who are at higher risk if they contract covid19. Another question will be, what are elementary and secondary schools in the area doing . If elementary and secondary schools are closed, it is hard to imagine that universities will feel free to open in a normal sense. Host we are going to have special lines for this segment and once again we wanted to hear from the College Students, whether you are working on your chillers, associates, masters bachelors, masters, or your phd. Your number will be 202 7488000. Faculty and administrators, your number is 202 7488001. And those who are most likely paying for this, the parents, i want to know what you are thinking. 202 7488002. College students, 202 7488000. ,aculty and administrators 202 7488001. Parents, 202 7488002. We are always reading twitter spanwj. c readedo you one from you one from online. Do colleges and universities plan on discounting tuition due to the inability to provide inperson Services Like tutoring centers . Do we expect to see the cost of College Going down if it is going to be virtual this fall . Are decisions individual institutions will make to the extent to which they are able to open for normal operations. Any students want a residential education. Many students want a residential education and if they cannot have it, they believe some accommodations are necessary and desirable. Those are decisions every institution will have to make on their own. Extentllenges to the to which universities can open for normal operations on time. By normal operations, i mean exactly what you would have seen in the fall of 2019. Hopes thatdent normal operations are the rule of the day, but we are also hearing discussions about things like starting these semester later the semester later. Instead of starting in september, you start in october or november. There is talk of having some students on campus and to learning remote. Some places ofn changing the academic calendar so you move the fall of 2020 two the spring of 2021 and the ash the fall of to the spring of 2021. These are decisions universities will make on a oneonone basis. If what is on offer is not of interest to the students and families, if they do not think the education they will receive is not worth the money, they may decide to sit out a year until return toes hopefully completely normal operations. It is so hard to predict just because the course of the pandemic is what it is. Three months ago, we could not have imagined where we would be today in the middle of may. It is a little hard to look down the road and imagine where we will be in the middle of august and september and how that will change University Operations and student plans. Membersat are your telling you about enrollment for the fall . You just said some students may decide to set out. The are already seeing the decline of students coming in. What are your members telling you about enrollment for grad students and are the International Students what are we seeing as far as enrollment goes . Thet the Biggest Issue in mind of every college and University President in the country we recently did a survey of our members and 83 said they were worried about Fall Enrollment because we simply do not know. Typicalingly, in recessions, Higher Education enrollment tends to go up because people go to school, get schools to better compete in the job market. 2009, College Enrollment went up by one million students. This time, we think it is going to be different because the economic downturn has been so severe and sudden. We have had well over 30 million americans lose jobs. Many of those who lost jobs were planning on sending kids to college this fall. Theirere hoping to have kids return to college in the fall. Potentially will affect their economic plans. Economic every pbs downturn, this time unlike every previous economic downturn, this time we have the concern of safety. College dormitories can really spread infections very quickly. Universities were among the first universities organizations to shut down as soon as we realized how contagious the virus was. Weeks media calls for two asking if College University president s werent overreacting because they were closing so quickly. That same consideration, the ability of infections to spread in dorms means that colleges and universities will have to be cautious about making a decision to reopen. To haveery anxious protocols from the federal government and other authorities to layout the standards and practices of an educational that educational institutions ought to be following. States are developing those, but they will differ if we do not have one overarching, commonly agreedupon national set of standards. That is what worries us now, that we are not seeing those. Anionwide, we are estimating enrollment decline on the order of 15 . We think the number of International Students will fall 25 . International students have grown steadily. Those numbers have leveled off. Only theface not struggle of getting a visa, but also the issue of safety and whether they want to be millions hundreds of miles from home during an international pandemic. The difficulty of getting visas and safety concerns will make cause enrollment to drop significantly during the fall. Host we start calls with morgan who is a College Student out of charlotte, North Carolina. I am a rising senior and i am a Political Science and history major. I was calling to piggyback off of what your guest was saying about how enrollment is going to drop and particularly learning styles when it comes to college not at myself, i am distance learner. I was able to make this semester successful but i had a lot of peers who were not able to do so. When you are a researcher, you you have a archives that are closed. That was challenging for me specifically to complete my work. Doing hbc yout is services. Hbcu we have received less money than predominantly white universities paired i wanted to call out the u. S. Department of education on that. We deserve the same amount of money and relief than any other as any other university. Guest congratulations for completing the academic year. Youre right, it is totally disorienting to move from residential education to fully online and you are right, the Academic Resources may not be the same for many academic disciplines. Graduate and professional students, particularly graduate students doing research have been particularly affected by the pandemic, because it shut off resources they need to do their academic work. The first thing is to simply say congratulations. The second thing is to say that congress has put forward legislation to provide funding for colleges, universities, and students. The department of education has developed formulas to send these moneys act. The formulas are written into the law. The department of education is following the law the best they can. It is complex. Sometimes agencies who do things that do not make sense to people like me who watch it very closely, but they are facing a considerable challenge. Congress is considering a another spending bill that would provide money to students and institutions. That pass to the house yesterday. At some point, i think the senate will be getting to consider what might happen next. I can report that the bill that the house passed provides more money for institutions and students than before and i certainly share your perspective about historically black colleges and universities. They are extraordinarily Important International national resource. Africanamericans who get thoseors we cannot let institutions whether on the vine. On the vine. Extent that it appears that the first amount of Money Congress provided was inadequate or was not directed toward they wanted it, i think you will see congress addressed that very early in the next spending bill. Host quick question for you because i have had a lot of discussions around this issue we know schools with large endowments Like Harvard University return to loan money they could have gotten under the coronavirus stimulus package. I have heard a lot of people say, hes at schools with large endowments, why cant they these schools with large endowments, why cant they use theirown money to make endowments to make the coming semester better . Guest a very fair question. There are about 4500 colleges and universities in the country. About 200 of them have substantial endowments. It is a small percentage of places that have the possibility of doing that. In the endowment is not a savings account. It is a collection of funds that have accumulated over time for very specific purposes. Harvard has 15,000 separately identifiable funds that can impose its endowment. If someone endows a chair in russian studies at harvard, the money can only be used for that. If someone endows a scholarship for a student from a milwaukee and there is no student from milwaukee that qualifies, they cannot turn around and give that scholarship to someone from nashville the matter how much the student from nashville might deserve it. Harvard does get a great deal of money from its endowments. 35 of itsghly operating fees from its endowments every year. That is possibly why it is one of its very best that is possibly why it is one of the very best institutions in the world. Are restricted. They are generally very limited in what they can be spent for. You cannot turn around and use that money for something else. Ideed, just to the other day received something from harvard, noting they had put hiring freezes and salary freezes in place and they had cut salaries of some of the top officers of the university. Every college and university in the world will be negatively impacted by the pandemic from the richest, most prestigious, to the smallest and most humble. Grasping toution is respond to an unprecedented economic and Public Health emergency. It will take a while for institutions to figure out how to do it. Loanrd did not turn down funds. Harvard turned down funds that congress provided that were for the institution and students. Harvard students will release receive less funds because harvard turned down the money. Congress wanted some of those funds to go directly to students. Harvard decided it was simpler not to take any funds at all. Harvard turned down some money that might have helped harvard college, harvard university, but they also turned down money that was to go 100 to economically needy students. Collegets take another student. Catherine from fredericksburg, virginia. Caller good morning. I am a returning to school senior. I am 60 and i am studying psychology. I really appreciate the work the college has done to get us into online learning. You have full access to our Library Resources we have full access to our Library Resources online as well. Sitting to your earlier presenter and collars, i did not realize how many people did not rs, i didss calle not realize how many people did not have access to the internet. I can see where it would be a big struggle for people. Guest thank you very much. I am delighted you are comfortable online. I would not be comfortable online if my life depended on it. I am so glad that you are and that you had a pretty good experience. Colleges and universities moved fully online very quickly. A large number of institutions have been moving online over the last 20 years and some are fully online. In january, lot of institutions that were offering institution classes in person decided they would have to move them online and use the Online Platforms they had available. But institutions have discovered manyat their own what colleges and universities have discovered is that their own platforms were not robust enough to serve everyone in their student body and that there was a Digital Divide. There were some students that lacked reliable access to highspeed internet. Things colleges and universities are doing over the summer is trying to figure out how can we cobble together a much stronger, more effective Online Presence for students who are going to need it in the fall if we have to be online. Which colleges and universities moved online is quite remarkable foreign industry that has a reputation for being pretty slow to change. I was talking to the president of New York University team mentioned to me that at the start of the semester, they had 15,000 classes they were offering in person, but by the end of the semester, all but seven of those classes were in online. Universities did a good job trying to patch things together. If schools have to go fully online in the fall, they will do it at her and more effectively. Previous speaker referenced, this does not work equally well from for all students in all he academic in all academic programs. It can expand learning opportunities, but it is not a panacea and figuring out how to balance those is it something we will be wrestling with for years to come. Host this is a conversation that could go on for hours about unfortunately we have run out of time. 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