Ofning are you supporting the governor of georgia . Pres. Trump i am supportive of the view each state needs to make the call itself. Social distancing incidents like nebraska, a lot of the economy is at a place it is easy to social distance but in new york city it is hard. There is a new study that shows the disease path in new york follows subway routes. I think it is a local decision when you can open up because social distancing that will keep you safe is possible. One of the things we have seen in the data is there are a lot of counties in the country where they have essential workers so the percentage is pretty high. People that have continued to go to work. And the disease spread more rapidly in the beginning where the people were going to work. You can see a high correlation with opening up and the spread of the disease. People have figured out now in parts of the country where it is safe to go back to work at a little bit of a time. I will inch along. That will inch along. Whether every state is following the guidelines, something to be monitored closely. If they dont follow the guidelines, they might put citizens at risk. [indiscernible] kevin i dont think anyone has existed timing but my guess is it will have to be within four weeks. That is an economic guess looking at the burn rate of ppp loans. Suspectaid you would the unemployment to be as high as 16 . Kevin if you look at initial claims, you can see millions of people have lost their jobs. You can map these to the unemployment rate. It tends to go higher than what you would get from adding them up. Some people dont apply for insurance. The only trick is this survey weeks around the week of the 12th of the month survey week is around the 12th of the month. We will have a bad on implement report next month but then another bad one the month after unemployment bad report next month but then another one after that. I think all of us are concerned we have got this massive shock to the economy that is unprecedented and it will be a heavy lift to get the economy going. It will be easier if we happen to get control of the virus. Outcomeer we run this of the harder it is to get the thing going. That is why i am pleased to see people have decided a safe way to get economies going. Stopped producing about everything. It is not like any normal recession things go down a few percent. It is like you turned it down to zero for everything. Schools, the schools dont count towards gdp if they are closed. That is Something Like 3 of gdp that goes to zero. Multiply that across every other industry and you are looking at a massive disruption. I am pleased to see the bipartisanship that helps us build a bridge to turning the economy on but having this deal that helps us make sure there are no bottlenecks to go again. The president is optimistic about what will happen when we get going again. Have hopeful it will depend on the next bill. Next bill. On the what we have done is built a bridge to the next sure, but we dont know where it is. Once we get there, there will have to be policy to make sure we get going again. There are some possible equilibria. Nobody goes back to work and the other is everybody goes back to work because everybody is. So the sentiment will pay a playing a big part of it. American people are smart and rational. We have to give people a reason to be optimistic. That is what the next step will have to be. It will be another bipartisan bill that solves a lot of problems. Publicwillingness of the to synchronize businesses and what is your forecast about the going backof people to the kinds of businesses that would have difficulty in [indiscernible] kevin it is one of the things we are working on every day to see what it looks like when we reopen. I work closely with dr. Birx and dr. Fauci to help understand the Health Component but that is not my area. Get going ande we it is safe to open, what problems might they face in terms of getting economy going . The kind of thing we are looking are in places where the disease is flaring up, you have a hard time having them operating at capacity. Even if other parts are raging and doing well, the fact there is a bottleneck at the ports could slow them down. We have a massive effort to think about what do next. One of the factors you mentioned is an important thing to consider. I could remember one of i was a kid, you would walk your friend or Family Member to the gate. You didnt have a ticket and you could walk to the gate. After 9 11, security got more strenuous. We will have a lot of changes in society that are analogous to airports after 9 11. [indiscernible] kevin i cant. Many would have failed is about one million. I think the loans are going out and keeping things going. It will depend on something we cannot control which is the virus. Here is a way to think about it. If you are a Small Business and used to making money but right now you are losing, if you expect to make money in june, your happy to keep losing money in may because you know in june you will make it up. If you dont know when you will open, you might decide to shut down so you dont lose the money. We have to give people like some clarity about what the future holds. That does notw is exist. We dont know the endgame for the virus. That is the motivation is to give people loans and dont have to make the tough choice to shut down because they dont know when we can open again. [indiscernible] kevin given the popularity of the program to the people and hill, ifybody on the we run out of money in the program i would expect it would be easy to get more money into it. If the economy gets going, those loans will be less necessary and we wont need to put money in. It will depend how quickly we can get the economy open. It will not be all it once. Something i just said in my Television Interview that is interesting, the initial claims for Unemployment Insurance are scattered around the country in a pattern uncorrelated with the disease. We have instructed everybody to shelter in place to control the virus. That means the economic harm is sort of uniform throughout the country and higher in some places you might not expect like hawaii has the most claims because people go to vacation there but right now they are not. When places restart given geographic variation, it makes sense. That is why the task force decided to put out the guidelines to help people who feel like they are in a place that will allow them to open have guidance to do that. Merit and some kind of financial support. Kevin the president has said the next bill, the democrats have a high priority of putting state and local assistance in. He is willing to consider that. The next bill will be important. If the democrats believe that is important, there will be a negotiation. I met with Governor Cuomo a few days ago. We ran the numbers for new york state ourselves. We are looking at a decline in revenue of about 15 billion. The states are hurting. The political issue is some , ands have rainy day funds we are helping the states that are maybe less cautious and that is like a political matter. The fact the states will have a massive revenue shortfall is undeniable. That is why the president is open to talking about it. [indiscernible] theont know where negotiations are, but i can lay out the economic issue. Up, they aren going to expose citizens to more risk, if they follow the guidelines, hopefully not a lot. If one of their employees were to get sick, they could say it was an unsafe workplace and there could be lawsuits. Figuring out a way to manage it so those could happen if an irresponsible, the workers should have the right to do something about that. If it is Like Community spread, litigation employers will be more likely to go out of business and then if they have protection. The economics is pretty sound. How it works out is something i think people will have to study hard. States have different laws. As a lawyer i am not sure what the federal policy would be to firmsrotect responsible from lawsuits because some people continue to get sick after the economy opens up. It is a concern that if you thought you would open up and get sick, you would lose so much money would go out of business and be less likely to open. It is a concern for people. Thank you. Good to see you. Sure. Announcer 1 sign up today for cspans newsletter word for word providing updates to Coronavirus Response from state governors, the White House Task force briefings and updates from congress. Signup today. It is easy. Go to cspan. Org connect and enter your email address in the signup box. 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