Host with us next is david brody. Is the chief political analyst for the christian broadcasting network. Thank you for being with us on this Easter Sunday morning. Guest thanks for having me. Host we spend our first hour asking our viewers about public gatherings and whether they should be exempt from the stayathome orders. What is your sense of how religious leaders across the spectrum are handling the challenge of getting a congregation together or keep them apart . Challenge to a degree, but i want to do a disclaimer off the top. That i think well cloaked the hall whole conversation we have. Most christians, most churches either the by federal guidelines or state guidelines. The reality is, for most of the country, for most evangelical me,stians, excuse christians across this country, they are abiding by these rules. We are talking about certain cases, a certain handful of churches. It has been a challenge. More than that, i think, how do you come up creatively with ways to go ahead and hold church, not just online, but whether they be driving services. A have seen situations where communion is being delivered on thursday, you drive through, you pick up the cracker and wine or the grape juice, then you open it on sunday. There is also the ways that people are getting prayed up and churched up. Host it does seem like governors will raise an interesting constitutional question about the ability of the government to say to religious organizations, no, you really shouldnt meet in person or, worst case scenario, you are subject to some sort of penalty. Guest thats exactly right. We have the contours of the argument. It is Public Health versus religious freedom, two very important contours. What do you do exactly . I think what we are seeing is a line of demarcation. Seethe most part, you christians and pastors and evangelical leaders being ok with heating those guidelines. Heeding those guidelines. But when you cross the line . We have seen this popping up in the news, or are ticketing people going in their car. Remember, these are cars in a drivein church service. Cars themselves are six feet apart. Cars are social distancing, and yet these folks are getting ticketed. We know about what is going on in kentucky as well, whether it be license plates being reported by authorities that will then be reported. So, you have church folks that if you go into a Church Parking lot in kentucky, they write down your license plate number and all of a sudden you get a knock at the door saying, you know what . You need to be quarantined for 14 days. That is why we are starting to cross the line and i think that is the big concern among evangelicals. Host we showed some of your interview with the Vice President pants. Pence. Vice president what was his take on these Church Gatherings online or in person . Guest a couple of things. We have released a couple of clips over the weekend. Just is also one, thenews. Com, that one is up as well. Then a full report on the interview on mondays 700 club. Check your local listings, as they say. As for mike pence, he started saying, he has got a lot of gratitude in his heart for the churches that have stepped up. He is happy with that. I asked him, what about these pastors who are going rogue . His concernis is that you can worship jesus anywhere. You dont have to just be at a church in the pews. That says point. He is onto something that is very true, which is, last time i checked, jesus isnt in a church filling. Jesus can be online. You dont quarantine jesus. I think thats what his point was. Overall, he has been very pleased with how churches are responding. Part ofy interesting the conversation has been a bit controversial too, at least some on the far left. As it relates to contributing to churches. Mike pence has made it very that people should donate to their places of worship, whether it be churches, synagogues, or mosques. Because the ministry goes on. Our guest host our guest is david brody. We welcome your calls and comments. 202 7488000 is the line to call for those of you in the eastern and central time zones,. Nd 202 7488002 you mentioned the interview airing on the 700 club monday. Tell us some of the other things you heard from the Vice President as a preview. Guest sure. There were a couple of interesting things. We talked about testing. Point, you know, i pushed him on this idea that there was a slow rollout on the testing. Without admitting it mike pence has a way of saying thanks without coming across as too bad in terms of the slow process, he did talk about that. He talked about how there is redtape and they are changing the system and they have gone to these Rapid Testing systems as well. Key wasves that the instead of it being with the, they went in to a Public Private model. Talked about voting as related to what the democrats are trying to push for. He will talk about that. I cant reveal everything, but anyhow. The president reacted the other day strongly to a wall street journal editorial, i think it was on thursday. The title of the editorial was trumps wasted briefing. Early on in those briefings, the Vice President had led them. The Vice President indicate how he thought those briefings were going . Guest i talked to him about the media and how the media has covered this. I thought he would take a bit of a job, not a donald trump jab, but a mike pence job, and he didnt. He said he thought the media was doing a relatively good job. He also realizes that the Fourth Estate will have questions. Job asve a role and a well. He did not take the bait, if you will, because he has got some more pressing things. Host lets go to callers. We go first to bob in tyler, texas. Caller good morning. Pastors, yearsue ago i was listening to pastor dan cummings, who is now frequently the chaplain on the u. S. House. He started in a cattle barn. Anyway, this morning i am reading his book, it is about 80 pages. It is the people, the preachers, and the politicians. How one womans prayer change the nation. It is free on amazon. Like, and download. Answer that the hebrews used. It is the answer that our founders used and it is the only answer that i think will do anything to help america. Right now, i am in the hospital with a 97yearold mother who inadvertently got put in a covid wing. She tested negative for all of. We are praying for her, and i know jesus is the solution. And man is not. Until we bow down to our one lord and savior, we are toast. Good luck to you and your mom. David brody . Sayt i am glad, i would that he buried the lead, but he is right. Jesus is the solution. What is interesting for my research perspective, more than half of all americans are thanmore than it they ever have before. They are praying for an end to the pandemic. If you go inside those numbers, about 36 of people that call themselves ledges religious nones, they are even praying. 36 of them. Prayer is a good thing, and when folks that dont even believe in jesus or any of that, if they are praying, that is something that is a positive development, for sure. Host we will hear from henry in michigan. Caller good morning. I would like mr. Brodys help in trying to resolve an inner conflict. As a liberal, i am well instructed in the bible and in religious belief. In my upbringing i have always been taught that god will not be mocked. Hasi believe that america elected satan. Satanism the white house. You interviewed one of his demons yesterday. Beelieve that, if i am to reunited with my country. My country has to be reunited and instructed the goodwill of jesus christ and his social ministry. I dont believe we are following map now. I think that this president has mocked god and that is why where we are where we are today. I have no hope of being reunited with my country and with my fellow countrymen if they continue to follow satan. How my supposed to resolve that conflict within myself when i have been raised to eight people . And to hate the people who love people . I believe right now, there are too Many Americans in love with people, sir. Host we will get a response from david brody. Guest its a great question. I dont even know where to begin. You have one view of it, and there are other folks that have a much different view and believe that donald trump is in office for such a time as this, from a biblical perspective. I would just say, what you need to do is some of the actions. You will laugh at that point, the truth of the matter is, if you come at it from a conservative, evangelical, epochal perspective, this president has been the most prolife resident in history. I can go down the list as it relates to many things he has done from a conservative, epochal perspective. That have been very positive. You will of course countered with the fact that, what about the social justice aspect . Look, there is things he has done in that area too. A lot of times, and i think both sides are guilty of this, you have conservative evangelicals talking about, concentrating on certain issues, and you have the liberals on the other hand talking about the social justice aspect of certain things. The last time i checked, jesus was not all about social justice, necessarily, he was about dying for our sins and giving everybody a chance to be with him for eternity. That is what the common bond should be. Host our guest is david brody. We go to broken bow oklahoma now. I was thinking, on the coronavirus the church should be allowed to go to church, congregate. [indiscernible] faith in him. You go to jesus and pray. They not . Host we touched on that a little earlier. We will go to broken bow, oklahoma. You are on the line. Caller happy easter, gentlemen. I think the distinction needs to be made between pastors who are shepherds of the flock and religion, because im hearing a lot of talking heads representing religion. Christianity and i am a christian i believe we see too many puppeteers and not enough pastors. Together,meeting pastors can exercise their their calling, outside of the building. I think the church is smart enough. Thank you for your time, gentlemen. Host david brody . Guest we have to remember, back to the disclaimer at the beginning, most churches are following these guidelines. For the most part, it has not been an issue. Say, no oneike we places like tampa, florida pastor there has basically gone against authorities. He has now gone online, actually. Other places like ohio and down in louisiana, tony at Life Tabernacle hold Easter Sunday service today. About 2000 people attending. It is happening, but it is in pockets. Also, i would just say this. The ones that are having church once again, i am not defending People Holding the services. Im explaining to you what they are doing. They still are doing those social distancing guidelines. Some churches removed the makeshift pews. They keep families six feet apart. I am not saying that is the way to go. I am saying there are certain precautions they are taking, and that as part of their defense. Host your interview with the Vice President , he tweeted some photos. I want to show one of those. You say, i was tested today for covid19 because i was doing a oneonone interview with the Vice President. The test was negative. You had to take that test in order to get the interview . Guest im glad you brought that up. I was tested, it was negative. Here is what happened. We thought we were going to get temperature checks going into the white house, and we did. Then we were in the room. In the Old Executive Office building. The interviewg, was going to start late morning. About an hour before that i was told, nicely, we are going to need to give you one of those rapid covid19 test. Myself and the woman who is going to apply makeup to the Vice President. That is exactly what happened. Went down there about an hour before the interview. It took about 10 seconds. I can tell you these rapid tests are really nothing at all, if i can be graphic, it is five seconds up one nostril, and five seconds up the other. They said they would only contact me if it came back positive, and an hour later there was nobody contacting me and the Vice President walked into the room. That hour were you on pins and needles . Guest i dont know about pins and needles, but i was concerned, as you know, in journalism we always have a plan b and we were already into plan b territory with the producer i was with, who is getting ready to ask those questions i had ready for the Vice President , just in case. Host here is lawrence, we go to elk grove, illinois. Caller good morning, gentlemen. Hopefullymment, solace to practicing christians. Understand the significance of the resurrection, but what luck what led up to it is also important. Christ dying and the reason he was crucified, was because he came to earth and told congregation, i am the sacrificial lamb, you dont need to go through the religious leaders. Prior to christ, everybody had to go to their legislator to do the sacrifice for them. Talkt said, no, you can directly to god through me. He ripped open the veil of the tabernacle. So people at home can minister to themselves. They dont need to go to a pastor to tell them tell their sins. They can receive the body of christ, the communion, directly. See in christs name. People forget that, which is one of the reasons that christ was crucified. Any of the religious leaders were threatened. There were losing control and power. Christ did that all through his life. That is why he took a bullwhip to the people in the temple. He was pointing out a lot of fake news of the day. Host all right, we will let you go. Any thoughts on that . Guest no, he is absolutely right. There is the sermon of the morning. I think beyond that, what is important to understand is what he said is true, which is what we said earlier. He dont have to necessarily be in a church to worship god. Is there a Community Aspect to it . Yes. That is a lot of what people are missing, the Community Aspect to all of this. But his main point is correct, bill. This is something a lot of people dont quite get, which is, christianity is called a religion, that a relationship with god is not a religion. A relationship with jesus is a personal relationship. There is a difference between religion and church and a personal relationship with jesus. A lot of people get hung up on the religious aspect of it but this is not what it is about. Host his comments reminded me, we need to get some politics into the conversation. We read this story about joe biden. Joe biden winning the alaska primary. The lay of the land in terms of the president ial race, the Convention Already moved for democrats into august. How do you see things focusing particularly on the democratic site how do you see things moving forward . Guest i think joe biden has a big challenge on his hands, and it doesnt have anything to do with donald trump. It has to do with democratic politics. He has got to get the bernie folks to the polls. You know that it is all about energy, all about momentum. Right now hasarty to figure out, look, they have a lot of people angry at trump, but if you are sitting at home that is one thing, you have to be angry and get to the polls. The bernie folks, the millennials, not to jazz. I do see get them to the polls . Embrace whato bernie was talking about and move platform to the left. That is the problem. You want to play in a general election . Have to play to the middle. See does he go to the middle and try to win those folks . He needs both. If you are here and you dont know which way to go or you are trying to thread the needle, that is difficult. And it will be pointed out by the Trump Campaign as we move towards november. Host what about the problem for the former Vice President in that he does not have a podium . The president is out there every day and perhaps some people think these substitute for his rallies, but he is there every day. By the nature of the pandemic, shutdowns, Vice President does not have that platform. Guest no he doesnt. It is a real problem, and even when he tried to go virtual, he tried to read off the prompter you may remember, he did a prompter speech from his library or whatever it was remember, this was on prompter and he still messed up. He talked about calling at the national guard, and then about 20 seconds later he said, should call at the national guard. In other words, he was all over the place. Foras a gaffe problem, sure. I will say this for the president though. He has his work cut out for him too. If we are going to go into august, in if not this situation, somewhat of a modified quarantine situation, what does he do with his rallies . He has a pulpit, so to speak. He has a pulpit on those daily briefings, but his biggest hope biggest pulpit of all are those rallies and that weapon has been taken away from him. Go to trinidad, california. This is robert. Caller good morning. I just wanted to say that i am a christian. I am a devout christian. I sold my home, i took i turned my life away for my family and i went on the road for jesus. To search out his faith. I want to say this. If we dont get on our knees and return to our first love, then we are missing the mark. He just wants us to return to him. If you are struggling with him this morning, all you have to do is find the man hanging on the cross. All you have to do is picture that man hanging on the cross. Finding the love for him, he hung there for you, personally you, this morning. What i want to say to everybody, you need to return to your love. Get on your knees, cry out to god this morning. Right, robert. Everybody, you wrote a book on the faith of donald trump. The president tweeted yesterday that he would be watching the Robert Jeffers service online. Are we hearing from the president in these recent days, some thoughts on religion . Some of his religious beliefs in terms of how he is addressing the coronavirus . Is not that init a traditional way. Nothing about donald trump is traditional. That is what the book explains. He is not going to say it the way forget a pastor, but even your normal evangelical that is having Cracker Barrel after the service. That is not him. He is going to say then his way, but the truth of the matter is that he has ushered in a whole bunch of evangelical christianity type policies that have been helpful. And he is seeking out prayer in the white house. It is a story that does not get told much. Part of the reason why this happens let me explain donald trump is the law order guy, and that is what he wants to project. Behind the scenes it is much different. He has much more compassionate behind the scenes. He is seeking out prayer and inviting in people who want to pray with them and pray for our country. A lot of that doesnt get told as much, but it is happening. Domally, politicians want to the exact opposite. They want to kiss the baby in public, they want to show the soft side. This, in to say response to the last caller, he is absolutely right. We do need to get down on our knees, and from a Google Analytics standpoint, this past march the search term prayer was searched more often this march and it has been in the last five years. Clearly people are i will put this in air quotes quote turning to prayer. Here is isabel in missouri. Caller good morning. I was wondering when you are with mike pence, if you got the sense that they were going to fix the issue of ticketing the people at the drive up service . We have a service, my father is a husband is a pastor. We have a drivein service. We downsized our worship team for our people. We do zoom for our sunday school classes. Host is that a threat there . Has your governor threatened to ticket people . Caller no, he has not. We do everything in compliance of what we are supposed to do. Upon hearing the news of other states, i feel like that is an infringe on the religious side of that. They should not be doing that. I feel that that is a president ial thing. They should go, that is on freedom of religion. They are not being next to someone, and i dont think that it is no different than going to mcdonalds, or whatever, as far as Car Accidents or anything else. Host what time are your services this morning, isabel . Caller 2 45. Guest i think isabel is onto something important. In terms of my interview, we were talking specifically about pastors that were Holding Church inside in the pews. We didnt get into drive and services. We know that the department of justice is going to be coming believe,week with, we some guidelines. We are going to leave this program and take you live to new york for a briefing with governor andrew cuomo. You are watching live coverage here on cspan. Gov. Cuomo happy easter for all those celebrating. Happy holy week. To my right we
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