Transcripts For CSPAN Washington Journal 01192020 20240713

Convention, and Democratic Candidates in iowa. That will get underway at four 00 eastern time on cspan. We wanted to spend the first talkingfirst hour about issues that are important to women. Thousands lined the streets on a cold and rainy saturday to strike back against President Trump. The first womens march took lace one day after his inauguration in 2017. We want to hear from you. Our phone lines are open at 202 7488000 for those in the eastern and central time zones. For mountain and pacific, 202 7488001, and you can also send us a text at 202 7488003. You can also find us on twitter at cspanwj, and facebook at facebook. Com cspan. A march took place yesterday on a cold and rainy saturday. Election year brings a feeling of hope at the womens march. The cofounderis of all in together, speaking about some of the issues important to women and what she expects as some of this Campaign Season unfolds. Here is part of the conversation. Guest there is no question and reams of evidence that women candidates face an array of complicated issues that men dont face. First of all, there is a funding issue. Women candidates do struggle to raise the same level of money that men do, in part because they think men assume that mostly women donors are going to support them, men are not as interested in supporting women candidates, so they face a funding gap. It is interesting, because Elizabeth Warren, you can look up, the gender breakdown of the contributions to each of the candidates. The most male donors is andrew yang. Bothne that has both, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have much more diverse donor bases. But the ongoing questions women face, the double jeopardy they face around their personality and their looks, around the way they speak goes on and on and on. It is very well documented. That said, i do think we are at a turning point. What we saw in the 2018 midterm elections was a Record Number of women who ran and won. When it comes to women in the race, women are as likely as men until when they run, but now we have had a deficit in terms of the number of women candidates versus the number of men. We saw that in the 2018 election with lots of women stepped forward to run, they won at the same rate as men. It drove a large surge of democratic women. Unfortunately on the republican side, republican women are struggling right now. There are only 13 women left in the house of representatives, nine women in the senate, four of whom have been appointed. They were not elected to their office, they were appointed. There are serious challenges on the other side for republican women running. The lauren leader, cofounder of all in together. Thousands marching in in part to d. C. Protest President Trump, but also to talk about the issues important to them. We want to hear from women only, asking what is your top issue. For eastern and central time zones. 202 7488001 if you live in the mountain or pacific time zones. The issue came up as well based on a cnn story that back in a 2018 dinner meeting between senator Elizabeth Warren and senator Bernie Sanders, senator sanders that a woman could not win in 2020. That came out in the debate that took place last week in des moines, iowa. Heres part of that exchange. [video clip] fact, i didntof say it, and i do not want to waste a whole lot of time, because this is what donald trump, may what some of the media want. Anyone who knows me knows that it is incomprehensible that i would think that a woman could not be president of the United States. Go to youtube today. There is some video of me 30 years ago talking about how a woman could become president of states. Ed deferred to senator warren. There was a movement to drop senator warren to run for president. You know what . I said stay back. Senator warren decided not to run and i ran afterwards. Hillary clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes. How could anybody in a million years not believe that a woman could become president of the United States . Let me be very clear if any of the women on this stage or any of the men on this stage win the nomination, i hope that is not the case, i hope it is me, but if they do, i will do everything in my power to make sure they are elected in order to defeat the most dangerous president in the history of our country. [applause] to beator sanders, i want clear here. You say you never told senator warren that a woman could not win the election. Thats correct. Senator warren, what did you think when you heard senator that a womanyou cannot win the election . I disagreed. Bernie is my friend and i am not here to fight with bernie. But this question about whether or not a woman can be president has been raised and its time for us to attack it had on head on. I think the best way to tell by who can win is by looking at a record. S winning look at the men on this stage collectively they have lost 10 elections. The only people on this stage who have won every single election and have been in are the women, amy and me. [cheers and applause] and the only person on this stage who has beaten an incumbent republican any time in the past 30 years is me. And heres what i know. The real danger that we face as democrats is picking a candidate that cannot pull our Party Together or somebody who takes for granted big parts of the democratic constituency. We need a candidate who will excite all parts of the Democratic Party, bring everyone in, and give everyone a democrat to believe in. That is my plan and that is why im going to win. For ther women only first hour, what was the top issue in 2020 . In thes the exchange debate that took place last tuesday. This message on our twitter page from of you are saying the women smarts is a joke and does not represent most usa women. Upsets with row, even row v wade has limits on abortion. The third annual march by women in d. C. Following the election of donald trump. Lee is joining us from alexandria, virginia. Good morning. Caller good morning. A wonderful topic, and i believe women have a unique perspective on the value of life from natural birth to death. Unfortunately, a lot of women, because of life circumstances and compromises, are forced to are unnecessary, and i would just like to see more options. Host will you be voting this election year, lee . Caller i will. Host lets go to new york. Faye, you are next. Good morning, cspan. I first want to say i am prochoice, i am a democrat, and i definitely believe a woman can be president. I would like the media not to push this issue between bernie and warren. It is unfortunate, but the reason i am calling is because i have trying to get through for a long time. About them very upset women that have been left behind with this whole Jeffrey Epstein issue. , who is Alan Dershowitz accused by one of the victims of having sex with him, he is now representing the president. I really believe that Jeffrey Epstein was murdered and i think that i have tried they have whole to silence that issue. Not only would implicate donald trump, but it would implicate a lot of other people. This is something i pray that the media does not let go we are talking about women who have been abused. The womanxine that was Jeffrey Epsteins girlfriend, why has she not been arrested . It has been totally let go. The last thing, sir, is native american women, the disappearance and the murder of so many native american women, we need to bring the issue of native American Peoples more to the forefront, ok . They are the first peoples of this country. I would really appreciate if you have more representation of native americans, and i pray ultair gets freed. He has been in prison for so long. Host referring to maxine gesell, i believe. Caller from texas. What is your number one issue in this next election . Number one issue is the security of our country and immigration, but i wanted to talk about the women who were marching. You know, those women dont know what it is to be, you know, live where you are not allowed to do anything that men control. L i was overseas for a while and i lived in a country where they wents through your packages, nobody ever sent packages because you never got them, and you had to be very careful. Women, i made the mistake years and years ago of having an abortion and if you are a person with any kind of conscience or morals, this will hot to this will haunt you. You think it is just these women seem to think, i dont want to have it i know there are circumstances where women are abused, but i do not think that is the majority of the cases where the abortions are taking place. Thanks for your call. Those pictures from the march yesterday, courtesy of one of our producers, chloe maxwell, who was there getting pictures that we can show you this morning. This is a tweet from a viewer saying a top issue is installing a competent president who will work for americans first, not just a small minority. The chief operating officer of the womens march joined us yesterday to talk about what to expect yesterday as women came to washington, d. C. And similar marches in other cities across the country. Here is what she told our viewers. [video clip] gender politics was a big story this week in the dispute between Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, whether Bernie Sanders set a woman can become president. What was your reaction . My reaction is that women are going to choose the next president. I think we need to keep that in mind. I think we cant ignore the dynamics that women face when in leadership roles, in any role, leadership role, whether that is running for the president or managing a store or organization. As long as there is a disparity in pay equity and all those types of things, there is no way we can ignore that issue. Host you can watch the full interview on our website at cspan. Org. For women only, your number one issue in this election. If you would been the eastern half of the country, 202 7488000. For those of the mountain and pacific time zones, 202 7488001. Marsha is joining us from morris plains, new jersey. Good sunday morning. Caller good morning. I feel the only way to defeat President Trump is for men and women to Work Together. We have so many Critical Issues in this country now. My number one issue is for affordable college. Too many children, when they graduate high school, have to take loans, which is not a good thing. Economy, ande, the we have to Work Together as men and women. Not only women. Im in favor of this womens march, but men and women have to Work Together, and thank you for listening to me. Host thank you for the call. Lets go to carol, joining us in tulsa, oklahoma. Thank you for waiting. Caller thank you very much for having me. I lived in southeast florida, many, many for so years and now i am living near my family here in tulsa. My first choice is just to have , and i honest government wish that we all could get together more closely. I recall having seen where she hadh warren, nothing but lies for 45 minutes. There was a program that had no conversation, no comment, and just showed that she said one time and what she said another time. I could never vote for her. Being a woman doesnt matter to me. I would vote for whoever i felt was the best candidate, regardless. , really liked Tulsi Gabbard but i think she is out. That would be the woman that i would vote for. I have watched cspan since it was, since it first started, and i love it. Host carol, thanks for the call. We hope you keep watching. This is a story from inside the New York Times as thousands march in washington, d. C. For the annual womens march. Cynthia with photos on her twitter page, saying this is what democracy looks like. Up next is barbara in glenallen, virginia. Good morning. Good morning. Im calling in regards to the women saying, i do not think women should not preach and women should not be a president. It is nowhere in the bible that says that she should reach, that she should teach, and i do not think she would make a good president. Host barbara, thank you. Candace, you are next from the bronx in new york. Your number one issue in this election is what . Caller good morning. My number one issue in this country is the economy. Thinkd good jobs, and i there are so many ways to get to that. Theres Climate Change, theres infrastructure, education, we have fallen behind in terms of education. We keep saying that we are the number one country and i think that we need to follow in that vein. For the call. An editorial this morning in the Washington Post, we made amos take. A story that we made a mistake. A story that got a lot of attention in the last 24 hours. Alternative facts and other assaults on the very idea of truth you would expect the National Archives to be at the forefront of those pushing back. The National Archives and Records Administration is the nations recordkeeper and how reassuring to read the archives right, the post reported friday that the archives made numerous alterations to a photograph in included in the new exhibit dedicated to the 100th anniversary of womens suffrage. The photo shows the massively attended women womens the signs they carried were edited to remove reference to mr. Trump. Our next caller, good morning. Caller the loss of our president. I think President Trump is the best president we have had. For the last 50 years have not had such a good economy. I saw christmas, how people were so happy, and i think everything is covered that he promised us he would do. Communism is a terrible thing. , aemember snooki carmichael black communist, going around to ,ommunist cuba, going to russia trying to think of things would be better under communism, and they treated him terribly. When he came home he mentioned it. Black peopleat should not get involved with anything they are being told to they cannot move in the world as they have been under President Trump. Definitely love him, and they are trying to take , and itsway important for women because they are able to work, they are able to find all kinds of help out there today, and we have not had this kind of leadership. A man who has gone to Business School and was the top of his class, a man that went to a military school, academy, and he was the top of his class. And ieverything we need, didnt know he would actually do what he promised to do. Benefiting, their children are benefiting, and health care he is perfect for us. Host emily, thank you for the call, from california. Sue has a different opinion in ithaca, new york. My main issue is to beat donald trump in november. He is a danger to our democracy. Im a moderate democrat who is undecided for the primary. I like Amy Klobuchar but if the front runners joe biden i will happily vote for him as well. My second choice is bernie because of his integrity one of my most desired characteristics in a president. The issue of canada woman be a president , of can a woman be a president , which took center issue at the debate our banks to cnn for giving us permission to air this and senator Amy Klobuchar with this. [video clip] i hear that. People have said it, that is why i have addressed it from the state. You do not have to be the tallest person in the room James Madison was 54. Do not have to be the skinniest person, you do not have to be the loudest person you have to be competent. Michigan has a woman governor right now. Third, i would add to this, you have to be competent to win and you have to know what youre doing. When you look at what i have done, i have won every race every place every time. I have won in the reddest of districts, in the suburban areas, the world areas. I have brought people with me. That is why i have the most endorsements of current iowa legislators and warmer iowa islators in this race former iowa legislators in this race, because i bring that with me. Finally, every civil person i have beaten, my republican opponents, have gotten out of politics for good. I think that sounds pretty good. I think that sounds pretty good with the guy we have in the white house right now. Cnn desats from the Moines Register debate last tuesday. More comments on our twitter page. There is this health care, womens reproductive rights, and social and criminal justice are my top issues for campaign 2020. Ann saying, i would like to see women, wey for all need a progressive democrat. Choice toincludes the treat people with kindness. Connie joining us from florida. Good morning. Youre number one issue, connie, what is it . Caller i actually have two issues that are at the top of my list. Are Affordable Housing and alleviating student debt. Let me just say a little bit about that. Middleclass income, probably a little more than middleclass, actually, and i find that paying more than what the government says we should pay, which is 25 of 30 isour income in housing ridiculous. I know family members who also have decent incomes who really struggle with finding something that is decent to live in, not dilapidated in a crimeridden neighborhood that is affordable. The student debt issue is one reason why i would never support joe biden. He made a vote back in the 1990s that was in the pocket, that showed he was in the pocket , to notanking industry allow people to discharge student debt at a certain point, showing they could not pay it back. That is why i will support either bernie or Elizabeth Warren. One other thing i would like to say, it is just a comment on cspan i dont understand why cspan breaks phone lines up, east coast and the two western time zones, because everyone who knows any demographics informationa majority of the country lives in the eastern time zone, demographic information knows that a majority of the country lives in thenastern time zone, central, then mountain and pacific. I wonder who would make the policies at cspan, i know it is not you personally, but would consider doing things like this morning, like women only calls. Tired and turned cspan off when i hear nothing but men who say, i am in my 70s, i am retired, im tired of hearing their opinions. I want to hear more women and more people under the age of 50, 55, and i just put that out there. Thank you. Host which is why we are doing this today and why i would why i appreciate your participation, connie. I do think we hear a crosssection of people. California is a pretty populated part of the country as well, so let me get back to this text message from becky in wichita, kansas. My number one issue is protecting our country and our tilling c from democratic policies. Rudy giuliani, who is front and center in the democratic investigation, did he change or did america . Washington monthly how did how to end the democrats Demolition Derby is the cover story. Cq weekly, rough roads to innovation the Auto Industries must reinvent itself amid policy chaos in washington. This pastagazine out thursday the family business. The unusual power of jared kushner. Brenda is next, good morning, montgomery, alabama. What is on your mind . Caller hello . Liese lives too much too much. I want someone who tells the truth. We are not rich people. He just puts us down. The way he talks on tv i would not compare any of my he has, because he talks filthy, and it is awful. He is supposed to represent the United States. He is supposed to make the children feel better him up there cussing and putting people down on tv, that is terrible. Host vivian in virginia saying defeating trump. He has not done what he said he was going to do, he did not get you big Beautiful Health care, did not bring back the coal miner manufacturing and mexico will not build the wall. Vicki joining us from minnesota. Good morning. Caller good morning. My number one issue is the Reproductive Health of women. Of the conversation being conducted by a small group of religious fanatics and the Republican Party that caters to them. They need to call back under the rock they crawled out from under. It is time. Vote. Host lauren leader, the president and cofounder of the organization all in together joined us on washington journal to talk about womens issues and women running for office, and she responded to the exchange that took place last tuesday between senators warren and sanders. Lets watch. [video clip] men and women, republicans, democrats, independents, etc. Say they would vote for a woman. Their concern, they think their neighbors will not. They think women do face a ofger hurdle in terms mobilizing the electorate. We saw very similar trends when barack obama was running. This question of, well my neighbors vote the way i will . Votingmfortable for a black president , i am just not sure that my neighbors are. I think warren is likely to do very well in iowa. Whether or not people vote for her, gender is inextricable for anyone in candidate. It is always a factor. But in this case, she is not the only one. There are two women in the field , and i think klobuchar will do very well in iowa, her numbers are rising there as well as in New Hampshire, so there is not a binary choice, which is possible for voters to look at this in a more nuanced way than they were in 2016. I think fundamentally, americans are ready to vote for a woman. They did it in 2016. The question, isnt the right woman . Is that the woman they want . Is that the woman they believe can win . That is where it gets complicated. Host women only for the first hour, we want to get your view on what is the big issue in 2020 . What will motivate you to go to the polls . Mary joining us from massachusetts. Good morning. Caller hi. Elected Elizabeth Warren to be our first woman senator, and in 2018 we reelected her against the trump organizer in massachusetts. So we had this discussion in 2012 and we decided that as a progressive and liberal state that it was about time that we elected a woman. So i have every confidence that we can elect a woman this year. Thank you. Thank you for the call. Host host thank you for the call. The Washington Post has an new book coming out this week, written by a team of reporters. The headline inside trumps tirade against military brass. The book is titled a very stable genius donald j. Trumps testing of america. Ais piece has details into july 2017 meeting that took place in an area of the pentagon known as the tank and outlines some of the details and reactions of President Trump. You can read the full story online at washingtonpost. Com. The president responding to this book on twitter, he says another fake book by two thirdrate Washington Post reporters, has already been proven to be inaccurately reported, to their great embarrassment, all for the purpose of the meeting and belittling a president who is getting great things done for the country. Shelby in bluff city, tennessee. Good morning to you. Caller hello . Host good morning. What is your number one issue for this year . Caller yes, my issue is mainly to get trump out. I did have high hopes initially for him. Should bes legacy that he exposed corruption in both parties for years, for our mstory with him and that ix because if you cannot respect somebody, he does not respect others, how can you trust them . Plus, as far as roe versus wade, i hope that is not ever reversed. That would take us backwards, ever hold a dont man accountable. If they are going to do that, why dont they look at the man that, you know, impregnated the woman . Their rights should be looked at. You know, lets not go backwards. Lets go forward. Plus america is great. It has always been great. I take offense to trump lets makeying America Great again. Thanks for the call. Lets go to laurie in pennsylvania. What is your number one issue in this Campaign Year . Caller to make sure the people in america know how important it is that they get involved in our political system, in our government. We were frustrated, we were told our votes dont count for decades, so people have not been engaged. We need to be engaged. We need to take the power back. I want a future for my kids where their rights are not taken to, theyy are not lied have a place to use their education, to teach others. I want them to learn how to reform immigration. I think we have a huge chance with the immigrants through education and technology to get them active in our society, creating a Larger Consumer boomd our economy could and instead, they just never fix that problem. Host thanks for the call. Another viewer, rachel in napa, california. Clock. E is the debt it always spins faster when a republican is in the white house. Now 23. 1al debt trillion. The average debt per citizen, just over 70,000 per taxpayer, is approaching 190,000 per taxpayer. Our color from texas, what is your number one issue . Caller i have heard so many important issues this morning. I think you have some wonderful women calling in this morning. Important, but what underlies all of them is that we for me, the number one, we need a Sustainable World for human beings to live in. Otherwise, all these other issues are not important because they cannot be accomplished. So saying that, we need to get this climate denier out of the white house, because all of the policies, the things he has done, rolling back measures of the epa, clean water act, all of are notfferent measures taking the United States forward, it is taking it backward into an earlier era where we were less safe in every way. I do want to say to the wonderful woman that called in from florida and wanted younger people to speak, i am afraid i not92 last friday, so i am one of you younger people, but i appreciate you calling in. I am so gratified that there are so many young people. Constantly em they are so actively involved in wanting to be involved in politics today. So i would like to answer the Climate Changes might number one issue because it undergirds Everything Else that we want to do in this country. Margaret in texas, happy birthday and stay young at 92. Another viewer saying the same thing climate justice. Without a planet and life itself, none of the other issues matter. With former secretary of state john kerry this past week, and he is our the on our podcast weekly, available on the free cspan radio app. Each week we take an indepth issue and focus on that issue. John kerry is our guest this week. By the way, on q a tonight, we look ahead to the New Hampshire primary. Joe mcquade, now editor at large bird the union leader, that paper that has played such. Pivotal role linda is next from minerva, ohio. Good morning. Morning, steve. My main thing for 2020 is that people quit hating so bad. These women call in, they talk , and how hateful trump is my wish for 20 is that people would quit hating. I dont think its going to make a difference if the democrats get back in in 2020, steve. If they have problems, they are going to keep laming pump blaming trump for everything that happens. I dont like the way he acts, i have to admit that i am not very proud of what he says, i have no control over what he says but i like what he has done. I am 70 years old 74 years a factory, worked in i have my 401 k i live off of, for extra stuff to live and help my son. I wish people in 2020 would quit hating and give this president a chance, and if they get the democrats back in, steve, i am kind of scared. I used to be a democrat, i love them. I do not know what happened to them. They do not seem like the same party i used to know. Maybe i am looking at it wrong. I am very scared for our country, the 2020 election and what is going to happen, and i wish that people could take their head out of the sand and do both sides of the news. So good at thet news. This is the only program where you can comment what is in your heart. Thank you for taking my call. Host where is minerva, ohio . Aller it is about two and half hours from cleveland, ohio, close to canton, ohio. We are a small little town and we have been growing. I do not like a lot of things, the way he talks, and i think that is what upsets people. The women do not know how to take it. I watched that womens march so upset. And i was you see little kids Walking Around i think it is wonderful women are speaking up, but you got to look at it a little bit different, not so much hate. It is sad sometimes, steve. I do love your program and i think you people do a wonderful job. Keep it up, because we have nowhere else to put our hearts and feelings. Host linda, thank you from the call for the call. And you can dee, send us a tweet with your first name, just tell us where you are texting from. Kathy in New Hampshire, we are going to be up there a lot in the next couple weeks. Caller thank you for the question. I have been able to answer polls regularly and i am very involved in campaigns overall. Issue for me personally is health care, but my overall issue is defeating President Trump, and specifically the Supreme Court, being able to influence and retake the Supreme Court. It is sometimes frustrating to me that we under discuss the importance of retaking the senate, because nothing will happen with anybodys ideas unless we have democratic senate. There is a lot of interest in the election here. My candidate is Pete Buttigieg he i feel very strongly that is the most electable, but i hate to say that, because i do not vote waste on who i think is trying to gain the system as to who is the best electable. I have seen the many events i have gone to with him that he has a real crossover appeal for undeclared, no Party Affiliation people with veterans and people who used to lean republican. I really like his womens platform and policies on Climate Change overall. Host another message from dead inwisconsin deb wisconsin. My issues continue to be health care, and education. The front page of the new york s yesterday, trumps dismissed charges as a trumps lawyers dismissed charges at a brazen plot. The articles of impeachment submitted by House Democrats are a dangerous attack on the right of the American People to really choose their president. This is a brazen and unlawful and the highly partisan and reckless of session with impeaching the president began the day he was inaugurated and continues to this day. The articles of impeachment are constitutionally invalid on their face. They failed to establish any breaking of the law whatsoever, let alone high crimes and misdemeanors as required by the constitution. The first article fails on its face to state an impeachable offense. All, lets no crimes at alone high crimes and misdemeanors. The second article also fails on its face to state an impeachable offense. It does not allege any crime or violation of law whatsoever. We will have live coverage of the impeachment trial on cspan two, scheduled to get underway at 1 00 p. M. Eastern time and continue through the week. Rita in jacksonville, alabama, what is the number one issue in this election . Is, if aell, my belief woman qualifies to be president , god dont have no respective person, and he says, if you lawst obey the and of the land, how can you obey my laws, which are the 10 commandments . People take their wrath in their own eyes. Donald trump should be impeached and throat out of the country of out of the throwed United States. Thank you. Host thank you. This is another view from joan in geneva, new york. My issue is to get rid of these democrats. Ive watched them ruin new york, now they are going south to the carolinas and florida to ruin those states as well. Landon joining us from roswell, new mexico. Good morning. Caller hello. How are you today . Host we are good, how are you . Caller we are good, thanks for letting us call in and talk. God bless you all, and god bless donald trump. He is our acting president , and we all as american citizens should respect that fact. At what i hear a lot, we hear lot of hit on the democratic social side, and it seems to be coming mostly from women. I would like to know where the men stand in this. I would like to know where the real man stand in this. I am sick of hearing people like nazi pelosi say donald trump stole the seat. I voted for him and i know 68,000 other people who voted for him, and i know what to look for across the United States. I know a lot of people that did not vote for him are this time. Democrats arehe very shortsighted. I think they have no sight. I think they keep trying to say he stole this from hillary. Lets get real about that. Hillary would have won it may be if obama had not stepped in and taken it from her. Once he did that, she never stood a chance after that. She never was going to get in after that. So people need to quit trying to me someone from stealing someone for stealing something from her. What they are trying to do is steal it from us, saying that our votes do not count and that he is not the president , and he is. He is doing great and wonderful things for this nation under god. Everybody should respect that. The call fromor new mexico. One of the women running for reelection, for a fifth term, is Susan Collins, a key vote in the upcoming impeachment trial. Susan collins walking a tightrope on trumps trial. It is in todays New York Times and Available Online at and why at nytimes. Com. Carol has this text karen has this text message for those in the middle class voting for leftwing socialists who promised everything free, are you willing to pay 70 to 90 of your income to support these policies . Next is our caller from washington state. Good morning. Caller good morning. One thing im hearing that is not hearing that is really important is our infrastructure. It seems like if something breaks, we fix it. I know that in washington state, especially with the seawater and the soil that things are built with, they sink. Theeems like we are behind times and im not sure when the federal government will step in and help the states with their infrastructure, but we have real problems and it seems like we are behind the eight ball on that. As far as the dysfunction in washington, it has always been there. It will always be there. I think most of our issues are on the state level, and we have to be more involved in our states to make sure we have the good water, the clean air, not the trash by the sea and everything like that. So thank you, cspan. I appreciate you very much. Have a great day. Host thank you for the call. The choice this is what it looks like from todays New York Times interviews with the democratic president ial candidates in advance of the expected endorsements and the transcript of the interviews also posted online. , amy the interviews klobuchar, Bernie Sanders, Amy Klobuchar, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, joe biden, Pete Buttigieg. Our caller from detroit. Good morning and welcome to the conversation. Caller i have a statement and the question. Host sure. Caller donald trump did not win the people, ok . Everybody needs to know that, because hillary won by 3 million votes. Needs to beal crap gotten rid of. If a woman runs a household do you understand what i am saying she can run a household but she cannot be president . That is what i am saying. Host more from last tuesdays debate on the issue of the electability of women to the white house, it also includes former Vice President joe biden. Lets watch. [video clip] the major issue of the day does anybody in their right mind think that a woman cannot be elected president . Nobody believes that. Hillary clinton got 3 million more votes than trump. So who believe the woman cant win . Of course a woman can win. The real question, how do we beat trump . The only way we beat trump is by a campaign of energy and excitement and a campaign that has by far the largest voter turnout in the history of this country. Campaignieve that our has the strongest grassroots endorsedand has been by many. Senator warren, i want to give you the final word. I think it is the right question, how do we beat donald trump . The is the thing, since election, women candidates have outperformed men candidates in competitive races. In 2018, we took back the house. Becauseback statehouses of women candidates and women voters. Look, dont deny that the question is there. Back in the 1960s, people asked, could a catholic win . 2008, people asked if an africanamerican could win. Both times, the Democratic Party stepped up and said yes, that behind their candidate, and we changed america. Thats who we are. [applause] Vice President biden . Go ahead. I agree women can win, and i went into a campaign for 27 of time, 2018. Last canthe real issue, who bring the Party Together and represents all elements all of all elements of the party . Ofould argue that in terms endorsements around the country, endorsements wherever we go, i am the one that has the broadest coalition of Anyone Running a p her running up here in this race. Host the final debate before the caucuses get underway on monday, february 3. You can watch the caucuses here on cspan and cspan2, if you have ever been curious about how a caucus works, we are the one network who will show it to you in its entirety. Tune into our campaign 2020 coverage, and our campaign 2020 bus is on the road. You might see on the highway say hello. J says equal consideration for all economic groups upper income groups paying taxes similar to those with moderate incomes, raise worker pay, and taipei to cdo while more pay for workers. Include more tax reductions for retirees. Thats from jane in paris, illinois. Sue, you are next. How are you . Caller im doing good. The number one issue that has bothered me and it has been bothering me for many, many years is the rampant pedophilia in this country, and no one wants to talk about it. It really disgusts me. And histh donald trump administration, they are really going after them, and i appreciate that from the bottom of my heart. That is my Biggest Issue for this year. You for the call. We will go to omaha, nebraska. Terri, good morning. Caller good morning. I disagree with the woman that called in. The republican voted for donald trump. We did not vote for donald trump. I agree that a woman can be president. I am 71. I will be 72 at the end of this , well, the end of next and i am so disappointed in the republicans, because the republicans it seems like on thest help the people republican side. They dont help anybody else. Host why do you say that . Caller it just seems like that to me, you know . The republicans go in for donald that iit is just dont understand what they are doing, and you know, like they say, what goes up must come down. That is what donald trump is doing and that is what all the republicans are going to do. Thank you. Call. Thank you for the we want to go back to the front page of the New York Times, in which it talks about the president , his defense team claiming the impeachment charges against him are brazen. Here is what the New York Times is reporting this morning. President trumps Legal Defense team strenuously denied on saturday that he had committed eachable acts, the denouncing the charges against him as a brazen and unlawful attempts to cost him reelection as House Democrats laid out in detail their case that he should be removed from office. In the first legal filings for the Senate Impeachment trial that opens in earnest on tuesday, the dueling arguments from the white house and the house impeachment managers previewed a pretty previewed a politically charged fight over the backdrop of the president ial election campaign. They presented the legal strategies outsides are likely to employ during the third president ial impeachment trial in American History. Illustratedvidly how the proceeding is almost certain to rekindle feuding over the 2016 election that has barely subsided during mr. Trumps tenure and reverberate whether he is convicted or an even morein brutal electorate fight in november. That fro in november. That from the New York Times this morning. Reporting how democrats are responding to this , reporting the following House Democrats unveiled an extensive outline of their legal case heading into the Senate Impeachment trial of President Trump, lending a preview of the arguments, both substantial and procedural, underlying the central assertion that the president abused his office and should be removed. , democratspage brief argued that the president committed high crimes and misdemeanors, charging him with abuse of power and obstruction of congress, and lay out the evidence and legal analysis they intended to present. While they buckle down on their allegations that the president is guilty of pressuring a foreign power to investigate a 2020 political rival, they say the only lingering question they have is whether the senate will be a fair arbiter of justice. Weing up in just a moment, will turn our attention to africanamerican voters in the 2020 election and also their role in the election. We are going to take a short break. Newsmakers airs at 10 00 a. M. Eastern time, 7 00 for those of you on the west coast. Our guest for you this week is senator ben cardin of maryland. We talk about the 2020 elections, and he is a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and the killing of general caps on solemani oleimani. Asem s is that something you will have to wait until all them opening arguments are made, or is there discussion about getting back onto that as soon as possible, how volatile the situation could be . Is privileged,on and senator kaine believes he has 51 senators who will support the resolution. He believes we have the support to pass this resolution. The resolution is very simple. It says basically that the president does not have authorization to use force against iran. Tocertainly has the right defend america against an imminent threat, but he does not have the authority and if you ifo use military horse he wants to use military force, he must seek authorization from congress. It may be privileged during the impeachment trial, it is not clear. We are waiting for the parliamentarian to give us a ruling. But we are hopeful, because there is need to conduct business over the next several weeks. We do not know how long the impeachment trial is going to go. It will get a consent between Mitch Mcconnell and Chuck Schumer for an opportunity to take up this resolution within, i hope, the next week or two. Cardin,nator ben democrat of maryland, member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He is our guest on the newsmakers program. The freeisten to it on cspan radio app, airs at 10 00 eastern time, also at 6 00 eastern time here on cspan. Johnson,o welcome ted with the Brennan Center for justice at nyu school of law. Good morning, thank you very much for being with us. Guest its great to be here. Host we want to talk about africanamerican issues, and i want to talk about something written in the Washington Post the headline black americans, they are deeply pessimistic about the country , and thesident trump story includes the following. President trump made a stark appeal during his 2016 election when he asked, what do you when he asked, what do you have to louisiana go 3 toulouse to lose . The findings come from a Washington Post if cells poll of africanamericans nationwide, which reveal fears about whether their children will have a fair shot to succeed and believe that white americans do not fully appreciate the discrimination that black people experience. While personally optimistic about their own lives, black americans offer a bleaker view about their community as a whole. They also expressed their determination to try to limit the president to a single term in office. Guest yes. A couple things here. First, the pessimism about the country today is matched with an optimism about personal outcomes, therell lives. This is something we have seen among black voters for decades. This is not new. A lot of what this election will be from black voters is about the removal of trump. This will guide their voting behavior when the voting starts in the primaries, choosing between Democratic Candidates, and also in the general election, where 97 of black voters will support whoever the general nominee is. That said, President Trumps disapproval rating is not where it needs to be to keep black voter turnout where it needs to be if they want a chance. That is not sufficient to get black voters to the polls. Democrats will need to run the right candidate, and they will need to be very strong if they have a shot at winning 2020. Host guest the number one myth is all black people are liberal as can be, and 90 of them hold the same politics. His is not true all of the polling we have seen of shown that all only 25 black americans identified as liberal whereas 75 identified as either conservative or moderate. If the perception is black voters, because they vote overwhelmingly democratic, preferred candidates that are more progressive and more to the that running those candidates will help you win elections. Is, black waters are pragmatic and politically diverse. Can speakndidates who to each constituency in the black electorate or moderate the of thosesires different constituencies is probably the best way to of getting black voters support. Host the rise of Pete Buttigieg, the question was whether black voters would vote for a gay candidate. You say that is a myth. Guest there is a strain of homophobia with any community. Within black america, mayor Pete Buttigiegs inability to attract black support, is not a function of his sexuality, but more his age, experience, and south bend is not exactly a state or federal position. If want to look at how black candidates,der gay they elected the mayor there, they black woman, and want to talk about how they voted for her and whether her sexuality had kissed here partner in a black church, she probably would have been asked to leave what we supported her anyway because sexuality doesnt matter when it comes to politics. Atlanta,t november in hes President Trumps welcome at the africanamerican vote and what he has done so far as president. President trump rollback of the provisions of the 1994 clinton crime law, which was so unfair to your community. Which severely and disproportionately harmed africanAmerican People. We are also advancing Second Chance hiring to get rehabilitated citizens with a criminal record back. [applause] issident trump the economy so good that we are given chances today that years ago you would not have. Are so happy. Employers are so happy with the results. As anook at it opportunity. Where has this been for 30 years and why have we not been doing this for so long . Hire all americans. That is the president speaking to an africanamerican group back and atlanta, georgia, in november. Black americans are deeply pessimistic about the country under trump, whom more than eight in 10 described as a racist. Why the disparity between what the president is proclaiming and what were seeing today . Guest the policy gains he talked about, those policy wins are insufficient to overcome the brand the Republican Party has among black americans based on five or six decades of policies. The rhetoric from the president regarding race, specifically people from majority black countries, remarks of the black so, the idea that an Unemployment Rate where everyone is doing better but ofrs is still 1. 5 times that americans white americans, those are not sufficient. The claim when he was campaigning in 2016, that he would win 95 of the vote in 2020, devise history. The last republican president to more than 65 of the vote after the Voting Rights act of 1965, the republican gets 10 or 11 until barack obama ran. Barack obama did well among africanamericans. Inmp pulling it percent actually underperformed since 1968. He had long road when it comes to winning black support. Policy proclamations are not enough to do that. Were talking with , a graduate ofn stanford university. Africanamerican voters in campaign 2020 is what . Guest it will be determined. , theemocratic nominee candidate who wins the black vote, will become the nominee and that is to the case since 1988. That candidate since then thethe black vote won nomination. They have split among white voters but joe biden is fully a 50 among black voters across the country, the reason he is leading by a few points overall. Into southds carolina, joe biden will probably become the presumptive nominee of black voters support him, which means they will be the ones who determined the because white voters are essentially split on support. Africanamerican canada cory booker is among those who recently dropped out. Why . Guest mostly money. The same thing that played,. Early in the primary after Kamala Harris and joe biden have had a mix up around busting in the debate, senator harris experience a bump in her polling and also her funding and a lot sheeports show to the time was getting more money from than anydistricts other candidate but that money dried up. About that and the polling to support debate appearances, the candidate cease to become viable. The assumption was because she was black, black voters would support them. That is also a myth. Black voters vote for the candidate who knows best and gives them the best chance to win in the general election and also who can demonstrate a viable candidacy, not based on candidacy positions but also other groups, winning the coalition in bringing the money necessary to keep the campaign going. Host looking back of the president s record, back in january 2016, the unemployment ate among black americans was. 7 and now it is 5. 9 , a record low. They have benefited. Guest everyone has benefited under this economy. The economy has improved since 2009 and a lot of people attribute this to barack obama. If you look at white unemployment, it is down to 2 and 3 . Black unemployment is higher. If you look at where black people live predominately, in the disparate rate of unemployment in those places is even more. The last i saw it in washington, d. C. , white unemployment was 2 and black unemployment was 12 or 13 . Nationally, the members may look that are then in history, but the Racial Disparities to exist since the 50 the 1950s. Black folks are being left behind in the economy. You are employed, it does not mean you are paid fairly. There is a large wealth gap. Just having a job, while important, is not sufficient when you talk about Economic Security or that they themselves would fare better in this economy. I am not a democrat or a republican. I do not support any candidate at all. I specifically look at what Political Science says about the moment we are in and try to offer some insight into why black voters are behaving the way we are. We will get to your phone calls in a moment. For democrats, 202 7488000, it for republicans, 202 independents, 202 7488002. An africanamerican sorority, trying to get their support. Biden you have been consistent in service, scholarship, sisterhood, and woman heard womanhood. We need you. Thank you for all you have done. Not only did he wish a happy founders to visit us, but the day before founders day, he wish them the same. Another black sorority. He did the same. He did this for black fraternities as well. Here that to reach out to black culturalnd certain markers and organizations important to winning elections. Black Sorority Members across america, more than one million, black women are more politically engaged in the black community and one of the most engaged blocks in the country. Black support sororities and collegeeducated and show youilize understand and recognize the contributions, is a very smart for his campaign. Tom steyer also released a happy founders day message. This is something campaigns should be doing more of. Why is the former mayor of south bend struggling . Guest folks just do not know who he is but there is a sense he has not done enough to know who black voters are. Coupled with reports coming out of south bend , black south benders, that they are not satisfied with him, controversies around his Police Department and the firing of the chief there, there is a sense that he has not engaged consistently or long enough to win over black voters. Plays a factor in his whack of legislative and executive expense plays a factor. It remains to be seen if he can change the narrative over the next few months but time is running out and biden does not seem to be relenting his hold on black support. Host this is what mayor Pete Buttigieg said in the des Moines Register debate this past tuesday. Mayor buttigieg the black voters who know me best are supporting me. I have the most support in south bend and elected black vigils so far, most of them are supporting me. I am proud my campaign is cochaired by a member of the Congressional Black Caucus and have support right here in iowa from some of the most recognizable black elected former barry in black hawk county. The biggest mistake we could make is to take black votes for granted and i never will. The reason i have the support i do is not because any voter thinks i am perfect. It is because of the work we have done facing some of the toughest issues that communities can. Not from the luxury of a debate or a Television Panel or committee room, but on the ground. Issues from poverty to justice in policing. I am proud to say we have been nationally recognized for our greater economic justice, that we have reduced use of force by leaving the region and transparency around the use of force in policing. Of course there is a much longer way to go, in my community and around the country. I will be a president s personal commitment is to continue to do his work. Your reaction . Good. It sounds i think he rhetorically hit the marks he was looking to hit. The thing up front, that the black folks who know him are supporting him. There are just not enough, frankly. He is talking about if is just gets to know him. To repeat them earlier point, there is a sense that he is not interested in getting to know them. This happens not just in lunches with harlem and in harlem with al sharpton. This is every state, seeking out by communities and going to wear , the barbershop and sorority meetings, and listening. Not going to lecture about how your policy agenda will address their needs, but listening to other needs are and Building Trust with those communities. In a december essay for the Washington Post, Available Online, five myths about black voters. They are as follows. Host lets get to your phone calls. In north charleston, South Carolina. It is a lot to unpack. Will china keep it is fundamentally sound as possible. We will start with history. This country, we are integrated in a system that has never been beneficial to our people ever. We will start with that. The original 13 colonies would not have come into inception if wasnt written up. We can talk about jim crow. We can talk about segregation. We can systematically review all of these historical policies that went through the same congress, the same house, and put on paper. How can i say this . It curtailed our development as a people. Science, mathematics, history, 85 to 90 of everything you see in existence is a product of african thought. Host thank you. A current ofis black conservatism in the United States that does not believe the government is best suited to address the problems that plague black america. Of lonmin majority of black americans recognize that the only way our detections will reign in place is if government commits to those things. The reason we see electoral and here among congressional and president ial election days is because the sense is the Democratic Party has been more progressive on civil rights and does more to protect civil rights gains than the Republican Party has. Recognize the colors point that racism has existed in the United States for a long time, but black voters voting pragmatically do not vote for todidates who promise abolish racism tomorrow, but those who will prioritize approaches to keeping civil rights games today and making more gains in later years. Host massachusetts, bob, good morning. Caller good morning. I have a couple of questions. It is curious to me. Since 1960 when we had all the ivil rights movements, thought everyone was coming around and doing good. And the country was cruising along, and black people are getting elected into offices. I really do not agree with having black and latino caucuses. You are separating government officials and making them into racial groups, which is bad. But all of these races have been coming on and we put in a black president. Then everyone says our economy was doing great since 2008. One pointcame up with to gdp in his entire time in. Mr. Trump took out all of these regulations. Our economy turned around and went up to two or three points. No one wants to admit mr. Trumps policies have turned our economy around. It was dying when mr. Obama went in. And here we are. And all of this racism. When i look at a black man, i want to know, does he hate me so much and really think that im racist, and i am not, but why does he think i am . Because barack obama told him to hate me and you are telling toryone in your committee hate me, that im the reason they cannot succeed. How did mr. Obama become president . Have a nice day. I am not sure which conversation he has been listening to. Theres nothing about black voting behavior that is based on labeling other people as racists , or hitting them. Black voting behaviors based on what most americans base their voting choices on, which party and which candidate can enact policies that will help my community, my state, and my family do better. The economy has grown steadily since 2009. It has grown under obama and under President Trump. Most folks have benefited from that. Growth has not been even those of the top that have benefited more. I understand the callers frustration but racism, 1. I want to make, i am not calling for anyone to hate. I serve my country for 21 years in the United States navy. Andica coming together having different politics and recognizing that a good economy benefits our all us all, we can not do so based out of hatred. Let me show you this story. Tomorrow is my dr. Martin luther king day. They will name the new 12. 5. Illion Aircraft Carrier n tofirst black america receive the award, back in 1932, after he fired back on japanese planes with a machine gun in 1941. Black time of the attack, americans were not allowed to manage gun in the u. S. Navy. The ship he was on was attacked by the japanese during the invasion of the islands. I think this is a good move by the navy, recognizing them the matter when they served or what their color was or the conditions. He was not trained in the weapons he was firing. He was a cook and the side of that based on the attack, someone had to do something. A gun and wrist his life for a country where jim crow was president and he could not vote and his family had less opportunity than others. And hes still decided to serve in risk his life for the country. This is something that makes us great, superlative citizenship, the idea that youre willing to make sacrifices for your country even when it has not lived up to its end of the bargain as much as it should have. We welcome our listeners on cspan radio coasttocoast app. Rius xm and the radio also to our listeners on channel 124, which carries the washington journal every sunday morning. Republican line, good morning. Arlington, virginia. Good morning to you and to your guest. Thank you very much. Comment is and really zooming out and looking at that American History theality starting from early days all the way through and eventrial age through the Civil Rights Era to today. Where is it that the whosnamerican voter listening to america make America Great again, how it is supposed to get excited about any of these things and what era was great for them . My comment is involvement. Is it not ok for folks resigned to the fact that this was not meant for or decided by, and at , to benefitde for me and my community . There was no pause to say we will pass this section of and contribute to the welfare of these communities specifically. So then why should i think for one second that some kind of ,eadership will come through specifically to focus on the situation in the black community with the brief moments like that whole foot era for the community was thriving. Finally a black Community Thriving like that today, i do not see it. Host thanks for the call. Guest local leadership is necessary and we should not wait for National Elections to seek this out and to take leadership roles in our community. A lot of civil rights gains were,n 1940 and 1968 which by republican and democratic foes in congress. Through course that leaned one way or another. Everything from 1948 when truman desegregate the military to eisenhower sending 101st airborne to ensure the little k nine to do separate desegregate the high school, to the legislation that went society in the 1960 Voting Rights act under lyndon johnson. Massive civilt rights gains for the country. This was led by a party but required by bipartisan support. This is an example that, on things we deem important, we can come together and make things better for all americans. Host one of the ads for the tramp campaign, black was is for trump. Following things. Lowest black employment ever, giving hardworking americans a Second Chance through criminal justice reform, and the president invested more in historically black colleges and communities in any other president. In novembers event in atlanta, georgia. I looked at the bleak and dismal record of the Democratic Party and asked the africanamerican community, what do you have to lose, right . What do you have to lose . I came off the stage that night and professional hander handlers said sir, i do not think they will like that. I said look, i read a list, crime, last in crime and wages, and i said wait, im just reading off a list. It was not part of the strip the script. I do my best work off script. This, but ie to say also do my worst work off script. You never get in trouble when you go by the script. Workmy best of my worst and it makes things very exciting. My best work. It was an important statement to be made. The democrats have let you down. I made you a solid pledge that whether you will be voted for not, i will be your greatest champion. Morningr guest tomorrow on cspans washington journal will talk more about this. Fact calls. In kansas, mike, independent line. Good morning. One Franklin D Roosevelt was healthy, he did not care about poor people. Only when he got polio did he start caring. We both the interstate highway. We built the spatial and went to the moon. Once black people got rights, the jump from the Democratic Party and over to the Republican Party and republicans have been destroying franklin d. Roosevelt legacy ever since. The rich people stay rich. They stay rich. You need to do a history lesson. The Democratic Party dont know what the warriors by the Republican Party does. People need to open their eyes. Host thanks for the call. Guest under fdr, you begin to see a number of black voters who identified as republicans, begin to debt to identify as democrats. They were supporting fdr. A lot of a new deal programs under eisenhower, while they help the country and rescued the country from the great depression, black americans did not realize the same games at the same time. These things left black americans behind in many respects. So, there is no party that is immune from racial discriminatory policy or policies that were colorblind ricky mented it in a racially discriminatory way. Black voting behavior is usually governed by the sense that government policy, if not without the proper oversight, would leave americans behind, and theyre looking for candidates who make sure that does not happen or give the best chance to realize the american jim mcgovern else. Back to this headline in the Washington Post saturday, black americans as we approach the election. More than eight in 10 black americans believe President Trump is a racist and has made racism a bigger problem in the country. Nine and 10 disapprove of his Job Performance overall. Asmussen goes well be the assessments of the president. A majority of africanamericans say this a bad time to be a black person in america. That is across income, generational, and political lines. To joseph, republican line, good morning force in florida. I am a black conservative. It is kind of hard. It is hard to be black and have to do look at you as a conservative. Because people have thought of us as liberals. One thing i cannot do is sit things be said that are untrue. Im a born again christian. I hope you will please let me speak without shutting me off. It seems like every, watch you guys, you get a black sending accurateying to get knowledge out there and you cut him off right away. Speak as long as you let the guy who came in ranting and raving about obama, give me as much time as you let him have. Obama came in and we were in a depression. They want to say it is only a recession. He all the way to the 25,000s. Unemployment was record lows. The financial district, turned that around. Record foreclosures turn that around. Overseas, he was going to came up with the idea andepatriating businesses giving a tax cut if you brought businesses back to america. Trump did, he hates obama. Everything he has done is to undo everything he did. Im being real here. He has him everything he can to overturn anything obama did, even to the detriment of this country. Hate trump. Hat we obama so much, the republicans did. I could not call myself republican after they made it up point during the inauguration of obama, to say we will not let this man have any successes. We want him to be a one term president. The straw that broke the camels back was a bill that would have bridges, airports, rail, authored by 17 or 16 republicans and it went through the house, it went to the senate, passed unanimously or bipartisanship with bipartisanship, and george w. Bush could not get it signed because he was leaving office. Host i will jump in. Caller let me finish. Host stop 40 minute. Go ahead with your question. Stop for a minute. Ask a question. Go ahead with your question. Caller the one guy got on and said that whats his name only had 2 . Gop under obama . There were five different 4. 6,ers where he had 4. 1, 5. 3, and the other two are, gdp growth. Guest a couple of things. Two metapoints i want to make. The caller said he was a black conservative. Black want to say is conservatives are prevalent. The difference is black conservatism does not necessarily mean the black person votes republican in every election. Conservatism in the black community is a set of beliefs that are not as untold as in other parts of america. Polarized partisan environment. Partisanship has run rampant. The circles we tend to travel in politically, socially, and where we live, we tend to be surrounded by people with the same Political Police as we hold and these are bundled together with social beliefs, cultural beliefs, and this gives us what a professor at the university of maryland calls mega identities. Mean thea identities party we belong to signal a whole range of things we believe. N our world video the things being far part, we see the other side as evil or an existential threat to the country. The facts that come out about obama and trumps presidency are often risk distorted once they get it to these identity cycles and we get the two callers we have just seen, where they have different facts, different outlooks, and they think the other side hates them and that they are a danger to the country, when most americans do not believe that, but we get into these narrative bubbles based on our identities we adhere to that frankly harm the country. We need to being aware of. Politicians will play on these passions because they make for good turnout and elections that are winnable. But it is not helpful for the country on either side. The quicker we mend fences and talk across party lines and knotted here so strictly, the better of the country will be socially and politically. Host where did you grow up . Guest raleigh, north carolina. My family was one of the few black families there. My parents were children of jim crow in South Carolina and georgia. And i had a college pretty good life. Far from sometoo of the bad things that happened in black communities as well as some success stories. Purview ofven me a the promise of america as well as pitfalls if were not careful. Thank you for waiting, mary, good morning. Caller a couple of things. I noticed that the trump talking points, to me, are more like lip service designed to elicit sympathy from his own voters. Most blacks are not in prison and they will not benefit from at least two of those points. Other is the increase in jobs is not in highpaying jobs. Kind of job ate their not highpaying. In the last two or three years, im experiencing less opportunity for promotion, and to negativee comments from coworkers in terms and theyor elections, are assuming i will vote for the black candidate or the democrat candidate. I noticed the promotions are going to white males in an overwhelming amount. Efforts beingr put forward to be inclusive with anyone else. , myuld like to know what do theyd be expect for black people to do . We are not benefiting. Are trying to do the positive and yet crimes of being thrown to us and even the person calls them and toss about hate. What is a black person expected to do . Take our hat and sit on the side . Economically, the working been and middle class have stagnant. Risen to those who have already been doing quite well. Mowinghe economy is along, gdp games are not realized by pocketbook games games of american families. Experienced by all americans, not just in black and latino communities but White Working Class communities as well who are not seen the benefits of the economy and are hurting because of trade policies, automation, you name it. The economy is leaving folks behind. This is part of Bernie Sanders appeal, this economic message that he hopes and i think is borne out in the polling, will have a multiracial appeal. The last thing i want to say is in this Washington Post poll he has talked about, there is a sense among black americans that since trumps election, the more over at styles of Racial Discrimination or intolerance have become public, whereas dog whistling folks have talked about, essentially being an overt racist went out of fashion after 1960 eight and into the 1970s and over the decades. There is a sense it is returning. If you look at hate crime statistics, they are rising yearoveryear and black americans and Jewish Americans are victimized the most by these hate crimes. Something in the air suggests a form of racism we thought was dying is returning. This is why President Trumps polling numbers are so poor. Whether he should be held arsonally responsible is question but economically and socially, it suggests that something needs to change and a lot of folks are looking for a president who will bring together the country and that exploit diffs to differences. Eight in 10 americans say the president is a racist, which was conducted a survey conducted between the second and the eighth. A margin of error of plus or 3. 5 . It is Available Online. Maria from atlanta, good morning. Caller good morning. Im a political junkie, 58 years old. Never seen a great economy. My mother never had. I still see too much struggling and injustice in this system. I know voting does well at times but overall, i do not see how it does good. Vote and an inhumane system, i am just tired. I cannot see myself voting anymore in a country like this. Decadest does not take to get laws straight and i feel a time wasting my time. We wonder why people on opioids and drugs and struggling and depression. I know i. It is the system. I dont feel like they deserve my vote anymore. Great never seen a economy and people around me, i do my own surveys and asked they see af and continuing modernday struggling in america. Say ist thing i have to in georgia, minimum wage is seven dollars or something. You dont treat people right. One of when you want my vote, that dont go together. Thank you. Guest the sentiment she expresses, we are seeing a low more of. First, Voter Suppression measures are real in the United States. A number of states have enacted policies that make it more difficult for certain communities to vote. This can have the effect of peoplesmorale and faith in government. After barack obama in 2012 mobilized 66. 6 of black voters to churn out and register black 59 of 2016, only registered black voters voted. A 7 drop off. The decreased fee and ability and willingness of the government and policy demands. If you are in the black and after eight years, the help has not trickled down to you, there is nothing about 2016 that would suggest they will do more for you than barack obama did. As a result of government not delivering on its promises in the way it should especially in the Democratic Party given the loyalty black americans have demonstrated. Will barack obama endorse a democratic candidate and when . Guest i think he will endorse the nominee close to the invention convention. I would be surprised if he put his finger on the scales before the nominee was a given. I do not think you will lay and while it is still a competitive thing. A guess but it will at the process play out and whoever the presumptive nominee hishe will weigh in and do best to ensure the democratic nominee wins the white house in november. Ted johnson, a senior fellow. Thank you for being with us. Coming up, we continue the conversation with Brennan Center larry sabato from the Brennan Center. To northend, we travel carolina. Including an interview with an attorney and offer, rufus, author of a memoir. I subpoenaed the president 46. Ears ago it was the first Prime Minister the community at committee of congress issued a subpoena for the president. We got to the executive Office Building and there was another reporters and we had already called to make s. Rangement mr. Nixons current counsel. He had a habit of Different Councils when they were not a bailey said to do. He was fired them and get another one at various times. Thing. His little sneaky i had a baby constitution about that size in the back of my pocket. I whipped that out and said i heard you need one of these. It not only got delivered and subpoena for the tapes. Just a little thing for a barefoot boy in the mountains. We traveled this weekend on cspan twos book tv in American History tv. You can follow online anytime. Joining us from virginia is larry, larry sabato. Misstated the 2020 democratic primary race is what . Guest confused. Time, not all at the same time, but throughout the campaign, there has been a total of 28 Democratic Candidates for president , an alltime record meant just for the Democratic Party but for all major parties that existed in American History. That is an enormous number of candidates. I was rooting for 31 so we could assign an ice cream flavor from baskinrobbins to each candidate. But we did not get that far and now we are down, depending on how you help them, a little fewer than 15, 6, 7, 8 candidates you would still call major. That is a lot of people. Theyll have supporters. They all have different points of view. They are all masturbating. You have a handful qualified. The plugin in a lot of different and contradictory messages. Most polls say joe biden by a small margin and read by him is pretty sanders and below bernie anders, Elizabeth Warren Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar, moving up a bit, andrew yang. Probably left out somebody and i will hear from them later today. The long and short of it is the picture is unclear and it will not be clear until after march 3, super tuesday. Iowa, february 3. Then the nevada caucuses. Then South Carolina, and critical primary because it is really the first one where africanamericans have a major say. In nevada, spanish hispanic americans will have a major say. I lay New Hampshire are overwhelmingly white. Until we get to march 3 when you have a wide variety of states, including very large ones, we will not have a fix on how this is shaking out. The big question in all of this is mike bloomberg, now with a staff of over 1700 on the super in advance of tuesday and is about to spend up to 1 billion to help the nominee defeat donald trump. Yes. I am watching him closely. Never had a candidate worth 55 billion or anything close to it. He is i do not know what worth but no more than a couple of billion based on the studies i have seen, not that that is not substantial. I do not know how people only live on a billion dollars. I could not do it. Tom steyer is in the race and a billionaire. I am not saying he could be or is the favorite. Had of acase we have major candidate deciding to jump in and skip the early contest would be rude Rudy Giuliani on the republican side back in 2008, he chose florida to make his debut and flopped miserably. The difference between giuliani and bloomberg is that back then, giuliani was not worth that much money into not have that much to spend. Bloomberg can do as he pleases. Correct to cite staffers. That is more important than the money spent on tv advertisements. Millionrossed the 160 mark on tv ads. Outou do not rule somebody who is not playing by the rules that we have applied to other candidates in other years. He is going to need other major candidates to deadlock in the first four contests. He will need iowa, New Hampshire, nevada, and South Carolina to produce different winners so he can come in on march 3, super tuesday, the only one who can afford major advertising and all of those states and when. He has to win some states march 3 and follow up a week later with another big democratic primary across the country, a week later followed up by a for democrats,ay march 17. St. Patricks day, two thirds of the delegates to the Democratic Convention will have been selected. Not saying we will have a nominee designated by them, but a very good idea of what is happening and the potential winners and supporters can go out and have a happy beer and those supporting candidates who are lost who have lost can drown their sorrows. Just based on the polling anders, if you look at iowa former mayor Pete Buttigieg and Elizabeth Warren, they have fallen in the polls in iowa. What do you contribute that too . There has been a natural change in this contest almost always, kind of a roller coaster particularly in a state like iowa where you have a substantial turnout and probably the largest caucus turnout this year as well. Activists dominate that i was system. Are the people who follow this not just week to week or day today, but almost minute to minute. They seem dissatisfied if they have mimetic candidate 3 04. Met a candidate three or four times. Partially because they have strong influences on the road each day. That is natural and we have seen some of that. I also think maybe democrats are on what appears to matter to the most this year which is winning. Winning mean speeding donald trump. Democrats have not always been focused on victory. This year is interesting because democrats so strongly opposed donald trump, they are looking for a winner. That push them from various candidates and he does other various candidates with some frequency. Host have you followed the. Ebate and rule changes in iowa we will essentially get a couple of different numbers which may muddy the waters in terms of the winter. Piece andt was a good i entered people to read it. It will show them how complicated this is. I favor primaries personally. In order to solve disputes from the last time around between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton iowa 2016, theyre going to release the first count, of everybody who comes to the caucuses the matter who they are supporting. After the first round, you get or allow people who are supporting candidates who do not have at least 15 support at the caucus site to either leave the caucus room if they dont like anybody else, or move to one of the candidates who pass the 15 threshold. Thatill get a count matters before the elimination process begins. Countou will get a second based on recounts with all people being retributive themselves, he will get that hard count of human beings and then that will be translated into delegates and you will get the delegate count. Youll get three counts. Now what will happen . We have been around politics a long time. Well inidate who does any one of those three counts will be 70 up press releases proclaiming victory. I will be shocked if we do not have several candidates who say that they won the iowa caucus. When we get the numbers in, there is no way they will change it in terms of the rules set in place . Guest no, those are the rules. Several different sets of rules just in this election season. They keep changing them in part because the Democratic National committee is not satisfied with what they come up with. That is another debate. I do nothing iowa should be first. But they are. They join together to maintain the status of being first and second. New hampshire wants to be the first primary. Object to any change in iowa, which makes the iowa caucus look more like the primary. It gets complicated when you look at the details. I encourage people who get headaches easily not to look into the details. I want to ask you about a piece posted on your website looking at one possibility, and i would favor the republicans. Guest yes. Heres why. That was a piece by the managing editor who does a great job. I have focused on this for years and wrote about it in a book in the first decade of the century. It will happen. There will be a year where we have 269. States are polarized in a way that makes probably six or seven scenarios legitimate you are going to get a tussle to change the minds of the electors. They still have the right to vote for whomever they please, whether or not they conform to the states votes. Holds, no candidate has a majority. The selection of the next president will go to the house of representatives. It will probably be between the top two finishers. Thats the norm. You can include a third. This will be between the top two finishers. There are 435 members,. That would make some sense. Thats not how its going to be. When this provision was designed decided they because of the importance of federalism and states rights, they would give each state one vote in the selection. Back then, you did not have that much of a population differential between the most populous state in the least populist area populist. California is 68 times the population of wyoming. One votea would get and wyoming would get one vote. Texas almost always leans republican, would get one vote and rhode island which is heavily democratic would get one vote. This is going to be extremely controversial. Have 26 votes, a majority of the 50 states. Why wouldnt somebody be able to accumulate 26 . Many delegations are going to have an equal split in their house of representatives delegations. Switches, youy will have a tie. There could be some states completely disenfranchised. They will have no vote in this selection. Talk about sparking a revolution. Have the, republicans edge in the house in delegations. Likely, the republican nominee for president would be selected under this archaic system designed and the founders which made sense in the 1790s and in this time in the 21st century. He is the center for politics in charlottesville. You have been there for how many years . Caller this is my 50th year with uva. I was here as a student and a staff member. Its been a quick 50 years. The years just fly by. I have loved it. I have enjoyed most of it. Im just thrilled to have been here and survived for this many years. I hope to go a few more. Host lets get to your phone calls. Good morning. Caller good morning. How are you . Thank you for being on. Guest i hope you are well. Caller i want to make one quick statement. I want to thank you for mentioning cspan. I want to mention not only did basically, he is the first hero of world war ii. Planest down 13 of the when it was against the law to man the guns was incredible. He was 230 pounds. He was the heavyweight champion of the navy. A hero in he became world war ii. My question is this, a lot of times you get people like Candace Owens who mentioned the Democratic Party has been the racist party. Please speak to the transformation of the Democratic Party from being one that was run by the dixiecrats. Especially in his second term, the disruption of the lack wall street. The party has transformed under kennedy and johnson. Johnson enacted the Civil Rights Act and progressive moves to make the country equal. Partyhow the republican under leadership adopted the southern strategy which allowed jesse helms to move over. A lot of republicans who were seven democrats moved over during that time. Please address that transformation. Host thank you for the call. Guest the gentle meant a great job answering his own question. I dont need that i meet to supplement it. Need to supplement it. The Democratic Party today is the opposite of the old Democratic Party. The 1950s,roughout in virginia which was controlled by old southern democrats. They believed in total , they fought the slightest desegregation. It was called massive resistance. I am sad to say that in my hometown, the schools were shut rather than desegregated. Now, the samee in thing. There were other localities that participated in this. Was aappened essentially tribute to the broadening of the franchise. This is an important lesson for all of us. And people get the vote and exercise the vote, which many are not doing today, minimizing their importance in our society, when they exercise the franchise, they get influence and politicians and parties that were not interested in them become very interested in them. In the mid1960s with the passage of the Civil Rights Act and most especially the Voting Rights act and the passage of the constitutional amendment abolishing poll taxes, you have to pay taxes for several years he for you got the right to vote , before you could show up and exercise your franchise. It disproportionately applied to african americans. Thats when the big change started. The democrats who were the dominant party in the south started attracting many of those new voters. The conservatives were voted out of office in some places. They joined the Republican Party. The Republican Party had been the liberal party on race. Reversed. Ons are weve seen a tremendous change. The Democratic Party is the procivil rights party. I think that is shown very clearly in the patterns of voting. At of think 90 of africanamericans would vote for democrats if they did not feel democrats were supportive of their rights, the same is true of hispanic americans though they vote about two thirds for democrats, one third for republicans in most elections. Its a fascinating process that proves we make break great progress over time. The pessimists are wrong in many respects. We have made great progress. If you want to have influence as an individual or a member of a group, you had better go out and register to vote and always vote. Dont give me the excuse that they are both bad. Both candidates are evil. There is always a lesser of evils. Always vote, even if you dont like either candidate for a particular office. Welcome our viewers on the Bbc Parliament channel. Also those listing on cspan radio or on channel 124. I want to get back to calls. I want to ask you about two headlines. A tension in richmond for a gun rights assembly that will take place tomorrow. Applies the lessons from charlottesville in richmond tomorrow. Explain what is going to happen. Guest i hope nothing other than legitimate lobbying and constitutional seeking of grievances. Thats legitimate and its essential in a democracy. Lets hope thats it. Unfortunately because we have a in and disturbing element our population that is not just whiteght but is extremist supremacy oriented, not just white nationalists, what really gets me and i saw this with my own eyes when it happened in charlottesville in 2017, they marched right in front of my home. And hundreds of young people, mainly young people, are supporting adolf hitler. My dad was a world war ii veteran. Was enough to outrage me. I hope a lot of other people, to see young people wearing swastikas and shouting cutler slogans. Are they nuts . There are a lot of them. Some are planning on making a rare appearance reappearance in virginia. It was a day set aside to lobby legislatures. Those that favor gun control show up to lobby their legislators and people who are opposed to gun control show up to lobby their legislators. Legitimate and part of the system. This disturbing element in our society latches onto things like that. They use these gatherings for their own purposes. The police of already arrested some who were bringing weapons, who planned on some kind of slaughter to produce chaos in the streets. I hope theyve gotten them all. The governor here has had his problems. He did the right thing in this case. Police and the local police of done exactly the right thing. They learned from charlottesville. They are prepared. They are ready to engage if they have to protect people. Good for them. I hope these people are frustrated, not just in richmond but in every circumstance across the United States. The gun debate will be front and center. Lets go to jerry in new jersey. You are on the air. Go ahead. Caller i am a registered democrat. I have a couple of comments i want to make. One is regarding the topic of the lack people and the vote. I do not believe the polls about the black people. Democrats are for illegal immigration. They want open borders which is going to hurt black people. One of the reasons the numbers are better is because trump is controlling the border. Theyre not as many illegals coming in. They know this. Im not telling them anything new. I dont care about your numbers. They are not going to want a democrat in for open borders. Its not going to do the blacks any good. Host your reaction . Guest i will stick with the numbers. David from newto jersey. Caller i have two quick questions. What is your assessment of the black republican running in michigan for the u. S. Senate . What are his chances of winning . To youre you done predictions to make sure its more accurate for the president ial election . Host lets take the second question first. 2016 was not a good year for those predicting who was going to win. Guest i think it was pretty widespread that people were surprised by Donald Trumps victory. I think people who say they werent are rewriting history. Everybody including many members of the Trump Campaign were surprised that he won. He is referring mainly to polling, there are some very good clinical science models that came closer to the result than the polls it. Did. The polls as a whole were not inaccurate. Polling averages are a good way to look at polling. When you average them out, they had Hillary Clinton up in the country by 3 . She and up winning the popular vote, which is what you measure, by 2. 1 . They were off by 0. 9 . The problem is the popular vote does not translate well to the Electoral College vote. Thats what the problem came in. There were some inaccurate , thats that led analysts included pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin. What we done sense . More on theto rely Political Science models because they were more accurate. We are looking at the variable of education. That was not included as much as it shouldve been in projecting the election results. It turns out that education is now a great predictor for the trump arab of how people vote. Education,ave Higher College graduates, postgraduate education, they tend to vote democratic. Im not saying they all do. Those who have less than a college education, part college, high school, less than high school, if they are white, they vote republican. You have to factor all of these things in. All of us to analyze elections of work hard on this over the last four years. We are going to do a better job in 2020. I hope i dont have to eat those words. Host lets draw our attention to this survey. Gary peters is running for reelection. John james shows the democrat is ahead but only narrowly. Guest john james ran before for the u. S. Senate and lost that race. Say on the whole, despite having voted narrowly 2016,nald trump in despite that, it is still basically a Democratic State as a whole. Peters say that senator is the favorite. You can argue about whether he is just a slight favorite or a moderate favorite. I dont think he is a heavy favorite. James is a good candidate. Ive seen him give presentations on cspan. Hes an impressive candidate. You cant rule summary like that up. Suppose donald trump wins the election in november by five points in michigan, there are coattails. Win, trumpre to would have to carry michigan and by a few percentage points. Host we will go to john in virginia. Good morning. For taking my call. I appreciate cspan. I wanted to ask you to elaborate a bit more on what you said about the development of the Democratic Party. It seems to me that today the difference between the republicans and democrats is one of private realm versus public realm. The democrats are speaking in versus anictim status antiprivate realm issue. Id basically would like you to talk about the light hand of government versus the more heavy hand of government. Guest thats a good question. We were focusing on the dimension of race when we answered it the first time. There are other dimensions to politics. Between thefference parties is in general democrats leave in the power of government to be used for what they consider to be good things. More ind to invest government. Both parties today spend beyond our means. Democrats are more inclined to have trust in government. They think its a legitimate lever to use to accomplish important goals. Republicans are more suspicious of government. They dont trust government to be effective. They trust the private sector to a much greater degree. Thats a big difference between the parties. If you believe in the power of government and you think it can do good things and accomplish things efficiently, you would tend to be democratic. If you believe the private sector does a better job and is more efficient and more effective, you would probably be a republican. Thats a perfectly legitimate point. Host the impeachment trial gets underway on tuesday. Ken starr and Alan Dershowitz will be defending the president. What will you be looking for . Guest im not going to pay that much attention to the lawyers. In the only jury ere and in the broader jury the country. The senators will vote. The idea that in this very partisan age you could get 67 senators, which would have to include a minimum of 20 republican senators, potentially more, its inconceivable. Happen. Going to i dont care what evidence comes out. Im interested to see how many and how manyefect democrats defect. You have people like senator joe virginia, oneest of trumps most supportive states. I wouldnt be shocked if he voted against ouster. Doug jones from alabama, alabama is overwhelmingly protrump. You have Susan Collins in maine or cory gardner in colorado. And they reconciled the views of their constituents with their party views, which would be more supportive of donald trump. Thats the interesting part of it. The other interesting bit is how voters receive the impeachment trial. As a legitimate undertaking that is being wellrun and taken seriously with the proper delete degree of solemnity . How voterss, perceive the trial and how they are thinking about politics as we move into a dramatic election year. Those are the things im watching. The lawyers will come up with all kinds of wild arguments. We will watch in fascination. Affectingt mean its more than a handful of votes in the senate. Maybe it will fact more than a handful in the country. Earlyection is in november. How many additional controversies are there going to be between the end of this trial and voting day in november . Know if this is going to be foremost on the minds of more than the activists. The activists already know how they are going to vote. Host was it a mistake for democrats to bring up these articles of impeachment . Guest you could make that argument. Its not work the way some of them hoped it would. Some of them thought the evidence, which from their point of view is substantial, would convince more americans the donald trump had done wrong. Counted on a lot of americans who think he didnt do the right thing. He did something wrong involving a foreign government. That doesnt mean they will abandon the party id. Was it good or bad . We will have to see how it shakes out. To this point, it hasnt realigned american politics. They had to do their duty. They did what they thought was right. I give them credit for that. Host the New York Times looking at the nine candidates. One has already dropped out. The transcripts of the interviews with those candidates in advance of the primaries. Greg is joining us from texas. Good morning. Caller good morning. I am glad youre keeping your program together. Dont change anything. Listens to it. Do you hear me . Ok. Dont change your program for anybody. I appreciate everything you just said. If the present wouldve come out and said about the protesters, he would have everybody backing him. He got elected by dividing the country. We vote for everybody in this country to be free. The people from somalia looked down. There always beating down on the black people like we are a bunch of freeloaders doing nothing. You mentioned the people in virginia. They are ready to stand up. Im glad you mentioned that. When that guy got all of that , they were teasing the black basketball players and doing different stuff. That little boy got 40 million. We dont hate the police. We know what theyre up to. You need to run for president or office. People onain black facebook to talk bad about democrats. Get on thested they republican side . None of them get elected and. Host how do you respond to that . Guest i wouldnt want to be a citizen of any country that would elect me president. I will leave it at that. I think the gentleman for his confidence and i think all of us need to work on problems that he identified regardless of our race or party id. People of goodwill do. To continue to do it. I see that in the classroom every day. Awarepeople are very much. They are aware of the problems we have. They are determined to fix them. They also look at some of us who were older and say ok boomer. Host we will go to john in pennsylvania. Good morning. Good morning. I have a few comments about the Electoral College. It violates the rule of the people. Talks about fake news. There is nothing more fake than the Electoral College. A state like california is penalized for being big. Basically something to appease the slave states. It is something that has to be revised or eliminated. The polls are right. Hillary didnt win the election. She had 3 million more votes than the loser. Thats my comment. Host this debate has been front and center for the last 20 years with the last two republican president s winning the Electoral College but not the popular vote in their first elections. ,uest it really does divide its a partisan issue. Thate to disillusion person. If we keep it, i want to see it reformed. I have some ideas to do that. For revision or evolution. Its on the calendar people need to get their calendars out and look for the 12th of never. Thats the day the Electoral College will be seriously revised. Such a partisan divide, a partisan issue. Republicans strongly favor the Electoral College, a large portion. The Electoral College favors them. As steve just mentioned, the last two republican president s were elected by the Electoral College, they lost the popular vote, at least bush did the first time. Why dont democrats do better in the Electoral College . Because there votes are too few places. In california, there are millions of extra democratic votes. Democrats after 2016 that they could save a lot of money. The way to win the election in 2020 was to give incentives to democrats to move to pennsylvania, wisconsin, and michigan. If they had followed through on that advice, they would probably be in a better position in november 2020. Seriously, the Electoral College is divisive. It is divisive by party. Thats not going to change, at least not in my lifetime. Changet going to restitution late. To get a constitutional amendment, you need the support of an overwhelming majority of americans. We dont have that. Where not going to have that. Host tenet is in richmond, virginia. Is in richmond, virginia. Im would like for you to talk about the importance of voting by black women. Guest thats a very good point. 2016, africanamerican turnout was down, compared to 2008. If africanamericans have voted at a higher rate, if hispanic americans and voted at the rate they had voted in 2008, if young people had showed up at the same rate as they did in 2008, we would be having a different conversation right now. We will be talking about Hillary Clinton seeking a second term. Africanamerican women have made the differences in so many elections, most recently in alabama. Doug jones one that very close jeffal election to replace sessions who became attorney general for a while. Africanamerican women without any question were large turnout and elected doug jones. Every segment is important. Its important for everybody to turn out. Years, weve had lower turnouts among the young and among those who belong to racial and ortiz in most elections. Obama in 2008 was an exception. Say, politics is a good thing. Very few people believe that. My whole shtick is we have to act through politics to produce whatever change we want, whether its to the left or right or staying on the central highway. You have to participate. Get the lastyou word. You are on with larry sabato. Caller good morning. I have two quick questions. About theo say marches tomorrow in virginia, about gun rights, you may look for antifa causing trouble. York, a very blue state. I am a republican conservative. I happen to get through on the democrat line. Voteays wonder if my counts. Minority insuch a this state. I always vote no matter what. She makes a very good point because ive heard this so many times from democrats who live in bright red states that vote republican for almost everything and i hear a lot from republicans like this lady who live in a very deeply blue state and who are republican. It is frustrating. Move, you can go to a state that has your color. On pieces ofocus your state that reflect your views. Its probably just as important in nonwar and peace issues to elect local officials who are responsive to you. Districts,lenty of plenty of towns, plenty of counties even in a state that leans heavily in one direction. Thats a potential solution. Its important to vote regardless and to participate. Tos important for everyone deal with it. Without process patient, we will not survive. We have tremendous stresses on our system today. Very worrisome. The only solution is participation. Please get involved. Please register. Please vote. Its too important to leave to other people. Host you can follow him on twitter. Of the centerctor for politics at the university of virginia. Come back again. Guest i enjoyed it as always. The impeachment trial gets underway tuesday afternoon. We have a very simple question. Will you be watching. Our phone lines are open. 202 7488000 is the line for democrats. 202 7488001 four republicans. Four independent voters. Will you be watching . Is robert the phone burns from the Washington Post. You had a tweet the other day regarding the chief Justice John Roberts with a pledge to impartial justice. Thanks for being with us. Guest the potted plant line comes from a friend of his, harvard law professor who went to law school with him and his hot law classes with him since he has become chief justice. Wants to playrts some role and to make himself known a little bit. He thinks just to sit there and let the majority do what it wants to either way would not be fulfilling his job. Mentioned,nd as you there is no roadmap for this. Roberts is only the third person to preside over a president ial impeachment trial. There is nothing in the constitution that says what his powers are except to preside. Open for the chief justice to find his own role in this. Host one of the questions weve been hearing in terms of the trial, if there is a tie, the Vice President cannot break the tie. What is the role of the chief justice . Guest thats a good question. Everything goes through him. The centers are not allowed to questions. They have to write questions down and send it to the chief justice and decide question for the house managers or for the president s defense team. All of those things go through him. Justice likechief rehnquist who presided over the bill clinton impeachment trial work outher the senate these things on its own. One of the few decisions that rehnquist made was to tell senators not to consider themselves just jurors. They were the court as well. They were making up the rules for this. Think that was the best way to do it. The question is can the senate agree on anything. Host the work of the court continues. Thats directly across 1st street from the capital. On friday, you posted the story about the Electoral College. Can you elaborate on that point . Guest its an interesting issue, whether those who are elected to be members of the Electoral College have to do with their states tell them to or if they are seen in the constitution as people who make up their own minds. 2016 there were people who did not vote for the person they were supposed to vote for because of the results in their state. Say, in 2000, that was decided by five electoral votes. That would have been enough to make a difference in that race. There has never been one where the electors went for the other candidate. It just completely ignored it. They usually vote for a third party or they withhold their vote as a protest. Question the Supreme Court has never taken on. Courtes sense that the takes the case now rather than waiting for something to happen. Their decision would be deciding the winner of the race. You might remember the court doesnt like to do that. Host we are talking with Robert Barnes from the Washington Post. In thes of the calendar schedule, the trial will begin tuesday at 1 00. The schedule will include what . Ofst it comes at something a good time for the chief justice. There are oral arguments on tuesday and wednesday. He will spend his morning at the Supreme Court and will take a quick car ride across the street to the capital to begin residing over the impeachment trial. After wednesday, there are no more oral arguments for four weeks. This is a regularly scheduled break in the court schedule. They are about halfway through the term for oral arguments. It normally takes this break so they can start writing opinions in some cases theyve already heard since october. While it has worked out in the past that impeachment only takes place in the afternoons so the chief justice in the senate can do other work. They could schedule more sessions because of the Supreme Court not having oral arguments. Barnes, his work is available at the Washington Post. Thanks for joining us on this sunday. Guest thank you. The trial gets underway tuesday afternoon live on cspan two. Will you be watching . Taking in and has this impeachment piece. Lets get to chris joining us from indiana. Will you be watching . Caller yes. I plan to continue watching. Its very important for me to know what is going on. Are the senators going to be able to like Mitch Mcconnell said hes going to go along with whatever the president says. I dont think thats the way the court should go. They should go by the rules. Host we will know more about the rules on tuesday. Dolores is in staten island, new york. Caller i will be watching. Im watching for a couple of reasons, to see if they came to the pelosi witchhunt. We want to see if they come up with any new real evidence. Whatnk its a coverup for went on in the obama administration. Biden and his son look as guilty as can be. Know what our government has been doing all this time. Host alice is in washington dc. Caller i dont understand how the comment that biden and his son are guilty but they cant see the President Trump is guilty . I think hes guilty of what they are accusing him of. The congress is acting like fiveyearolds. Following thely president because he is a republican. Its a shame. Voting, thereout is a way they figured out that our votes do not count. Its not going to stop me from voting. I dont understand how hillary could get the majority of votes and not be president because of the Electoral College. Host we will go to mickey in southern maryland. Caller thanks for taking my call. I will definitely be watching. We need to monitor the actions of the senate. We need to make sure. They have taken a vow of impartiality. We need to hold them to their there has sure not been a trial. There needs to be evidence taken, depositions taken, evidence presented in an impartial way so we can get to the bottom of this. We dont know the depths of what happened. Foreigning money from a ally, withholding my night as a personal favor, that was giuliani working as a personal lawyer. These are crimes and they need to be pursued. Is the coveruliani story of the New York Times sunday magazine. This is a text message way fewer in pittsburgh. We appreciate that. Cspanal will be live on two. You can also listen to it on cspan radio. We will reair the proceedings 10 primeg prime time on cspan radio. Question fore a the commentator. Or any commentator. Why they only focus on two newspapers, the Washington Post and the New York Times. I will be watching the impeachment trial, but not on the democratically controlled nbc, cbs. Ike abc, i will watch it on cspan. I dont need the comments from News Reporters that are prodemocrat. Host this is the headline from fox news. Appearance, she wants to hear from adam schiff. We may call him as a witness if we have witnesses. Dont discount that it. He starts off in his opening argument line about the phone call with president zelenskiy. Just flat out line about the transcript of that phone call. He says he has no idea who the whistleblower is. His team had been coaching the whistleblower. Now, this is the guy who is going to come over and present the case to the United States senate . That is from fox news last night. She is the former Florida Attorney general. Next up is brad from virginia. Go ahead. Caller good morning. Thanks for taking my call. I have a quick question. Did you watch any of the greatest of all time jeopardy . I would be a good replacement for alex trebek. Host we thank you for that. Your comment about the trial . Aller i will be watching as never trump republican. Im looking forward to a day where i will be interested to see how people like romney and collins will be voting. I really want to see if he the stranglehold on the party. Say thee democrats president is the framers worst nightmare. We will go with mike in nevada. Good morning. Are you with us . We will try it one more time for mike. Pat in michigan. Good morning. Caller good morning. Im great. That trumpho think is a problem, let him get his last four years and so he cant run again. , dont support all of them some i think are fair. Host we will go next to texas. Good morning. Caller good morning. Ally on the air . Am i on the air . Are you there . Host go ahead. Wasnt the investigation of President Trump started by republicans . Thank you for the call. The front page of the New York Times. Here are some of the details. We will go to david who is joining us from vermont. Good morning. Caller good morning. Be ais going to counterfeit trial with counterfeit articles of impeachment that do not include was required by the constitution to be admissible. Just like the deep state mole who is the whistleblower, this is a coup. Not a single republican has the spine to call it what it is. It started off with the russian collusion crime. It is ended up with this counterfeit impeachment. People say, you can impeach the president for something thats not a violation of law. Treason,itution says bribery, high crimes and misdemeanors. You dont get to impeach the president for whatever you want. Unless you want to violate the constitution. Host thanks for the call. , a president in his Response Team of lawyers with a lengthy statement. , a team of lawyers with a lengthy statement. From arkansas, james. Good morning. Caller good morning. I will probably watch some of the impeachment. I have to work. Host will you be watching tuesday . Its live on cspan2. It will last until about 6 00 each evening. We still have firm details on the rules. Will you be watching . Caller yes. I sure will be. Just a couple of quick comments. President asked the question about the bidens, he was wanting to make sure that there was no potential corruption. That, there was a question as to corruption in ukraine. The funds were released. That is the fallacy of whats going on in this impeachment. I asked my congressman to make sure that the lawyers and the people who support trump get that message out there and prove it to the American People. Our passage should be called a hero. Host good morning. Caller how are you . Host i am doing great. The jeopardy gig would be awesome for you. Host we hope alex continue to do it. We wish him the best. Caller im not going to be watching this. Thetched every second of congressional strictly on party lines. Are the senators running for president . Are they going to excuse themselves . Let me get my thoughts straight. Schiff is on audio colluding with two ukrainian comedians to get information on trump and some nude photos. Joe biden did the same thing they are alleging the president did. There is obviously a double standard. Note, sheg on this waited until she got a bunch of incentives into her state before she gave her vote. This is a standard deal that senators do. They hold their vote and they wait to get their things and they cast their vote. Isnt that a quid pro quo . Its what they do. Host we believe that there. A couple of programming notes. For a moneyin ohio in politics program. A Campaign Rally with Elizabeth Warren, we are live with senator Bernie Sanders. The full schedule is available on our website. Tuesday, the senate trial gets underway. With senator next ben harden. Tomorrow, Nathan Gonzales will talk about camping 2020 in key house and senate races. Enjoy the the house will be in order. For 40 years, cspan has been providing america unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the Supreme Court, and Public Policy events from washington, d. C. ,