Transcripts For CSPAN Washington Journal 08082019 20240714

Our weeklong look at political podcasts continues with fox news digital politics editor chris tire will, cohost host good morning. 8, 2019. Rsday, august the flags at the capital remain at halfstaff today following the shootings in dayton and el paso. We begin our conversation with gun owners. Any,nt to know what, if gun restrictions you support. If you are a gun owner who does not support any new gun laws, 2027488001. If you are a gun owner who supports new gun laws, 2027488000. You. D thursday morning to hour as weonly this show you the front page of todays usa today. Protesters rallying outside the hospital in dayton, ohio, where President Trump visited shooting survivors on wednesday. Trump opens the door to background checks. The president making that opening in those statements before leaving for el paso. [video clip] i think background checks are important. I dont want to put guns into the hands of mentally unstable people or people with rage or hatred. What about assault rifles . There istell you that no political appetite for that at this moment. You can do your own pulling and there is no political appetite from the standpoint of the legislature, but i will bring it up. Theres a great appetite and a very strong appetite for background checks. Bring up background checks like weve never had before. I think republicans and democrats are getting close to a on doing something on background checks. Host one of those members of congress, senator pat toomey, a republican from pennsylvania, has worked on his background check bill with senator joe mansnchin. Encouraging remarks. Joe manchin and i are working with colleagues and the white house to pass our bipartisan bill that will extend background checks to better keep guns away from felons and mentally ill while protecting Second Amendment rights of lawabiding citizens. The nra is pushing back. Heres the story from the washington post. Wayne lapierre spoke with President Trump on tuesday after the president had expressed support for background check would noting him it be popular among trump supporters. The nra, which opposes the legislation sponsored by to meet commenthin, declined to for that story. President trump had asked advisors and lawmakers this week about whether nra had enduring clout during an internal leadership battle. This morning, we are talking with gun owners only. We want to hear your thoughts on stricter gun laws. Phone lines if you do, phone lines if you dont. For those who dont, eugene, oregon. Good morning. Caller my heart goes out to anyone who has lost somebody to gun violence. Fromld like to hear someone in the army about the National Security implications of banning assault weapons in case there were ever a foreign china or russia after an earthquake. Host kentucky. Youre up next. Good morning. Caller i want to give you some ideas of what i think about this. First of all, about 10 years ago, i was shot in the head on a city bus. Bullet hit the top of my head and came down behind my eye. I had a bullet in my gums for about six months. The two persons that did this, one was about 68 black Football Player from indianapolis. The guy who shot me was a white guy. They were together. The big black guy, we were in , he wasfs on the bus really a powerful man. On, i start thinking about because when you have that kind of violence done to you, you feel violated. What sort gun owner, of new restrictions would you support . Usually, if youre going to do the red flag kind of thing, if that person is that far gone, he Needs Mental Health services. Flag, are going to red you should also get Mental Health services for that person. Thats my opinion. Host how do you feel about stricter background check laws . Caller they already have them and you all dont know it. Its almost impossible to buy a it is so strict, you cant imagine. Host the house version of the background check law being called a universal background check, closing internet and gun show loopholes. You dont think that is necessary . Caller please repeat the question again. Host the house version of a background check bill, the universal background check bill, it was passed by the house earlier this year, it will close the gun show loophole, Internet Sales loophole. Do you think that is necessary . Caller you have to remember the a person in the United States can carry a gun. Its not to kill people. It is to protect yourself from the government. Take these highpowered society, you are really taking self protection government and from anyone else that tries to break into your house. Host who do you worry more about . The potential person that might break into your house or the potential person that might break into your house or the government . Caller in this day and time, its the government. I discussed this when you had Elijah Cummings on cspan. Said a piece of rhetoric, he said two major lies he said theres been 202 spent on trillion spent on affirmative action. He needs to come out and say where all that money went. Host Elijah Cummings, the chairman of the House Oversight and reform committee, spoke yesterday at the National Press club in d. C. Will remember the exchange he had with President Trump over twitter about baltimore. Heres a bit from yesterday. [video clip] we must also stop the hateful, incendiary comments. We have to do it. Those in the highest levels of government should stop invoking fear, using racist language and encouraging reprehensible behavior. It only creates more division among us and severely limits our ability to Work Together for the common good. We finally must say that enough is enough. With there done hateful rhetoric, that we are done with the Mass Shootings, that we are done with the white supremacist domestic terrorists who are terrorizing our country and fighting against everything america stands for and everything are phenomenal our phenomenal military has fought for. Conversationof a [applause] a im just reminded of conversation i had with my 10yearold niece this weekend. Elijah, are they going to put us in cages . Are they going to put us in cages . That is coming from a 10yearold that better than we must stand together with those who we do not look like, those who we disagree with, and recognize that we have more in common than we have that separates us. Host congressman Elijah Cummings of maryland yesterday at the National Press club. You can watch that on www. Cspan. Org. Cummings in the search bar and you will find it there. We are asking you if you support stricter gun laws. 2027488000 if you do. 2027488001 if you dont. Mike, a gun owner in sun city, california. You dont. Why not . Ler it happens every day you dont hear about it and you dont see the stories. We live in an era of advocacy journalism. President trump is right. They are the enemy of the American People. Racisme driving this narrative against the president , trying to make him politically correct. They . O is the entire media . Caller generally the elite liberal media. You get that, right . Serves as the defense of the left. Its a gang. Thats why you see the hatred every day, 24 7. It is unbelievable to even its awitness, the hatred, the m that comes from the left. They say the venom is coming from the right. Its unbelievable to witness. Unfair and they do serve america every day disserve america every day. With what they dont tell me that newou tell york city and ellie dont have a l. A. Dont day have a story every day where someone defends themselves with a gun . Or maybe blackandwhite coming together . A white policeman saves a black baby or Something Like that. Never because thats the narrative. Host maryland. A gun owner that does support some stricter laws. Which ones, james . Caller stricter gun laws i a vietnam veteran. I am a vietnam veteran. M1 to the ar15. Was deduced because it is a point and shoot weapon, anddfire, rather than aim try to pick out an enemy. 14, i call it the at t because it was to reach out and touch somebody a distance away. There no need to have automatic weapons to the extent that we have them now. A 14 shotgun for an intruder that has broken into my home that i can get to and use. If thissue him outside, person were to get away, then im liable because ive stopped protecting my home and now, i am pursuing this particular person. Host automatic weapons by and large illegal to own already. What would you change about current gun laws . Stocks. The bump startin, starting off. If someone is stabbing us, they can change a mechanism and make it automatic. Trump and thet trump administration, the justice department, moving to make bump stocks illegal in the past year as well. This is a column from usa today. , formernnings strategist for Mitch Mcconnell, he offers possible new gun laws that could be considered, ading any red flag law new red flag law. Temporary placement on a reasonable. Is consider universal background checks and a ban on magazines and drums. The headline consider new gun s. S, when go ontt and kirkwood, delaware the line for those who dont support new gun laws. Caller simply put, im concerned. We have lots of laws on the books that arent enforced. New laws dont mean anything to the criminals who dont obey the law anyway. Thatere is one single law says this person is available to buy, they are eligible or not, i could get behind that. No registry, nobody writes down what they bought. Are they able or not able . Anything other than that, you run into problems. Red flag laws are unconstitutional. People are getting killed because the police show up to this guys home and he has no idea whats going on, hes holding a firearm, someone gets he ends uppy and shot. Host how do you feel about the ban on bump stocks . Caller its a joke. On the endbump stock of each of your fingers unless they are cut off. To modify aa belt single fire to fire faster. If you have a law that says you cant have more than 10 rounds, you have severely limited the ability to defend your family. If we enforce the laws that already exist, that are already there, we can eliminate most of the stuff thats going on. These are people who broke the existing laws. No new laws would have fixed any of that. Its onlyculous, pandering to the people who know nothing. Earlier whotleman is a veteran, he was talking about automatic weapons. We havent had those in this country for years. For the general public, its almost impossible to get. You have to modify one and that requires a special skill. Host a cone under gun owner in michigan. He supports new gun laws. Which ones . Caller we are looking at i i the government has havent heard anything as far as of what seriousness is i call the projectile that is being fired from the gun. Itr former caller expressed pretty well about the shotgun and so on. Whereare some instances certain guns should be allowed if you own a large amount of property, but you should have to i dont need a solid projectile to protect myself. Anybody that had could have itt this guy busy enough, would have taken his mind off what he was doing in a hurry. The projectile is what we need to do. That. Nt need if you do use a solid projectile, i think there should be serious consequences and restitution charges. Host for people who arent as familiar with ammunition, why would that help the situation in this country and concerns about mass shooting . Solidme youre talking projectile versus a hollowpoint bullet . Caller im talking about shot, actually. Guns thatls, you have will shoot multishot, just shot shells rather than a solid projectile. You look at the seriousness of the capacity and the concussion they have, when you go hunting and so forth, you use the solid projectile to actually kill. You are going out to kill. Host what would be your solution for those hunters who still want to be able to go hunt and cant hunt at long range with a shotgun . Caller thats it. You will have permits during hunting season and so forth. You will have a permit to do that like you would with concealed carry and so forth. If you are not in hunting season and not in route during that time it all has to be worked around that. We could give permits to actually carry solid projectiles. They have not. Host dave in hail, michigan. Steve bullockor was speaking to the audience at the National Press club. One of the topics he brought up, the compromise he thinks can be found between gunowners and those who are concerned about stricter gun laws in this country. Heres what he had to say yesterday morning. [video clip] i think there is more commonality than we want to believe. Owner thatmet a gun doesnt want to keep their family and community safe. The vast majority of nra members take universal background checks, closing the gunshot loophole, red flag laws wouldnt this be great . Indiana passed it. Thats not a bastion of antigun liberalism. We know what we have to do. Issued, it is a political that is fielded to divide us. I hope this might be the time that we wake up. And even more than just the Mass Shootings, it struck me when my youngest started a new school this year, went to the middle school what did you learn this week . I learned where to go in case of an active shooter. For us who are a little bit older, we remember fallout shelters and things like that. The thought that every child goes to a school now and has to think about where an active shooter would be, and the fact that we talk about hardening our schools, not how do we better keep our kids safe the values are the same. 40 of households in america have a firearm in them. The values of wanting to keep our communities safe are the same. Money, the nra and this town that prevents this step. Host governor Steve Bullock yesterday at the National Press club. We are talking to gunowners only in this first hour of washington journal. Heres the polling on americans in general. Gallup has been asking this question over the years. Do you feel the laws should be made more strict, less strict, or the same . 41 of americans think it should be more strict. Those who think it should be kept the same, 30 of americans. Saying gunjust 8 laws should be less strict. This goes back to 1992. New bedford, massachusetts on that line for gunowners who dont support stricter gun laws. Why not . Caller in a country with 22,000 justaws, people superficially should look at the situation and say if laws had the power to make our society we would besurely the safest society on earth. Passed foraw that is more protection against these terrible antisocial uses of guns make us less free. The further we get away from individual freedom and individual responsibility, the less american we get. And the less successful we will be as a country because that was our recipe for success, giving people the freedom to determine their own lives and holding them against the antisocial use of any weapon. Host theres been a lot of talk this week about red flag laws, trying to identify people who beforet own guns Something Like this happens. How do you feel about red flag laws . Caller in theory, it holds the promise of making us it also completely strips Constitutional Rights away from people who justified the loss of their rights. I would not like to trust my psychologist or Law Enforcement official who might think because of some particle of something i said or did that i wasnt trustworthy. Host would you trust it to a judge . Caller well, we trust an awful lot to judges. Maybe that is the best repository of it. I havent seen a lot of good jurisprudence right now. Ive seen very fuzzy logic judges make poor decisions again and again. I dont think that is a fair place to put it. Georgia, linet of for gunowners who believe there should be stricter gun laws. Which ones, steve . Caller the spirit and intent of automatic weapon fire be controllable. Thats what the country wants. Bump stocks is a stupid way to shoot a gun. People need to know more about guns to write these laws. Automatic fire is one pull of the trigger, one shot. There are companies that have invented a better mousetrap, whatever you want to call it, to overcome that. The atf has approved these systems that can shoot 500600 rounds per minute. You cannot buy a gun over the internet without it being delivered to a federal firearms licensed dealer who has to do the background check. The only background checks now the only way to avoid a background check is if you buy a or from your neighbor family, a relative passes it down. The idea that you can do more background checks, i dont know where thats coming from. Every gun ive ever bought, ive had to do a background check. There is no way around it. Host you said if the country supports banning automatic weapons, you could get behind that. Do you think the country supports right now a universal background check, however that would work . Is that something the country supports . Caller im sure the country supports it and we already have it. You cant buy a gun without getting a background check. Im not sure what youre talking about, how much more universal it could be without going into peoples homes and checking whether youre going to give a gun to your son or daughter. Host what always gets brought is buying at a gun show caller that is less than 5 of all gun sales. Justu go to gun shows, about everybody there is a federal firearms license dealer. Host should they all be, steve . If if you sell somebody has 50 guns sitting out there, they should be a federall y licensed firearms dealer. Sell it,e wants to they should be able to sell it. The other thing about the red flag law, you are going to be turning people in turning their neighbor in, this or that. Its going to be like the communists and nazis. It will turn the country on itself. Area ofcan find another the country to take those background checks into, more power to them, but its just about covered now. Host heres the polling on background checks. We mentioned a usa today poll earlier this week in the wake of those shootings in dayton and el paso. A majority of those surveyed, including 59 of republicans, say the u. S. Senate should pass two measures approved this year by the house of representatives. Has so farnell refused to bring up those bills for consideration in the senate. Back to georgia, another steve on the line for those who do not support stricter gun laws. Caller good morning. Rights, i the bill of cant find another right that requires a citizen to be licensed or pass a test. Think the whole concept of a background check is in itself wrong. Do you think people should be licensed and have to pass a driving test . Caller excuse me, that is not a right in the bill of rights. That is not a universal right. Host but do you think that is something we should have a say society have as a society . Caller what is your question . Host should people be licensed to drive a car . Caller yes, but thats not a universal right. We are talking about the bill of rights. Host that is steve in georgia. Dakota oneve in south the line for those who do support stricter gun laws. Go ahead. Caller im a gun owner, i do own a semi automatic rifle. This thing is skewed out of proportion. Host turn down your television so we can have that conversation. Caller look, the semiautomatic youe, you pull the trigger, get one shot and one shot only. The only difference between an is thend ak47 appearance of that weapon. You have traditional semi automatic shotguns and traditional semi automatic hunting rifles that have a would it is theood stock, same mechanism. I dont have a problem with the red flag law, but you need to expand that so is a federal law so that when someone is diagnosed as being a danger to themselves or someone else, they are forbidden from buying a firearm. That will take a federal law. Is steve in south dakota. Tennessee. John, go ahead. Caller i believe in the Second Amendment. Have look,n we ruined thisve country. They are using this in the Second Amendment you need to inform people why we have these rights. Its because of whats going on up there right now. We have to stick to what the constitution says, not what people make up. These people fought and died for our rights to own these guns. Donald trump is trying to do the best you can. Fake news is right. You dont like what he says so you shout him down. Thats not changing nothing. President trump said yesterday that he would be open to some sort of new background check law. Would you support that . Caller we already have them. Host so, you disagree with the president on that . Heler i just feel right now is saying words to comfort people. Do we already have them . Do you know the laws . Thats the thing, we already strict gun laws. Yes, people should have a right to have it. You cant have people taking our rights from us. Theres a reason we have them rights. Host thats john in tennessee. Mark is necks out of pennsylvania next out of pennsylvania. Time theres a shooting, they go right to these universal background checks. Yet, every shooter bought those guns legally. Shooters th these they are crazy. Theres something in the background that would show up. Hipa lawss dont go into their School Records to see if theyve been expelled. They just see if they have any felonies. That can be tightened up and it wont affect legal gun owners. I dont think people should have their guns confiscated. People doing the right thing shouldnt be punished because one crazy person does something absolutely insane. You can tighten up the background checks. One of these mass shooters was buying it through the gun show loophole, i would say go ahead and change it. Its not going to fix anything. Why are we passing laws that one fix anything . Host you brought up the idea of highcapacity magazines. Today,nnings in usa former Campaign Strategist for Mitch Mcconnell and others, said it wouldnt eliminate all the highcapacity magazines already in circulation, but it would signal that we arent comfortable with people walking unload 100 to bullets die whetherle will its a 10 round magazine or 100 round magazine. I understand the perception that no one should have that. Why do all the Police Departments have ar15s in their arsenal . If they are so deadly, they shouldnt be used at all. Why do they have them and why do they have the large capacity magazines . Why is it that they can defend themselves and we dont have the same thing . Thats not right. People turned on mitch started breaking into his home, what would he do . Host rodney in mississippi on the line for those who dont support new gun restrictions. Why not . Caller we already have enough gun laws. Every time after one of these shootings, they talk about gun ince on cnn or msnbc get all my guns out of the safe and make sure they dont commit no violence and they dont. Its the people behind the gun doing the violence. Host why do you own 60 guns . What you do with them . Caller i shoot them. Its my constitutional right. I have two ar15s, highpowered rifles, handguns because i want to have them, i love them. These highpowered rifles host for people who dont own guns, why do you love your guns . Caller why do i what . Host why do you love your guns . Caller i dont know if youve them,hot 1 i hunt with i shoot at the target range and stuff, i get a sense of power with it, i just love them. And you can protect your family because someone knows you have a gun in your house, they will think twice about coming in on you. Host mark in leesburg, virginia is next on the line for those who would support new restrictions. How many guns do you own . Caller i own four guns. Host what do you use them for . Caller hunting and target practice. Host what is your take on gun laws in this country . Caller i dont think the Second Amendment was ever intended for anyone to own a gun when it talks about a well regulated militia, i think they are talking about the National Guard, which is part of the army, which protects the homeland. The National Guard members dont get to take their guns home with them every day. They take them to an armory. Oft is a misappropriation the constitution to serve peoples purpose, which as rodney said is for a sense of personal power. People are just fear mongering ut becoming a dictatorship im in favor of restrictive gun laws. Ive heard people in the nra comparing the automobile to a gun, saying you can kill people, its a 3000 pound weapon an automobile, i have to go through six months of training and get tested on it and i have to get licensed for it. We dont have anything like that for guns. Theres too many ways to buy a gun illegally, even making the laws more restrictive, you will have problems unless it is federal because theres a lot of crossborder state movement and just blackmarket sales of guns as well. Host this is the Editorial Board of the Washington Times today, talking about a new assault weapons ban, the idea of trying to define what is an assault weapon. This is part of what they write today. Part of the issue with the 1994 assault weapons ban is that it gun manufacturers easily found their way around the law. They cite one of those who studied the assault weapon ban, saying cosmetic changes were sufficient to transform a band into a banned weapon legal substitute. One of those involved in the passage of the assault weapons 1994, one of those democrats running for president this year, former Vice President joe biden. Heres what he had to say yesterday about calls for stricter gun laws. [video clip] you are in support of stronger background checks, universal background checks. Universal background checks. Youre in support of an assault weapons ban. I was able to get one passed. It basically was inconclusive there were so many assault type weapons already on the market, and didnt have a it didntle effect have a demonstrable effect on the level of crime. Heres a simple proposition do we want to continue it . It made senseink that someone is able to walk into a gun store and buy an assault weapon that has multiple 100, even though you cant point to the fact that it stopped it before, do you want more on the streets . The people who say they will come for my guns bingo. They have an if that assault weapon. The Second Amendment doesnt say you cant restrict the types of weapons people own. Bazooka. Buy a how would you deal with the assault weapons already out there . I would institute a National Buyback program. I would move in the direction of making sure that is what we tried to do, get them off the streets. Thats not confiscating thats not walking on peoples doors, going through their gun cabinets, et cetera. There is no legal way you can deny them the right to legally purchase them, but we can make a major effort to get them off the streets and out of the possession of people. Host joe on cnn yesterday. We are having this conversation with gun owners only, asking if you support stricter gun laws. 2027488000 if you are a gun owner who does. 2027488001 if you are a gun owner who does not. Maye responding on twitter or may not be gun owners, but heres the conversation so far at http twitter. Com cspanwj. Jerbear says driirk rights onics says in re writing taking your calls, gun owners only for the next 15 minutes or so. Juanita in georgia. Good morning. Your next. You are next. Caller its not guns that kill the people, its people. We need stricter Mental Health laws. They keep people on the streets and these mental people by guns buy guns and they go out and kill people. People who are mentally sane do not go out and kill people. You dont need stricter gun laws. If you take peoples guns away from them, they will go underground to buy guns and theres no way to regulate them. Host what do you think about President Trump opening the door to stricter background checks . Caller background checks, yes, but taking guns away, no. If you come in on me, i will shoot you. Thats the reason the gun was bought. Someone tried to break in. Thats your house, thats your life. Host barry in louisville, kentucky, on the line for those who do support stricter gun laws. Caller as far as registering guns, we dont have a National System to register serial numbers, so theres no way to track guns. Cannotice Department Register serial numbers on most thefts. They have a sale every so often and they get this bonus money. Thans more important registering weapons and background checks. Anyone bringing illegal guns to a gun show is crazy. Youre going to buy them on the streets for top dollar. You arent going to spend a bunch of money on mostly collectible guns. Private sale transfers you 25,o that because its most people dont want to spend the money. They dont want it in their name. Games promote the wrong use of guns, different shows like swat promote the positive use of protection. To startts our duty promoting the use of guns i have a few, a 22 for target gun to hunt a gun to hunt deer with and a side gun to hunt squirrels with. Support any not stricter gun laws. They are pretty much pointless as they are right now. We have so many laws that arent enforced. People talk about universal there is nohecks way to enforce the universal background check. Firearms arent registered in the first place. How are you going to know who has what gun to start with . If you look back at the national reason act of 1934, the they understood if they those i firearms, thats in violation of the constitution. They just regulated them, made you pay a tax and get government permission. With theg happened assault weapons ban. Instead of just flat banning the assault weapons at all, they grandfather to ones people already owned grandfathered the ones people already owned. Jim in oklahoma does support stricter gun laws. Which ones . Caller first, i want to make a comment. It would be nice if you posted the Second Amendment. Ler said the National Guard should own guns says aSecond Amendment the regulated militia, right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Issues,lem is mental but banning guns, semiautomatic guns that look scary to some people will not change a thing. We need to bring back the Death Penalty for murderers. The problem isnt guns. The problem is our Justice System doesnt prosecute murderers who committed those crimes. They need to bring back public executions for murderers, not attack american citizens following our constitution. Host that is jim in oklahoma. Few better places to go than the National Constitution center, nationalconstitutioncenter. Org. Jim got the wording exact. Jake in arlington, virginia on the line for those who do not support stricter gun laws. Caller how are you doing . Host im doing well. Go ahead. Caller i dont support any new now being proposed right because of the Mass Shootings. The problem we have right now, we have so much fear mongering following Mass Shootings. Laws, newot about new regulations. We have plenty of laws and regulations on the books. The majority of them are not enforced. Addressingr anyone the core issue of why we have Mass Shootings in this country. Issues, emotional control most of the Mass Shootings having recently happening recently have been the younger generation. They dont know how to deal with their emotions. They take vengeance on society. Law will not help. Anyone can use any tool as a weapon. Host i think we got your point. Jeff in centerville, tennessee is next on the line for those who do support stricter gun laws. Caller i dont really support i have one. I have sold guns at a gun show. This is simple. They always talk about the gun show. Its a simple solution. And those people that sell at that gun show, they need to go through i will write the guys license down. Thats all you have to do in tennessee. He can give you a fake id. Work . How does that caller i want to know that im i want to do a background check on him. Prison. Put my butt in host you still with us . Caller yes. Host go ahead and finish your comment. Explain a bit more about how that process works and whats required of you. Caller i can sell a pistol to anybody. Citizen, do, as a it. There should be some ramifications. Host that is jeff in tennessee. Mary out of fort myers, florida. Caller thank you for taking my call. Shooting at San Bernardino is the reason i have a gun. My husband said to me you are getting a gun. He made sure i knew how to use it. I have it in my car right now. Them at gunuys auctions. Hes an engineer and he loves the mechanics of a gun. ,he previous caller, you asked why do you love guns . Its not just because of the shooting. Its because of the history and the mechanics of the gun. He likes to take them apart, fix them, resell them. Its not always about killing. Host judy is next in hudson, florida. On the line for those who do support stricter gun laws. Caller im a 78yearold Senior Citizen from florida. I do have a pistol in my house. I was in the navy. Us, buta gun to protect im against assault rifles, assault weapons. Theres no need for assault weapons. You not going out hunting deer youre not going out hunting deer. Regulate the bullets sold to these people. You cant do anything about assault rifles, do something about the bullets. Host is one way to do that with magazine restrictions . Caller yes. Host that is something you support . Caller absolutely. Host how do you feel about red flag laws . Caller im not in favor of that, no. Host why not . Caller i cannot give an excellet nation right now but give an explanation right now but i believe in having a gun for , itection and my point is want to bring up the fact that bullets should be restricted and people should take a look at the toazines and restrict them have some control over these assault weapons on the street already. Host our last caller in this first segment of the washington journal. Stick around, plenty more to come. Up next we are joined by American University professor cynthia milleridriss to discuss the history of White Supremacy in the United States. Later on, our podcast week continues. Chrisl be joined by stirewalt, cohost of the podcast Perino Stirewalt ill tell you what. Sunday night on q a. 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Refer to the far right as a spectrum of ideologies that includes white supremacist extremism but also a range of other kinds of systems oneliefs and the far right spectrum including antigovernment. What we have been talking about is white supremacist extremism. That is an ideology that most people understand to include dehumanizing kinds of kinds of racism and homophobia. Two parts, ades sense of existential dread. You have been hearing the great replacement theory part of the manifesto in christchurch and reportedly in el paso. They believe that they are accident existentially at threat, going to be replaced by immigrants, that there will be a White Genocide. The third doctrine is acceleration, that there obligation is to accelerate societal discord through violence to bring about a new world order. That is what we talk about when we talk about weight super assist extremism. It is not just the ideology that is troubling but this other set of beliefs. Viewers can call in as we have this conversation. They are split up regionally. 202 7488000 if you live in the eastern or central time zones. 202 7488001 in the mountain or pacific time zones. What are the estimates of the number of groups there are in the United States in the membership of these groups. Host the numbers guest the numbers are hard to gauge. The roots of this go back a long time. The modern roots of it are traced to after the vietnam war when you had disgruntled veterans coming back feeling like they were betrayed by the government, starting with patriot militias and evolving into what you remember, waco and ruby ridge and oklahoma city. We had groups you could document and understand and measure. Now that this is sort of what people call sometimes a much more Leaderless Movement where a lot of the radicalization happens online, you can measure hate speech, you can measure tens of thousands, people posting and engaged in some of , but far right platforms that is part of the challenge, as we have not had the federal capacity in Law Enforcement and monitoring to understand the numbers because there has not been a focus. Host why not . Guest a couple different reasons. Since 9 11, there has been an overwhelming focus on interNational Security and islamic extremism and resources have been devoted to that. There have been cutbacks in to target domestic extremism and there has been a neglect of the Capacity Building within higher education. We have departments of terrorism which tend to focus on islamic extremism. A lot of documents are coming out and much less is being produced in terms of the knowledge we have to help experts in the government. A seat change is about to happen and you can feel it in the air , a lot ofwith the fbi people calling for more resources and attention. I think that is very much what has happened in other countries after the terrorist attacks in 2011 in norway. Theive investments and norwegian government has the Largest Research center studying the far right and White Supremacists and white supremacist extremism. Host how did it get started . Guest this is where you start to understand how new this is. This is an effort started by folks in the u. K. It was a u. K. Based group to pull together scholars and connect them with the public. The website has several dozen senior scholars and policy fellows and more jr. Scholars ,ho write insight blogs opeds, they are posted with Media Partners and they try to connect that knowledge with the public to better inform everyone about the far right. They have scholars representing every region of the world. Host for folks who hear the name, the center for the analysis of the radical right, is there a radical left and what is the difference . Guest there is a radical left. There is a whole spectrum here. Left, and there is even a terrorist left, ecoterrorism, animalrights terrorism. When we are talking about the extreme fringes of the political spectrum, i am talking about people who are willing to use violence and even hurt civilians in order to make a political statement or because they believe they are advancing a political agenda. On the far left, those extremists have tended to it is more arson, those kinds of attacks which tend to have fewer casualties. We are seeing a lot more lethality in white supremacist extremism than any other form of extremism in the u. S. And that has been important for region that has been important regionwide. Host cynthia milleridriss taking your calls. For central time zones, 202 7488000. Or mountain or pursue for pacific time zones, 202 7488001. Caller good morning. Argument refute her that White Supremacy is the problem in the United States. I would refer someone i would refer people to look at Heather Mcdonnell book, diversity delusion. The numbers just dont add up. Trying to hide from you, she talks about the extreme left as being animalrights activists. She leaves out black lives matter and antifa and purposely leaves out that the dayton, ohio shooter was documented as a far leftist. This is not what they want you to see, the truth. If you look at what miss mcdonnell said, she was on the news the other day. Blacks for example represent 50 on actual hate crimes and you have to look at that as a ratio. To put in perspective, look at world war ii. The coast guard lost more people per capita than any other branch of the military. If you look at the ratio of numbers of people in the United States, you look at the number of people by race and ethnicity and you see who is actually committing more crimes against the citizenry. Host lets give the professor a chance to respond. Guest i think the data speaks for itself on the lethality question. That has been documented in testimonies to congress and the inference and the Antidefamation League has presented information on this as well. The most lethal form of extremist terrorism violent terrorist violence in the u. S. And that is why we need more attention to this particular form of terrorism from the federal government. Host can you explain this replacement theory a little bit more and how it has evolved from a superiority theory into a fear of replacement . Guest replacement theory has been around for a long time. In the u. S. It usually has historically been called White Genocide by the extreme right. Thed lane, a neonazi in 1980s was talking about White Genocide and these kinds of fears of change through immigration and demographic replacement. A french scholar coined the phrase the great replacement and that caught on with many very extremists whoht are concerned about this idea that there is a demographic change coming, that whites will be the minority in europe and the u. S. In the u. S. , we know that to be true in the next couple of decades and this gets framed as an existential threat. Youll even hear people say things like this is what happened to the native americans. They use the native americans as a cautionary tale saying i have heard people say things like white americans lined up on deepvations, this real seated fear of an existential threat from this kind of change. That is called the great replacement. It is that is a shinning of demographic change as a threat to an entire group of people. Host how do they get to concern about that and fear of that, to wanting to accelerate some sort of final showdown . Guest there is this third part of this set of beliefs which is called acceleration, the belief is on the extreme fringe, this is the extreme fringe but echoes of this show up in mainstream rhetoric. The extreme fringe believes that the inevitable result, the way to get change and restore a white civilization is a new world order at the end of an apocalyptic race war and the best and fastest way to get there is to increase polarization through violence. This is what makes them believe they are engaging in heroic action and you will hear words like going in, going to save my people, i cannot sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Host where there echoes of this in what we saw in isis . Trying to accelerate some kind of final showdown . Guest very much so. We call that reciprocal attic lies a. Sometimes isis attacks are celebrated by far right extremists across the world as part of the same process. In that sense, the dayton attack , some motivation is coming out, the misogyny is him and other things, i am not commenting on it because it is still very much in flux, exactly what those motivations were. Was the dayton attack celebrated by far right extremists because it contributes to the same end goal which is acceleration toward a new world order. Host marble town, georgia, jerome is next. Caller good morning. I am an individual that has atnd myself if you look the first part that was ratified regulated well militia is across the nation. We have a National Guard that to stope prepared outside influences. I have carried a knife or a gun since i was 15 years old. I have been blessed throughout life but host in this segment we are talking about White Supremacy in the u. S. Are you concerned about militias being thrown into that category . Caller i am a black male. 69 years old. Detroit,o carry michigan is where i am from and they talk about chicago. I lived in dearborn, michigan and the suburbs and i always concern myself of being accosted by white officers, especially. I am 69 years old. Host that is jerome out of georgia. Katie is next out of virginia. Good morning. Caller good morning. Host go ahead. Petitioning i think all lives matter. I think there should be a psychiatry evaluation for anyone who wants a legal pathway to gun ownership. In podunkgangs here ,irginia and Central Virginia crips, bloods, the arian race, the ku klux klan and if these guys get a gun, it will be a massacre. Host what do you take from those calls . Guest a couple Different Things. About comparing this to gangs, i think one of the things i would emphasize is that we see a lot of similarities, both across isis and gang engagement of young right ind the far terms of a desire to belong and being a part of something bigger and better for the bigger and better than themselves and that the changes going to help them enact a sense of purpose. Also resist and express their anger and resentment at things that are not going right in their lives. I think you are right that when you layer that on to gun laws, you have a recipe for potential disaster, especially when you are talking about young people who may be more impulsive. Host we talked about organization of White Supremacy groups. Is . You explain what 8chan guest it is a number of wet web platforms that are not monitored essentially or allow unmonitored and any kind of comments to be posted. 8chan has been one of the sites that has been a place where a lot of hateful things get posted , and in many ways it kind of performance a kind of ferments. It kind of host is that the only place . Guest there were many others. Some of the others one of the things about monitoring these and banning the sites is that they sometimes people get kicked off of these mainstream platforms like twitter and they that is notomething a legitimate platform or is much worse in terms of its population. Host how do they organize enough to know we are all going to migrate over here now because this got shut down . Guest this happens virally through the kind of Communications Online but also through messaging and encrypted messaging platforms. There are lots of ways. We saw with the riots in germany, people could fill the streets and a couple of hours, mostly motivated or mobilized over things like whatsapp. Host our next caller is out of pittsburgh, pennsylvania. Caller good morning. Two questions. Let me ask you this. Kids shoved ack retarded kid in feces and urine, was that racist . When six black kids beat a white boy on a bus, was that racism . Ferguson, when he picked on a cop and got killed, was that racism . Was obama inviting black lives matter to the white house, the people that shot at and killed the cops, was that racism . Certainly there are racially motivated crimes from all groups. What we are talking about here is larger scale mobilized far right extremism enacted through terrorist activities. These are different kinds of conversations. Obviously Everyone Wants crime in general to be reduced that this is not a question about crime. We are talking about terrorism. Host is this mainly a u. S. Problem . Guest absolutely not. White nationalism tends to suggest that this is a National Issue or that this is really about the american nation but in fact, things are very inc. Interconnected. It is a global movement. They are inspired by each other, they are sending each other manifestoes they are communicating and listening to each others music and buying each others brandname clothing which has messages about white supremacist ideology in it. Interwoveny much across eastern and western europe and australia and new zealand. Host how much are the governments of europe and the United States and justi and new zealand, how much do they Work Together on these issues . Guest there is some conversation happening. I think governments in europe are doing a much better job at communicating with each other. There are very few scholars for example who work across europe on the issue of the far right but places like the center for rightwing extremism which now has dozens of scholars from several different countries, becomes a place where governments can access resources. Host why was that attack in particular such a flashpoint for this movement . Guest it was significant for a number of different ways. The fast majority of people who were killed were children, young people and young children. He killed them because they were liberal. He believed he was getting rid of the next generation of people who were going to bring about multicultural norway by our etiquette in a young generation of future political leaders. That horrified the whole world. The idea that that would be a politically motivated attack. It was an incredibly large scale. A 1500 page manifesto that heavily referenced these kinds of theories around a great replacement and what is called this idea that europe will turn into a region with islamic rule. See was where we sorted to some of this global interconnectedness coupled with extreme violence. Host several of the attacks in the United States have referenced that 1500 page manifesto. Guest the christchurch shooter also. We are seeing that global interconnectedness. Host oak hill, West Virginia. Joyce, good morning. Caller good morning. White supremacy has been in the United States for a long time. When the United States cavalry took the land from the native americans and put them on reservations. When the slaveowners sent their men to africa and kidnapped my ancestors and brought them here. Jim crow era. The civil rights movement. Your serial killers. Your mass shooters. White supremacy has been around a long time and maybe even back in the bible times. I think you are right. As a country in many ways, right off the bat with the genocide of it was foundeds, on white supremacist been principles. Talking about White Supremacy and its roots in the u. S. , what we are seeing right now is more the modern set of white supremacist extremism dating back to the postvietnam era when we saw this coupling of White Supremacy itself which had a much longer legacy, with this organized armed militia and antigovernment rhetoric that kind of created Mass Violence coupled with White Supremacy. Host john in florida, good morning. States, it isited natural to assert that unit states is weitzer premises because 60 of the population is white. They also have the greatest social experiment in the history of the world. The supposed civil war experiment was that massproduced modern weapons, repeating arms in the hands of a whole population made it the most lethal population on earth and the civil war never really was resolved. Got to gong force away with their guns and became outlaws in the west. The six shooter was designed by colt for a single slaveowner to be able to control many. This is been going a long time. The guns have been around forever. What is different now is young kids it is just like the jihadis. They have old guys on the internet trying to lure young guys. These old guys dont have the guts to start a war. They need these young guys. They recruit them, young disaffected men. Had these medications. They are all part of a thing. You have modern realistic media. It is almost a combat simulator. You look at the Virginia Tech shooter. , 49 people,eople killed 32 with two concealed pistols. The magazines are a thing. Host you bring up a lot of issues. Guest that was a very rich set of Different Things going on. Both john and joyce the previous caller really emphasize an important point which has to deal with a long history of the u. S. Theink johns point about complex nature of trying to disentangle what causes a person to move into violent action and the truth is, with all the knowledge we have, no one really knows what motivates one individual to become violent compared to another. We understand what moves them into those pathways and the gateways to extremism and we understand how social media works and the role of things like gun access, but also a sense of inclusion and disenfranchisement. A lack of belonging or connection. We understand how those things make people vulnerable but we need much more research and knowledge on what clicks the switch to make one person move into violent action compared to another. John made the connection when it came to jihadi terrorism on the recruitment side that it is old guys trying to recruit young guys to do it. Is there that kind of recruitment happening on the internet for White Supremacy . Guest there definitely is recruitment happening on the internet. In this case, i dont know how much older they are. What you are having here is white supremacist white supremacist extremism in the far right extremist fringes in general on the antigovernment toe having figured out how they are far ahead on tech for us compared to scholars and policymakers and they also learned how to weaponize Youth Culture in the in a way that we have not quite figured out how to address. They know how to draw people in with humor, with music, with gun culture and style and mixed martial arts. All of those things i think john is right, there is definitely recruitment but in this case it is not necessarily older versus younger but it is understanding Youth Culture and drawing them in. Host as we try to get a grasp on how big this movement is, some numbers for our viewers from the southern poverty law center. Listing of hate groups in the u. S. From 2018. Different White Nationalist groups in the united 63tes, 112 neonazi groups, racist skinhead groups, 51 ku klux klan groups, 36 io confederate groups. Neoconfederate groups. That was a 50 increase year in White Nationalist groups. At a recent Senate Oversight hearing, the fbi director talked about the number of domestic terror arrests that have happened just in 2019 so far. Here is a bit of what he had to say. [video clip] what we have here is a statement on this unclassified joint Intelligence Report that ween the years of 2016 2000 and 2016, White Supremacists were responsible for more homicides than any other extremism movement. I see the distinction you are making, homegrown versus domestic. Can you quantify either one of them for us . In terms of number of arrests, through the Third Quarter of this fiscal year, we have had about give or take 100 arrests in the internet on the International Terrorism side which includes homegrown. We have also had just about the same number, dont quite dont quote me to the exact digit on the domestic terrorism side and i will say that a majority of the domestic terrorism cases that we have investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence but it includes other things as well. Host cynthia milleridriss, your thoughts on his comments . Guest what is important to understand here is how much we have underestimated until recently, the portion of domestic extremism and terrorist violence him that is violence that is perpetrated by white and that typeoups of testimony is showing that and that type of testimony is showing that clearly. I really think there has been a seat change in how the government is responding to this in the u. S. And abroad. Host cynthia milleridriss, professor at American University, a senior fellow at the center for analysis of the radical right. You can find that group on the internet at radicalrightanalysis. Com. We are having this conversation for about the next halfhour. Phone lines split up regionally. In the eastern or central time zones, 202 7488000. In the mountain or pacific time zones, 202 7488001. We are having this conversation about White Supremacy in the u. S. Almost two years to the day of the neonazi march in darla saville. Taking your phone calls. Sandy is next in youngstown, ohio. She is citing a study from the u. K. , is that it . Guest no. I am part of a group of scholars in the u. K. At a center there, so i was talking about that center but not citing a specific study but i am happy to answer questions. Caller a group of scholars that go out and talk to people . Do you go and ask somebody if they are a white supremacist . You said you dont know how many there are and that would probably be be probably be because there arent any. Host how would you respond to that . Guest those scholars are all people who do Empirical Research with a wide variety and different ways online. In germanyominantly and increasingly in the u. S. And i interview young people in and around far right scenes and conduct interviews and talk to them about their beliefs. It is incredibly informative and i think the scholars at that center, we have historians, psychologists, people who work from all different kinds of disciplines coming from different perspectives and countries talking about the far right. Host how do you get them to talk to you . Guest i work through schools and i go into schools where i know there is a high population of young people who are a part of this. That is easier in germany because there are some geographic focus and you also have vocational schools where certain occupations have higher participation from the far right , a height a higher risk i should say, and then i have found that they are will he will they are really willing to talk. These are young people who get involved are all almost across the board who get involved from a very young age, 12 to 15 and a lot of them are formerly engaged when they talk to me and they got caught up in something before they really had a full understanding of what alternatives were. Host why are they willing to talk . Guest that is a good question. Everybody loves to talk about themselves. They were interested in talking to an american in some cases but they have been really open. Young peoples on in and around far regroups far right groups. Fromadjusted in knowing young people who were drawn to it you were not drawn to it, how they resisted it. How you become less vulnerable. Of those youngne people that sticks out to you . Guest there are a lot of them that stick out. Hearld say often what i our young people who say things like i had one in my first book tell me he believed in everything that the neonazis believed he was too lazy to be a neonazi, that was the quote. It meant he was not going to be out and politically engaged, he was not interested in violence that he was supportive. Trying to understand what motivates one person who holds these beliefs to become violent versus another person who doesnt is an important thing we need reap we need more research on. Host that first book, blood and culture, youth and rightwing extremism and a sense of belonging. It came out in 2009. Our next caller is in florida. Caller good morning. Guest good morning. Caller since President Trump has acknowledged he is a white,list, his skin is would you consider him to be a White Nationalist . That what isk important to understand, so President Trump did use language saying he is proud to be a nationalist. He was contrasting that with language of what is called the globalist. That raised a lot of feathers both among far right scholars and globally because sometimes the term globalist is used in far right conspiracy theories to refer to jews. There was a concern that that was an antisemitic comment. I dont think it was meant that way. , ahink a lot of the rhetoric lot of the rhetoric that you hear from not just President Trump. I want to be clear, there were a lot of mainstream politicians doing it. The rhetoric that is used to reinforce a sense of replacement , language around invasion, talking about immigration and dehumanizing language about other people from mexico and telling congresswomen to go back, that language has not helped and it legitimizes a lot of white supremacist ideology and we have to think about how mainstream political rhetoric can legitimize and support fringe extremist ideologies that these young people are exposed to. Host denver, colorado. Bruce, good morning. Caller good morning. Host you basically want to want . Caller i was basically going to say that like a lady said a couple calls ago, this has been the culture of the knitted states since whites came over from europe. All of a sudden they think this is a Promised Land and they are upset people were here before them and their ancestors brought our ancestors over here and they want to go home. That is ridiculous. First of all they need to start getting a bit more education because many years ago when the first roots came out, i was amazed at how many white kids, even the ones who thought they were liberal said that their parents were always telling them that slavery was a good thing and all this other crazy stuff. I always said that if you are white and think slavery is good, go sell your go sell yourself into slavery and tell me how good it was. It is really a ridiculous thing. I think people are responsible for their own actions. I did not vote for President Trump but just because he says things does not mean you go out and do stupid stuff. I dont think he is responsible for what some of these idiots are doing out there but when i hear whites trying to make it sound like all these black people are doing this nasty stuff and we are these innocent victims, you probably need to check yourself and pick up a history book. That is all i had to say about it. Was hopinge i someone would bring up education. I am a professor of education and so a lot of what i think about, i work in schools and i think about what kinds of education is needed, what kind of intervention might help. I absolutely agree that only longterm solutions the only longterm solution is education and we need to educate Young Americans about the history of educationbut also in an education that views demographic change as an asset and not a threat. Host jane in washington, good morning. Caller i have a couple comments. The dayton shooter was motivated by leftwing ideology and antifa. What is her group doing to address that . The second concern i have is i am seeing that people express concern about demographic change. I personally dont care what people look like but i do care what culture they assimilate into the United States. Her comment on the concept that people may not be concerned about what people look like but they may be concerned about nonassimilation into the culture that currently exists. Guest thank you for that question. Understandshooter, i because i spent a lot more time studying the el paso shooting in the far right, but the daytons shooter the dayton shooters motivations, the latest i read, were all over the place and there has not been a clear answer. They did point out some of the misogynistic history and there are some other postings but really nothing really clear in terms of official record. There is a lot circulating and i am reluctant to comment on something that has not been made clear yet. On the demographic change, a lot of people feel the way you feel. That is part of the conversation that we have to have is americans have as americans, how are we going to live together and coexist in a culture moving forward. Those of the conversations we need because demographic change is happening and if we dont have the conversation, what happens to young people is they are vulnerable to rhetoric online that can lead them down a much more extreme path and lead to violence. Host on this program yesterday, one caller says he tries to read as many of these manifestoes of shooters as possible to try to understand why someone would do such a thing. How do you think the news media should treat these manifestoes . Guest there are some clear lessons for journalists and scholars as well. One thing that is important is to not to share the full manifesto, and that goes there was a discussion on twitter this morning about somebody who tweeted out a white supremacist flyer that showed up on her campus, but it has the url and it that was leading people so somebody else said would you mind just scratching that out before you tweet that because you dont want to inadvertently share the information. It becomes marketing. A marketing technique or a way of getting too much oxygen and this is always a balance for journalists and scholars. What does it mean to give too much oxygen and help market and spread the propaganda and i think everyone has to think carefully about having that balance. Host professor cynthia milleridriss with us for about 15 more minutes, taking your calls. Our next caller is from alabama. Caller first i would like to say that i applaud you for coming on and doing this. It is very important in america right now. Thank you john for cspan. It is very important. This is serious. They extorted some type of to study this White Supremacism in america because it became very public. The southern policy Poverty Center that until that when president that when obama became president , membership spiked a very high. [indiscernible] black people are not stupid. The woman called in from youngstown saying there are no White Supremacists. Yes there is. Stop it right now. When you tell people to go back , no way came from he could not have been no way he could not have been an american citizen. [indiscernible] those are white supremacist words and code they are using. Guest i have to agree. That rhetoric legitimizes white supremacist ideology. I think you are right about that. We have to call political leaders in the u. S. And abroad, at the state level, local leaders, to account for that kind of rhetoric, as well as journalists who do it. We have folks in the media who are using that language that helps legitimize these extreme ideologies that young people are holding. Fbiink your point about the needing bigger capacity is well taken and i do see significant chatter about that this week. Whether that will lead to real change is a question we have to answer over the coming weeks. Host what do you think the lessons are from charlottesville . Guest on the one hand we have not been paying attention enough. That many people, both ordinary people and some of our callers here and citizens across the country saw this coming and understood it to be coming. Reviewer of one of my book said you are being alarmist and a lot of folks were told they were being alarmist about this and that is very frustrating right now, feeling like there was a certain inevitability to the way this has rolled out. I think we also have more knowledge now and we are starting to see a commitment. Tookhorrifically sorry it the christchurch and el paso and the loss of so many innocent lives to really bring this to light and i hope we dont have another episode like that but i fear that we will. Host our next caller in florida. Good morning. Caller good morning and thanks for cspan. I have about three things to say. First off, all this right here we are hearing is excuses. We know that it is White Supremacists trying to do what they do. At the end of the day, it comes down to what are we serious about . I have been listening to cspan is, theynd the deal find all these excuses but 99 whitese Mass Shootings is males. What if this was a muslim, a black, or someone else other than a white male . What would congress be doing . Another another thing is, we make excuses about Mental Health. If it was a muslim, it would not have been Mental Health, if it was someone who was black, it would not be Mental Health. I did 28 years in the military. I remember back in 904i had a commander who used to give his kids, small kids, ritalin. To try ands to want find out where all this socalled Mental Health came from. No one is looking back on these people who are privileged because they cant control their kids and they give them this mind altering drug when they were young and now the same kids are in their 20s and 30s doing all this shooting. Investigatedmeone the cause of giving your child ritalin when they are a child and their brain is developing, what is happening now . Guest i think kenneth, one of the things you are pointing out, first of all i think it is clear that there would have been very different reactions to not just the most recent attacks but some of the other attacks we have seen if these had been perpetrated by someone pledging allegiance to isis or islamic extremism or had been a muslim or someone who was not white. I think that this is finally coming to light. These conversations this week are really different than the conversations that have happened before. Host why do you feel that way . Guest i think we reached a Tipping Point it really sorted to change for me when i noticed after christchurch, seeing that happen and how that was globally interconnected, the Live Streaming over facebook, that was a turning point for a lot of people to understand that we have reached a different moment in white supremacist not as a and we have society or government been paying much attention. I think people felt that way after charlottesville. This was a wakeup call. A thing that people of color have known for a long time in this country, about the existence of White Supremacy but seeing that, seeing young people marching across campus with tiki torches and chanting you will not replace us was a bit of a turning point in the attention but it did not really change the Resources Available to Law Enforcement or monitoring agencies and i think that is what we are going to see change now. Host you will not replace us, coming from the replacement there you were talking about early earlier. Guest absolutely. Host our next caller, good morning. Caller good morning. Say that this type of behavior with this White Supremacy is inherent in america and probably the world. You a quickve example of how these people are misunderstood and misguided. , he saidr liam neeson that if something happened to a lady friend of his, some type of crime, he said that a black person committed it and he said he certain Walking Around with a gun in certain areas looking to get in a fight or do something to him so that he could kill him. Then he said he did not end up killing anyone. Then he thought about it and he felt that was an apology. That is the white privilege. Just because i did not kill anyone, i am sorry, but no, just the fact that you thought you could walk around with the gun and kill someone and then you knew that you were going to incite it but you could say i am white, i am a star. It was bothering me. Its their fault. And they would more than likely get away with it. That is the inherent thought of these people. I can do this and get away with it. And they have been. That is a sickness and that is not being dealt with. The thought that you could do Something Like that and get away with it because you know the rest of america and the world well, yeah host we got your point. We got your point. Guest a lot of people have gotten away with it and i think the monitoring, Law Enforcement has been even when wellintentioned has not had the resources or mandate to direct toward this and i really do think we are going to see i hope change is coming because we are seeing more conversations around those issues that i have seen. Host john on twitter wants to know who is behind that event in charlottesville. Guest it was called unite the right because it was intended to. Ring together a whole group these groups self organized and 70 want to make a showing of a larger showing than anyone of these individual groups. It was called unite the right as a way to bring them together. Host new explained one of those chants, what is the blood and soil chant about . Guest blood and soil till blood and soil has a long history. Of nazi history connections and also is just premises,al, weitzer the idea of white blood, pureblood and soil is this idea of a secret space. This idea of homeland, of territory. They are about a connection between territory belonging to a white race, that connection between blood and soil. Host time for a few more calls. Evelyn in texas, good morning. Caller good morning. I just wanted to say thank you to miss cynthia for coming on because this is a really important issue. We have friends and white friends that are losing their young men, not only to the Opioid Epidemic but because they are committing suicide from joining these White Supremacy groups, whether it is skinheads or all the other groups. It is so sad. My husband goes to the funerals. Count more than 10 funerals in the last five years, but it is sad because these young white males are being cowards,ed by these these leaders, these White Supremacy leaders and the biggest one, a lot of people are saying around here, that donald trump is the one that is causing is, problem and my question if he is going to go around hate fillede hisence, why is it that followers like Stephen Miller and Kellyanne Conway who were also fanning the flames, why cant they be investigated or arrested for abetting these hate filled crimes . Guest i think you are touching around freeue speech which has to do with it overlaps with these questions about what constitutes free speech and what constitutes incitement. Whether we are talking about the president or anybody else, these questions are part of the reason why we have not really had a , itstic terrorism statute has to do with american concerns about privacy and overreach of the federal government into free speech protections. One of the things we have to disentangle in the coming years and months is what does it mean and there are ways to investigate and interrogate that we just dont have the domestic side because of those civil rights and privacy concerns. Those are concerns to watch. Host indiana, rodney, good morning. Caller thanks for taking my call. I have been sitting here listening to everybody. Old. White, i am 65 years i have been around the United States, i have never been her out of the country. I am pretty judgmental and i dont understand why everybody now is labeled a white supremacist. If you are white, i guess you are now acer premises. Lord have mercy. What has this country come to are you guys and you responsible for this, labeling people for being white. Host i will give you a chance to respond. Guest i want to be clear, we are talking about white supremacist extremism which is an ideology that leads to violence against groups of people, that has led to the deaths of hundreds of people. It think i would say dont think i would ever say all white people are White Supremacists. We are talking about a fringe group. That White Supremacy itself has underpinned a lot of things and is reinforced by it factors into the ideology but the ideology i am talking about of white supremacist extremism is a fringe group that causes a lot of violence and harm and we have to look at some of the ideologies that would lead a fringe extremist down that path toward violence. Host can you talk a little bit more about the work of the center and what you are working on coming up in the wake of what we are talking about . We the center works have conferences and a lot of publications and opeds with Media Partners around the world trying to get information out and advise. We do a lot of media work. I think part of the mission is to connect scholarship with the public and the media. It is something that scholars are not always very good at, talking to the media and trying to get our work out there and inform the public. Book, iting to a new is called hate in the homeland. It is about the movement of the far right in the u. S. It is not just about how people are radicalized but where they are radicalized. Host when are you looking to release that book . Guest fall 2020. Radicalrightanalysis. Com is the website. Cynthia milleridriss fellow. Appreciate your time this morning. Next, our podcast we continues. We will be joined by fox news digital politics editor Chris Stirewalt, cohost of Perino Stirewalt ill tell you what. We will be right back. This weekend on book tv, saturday at 5 55 eastern, Warren Farrell discusses the boy crisis why are boys are struggling and what we can do about it. Success makes them feel like they are liked, have friends. It prevents them from going into depression. When boys dont have success they tend to go down a slippery slope that can move to depression, anger, withdrawal, alienation and Mass Shootings. At 8 00 eastern, disability rights activist who contracted polio as a baby talks about growing up with the disability. Women,other told the already talking at 16 months and walking on my own and i was never sick and never a fever until that fateful night when alitis invaded our happy home and stole me from my family. Sunday at 9 00 p. M. Eastern on afterwards, former virginia democratic governor Carrie Mcauliffe talks about his book beyond charlottesville taking a stand against white nationalism. Wow, the president can say the stuff. I can to. The that is why they felt countable coming to charlottesville. If he can say publicly, so can i. People used to wear hoods and do this at night. They dont think they have to wear hoods anymore. In charlottesville they came out. This was their big coming up party and they got hurt badly in charlottesville. Watch book tv every weekend on cspan2. Washington journal continues. Host it is podcast week on washington journal. On monday of this week we were joined by larry oconnor, host of examining politics podcast. Tuesday it was rachel yesterday, markley on Goldberg Mark leon goldberg. Tomorrow it is jennifer briney. This morning we are joined by Perino Stirewalt, fox news channels. One half of perino and stirewalt ill tell you what. For someone who might not be into podcasting, how do you describe your podcast . Are theodcasts magazines of the digital era. It is a different format. We take a very different approach. I work for a 24 hour news channel. We are pumping it out around the clock. We look at our podcast as an opportunity to catch up for the week and talk about what is going on. We do it every wednesday. It started out of necessity. They needed somebody to do something for labor day a couple of years ago. Dan and i are friends and we started doing it. Like a lot of new media, when you are doing it the best thing is you dont think anybody is listening and dont worry about it. We spent the first year not paying attention to if anyone was listening and use it as an opportunity for friends to catch up. Imagine if your closest friend, you had the opportunity. It was scheduled into your book once a week. We catch up for an hour. It turned into something that we were really amazed after a while how big a Listener Community was, how popular it was, how successful it was. It was a totally unscripted entity. We could not be happier about it. Host what do you know about your audience . Guest i know they are thoughtful. They are finding. They are engaged. Trivia, i jokes and think because it is in your head because a podcast is in your head you feel a sense of connection. You know the experience and i know the experience of when youre on tv people feel like they know you. Traveltell you, when i in promotion of my book or giving speeches or going out around the country the degree of connection i have with people who are podcast listeners is remarkable. Its an intimate relationship. The book is every man a king. You can see my speech about it on cspan. Org. Alt andpe in stirew you will find disappearances. In terms of downloads, do you know how many that is . Guest apple makes it tricky. Apple is sneaky and thats why you have to get a lot of reviews and people have to go star it and review it to apple for apple to percolated. I think we are sort of like the New York Times bestseller list. There has to be some sleightofhand involved in how they do it so people dont game the system. We have pretty consistently been a top political podcast for the past three years. Host do you see your job is to make money for the podcast and make it selfsustaining . Is it to drive eyeballs to the fox news content behind it . Guest my job is to catch up with dana perino and have a good time. Fortunately our employers have never interfered with what we are doing. It has just been what it is. The same way i read a daily newsletter. You just make it. A favoriteucts podcast of mine is Malcolm Gladwells revisionist history. It is deeply researched, deeply reported. It is all gladwellian from top to bottom. Then there was the moment that happens this week i was listening to it and he included a conversation with at ts chief marketing officer. It is hard to read and add in a podcast. Goldbergsjonah talks about sleep number beds you can see it is awkward to make that part of the plug. Unlike a commercial on tv. To have to make it part of it, to have gladwell have to do an interview heres a journalist doing an interview with a guy talking by how great at ts phones are, it just feels awkward. We dont have to do that. Nor do we have to say tonight at 7 00 you can see an amazing interview with elmo from sesame street. Thats a big part of what listeners want. If not authenticity, at least verisimilitude. Host tonight an interview with Chris Stirewalt about his podcast. You can join the conversation. Republicans, 202 7488001. Democrats, 202 7488000. Independents, 202 7488002. You mentioned the halftime report, your newsletter. How do you think President Trump did in his trips to dayton and el paso . Guest he has figured out a way to handle these different than his predecessors. The previous template was there is a tragic incident and then you wait and go to the Memorial Service and make remarks at the Memorial Service. That is not going to work for trump, especially in incidents like these were hes on welcomed by many, where it is contentious, where it is angry. That is not going to work. He figured out a different way to do it. Hes done it a few times now. You get in early. You go soon. You meet behind closed doors. You dont do big Public Events and then you get out. The president can say i went, i consoled, but i did not do some events. You think back to barack obama speaking for the Gabby Gifford shooting in arizona. We think about george w. Bush in new orleans having to go to jackson square. Those are not moments that trump will be able to land. He figured out something that works for him. Host President Trump went out he is also tweeting. He had comments for some of his critics. Should he not have been tweeting yesterday . Host i dont care with these people do. They are politicians. He is trying to get reelected. There is an interesting debate that goes on in our politics about trump and his tweets. You republicans will tell it is four dimensional chess. Hes a secret genius. Democrats will say he is other democrats will agree and say hes using tweets to destroy the nation. I tend to fall into the camp that says most of it is probably reactive. He watches beddoe orourke him. Orourke cussing at basically hes heading for the exits and the democratic process. It is over for him. I think he scored 2 in the latest quinnipiac poll. Throwing him a lifeline by engaging back with him and telling him to be quiet. This is what orourke needs. He needs the exposure to make himself not a victim here but having grievance. Bestey attribute, the think you can have is grievance and now orourke has grievance and trump has grievance with o rourke. Host kevin from colorado. Caller i do watch fox primarily, but more as a student. And imt of journalism a Media Consultant by trade. I have a masters in journalism. I am fascinated by how effective fox is. Its a narrowcast caster rather than a broadcaster. My question is about foxs demographics. Know whites i account for 63 of the u. S. In theion, down from 72 census. Your audience is 94 white. Average age is 65, 66. It is national but its a narrow caster. Narrow caster and that you actually reach let less than 1 of the u. S. Population. Guest i have no idea where he got the numbers. I dont know if they are true. News is s cable the audience is whiter and older than the country as a whole because we are going through podcasts are a big part of this. We are going through a transition. I call it the wormhole. American media is passing through this space. If you look at espn struggling to figure out a way to do sports. They are struggling because cord cutting hits younger people at a higher rate than older folks. Baby boomers are less likely to be cord cutters and people who ennials. Ennials or z we have to realize where the viewers are and what is going to happen. I think podcast are part of it. We have a fox nation product trying to connect with younger viewers. It is hard. The cable platform that served us so well for not just us but cspan in our competitors for the past 20 years does not work in the same way and is not going to continue to work in the same way it does so everybody has to be ready. Host he said he had a masters in journalism. What qualifications should someone have to be a journalist today . Guest they should work as a journalist. Journalist professors almost when iregret speak. I have a degree in history. Getting advanced degree in journalism is great if you want to teach journalism. If you want to practice journalism, practice journalism its a vocation but its also a trade. You have to go do it. The most important thing i can tell anybody that wants to be a reporter in a journalists go find somebody who will you money i was paid 250 a week at a college. Write five stories today and check back in a couple of years. Either you will love it and you wont notice you are underpaid for being overworked and you will be underway, or you will be selling insurance summer. Host how did you get the fox news . Its a fox news . How did you get the fox news . Guest i covered the statehouse. I had a really stable career. I have carried the title politics editor since i was 28 years old. I am 42 now. I think im in a rut. I have been a Political Editor for a long time. Host what does the digital politics editor at fox news do . Guest im just a regular politics at her down. I think editor now. I think of the stories. What are the things reporters should be working on. I write the halftime report. I do a podcast. I make regular appearances on the channel. On election night, and i dont say its my favorite part but its one of my favorite parts. Its a long process that takes us there, but when they say fox news canal project that barack obama will win ohio or donald will win pennsylvania, i get to be part of that decision. Thats a really cool thing i get to do and i love it. Host for people waiting for those calls can you explain how you do that . Guest we get them in advance and we wait until the tension is as high as possible no. We actually have i will not get into the weeds but its ok here. Here is the deal. We tried something last year to Great Success called the fox news voter analysis. Fnva. The fnva is different than an exit poll. We were not satisfied with exit polling. No one is satisfied with exit polling. The way they work on election day is you take a big survey, maybe 5000 humans participate. It is bigger and you also used rate ofa pretty high confidence that these folks were actual voters because you were talking at the polling places. Election day is now election month. That makes it hard. You rely more on phone calls to homes and doing that stuff. Partnering with the associated press, university of chicago, we have come up with the brilliant number one. N, nerd i am nerd number two. We can talk now just about who voted, but who did not vote ny. Thingsart one of the americans fun and about our system now i believe it was lee the geddy americans are saluting themselves and are just as responsible for why we have as broken a system as we do as those who are voting. Maybe more so in a way. Knowing why they did not vote in what they want is part of the discussion. I love it. Im so excited to see what we do in 2020. Host jess from nebraska, republican. Good morning. Caller john, let me Say Something to you first if i could. That lady you had on this last nice if would truly be you could bring somebody in to challenge almost every single point that she made because it was all very questionable. Especially when you start using the southern poverty law center. You know and i know that place is a joke. When they use those numbers you might as well just be pulling them out of the sky. I i can talk to chris, graduated from Salem College in West Virginia. I love West Virginia. Media istell you, our gone. Cnn,ched yesterday and immediately when they went to dayton, ohio, they never showed or talked about anything other than el paso because they knew the narrative for dayton was wrong. I truly think it is not the politicians. Our media has turned. You watch. Through the day when this comes back to bite them because they have thrown away their right to be called media. Joke. There is an old you know what politicians like to do with their Political Base . You treat them like mushrooms. Keep them in the dark and cover them with horse manure. A fantastic way to do that, and both parties do that, is that it is the presss fault. Timesh the new york had a headline on monday. Trump denounces racism trump calls for unity and announces racism. Denounces racism. Onedeck, twocolluumn headline. They came up with a construction that was 100 accurate. Guest trump urges unity versus racism. Host guest most of the president of candidates attacked the times. They said Kristen Gillibrand said this is killing people and saying somehow the times was complicit in mass murder. Says hes canceling his subscription because he is disgusted by the complicity in all of this. Here is the deal. Im sorry to be movie quote. Whats the line from usual suspects . Everreatest trick never played was convincing the world he did not exist. We have a system that is profoundly dysfunctional. We have politics that is so stupid as to profane the name of the United States. All of that is true. Yet both parties have figured out the better thing to do was to get them to talk about us. There are plenty of reporters who want to be the story and plenty of folks who will stick their face in the camera and make a story about themselves. There are lots of coverage were people say look at me and my coverage. We are not really the story. The story is what people elected to positions of authority are doing. Host lea, good morning. I would like to speak about the current climate of our politics. I really appreciate your response to the previous caller and sing the press is not the enemy of the people. Thank you for that. The climate is where you cant speak about the issues involved in politics like our infrastructure not being fixed, like our broken health care system, our broken educational system. We dont even talk about those things anymore. We are talking about peoples personal lives, whether they are for or against abortion, legal or illegal immigrant, whether they watch fox or cnn. I think it is petty politics. I tire of it. Its important for all of us to still be involved in our political system. What do you think we can do to bring the system back from where we are debating issues and passing legislation to deal with the issues in the country instead of being mired in racist dogma or worrying about our neighbor being different than us and worshiping different than us . The petty things we are involved in today. Is contributed in part to our petty president. Guest first, repeal the 17th amendment. No i do want to repeal the 17th of them it. The direct election of senators has been a disaster for the country. One of the most important things im coming around on this issue. We the parties choose nominees. Weve had about a 40year experiment with primaries. I think it has failed. We can conclusively say that for all the evils of the smokefilled room, for the problems of state pensions. They were very few primaries in the country. New hampshire was considered so unique because so few places actually held primaries. The norm in most places was he would have county conventions that would choose delegates for state conventions that would gather to choose nominees. The president but also for the governor and the senate and all of that stuff. The state was not involved and elections were not involved. Now we have a primary system that sort of got snapped into place in the postwatergate reform the consequence is we are much dumber. Our politics are profoundly dumber because the only way for you to really win in a primary is to find a way to get to the right or left of the person next to you. The only way to get there. Often. The only way to get there very often. They had more name identification. The jeb bush factor. Have a primary or whatever and i will come in as a megawhale, dump 100 million that marco rubios shorts and become the nominee whether you like it or not. That doesnt work anymore because of social media and because of our atomized media world. You cant do it anymore. I think we have to take a serious look at the primary system. Is that the way we want to do it or Something Better . Host the top two primary system . Guest ranked Choice Voting experimenting within maine could be interesting they are experiment and with having states run primaries and having your secretary of state running the effort of choosing nominees for parties is a mistake. I dont think taxpayers should have to find that and i think the parties should settle their own hash. They are private 80s. I dont care how they pick their nominees. I dont care if the democrats have a potato sack race to determine who the nominee is, just tell me who it is and then have an election. The general election should be administered by the government and administered with taxpayer resources to make sure we have a free and fair process, but i dont care how the parties pick their nominees. Host who do you think the Democratic Party nominee will be . Guest oh that simple . The funniest story of 2019 the Political Press you have to think of as a big amoeba. That has little hairs and is moving around. You and i are both part of it. They are 5000, maybe 10,000 people in it. Sometimes we are all in the same bakery in iowa on the same day wearing hairnets. They are looking at mitt romney admiring the butter cow. Strongs also a groupthink in the space. Yes, i would say, and i have mentioned this many times, the press has a liberal bias in the sense of the people who tend to make up newsrooms in the United States come from places like bethesda, maryland and long island, new york. Just like the Energy Industry has a conservative bias because people come from oklahoma and houston. Yes, there is such a thing is media bias. The biggest bias in the media is for groupthink. For conventional wisdom and received wisdom. The received wisdom inside this amoeba was joe biden cant win. He is too old, too white, to moderate. He is out. Bernie sanders really wanted 2016 and joe biden really won in 2016 and joe biden has not received the telegram. I left every day. Oh, joe biden is 32 . Untouched, unharmed. Every day there was a new narrative that sets up where today is the day that joe biden will be laid low. Joe biden will be crushed by the insurgency inside the Democratic Party. Everyday he ties cream. Host joe biden today will be the iowa state fair, the soapbox. Andt huge ice cream aviator sunglasses opportunity for joe biden. Host cover sedate live on cspan, joe biden and Steve Bullock starting at 145 time 1 45. Kimberly is next on the independent line out of cornell, new york. Caller good morning. I wanted to say i was a republican for 25 years. I have always been a person who my views have been closely aligned in the last few years with the Republican Party in the Republican Party seems further and further away. I dont mean to be offensive but fox media has been relegated as trump tv. I have put your podcast on my playlist. I plan on listening to an episode today. Companyeel as a media you are also responsible for any of the domestic terrorism or any of that . It seems that fox media has been very supportive they are good people on both sides and that type of thing. Guest i dont. I cant speak for my company. I work in the same building. Exactly above our studio 1. You see that you the capital, you watch fox news you can see the same view from one floor down. Later today you will see me do it from this video. Chris wallace and brett bear practice some of the very finest journalism in washington. I am privileged to work with people like them. I am privileged to work with dana perino. I am privileged to work with people in new york who do fantastic news shows. Im also privileged to work with hundreds of producers and reporters who fanned out across this country to put themselves in harms way very often to cover the news. Look, in an answer to a previous caller i said that the 10 tatian the temptation is to let politicians shift the blame to the press. It is really the presss fault. If only they would act the way i wanted it to, everything would get better. If only these people would stop lying and tell the truth then everything would get better and its tempting to believe that. This is messy. We do not have the system we have because it is easy. Authoritarianism is easy. The reason we have a bill of those arebecause invasions of personal individual liberty that are so tempting to every government that the founders said we better enumerate them and write them down because these things are near irresistible for government. We say we like free speech. Yes, we love free speech. We hate free speech. It gets in the way. People say things that are hateful and disgusting and bothersome. People are annoying, all those things. We enshrined in the First Amendment and it is there is because theyre all kinds of things said by the press that are upsetting to the president , upsetting to democrats to whomever. We have to do a better job. I placed most of the responsibility for what is going on in this country today politically with the citizenry that is not keeping up its end of the bargain. Is ourhris stirewalt guest. Ill tell you what is the name of the podcast. Guest you can go to fox news radio or go through apple podcast, stitcher, wherever you go and we will meet you there. Guest do you each have a certain role . Role in have a certain our friendship which is to say michael barone, when he did a political typography of the United States, he breaks the country into different groups. In the upper midwest, stretching had rulethe rockies he following scandinavians. At thee like the woman 2008 convention in st. Paul. I had a terrible cold and i was trying to go take my medicine in the reporters and the press bleachers. Woman, veryce scandinavian woman said no, sir. You are not taking that in their. When i complained that they were people drinking this actually happened. They confiscated the beverages of every person who had smuggled them in. That is dana perino. I call thehat hillbilly firewall of West Virginia. We dont follow the rules very well. We are quick to raft and sometimes intemperate. Dana and i have a very good give and take relationship. Host how often do you talk about jasper perino . Americas dog. S peter, not by a ton but he deftly has the edge on jasper. I am beneath. I am low or the net and that is ok. Guest tom is next. Caller just a republican this time around. I love dogs. I want to push back on the press. I do believe the press is responsible for the attacks on our Police Officers. Michael Michael Brown, brown, Michael Brown. It was all lies in its never stopped. I do blame the press for a lot of the radical stuff, the racial stuff. Did about makes me cry. It is so sad. I do blame the press. Guest we didnt. People at fox news didnt. Malcolm gladwell did a great unpacking of the Michael Brown case in the story in his revisionist history. I think it was last week that was really good. Sorry to be a Malcolm Gladwell ad sales this week but. Host you can promote your own podcast. Guest i have a tshirt on underneath. Reporters make mistakes all the time. That narrative im talking about, that amoeba that forms its point of view, it is hard to change. When you have a wrong idea that that root, the idea ferguson was basically a Police Officer hunting a kid was wrong and proven wrong. You know what else was overlooked . That Police Department was shaking down that community for years. They were an oppressive force in the community that was generating revenue for itself and for the city by abusive conduct towards the community. Big tickets for nothing. The stories tend to be a lot more complicated than we think. We have an opportunity now. There was a time in america for you had three television networks, two newspapers and a couple of Wire Services that basically that is where you got your information. That was the story to be told. We did it in 30 minutes on the evening news. Now it is everywhere. We have to learn to be better consumers. We cant just be passive takers anymore. We have to be intentional consumers that go and ask better questions. This will get harder, not easier. Virginia. Leston, west joyce. Caller i remember you almost every sunday morning on decisionmakers. He wanted to turn West Virginia. He claimed he only wanted two parties but he was actually very republican. He was very much against justice, but as soon as he was elected governor he is now working with them. That was horrible. He ran as a democrat and then switched to republican. I think everything wrong with this country has to do with republicans. Were very when they good republican senators and representatives. They were just fine people but no more. It is everything wrong with this country that can be laid at the feet of the Republican Party. Guest when her trust and i thought maybe i owe to somebody money. I still hadnt settled up a couple of checks. West virginia politics. Joe mansion runs for governor, which he might. He was not to any back end with the pat toomey bill when he came back out on the background checks. Rybody in West Virginia is every politician is terrified. He is icing the kicker. If he goes back and runs for governor, which i would not be surprised if he did. We liked being governor and was good at it. Justice has been a train wreck. Not been aia has profile in great leadership of late. I do want to address this think about not laying all the counts problems at the feet of republicans. Can you imagine if everybody did that with the other party . My side bears all the blame for this. This would invite all of us not to fix the things that are wrong with us. You have to clean up your own side of the street first. Yes, republicans screw stuff up. Democrats screw stuff up. The idea that is in a binary system you can have such a thing if only thety other team was in charge then everything would be better. And invites lazy thinking we have an era of intense negative partisanship. Negative partisanship is the worst kind. I like my side and i think were doing the best. What joyce talked about was the most intense form of negative partisanship that says the other side is evil and must be defeated. If that is your only threshold, you will not hold your own side to a high standard. Host bob, independent. Good morning. Caller i would like to take a little bit of a walk back in history here with you regarding president obama and president bush. You tendowed up to think people dont want somebody to show up at tragic event like that. Yes, you kinda blewover Donald Trumps private meetings Donald Trumps private meetings as that is just the president. A president , and this includes bush. For all his faults and obama for all their fault, when obama showed up at sandy hook and bush at 911, they allow themselves to be crying with the American People at their loss and showed a bit of empathy. Unfortunately your answer is that is just donald trump. I will tell you what. The empathy gene is something the president has to have in the one we have now has none. On thehowing viewers screen some of the scenes from yesterday from the president s visits to dayton and el paso. Guest not a vote for trump 2020 there. Not a trump 2020 vote. Its interesting. We have turned the american presidency into sort of this divine kingship, this magical shamanistic healer, this great father that is supposed to heal the nations wounds. Some president s are exceptional. We have had some exceptional men serve as our president s. Truly marketable world historical figures truly remarkable world historical figures. Lincoln and fdr. When we think about this stuff. The truth here is weve also had a lot of maladies for president. James buchanan was president of the United States. It really actually happened. He was the president. We had good president s and bad president s and boring president s and weird president s. Of local with the loss media in the country is we have seen hollowing out on the local level across the United States is not health and every is an unhealthy fixation of the city and one human being within the city. Its important to the president is. The most powerful man in the world, and he flies in and has the podium. He is a man and he is just one man. The degree to which people either an occult of personality fall at the feet of the president or despise him with the kind of whitehot intensity we heard from the caller in michigan should be a reflection of the fact we are a little out of whack on the presidency in the u. S. Host is it more intense today than it was for the Obama Presidency . Guest we have seen a ramping up. Whether you market to the clinton impeachment or the iraq war, we have seen this intensification that has mirrored the changing media landscape. Here i am blaming the press. As we see the media landscape change the change in focus about what is going on in the clinton and peter was a huge part of that. The 2000 recount. We had this escalating thing that has brought us to trump. The truth is i put a lot of the blame on congress. We have for 40 years i blame cspan love it a little bit. If you watch a congressional hearing now, i would get the cameras out. He will throw me off the roof. I read about this. You want to hearing and you have when congress, what do they do . Ying. Minutes of speechaf you are the most terrible person in the history of the world. Full of deep state collusion, lying person. Do you agree . I will go with no one that. Our congress is for people who are more focused on their own reelections than they are on regarding the power of the legislative branch. We have seen a whittling away of legislative power. The branches are not even supposed to be coequal. They are article one. Congress the house of representatives is supposed to be preeminent. Theress is article one, seat of the center of power. To go to to tax, war or levy tariffs. Members of congress figured out it is harder to raise money and get reelected if you do difficult things. What should we do instead . Devolved that power to the executive branch to become this week need, ridiculous creature congress has become, differing to the courts and the executive branch is the founders never could have imagined. Host this network has been trying to get cameras into the Supreme Court. Guest dont do it. The Supreme Court is one of the last institution that works in the United States. Part of the reason small republican institutions work as they are beyond the prime. They dont have the Constitutional Convention on cspan. Can you imagine wearing woolen clothes inside a Philadelphia Chamber . D airless i that ben franklin did not smell great. To have these guys packed into this room sweltering for secrecy knew if they put the constitution together in public it would not work. We have a house in the senate but the Supreme Court is supposed to act in its own special way. I think having justices preening for cameras will not make this up in court better. Host less than 15 minute left with Chris Stirewalt. Cohost of perino and stirewalt ill tell you what. We are focusing on podcasts this week. Darlene in oregon, a democrat. Caller good morning. I was just listening to chris. I have to say a lot of things he was just saying i totally agree with. The senate is stagnated. I believe Mitch Mcconnell those too much to this president , including his wife as secretary of transportation. Should nott happen for a senator as powerful as Mitch Mcconnell, his wife being the on the president s cabinet. Mitch mcconnell in my opinion the reason forts living. I also want to comment. I agree about the local news. Local news has been broken down. We turned to cnn and fox but they are not truly new stations. They are political commentary stations. Its a misnomer. Occasionally they put the news decides whats Important News to put on. Our local systems have been totally broken down by these three broadcast networks. News what killed local was that newspapers died. The death of newspapers. You have 500 newspapers over your table. The demise of newspapers. I was there when it happened. They were highly overleveraged because they were hugely profitable. They made tons of money. 30 , 35 profit margins. People could get huge loans to buy up newspapers. The internet walked up and said im going to eat you and newspapers said you are adorable, that will never happen. We will be fine forever. Five or six years later, done. We are in the process of replacing that. Social media is a big part of how we as americans are going to replace that. We have not solved the problem yet. It matters more whether or not your county commissioner is a crook then whether your congressman had a very long question for robert mueller. That is more important. It is more important if your governor is an incomplete then nincompoop then if your congressman had the right feelings in an interview about something. We have to figure out a way together to get local news happening again because we need it badly. Host how do you see the 2020 senate and . House races shaping up guest isnt it funny how we do this . We will spend two years we are in the home stretch of a twoyour process where we hypothetically talk about what will happen. For 45 months we will have an election. The democrats nominate elizabeth warren, i dont think the democrats will take the senate. If the democrats nominate joe biden or somebody heres whats happening. We are going through a massive political realignment. Host im assuming it is a key. He. Guest the parties are changing lanes. The democrats are becoming the party of the suburbs and collegeeducated people in the party of more affluent people. Republicans are becoming the party of workingclass white voters. A lot of the fiction is as they are passing each other and is like a nascar race and they are rubbing up against each others bumpers as theyre trying to get around each other. If the democrats nominate somebody who can win in suburban inlas, somebody who can win suburban philadelphia in those places if the election were held today, which you wont be in joe biden will not be at 53 when he gets to election day if he was the nominee. Joe biden with trance donald trump today. He would win 35 states. The democrats would take the senate and expand the majority in the house. The election is not going to happen today. By the time the nominee comes out they will be badly beaten by their fellow democrats. Right now they are really into the part where anything can be center said or done in the name of victory. Is allowed. Republicans have 1 billion it will dump on the head of whomever the democrats nominate. That person is going to be in pretty rough shape no matter what by the time we get to next june. Closely the pretty control of the senate and control of the house that how competitive the race is for the president. Plus one. D host the house . Guest not even for free month. Host e sandwich, massachusetts. Brian, republican. Caller thanks for having me on. Like just about everything you say. When you started putting got governor justice in West Virginia, i thought i would give you a call and tell you i think hes doing a pretty good job out there. We go at West Virginia and love West Virginia. Wheeling. Guest you go to my hometown . Anyept the greyhounds races building roads and people people working in West Virginia. Can you walk back that criticism . I kind of like him. Guest thank you for coming to wheeling, West Virginia. That is where my father taught me math. By had a bet a quinn ella at wheeling downs. Justice, theut jim republicans dont like him, the democrats dont like him. He will not come to charleston to work. By halftting primaried the people. He tried to follow the trump model. He sold his familys coal company. He owns the green briar and sold the coal company to a russian enterprise and then decided he was going to get into politics. As it turns out you need a lot of gogo juice to be governor of a state, even a small state like our 35th state, West Virginia. I do think justice has the gogo juice and does not want to be in charleston every day dealing with the cuny aerie and be cutting ribbons and green boy scouts. He is in a bit of a pickle. Host talking about your podcast, do you end every podcast with trivia . Guest we do. Ewald. Bone wal i think he has a license to kill. He and another producer where the ones that came up with the show and the idea. With week, jason comes up trivia questions and dana perino, to her credit, does not pretend she knows the answers were thought them up. Ald craft truly devilish questions every week. We had lunch with them in my sons said can you have a heart attribute for my dad . You are not going swimming this afternoon. Host what does cspan stand for . Guest i knew this. Tell me. Host cable satellite Public Affairs network. Guest satellite was the missing word. Host it was the first number televised on cspan in march of 1979 . Guest i will take a guess and say to oneill. Host it was al gore. Junior. Alvin r. Gore host who has the most appearances, elected official with the most appearances . Guest john mccain. 4000,harry reid with followed by bill clinton with 3425, an Mitch Mcconnell with 3477. When did cspan2 first week in with proceedings of the senate . Guest you are worse than bonewald. Up thereagan picked phone and called in. I forgot what he wanted to talk about. I think it would be cool president still did that. Host the first color was october 7, 1980. Bob from yankton, south dakota. Guest bob, we appreciate you. Caller can you hear me . Chris john, i have not talked to you in a while. I think its amazing that we can tv andicrophone, get on go out and kill people tell people how they should think and feel. Its amazing. Most people start off with this statement about what they are going to say as i think. Americans are like lost sheep. They run around and pick out who is saying what they want to hear pinko and and vote that way, as opposed to doing their own research. People tell you what theyre going to do and make the decisions on their own. Give me a mic and i can go around the country and tell people what they should think and how they should vote. That is what amazes me the most. They actually pay you guys for that. Thats a job . To get paid to do that kind of stuff. Guest its a living. It was either this or sell hotdogs. Partiesa problem, weak with strong partisanship. Ouble whammy conversation it cut the guts out of our two parties. It took the money away from them. Groups like the nra or planned the super or any of pacs have filled the roles substantially of the parties. As a result of these weak parties we end up with pretty bad politics. The parties used to act as a vetting system. You could not get to the top or make it all the way to run for president or the senate were governor unless you had run the gauntlet inside your party of people who were deeply committed and involved. I am a proponent im an admirer of the twoparty system has done for the United States. I dont thing we understand what the twoparty system is and relies on those two private institutions being strong. Right now we have very weak parties and strong partisanship or people get to go out and say you think that is crazy, wait until you hear what im going to say next. Host term limits . Guest i think i am closer now. I think we have a great system, which is that the public will is theclick constitution can be amended. We have stopped trying. We used to do with some regularity. We have not done it. We finished off the bill of rights in the 1990s. We have not really had for 30 years now a serious effort at amending the constitution was something different. If the probably referendum were being held i would be voting for term limits today. Host charlie, democrat, good morning. Caller can you guys hear me . Question. Nowadays we seem to be having a lot of problems with antiimmigrant rhetoric and stuff going around our country that leads to a lot of problems, specifically from Central America. With the best way to be going about this to be maybe potentially trying to treat the roots of these immigrant problems and perhaps that could happen in congress with antiglobal poverty legislation . For going around and trying to get people to realize the problem is really stemming from helping these countries and less people would be coming to us . Mexico asically gave 1 trillion loan to prop up the peso. To help theigned United States get cheaper goods but also to stabilize mexicos economy. Addressing Central America has got to be part of how the United States we have a global migrant issue. Numeral we have to address that in a variety of ways. Enforcement will never be enough on its own. Host you can find the podcast perino and stirewalt ill tell you what wherever you find your podcasts. We appreciate your time. That will do it for today. We will be back tomorrow morning at 7 00 a. M. Eastern, 4 00 a. M. Pacific. Have a great thursday. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2019] our live Coverage Today here on cspan includes the secretary of state for International Trade in washington, d. C. And we will starting at 11 30 a. M. Eastern. A number of president ial candidates will be at the iowa fair for voters. Our coverage beginning at 1 45 p. M. Eastern. 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Have House Oversight Committee Chair Elijah Cummings went to the National Press club yesterday to respond to the president s criticism of baltimore and the president s comments on last weekends mass shooting and he took questions about his Committee Investigation trump administration. Its one hour and 15 minutes. [gavels] good afternoon, everybody. Im sure the gavel look you up, right . Welcome to the National Press club. The worlds leading professional organization for journalist. , news editorff lou with Al Jazeera Media Network , where my colleague has been unjustly imprisoned in egypt. We have call for his Immediate Release along with other detained journalists. I am grateful you all came today. I am particularly grateful to my