I think the main thing to focus on at this point we will bring in the leader on this point is Congress Needs to come back, in your view, to do this last him in this package. You believe, frankly, it has become untenable for you and for the house generally to have lawmakers on the sidelines as you craft these kind of trillion dollars spending packages every couple of weeks. Explained in your view what kind of changes need to be made here to Bring Congress back and to get the plays back working again. Rep. Mccarthy thanks for having me on. My big challenge here is how can you do another bill and not have the committees work . Are you going to have a few people craft this . Think of how much we passed already 3 trillion. You take that along with what the fed is giving. That is 7 trillion into the economy. We want to make sure that is implemented correctly. In my letter today, it starts out with what Benjamin Franklin once said. Plan, you feeling the are planning to fail. My letter is not a partisan letter at all. Part of this is this Bipartisan Group we put together to work on this. There are some phases to it. We should bring a few committees back now because you want to have social distancing. Water resources. You are going to do good preparation bill. Bring the subcommittees back. They could be in bigger rooms, have social distancing. We ought to make an agreement with one another. Lets put the partisanship aside. Lets not let those political games being played. Those would be more bipartisan. Once the bills are done and move through, you can bring the rest of congress back. You can change how congress looks inside the house vote. Even the speaker said it was a fabulous job. Coming in segments to vote so there are not too many people on the floor at once. Brought up speaking to a lot of people in the medical community. If you go to Grocery Stores today, home depot, there is plexiglass next to the cashiers. In those high traffic areas, we can do that as well. Look at those situations. We sit in three different offices. We know the sizes of them. You can limit the number of staff so you have social distancing. I think this is a capability able to happen. When those come out of committee, there will be a signed, this is the day we will look. You bring more people back to vote. They can vote on that specific day, maybe two days, and then depart. Youve got to get Congress Working again. It is essential we work. In california, the democrats control the state assembly. The speaker is bringing them back today to start working. Congress cannot stay shut down. Government has to continue to be able to work in the process. You dont want to sit back and say i am going to craft some other bill, the democrats picking numbers before deciding what is in it. And you are going to bring everybody back for an upanddown vote. That is not how congress should work. That is not how the american voice should be delivered. I believe we can do both in a different manner. Jake let me ask you this as a followup. A lot of people think logically, 2020, why arent we allowing people to vote from their offices around the country . We are in a pretty perilous environment, Public Health setting. Explain to us why you are against remote voting, which i believe you are, and why you are against proxy voting. You could vote for another member of congress if you are here and they are not. Rep. Mccarthy lets get to your second question first, proxy voting. Constituents lend their voice to the congresswoman or congressman every two years and expect to hold them accountable. When you give a proxy vote, you are giving their voice to someone else they cannot hold accountable. Can you imagine going to the floor, the last book, and people saying i will not come back. One member says the last 200 votes, that all passes. Thats a real challenge to me. Theres a certain situation if we are living in a different world with covid, theres a way we can work toward something. You talk about technology. Im a big believer in technology. I utilize technology probably more than any office. What we found is you should always test something before you go after it. We get attacked trying to come into our technology. I watched in iowa, the democrats saying technology was going to be there answer. They ended up not even counting the vote. Ive watched oversight have a zoom meeting and get attacked three different times. I watched the college do one and it was atrocious that got up at the same time. People would focus on attacking the house. Is there a way we can do something prior to bringing it back . There is Something Special about people meeting facetoface. It is a better way to solve the problem. This is nearly 200 years of history, you dont want to wipe it away. I do believe i think there is a way that committees and have discussions utilizing technology. I believe in a hybrid so we can come back in a Committee Form with social distancing, you have interaction. How will you make a secondary motion deck of how will you move on a different hearing . There are some members that have a challenge from their own health and others, maybe they can participate in the meeting by being able to listen by technology but i dont think any voting should take place by a zoom or other come i think you need to be in place for any markup. I believe an Ethics Committee or Intel Committee should not be using Something Like that, we are too vulnerable. Walk, runa crawl, program. Lets see if there is hybrid that can do this. I have two practical questions. You put forth your plan, may be the speaker will adopt some of your plan, we will see how that takes up but there are two real practical points. One, do you agree or disagree with speaker mcconnell who said they didnt want to have the testing . Thinku think do you people should be able to go to their offices . I disagree about the testing. Lets be realistic. States do this every time, as we open up, we cannot assume there will not be a flareup somewhere. I want to be prepared for that. You want to have tracing. We are watching testing, in the last week we tested more than one. 8 million. Every week testing improves and every week we learn something more about the virus. I want to be prepared because a large citywe are in washington. It is your capital, your government. We want to make sure the government doesnt collapse are isnt able to meet. What does that say to the country and the world . You want to make sure it is functioning. You want to have the tests where you can have a quick response. Especially if there is some kind of outbreak, you can quarantine those individuals, test others and have government keep working. Because the public is not able to be in these meetings, i want to make sure everybody is able to see them. It is more critical for the press, i want to make sure they would be treated like members and be in those meetings to be able to cover them. And they should be tested. That is less than 100 tests. We are talking about the funding of government, the appropriation bills, have the subcommittees meeting now. We have had a Small Business meeting with more than 50 members and it worked. You have a subcommittee on appropriations meeting this week. This is doable. We proved we can vote and meet and lets take these essential things, have one done and when those bills are done, there so youe more bipartisan wont have any games played on the floor so we wont have to have as many votes on the floor. That is one of the members could come back area when you are , they willh offices be in the office themselves, you probably have to change the aspect of the number of staff that could come in. You will have to deal with fewer staff, not sure if you will have that many adult, only in committee, and being able to take care. The world is different than it was two months ago. If you have been out in your community, people are acting different. You stand when you are waiting in line, more than six feet away from one another. We treat each other differently than before. We are adults. I think we can handle this. I believe members can handle it because they have been educated in a different manner. E have been better prepared the administration has done a good job setting up work from home so staff can work from home. In personnteraction and a vote taking up legislation i think is critical and we can handle it and do it. Doctors, delivery drivers, dispatchers, how many people are doing this every day . We can do this in a safe manner but i do believe you dont bring once. Congress back at lets to a few committees, you can do a few other committees and you will learn from that at the same time. I believe it would be critical to have the testing here because there would be a flareup. How many people from other parts of the country come to this location . Do you have confidence in the attending physicians advising you . Ep. Mccarthy very much so not only the attending physician, but other people, where, i elicit their input. We will continue to learn something more about the virus every day and we have to be willing to adapt. My letter is not a partisan letter. It is coming from members of the bipartisan commission. We want to see government opened up and it takes that exact approach, how can we do at . We cant sit back and say we arent going to meet again until we have another big 1 trillion bill to vote on. That is denying americans a voice in this process. I want to make sure it is safe. You had about 400 members vote last time, we did that safely. Atmittee work is critical this time, especially if you are talking about government funding, national defense, water resources, or a fourth bill. How often are you getting tested . Rep. Mccarthy i have been tested twice. When i go to the white house to see the president , there is a 10 minute test. Remember the snapshot from that the initial opening i think people down there get tested once a week to make sure government can work. You have been traveling from coasttocoast while most of us have not been. Give us a sense of what it has been like in airports. Are you wearing a mask . Rep. Mccarthy someone asked the other day about meetings on the floor. Some didnt,ks, nancy pelosi didnt wear a mask. Distancing,s social you dont have to wear a mask. You could, but you dont. On have watched how we dealt the floor, we made sure there was social distancing. We are cleaning up the microphone. You could speak without the mask but when you are walking through the halls, you watch members wear masks. When i travel on to the plane i am Wearing Masks and gloves. If you watch everybody on the plane, they are wiping down every part. It is cleaner than the planes have been at any other time. I listened to a medical expert who said the plane in his opinion, dont take this it was told to me, because of the cleaning of the air so many times it is cleaner when we are meeting. The planes have changed. People flyinge back then the last couple times. The airline is no longer selling the middle seat so you have some distance. You dont get food on the planes. It is a little different in that aspect. People dont get up as much. You arent getting food. People are clear, they keep to themselves, they keep their masks on when they fly, they wipe every part of the seats down. Even when we get off the plane, how people would crowd to get off the plane, people give each other the social distance they need. That is a place we can work through. Those who are on the plane themselves, the pilots and others, are wearing gloves and masks. What does your gut tell you . You guys have laid down red lines in the next stimulus bill. You want libel Liability Protections. Wontesident said he approve anything without a payroll tax cut. Im curious, sitting here today, yes or no, whether you believe there will be another bill and if not, or if so, how many bills do you anticipate . By saying there will be another bill, you are taking the wrong approach. Im not saying theres not going to be another bill, but what the approach should be, first, we just passed 3 trillion. You want to make sure that is implemented correctly. Then, you want to take the data from where there is a challenge in the country. I believe there will be some challenges. Then you come back having that information and Start Talking about crafting the bill to deal with those items. What is concerning to me is, you have policymakers passing the , we needl saying another bill, it needs to be 2 trillion. Just picking a number. I believe that is the wrong approach. Lets first see this money into implemented, see where it works. Maybe it is just more flexibility. As states begin to open up, you will have more information about where resources are needed to you mightther areas be wasting money. I do believe that is why you need committees to be able to have the information and the markup and do it with the data out currently instead of an emotion. It will go further and be more productive. I think you are not going to find someone will craft a bill and it is just going to become law. I dont believe that is what the country needs. I think you need Liability Protection especially for Small Businesses and others. The president is looking for what he believes it needs for economic gain, payroll tax deductions. You brought up earlier about the town hall last night. You talked about incumbency. That is not what i took from it. Background,d at the this is my favorite monument in washington. Think about what it was saying to the nation. This is what i took from it. The greatest challenge ever to our constitution and this nation has been the civil war. A country divided but coming back together. Knowing what we are going through right now is one of those moments, like a 9 11, world war ii and others, this is a real challenge for our nation and the world but it also reminded us that we can do great things. Doing same time you are the civil war, they were building a second dome on the capital, connecting the country on a railroad. Were trying to build a nation back together and thinking about what the nation should look like 50 years from now. We should be doing the same thing as policymakers. The virus, notat just for the nation but for the world. We will never be in this position again, we will never allow china could to control the supply chain, we will never allow america to be put in a position we are put in right now. Those are things i think we should be doing in congress and having the hearings and why it is so important we do meet in person. It is a fundamental difference from thinking you are going to solve the worlds problems by zoom. We had a couple audience questions come in before we started. One of them goes to this point, the fabric of this country, state and local, the fight we have heard from Senate Majority leader mcconnell and others about getting state and local funding in the next stimulus package. What limitations would you put on future state and local aid . Rep. Mccarthy first of all, the money can only be about covid. Talking about locals and others, i am concerned about just sending money to a state. In one month, we gave more than 500 billion to the states. Medicare, we use roughly 600 billion dollars in a year so that is a lot of money going out. And people are asking for more. I dont think the money should be used for any thing other than covid. I would like a little a plan that is a little different. On aabout if cities smaller scale, if i sent it to sacramento they would take 25 off the top. Would they get the resources they need for their police and fire with their sales tax down . How can we guarantee that whatever we do goes directly to the right sources . The us the numbers, show us change. Dont give us this idea that you are going to take away the mismanagement i making by making hardware Hardworking Taxpayers bail them out . You can almost apply for a grant, let the cities do it themselves so you dont have the governors taking their portion off the top to try to balance their mismanagement of their funding. If it is truly a need for the cities and counties, let them come directly to us. Have you grade your governor, a lotnewsom, who has been in the news and has caught some flack about beach openings . Rep. Mccarthy i was just on with the governor. We did an entire delegation. I told the governor come i thanked him for the work he had done especially, i think that was a real example about, he has worked with the federal government and the federal government has worked with him. I watched Governor Cuomo almost have these emotional reactions in his press conference to try to criticize and come back the other way. I have watched gavin newsom, when he is on the view and they are trying to get him to Say Something negative about the the vice, he says, president would come up to me and says i enjoyed working together. That is what the American Public wants to say. They shouldnt criticize Governor Newsom or the Vice President for working together. That should be something people should celebrate. The governor, and california, we have been fortunate. We have less than 3000 deaths in california out of 40 million people. , we have taken our actions may be faster than new york, mass transit seems to be to deal with this faster but we have had a different approach. Make allow governors to decisions, california is so large. We are really 4 states. State, 12 ofn the entire nation lives in our state. One size does not fit all which is why i believe in my own philosophy of being a conservative, more local control, the better. The let them make decisions. They shut down the beaches in southern california. I would allow the supervisors in the cities to make those decisions because they are dealing with their local Public Health, and they know best what is on the ground, not from sacramento. Sacramento is six hours away. How does he know what is happening . He will take this decision based on something he saw on the internet . ,hat i saw on those beaches they have some of the best lifeguards anywhere in the world. This is surf city, usa. They take it serious town there. They wouldnt want something to happen to our city. I would listen to the locals much more than what i am seeing right now. I want to switch gears a little. Are you ok with dr. Fauci testifying to the senate and not the house . Rep. Mccarthy that is a question for the white house about where it is at. I would like to see if we are able to have hearings here in the capital in those committees, for hearing benefit from him on purpose, you could have witnesses coming in. As a general proposition i assume you want him to testify in front of the house since you are in the house. Rep. Mccarthy i dont know what they are looking for. Is there someone else who is a better witness . It is more beneficial to get information to be able to make policy make those decisions with the most information possible. Do you plan to name people to the committee, the oversight committee, the nancy pelosi rep. Mccarthy i will announce that this week. One of my greatest concerns is to make sure we have accountability. That is why in the cares act we created three entities of oversight. That is beyond what we already have in congress. You should study how this is done. Inspectors general, they have somebody do oversight. Bicameral, the house and the senate, remember, this is done in a very fair manner where all four leaders appoint one person and when the speaker, nancy pelosi, and the leader Mitch Mcconnell pick who could be chair, the president selects doesnt select to the chair is because that would give an advantage to republicans. It is an even number, divided between republican and democrat. This is the only one that is set up of these oversights to be weighted. It is house only, weighted towards the democrat side. Lets sue see who they selected. Namedmmittee chair was before the mission was set. Jim clyburn is a smart guy. Is clinically very smart politically very smart. I would credit him with getting joe biden the nomination. He kept the majority whip job which is unheard of, to stay inside leadership, that is politically good knowledge of what to do. He is the political person they have up for their. Very good at their job. But he also said in a conference, the virus first came virus anhe called the opportunity to restructure government. Smart political move on his part, bad policy for the nation, something i disagree with thoroughly. He instituted that into their conference. So he named the chair. Is this a policy or Political Committee . Then, we find they put Maxine Waters we know maxine about impeachment, inciting other people to go after each other if they politically disagree. The freshman, who they took to the rules committee to actually make the argument for democrats to bring impeachment articles to the floor, he actually made a rally two days before the president was sworn in that the president should be impeached. It seems to havent changed anything they had done when they changed the Intel Committee to impeachment. This seems more political. It is not weighted equally. There are no senators, it is driven by people without the Mission Statement first but a political idea first. It is concerning to me that this would not be productive, but you have these other three oversights that are nonpartisan, equal in nature, and report to Congress Every single month. [indiscernible] they will report every 30 days outside of the Inspector General and outside of who the president nominates and confirms by the senate. We are running out of time to talkre we do, i want about the practical nature. Do you think there will be vote by mail in november . Rep. Mccarthy states determine that. In california, we vote by mail and in person. Back towe want to get normalcy in a most everything we do. There are concerns when we read the l. A. Times each state is different but they have a combination of both. There are some states, when they set up the voting booths like nevada, they have people coming weeks ahead of time. , weink people will want voted with a card, voted in person, we just gave them more time. You will have to provide people more time. People are going to the Grocery Stores, giving distance. States would look at this in different manners. Maybe give them more time than just that day and make it easier to vote in the process. That is something to look at. One question to wrap up, what is one thing you will think you will do more and one thing you will do less of when this is over. I think everybody will wash their hands more when this is over. I think you are going to have more values on the idea of what is important to you. Is utilized to buy things but you will value the time with one another more. Youworld is going so fast, can have anything you want us fast as you could have it and aybe you look at the sky little longer, dream a little longer, maybe smell a rose a little longer. From that perspective it will be different. Maccarthy, thanks for joining us. To all of you who joined us on the live stream we appreciate your time. Cspan has altered unfiltered coverage of coronavirus, with updates from governors and congress and our daily call in program, washington journal, hearing your thoughts about the crisis and if you missed any of our live coverage, watch anytime ondemand at cspan. Org coronavirus. [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2020] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] on tuesday, california representative karen bass, chair of the congressional black caucus, discussed the impact of coronavirus on minority community. She was joined by a dr. This is hosted by politico