Cspan is brought to you by your local cable or satellite provider. Cspan, your unfiltered view of government. Get underway tomorrow. 10 00 eastern time, who is testifying and why . Guest george kent and William Tyler are testifying. Assistant toeputy the secretary of state. An ambassador in ukraine. Both of them are talking about the shadow policy under Rudy Giuliani and the quid pro quo. That is sort of what democrats are going to try and draw out of them. Host where will they sit . Guest where every other witness sites. It will be a bigger room than we are used to and they will be basically right next to each other facing questions from lawmakers and lawyers. Lawmakers of the the Intelligence Committee . Adam guest adam schiff and devin nunes. Adam schiff will control how the hearing goes and he will have to operate within the bounds of the resolution that the house passed last month regarding the procedures. How manylly controls 45 minute rounds that he and devin nunes get, during which they are expected to yield much of their time to staff attorneys who are more effective questioners than lawmakers. Host we have not seen devin nunes come to the cameras while the closeddoor depositions have been going on. What role do you think you will play . Guest he has become skeptical of the press. He used to talk to us all the time on the record on background and off the record. Awadays, he has gone on Certain Network and tried to disparage the press and he does not trust us. That is his view. Other republicans have filled the void like jim jordan and others eager to defend the president on camera. Devin nunes has not been as eager to do that. Host jim jordan is the Top Republican on the House Oversight committee has secured a position on the Intelligence Committee. How did that work . Guest they had to remove one republican from the Intelligence Committee, congressman crawford, in order to make room for congressman jordan. He will get a five minute round just like any other rankandfile lawmaker, but it said a lot that mccarthy had so much trust in him that he would remove a member from the Intelligence Committee and at jim jordan. He is a higher breathing defender of the president , and effective questioner and that is what people will see. Host go into more detail about these rounds of questioning and how they work. Guest the chairman, adam schiff, it gets to declare as many unlimited 45 rounds gets to declare as many unlimited rounds for himself and devin nunes. They are expected to yield much of their time to the staff lawyers for the republicans and democrats on the committee who have been doing much of the questioning behind closed doors. If you redo the transcripts you can identify who are the more effective questioners and that is who each side will want to use. After that point, it will be 15 minute round for the rankandfile lawmakers. Adam schiff does have the ability to call up fiveminute rounds, but he is expected to do one or two so that he and devin nunes can control all of the time in the hearing. In that way, it will be much different than viewers are used to. Host tell us who the council is for the democratic members, who is he and what is his background . Guest there are two we expect to see, Daniel Goldman and daniel noble. Yearsldman worked for 10 for the u. S. Attorneys office in the Southern District of new york. Daniel noble also worked in the Southern District of new york. Both of them specialize in fraud and foreign corruption crimes, which is why adam schiff brought them on to be director of investigations. They will have the most prominent role for the democrats. Host on the republican side . Guest there will mostly be a man by the name of steve castor. He is congressman jordans chief investigator to counsel investigative council. He has now shared staff, so when counsel congress been jordan was brought over, they brought steve over. Congressman nunez is expected to yield much of his time. Thereyou said mostly, is another lawyer that could do questioning . Guest during the deposition phase, other lawyers on different committees have asked questions including the Foreign Affairs committee. The Foreign Affairs committee will not be involved in the public hearings, is basically just going to be the Intelligence Committee and whatever shared staff is brought on. Almost all ofally the time in terms of the staff lawyers on the republican side to mr. Castor. Host republicans insisted that other witnesses, the witnesses that they would like to hear from get called before the committee, one being the whistleblower, others being hunter biden. Any indication that that will happen . Guest there are a couple of people i can see democrats volker, number one kurt mike ross were thinking about calling him anyway because he was one of their witnesses behind closed doors. Others like hunter biden and the whistleblower, and the people that the whistleblower talked to, for example are much likely much less likely to be called if not impossible. Adam schiff has close the door to that right now. He said something over the weekend like the committee will not be used as an arm of the president s desire to launch politically motivated investigations like he tried to do to ukraine. That is essentially what the republicans are trying to do by calling hunter biden and one of his business associates, and of course the whistleblower and the sources that the whistleblower spoke with. Host what parliamentary maneuvers or committee maneuvers to republicans have at their disposal to try and disrupt the hearing, or will they do that . Guest they have few given that the house passed the resolution outlining the procedures. It will be strictly operated by adam schiff, but i would not discount the ability by republicans to launch these procedural claims and points of order, and things like that like they do it other hearings. Maneuvers do you think adam schiff will make to try and control hearings . Guest just like any other Committee Chairman would do they have a gavel and they can basically shut anyone up whenever they want to. It could be difficult because there are a few firebreathing defenders of the president. Jim jordan is now on the committee, devin nunes is a strident defender. John radcliffe is a senior number. The president wants nominated once nominated him to be director of intelligence. Those of the people you should watch. Host who will we who will you watch on the democratic side . Guest congressman jim himes, the number two on the committee. He has proven himself to be an effective questioner, and of morrissey,r christer he is a new member, but democrats i have talked to have leaned on him during the depositions in terms of his questioning of witnesses. Those i think will be the focal points for democrats on the rankandfile side. Host let us get to calls. Paul in new york, a republican. Good morning to you. Morning, your thoughts on the public impeachment hearings. Host good morning. Caller good morning. Sir, you misled the cspan listeners in the beginning when wassaid that Rudy Giuliani running a shadow operation. Daylight,e in broad many people know about it. Second, the reason that mr. Schiff does not want the whistleblower to testify is that mr. Schiff does not want the American People to know who the leakers are inside the white house that contacted the whistleblower who has second and third hand information, because he knows that President Trump will terminate their employment. Thank you very much. Point, itthe first was a shadow Foreign Policy. We did not know the full extent what was happening behind the ies in both key have, k andiev, brussels, washington. Claiming a lotas of these things in broad daylight, but we do not know how much he was in contact with people in the state department and how much they were trying helping Rudy Giuliani. In that sense it was a shadow Foreign Policy because we did not know the full extent. Host will this committee or the public here from Rudy Giuliani . Guest very unlikely. He has already spurned commands for testimony. He was subpoenaed last month. He was one of the first witnesses that the committee had called. Rudy giuliani did not provide documents either. He briefly retained an attorney to help them out with these congressional inquiries. And wrote a letter to adam schiff saying that we will not comply. Do giuliani cut his lawyer loose because he did not Rudy Giuliani cut his loyal his lawyer loose because he did not need a lawyer any longer. Host mobile, alabama. Caller i agree with the gentleman that says this individual had said his bias when he brought this up about some shadow government with giuliani. That is bias. He just she is just repeating democratic talking points. He is bias. This guy is biased. The second thing that i had been islowing the second thing is that i blame the media for a lot of this because the media does not do any research on things. They just go and repeat talking points. For example on this whistleblower law, there is nothing in the law to say that a whistleblower has to remain anonymous. I researched it yesterday because i was watching you and whenever you bring that up, they always say you cannot do that. There is nothing in the law, i read the whole law yesterday, to say that a whistleblower must remain anonymous. Host let us take that point. Guest he is right about the protection laws, but what my credits have expressed concern about, and this is not me they just just not me saying this, they do not like the precedent of outing a whistleblower for political purposes. That is not what republicans are trying to do. Adam schiff did say that he wanted to hear from the whistleblower. Adam schiff came under fire for this because a member of his staff had been in contact with the whistleblower before the individual filed his complaint, and adam schiff was not truthful about his committees contact with the whistleblower. He has acknowledged that he could be more forthcoming about that. Secondly on the shadow Foreign Policy. Almost everything that we know about it we did not know before the process started. That is why i keep referring to it as a shadow Foreign Policy. That devin nunes asked adam schiff be deposed before they start the public hearings to talk about the role that he had. Do you think that adam schiff will address this at the top of this public hearing tomorrow . Guest i would expect that when and if republicans launch procedural motions he will have a response prepared. Adam schiff has talked about this in his various media appearances, and as i mentioned before he has acknowledged that he could have been more forthcoming about this, and republicans have used that to their advantage. Host tomorrow mornings hearing gets underway at 10 00 a. M. Eastern time as we talk about our coverage live. ,lso on our website, cspan. Org you can listen. If you are nowhere near a screen, if you are Walking Around and doing other things you can download the free radio app and listen on that. That is 10 00 a. M. Eastern time tomorrow morgan tomorrow morning. On friday the same lawmakers here from the former u. S. Ambassador to the ukraine at 11 00 a. M. Eastern time. Our coverage begins on cspan2 and cspan. Org as well as the free radio app. Yovanovitch on friday . Is there a reason for the order . Guest we do not know, because we do not know who will follow them. Marie yovanovitch, democrats are trying to make her a sympathetic a sympathetic figure because she is someone who would be Collateral Damage to this parallel track that Rudy Giuliani was trying to run. There was the one he was pushing and there was the one the u. S. Government was trying to push. Marie yovanovitch was painted by giuliani and donald trump as being disloyal. The president eventually ordered her recall in may. My credits will try and paint her as a victim democrats will try and painter as a victim and as Collateral Damage. Host what is the point, to impeachment . Have a lot of what they heard his testimony from state Department Officials about the roll up insta publicly support Marie Yovanovitch which is not directly related to the articles of impeachment. Democrats asdo for it gives them a sympathetic figure that they need to help bring the public along. I think that is something they recognize as they go into the public hearings. Host linda, detroit. Democratic caller. Caller thank you for taking my call. Jordan on the committee tomorrow . Host yes. 175 accused cases of molesting or being there or whatever. Committeehe be on any to let our children see someone like him . This is a disgrace. The republicans should be ashamed. If he was a democrat, they would have put him off the next day. Since they did not, i just do not believe he should be in front of the tv where our children have to watch him. He is disrespectful, he is a clown. Host i just want to clarify for those, because this is the cnn headline. Lawmaker accused of ignoring Sexual Misconduct. A new lawsuit accuses jim jordan of failing to take action against Sexual Misconduct when he was an assistant coach at Ohio University in the 90s. Let us go to tim, a republican in florida. Caller i hope you indulge me because your guest is being very dishonest intellectually. If we go back to everything and we start at the beginning, you hear these people talk about quid pro quo and that, but what is the difference between what biden did and whats trumpeted . You talk about foreign interference in our election, i heard himes. The representative from connecticut, and i have seen him on three different occasions, fox news sunday, meet the press, where he stated how his head is going to explode over what he heard. These people need to understand something, these politicians will tell you anything, i do not care if you are republican or democrat. Every time a politician opens their mouth figure that they will live. With adam schiff, ok . He has been very dishonest from the get go. Ok . He did not come forthright the fact that the whistleblower came to his staff, i do not care if it was his staff for him, and talk to him about how to file this. Ok . Most people employed in the United States of america, the Human Resource department for these corporations and companies have company handbooks. I am pretty sure, as big as our federal government is, that they have handbooks on how to handle Different Things in the government pertaining to things that they hear that they think might be out of bounds in the proper procedures to follow to go to it. I am pretty sure that there is not one that says you need to go to the house of representatives to this committee and tell them what is going on. So, a Quick Response to the last point. Whistleblowers actually do reach out to the congressional committees, house in house intelligence, son is senate intelligence, that very often happens. The Intelligence Committee gets two to three potential whistleblowers coming forward to them each month. Common actually a very occurrence in terms of whistleblowers as being congress for guidance before they actually file a complaint. As a gentleman also mentioned, chairman shift and knowledged that he was not completely forthright in his big from the beginning about this whistleblower. Host Andrew Desiderio with politico. We are going to roger, in virginia, a democratic caller. If you give me a couple minutes like you did the last dude. I am wondering why cspan, the one i am watching, not now, do not show the impeachment hearings like you did to benghazi. For six years the Republican Party made us wait before they would do anything about the economy, and then now they want us to bend over and kiss them on the heel . Host i am not following you . Cspan is not covering them . Not start until tomorrow . Caller they did show them. Host because the house was in session. We have a commitment to cover the house. We cover the senate. On cspan that is why the hearing is on cspan3. When they were showing the benghazi hearings, we know the house was in session sometimes. Itt we might have simulcast when the house went out for a brief amount of time. That is entirely possible. We do not control the house schedule. Understand. Not i would last i would like to ask why donald trump would not show his tax returns. Luis, rodrick sperry, virginia, a republican. Fredericksburg, virginia. A republican. Caller i think what we are witnessing is something that the founders were really worried about, and the one thing that they were extremely worried about was the tear any of the legislate tyranny of the legislature. They put fences around the president and they limited what the president could do, and his duties were clearly stated, and they did all of the right things, but they could not quite of a handle on the tyranny the legislature, and that is what we are looking at. It is the very thing that the founders were the most concerned about was this problem. Interested in watching it carefully and that is all i really have to say. Host who will you be watching during this Committee Hearing when it gets underway . Guest the first person is adam schiff to see how he answers these questions and devin nunes. Beyond that, the staff lawyers on the committee, Daniel Goldman, and daniel noble on the democratic side, and steve castor on the republican side. Usually when these are broadcast, American People know who these are. This will be a rare occurrence where the americans have no idea who these individuals are. Noble,re mr. Goldman, and castor have never quittance questioned witnesses in a public hearing, especially not one of this magnitude and one watched by millions of americans. Host will the public be allowed in the hearing room . Guest yes. The public will be allowed in. I would expect the line to start 5 00 a. M. 3 00 or but the public will be allowed in. This is a slightly larger room than we are used to with the house Intelligence Committee. Host about the press presence . Guest it will be a little bit expanded. I have my seat confirmed. They are giving one seat per news organization, print, radio, tv. Most of the major outlets if not all of them will be represented because it is a bigger room. They can ensure that that is the case. Host as far as cameras, let me inform the viewers that the room is big not good enough for every Single Network to have their own cameras in the room. What happens is that one Network Becomes a pool for everyone else. Tomorrow that will be cspan, typically at is. We will have seven of our cameras in the room, the networks will receive individual feeds and then they will decide how they direct those different feeds, what cuts they take, who they decide to show, etc. They will decide how this appears on their network as well as cspan. We will have our own director to do that. That is how it works in the Committee Room as far as what you see on the television and what network to watch. We hope it is cspan at 10 00 a. M. On cspan3. Let us go to jerry, new jersey, a democratic caller. Caller i am a registered democrat and i am extremely upset. The news media from the one trump was elected told us that we were going to impeach this president and do it from the beginning. Collusion, russia collusion. That did not come forth, but the mood but the news media said this was it and this would get him. I am afraid the hearings tomorrow, wait until you see what will happen with the democrats, it will not go well. Embarrassed and start correcting yourself, when do you do all that. Thank you. Democratsthere any talking to you about the dangers of moving forward with these impeachment hearings, the political fallout . Guest you will recall in the the up when to whistleblower complaint. They were focused on the mueller report, but they failed to sustain interest and the polls for impeachment lagged in the 30s. That is not politically time and politicallyot tenable no matter what the evidence. The polls have already moved into the democrats favor, they are hovering in the 50s and the democrats will need to increase that number is much as they can to medicate the potential political fallout. This process is fraught with so Many Political landmines especially with an election next year, not only the congressional elections, but also the president ial elections. There are more risks than rewards for democrats embarking in this process. Host will the witnesses reveal new information that has not already been leaked by the committee, or that we have read in the testimony and transcripts that have been released . Guest it is unlikely that we will learn pieces of information that is brandnew and we have not seen them in the transcripts. The witnesses tend to get into much more detail and more comfortable to do so behind closed doors. I would expect, especially with William Taylor and george kent, they have heard what the other witnesses have said. If there are things that they would like to respond to, clarify, or get more information about the other witnesses who succeeded them have said, i would expect that possibility and we could learn new information from that. It is unlikely that we will learn anything brandnew because the process for democrats is going to be essentially to put this entire saga on camera and help bring the American Public along, which is essential if you want to avoid political fallout. Host remind viewers what bill taylor testified on . First witnessthe to tie the president to a quid pro quo with ukraine. Republicans criticized his testimony because it said this is second or third hand because it is second or third hand information and it was transmitted to him from gordon sondland. Wece bill taylors testimony have heard individuals backup similar information with firsthand recollections like mr. Sondland. I would expect mr. Taylor to address that and push back against the criticism that the information was unreliable. Host what will be here from george kent . Guest george kent was the person who gave the most specifics about he perceived to be the president s desires. He said that it was conveyed to him, secondhand information, let the president wanted nothing less then the ukrainian president to go to a camera and a microphone and say three words, investigations, life biden, and clinton. That was the most detail about what the president specifically wanted, and george can sense that that was conveyed to him through with the individuals he talked to. Host we will go to new orleans, alan, independent. Caller i wanted to make two quick points. The first point is that all of the republicans complaining is thatift schiff they realized it was not supposed to be his job, it was soposed to be william barr, schiff had to take the actions. If william barr had done his job schiff would not be involved in this. The second point i want to make was at ukraine thing much deeper extortion because at the inauguration of the new president of ukraine, mike pence was supposed to go. Instead they told ukraine that they did not do what they wanted to do, so mike pence was not going. Instead they wanted to send rick perry, and then he went over gase and he did an oil and extortion scheme for his backers. Giuliani went over with his two guys who have been guided to set up the whole shakedown. It was bigger than trump just withholding military aid. The was one part of extortion, because then he did a gas and oil extortion. It is just wrong on all accounts. But trump has been a corrupt guy forever, so it is no surprise that the is that he is doing this with these people. Host what about the timeline that the viewer just gave . Your reaction. Guest the viewer is correct that william barr declined to do a large investigation or launch some sort of plastic prosecution because the matter was referred to the Justice Department by the cia general counsel as they viewed it as a matter that needed to be vesta gated. The viewer was saying that because the Justice Department declined, adam schiff had no choice to launch his own investigation. Host lancaster, california. Tom, a republican. Caller here is something. Andrew, have you seen joe bidens tape. Host he is talking about joe biden at the council of Foreign Relations where he talked about putting pressure on ukraine to corrupt two look into corruption in order to get the military aid. Guest this is something that all of the witnesses have testified to regard to the military aid, there is always a review period by the National Security council to certify that whether to make sure that foreign aid dollars are not going to corrupt interests in a foreign country. That is a normal process that has been described by these witnesses behind closed doors. What joe biden was doing at that council of Foreign Relations event was essentially saying that he was sort of telling people what the Defense Department and the state department do regardless, which is make sure to that there are no corrupt interests for u. S. Dollars are sent there. Host the previous caller asked you the difference between what joe biden was doing and what the president was doing withholding military aid . Guest what democrats would say that the president was pushing investigations that suited his political interest. With joe biden he was trying to root out corruption of a prosecutor that the entire western world wanted gone from ukraine because he was it was the unanimous European Union and of the United States that this person was no good and needed to be removed. That is what joe biden was conveying. Host quincy, michigan. Brent, democratic caller. What you just explained was the very point i wanted to bring up. This moralf hearing equivalence from the republicans with no pushback about what is the difference between what biden and trump did. Two wrongs do not make a right. Second, as your guest said, the imf,rence is that biden, in the United States wanted the prosecutor removed because he would not prosecute and investigate. The british had frozen funds, and they needed the collaboration of ukraine because they were going after him. Son worked for. U. S. Wanted him fired. The difference is huge. Even when biden had the opportunity to push back on 60 thates against this idea what biden did and what trump did were somehow the same, he did not do it. Host i am going to leave it there because we are running out of time. Do republicans feel that their messaging is working outside of washington . Guest i think they do. Legitimizeegy is to and minimize. One is to legitimize concerns about corruption in ukraine and to mention that u. S. Eight dollars are not going to a government that is corrupt. Might even work against the interests of the United States. The second part is to minimize the president s role in all of this. To the extent that Rudy Giuliani were doing things that might not have been above board, and republicans acknowledge, to argue that the president was not directing that were connected to it. They will try to minimize the president s direct involvement in this as they acknowledge, as some republicans have over the weekend. We said we saw a bunch of Top Republicans saying that it was not appropriate of the president to ask this. Host house about to gavel in working on veteranrelated bills improving veteran benefits and allow spouses or dependents of Service Members to get out of their telephone or cable contracts without being penalized and one bill dealing with the g. I. Bill education enefits and a bill sampson increasing access to medical care, a woman who disguised herself as a man. Votes expected after 6 30. Watch the house impeachment inquiry starting at 10 00 a. M. N cspan3 with testimony from William Taylor and Deputy Assistant secretary of state george kent and the procedures for the hearing posted on our website cspan. Org impeachment. Noo just waiting for the house to gavel in. First day back for members returning from a weeklong district work period, debating nine bills on improving veteran enefits and includes a measure that Service Members get out of telephone contracts. And dealing with g. I. Education benefits and bill named after a woman who served in the revolutionary war who disguised herself as a man and deals with medical care for women veterans. Watch the impeachment hearing at 10 00 a. M. Over on cspan 3 and hearing from the top u. S. Iplomat to ukraine and assistant deputy secretary of state. The speaker pro tempore the ha