Transcripts For CSPAN Canadian Party Leaders Debate 20240713

Part in a two hour in quebec. This was their only englishlanguage debate ahead of the election. An. Two weeks from tonight, canadiens will decide who to invite back to this place, hill ment of commons. The six main Party Leaders have been traveling the country. Promises tures an president tonight they will their and de construct ideas live. Leader Justin Trudeau, more. He goal is to give them your vote. The setting is one of canadas most remarkable institutions, in gatineau, quebec. Debate. The here are your leaders. [cheers and applause] welcome to the 2019 de bay. Im one of the moderators tonight. Made up mostly of undecided voters gathered here in the round so they are the heart of this important night. One note, however, we have asked hold back their applause throughout the debate so we can eep things moving, and just a couple more things to note before we get started, were tackle five major themes tonight, based on the question canadian voters want debated. There were more than 8,000, so the themes tonight reflect those questions. The leaders will answer them ased on an order selected in a random draw. We all want a meaningful debate tonight. Answers so the leaders have all agreed to respect the time they are tonight and believe me, well you a make sure they do. In first theme is leadership canada, and the world, and our first question is from reagan in the audience. Reagan . Good evening, leaders. Sorry. The canadiens have felt implication of a divided world 2015, from u. S. Protectionism to brexit, to our tensions with china. As Prime Minister, how would you effectively defend both the interests and values of world stage . The thank you. Reagan, thank you for that. First to u, youre respond tonight. You have 45 seconds. Thank you, reagan for being thank you all d for joining us in this important moment to talk about the future and compare and contrast the various plans we have. We know we live in a very time right now from protectionism to fearbased olitics to the transformative technological change people are facing. We need to make sure canadiens to equipped to be able succeed in an uncertain world and thats why over the past our years weve invested directly in canadiens. Optimistic le be about their future and give them the tools to succeed. The environment is a massive and pressing challenge and building a stronger economy for the future means protecting the environment for the future as well. Are the things well be talking about tonight. For. Trudeau, thank you that. Mr. Bernier, your opportunity to respond. Thank you. Were the Peoples Party and we put canada first. He other leaders on the stage are globalists. They send your money to buy a u. N. Security council, and also, they are giving your money to other fight Climate Change in asia, and in africa. U. N. Is a dysfunctional be nization, and we must able to fight for our country. Only party re the that will have foreign policies thats based on our security and prosperity for our country. Mr. Bernier, thank you. He next opportunity for mr. Singh to respond. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for your question, reagan. I know its tough to ask questions in front of a big crowd. Thanks for doing that and thanks and taking oining part in this discussion. To me leadership is about who fighting for, the choices you make and whether youre doing whats right for the people. To her it comes International Affairs, standing p to trump, making sure we fight to build a better trade agreement that puts canadiens first. For me the question comes down the courage to stand up to the powerful and wealthy interests, corporations having too much influence over canada, and ive seen so far in ottawa, whether conservative r governments, they havent had the courage to stand up and fight for people. Were different. For the rich and powerful. I work for people. Mr. Singh, thank you, mr. Cheer, your opportunity to respond. Thank you very much. Of course, ill always stand up canadiens nd interest and promote free trade nd defend our interests all around the world. Trudeau only pretends to stand up for canada. Pretending. Ood at he cant even remember how many times he put a black face on because the fact is, hes always wearing a mask. He puts on a reconciliation mask and then fires the attorney general, the first one of indigenous background. And ts on a feminist mask then fires too Strong Female m. P. s for not going along with his corruption. On a middle class mask raises taxes on middle class canadiens. Mr. Trudeau, youre a phony, raud and you do not deserve to govern this country. There will be an opportunity in the opening debate to defend each other. First, if you would like to answer reagans question. Answer but i e to want to start by acknowledging traditional the territory canadas role in the world is an amiable one. Historic reputation for being an honest broker, for being a country that stands up litcismultilateralism. Future in the world is built on ending poverty and of uraging the education women and girls. A cornerstone. On top of that we need to world trade he organization and make it an organization that promotes climate action. Trade and orld climate organization. We need to support the rule of law and human rights around the because we are world leaders. Thank you, again, question, how would you as Prime Minister canada yen interests and this changing world stage. Blanchet. First, good evening, everybody, thank you for having me. Ship or showing not rship sometimes means making mistakes. Chief Financial Officer may have been a big mistake for farmers [inaudible] beef, might have paid the price. Facing a powerful foe like china, you dont try to only iceps if you have tiny biceps, and this is something that has to be learned. We would support somebody with real leadership, not making mistakes. Mr. Blanchet, thank you for that, continuing with our theme and the p in canada world its now my opportunity to ask a question on behalf of canadiens. A leader chosen by a random draw, so this question is party leader maxine bernier. Every other leader will then debate opportunity to him, but mr. Bernier, you like to tweet. Some of your tweets back to you. Diversity in canada a cult and extreme municipalities culturallism. Used the words ghetto and tribes to describe newcomers you say bring distrust and violence. On greta this unberg, the 16yearold climate activist, clearly, mentally unstable. Are these the words of someone character and integrity o lead all canadiens and represent us on the world stage . The question, you must tell canadiens if you want to be the leader of this what im saying about extreme its not the way to build this country. A diverse ountry is country and we must be proud of hat but we dont need legislation like the multiculturalism act to tell us who we are. E are a diverse country and were proud of that. What im saying, because its in ine with the immigration, im saying that we must have fewer immigrants in this country, to sure, for these people it time to t country but have a discussion about the immigration. Our country to be like other countries in europe they have used difficulty to integrate their immigrants and empower canadiens and thats love this country and im the only leader on the stage who wants to have a discussion about the level of immigration. Were definitely going to have a lively debate tonight because now its mr. Singhs to debate mr. Bernier on that very question. He temperament required for a good leader. I mean, mr. Bernier, after hearing what was just said, you said, im messed up, because those are pretty horrible tweets you made and for come as no surprise, i believe a leader is not someone who tries to divide people or to pit people against other. A true leader is someone who ries to form bridges, bringing people together. The leader works for people who need help. Not helping those at the very with ich weve seen governments in ottawa for far too long. They have been working to make for the er multibillionaires. They give massive Corporate Tax cuts. Dollars go towards them. Offshore havens this is not the way to build a country. To build the future is to ] talking over each other] everybody. Hurt wealth and growth in this country you must believe in people. Give back their money into their own pockets. Im just going to remind everyone this is a debate and viewers do have a difficult time even hearing anything if youre talking over each other, a portion where the leaders can debate mr. Bernier, the opportunity of mr. Scheer to debate mr. Bernier on the question of leadership. Right. Re values. Ada yen women. N men and youre right. We want people to come and ian values. Anada yen law. Ity before the you have changed you have changed from someone who used to used to believe in immigration let mr. Scheer have the question. To believe in an immigration system that was fair, orderly and compassionate nd now you are making your policy based on trying to get likes and retweets in the twitter. Parts of we can be a country that elebrates the contribution all around the world. Its important i dont want to celebrate. You can do that. You can do that. Celebrate who we are and were not doing that. That is the difference and myself bernier on this issue. We believe, we believe in making canada stronger by welcoming people, adding it to our country the things that has made us great as a hags. Hear from ms. May and bernier. I understand the question. It was also about the leadership. Ics of let me say up front leadership is service. The things that make a good Prime Minister is recognizing were public servants. We havent won some kind of lotto. To lord it over everybody. Were here as your employee. I had a little quibble with our ntroduction, who will get invited back . Its not the invited to go to parliament. Work, and to up to be a public service, i believe in service leadership. Find the things that bernier has said to be completely appalling and he that i feel that way about the things he says in the house. We used to sit together. To put my head in my hands because it was so horrific. I dontreciate you, but share your policies. I dont share your socialist olicies, because, you know, we wont be able to create any wealth with your policies. Tough same kind of policies in socialist countries like venezuela. Wealth. Nt create you must admit that. 60 billion. Thats not responsible. Supporting immigration is we need for this economy. Im supporting immigration. Im supporting pro immigration and so are we. Thank you, ms. May. Now its mr. Blanchets opportunity. How many seconds will you me before we jump in. Somebody invoking the truth be somebody denying Climate Change. N the views of socialism, it seems to come a little bit too easy. Waited 10 seconds. [laughter] we were worried they wouldnt attention. Its not that much a matter of number. We invest in it to have those persons welcomed as well in canada as they are in quebec, with our desire for them to share our language, to share values, and if we do have enough resources invested in that, this is workable. And you do not do it by saying that they the message are not welcomed. Here in canada or quebec. Everybody is welcomed in this country. 49 of our population believe that we must have fewer immigrants. Racists, they are not radical. What youre saying, in line with population that im supposed to be a radical . No. We have the right in this to debate ideas and thats what im doing. For immigrants also . Were all immigrants. Absolutely and were proud. Were proud canadiens. Okay. On this inal debate subject goes to mr. Trudeau to whether bernier. Again, temperament required for good leader. I think its important to recognize that were in a world ight now where these discussions, this polarization, this fear of the other, has for e easy currency politicians who do want to strike up uncertainty in eoples hearts and lift those anxieties and try to get people to vote against things. Unfortunately mr. Bernier on is playing that role of trying to make people more about the migrations that are happening in the world and the opportunities around lobalization, and our ability to continue to redefine every single day what it is to be anada yen, what it means to be canada yen. Yes, it will evolve. It will transform itself as we leadership. As we move forward. And you. Lways want to celebrate you always want to celebrate diversity. Must t celebrate, we celebrate who we are. And im a proud canadian like you. This country uild together and we want this country to be like that in 25 years. Love this country and its because i want to have a discussion about immigration me radical. Only 6 to say publicly what mr. Privately. Ks only 6 of canadiens want immigration. Only 6 , so when you dont want to have a debate about that line with the population. Lets have an honest debate on that subject. Okay. That we want to hear from another canada yen tonight. There are obviously so many of rs to the issue leadership. So this question is coming from usan fernando who asks her question from calgary. Again. Fernando in san calgary. Ore often than not, provincial governments and federal government are on different wave lengths. No matter what the Political Party. Cooperation is key when it comes o issues of pensions, governments and federal government are workers rights, to education, and healthcare. Minister, how would you demonstrate strong leadership when working with the providence territories . Okay, thank you, Susan Fernando from calgary. Again, based on a random draw first es to mr. Bernier and then every other leader will have the chance to answer. Mr. Bernier. All, i will respect the constitution. I will respect provinces, and very important. And i wont interfere with provincial jurisdiction. I wont interfere in healthcare because its a provincial jurisdiction. Cannot in ottawa solve the challenges for healthcare, do, we can can transfer the money to the provinces and what i will do, i provinces be able to deal with healthcare and education. Thats our constitution. Transfer the gsd so provinces will have the money to and they will be able to insert to your challenges. Thank you, mr. Bernier. Its mr. Singhs opportunity to respond. Thank you, susan for the question. Really, shes touched on a lot concerns that canadiens have. Things are getting harder than ever before and she touched on a issues, pensions and healthcare. I want to single in on healthcare. To me, thats one of the biggest hear about when i meet with people across this country. When i think of the people that i meet, the young boy that i met, that has a chronic illness and has to pay for his his amily has to pay for medication, injections and blood work. He told me hes not worried about the illness but hes about being a burden to his mom and dad. Is hat person, mr. Trudeau saying youre not worth big pharma care. Big pharmaceutical companies are more important. To say to that young person with a new democratic government, would you use your healthcare, not your credit card for medication. Mr. Singh, thank you, mr. Scheer, your opportunity. Conservatives have always recognized the importance of provinces. H we respect provincial jurisdiction but we also understand it will take federal to get things un, like interprovincial free trade. Trudeau has failed to accomplish. One thing i can promise, they a t have to take conservative government to court to fight things like the carbon tax. R. Trudeau has imposed his carbon tax on province that is dont want to go along with his high cost scheme. Increasing tax is the cost of Everyday Essentials like gasoline, home heating, and groceries and it will only go up after the next election. Hes refusing to tell canadiens how high his carbon tax will go hes reelected. The conservative government nder my leadership will scrap the carbon tax. Mr. Scheer, thank you. Ms. May. Thanks for the question. Very important. Cooperation is in our dna, none of the problems we solve are we face, are going to be solved arguing and fighting with each other whether its within different in our parties, or between the federal government, the provinces and the territories. Proposing a e reinvigorated form of federalism. Modeled after whats been done australia, we want a council of canadian governments. Provincial, nment, and territory, municipal and the local levels of government need be seated at the table, so, too, indigenous nations, around same table, finding Common Ground. On urgent issues like healthcare. Emergency, and working together in the public interest. You. Ay, ms. May, thank mr. Blanchet, your opportunity. Wellank you, if i remember i saw a study today saying that about mpaign is not federal issues but about provincial and quebec issues. This is not a surprise. Cooperation with tovinces or quebec, you need respect the jurisdiction and something that you have to stop doing and this is one of the government of is, ec on many issues, giving a hand to our money by government and giving back to with us conditions. Given to provinces in their own fields of jurisdiction hould be given back without conditions. Mr. Blanchet, thank you, mr. Trudeau. 10 years of government he chose to stop meeting with premiers in first ministers meetings. Restarted that when we took office in 2015 we were able to strengthen the for a generation. We were able to sign Historic Health accords with 345ssive home care and mental health. We were able to invest in infrastructure and housing and across the it country and we continues to work ith provinces on renegotiating nafta, that had everyone playing a one team canada. But yes with certain provinces now were fighting on the defining issue of our time because jis son and doug ford premiers conservative dont want to do anything on Climate Change and we need a ottawa that will fight them and fight for canadiens on Climate Change and what were going to do. We will have the open debate shortly. P very were going to switch gears now and give a leader a chance to other leader a question on any topic they choose, again, this was chosen by random draw. The first leader this time is jagmeet singh. Thank you. You talk often about how conservatives cut taxi for the wealthy. I agree with you and ive heard you say this often. Question is you criticize mr. Harper on his climate targets them, u fail to achieve you criticize mr. Happier on the fact that he cut healthcare funding, you also cut them. You criticize mr. Harper and conservatives for giving corporations but you gave 14 billion more the question is, why do you keep who ng down the people voted for you . The first thing we did was class es for the middle and raised them for the weatheriest 1 . Doing10 years with harper nothing in just four years weve reached 3 4 of the way to our 030 targets which well meet and surpass. But we know thats not enough. Were going to continue to do more. Planting two billion trees, like moving forward on giving can up front so people retro fit their homes, on making canada net zero by 2050. Know how important it is to move forward and right now, mr. Scheer has promised that the he would do is rip up the only real plan to fight Climate Change that canada has had. These are the things were going to be moving forward on because us to. Ns expect we lifted 900,000 people outfit poverty with the canada child benefit and things, mr. Singh, mpv voted against. Well continue to invest in families because its creating out of helping people poverty because thats what canadiens expect. Thats what well continue to do. The leaders have an opportunity to have the open debate on this question. Four minutes, mr. Singh, you may begin. Thank you, i want to say, we look at the track record of this government in. 2017, the wealthiest actually paid less in tax and gained more than wealth and when biggest t one of the problems we face as a country is havens. E tax not only did your tax minister use them but also the treasurer treasury board. How can you tell canadiens we fun have the money to things like universal pharma care when you talk to cabinet who dont pay their fair share. Singh you might rememb we had a huge fight the wealthiest canadiens and conservatives where we that mr. Hoop holes scheer is going to reopen and give tax breaks worth 50,000 to canadiens. Est were going to keep moving forward. Trudeau, please give mr. Scheer an opportunity to respond. Business l small owners tax cheats. You call entrepreneurs who have reated jobs and opportunities in our society tax cheats, all trust le protecting your funds and those of your billionaire friends. What were doing is lowering tax canadiens. We have a universal tax cut that will lower the first bracket save 850 for the average income couple. Mr. Bernier would you like to interject. What they are doing, they are spending. Spending, tax cuts are not spending. Everybody is spending more money. You cannot create wealth when the government is spending money. Have the right policies. We want the private sector to be able to invest. Private sector you want to balance the budget. One would balance the budget. Would you like an opportunity at the beginning of this mr. Singh pointed out that mr. Trudeau has not changed the climate targets from those mr. Harper. It needs to be said very clearly, and im so believe ted, because i the liberals in 2015, that they ould go with sciencebased, evidencebased policies. But they are not as advertised. Losing the rget for fight against Climate Change science, t ignores the it ignores the advice. On this stage tonight the green arty is the only party with a plan mission possible, that will actually protect it will destroy the economy. It will destroy the economy. True. Ts not in line with science find . Ich science did you the ibcc report, it says keep degrees, itsn 1. 5 very important. I love to say it . You do. Its very important. Its about our childrens survival that i want to protect. To take on the Climate Crisis require the surge to fight the polluters. It will take the courage to massive to the lobbyists that mr. Trudeau has caved into and the reason why we continue to pay subsidies to the fossil fuel sector. E will immediately end those subsidies. The experts are agreed that needs to do isan to be ambitious and doable, and of the plans that are forwarded on this stage there is only one plan that the experts have qualified as both ambitious and and thats the plan that begun to put into place. We can export clean technology. Thats all the time we have for the open debate. Opportunity. N got to jump right in. Hank you all very much for the inclusion of that segment. Hello. The theme of this segment is polarization, human rights, and immigration. 21. Nt to ask about bill campaign is about courage, but you have not found the courage to fight quebecs discriminatory law. Yourselfeople like from wearing religious symbols. Arent you and the other leaders of the stage putting your own partys interest in quebec ahead of your principles and the equal rights of all citizens . You have a minute to answer. Sure. It is probably pretty obvious to folks that i am against bill 21. Its something that hurts me and makes me feel sad. I think about it all the time. I grew up being told i could not do the things i love. I think people in canada grow up being told they cannot achieve more because of their identity. Headscarf, you cannot be a teacher. If you wear a yarmulke, you cannot be a judge. When i go to quebec, i say hey, i am here. I am someone who believes in fighting for the climate and for the rights of women to choose and have more access to abortion services. I believe firmly in making sure we tackle the powerful corporations influencing allowing, ord not challenging our services to lift up people. I just want to start by congratulating you on how you have handled so many issues around race. As someone who has been the victim of these types of racist i think youpast, have handled that with a lot of class, especially some of the attacks that have come out in this campaign. We do recognize that the conservative party always stands for freedom, equality, and individual liberty. We will not pursue this type of bill. I want to touch on the theme of polarization. Another thing happening in our country right now is people are being pitted against each other. People who cannot find a home, cannot afford bills, can i get the health care or medication they need are being told its the fault of new canadians or a 12yearold refugee, or an immigrant breaking his back working 12 hours a day. Thats why its so important for us to tackle economic insecurity. Ms. May, you may debate mr. Singh on this question. I want to echo andrews comments. , whatk what he has done we all have done throughout this election campaign, confronting issues of privilege, and anyone with whites in has privilege white skin has privilege. The green Party Opposes bill 21. And then we are left with the question of what is the best way for the federal government to protect human rights within quebec. Convectors are fighting this out within quebec. Quebec groups people in quebec are fighting this out within quebec. Groups are going to court. And we are frankly looking at a situation where we dont want to statething to hurt that within quebec. While bill 21 is of course , we have to tackle the powerful corporations not paying their fair share. Thats part of the reason people are not able to earn a good living, find housing or the medication they need because those at the top are not paying their fair share. Ms. May, thank you. Your turn. I give you more than 10 seconds. You are nice. The only people supporting bill to anyone are members of parliament in quebec. As far as the polarization issue, thats the problem. And tonight, it will be quite everybody here has. Roblems with the very idea they will tolerate it. But quebec does not need to be told what to do or what not to do. This is a bill that says to people that because of the way they look, they cannot do their job. Thats not true. You know this is not true. Instead, what we should be doing is protecting womens rights. Build up more protections for the lgbt community. Lets build up more protection in society. Ok, thank you. Mr. Trudeau. Spokensingh, you have very eloquently about discrimination and fought against it all your life. Surprising tos so have heard you say, like every other leader on this stage, the federal government under you would not intervene in bill 21. Its a question where yes, it is awkward politically. It is very popular. But im the only one on this stage who has said yes, the federal government might have to intervene because the federal government needs to protect minority rights, needs to protect language rights, needs to protect womens rights. Say you would possibly intervene. Every single day of my life is fighting a bill like this. Every single day of my life i channel the frustrations of people who feel that as well, that many people across the country are told they cant achieve what they want because of how they look. But leave the door open for challenging it. Bill 21, we wont interfere at the federal level. But also, you said you want me to be on the stage to have a discussion with you. Its not about diversity of opinion. I realize you have another opinion about immigration. You must try to have everybody on your side. But are you in favor of free speech only when people are saying what you want to hear . After a couple of minutes of this debate tonight, i think people can clearly see why i didnt think you should deserve a platform. The comments you are making, the kind of things you say, its one thing to say you disagree with somebody, fine. But when you cite hatred or you ask about a young girls mental stability, it shows a lack of judgment that doesnt deserve a platform. I am happy to challenge you on that because your ideas are hurtful to canada. I will always work to build unity and bring people together. Considering in keeping with our theme of polarization, we have people watching across the country. Including in british columbia. Our next question comes from page in vancouver. Go ahead. I live in british columbia. My question is along the lines of polarization. More divided feels than ever before. If diversity is a strength but divisions weakness, how will your leadership seek to provide a unified vision for canada and how will you ensure that all voices across the political spectrum are heard and considered . Thank you. You so much for the question. I appreciate getting the chance to chat with you and thank you for tuning in. Inre are a lot of divisions our country and they are growing. I point to a lot of reasons for it. Theres radicalization, theres hateful discourse, theres a climate that allows people to be emboldened. People are being exploited and hating one another is because they are worried about the future. A lot of people cannot get the basic things they need like housing and health care. It is neglect by the federal government that has brought us to this position. We tackle polarization by making sure people get the things they need thank you. People, from all over the world to take refuge here, to build a life here. Its about freedom. That is the Common Ground for everyone who comes here, no matter what part of the world. Its important we promote that and ensure that people who come here embrace that aspect of what makes the country so great. Whats very dangerous is when you have a Prime Minister like Justin Trudeau who uses issues like racism and hateful language to demonize anyone who disagrees with him, calling people on canadian forn disagreeing with his supporter. We need the kind of leadership that lifts people up, people feel make like politics is discussing and they would rather not look at it. We need agency and power to Work Together. Its all hands on deck. We are going to need everybody. To have the kind of democracy that really reflects everyone, we need fair voting. Each Political Party as rival warrior camps even when the elections are over. We need to thank you, ms. May. I believe democracy grows in a formation. People byating for voting for people who look like you is at best dishonest. That ini remind you the same phrase was said by michael ygnacio us ygnacio us. In 2015, the same phrase was said. Seconds for each leader. It said 45 on mine. Sorry. It has become 40. It is important to recognize that yes, we are on a time of importanton and its to talk about how we are moving forward. The reality is canadians agree on those things. The world we want them to see that the world is Getting Better for them. We want them to be able to pay for their futures, retiring comfort. We want to create opportunities for our neighbors as well. This is something that binds canadians around the country. The politics of fear and division that continues to dominate underlies what we are actually doing together. Thank you very much. Speaking of immigration, canada received more immigrants per capita than any other western country, three times higher than the u. S. , so we must have a discussion about that. Its the equivalent of one nova scotia every three years, the population of nova scotia every three years here in canada. I am for a system of immigration sensible immigration. We must have more economic immigrants for our country. Thank you very much. We are moving on to a oneonone format followed by open debate. May pick the question of your choice and ask anybody of your choosing. Mr. Trudeau, you broke ethics laws twice. You interfered in an ongoing criminal court proceeding. You shut down parliamentary investigations into your corruption and you fired the only two people in your caucus who were speaking out against what you are trying to do just for telling the truth. Tell me, when did you decide that the rules dont apply to you . The role of Prime Minister is to stand up for canadian jobs, stand up for the public interest, and that is what i have done and will continue to do every single day. The way i work for canadians is around investing in them, including tax breaks that help year aking 400,000 a is investing in them. You are offering tax breaks that help people making 400,000 a year more than people who are making 40,000 a year. Of course, we dont know your full plan because you havent released your full platform yet, which i think is disrespectful to every canadian. You have a chance to rebut. Our platform came out weeks. Go we worked with the Parliamentary Budget Officer. A different vision than years because we are choosing to invest in people. You are choosing to deliver cuts to services and cuts to taxes for the wealthy. You are making things up again. You are making announcements without any details or any numbers. You voted you looked canadians in the eye and use of the allegations in the global mail were full. You said you never put pressure on her. We know those were lies. The responsibility of any Prime Ministers to stand up for jobs. [crosstalk] what we have here is mr. Trudeau and mr. Scheer arguing about who is the voice for canada. We have to start arguing sense. We have to talk about what will be best for canada. Small tax cuts are not going to help a family struggling with childcare, which costs thousands of dollars a month, medication, of dollars hundreds a month. We are going to save families money by investing in pharma care for all, which will save families over 500 a month. We are going to invest in childcare. Which will save families thousands of dollars a month. And we are going to make sure those families that earn less than 70,000 get dental care. Where will you find the money . We are going to ask the wealthiest canadians. We are going to ask them to pay a little bit more. Yes. We think they should. When the Parliamentary Budget Office reviews them, guess what they find . Fromthey go for revenue the wealthiest, they will hire lawyers and avoid paying that tax. The green party is proposing to spend a lot of money, yes on pharma care, yes on childcare, abolishing tuition. They will continue to hire lawyers and evade their taxes. I think thats shocking. I think we need to say to people, this is the most viewed funk, blessed country on earth, blessedst beautiful country on earth and you have an obligation to pay your taxes. They seem to remember that seem to remember that mr. Share i want to speak for 3000, 4000 people that did nothing wrong. What you are doing is playing the old card. You are trading the idea in quebec that 3400 people have done nothing wrong, now the value of the share going down. Its never an excuse for a Prime Minister to interfere in an independent we do not want to live in a country where someone can abuse the power of their office to reward their friends and punish their enemies. Add that nont to one is above the law. Im the only one whos said that. Thats not true. Only thing onhe which we agree that no corporation is above the law. What a wonderful topic. That wraps up this topic and this segment. Thank you very much. Delacorte. N the next theme is indigenous issues. We are going to be given the ,egment, also chosen by random with a question to conservative leader andrew scheer. Conservative the government would focus on practical things in its relationship with canadas Indigenous People. Promisedrsue your Energy Corridor or, practically speaking, how do you consult, obtain consentd from Indigenous People, and what will you do when your plans come into conflict with indigenous rights . Thank you very much. As someone who has 12 indigenous reserve, i understand the importance of indigenous participation in the economy. That is the key. That we willaid is take into account indigenous concerns by ensuring that the cabinet is responsible for indigenous populations. Unlike the court ruling that found the current government pipeline, we will ensure it is dynamic, more than just taking a box of concerns, but actually addressing those concerns. We have to get to a place in this country where concerns are heard and addressed, but also that we find a path to get things built. I am appalled by the fact that mr. Share has forgot mr. Share has forgotten there is a duty to consult. Declarationations on the rights of Indigenous People needs to come with the force of law in this country. I know you oppose it because of the debate we had at mclean. It does not oil down to we will consult with Business People boiled down to we will consult with Business People until we get them to agree with us. There are territorial rights that are inherent. About the dozens and dozens of indigenous communities who want these projects . Why are you prepared to fight it in court just as mr. Trudeau found as fact that our government committed acts that were reckless and willful in the violation of rights of indigenous children. Thereive up to that who wantenous people these projects to go ahead because they know that is the key to prosperity. It is your turn. You say that you want to sspect provinces in quebec jurisdictions. But when it comes to this fear thet idea of going into territories and provinces and saying the constitution says i have the right to go through provinces, through quebec without approval. May i remind you that the Prime Minister does not want it. Thats completely false. About addressing Environmental Concerns upfront so there can be a geographic space. We are talking about the Regulatory Environment around it. You know as well as i do that people in quebec. Quebec purchase a huge amount of energy from the United States. I believe they should get it here. I have made my choice. And quebec will make its. I remind you that this is about how we will respect indigenous rights. We all remember Stephen Harper, who did not respect indigenous rights or Indigenous People. This is the same plan that failed Indigenous People and communities. They failed to get Important Energy projects tilt. We need to move forward in a way that respects Indigenous People. It needs to be grounded in the u. N. Declaration that you have consistently blocked. The head of the assembly of First Nations has said no government has done more for Indigenous People than this government. I have nothing to learn from mr. Trudeau who fired the first indigenous attorney general for doing her job. Want to talk about getting pipelines built, you canceled two pipelines, and the one you bought, you cannot build. I accept that i am going to be attacked for not building pipelines, for building pipelines. Mr. Scheer, you said you are ready for building pipelines across the country by the private sector. At the same time, you said you are ready to buy oil and gas from canada. There is notime, social acceptability for a pipeline in quebec. What would be your position on that . Consultation, if we dont will havereement, we to use section 92 tend to build the pipeline. When you do that, the government will have the full authority to approve the pipeline. Courage toave the build pipelines for the unity and prosperity of our country. Thats not the case at all. I have always said the federal government must stand up for federal jurisdiction. When you have the best idea, i am convinced i can get support for this project. Better to take energy from western canada than tanker after tanker of oil coming from Donald Trumps economy. I support a project that will allow us to share ideological power with other provinces. The human rights tribunal of canada found that mr. Trudeaus government willfully and againstly discriminated kids who were not getting equal funding. There was a landmark decision that said they should get equal funding. Finally, some justice. And mr. Trudeau and his government are going to kill that decision. Going to drag indigenous kids to court. Thats just wrong. How could someone do that . This decision will have huge ramifications for how the federal government provides services to indigenous communities. Its a large settlement amount, and i believe when you are dealing with these types of important Public Policy issues, its legitimate to say i disagree of course. But i want to talk about the issue. We are talking about indigenous issues. Impacted bymmunity mercury poisoning. Adigenous activists went to private fundraiser where mr. Trudeau mocked that indigenous activist. What kind of Prime Minister does that . One that doesnt have to be reelected. Thats time for this section of debate. The open debate is over but we continue on our theme of indigenous fair. We have a question from the audience. Go ahead. Good evening. My question is, if elected, how work with government provinces and territories on indigenous rights, specifically noting the United Nations declaration, the truth and reconciliation commissions call to action and the call for justice for missing and murdered Indigenous Women and girls . The leaders will all have a chance to answer. There is a lot there for 40 seconds. There are many areas in the missing Indigenous Women report that conservatives have been calling for for quite a while, including combating human trafficking, something that is very important. Also, we support indigenous , language is at risk of being lost. When we are talking about the u. N. Declaration on the rights of indigenous talk about free, prior and informed consent, that leaves a great deal of uncertainty about what that means. There are large numbers of indigenous communities that want to the Energy Projects to succeed and we need certainty and clarity arod that. All right. We will now go to another candidate. Natosha, that is an extremely important question and greens are united, we will honor the rights of Indigenous People. It must be brought into law in this country, and the existing web of laws and regulations, which were properly described as constituting structural violence, must be reviewed and brought up to the standard of the u. N. Declaration. We must bring in the recommendations of the inquiry into missing Indigenous Women and girls and the commission. Is not a shortterm project. It is on us settler canadians to bring justice. We also support the declaration of the United Nations on the rights of Indigenous People. I stand with and people from the First Nations they are nations. As well as candidate is a nation and quebec is a nation. A nation does not put its heritage inguage, the end of another nation. What they ask for, and they have to ask because we are no better than they are to represent themselves, all those reports and inquiries and declaration them. Something real for thank you for the question. We have moved forward on reconciliation in ways the previous government has been able to i admit there is more to do. We have water advisories and we are lifting 50 more. We are continuing to invest in communities on the issue of child and family services. We recognize the tribunals ruling that says children need to be compensated and we will be compensating them. Weve also moved forward to end the tragedies by moving forward on legislation that keeps kids in care in their communities with their language, with their culture. We also want to move forward with grassy narrows, on a treatment center, and invest in what they need in the treatment center. Ready toer leader is build a new relationship with our First Nations. They all support the status quo. But the system is broken. We still have extreme poverty on reserves. We need broad reform and we are the only party that will try to implement this on reserves and establish a new relationship based on selfreliance for these communities. We need to build a new system, working with them, but thats not what they want, because we cannot fix the system right now if we dont do the reforms. Thank you for your question. Really it is a matter of respect and dignity. All of the issues you raised come down to the basic question of respect and dignity. One of the first things we would do, we would not take indigenous kids to court and talent a decision that says they were willfully and recklessly discriminated against. We would not do that. We would immediately address issues of justice. That means implementing all of the recommendations from the report that is so powerful and have a guideline toward solving the problem. I dont accept any excuses for what we cant have clean drinking water. Make sure we implement clean, good hollow good quality housing and services. We can do these things. Now we have time for another leader to Leader Debate on any topic. Leading this one off will be the green party leader. You have one minute. My question is to Justin Trudeau. This fracturem discussion on indigenous issues, lets face it, the a simile is a First Nations are telling us their number one concern is the climate emergency. We need to focus on real solutions. It is not good enough to have better rhetoric, and with all respect, its not about rhetoric. Its about a target grounded in science. Notreductions by 2030, 2038. Will you join with all of us in an inner cabinet that gets rid of the partisanship . Recognize that targets are important and we will be surpassing the targets we inherited. Targets are not a plan. We have a real plan that has delivered over the past four years, on our way to banning singleuse plastics, putting a price on pollution, right across the country in a way that returns money to canadians. Unlike what mr. Scheer is saying, it makes 80 of canadians better off on the price of pollution than they will be when he rips up the Climate Change if he were to form a government after the selection. We will continue to do the things that need to be done and bring canadians along with it. Our plan is realistic and ambitious and doable. Thats what canadians need because the danger of not acting on the environment is tremendous. The danger of not having a plan for our future, the environment come or the economy, is going to be borne by our kids. You may begin open debate. Three minutes and 45 seconds. The science is clear, your target is a commitment to failure. Thats why it is doable and achievable, it doesnt do what we must do. We must go off fossil fuels as quickly as possible. You bought a pipeline. You cannot be a climate leader and spend 1013,000,000,000 dollars more on a project that blows through our carbon budget. This is not a plan. We have a plan. It is not a plan. You need action that is going to , fighty make us better Climate Change, protecting varmint, and build a stronger economy for our kids. We have done more over the past four years than any government in the history of canada. There is much more to do. [crosstalk] over the past four years, we have delivered on it. Getting a one story letter doesnt do it. Just because you Say Something over and over again doesnt make it true. [crosstalk] you have given a massive exemption to the countrys largest polluters and your plan is already [indiscernible] [crosstalk] [crosstalk] one at a time. Directly to say this to canadians, you do not need to choose between mr. Delay and mr. Deny. There is another option. We are committed to a plan to take on the biggest polluters, the powerful interests, because thats what we need to do to build a better future. What is your target . It will be taking on the powerful. But you need to have a plan rooted in a target that saves our kids future. [crosstalk] people must know that mr. Scheer and mr. True, you are the same on mr. Trudeau, you are the same on Climate Change. [crosstalk] you want to impose also [indiscernible] you are the same on Climate Change [indiscernible] you and i have to find some Common Ground. Be onont think it will quebec and that you are supporting a project that is blowing through the carbon target and threatens the st. Lawrence river. This is what i have in mind and i provided answers to that. I think goals should be bound to almost nothing. Ideayou think about this of [indiscernible]. Ased on gas emissions those who are under get the money. Is workwe have to do together, with all due respect, thats the question i asked. Are any of you prepared to accept the notion of changing status quo decisionmaking so we form [indiscernible] [crosstalk] ladies and gentlemen, thats all the time we have, that concludes this round. Thank you very much. Onto the next one. Hello, i am from global news and i am moderating segment unaffordability and in some security. You have all been very vigorous in your debate, some of your comments have gone long so we have to trim a bit in terms of time but we will make sure we keep the trims fair and equal. I have a question to you, canadians are carrying 2 trillion of debt, meaning the average canadian owes about 1. 79 for every dollar they earn after taxes. It has never been this high. You have made a bold promise to balance the federal budget in five years. How do you do that without causing more financial pain for canadians and putting people further into debt . And what is the single biggest thing in your platform that will reduce Household Debt . Thank you for the question. Im very pleased that we are the party on stage today that has a full platform, has the budget numbers that are publicly acceptable and approved as a budget that passes muster by the institute for fiscal studies and democracy. More publicring service, more help to canadians, childcare, banning tuition, investing in post secondary education, pharma care, all things that make life more affordable, is not to have cuts, but go after places where there is revenue. Offshore money being hidden, financial transaction tax, going after 1 tax on people who have more than 20 million in wealth, and a series of moves to increase the revenue coming into the government of canada. That is based on the current economic situation, if we hit a recession, we would not slavishly or ideologically balance the books come right now we think we will have a balanced budget in five years. Moderator your opportunity to debate on this topic. It is really about to borrow to live. Cut too better idea to strongly into services for people who mainly need it. What about the idea of cutting all subsidies to oil as we know,e to do, you bringing along on the floor about that. About cutting into those [indiscernible] onesers, including the started by mr. Trudeau . How about taxes from the giants on the web that still money from advertising companies. In our platform we call for taxes on ecommerce companies, the virtual, amazon and google and facebook that mind billions of dollars out of the money out of the country and pay virtually no tax. We do have to cut all fossil fuel subsidies. It was a statement by mr. Harper and mr. Trudeau but they have increased because were subsidizing lng. We need to get rid of fossil fuels and right now, we are [indiscernible] im going to move you on. Made a very different decision than Stephen Harper had in the previous 10 years when we decided to invest in canadians instead. That decision to invest in the middle class and people working hard to join it lifted 900,000 people out of poverty, including 300,000 kids. We gave more support for students going to school, more support for seniors, and what that has done is actually grown our economy more than one million new jobs created, most of them fulltime, over the past four years. At the same time as we have reduced poverty, exceeding our targets. We have done that in a way that is responsible. The International Credit [crosstalk] about concern i have these debates, and im sure a number of other leaders share it, we dont have any section on health costs or health care in the course of two debates. I want to turn this to the affordability issue and how much more affordable life would be for canadians with universal, singlepayer pharma care. Its in our platform, partially in yours. [crosstalk] lowering are you prepared to accept [indiscernible] for universal moderator im afraid time is up. I look at your platform and, you know, you will spend 60 billion. We need to have more private sector investment. You know that our National Credit card is full. Had 70 billion on our debts and you will add another 60 billion on our debts , which is not responsible. Our children will have to pay for that. Your famous private sector, having got massive tax cuts we knew her in harpers cabinet, they have not invested in the economy. They are sitting on piles of cash. We need to get that money and do publicsector Infrastructure Investments like the national from onee have energy side of the country to the other. No pipeline, by the way. We need an grid that serves every canadian. , you dont want any subsidies and i dont believe in subsidies and comfort welfare so we can agree on that. Moderator lets move on. I appreciate that you wanted to shift the discussion toward health care, its one of the biggest concerns families have. When we look at canadians across this country, they cant get the medication they need, the dental care they need, they are struggling. I met a woman in my office was covering her mouth because she was embarrassed she had lost her teeth because she couldnt get the care she needed. That is heartbreaking in a country as wealthy as ours. I know, ms. May, you are prepared to do this, but mr. Trudeau doesnt have the courage to take on the insurance and pharmaceutical lobbyists who dont want this to happen. I will make that happen, we will make these things happen because we dont work for the powerful and wealthy, we dont meet with pharmaceutical companies and listen to them, we work for canadians. Agree that wewill need to renegotiate a new health cord. It has been left alone too long. I hadituents in my a debates with local candidates. All of you can be proud of the candidates you have running locally, because ive been in a debates in the last week. One thing weve heard in every townhall meeting is we are suffering from a lack of family doctors. We need an investment in health care. The wheels are falling off the bus. And mr. Trudeau continue the same cuts. The question was about affordability and Household Debt. The entire theme of our platform is leaving more money in the pockets of canadians to get ahead. It is time for them to have a break. Universal tax cut will mean 850 in the pocket of a hardworking, average income canadian. We will bring back the childrens fitness tax cut to make raising children more affordable. We will bring back the green transit tax credit. We will help fight Climate Change by bringing in the green home renovation tax credit that puts money in the pockets of canadians and lowers omissions. Emissions. We will pay for them by cutting corporate welfare and reducing canadas foreign aid by 25 . We will stop sending money to the relatively welloff countries and keep the money back home so canadians can get ahead. That may be the worst idea on your home nonplatform, the cutting of foreign aid. I wear this pen, the sustainable developing goals of the u. N. To which this country is committed. Ending poverty in the next decade is actually possible not if we have the misfortune of having your shortterm, misguided, greedy and selfish policies. [crosstalk] moderator we are going to stop there. We are going to stop you there so we can hear from another canadian. Affordability, one of the many places canadians are watching tonight is in yellowknife in the northwest territory. This is a scene at the copper house restaurant. Earlier we heard a question on affordability from scott. What is yourn is, government going to do with the growing crisis of income inequality inaffordability in canada . Moderator ms. May. Hello, yellowknife. We must for income inequality look at the facts that over the years, the gap between the wealthiest canadians and the average canadian is continuing to expand. We are calling for a Tax Commission, we havent had a proper Tax Commission since the 1960s, to examine the tax code and see if it is still progressive, to find out if these corporate boutique tax cuts that have piled up one after the other is taking money away from those canadians who need it most and allowing those who really have massive incomes to continue, as many auditor generals have found, to be treated by revenue agencies as if they have special status. That if, i must say saying untrue things at the end of time is your way to do things , collaboration might be done already. However, about the issue, if the federal government was to takect provinces, it would less time, it would cut less quebecnd provinces and would do what they have to do about health care. This is what has to be done. The money should be given to provinces and quebec because it is mostly, if not only, their jurisdiction, that helps people. Moderator the question is about income inequality and what you would do. We recognize we need to help people more directly. Thats why the first thing we did was lower taxes for the middle class, raise them on the wealthiest 1 . We are moving forward with a tax break for low to middle income canadians and nothing for the wealth cut the wealthiest. We are also moving ford by increasing the canada child credit that has lifted hundreds of thousands of families out of poverty, by 50 for kids under one. Elevatencreasing security for seniors over 70. We are ensuring the student so have to pay back student debt until theyre making over 35,000 a year. Moderator thank you. All, i think it is important to be able to have a discussion about what is important for canadians. We are the only party that will balance the budget in two years. All other parties on this stage will spend and spend. That is not the solution. Will do this without cutting services, we will cut corporate welfare, 5 billion we can save. Is they do anything to get your vote. I promise you to do nothing except balancing the budget, and after that, lower your taxes. Thats the only responsible policy. Moderator thank you. I want to thank scott for the question. Income inequality is massive, theres also massive wealth inequality. These are not satiric, academic discussions windows at the very top do not pay their fair share, when 87 families in canada have a combined wealth of three provinces. It hurts families. We dont have the funds to invest in health care. We dont have the money to invest in things like dental care. While my opponent talks a nice game, what he has done is given 14 billion to the riches corporations to buy private jets and limousines in the last economic statement. We would instead invest in people, asked the super wealthy to pay their fair share, and invest in programs to relieve the cost on families. Moderator thank you. Mr. Trudeau has his facts wrong again. Our universal tax cut drastically is much better for middle income canadians than his proposal. He thinks that someone earning 47,000 a year is somehow too rich for a tax cut. I disagree. We also recognize that you dont need to tear some people down to lift others up. Justin trudeaus attack on Small Businesses, threatening them, making it harder for them to grow and expand and offer the types of opportunities that lead to two with higher income earnings, that is part of the problem in the last four years, all the while protecting people who have inherited trust funds. We take a different approach and will ensure entrepreneurs have what they need to grow and succeed. Moderator we are going to move on now. I have a question for the kobach call quebecois leader. Each of the leaders will have a chance to debate him 101. Quebec is one of five provinces to receive equalization payments. He received the highest amount of any province. That is the benefit of being part of a federal system where wealth is shared. You referred to the money as an assistance check. There premier has said he wants to wean quebec off of these payments. Do you agree, and if so, how would that make life more affordable for canadians . Calledt, the very system equalization is based on a flawed reasoning, flawed ways to analyze things. Thats why we propose Something Else that would progressively replace it. [indiscernible] with money from all across canada, including quebec. Aday, they are using it as stretch of her quebec, which citizens do not want [indiscernible] they rely on clean energy and believes this is the only responsible way to do things. Equalization that is base without a constitution provinces fight Climate Change. [indiscernible] receive the money, giving a strong encouragement for everybody to reduce emissions. Moderator thank you. The leaders will have a chance to debate this oneonone. One minute each viewed each. Equalization exists so every canadian across the country regardless of the problems they are born and live in, have access to the same services. It is not a perfect system but it ensures as much as we can, equality of opportunity across canada. We continue to engage with provinces across the country on updating the equalization formula in ways that are fair and it is something that continues to bind the country together. Ortunately, you [crosstalk] opportunities to create fights between quebec and the rest of canada to advance yourselves. [crosstalk] you make us pay again with this idea of a pipeline over there. Can ae something, what ernadian do that a quebec cannot do . Quebecer is a canadian. Moderator thank you. Equalization. Out the leader was ready to look at equalization for making sure the formula was being less generous and fair for every province. Let me explain, it is not fair to tax people out west and also areuebec because quebecers proud and want to live in a richer province. We must give the right incentive to the province for their natural resources. It is important to have the discussion about equalization and they dont want to have a discussion. Lets be generous and fair. [crosstalk] quebecers receive less money from equalization and anybody else receives in canada. Do you mind about stopping those lines . Moderator your opportunity to debate. I was thinking about ways to make life more affordable and i think this is where we can do a lot if we Work Together. This is the one of the things i believe where we can build a better candidate if we tackle the challenges people are facing. What we hear about a lot in quebec is the cost of health care and its not there for them when they need it. If we Work Together, the universal farmer care plan is where we use the buying power of all canadians, it is delivered provincially, but we can buy medication for lower costs it is delivered provincially. Health care would be if we wanted to finance it. You have good ideas but your french into in jurisdictions always infringe into jurisdictions [indiscernible] we want to take the money the constitution allows. We also want to tackle the problems of housing, concerning a lot of people. Federal money used to be invested in building in partnership with provinces to build housing and we want to do that again. Moderator thank you. I dont want people getting us mixed up. [laughter] moderator please continue the debate. Issues, mr. Y blanchette agrees with Justin Trudeau, he will support higher taxes and massive deficits that. Ill continue put pressures [crosstalk] we know that mr. Blanchettes priority is working on sovereignty. We know that votes for the quebecois mps mean [indiscernible] french]g [crosstalk] i [crosstalk] moderator you talked over each other and you are both out of time. Ms. May. Yellowknife, icu. Congratulations on being elected. Needization payments, we equalization in canada because we are a family. We need to think like a family. Your proposal, mr. Blanchette, would put an extra burden on parts of canada like alberta that have the toughest challenge to meet the Climate Crisis. We are concerned as greens that we Work Together and dont alienate alberta. Your previous positions on oil are quite nice to alberta. They are not nice, they are shutting down the oilsands by 2030, they dont find it nice. Agree with not others sometimes and it doesnt have to be forced to do what others say. We are facing a clement emergency and anyone who understands the science, and i hope you do it is a world issue, and on International Affairs we have to pull our weight as provinces and nations and we do it together. Moderator we have to move along. We will end this segment with another open debate. Mr. Blanchette, you may open the debate with the topic of your choice. Hmm. Mr. Scheer, you said a few months ago you were strongly against the idea of [indiscernible] in quebec. Then you said in french in quebec you would do nothing against that law. Someone close to use of the day before yesterday that you would protect bill 21, except in french. Were the only one that would protect the bill. Moderator can you get to the question please . How will you do that . The answer is simple. Ive always been clear on this issue. We will not intervene in the court case that is currently before the courts. The elected officials of quebec have taken the decision and it is before the court [crosstalk] it is important the federal government protects and respect individual liberties and human rights and we will not pursue the court of action [crosstalk] is quite simple. Moderator mr. Scheer has the floor. Wethe same thing in french, will not intervene in the court case. [crosstalk] it is the same position. Does that not mean that you will protected . I will protect it . Moderator that was mr. Scheers time to answer. We will not have the open debate. Mr. Blanchette, you can begin. Ok. The issue has been exactly the same for the beginning, i think youre trying to create confusion where it doesnt does it doesnt exist. Ive always been credible in english and french, the answers the same. This is something at the federal level we will not pursue peer the conservative party has always stood for individual every, fundamental human rights. A conservative Prime Minister. Rought for the bill of right [crosstalk] a womans right to choose an tot protection, you had apologize about your words against lgbt canadians, when are you going to apologize for that . Millions of canadians have a different position on this issue. I personally am prolife. It is ok in this country to have a difference of opinion, something you dont recognize [crosstalk] the laws have not change under 30 years under liberal and conservative Prime Ministers. [crosstalk] moderator nobody can hear what youre saying anymore. [crosstalk] [laughter] moderator youre having a mini debate. No discussion on womens right to choose, i am very clear on that. [applause] it has been interesting during this campaign have a lot of men arguing about what a womens rights should be viewed should be. Participated in a debate that did not let our little girls see that there is a chance for a women in the country to be Prime Minister and run as the leader of a party. We must be clear as all leaders, and you are not clear, that we will never allow a single inch of retreat from the hardearned rights of women in this country, not one inch. [applause] open to working with mr. Scheer [indiscernible] good them up with a law against abortion, and you said you would [indiscernible] i said dont allow anyone to run in a party that doesnt hold a prochoice position. [crosstalk] thank you very much, were going to have to move on. That concludes our segment. Our next theme, weve talked about it a little bit the know we will for real, environment and energy. We start with a question from another canadian, we will go to a gathering of people watching from the Halifax Central library. Brenton has this question. Hi. I am from new brunswick. I believe we live in an age of Climate Crisis. This is the last election we have before a point of no return is reached. Furthermore, i believe that for many large corporations that pollute, the Current System of fines and penalties associated with that polluting is just the cost of doing business. Does eachete plans leader have to address big business polluting . Moderator thank you. Very interesting. [indiscernible] the most progressive system is between california and quebec, the trade Exchange System that forces businesses to lower omissions emissions through time. It works very well and i had the privilege of completing the negotiation of such a system and signing it. It should be used elsewhere. Return into that the pockets of people without any change in incentive change. Incentives are not the solution. Hoping that a spirit. The problem. As mr. Blanchette said, quebec and other provinces have moved forward to put a price on pollution. We have showed that that price can be put across the country because it is a mechanism to lower omissions emissions and assure that canadians can for the transition. The choice tonight is clear between two parties that have very different views on Climate Change. Mr. Scheer wants to rip up the only serious plan on Climate Change canada has ever had the day after the election and we will continue to do more. We recognize we need to do more to fight Climate Change and thats why we will be surpassing our target, thats why we will get to net zero by 2050. At the Peoples Party, we are the only real [indiscernible] first of all, we want to do things that are possible. We want to do things that are possible to protect our health, our environment, our water. All of the other leaders claim to save the world and to save the climate spewed climate. Of thely represent 1. 6 emissions. They also claim to achieve the paris accord target and they cannot. They would have to impose a carbon tax of 300 dollars per ton and they wont do it. Moderator time is up. Thank you for your question. We are faced with the Climate Crisis, no question. Massive forest fires make it harder to breathe in some parts of canada. We have massive flooding and people are losing their homes. It is a serious crisis. Mr. Trudeau has set a lot of nice things, lets look at what he has done. He has said he is for the environment but he continues to exempt the biggest pollutions from the price on pollution. He says he wants to fight the Climate Crisis but he continues to subsidize oil and gas massively. He says he is a climate leader, he buys a pipeline. There is a big gap between what mr. Trudeau says and does. I find myself agreeing with you again. Sonye environment like things, Justin Trudeau says one thing and do something different. He is talking about hitting 50 targets and he can even meet 20 targets. His plan has been proven to fail. He has given a massive exemption to the countries largest polluters. They were able to negotiate themselves up to a 90 exemption from his carbon tax. Meanwhile, hardworking commuters, moms and as taking kids to school or driving to work, they have to pay the full brunt of that. Our plan is a real plan that takes the Climate Change fight global, recognizing moderator i am dropping the hammer. Thank you for the question. You, unlike everyone else on the stage, clearly understands we are up against a real climate emergency. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has given us hard timelines, challenging targets. If her going to do what is required, it isnt easy. We dont grade on a curve and say because a plan is less ambitious, it is more doable. If it fails to meet the goal of holding the global average temperature to where it should be, we fail to give our kids a livable world. The house is on fire. Weveups stand up and say got this. Moderator it is my turn to ask a question. U. N. Rudeau, less faulty panel on Climate Change stressed the need to act quickly to limit further global warming. A report from Environment Canada says the country is warming twice as fast as the global average. You say you are committed to combating Climate Change but your government still proceeded with the purchase and approval of a new pipeline to the west coast. Given the timeline and what is at stake, should canada not be moving more quickly away from further development of the oil and gas sector and to that end, should the trans mountain expansion ship be canadas last pipeline . We absolutely have to move faster and do more and thats why we put forward an ambitious plan to continue that is reasonable, doable, and will make sure we get to not just past our 2030 target but go beyond if youd there banning single use plastics, putting a price on pollution across the country and fighting the conservatives that dont want to do their part to fight Climate Change. We recognize the transition to clean energy will not happen overnight. We should have less oil by rail and we should get to new markets so we can invest all of the resources, all of the money coming in from this pipeline into the green energy transition, into fighting Climate Change. I know that is a big piece of the way we move forward, how we invest in the new economy, in that transition, and thats what we have done. The choice tonight is do we pick a government that doesnt believe in Climate Change or fighting it, or continue on the track we are in . Moderator you do not answer the last part of the question, what are we are on the last pipeline. Mr. Trudeau, we agree that we dont agree on Climate Change. I believe there is no climate emergency. You believe the opposite. But you wont be able to achieve the paris accord target. A carbon taxmpose of 300 per ton and you dont do that. [crosstalk] moderator let him finish. You are right, she has already called time to fight Climate Change. It will destroy the economy. What about you . [crosstalk] this is a way of reaching the 2030 target, and over the next 11 years, we will get there. What you dont understand and what mr. Scheer doesnt understand is you cannot build a plan for the future of our economy if you are not building a plan that protects the environment and fights Climate Change. That is where both of you are completely wrong. Mr. Singh. Mr. Trudeau, you said a lot of great things today, but youve said a lot of these things in 2016 and you said you would make climate a priority. The reality is you did all of these things, you bought a pipeline, you subsidize oil and gas, and except the biggest polluters. What will it take now for canadians to believe that youre actually going to follow through on promises . What will it take for you to follow through on these commitments . We are three quarters of the way toward achieving our 2030 target and we will surpass them. You may be surprised to discover that your plan is to build a massive refinery in alberta and the only way to do that is with federal subsidies, because there is no private Business Case for it. Your plan to build a refinery in alberta is worse for the environment than building a pipeline to the west coast. [crosstalk] that is not our plan. We would immediately invest in clean energy. Moderator that is time. Mr. Scheer. Trudeau tookn office, there were three major Pipeline Projects ready to go. Under his watch, all of them have failed. He had to take 4. 5 billion dollars of canadian tax money to put the trans mountain pipeline on life and he did that by sending 4. 5 billion of taxpayer money to another country, the u. S. To be invested in the oil and gas sector there instead of in canada. His answer, his rationale for having is he bought Carbon Offsets, which is just a thing that privilege people can do. [crosstalk] moderator mr. Trudeaus chance to respond. You did not buy Carbon Offsets because you dont believe [crosstalk] moderator no one can hear you if youd here you. Onlyu want to rip off the does rip up the only serious plan to fight Climate Change canada has had. To avoid catastrophic levels of global warming, we must double our targets, listen to science, we must not build the trans noun pipeline. Its not the last because it gets canceled if we are serious. You cant negotiate with for next. With physics. There is a carbon budget that does not budge. Thats why it is heartbreaking for me to look at you today and know you could have done so much more the last four years. Please god that you dont get a majority this time around because you dont keep your promises. Conservative premieres have gotten elected on promises to do nothing on Climate Change and we need a strong federal government to fight them to make sure that we are moving forward on protecting the future generations from the impacts of Climate Change. But your goal as a target for failure. When you hang onto harpers target of 30 by 2030 we are going to you had better double that target. Mr. Trudeau, you claim to have done a lot, but canada is the worst amid her of ghg per capita. I have two questions from quebec. First, we agree with the prime thatter of quebecs demand quebec will review environmental issues. Second question, do you promise after this judgment in british try to havenot ever a pop line across quebec pipeline across quebec . Mr. Harper did not understand that you have to work with Indigenous Peoples, you have to work with local communities, you have to respect environmental science. We have brought in a process that does that. We have worked with the provinces on ensuring there is not [crosstalk] that is what is all about. We know the way we move forward is responsible and moderator that is time mr. Trudeau, you may ask a question of any other leader. We cut taxes for Small Businesses to 9 . We cut taxes for canadians. We know that tax breaks for wealthy do not work to grow the economy. 10 years of mr. Harpers failure has done that. Yet mr. Scheers platform, what we have seen of it, most of it is still secret and will , is totly remain secret reduce taxes for the wealthiest canadians, the multimillionaires, i 50,000, which is more money than most canadians moderator wrap it up. Oddly obsessedbe with provincial politics. There is a vacancy for the ontario liberal leadership and if you are so focused on provincial politics, run for the leadership of that province. [applause] policy has, your tax meant that 80 of canadian families pay higher taxes today and when you first took office. That is exactly true. [crosstalk] follyt is that liberals fought against. I voted against your tax hikes on canadians [crosstalk] we are committed to protecting because its based on conservative principles moderator this is supposed to be mr. Scheers answer. We are going to bring back the childrens fitness moderator thats it. Open debate. Off you go. There was a question on why you were lowering taxes by 50,000 for multimillionaires in this country. Maybe you will answer it tomorrow in a press conference but you havent answered it tonight. You havent answered a question your entire time as Prime Minister. I have sat across you and you never answer [crosstalk] scheer. R mr. I am rolling back your tax hikes on entrepreneurs and small business. [crosstalk] gentlemen, no one can understand you. I have a suggestion for you. How about this idea that has been [indiscernible] a single tax refund. It would save about 400 million to our combined states. Is that not a great way to save money, make things simple for people and businesses and even governments . Youre talking about the single income tax return for quebecers. I am the only party leader that can deliver on that, mr. Blanchette. Simplifying the lives of quebecers by ensuring they only have to fill out one income tax form. You talk a lot about tax cuts, but this is the reality, canadians can look across this country and see what the impacts of the conservative tax cut means. Translation, cuts to education, cuts to health care, vicious cuts to the most Vulnerable People in society. That is what you do. Mr. Trudeau, you sound a lot better, but you have done much of the same pew to much of the same. [crosstalk] under trudeaus policy, canadians are working harder and harder but barely getting by or falling behind. Our policy will leave more money in their pockets and we are going to do that by protecting Services Like health care and education. Were going to get the money to pay for it by cutting corporate welfare and reducing canadas foreign aid budget by 25 viewed 25 . Mr. Scheer and mr. Trudeau, it is all the same, it is all tax credits. They will not cut taxes for all canadians. We have only two tax rates would be fair for everyone. Everybody will save. Our tax reform would be 35 billion, but we will do that only after balancing the budget. We will use all surplus. The only responsible way to give moderator you had your chance. With two weeks left in the election campaign, canadians can know one thing, mr. Scheer, with all due respect, you wont be Prime Minister. [crosstalk] voting for green mps is your best guarantee, canada, you dont get the government i will prove you wrong on that. I would lay a bet right now. Under Justin Trudeau, we will see endless deficits, meaning more tax dollars paying the interest on the debt. We will balance the budget. Moderator time is up. Andrew, you are calling yourself a conservative, but you dont want to balance the budget in two years. You will have 70 billion in debt. You support [indiscernible] aswing the canadian family paying more than 200 a year for that. Are you a real conservative . I think you are a liberal. Why are you pretending to be something you are not . You want to talk about pretending to be something you are not, im not sure which of you i am debating, from the 1990s who was a separatist . Or the minister responsible for corporate welfare . Or who defended supply management when it suited him . It is my time to respond to that question. The fact of the matter is there is a clear contrast in this selection. Tin trudeaus in list enlist deficits and tax hikes leave less money in your pocket. We will lower taxes for all canadians. We will bring back tax credits, we will leave the age credit for seniors, and bring in a green home renovation tax credit. That all well while cutting foreign aid so that canadians can get ahead. Moderator thats to open debate. You are starting that, too. [laughter] canadians,erefore having anot care about real debate on real issues ]crosstalk you dont want to cut foreign aid viewed aid. [crosstalk] cut have said we will canadas foreign aid budget by 25 to pay for the tax cuts [crosstalk] this election is all about who will fight for you and stand up for you. We see what mr. Trudeau, he says nice words, it he is 6 billion in corporate writeoffs last year. He keeps loopholes open. He has enclosed them in four years. We are in it for people, not the rich. We will deliver universal farmer care for all, dental care program, invest in housing, and fight the Climate Crisis we need to win it. Thats what you get when you get a democrat. Moderator mr. Trudeau can respond. We have invested in canadians, who made very different choices than harper and that mr. Scheer is proposing. We have lifted people out of poverty, we are putting more money in the pockets of students, and we are seeing over one million jobs created, most of them fulltime, over the past year. The past four years. There is so much more to do. Thats what we have to stay focused on because the fight against Climate Change, the fight for the future of our economy matters. They have completely mischaracterized a response to the Climate Crisis. You have the biggest Global Economic opportunity to get off of fossil views fuels, but you are keeping them going because your target is half of what is required. If this election is about anything, is about trust and ethics and we are in a climate emergency. We need grownups in the room to take responsible responsibility. Mr. Singh said you want to fight for canadians. That is a good point. I want to fight for quebecers only viewed only. If we dont agree, we will fight and that is what the quebecois has always done. The fact of the matter is under Justin Trudeau, life will continue to get more expensive, he will continue to raise taxes, his carbon tax will go up and he is afraid to tell you by how much. Under the conservative plan, we balance the budget, moderator mr. Trudeau, five seconds. Our price on pollution helps canadians more than removing it does. Moderator that is it. That brings us to the end of the segment and the end of the debate. We want to thank you for taking the time, our questioners tonight, and all of you watching the just a reminder that french language debate is later this week on thursday at 8 00 p. M. Eastern. Have a good night. [applause] cspans washington journal live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. Coming up monday morning, well on ss the new cspan show Election Security and voting reform with the hills reed wilson and talk about the biobama and trump administrations involvement with ukraine and then former South Carolina governor and u. S. Representative mark sanford ins us to discuss his effort to pray prie mayer President Trump for president. Join the the discussion. Monday night at 10 00 p. M. On cspan, Boston University law professor gary lawson argues that muellers appointment as special council was illegal and thus he had no Legal Authority to take any actions. On may 17, 2017, acting United States attorney general rod rosen stein appointed robert mueller, former f. B. I. Director but at the time a lawyer in private practice to be a special counsel for the department of justice. During the two years, he impaneled a grand jury, issued thousands of subpoenas, indicted at least 33 people in three companies, secured seven guilty pleas and obtained convictions on eight counts in a criminal trial. All of those actions had formal legal consequences and some of those consequences continue top this day even after the Office Closed up shop on march 22, 2019. It is therefore more of an academic interest that all of those legally consequential actions were unlawful. Robert muellers office had no Legal Authority to act. This is not by any means the first illegally pinted but hopefully will be the last if the argument that my longterm collaborator and i make is persuasive. Boston University Law professor talking about why he believes Robert Muellers appointment of special council was illegal. Monday night at 10 00 p. M. Eastern on cspan. This past week, the Supreme Court heard oral argued for two consolidated cases, concerning whether a federal civil rights law protects against