Antigovernment. What we have been talking about is white supremacist extremism. That is an ideology that most people understand to include dehumanizing kinds of kinds of racism and homophobia. Two parts, ades sense of existential dread. You have been hearing the great replacement theory part of the manifesto in christchurch and reportedly in el paso. They believe that they are accident existentially at threat, going to be replaced by immigrants, that there will be a White Genocide. The third doctrine is acceleration, that there obligation is to accelerate societal discord through violence to bring about a new world order. That is what we talk about when we talk about weight super assist extremism. It is not just the ideology that is troubling but this other set of beliefs. Viewers can call in as we have this conversation. They are split up regionally. 202 7488000 if you live in the eastern or central time zones. 202 7488001 in the mountain or pacific time zones. What are the estimates of the number of groups there are in the United States in the membership of these groups. Host the numbers guest the numbers are hard to gauge. The roots of this go back a long time. The modern roots of it are traced to after the vietnam war when you had disgruntled veterans coming back feeling like they were betrayed by the government, starting with patriot militias and evolving into what you remember, waco and ruby ridge and oklahoma city. We had groups you could document and understand and measure. Now that this is sort of what people call sometimes a much more Leaderless Movement where a lot of the radicalization happens online, you can measure hate speech, you can measure tens of thousands, people posting and engaged in some of , but far right platforms that is part of the challenge, as we have not had the federal capacity in Law Enforcement and monitoring to understand the numbers because there has not been a focus. Host why not . Guest a couple different reasons. Since 9 11, there has been an overwhelming focus on International Security and islamic extremism and resources have been devoted to that. There have been cutbacks in to target domestic extremism and there has been a neglect of the Capacity Building within higher education. We have departments of terrorism which tend to focus on islamic extremism. A lot of documents are coming out and much less is being produced in terms of the knowledge we have to help experts in the government. A seat change is about to happen and you can feel it in the air , a lot ofwith the fbi people calling for more resources and attention. I think that is very much what has happened in other countries after the terrorist attacks in 2011 in norway. Theive investments and norwegian government has the Largest Research center studying the far right and White Supremacists and white supremacist extremism. Host how did it get started . Guest this is where you start to understand how new this is. This is an effort started by folks in the u. K. It was a u. K. Based group to pull together scholars and connect them with the public. The website has several dozen senior scholars and policy fellows and more jr. Scholars ,ho write insight blogs opeds, they are posted with Media Partners and they try to connect that knowledge with the public to better inform everyone about the far right. They have scholars representing every region of the world. Host for folks who hear the name, the center for the analysis of the radical right, is there a radical left and what is the difference . Guest there is a radical left. There is a whole spectrum here. Left, and there is even a terrorist left, ecoterrorism, animalrights terrorism. When we are talking about the extreme fringes of the political spectrum, i am talking about people who are willing to use violence and even hurt civilians in order to make a political statement or because they believe they are advancing a political agenda. On the far left, those extremists have tended to it is more arson, those kinds of attacks which tend to have fewer casualties. We are seeing a lot more lethality in white supremacist extremism than any other form of extremism in the u. S. And that has been important for region that has been important regionwide. Host cynthia milleridriss taking your calls. For central time zones, 202 7488000. Or mountain or pursue for pacific time zones, 202 7488001. Caller good morning. Argument refute her that White Supremacy is the problem in the United States. I would refer someone i would refer people to look at Heather Mcdonnell book, diversity delusion. The numbers just dont add up. Trying to hide from you, she talks about the extreme left as being animalrights activists. She leaves out black lives matter and antifa and purposely leaves out that the dayton, ohio shooter was documented as a far leftist. This is not what they want you to see, the truth. If you look at what miss mcdonnell said, she was on the news the other day. Blacks for example represent 50 on actual hate crimes and you have to look at that as a ratio. To put in perspective, look at world war ii. The coast guard lost more people per capita than any other branch of the military. If you look at the ratio of numbers of people in the United States, you look at the number of people by race and ethnicity and you see who is actually committing more crimes against the citizenry. Host lets give the professor a chance to respond. Guest i think the data speaks for itself on the lethality question. That has been documented in testimonies to congress and the inference and the Antidefamation League has presented information on this as well. The most lethal form of extremist terrorism violent terrorist violence in the u. S. And that is why we need more attention to this particular form of terrorism from the federal government. Host can you explain this replacement theory a little bit more and how it has evolved from a superiority theory into a fear of replacement . Guest replacement theory has been around for a long time. In the u. S. It usually has historically been called White Genocide by the extreme right. Thed lane, a neonazi in 1980s was talking about White Genocide and these kinds of fears of change through immigration and demographic replacement. A french scholar coined the phrase the great replacement and that caught on with many very extremists whoht are concerned about this idea that there is a demographic change coming, that whites will be the minority in europe and the u. S. In the u. S. , we know that to be true in the next couple of decades and this gets framed as an existential threat. Youll even hear people say things like this is what happened to the native americans. They use the native americans as a cautionary tale saying i have heard people say things like white americans lined up on deepvations, this real seated fear of an existential threat from this kind of change. That is called the great replacement. It is that is a shinning of demographic change as a threat to an entire group of people. Host how do they get to concern about that and fear of that, to wanting to accelerate some sort of final showdown . Guest there is this third part of this set of beliefs which is called acceleration, the belief is on the extreme fringe, this is the extreme fringe but echoes of this show up in mainstream rhetoric. The extreme fringe believes that the inevitable result, the way to get change and restore a white civilization is a new world order at the end of an apocalyptic race war and the best and fastest way to get there is to increase polarization through violence. This is what makes them believe they are engaging in heroic action and you will hear words like going in, going to save my people, i cannot sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Host where there echoes of this in what we saw in isis . Trying to accelerate some kind of final showdown . Guest very much so. We call that reciprocal attic lies a. Sometimes isis attacks are celebrated by far right extremists across the world as part of the same process. In that sense, the dayton attack , some motivation is coming out, the misogyny is him and other things, i am not commenting on it because it is still very much in flux, exactly what those motivations were. Was the dayton attack celebrated by far right extremists because it contributes to the same end goal which is acceleration toward a new world order. Host marble town, georgia, jerome is next. Caller good morning. I am an individual that has atnd myself if you look the first part that was ratified regulated well militia is across the nation. We have a National Guard that to stope prepared outside influences. I have carried a knife or a gun since i was 15 years old. I have been blessed throughout life but host in this segment we are talking about White Supremacy in the u. S. Are you concerned about militias being thrown into that category . Caller i am a black male. 69 years old. Detroit,o carry michigan is where i am from and they talk about chicago. I lived in dearborn, michigan and the suburbs and i always concern myself of being accosted by white officers, especially. I am 69 years old. Host that is jerome out of georgia. Katie is next out of virginia. Good morning. Caller good morning. Host go ahead. Petitioning i think all lives matter. I think there should be a psychiatry evaluation for anyone who wants a legal pathway to gun ownership. In podunkgangs here ,irginia and Central Virginia crips, bloods, the arian race, the ku klux klan and if these guys get a gun, it will be a massacre. Host what do you take from those calls . Guest a couple Different Things. About comparing this to gangs, i think one of the things i would emphasize is that we see a lot of similarities, both across isis and gang engagement of young right ind the far terms of a desire to belong and being a part of something bigger and better for the bigger and better than themselves and that the changes going to help them enact a sense of purpose. Also resist and express their anger and resentment at things that are not going right in their lives. I think you are right that when you layer that on to gun laws, you have a recipe for potential disaster, especially when you are talking about young people who may be more impulsive. Host we talked about organization of White Supremacy groups. Is . You explain what 8chan guest it is a number of wet web platforms that are not monitored essentially or allow unmonitored and any kind of comments to be posted. 8chan has been one of the sites that has been a place where a lot of hateful things get posted , and in many ways it kind of performance a kind of ferments. It kind of host is that the only place . Guest there were many others. Some of the others one of the things about monitoring these and banning the sites is that they sometimes people get kicked off of these mainstream platforms like twitter and they that is notomething a legitimate platform or is much worse in terms of its population. Host how do they organize enough to know we are all going to migrate over here now because this got shut down . Guest this happens virally through the kind of Communications Online but also through messaging and encrypted messaging platforms. There are lots of ways. We saw with the riots in germany, people could fill the streets and a couple of hours, mostly motivated or mobilized over things like whatsapp. Host our next caller is out of pittsburgh, pennsylvania. Caller good morning. Two questions. Let me ask you this. Kids shoved ack retarded kid in feces and urine, was that racist . When six black kids beat a white boy on a bus, was that racism . Ferguson, when he picked on a cop and got killed, was that racism . Was obama inviting black lives matter to the white house, the people that shot at and killed the cops, was that racism . Certainly there are racially motivated crimes from all groups. What we are talking about here is larger scale mobilized far right extremism enacted through terrorist activities. These are different kinds of conversations. Obviously Everyone Wants crime in general to be reduced that this is not a question about crime. We are talking about terrorism. Host is this mainly a u. S. Problem . Guest absolutely not. White nationalism tends to suggest that this is a National Issue or that this is really about the american nation but in fact, things are very inc. Interconnected. It is a global movement. They are inspired by each other, they are sending each other manifestoes they are communicating and listening to each others music and buying each others brandname clothing which has messages about white supremacist ideology in it. Interwoveny much across eastern and western europe and australia and new zealand. Host how much are the governments of europe and the United States and justi and new zealand, how much do they Work Together on these issues . Guest there is some conversation happening. I think governments in europe are doing a much better job at communicating with each other. There are very few scholars for example who work across europe on the issue of the far right but places like the center for rightwing extremism which now has dozens of scholars from several different countries, becomes a place where governments can access resources. Host why was that attack in particular such a flashpoint for this movement . Guest it was significant for a number of different ways. The fast majority of people who were killed were children, young people and young children. He killed them because they were liberal. He believed he was getting rid of the next generation of people who were going to bring about multicultural norway by our etiquette in a young generation of future political leaders. That horrified the whole world. The idea that that would be a politically motivated attack. It was an incredibly large scale. A 1500 page manifesto that heavily referenced these kinds of theories around a great replacement and what is called this idea that europe will turn into a region with islamic rule. See was where we sorted to some of this global interconnectedness coupled with extreme violence. Host several of the attacks in the United States have referenced that 1500 page manifesto. Guest the christchurch shooter also. We are seeing that global interconnectedness. Host oak hill, west virginia. Joyce, good morning. Caller good morning. White supremacy has been in the United States for a long time. When the United States cavalry took the land from the native americans and put them on reservations. When the slaveowners sent their men to africa and kidnapped my ancestors and brought them here. Jim crow era. The civil rights movement. Your serial killers. Your mass shooters. White supremacy has been around a long time and maybe even back in the bible times. I think you are right. As a country in many ways, right off the bat with the genocide of it was foundeds, on white supremacist been principles. Talking about White Supremacy and its roots in the u. S. , what we are seeing right now is more the modern set of white supremacist extremism dating back to the postvietnam era when we saw this coupling of White Supremacy itself which had a much longer legacy, with this organized armed militia and antigovernment rhetoric that kind of created Mass Violence coupled with White Supremacy. Host john in florida, good morning. States, it isited natural to assert that unit states is weitzer premises because 60 of the population is white. They also have the greatest social experiment in the history of the world. The supposed civil war experiment was that massproduced modern weapons, repeating arms in the hands of a whole population made it the most lethal population on earth and the civil war never really was resolved. Got to gong force away with their guns and became outlaws in the west. The six shooter was designed by colt for a single slaveowner to be able to control many. This is been going a long time. The guns have been around forever. What is different now is young kids it is just like the jihadis. They have old guys on the internet trying to lure young guys. These old guys dont have the guts to start a war. They need these young guys. They recruit them, young disaffected men. Had these medications. They are all part of a thing. You have modern realistic media. It is almost a combat simulator. You look at the Virginia Tech shooter. , 49 people,eople killed 32 with two concealed pistols. The magazines are a thing. Host you bring up a lot of issues. Guest that was a very rich set of Different Things going on. Both john and joyce the previous caller really emphasize an important point which has to deal with a long history of the u. S. Theink johns point about complex nature of trying to disentangle what causes a person to move into violent action and the truth is, with all the knowledge we have, no one really knows what motivates one individual to become violent compared to another. We understand what moves them into those pathways and the gateways to extremism and we understand how social media works and the role of things like gun access, but also a sense of inclusion and disenfranchisement. A lack of belonging or connection. We understand how those things make people vulnerable but we need much more research and knowledge on what clicks the switch to make one person move into violent action compared to another. John made the connection when it came to jihadi terrorism on the recruitment side that it is old guys trying to recruit young guys to do it. Is there that kind of recruitment happening on the internet for White Supremacy . Guest there definitely is recruitment happening on the internet. In this case, i dont know how much older they are. What you are having here is white supremacist white supremacist extremism in the far right extremist fringes in general on the antigovernment toe having figured out how they are far ahead on tech for us compared to scholars and policymakers and they also learned how to weaponize Youth Culture in the in a way that we have not quite figured out how to address. They know how to draw people in with humor, with music, with gun culture and style and mixed martial arts. All of those things i think john is right, there is definitely recruitment but in this case it is not necessarily older versus younger but it is understanding Youth Culture and drawing them in. Host as we try to get a grasp on how big this movement is, some numbers for our viewers from the southern poverty law center. Listing of hate groups in the u. S. From 2018. Different White Nationalist groups in the united 63tes, 112 neonazi groups, racist skinhead groups, 51 ku klux klan groups, 36 io confederate groups. Neoconfederate groups. That was a 50 increase year in White Nationalist groups. At a recent Senate Oversight hearing, the fbi director talked about the number of domestic terror arrests that have happened just in 2019 so far. Here is a bit of what he had to say. [video clip] what we have here is a statement on this unclassified joint Intelligence Report that ween the years of 2016 2000 and 2016, White Supremacists were responsible for more homicides than any other extremism movement. I see the distinction you are making, homegrown versus domestic. Can you quantify either one of them for us . In terms of number of arrests, through the Third Quarter of this fiscal year, we have had about give or take 100 arrests in the internet on the International Terrorism side which includes homegrown. We have also had just about the same number, dont quite dont quote me to the exact digit on the domestic terrorism side and i will say that a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we have investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence but it includes other things as well. Host cynthia milleridriss, your thoughts on his comments . Guest what is important to understand here is how much we have underestimated until recently, the portion of domestic extremism and terrorist violence him that is violence that is perpetrated by white and that typeoups of testimony is showing that and that type of testimony is showing that clearly. I really think there has been a seat change in how the government is responding to this in the u. S. And abroad. Host cynthia milleridriss, professor at american university, a senior fellow at the center for analysis of the radical right. You can find that group on the internet at radicalrightanalysis. Com. We are having this conversation for about the next halfhour. Phone lines split up regionally. In the eastern or central time zones, 202 7488000. In the mountain or pacific time zones, 202 7488001. We are having this conversation about White Supremacy in the u. S. Almost two years to the day of the neonazi march in darla saville. Taking your phone calls. Sandy is next in youngstown, ohio. She is citing a study from the u. K. , is that it . Guest no. I am part of a group of scholars in the u. K. At a center there, so i was talking about that center but not citing a specific study but i am happy to answer questions. Caller a group of scholars that go out and talk to people . Do you go and ask somebody if they are a white supremacist . You said you dont know how many there are and that would probably be be probably be because there arent any. Host how would you respond to that . Guest those scholars are all people who do Empirical Research with a wide variety and different ways online. In germanyominantly and increasingly in the u. S. And i interview young people in and around far right scenes and conduct interviews and talk to them about their beliefs. It is incredibly informative and i think the scholars at that center, we have historians, psychologists, people who work from all different kinds of disciplines coming from different perspectives and countries talking about the far right. Host how do you get them to talk to you . Guest i work through schools and i go into schools where i know there is a high population of young people who are a part of this. That is easier in germany because there are some geographic focus and you also have vocational schools where certain occupations have higher participation from the far right , a height a higher risk i should say, and then i have found that they are will he will they are really willing to talk. These are young people who get involved are all almost across the board who get involved from a very young age, 12 to 15 and a lot of them are formerly engaged when they talk to me and they got caught up in something before they really had a full understanding of what alternatives were. Host why are they willing to talk . Guest that is a good question. Everybody loves to talk about themselves. They were interested in talking to an american in some cases but they have been really open. Young peoples on in and around far regroups far right groups. Fromadjusted in knowing young people who were drawn to it you were not drawn to it, how they resisted it. How you become less vulnerable. Of those youngne people that sticks out to you . Guest there are a lot of them that stick out. Hearld say often what i our young people who say things like i had one in my first book tell me he believed in everything that the neonazis believed he was too lazy to be a neonazi, that was the quote. It meant he was not going to be out and politically engaged, he was not interested in violence that he was supportive. Trying to understand what motivates one person who holds these beliefs to become violent versus another person who doesnt is an important thing we need reap we need more research on. Host that first book, blood and culture, youth and rightwing extremism and a sense of belonging. It came out in 2009. Our next caller is in florida. Caller good morning. Guest good morning. Caller since President Trump has acknowledged he is a white,list, his skin is would you consider him to be a White Nationalist . That what isk important to understand, so President Trump did use language saying he is proud to be a nationalist. He was contrasting that with language of what is called the globalist. That raised a lot of feathers both among far right scholars and globally because sometimes the term globalist is used in far right conspiracy theories to refer to jews. There was a concern that that was an antisemitic comment. I dont think it was meant that way. , ahink a lot of the rhetoric lot of the rhetoric that you hear from not just President Trump. I want to be clear, there were a lot of mainstream politicians doing it. The rhetoric that is used to reinforce a sense of replacement , language around invasion, talking about immigration and dehumanizing language about other people from mexico and telling congresswomen to go back, that language has not helped and it legitimizes a lot of white supremacist ideology and we have to think about how mainstream political rhetoric can legitimize and support fringe extremist ideologies that these young people are exposed to. Host denver, colorado. Bruce, good morning. Caller good morning. Host you basically want to want . Caller i was basically going to say that like a lady said a couple calls ago, this has been the culture of the knitted states since whites came over from europe. All of a sudden they think this is a Promised Land and they are upset people were here before them and their ancestors brought our ancestors over here and they want to go home. That is ridiculous. First of all they need to start getting a bit more education because many years ago when the first roots came out, i was amazed at how many white kids, even the ones who thought they were liberal said that their parents were always telling them that slavery was a good thing and all this other crazy stuff. I always said that if you are white and think slavery is good, go sell your go sell yourself into slavery and tell me how good it was. It is really a ridiculous thing. I think people are responsible for their own actions. I did not vote for President Trump but just because he says things does not mean you go out and do stupid stuff. I dont think he is responsible for what some of these idiots are doing out there but when i hear whites trying to make it sound like all these black people are doing this nasty stuff and we are these innocent victims, you probably need to check yourself and pick up a history book. That is all i had to say about it. Was hopinge i someone would bring up education. I am a professor of education and so a lot of what i think about, i work in schools and i think about what kinds of education is needed, what kind of intervention might help. I absolutely agree that only longterm solutions the only longterm solution is education and we need to educate Young Americans about the history of educationbut also in an education that views demographic change as an asset and not a threat. Host jane in washington, good morning. Caller i have a couple comments. The dayton shooter was motivated by leftwing ideology and antifa. What is her group doing to address that . The second concern i have is i am seeing that people express concern about demographic change. I personally dont care what people look like but i do care what culture they assimilate into the United States. Her comment on the concept that people may not be concerned about what people look like but they may be concerned about nonassimilation into the culture that currently exists. Guest thank you for that question. Understandshooter, i because i spent a lot more time studying the el paso shooting in the far right, but the daytons shooter the dayton shooters motivations, the latest i read, were all over the place and there has not been a clear answer. They did point out some of the misogynistic history and there are some other postings but really nothing really clear in terms of official record. There is a lot circulating and i am reluctant to comment on something that has not been made clear yet. On the demographic change, a lot of people feel the way you feel. That is part of the conversation that we have to have is americans have as americans, how are we going to live together and coexist in a culture moving forward. Those of the conversations we need because demographic change is happening and if we dont have the conversation, what happens to young people is they are vulnerable to rhetoric online that can lead them down a much more extreme path and lead to violence. Host on this program yesterday, one caller says he tries to read as many of these manifestoes of shooters as possible to try to understand why someone would do such a thing. How do you think the news media should treat these manifestoes . Guest there are some clear lessons for journalists and scholars as well. One thing that is important is to not to share the full manifesto, and that goes there was a discussion on twitter this morning about somebody who tweeted out a white supremacist flyer that showed up on her campus, but it has the url and it that was leading people so somebody else said would you mind just scratching that out before you tweet that because you dont want to inadvertently share the information. It becomes marketing. A marketing technique or a way of getting too much oxygen and this is always a balance for journalists and scholars. What does it mean to give too much oxygen and help market and spread the propaganda and i think everyone has to think carefully about having that balance. Host professor cynthia milleridriss with us for about 15 more minutes, taking your calls. Our next caller is from alabama. Caller first i would like to say that i applaud you for coming on and doing this. It is very important in america right now. Thank you john for cspan. It is very important. This is serious. They extorted some type of to study this White Supremacism in america because it became very public. The southern policy Poverty Center that until that when president that when obama became president , membership spiked a very high. [indiscernible] black people are not stupid. The woman called in from youngstown saying there are no White Supremacists. Yes there is. Stop it right now. When you tell people to go back , no way came from he could not have been no way he could not have been an american citizen. [indiscernible] those are white supremacist words and code they are using. Guest i have to agree. That rhetoric legitimizes white supremacist ideology. I think you are right about that. We have to call political leaders in the u. S. And abroad, at the state level, local leaders, to account for that kind of rhetoric, as well as journalists who do it. We have folks in the media who are using that language that helps legitimize these extreme ideologies that young people are holding. Fbiink your point about the needing bigger capacity is well taken and i do see significant chatter about that this week. Whether that will lead to real change is a question we have to answer over the coming weeks. Host what do you think the lessons are from charlottesville . Guest on the one hand we have not been paying attention enough. That many people, both ordinary people and some of our callers here and citizens across the country saw this coming and understood it to be coming. Reviewer of one of my book said you are being alarmist and a lot of folks were told they were being alarmist about this and that is very frustrating right now, feeling like there was a certain inevitability to the way this has rolled out. I think we also have more knowledge now and we are starting to see a commitment. Tookhorrifically sorry it the christchurch and el paso and the loss of so many innocent lives to really bring this to light and i hope we dont have another episode like that but i fear that we will. Host our next caller in florida. Good morning. Caller good morning and thanks for cspan. I have about three things to say. First off, all this right here we are hearing is excuses. We know that it is White Supremacists trying to do what they do. At the end of the day, it comes down to what are we serious about . I have been listening to cspan is, theynd the deal find all these excuses but 99 whitese Mass Shootings is males. What if this was a muslim, a black, or someone else other than a white male . What would congress be doing . Another another thing is, we make excuses about Mental Health. If it was a muslim, it would not have been Mental Health, if it was someone who was black, it would not be Mental Health. I did 28 years in the military. I remember back in 904i had a commander who used to give his kids, small kids, ritalin. To try ands to want find out where all this socalled Mental Health came from. No one is looking back on these people who are privileged because they cant control their kids and they give them this mind altering drug when they were young and now the same kids are in their 20s and 30s doing all this shooting. Investigatedmeone the cause of giving your child ritalin when they are a child and their brain is developing, what is happening now . Guest i think kenneth, one of the things you are pointing out, first of all i think it is clear that there would have been very different reactions to not just the most recent attacks but some of the other attacks we have seen if these had been perpetrated by someone pledging allegiance to isis or islamic extremism or had been a muslim or someone who was not white. I think that this is finally coming to light. These conversations this week are really different than the conversations that have happened before. Host why do you feel that way . Guest i think we reached a Tipping Point it really sorted to change for me when i noticed after christchurch, seeing that happen and how that was globally interconnected, the Live Streaming over facebook, that was a turning point for a lot of people to understand that we have reached a different moment in white supremacist not as a and we have society or government been paying much attention. I think people felt that way after charlottesville. This was a wakeup call. A thing that people of color have known for a long time in this country, about the existence of White Supremacy but seeing that, seeing young people marching across campus with tiki torches and chanting you will not replace us was a bit of a turning point in the attention but it did not really change the Resources Available to Law Enforcement or monitoring agencies and i think that is what we are going to see change now. Host you will not replace us, coming from the replacement there you were talking about early earlier. Guest absolutely. Host our next caller, good morning. Caller good morning. Say that this type of behavior with this White Supremacy is inherent in america and probably the world. You a quickve example of how these people are misunderstood and misguided. , he saidr liam neeson that if something happened to a lady friend of his, some type of crime, he said that a black person committed it and he said he certain Walking Around with a gun in certain areas looking to get in a fight or do something to him so that he could kill him. Then he said he did not end up killing anyone. Then he thought about it and he felt that was an apology. That is the white privilege. Just because i did not kill anyone, i am sorry, but no, just the fact that you thought you could walk around with the gun and kill someone and then you knew that you were going to incite it but you could say i am white, i am a star. It was bothering me. Its their fault. And they would more than likely get away with it. That is the inherent thought of these people. I can do this and get away with it. And they have been. That is a sickness and that is not being dealt with. The thought that you could do Something Like that and get away with it because you know the rest of america and the world well, yeah host we got your point. We got your point. Guest a lot of people have gotten away with it and i think the monitoring, Law Enforcement has been even when wellintentioned has not had the resources or mandate to direct toward this and i really do think we are going to see i hope change is coming because we are seeing more conversations around those issues that i have seen. Host john on twitter wants to know who is behind that event in charlottesville. Guest it was called unite the right because it was intended to. Ring together a whole group these groups self organized and 70 want to make a showing of a larger showing than anyone of these individual groups. It was called unite the right as a way to bring them together. Host new explained one of those chants, what is the blood and soil chant about . Guest blood and soil till blood and soil has a long history. Of nazi history connections and also is just premises,al, weitzer the idea of white blood, pureblood and soil is this idea of a secret space. This idea of homeland, of territory. They are about a connection between territory belonging to a white race, that connection between blood and soil. Host time for a few more calls. Evelyn in texas, good morning. Caller good morning. I just wanted to say thank you to miss cynthia for coming on because this is a really important issue. We have friends and white friends that are losing their young men, not only to the Opioid Epidemic but because they are committing suicide from joining these White Supremacy groups, whether it is skinheads or all the other groups. It is so sad. My husband goes to the funerals. Count more than 10 funerals in the last five years, but it is sad because these young white males are being cowards,ed by these these leaders, these White Supremacy leaders and the biggest one, a lot of people are saying around here, that donald trump is the one that is causing is, problem and my question if he is going to go around hate fillede hisence, why is it that followers like Stephen Miller and Kellyanne Conway who were also fanning the flames, why cant they be investigated or arrested for abetting these hate filled crimes . Guest i think you are touching around freeue speech which has to do with it overlaps with these questions about what constitutes free speech and what constitutes incitement. Whether we are talking about the president or anybody else, these questions are part of the reason why we have not really had a , itstic terrorism statute has to do with american concerns about privacy and overreach of the federal government into free speech protections. One of the things we have to disentangle in the coming years and months is what does it mean and there are ways to investigate and interrogate that we just dont have the domestic side because of those civil rights and privacy concerns. Those are concerns to watch. Host indiana, rodney, good morning. Caller thanks for taking my call. I have been sitting here listening to everybody. Old. White, i am 65 years i have been around the United States, i have never been her out of the country. I am pretty judgmental and i dont understand why everybody now is labeled a white supremacist. If you are white, i guess you are now acer premises. Lord have mercy. What has this country come to are you guys and you responsible for this, labeling people for being white. Host i will give you a chance to respond. Guest i want to be clear, we are talking about white supremacist extremism which is an ideology that leads to violence against groups of people, that has led to the deaths of hundreds of people. It think i would say dont think i would ever say all white people are White Supremacists. We are talking about a fringe group. That White Supremacy itself has underpinned a lot of things and is reinforced by it factors into the ideology but the ideology i am talking about of white supremacist extremism is a fringe group that causes a lot of violence and harm and we have to look at some of the ideologies that would lead a fringe extremist down that path toward violence. Host can you talk a little bit more about the work of the center and what you are working on coming up in the wake of what we are talking about . We the center works have conferences and a lot of publications and opeds with Media Partners around the world trying to get information out and advise. We do a lot of media work. I think part of the mission is to connect scholarship with the public and the media. It is something that scholars are not always very good at, talking to the media and trying to get our work out there and inform the public. Book, ining to a new live on cspan from the Cato Institute institute in washington dc, a debate on libertarianism versus conservatism between interns and the Cato Institute heritage foundation. Which political philosophy provides better answers to todays most important political questions